From rbarber at yhb.att.ne.jp  Sat Feb  1 00:05:01 2003
From: rbarber at yhb.att.ne.jp (Ron)
Date: Sat Feb  1 00:05:01 2003
Subject: Cut,Copy,Paste menus
In-Reply-To: <200301300420.XAA14231@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA61837F.BD7B%rbarber@yhb.att.ne.jp>

Hi All,

I've worked on this all day and can't find the problem so I bring it to you.
I can't get the  cut,copy,paste menuitems to work via cmd keys in my app. I
made a simple app with just those menus to make sure I was able to make some
app work and that worked okay, but my original app is still uncooperative.

Here are my symptoms:
Works when the items are chosen from the menubar with the mouse
Works when the menubar is clicked so that the menu drops down (don't hold
down the mousekey) and then the cmd key combo is chosen.
It does not work when the cmd key combo is chosen. In fact, apparently, the
menupick message is not sent. I have a 'beep' command in the menupick
message before the switch/case starts and another for the particular case
and neither beeps. However, the menubar flickers at the 'Edit' menu.

This is true for standalone and in UI suspended mode.

I enable/disable these items in the mousedown handler for the menu depending
on whether there is text selected. The menu belongs to the mainstack which
is a palette. Other substacks with textflds set their menubar to this
menubar (it is also called as the default menubar when the mainstack is
opened). 

A 'select all' menuitem in the same menu as cut,copy,paste does not have a
problem activating with the cmd key.

Any suggestions on what the problem might be or how I can look for it?

Thanks
Ron



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sat Feb  1 01:07:00 2003
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat Feb  1 01:07:00 2003
Subject: Cut,Copy,Paste menus
References: <BA61837F.BD7B%rbarber@yhb.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <049701c2c9b7$dd650ae0$6601a8c0@mckinley.dom>

Ron, what platform(s) are you trying this on?

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <rbarber at yhb.att.ne.jp>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 11:01 PM
Subject: Cut,Copy,Paste menus


> Hi All,
>
> I've worked on this all day and can't find the problem so I bring it to
you.
> I can't get the  cut,copy,paste menuitems to work via cmd keys in my app.
I
> made a simple app with just those menus to make sure I was able to make
some
> app work and that worked okay, but my original app is still uncooperative.
>
> Here are my symptoms:
> Works when the items are chosen from the menubar with the mouse
> Works when the menubar is clicked so that the menu drops down (don't hold
> down the mousekey) and then the cmd key combo is chosen.
> It does not work when the cmd key combo is chosen. In fact, apparently,
the
> menupick message is not sent. I have a 'beep' command in the menupick
> message before the switch/case starts and another for the particular case
> and neither beeps. However, the menubar flickers at the 'Edit' menu.
>
> This is true for standalone and in UI suspended mode.
>
> I enable/disable these items in the mousedown handler for the menu
depending
> on whether there is text selected. The menu belongs to the mainstack which
> is a palette. Other substacks with textflds set their menubar to this
> menubar (it is also called as the default menubar when the mainstack is
> opened).
>
> A 'select all' menuitem in the same menu as cut,copy,paste does not have a
> problem activating with the cmd key.
>
> Any suggestions on what the problem might be or how I can look for it?
>
> Thanks
> Ron
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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From rbarber at yhb.att.ne.jp  Sat Feb  1 01:50:01 2003
From: rbarber at yhb.att.ne.jp (Ron)
Date: Sat Feb  1 01:50:01 2003
Subject: Cut,Copy,Paste menus
In-Reply-To: <049701c2c9b7$dd650ae0$6601a8c0@mckinley.dom>
Message-ID: <BA619C31.BD80%rbarber@yhb.att.ne.jp>

Hi Ken
Sorry, I forgot. Mac OS 9.2.1 right now.

Perhaps I'm doing something wrong with the enable/disable routines? A
menuitem will not work if it disabled right? Perhaps I'm sending the cmdkey
to a disabled menu? Maybe I should be asking how one goes about correctly
enabling/disabling various edit menu menuitems depending on the state of the
cursor. Is it in a fld? is there text selected? is the clipboard text? etc.
I've tried to cover these cases correctly, but perhaps I have them called in
the wrong place, the menu's script?

Thanks
Ron


> 
> Ron, what platform(s) are you trying this on?
> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I've worked on this all day and can't find the problem so I bring it to
> you.
>> I can't get the  cut,copy,paste menuitems to work via cmd keys in my app.
> I
>> made a simple app with just those menus to make sure I was able to make
> some
>> app work and that worked okay, but my original app is still uncooperative.
>> 
>> Here are my symptoms:
>> Works when the items are chosen from the menubar with the mouse
>> Works when the menubar is clicked so that the menu drops down (don't hold
>> down the mousekey) and then the cmd key combo is chosen.
>> It does not work when the cmd key combo is chosen. In fact, apparently,
> the
>> menupick message is not sent. I have a 'beep' command in the menupick
>> message before the switch/case starts and another for the particular case
>> and neither beeps. However, the menubar flickers at the 'Edit' menu.
>> 
>> This is true for standalone and in UI suspended mode.
>> 
>> I enable/disable these items in the mousedown handler for the menu
> depending
>> on whether there is text selected. The menu belongs to the mainstack which
>> is a palette. Other substacks with textflds set their menubar to this
>> menubar (it is also called as the default menubar when the mainstack is
>> opened).
>> 
>> A 'select all' menuitem in the same menu as cut,copy,paste does not have a
>> problem activating with the cmd key.
>> 
>> Any suggestions on what the problem might be or how I can look for it?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Ron
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>> 
> 
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From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sat Feb  1 01:56:00 2003
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Sat Feb  1 01:56:00 2003
Subject: [OT] French translation for Save
In-Reply-To: <20030131221639.56360.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030131221639.56360.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p05100300ba611ecab4fe@[10.0.1.3]>

>--- Ludovic Thebault
><ludovic.thebault at laposte.net> wrote:
>>  yves COPPE a ?crit:
>>
>>  > I'm a french speaker.
>>  > It's "Sauver" (or sometimes "Sauvegarder")
>>
>>  or "Enregistrer" which is used for menu item
>>  "Save"
>>  "Enregistrer Sous.." for "Save as.."
>
>"sauver" parait plus international, n'est ce pas?
>


All what my friends (french) said is allright but I think that for a 
button, the best is "Sauver"
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Feb  1 02:35:00 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat Feb  1 02:35:00 2003
Subject: SVG in MC/Rev
Message-ID: <BA60B785.251CC%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

I just added my SVG sample stack ("4W mc2svg") to the Tutorials section of
RevNet's stack collection.

If you don't already have it, you can download RevNet at the Revolution
Embassy:

<http://www.fourthworld.com/rev/>

-- 
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 Fourth World Media Corporation
 Developer of WebMerge 2.2: Publish any database on any site
 ___________________________________________________________
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From rbarber at yhb.att.ne.jp  Sat Feb  1 02:47:01 2003
From: rbarber at yhb.att.ne.jp (Ron)
Date: Sat Feb  1 02:47:01 2003
Subject: Cut,Copy,Paste menus
In-Reply-To: <049701c2c9b7$dd650ae0$6601a8c0@mckinley.dom>
Message-ID: <BA61A994.BD84%rbarber@yhb.att.ne.jp>

Okay, a little progress. Instead of trying to fix my broken stack, I tried
to break the simple stack using scripts from the broken one. It looks like
I'm sending menumessages to a disabled menu and it doesn't respond (duh). So
my question should be:

Where should scripts that control the enabling/disabling of menuitems be
placed? Obviously, the menu's mousedown message is not the place because it
is not activated until I click in the menubar.

All I'm trying to do is provide standard text editor behavior to the stack.
Things including but not exclusively:

cursor in a fld - enable past
selectedtext - enable cut,copy

Thanks
Ron



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  1 03:16:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Sat Feb  1 03:16:01 2003
Subject: Cut,Copy,Paste menus
In-Reply-To: <BA61A994.BD84%rbarber@yhb.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <20030201081209.86453.qmail@web11905.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Ron <rbarber at yhb.att.ne.jp> wrote:
> Okay, a little progress. Instead of trying to fix my
> broken stack, I tried
> to break the simple stack using scripts from the
> broken one. It looks like
> I'm sending menumessages to a disabled menu and it
> doesn't respond (duh). So
> my question should be:
> 
> Where should scripts that control the
> enabling/disabling of menuitems be
> placed? Obviously, the menu's mousedown message is
> not the place because it
> is not activated until I click in the menubar.
> 
> All I'm trying to do is provide standard text editor
> behavior to the stack.
> Things including but not exclusively:
> 
> cursor in a fld - enable past
> selectedtext - enable cut,copy
> 
> Thanks
> Ron
> 

Hi Ron,

You could add openField and selectionChanged handlers
to your mainStack script to this effect.
You'll probably also want to trap the rawKeyDown
message because no selectionChanged is sent when you
use the arrowkeys.
If you also have list fields in your app, you might
want to add checks for that so things don't get messy.

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

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From dleyanna at rtl.org  Sat Feb  1 03:24:00 2003
From: dleyanna at rtl.org (Dave LeYanna)
Date: Sat Feb  1 03:24:00 2003
Subject: OT: FooBar (was Bad Factor)
In-Reply-To: <44E6103B-3568-11D7-BE5B-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
References: <2F03E408-3564-11D7-943F-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030201031257.00a3c6b0@mail.rtl.org>

I feel so sheepish! I just followed and believed! I never dawned on me that 
the relationship between "fubar" and "foobar" could have started in one 
person's head just because they liked the sound! Now that I think about it 
there is nothing fubarish about foobat except the sound.

While your post may not have advanced the science of xTalk very much, it 
sure reminded me to watch out who/what I submit to as an authority. Those 
darn official looking  and sounding web pages! Just because Google gives 
doesn't mean we must accept.

djl

At 03:06 PM 1/31/03 -0700, you wrote:

>On Friday, January 31, 2003, at 02:37 PM, Alex Rice wrote:
>
>>Correct, but it's more interesting than that. The metasyntactic "foo" was 
>>adopted into the "fubar" phase as "foobar". But foo is the real 
>>interesting character of the bunch. The Jargon File has a lengthy and 
>>interesting entymology of foo.
>
>They may be related, but I have never seen these associated.  "foobar" is 
>an arbitrary symbol.  I have never seen it related to fubar.  I expect 
>somebody liked the idea of their being related and associated the two.
>
>I first saw foo and foobar in some lisp code in the 50s.  It seems like I 
>have seen early lisp code that used foo without a related foobar.
>I'm not sure, but I think I have seen it in a logic paper from the 30's or 
>40's, maybe earlier.
>
>My guess is that foobar is not related to fubar.
>
>Dar
>
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From rbarber at yhb.att.ne.jp  Sat Feb  1 03:52:01 2003
From: rbarber at yhb.att.ne.jp (Ron)
Date: Sat Feb  1 03:52:01 2003
Subject: Cut,Copy,Paste menus
In-Reply-To: <20030201081209.86453.qmail@web11905.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BA61B8DE.BD89%rbarber@yhb.att.ne.jp>

Hi Jan
Thanks for the suggestion. I've included the handlers as they were in my
stacks. As you can see, the menuitems only get changed when the menubar is
clicked in. I'll look into locating some of the script in the
selectionchanged message. What do you think?

>> Where should scripts that control the
>> enabling/disabling of menuitems be
>> placed? Obviously, the menu's mousedown message is
>> not the place because it
>> is not activated until I click in the menubar.
>> 
>> All I'm trying to do is provide standard text editor
>> behavior to the stack.
>> Things including but not exclusively:
>> 
>> cursor in a fld - enable past
>> selectedtext - enable cut,copy

> 
> You could add openField and selectionChanged handlers
> to your mainStack script to this effect.
> You'll probably also want to trap the rawKeyDown
> message because no selectionChanged is sent when you
> use the arrowkeys.

This is what I had in my openfield handler:
on openfield
  enable menu 2 --the edit menu
  if the clipboard is "text" then enable menuitem 4 of menu 2 --paste
  else disable menuitem 4 of menu 2
  put word 2 of the selectedfield into thefld
  if therefld is not "" then put fld thefld of the topstack into thetext
  if thetext is not "" then  --check if text is in the fld
    enable menuitem 6 of menu 2 --sel all
    enable menuitem 8 of menu 2 --find
    enable menuitem 8 of menu 1 --export text
    enable menuitem 11 of menu 1 --print text
  end if
  enable menu 4 --format menu
  pass openfield
end openfield

In my menu's mousedown handler I had the following:
-----set up menuitems---------
  put word 2 of the selectedfield into thefld
  if thefld is not "" then  -----The cursor is in a fld--------
    if the clipboard is "text" then enable menuitem 4 of menu 2 --paste
    else disable menuitem 4 of menu 2
    put fld thefld of the topstack into thetext
    put the hold of fld thefld of the topstack into thehold
  end if
  if thetext is not "" then   -------There is some text in the fld-------
    enable menuitem 6 of menu 2 --sel all
    enable menuitem 8 of menu 2 --find
    enable menuitem 8 of menu 1 --export text
    enable menuitem 11 of menu 1 --print text
  else
    disable menuitem 6 of menu 2
    disable menuitem 8 of menu 2
    disable menuitem 8 of menu 1
    disable menuitem 11 of menu 1
  end if
  if thehold <> thetext then
    enable menuitem 6 of menu 1
  else
    disable menuitem 6 of menu 1
  end if

  if the selectedtext is not "" then  -----There is some selected
text--------
    enable menuitem 1 of menu 2 --cut
    enable menuitem 2 of menu 2 --copy
  else
    disable menuitem 1 of menu 2
    disable menuitem 2 of menu 2
  end if



From miscdas at boxfrog.com  Sat Feb  1 05:29:01 2003
From: miscdas at boxfrog.com (miscdas at boxfrog.com)
Date: Sat Feb  1 05:29:01 2003
Subject: Minor Demo Update/Notice
In-Reply-To: <200302010128.h111SixF023949@ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com> 
References: <200302010128.h111SixF023949@ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20030201102454.22961.qmail@www.boxfrog.com>

Howard Bornstein writes: 

>>Just enter the following line in your message box: 
>>
>>  go stack url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/panel.mc"
>  
> 
> Hmm. Did that and got this message: 
> 
> "stack is corrupted, check for ~ backup file" 
> 
> ???
=========
Mr. Bornstein, 

Worked fine for me.
==========
Mr. Hurley, 

This is a very nice offerring. Could you modify the Close button so it is 
more easily found? It is very small and the same color as the player. 

miscdas 


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  1 05:30:00 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Sat Feb  1 05:30:00 2003
Subject: Cut,Copy,Paste menus
In-Reply-To: <BA61B8DE.BD89%rbarber@yhb.att.ne.jp>
Message-ID: <20030201102546.33595.qmail@web11907.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Ron <rbarber at yhb.att.ne.jp> wrote:
> Hi Jan
> Thanks for the suggestion. I've included the
> handlers as they were in my
> stacks. As you can see, the menuitems only get
> changed when the menubar is
> clicked in. I'll look into locating some of the
> script in the
> selectionchanged message. What do you think?
> 
> >> Where should scripts that control the
> >> enabling/disabling of menuitems be
> >> placed? Obviously, the menu's mousedown message
> is
> >> not the place because it
> >> is not activated until I click in the menubar.
> >> 
> >> All I'm trying to do is provide standard text
> editor
> >> behavior to the stack.
> >> Things including but not exclusively:
> >> 
> >> cursor in a fld - enable past
> >> selectedtext - enable cut,copy
> 
> > 
> > You could add openField and selectionChanged
> handlers
> > to your mainStack script to this effect.
> > You'll probably also want to trap the rawKeyDown
> > message because no selectionChanged is sent when
> you
> > use the arrowkeys.
> 
> This is what I had in my openfield handler:
> on openfield
>   enable menu 2 --the edit menu
>   if the clipboard is "text" then enable menuitem 4
> of menu 2 --paste
>   else disable menuitem 4 of menu 2
>   put word 2 of the selectedfield into thefld
>   if therefld is not "" then put fld thefld of the
> topstack into thetext
>   if thetext is not "" then  --check if text is in
> the fld
>     enable menuitem 6 of menu 2 --sel all
>     enable menuitem 8 of menu 2 --find
>     enable menuitem 8 of menu 1 --export text
>     enable menuitem 11 of menu 1 --print text
>   end if
>   enable menu 4 --format menu
>   pass openfield
> end openfield
> 
> [snip]

Hi Ron,

Glad to see you're making progress. Though some of it
could be simplified by using 'the target' and 'the
selection', it is the way to go for you :-)
Under Windows or any of the Un*xes you could have
moved the 'mouseDown' handler into a 'mouseEnter'
handler ; but as menus are a different animal in
MacOS, that message probably wouldn't be sent (though
I can't check that right now).

Jan Schenkel.

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From derek.huby at ntlworld.com  Sat Feb  1 05:30:04 2003
From: derek.huby at ntlworld.com (Derek Huby)
Date: Sat Feb  1 05:30:04 2003
Subject: [OT] - Mac OS X Unix book
In-Reply-To: <200302010507.AAA27307@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA615180.1262%derek.huby@ntlworld.com>

As a Revolution user on OS X - but with no knowledge of Unix - I've often
been intrigued (perplexed?) by some of the very knowledgeable contributions
to this list that relate to strange Unix things like CGI, faceless
applications and so on. It's become disturbingly clear that here's another
world lurking deep in the innards of this machine - and it's a world where
the normal rules don't apply, and where a strange language is spoken :-)

Also, in some obscure way, Revolution can do some useful stuff in this
world...

So, I bought a book. I've just received 'Unix for Mac OS X', a 'Visual
Quickpro Guide' by Matisse Enzer, published by Peachpit press. The contents
look hopeful, and I'm quite optimistic that in 520 pages time I might
actually understand some of the things that the Unix experts are writing
about. Any other Unix-na?ve (or is that Unix-innocent ?) OS X users of
Revolution might consider giving it a look. (I own no shares in the
publishers!)

Have a good weekend,

Derek



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Feb  1 05:46:00 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat Feb  1 05:46:00 2003
Subject: FAQs from this list...
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030130124808.00aad7d0@mail.rtl.org>
Message-ID: <BA60E480.251F2%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

Dave LeYanna wrote:

>> On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 09:29  AM, Dave LeYanna wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would be willing to start one if the work won't be a duplication or
>>> help if there are already efforts afoot. I know that there is a lot of
>>> editing involved and am aware of what I'm getting into.
>>> 
>>> Any thoughts?
>> 
>> I think that the RevNet plugin (http://www.fourthworld.com/rev/ is pretty
>> cool and because it has sections for Tips, Links and Stacks, it's kind of
>> like a FAQ-plus!
>> 
>> Alex Rice, Software Developer
>
> VERY nice resource!
> I have only browsed it a little and it looks as though most of the function
> require on-line access to use. I am quite often off-line with my notebook
> (redeeming the time) and would probably like to flag certain things to be
> available locally. I'll play with it some more.
> 
> This resource should be one of the first things "newbees" should be made
> aware of...

Thank you for the kind words about RevNet.

Yes, RevNet is as much a file sharing index for developers as much it is an
information directory, so relying on an Internet connection allows us
real-time updates of contributions.

Another element is simply the joy of a fun "proof of concept", an attempt to
answer this question:  How many hours would it take one person armed with
Revolution to build what takes a small army of engineers several months to
do at AOL?

If AOL-TimeWarner had an eye for return on investment (and with a $99
billion loss perhaps they don't <g>) they'd jump at the chance to re-build
AOL in Revolution.  They'd have one code base for every platform, a Linux
version, simultaneous rollout for new versions across platforms, and they'd
probably spend less on the complete re-build than they do now on a single
upgrade.

:)

BTW: If you decide to compile an FRQ for Rev drop me a note.  I have some
FAQ-building tools I could pass to you and maybe we could add access to it
into RevNet.

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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Feb  1 05:59:00 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat Feb  1 05:59:00 2003
Subject: [OT] - Mac OS X Unix book
In-Reply-To: <BA615180.1262%derek.huby@ntlworld.com>
Message-ID: <BA60E782.251F6%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

Derek Huby wrote:

> Also, in some obscure way, Revolution can do some useful stuff in this
> world...

And maybe not so obscure.  Given the speed and flexibility of the engine, C
could be relegated for operating systems and only core routines of
applications.  A smart large company could save significant costs by
building something like, say, GoLive by using Rev to handle 90% of the UI
and then hooking into the window content region with an external for
computationally-intensive stuff like GoLive's Layout mode display.

But even just using native Transcript can deliver a significant subset of
applications that are currently built with C at an exponentially greater
cost.

My MetaCard-based WebMerge application has been mistaken for being C++-based
more than once.  Maybe that's not that far out of line, given that in such a
high-level tool your scripts are only a small part of what's going on, with
most of the action taking place in highly-optimized C++ in the engine.

 
> So, I bought a book. I've just received 'Unix for Mac OS X', a 'Visual
> Quickpro Guide' by Matisse Enzer, published by Peachpit press. The contents
> look hopeful, and I'm quite optimistic that in 520 pages time I might
> actually understand some of the things that the Unix experts are writing
> about. Any other Unix-na?ve (or is that Unix-innocent ?) OS X users of
> Revolution might consider giving it a look. (I own no shares in the
> publishers!)

Me neither, but I've been impressed with the instructional design of the
Visual Quick Pro series for some years, and have found them a greay way to
get a quick grok.

Didn't know about the "Uix for Mac OS X" book -- thanks for posting that.

-- 
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From mazzapaolo at libero.it  Sat Feb  1 06:04:01 2003
From: mazzapaolo at libero.it (paolo mazza)
Date: Sat Feb  1 06:04:01 2003
Subject: Setting Pixels - Clarification
In-Reply-To: <009001c2c744$e1ec52a0$6601a8c0@mckinley.dom>
Message-ID: <9EA41B80-3395-11D7-A261-0003936FFEAC@libero.it>

> Ken wrote:
>
> This is something that as you identified is too slow to be done in 
> regular
> Transcript. You need the help of an external to do the processing of 
> the
> imageData for you. You might want to check out Chipp Walters' image 
> tools
> at:
>
> http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Downloads.htm
>
> There's image compositing and convolution matrix utilities there that 
> use an
> external for speed.
>

There is an external for Windows (ddl). How can I get en external for 
MAC to speed up the process?

Best regards,

Paolo Mazza



From jhurley at infostations.com  Sat Feb  1 07:42:01 2003
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Sat Feb  1 07:42:01 2003
Subject: Line tracing
In-Reply-To: <200302010507.AAA27307@www.runrev.com>
References: <200302010507.AAA27307@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05010400ba6169f395da@[66.81.49.219]>

>Roger Guay Wrote:
>
>Sarah, Jim
>
>What I'm trying to do is trace a line in time as a ball is moved across
>the screen.  Near as I can tell, I want the screen to update but not
>redraw (if that makes any sense?)  I've done this in ToolBook on the PC
>but I much prefer to stay on my Mac.  Here is a description of my stack:
>
>Create a vertical line and label it "Yaxis" and an horizontal line and
>Label it  "Xaxis" such that they intersect and define the origin 
>somewhere near the lower left corner of your stack.  Create a brightly
>colored circle graphic and name it "Ball."  Create 2 fields, one for
>Theta so labeled which defines the angle from the horizon that the ball
>is being fired, and one for V so labeled which defines the velocity of
>the ball when fired.  Create a "Fire" button and insert the following
>script:
>
>on MouseUp
>    global V, Xo, Yo, Theta, T, X
>    --put item 1 of the rect of graphic "Yaxis" into  Xo.  Yaxis is a
>vertical line and Xo,Yo define the origin of motion
>    --put item 4 of the rect of graphic "Yaxis" into  Yo.
>    put field "V" into V    ---- try a value of about 27 in field "V"
>    Put the value of field "Theta" into Theta  ----try a value of 1.2 in
>field "Theta"
>    set the loc of graphic "mortor" to Xo,Yo   ---- Graphic "mortor" is a
>small red round ball.
>    show graphic "mortor"
>    put 0 into T
>    put xo into x
>    put Yo into y
>    play "Mortor.aiff"
>    repeat while Y <= Yo + 1
>      add 1 to T
>      put the value of (Xo+V*cos(Theta)*T     ) into x
>      put the value of (Yo - V*sin(Theta)*T + .5*T^2  ) into Y
>      set the loc of graphic "mortor" to X,Y
>      wait 1
>    end repeat
>	----------  the rest of the script results in a silly explosion at the
>last location of the mortor -------
>    play  "Boom.aiff"
>    hide graphic "mortor"
>    set the loc of graphic "Burst" to x,Yo
>    repeat 35
>      show graphic "burst"
>      wait 1
>      hide graphic "burst"
>      wait 1
>    end repeat
>end MouseUp
>
>
>
>Jim has actually provided a solution for me that works well if I insert
>"wait .01" in his repeat loops.  I can only assume it has something to
>do with processing speed of the computer (I'm using a high end iMac
>with OS X.)  Without the "wait" command in the repeat loop, Jim's
>scripts are very choppy on my computer.
>
>Finally, as I say, Jim's solution works well but I think it would
>nevertheless be more "elegant" to do this as I have in ToolBook where
>one is able to stop the screen redraw.
>
>Thanks very much for joining in the fun, Roger
>

Roger,

I think I see the problem. It is not a difficulty with refreshing the 
screen but the very large sampling times in the  trajectory 
equations. If you  change "add 1 to T" to "add .05 to T" you  will 
get a much smoother motion.  At least it does on my PowerBook running 
OS 8.6

But I thought you wanted a line drawn in the  wake of the graphic  motion?

I couldn't try your sound effects. They should add a nice touch to 
the visual. I have seen discussions on this list of problems with 
sound effects timing; that could be a conflict for you. I can't help 
you there.

You  will find a number of these problems in dynamics illustrated in 
the demo on the RR web site on the Education page including  the 
projectile motion you are working on as well as planetary motion, 
Kepler's 2nd law (planets sweep out equal areas in equal times), the 
voyager sling shot effect as it moved around Jupiter and others. The 
graphic I use there is the turtle, which I represent with an arrow 
icon, which allows me to show heading as well as position. But it is 
easily modified to move any one or more RR controls (buttons, fields, 
graphics, images, etc.). You have the option of leaving a line in the 
turtle's wake or not.

Good luck with  your project. The sound  effects are  a nice touch.

Jim


From jhurley at infostations.com  Sat Feb  1 07:54:01 2003
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Sat Feb  1 07:54:01 2003
Subject: Line tracing
In-Reply-To: <200302010507.AAA27307@www.runrev.com>
References: <200302010507.AAA27307@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05010401ba6170b42d35@[66.81.35.152]>

>
>  erik hansen  wrote:
>
>always read the fine print.
>now i can't get it to open.
>which app is good to open this Simpletext doc?
>ahhh! RunRev is.
>hey, this is fun!
>
>
>=====
>erik at erikhansen.org    http://www.erikhansen.org


Eric,

I suspect the problem you are having is in converting the document 
from PC to Mac.

Richard Gaskin has this nifty AppleTalk application he wrote to make 
the conversion painlessly. You just have to drag the document onto 
the icon and presto, PC to Mac conversion. I can send it to you off 
line if you can't find it on his web site--I am assuming it that is 
alright with Richard???

If you have anything like ResEdit you can do it manually. You have to 
change the type to RSTK and the creator to Revo

I submitted it as a Mac document but, alas, it was converted to a PC document.

-- 
Jim Hurley


From jhurley at infostations.com  Sat Feb  1 08:07:01 2003
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Sat Feb  1 08:07:01 2003
Subject: Line tracing
Message-ID: <a05010402ba61753c3e63@[66.81.35.152]>

>Roger Guay Wrote:
>
>

(snip)

>on MouseUp
>    global V, Xo, Yo, Theta, T, X
>    --put item 1 of the rect of graphic "Yaxis" into  Xo.  Yaxis is a
>vertical line and Xo,Yo define the origin of motion
>    --put item 4 of the rect of graphic "Yaxis" into  Yo.
>    put field "V" into V    ---- try a value of about 27 in field "V"
>    Put the value of field "Theta" into Theta  ----try a value of 1.2 
>in field "Theta"
>    set the loc of graphic "mortor" to Xo,Yo   ---- Graphic "mortor" is a
>small red round ball.
>    show graphic "mortor"
>    put 0 into T
>    put xo into x
>    put Yo into y
>    play "Mortor.aiff"
>    repeat while Y <= Yo + 1
>      add 1 to T
>      put the value of (Xo+V*cos(Theta)*T     ) into x
>      put the value of (Yo - V*sin(Theta)*T + .5*T^2  ) into Y
>      set the loc of graphic "mortor" to X,Y
>      wait 1
>    end repeat


Roger,

P.S.

You may want to consider using: sin(Theta*180/pi) so that you can use 
degrees instead of radians in you angle field. Or perhaps write a 
separate function:

function sine ang
   return sin(ang*180/pi)
end sine

And do the same for cosine.

Jim


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Feb  1 08:19:03 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat Feb  1 08:19:03 2003
Subject: Line tracing
In-Reply-To: <a05010401ba6170b42d35@[66.81.35.152]>
Message-ID: <BA61084B.25219%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

Jim Hurley wrote:

>> erik hansen  wrote:
>> 
>> always read the fine print.
>> now i can't get it to open.
>> which app is good to open this Simpletext doc?
>> ahhh! RunRev is.
>> hey, this is fun!
> 
> Eric,
> 
> I suspect the problem you are having is in converting the document
> from PC to Mac.
> 
> Richard Gaskin has this nifty AppleTalk application he wrote to make
> the conversion painlessly. You just have to drag the document onto
> the icon and presto, PC to Mac conversion. I can send it to you off
> line if you can't find it on his web site--I am assuming it that is
> alright with Richard???

Absolutely, Jim.  Thanks for helping to spread it around where it can be
useful.

-- 
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 Fourth World Media Corporation
 Developer of WebMerge 2.2: Publish any database on any site
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From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Sat Feb  1 09:11:01 2003
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Sat Feb  1 09:11:01 2003
Subject: [ANN] Pantone to RGB
Message-ID: <OF693436DD.4AB83138-ON85256CC0.004CD3BC@sealedair.com>

Announcing "Pantone to RGB". This stack has been posted to User
Contributions. It was just a little color learning exercise that my
colleague and I threw together one afternoon. We were pleased with the end
result and decided to share it with the nice people of this list.

http://www.runrev.com/revolution/developers/developerdownloads/usercontributions.html

Enjoy.

Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>  and James Cass
<james.cass at sealedair.com>





From den.ouden at home.nl  Sat Feb  1 10:07:01 2003
From: den.ouden at home.nl (Alex den Ouden)
Date: Sat Feb  1 10:07:01 2003
Subject: Revolution Hand book ??
Message-ID: <06DCCBBE-35F6-11D7-9ED0-000393959D1A@home.nl>

Hello:  I am an old time hypercard user and recently discovered 
revolution.
Question is there a Revolution Hand Book and do you sell it ?
Thank you.
Alex den Ouden
Bloemendaal 19
Bergen op Zoom
4614CX
Netherlands
http://denouden.tiscaliweb.nl



From wmb at internettrainer.com  Sat Feb  1 10:52:01 2003
From: wmb at internettrainer.com (Wolfgang M. Bereuter)
Date: Sat Feb  1 10:52:01 2003
Subject: bad factor
In-Reply-To: <03b501c2c949$7d249420$6601a8c0@mckinley.dom>
Message-ID: <85D1B019-35FC-11D7-8519-003065430226@internettrainer.com>

On Freitag, J?nner 31, 2003, at 05:54  Uhr, Ken Ray wrote:

> Oh, and one other thing - make sure you put quotes around the name of
> objects. Revolution is smart enough to interpret things *without* 
> quotes,
> but if you use quotes you will (a) make things clearer in your 
> scripts, and
> (b) remove any possible confusion that Rev might encounter. So use 
> this:
>
>   set the hilite of btn "Banana" to true
>
> instead of this:
>
>   set the hilite of btn Banana to true
>
> Just my $0.02,

And this tip is not only worth 2 cent, believe me that..;)

regards
Wolfgang M. Bereuter

Learn easy with trainingsmaps?

INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter
Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria
...............................
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...............................
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From rogerguay at centurytel.net  Sat Feb  1 11:48:01 2003
From: rogerguay at centurytel.net (Roger Guay)
Date: Sat Feb  1 11:48:01 2003
Subject: Line Tracing
In-Reply-To: <200302010506.AAA27121@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <5C42A92A-3604-11D7-B9FB-000393A1CAAA@centurytel.net>

> Have you had a look at the 'move' command? It's at the
> heart of the RunRev Animation Manager, and you should
> be able to create a smooth movement by setting a
> series of points and letting the object travel along
> those points with a 'move' statement.
>
> Just a thought,
>
> Jan Schenkel.
>
Yes Jan, the move command works well but again, it doesn't do what I'm 
trying to do.  I not only want to move a graphic but I want it to trace 
a line behind it.

Thanks, Roger



From sdwagen at punahou.edu  Sat Feb  1 12:12:01 2003
From: sdwagen at punahou.edu (Steve Wagenseller)
Date: Sat Feb  1 12:12:01 2003
Subject: All about plugin
In-Reply-To: <v03130319ba5fd8badbe0@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <A066E256-3607-11D7-A827-000393B9EA0E@punahou.edu>

Greetings, all. I'm new to the list (re-newed, actually), but I've been 
doing RR (and HyperCard before that for years).

I'm moving some HC stacks to Rev and I'm direly in need of the Unicode 
service of the new version. Is it possible for me to check out how that 
feature works via the 2.0 beta? (I have a professional users license.) 
Thanks for any help and advice.

S.



From rogerguay at centurytel.net  Sat Feb  1 13:37:01 2003
From: rogerguay at centurytel.net (Roger Guay)
Date: Sat Feb  1 13:37:01 2003
Subject: Line Tracing
In-Reply-To: <200302011701.MAA09672@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <86AC6750-3613-11D7-B9FB-000393A1CAAA@centurytel.net>

Thanks to all who have responded to this Line tracing thing.  Here is 
another iteration.

> Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2003 04:51:22 -0800
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> From: Jim Hurley <jhurley at infostations.com>
> Subject: Line tracing

> I think I see the problem. It is not a difficulty with refreshing the
> screen but the very large sampling times in the  trajectory
> equations. If you  change "add 1 to T" to "add .05 to T" you  will
> get a much smoother motion.  At least it does on my PowerBook running
> OS 8.6

I have no problem with the motion . . . it's very smooth on my new iMac 
and several PC's I use. But you're right about the sampling time being  
a critical consideration.

> But I thought you wanted a line drawn in the  wake of the graphic  
> motion?

Yes, that's exactly what I am trying to do.  What I am trying to do 
reminds me of an oscilloscpoe where the persistence of the screen 
results in a line/trace from a moving spot on the screen.

> I couldn't try your sound effects. They should add a nice touch to
> the visual. I have seen discussions on this list of problems with
> sound effects timing; that could be a conflict for you. I can't help
> you there.

Since you're interested, I've emailed you privately to offer the 
download of my stack along with it's sound files.
I've experienced no timing problems with the sounds on my machines.

> You  will find a number of these problems in dynamics illustrated in
> the demo on the RR web site on the Education page including  the
> projectile motion you are working on as well as planetary motion,
> Kepler's 2nd law (planets sweep out equal areas in equal times), the
> voyager sling shot effect as it moved around Jupiter and others. The
> graphic I use there is the turtle, which I represent with an arrow
> icon, which allows me to show heading as well as position. But it is
> easily modified to move any one or more RR controls (buttons, fields,
> graphics, images, etc.). You have the option of leaving a line in the
> turtle's wake or not.

I've briefly looked at your TurtleGraphicsDemo and I'm very impressed.  
I haven't had time to understand the "Turtle" aspect yet, but I will 
have a closer look.  I've been toying with the idea of simulating a 
typical Science Museum Foucault Pendulum, where a beautiful pattern is 
traced in the sand by the pendulum.  I would like to generate those 
patterns by running the equation of motion of the Foucault Pendulum.  I 
think this is not going to be easy because if I recall correctly, this 
is a non-linear differential equation.  But, I'm ignorant enough to 
proceed anyway.

Thanks, Roger



From kevin at runrev.com  Sat Feb  1 14:42:01 2003
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Sat Feb  1 14:42:01 2003
Subject: Pre-Beta for 2.0 for Mac OS
Message-ID: <BA61D27A.10DFF%kevin@runrev.com>

Hi,

For those of your who are particularly adventurous (and we recommend this
for more advanced users only at this stage) you can now download a pre-Beta
for Mac OS X (and a partial build for Mac OS 9) of 2.0 from:

http://www.runrev.com/revolution/previews/

Windows and Linux will follow sometime tomorrow - we have the links up but
they don't work until we finish building, and it being Saturday night, some
people have gone home ;-)

Please read all the instructions.  We'll be doing regular updates to this
from now until release, this is the first publicly available snapshot.
Again, if you don't consider yourself on the cutting edge, you may want to
hold off a bit longer.

Enjoy!

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
Tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165.  Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707.



From kevin at runrev.com  Sat Feb  1 14:54:19 2003
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Sat Feb  1 14:54:19 2003
Subject: Printing Docs
In-Reply-To: <200301302212.h0UMCcOU020990@ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BA61D51F.10E04%kevin@runrev.com>

On 30/1/03 10:12 pm, Howard Bornstein <bornstein at designeq.com> wrote:

> OK, the big push to get lots of new stuff in 2.0 is almost done, but I'll
> guarantee that it will also include a lot of bugs. Next, we'll need to
> get those bugs fixed as soon as possible. It should be the primary
> priority.

Agreed.  Overall, the plan this year is to have a different emphasis and
release frequency from last year.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
Tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165.  Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707.



From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  1 17:09:00 2003
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (erik hansen)
Date: Sat Feb  1 17:09:00 2003
Subject: Line Tracing
In-Reply-To: <86AC6750-3613-11D7-B9FB-000393A1CAAA@centurytel.net>
Message-ID: <20030201220449.71606.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Roger Guay <rogerguay at centurytel.net> wrote:
> Thanks to all who have responded to this Line
> tracing thing.

it is great that all of the geometry education
interests are in touch with each other. improved
code and less duplication of effort.

=====
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From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  1 17:13:01 2003
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (erik hansen)
Date: Sat Feb  1 17:13:01 2003
Subject: Line tracing
In-Reply-To: <BA61084B.25219%ambassador@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <20030201220914.2067.qmail@web20001.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
wrote:
> Jim Hurley wrote:
> 
> >> erik hansen  wrote:
> >> 
> >> always read the fine print.
> >> now i can't get it to open.
> >> which app opens this Simpletext doc?
> >> ahhh! RunRev is.
> >> hey, this is fun!
> > 
> > Eric,
> > 
> > I suspect the problem you are having is in
> converting the document
> > from PC to Mac.
> > 
> > Richard Gaskin has this nifty AppleTalk
> application he wrote to make
> > the conversion painlessly. You just have to
> drag the document onto
> > the icon and presto, PC to Mac conversion. I
> can send it to you off
> > line if you can't find it on his web site--I
> am assuming it that is
> > alright with Richard???
> 
> Absolutely, Jim.  Thanks for helping to spread
> it around where it can be useful.

shouldn't the RunRev people 
(when they get some time)
have "this nifty AppleTalk application"
installed on their site?

=====
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sat Feb  1 17:39:01 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat Feb  1 17:39:01 2003
Subject: Line tracing
In-Reply-To: <20030201220914.2067.qmail@web20001.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BA618B8D.2527D%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

erik hansen wrote:

>>> Richard Gaskin has this nifty AppleTalk
>>> application he wrote to make
>>> the conversion painlessly. You just have to
>>> drag the document onto
>>> the icon and presto, PC to Mac conversion. I
>>> can send it to you off
>>> line if you can't find it on his web site--I
>>> am assuming it that is
>>> alright with Richard???
>> 
>> Absolutely, Jim.  Thanks for helping to spread
>> it around where it can be useful.
> 
> shouldn't the RunRev people
> (when they get some time)
> have "this nifty AppleTalk application"
> installed on their site?

It wouldn't be their doing -- I'd have to send it to them first. :)

They have a great tools repository at
<http://www.RunRev.com/revolution/developers/developerdownloads/usercontribu
tions.html> and are quick about posting new submissions.

I just hadn't thought of uploading it there.  All I did was find a snippet
off the Web and modified it for the Rev type code, and then compiled it to a
droplet:

on open theList
    tell application "Finder"
        set selectionLength to number of items of selection
        if selectionLength = 0 then
            say "Nothing is [[emph +]] selected."
        else
            --  first change all the files selected
            set the creator type of every file of selection to "Revo"
            set the file type of every file of selection to "RSTK"
        end if
    end tell
end open


While this works great in OS 9 it fails in OS X, providing the "Nothing is
selected" feedback.

Hopoefully one of you AppleScript gurus can explain:  Why would the method
by which I'm obtaining the file list work perfectly in Classic but not in OS
X?

-- 
 Richard Gaskin 
 Fourth World Media Corporation
 Developer of WebMerge 2.2: Publish any database on any site
 ___________________________________________________________
 Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
 Tel: 323-225-3717                       AIM: FourthWorldInc



From alrice at ARCplanning.com  Sat Feb  1 19:52:00 2003
From: alrice at ARCplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Sat Feb  1 19:52:00 2003
Subject: Pre-Beta for 2.0 for Mac OS
In-Reply-To: <BA61D27A.10DFF%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <F878FD81-3647-11D7-AE36-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>

On Saturday, February 1, 2003, at 12:37  PM, Kevin Miller wrote:
>
> Again, if you don't consider yourself on the cutting edge, you may 
> want to
> hold off a bit longer.
>
> Enjoy!

2.0 is shaping up to be a great product.

However, with this 2.0 pre-beta my personal opinion is that there is so 
much bugs and unfinished features that's is not possible for me to do 
any meaningful testing. I'm not really a cutting edge user, so 
hopefully others have ways of testing the IDE (like from the Message 
window)?

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From katir at hindu.org  Sat Feb  1 20:22:00 2003
From: katir at hindu.org (Sannyasin Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sat Feb  1 20:22:00 2003
Subject: Change Resolution of JPEG?
Message-ID: <33E58CE0-364C-11D7-856D-003065FB9830@hindu.org>

Is it possible to use or manipulate the imageData somehow to change the 
resolution of an image? Or, is importing a snap shot the only option to 
  get from a higher resolution to a lower resolution? I am not talking 
about JPEG Quality here, but going from a 200 DPI image to a 72 DPI 
version for the web or a thumbnail catalog.




Sannyasin Sivakatirswami
Himalayan Academy Publications
at Kauai's Hindu Monastery
katir at hindu.org

www.HimalayanAcademy.com,
www.HinduismToday.com
www.Gurudeva.org
www.Hindu.org



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sat Feb  1 22:14:01 2003
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat Feb  1 22:14:01 2003
Subject: Line tracing
References: <BA618B8D.2527D%ambassador@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <052d01c2ca68$e4dcf290$6601a8c0@mckinley.dom>

Richard,

It must be a bug in OS X. If you assign the value to a variable first, and
then get the count, you actually get the right number. For example, if you
select to documents in the Finder and do this:

tell application "Finder"
  get the number of items of the selection
end tell

...you get "0". But if you do this:

tell application "Finder"
  copy the selection to mySel
  get the number of items of mySel
end tell

... you get "2". Go figure...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Gaskin" <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: Line tracing


> erik hansen wrote:
>
> >>> Richard Gaskin has this nifty AppleTalk
> >>> application he wrote to make
> >>> the conversion painlessly. You just have to
> >>> drag the document onto
> >>> the icon and presto, PC to Mac conversion. I
> >>> can send it to you off
> >>> line if you can't find it on his web site--I
> >>> am assuming it that is
> >>> alright with Richard???
> >>
> >> Absolutely, Jim.  Thanks for helping to spread
> >> it around where it can be useful.
> >
> > shouldn't the RunRev people
> > (when they get some time)
> > have "this nifty AppleTalk application"
> > installed on their site?
>
> It wouldn't be their doing -- I'd have to send it to them first. :)
>
> They have a great tools repository at
>
<http://www.RunRev.com/revolution/developers/developerdownloads/usercontribu
> tions.html> and are quick about posting new submissions.
>
> I just hadn't thought of uploading it there.  All I did was find a snippet
> off the Web and modified it for the Rev type code, and then compiled it to
a
> droplet:
>
> on open theList
>     tell application "Finder"
>         set selectionLength to number of items of selection
>         if selectionLength = 0 then
>             say "Nothing is [[emph +]] selected."
>         else
>             --  first change all the files selected
>             set the creator type of every file of selection to "Revo"
>             set the file type of every file of selection to "RSTK"
>         end if
>     end tell
> end open
>
>
> While this works great in OS 9 it fails in OS X, providing the "Nothing is
> selected" feedback.
>
> Hopoefully one of you AppleScript gurus can explain:  Why would the method
> by which I'm obtaining the file list work perfectly in Classic but not in
OS
> X?
>
> --
>  Richard Gaskin
>  Fourth World Media Corporation
>  Developer of WebMerge 2.2: Publish any database on any site
>  ___________________________________________________________
>  Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
>  Tel: 323-225-3717                       AIM: FourthWorldInc
>
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>



From katir at hindu.org  Sat Feb  1 22:39:01 2003
From: katir at hindu.org (Sannyasin Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sat Feb  1 22:39:01 2003
Subject: Moving  graphic trashes visual effects?
Message-ID: <5475FD26-365F-11D7-856D-003065FB9830@hindu.org>

I suspect this is normal...

I put a big landscape into an image in the back ground of a stack and 
set it to move slowly from left to right over 60 seconds... Meanwhile I 
had previously build a "show" on the foreground layers which reveal 
images, reveal text with wipes up, down, to the right etc.

now, if I set the background graphic into motion, while it is moving 
all  the visual effects of the higher layered objects are "trashed" 
some shudder on reveal, wipes don't work at all... etc.

Normal?



Sannyasin Sivakatirswami
Himalayan Academy Publications
at Kauai's Hindu Monastery
katir at hindu.org

www.HimalayanAcademy.com,
www.HinduismToday.com
www.Gurudeva.org
www.Hindu.org



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Sun Feb  2 00:13:01 2003
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Sun Feb  2 00:13:01 2003
Subject: Line tracing-now applescript
In-Reply-To: <BA618B8D.2527D%ambassador@fourthworld.com>
References: <BA618B8D.2527D%ambassador@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <a05200f01ba6253ba943e@[10.0.1.2]>

>
>I just hadn't thought of uploading it there.  All I did was find a snippet
>off the Web and modified it for the Rev type code, and then compiled it to a
>droplet:

<snip>

>While this works great in OS 9 it fails in OS X, providing the "Nothing is
>selected" feedback.
>
>Hopoefully one of you AppleScript gurus can explain:  Why would the method
>by which I'm obtaining the file list work perfectly in Classic but not in OS
>X?

I cannot explain your script but here is one I use to change text files into
BBEdit files (I find BBEdit very handy), I just modified it for Rev.

Works here on 10.2.1 & 9.2

atb

sims
*****************************

on run
	tell application "Finder"
		set theList to selection
		if (count items in theList) = 1 then
			set theList to {}
		end if
	end tell
	MakeAppleAliases(theList)
end run

on open theList
	MakeAppleAliases(theList)
end open

on MakeAppleAliases(theList)
	set NoItemsSelectedFlag to true -- initialize the flag
	tell application "Finder"
		repeat with x in theList
			set NoItemsSelectedFlag to false
			try
				set the creator type of x to "Revo"
				set the file type of x to "RSTK"
			on error
				error "There was an error converting the file."
			end try
		end repeat
	end tell
	if NoItemsSelectedFlag then
		display dialog "You have not selected anything."
	end if
end MakeAppleAliases
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
    http://EZPZapps.com         info at EZPZapps.com
       Software - Internet Development - Consulting


From jeanne at runrev.com  Sun Feb  2 02:45:01 2003
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Sun Feb  2 02:45:01 2003
Subject: create graphic and choose browse issues
In-Reply-To: <a05010401ba602878a034@[66.81.52.100]>
References: <200301311309.IAA29015@www.runrev.com>
 <200301311309.IAA29015@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <v03130326ba611c92d515@[10.0.1.2]>

At 5:28 AM -0800 1/31/03, Jim Hurley wrote:
>>   send "choose browse tool" to me in 20 milliseconds
>
>Is there perhaps something  one might do in an openStack script to
>handle the issue throughout the stack?

Unfortunately, I can't think of anything other than a search-and-replace.
(But you should be able to do this fast with the Find dialog.)

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From jeanne at runrev.com  Sun Feb  2 02:45:16 2003
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Sun Feb  2 02:45:16 2003
Subject: Cut,Copy,Paste menus
In-Reply-To: <BA61A994.BD84%rbarber@yhb.att.ne.jp>
References: <049701c2c9b7$dd650ae0$6601a8c0@mckinley.dom>
Message-ID: <v0313032eba6265250769@[10.0.1.2]>

At 11:43 PM -0800 1/31/03, Ron wrote:
>Where should scripts that control the enabling/disabling of menuitems be
>placed? Obviously, the menu's mousedown message is not the place because it
>is not activated until I click in the menubar.

Actually, the best place is a mouseDown handler in the script of the menu
bar group.

Why in the mouseDown handler? Because mouseDown is sent before the menu is
displayed, so it's the best place to put menu changes that need to be done
"just in time".

Why in the group? Because on Mac OS and OS X systems, the menu doesn't get
a mouseDown message, but the group does.

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sun Feb  2 03:54:01 2003
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Sun Feb  2 03:54:01 2003
Subject: Pre-Beta for 2.0 for Mac OS
In-Reply-To: <F878FD81-3647-11D7-AE36-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>
References: <F878FD81-3647-11D7-AE36-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>
Message-ID: <p05210200ba628ace7c4b@[10.0.1.5]>

>On Saturday, February 1, 2003, at 12:37  PM, Kevin Miller wrote:
>>
>>Again, if you don't consider yourself on the cutting edge, you may want to
>>hold off a bit longer.
>>
>>Enjoy!
>
>2.0 is shaping up to be a great product.
>
>However, with this 2.0 pre-beta my personal opinion is that there is 
>so much bugs and unfinished features that's is not possible for me 
>to do any meaningful testing. I'm not really a cutting edge user, so 
>hopefully others have ways of testing the IDE (like from the Message 
>window)?
>



I too am very disapointed with this pre-Beta :
too much messages : not yet implemented or bugs.

I think the people who said "wait until a good finished product" are right
It's not necessary to release a version to satisfy some people who 
are waiting with impatience. I think it's better to wait until the 
team has worked further.
For me it's not a problem.
I whish the team a good work and I'm waiting until a good version is 
released without impatience.
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From rbarber at yhb.att.ne.jp  Sun Feb  2 05:25:01 2003
From: rbarber at yhb.att.ne.jp (Ron)
Date: Sun Feb  2 05:25:01 2003
Subject: Cut,Copy,Paste menus
In-Reply-To: <v0313032eba6265250769@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <BA631FFD.BDE3%rbarber@yhb.att.ne.jp>

Hi Jeanne

Thanks for replying. I don't mean to beat this thread to death but I still
don't know why I can't use the cmdkey to operate the CCP set.
 
> At 11:43 PM -0800 1/31/03, Ron wrote:
>> Where should scripts that control the enabling/disabling of menuitems be
>> placed? Obviously, the menu's mousedown message is not the place because it
>> is not activated until I click in the menubar.
> 
> Actually, the best place is a mouseDown handler in the script of the menu
> bar group.
> 
> Why in the mouseDown handler? Because mouseDown is sent before the menu is
> displayed, so it's the best place to put menu changes that need to be done
> "just in time".

Well, that's what I thought. In fact I do just that with my format menu that
gets the textfont,textstyle, textcolor, textsize and places a check by the
appropriate menuitem of the menu according to the current selectedtext.

> Why in the group? Because on Mac OS and OS X systems, the menu doesn't get
> a mouseDown message, but the group does.

I'm using a Mac primarily so this is the way I've approached it.

So, if I want to disable the copy menuitem when no text is selected and
enable it when text is selected, where should I put the controls for this?

There seem to be several choices.
On openfield:.
On mousedown of the menubar group.
On selectionchanged.


Currently, I enable 'copy' when the menubar group gets a mousedown message,
just as you suggested. eg On mousedown and text is selected, then enable
'copy'. This works fine since it is 'just in time'. However, let's say I
open a fld, then select some text. The 'copy' menu should now be enabled,
but since I have not clicked in the menubar, the 'copy' menu is still in its
default state of disabled. Thus when the cmdkey is sent to the menubar,
nothing happens. 

Jan suggested trying selectionchanged. So, I put the following handler in a
cd with a text fld.
on selectionchanged
  if the selectedtext is not "" then
    enable menuitem 2 of menu 2 --the copy menuitem
  else
    disable menuitem 2 of menu 2
  end if
  pass selectionchanged
end selectionchanged

The menus stop responding to cmdkeys. Without this script, they respond to
cmdkeys if the menuitem has not been disabled. But disabling and then
enabling them seem to kill the response to cmdkeys. This is using 1.1.1 on
OS 9.2.1

Is my thinking or method incorrect?

Thanks
Ron



From curry at kagi.com  Sun Feb  2 06:44:01 2003
From: curry at kagi.com (Curry)
Date: Sun Feb  2 06:44:01 2003
Subject: Pre-Beta for 2.0 for Mac OS
In-Reply-To: <200302020856.DAA23502@www.runrev.com>
References: <200302020856.DAA23502@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05111b00ba62a620f72a@[68.34.213.220]>

>  >However, with this 2.0 pre-beta my personal opinion is that there is
>>so much bugs and unfinished features that's is not possible for me
>>to do any meaningful testing. I'm not really a cutting edge user, so
>>hopefully others have ways of testing the IDE (like from the Message
>  >window)?
>  >
>I too am very disapointed with this pre-Beta :
>too much messages : not yet implemented or bugs.
>
>I think the people who said "wait until a good finished product" are right
>It's not necessary to release a version to satisfy some people who
>are waiting with impatience. I think it's better to wait until the
>team has worked further.

Well, I think it's a nice treat Rev gave us, not for going ahead with 
work in it or testing every single thing -- "pre" beta after all -- 
but it lets everyone see a preview of basically how the new interface 
is going to look and work. Nothing wrong with that IMO! I think it's 
a nice gesture from Rev and very enjoyable to try it out if you 
interpret it and use it in the sense that I believe it was offered.

The smooth window resizing is very neat, and I like that it's been 
thoughtfully included to use in our apps too. The properties palette 
is super clean, a huge improvement.

(You can't beat the cleanness of the menu in the palette but still, 
you have to admit it's faster to have a one-click method for 
switching sections--I say maybe add a row of tiny icon buttons (the 
size of the icons for adding and deleting categories in custom and 
profile sections of the palette) for the different sections along the 
top and let the user choose to show the menu, both, or just the icon 
row. But keep the menu default, it sets a very clean tone for 
everything.)

I also like to be able to set the margins of an object in the 
palette, but could I suggest to also add an interface element to 
change each margin separately? Maybe a small option menu to choose 
All, Left, Top, Right, or Bottom, using the same entry field so it 
doesn't take up much more room than now.

For Font and Size option menus in the palette, it would be nice to 
begin the menu with a blank (space) item equivalent to "use owner's 
size".

The interface for setting a stack shape is just too good! (Try it people!)

Everything looks very deserving of the 2.0 hype. I do think it would 
nice to paste images from the clipbard when no image object is 
selected and have a new image object created the size of the image 
data rather than of the card. Putting together something with clipart 
or that sort of thing, it could speed things up.

Great Saturday night bonus.

Curry


From jhurley at infostations.com  Sun Feb  2 06:44:24 2003
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Sun Feb  2 06:44:24 2003
Subject: Line tracing
In-Reply-To: <200302020856.DAA23502@www.runrev.com>
References: <200302020856.DAA23502@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05010407ba62a19b0d0a@[66.81.214.52]>

>  Roger Guay  wrote:
>
>Thanks to all who have responded to this Line tracing thing.  Here is
>another iteration.

(snip)

>
>I've briefly looked at your TurtleGraphicsDemo and I'm very impressed. 
>I haven't had time to understand the "Turtle" aspect yet, but I will
>have a closer look.  I've been toying with the idea of simulating a
>typical Science Museum Foucault Pendulum, where a beautiful pattern is
>traced in the sand by the pendulum.  I would like to generate those
>patterns by running the equation of motion of the Foucault Pendulum.  I
>think this is not going to be easy because if I recall correctly, this
>is a non-linear differential equation.  But, I'm ignorant enough to
>proceed anyway.


Roger,

There is a real catch in solving the Foucault Pendulum problem. The 
equations of motion have no closed form solution. (Although there are 
approximate solutions for small amplitude and for small angular 
velocity.) But if you employ the method illustrated in the Turtle 
Graphics Demo you don't need the solution, you effectively solve the 
equations of motion with a very simple algorithm:

repeat
    xNew = xOld + velocityOld*t
    velocityNew = velocityOld + acceleration*t
    (put the  new x into the old x and draw the line)
    (put the new velocity into the old velocity)
end repeat

where t is some fixed small time increment, and the acceleration is a 
known function.

If for simplicity you take t = 1 (sec), the TG code for *any* problem 
in dynamics  is:

Repeat forever --Or until you lose patience
   IncrementXY vx, vy
   add accx() to  vx
   add accy() to vy
end repeat

The line "IncrementXY vx,vy" increments the x and y coordinates of 
the path by vx and vy, and simultaneously draws the  line.

It doesn't get much simpler. This becomes a template for solving 
*all* such problems in dynamics. You  just  have to write different 
acceleration functions depending on the physical circumstances. You 
can see why I am promoting Transcript/TG as a mean of teaching 
programing to high school science students.

This algorithm is in effect the solution to the differential equation 
of motion by the  method of finite differences, but I wouldn't tell 
anybody--they will shun you.

May I suggest the two dimensional harmonic oscillator rather than the 
Foucault Pendulum. You get beautiful Lissajou figures (prettier than 
the  Foucault path) which are open or closed depending on the ratio 
of the x  and y spring constants. This is a very rich problem for 
exploration.

Good luck. You look like you are having fun.

Jim


From curry at kagi.com  Sun Feb  2 07:18:01 2003
From: curry at kagi.com (Curry)
Date: Sun Feb  2 07:18:01 2003
Subject: Printing Docs
In-Reply-To: <200301310633.BAA18130@www.runrev.com>
References: <200301310633.BAA18130@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05111b01ba62b3c529db@[68.34.213.220]>

Since other people mentioned printing...

One time I tried printing from Rev and it left the printer unusable! 
Had to press the Reset to Factory Defaults button in the printer 
setup to use the printer again. :-)

It was a complex card with a lot of stuff on it--a calendar. Haven't 
had time to try printing anything simple yet.

Curry



From wortboiler at comcast.net  Sun Feb  2 09:03:00 2003
From: wortboiler at comcast.net (wortboiler FITZ)
Date: Sun Feb  2 09:03:00 2003
Subject: Phone Dialer
Message-ID: <99c259ca86.9ca8699c25@icomcast.net>

 I take it that simply dialing a phone number with RR isn't as simple 
as in HC, where one could simply type into the message box"dial 
#######".
 I have nearly finished a stack that requires the program to to alert 
me when a condition is met. I had not even checked on dialing, (as I 
was evidently a little spoiled with the ease of HC) and therefore am 
caught short again..
 All I can see in the docs are related to actual communications with 
servers and covers more technical information than I need to know at 
this time(I hope).
 My aspirations do not rise to that level as of yet, as I would simply 
like my phone to ring a few times and hang up, alerting me to get to a 
computer and check the website.
Thanks in advance,
mike



From gary.rathbone at btclick.com  Sun Feb  2 10:12:00 2003
From: gary.rathbone at btclick.com (Gary Rathbone)
Date: Sun Feb  2 10:12:00 2003
Subject: Phone Dialer
In-Reply-To: <99c259ca86.9ca8699c25@icomcast.net>
Message-ID: <000001c2cacc$c9854a10$0e00000a@server>

Looking in the archives I found the following...
--------------------------------------------------
> How can I make Revolution dial?, I mean make a phone call!!!

if you have the phone number stored in a variable, (let's get radical and
call this variable lPhoneNumber), then you can call it in a handler with the
following:

  open file "modem:"  --open modem port
  write "ATS0=0S7=1D" & lPhoneNumber & cr to file "modem:"
  close file "modem:"  --close it so you don't wonder why you can't use
the modem in another app.
--------------------------------------------------

Hope this helps.

Regards

Gary Rathbone


> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com 
> [mailto:use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> wortboiler FITZ
> Sent: 02 February 2003 13:57
> To: Revolution List
> Subject: Phone Dialer
> 
> 
>  I take it that simply dialing a phone number with RR isn't as simple 
> as in HC, where one could simply type into the message box"dial 
> #######".
>  I have nearly finished a stack that requires the program to to alert 
> me when a condition is met. I had not even checked on dialing, (as I 
> was evidently a little spoiled with the ease of HC) and therefore am 
> caught short again..
>  All I can see in the docs are related to actual communications with 
> servers and covers more technical information than I need to know at 
> this time(I hope).
>  My aspirations do not rise to that level as of yet, as I 
> would simply 
> like my phone to ring a few times and hang up, alerting me to 
> get to a 
> computer and check the website.
> Thanks in advance,
> mike
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com 
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-> revolution
> 




From MFitz53 at cs.com  Sun Feb  2 10:31:01 2003
From: MFitz53 at cs.com (MFitz53 at cs.com)
Date: Sun Feb  2 10:31:01 2003
Subject: Phone dialer
Message-ID: <145.96186a9.2b6e92b1@cs.com>

Spoiled by the ease of dialing a telephone number in HC, I have been caught 
up short in finishing a stack that requires RR to dial my telephone number 
and hang up after a few seconds.
 In HC, all one has to do is type"dial #######" into the message box or 
script it in a handler.
 I see nothing like that in RR. The docs have information concerning 
connections and data transfer to/from servers and some commands concerning 
COM ports. I'm hoping it will not be necessary to learn all of this before I 
can ring a telephone.
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From wortboiler at comcast.net  Sun Feb  2 10:50:01 2003
From: wortboiler at comcast.net (wortboiler FITZ)
Date: Sun Feb  2 10:50:01 2003
Subject: Phone Dialer
Message-ID: <97f719534b.9534b97f71@icomcast.net>

Thank you. I'll try it today.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Rathbone <gary.rathbone at btclick.com>
Date: Sunday, February 2, 2003 10:07 am
Subject: RE: Phone Dialer

> Looking in the archives I found the following...
> --------------------------------------------------
> > How can I make Revolution dial?, I mean make a phone call!!!
> 
> if you have the phone number stored in a variable, (let's get 
> radical and
> call this variable lPhoneNumber), then you can call it in a 
> handler with the
> following:
> 
>  open file "modem:"  --open modem port
>  write "ATS0=0S7=1D" & lPhoneNumber & cr to file "modem:"
>  close file "modem:"  --close it so you don't wonder why you 
> can't use
> the modem in another app.
> --------------------------------------------------
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Gary Rathbone
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com 
> > [use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com] On Behalf Of 
> > wortboiler FITZ
> > Sent: 02 February 2003 13:57
> > To: Revolution List
> > Subject: Phone Dialer
> > 
> > 
> >  I take it that simply dialing a phone number with RR isn't as 
> simple 
> > as in HC, where one could simply type into the message box"dial 
> > #######".
> >  I have nearly finished a stack that requires the program to to 
> alert 
> > me when a condition is met. I had not even checked on dialing, 
> (as I 
> > was evidently a little spoiled with the ease of HC) and 
> therefore am 
> > caught short again..
> >  All I can see in the docs are related to actual communications 
> with 
> > servers and covers more technical information than I need to 
> know at 
> > this time(I hope).
> >  My aspirations do not rise to that level as of yet, as I 
> > would simply 
> > like my phone to ring a few times and hang up, alerting me to 
> > get to a 
> > computer and check the website.
> > Thanks in advance,
> > mike
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com 
> > " target="l">http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-> 
> revolution> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 



From eudio at chabashira.co.jp  Sun Feb  2 11:08:01 2003
From: eudio at chabashira.co.jp (UDI)
Date: Sun Feb  2 11:08:01 2003
Subject: Import MIDI file as movie
Message-ID: <20030202160328.29396@mail.chabashira.co.jp>

I want to import a MIDI file to a stack file.
And I intend to play it by a Play command.
-e.g. play vc "myMusic.mid" -- is not file path

It is successful.
But there is a case to fail in. ( A text appears in a stack window )

Revolution seems to recognize it to be a TEXT file.
Is not there a good method to tell Revolution that the data are MIDI?


UDI
eudio at chabashira.co.jp
http://member.nifty.ne.jp/UDI/


From mrtea at mac.com  Sun Feb  2 11:08:11 2003
From: mrtea at mac.com (Mr Tea)
Date: Sun Feb  2 11:08:11 2003
Subject: Pre-Beta for 2.0 for Mac OS
In-Reply-To: <a05111b00ba62a620f72a@[68.34.213.220]>
Message-ID: <BA62F1F2.ADB6%mrtea@mac.com>

This from Curry - dated 02-02-03 11.36 am:

> Well, I think it's a nice treat Rev gave us...

Thanks for the review, Curry. For we folks who 'don't consider [ourselves]
on the cutting edge', that gave a real flavour of what to expect in the new
version.


Cheers


Mr Tea



From gizmotron at earthlink.net  Sun Feb  2 11:14:00 2003
From: gizmotron at earthlink.net (Mark Brownell)
Date: Sun Feb  2 11:14:00 2003
Subject: Cost to update Rev 2.0 to Rev 2.5
Message-ID: <BA62AD91.7B3%gizmotron@earthlink.net>

Hi,

[in-digest-mode]

I was wondering if anyone knew about the cost to upgrade if you have the
aprox $999.00 pro licensed version of the current Rev development app. I
searched their website for the upgrade policy and could not find information
on future upgrades or time limits for free upgrades when you purchase
Revolution.

To be specific I've been talking with people that are developing future XML
capabilities for  Revolution that might get added to Rev 2.5 but not be
available in Rev 2.0. So if I purchase the full priced Rev 2.0, aprox $999,
what will be the costs when new versions of Revolution come out for those
that have a pro license? Does everyone have to pay the full price each time
a new version of Revolution comes out. I know that if you purchase the
current version you will get a free version of Rev 2.0 when it is finally
released.

Thanks,
Mark Brownell



From bvg at mac.com  Sun Feb  2 11:26:01 2003
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Sun Feb  2 11:26:01 2003
Subject: Cost to update Rev 2.0 to Rev 2.5
In-Reply-To: <BA62AD91.7B3%gizmotron@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <69AE6DC8-36CA-11D7-A133-003065AD94A4@mac.com>

You get a YEAR of free upgrade so if you get 2.5 depends on the time it  
comes out, and the time you bought your update.
Anyone who bought a license since November 2001 gets the Update to 2.0.  
This is a special rule, due to the fact that it ships later then  
anounced.
You can buy a renewal license after your Year runs out (the renewal is  
cheaper then the new license).

view also :
http://runrev.com/revolution/info/moreinformation/faq.html

and
http://secure.runrev.com/cgi-bin/miva?Merchant2/ 
merchant.mv+Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=RROS&Category_Code=sbe

On Sonntag, Feb 2, 2003, at 17:12 Europe/Zurich, Mark Brownell wrote:

> Hi,
>
> [in-digest-mode]
>
> I was wondering if anyone knew about the cost to upgrade if you have  
> the
> aprox $999.00 pro licensed version of the current Rev development app.  
> I
> searched their website for the upgrade policy and could not find  
> information
> on future upgrades or time limits for free upgrades when you purchase
> Revolution.
>
> To be specific I've been talking with people that are developing  
> future XML
> capabilities for  Revolution that might get added to Rev 2.5 but not be
> available in Rev 2.0. So if I purchase the full priced Rev 2.0, aprox  
> $999,
> what will be the costs when new versions of Revolution come out for  
> those
> that have a pro license? Does everyone have to pay the full price each  
> time
> a new version of Revolution comes out. I know that if you purchase the
> current version you will get a free version of Rev 2.0 when it is  
> finally
> released.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark Brownell
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From kkaufman at snet.net  Sun Feb  2 12:31:01 2003
From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman)
Date: Sun Feb  2 12:31:01 2003
Subject: Import MIDI file as movie  
Message-ID: <7F5BFF80-36D3-11D7-A42F-0003936D1F12@snet.net>

UDI,
Generally, MIDI files have as their first four characters of their 
header:
MThd

Perhaps a mechanism could be set up to assure that MIDI files are 
treated appropriately if they begin that way.  Or do I misunderstand 
the problem?

-Kurt



From terry at discovery.nl  Sun Feb  2 13:38:01 2003
From: terry at discovery.nl (Terry Vogelaar)
Date: Sun Feb  2 13:38:01 2003
Subject: Cost to update Rev 2.0 to Rev 2.5
In-Reply-To: <BA62AD91.7B3%gizmotron@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BFF20A14-36DC-11D7-809E-0030656FD666@discovery.nl>

Mark Brownell heeft op zondag, 2 feb 2003 om 17:12 het volgende 
geschreven:

> I was wondering if anyone knew about the cost to upgrade if you have 
> the
> aprox $999.00 pro licensed version of the current Rev development app. 
> I
> searched their website for the upgrade policy and could not find 
> information
> on future upgrades or time limits for free upgrades when you purchase
> Revolution.

Upgrading costs $299 at the moment. You can find that information on 
their website at the online store under Professional User License.

Terry



From eudio at chabashira.co.jp  Sun Feb  2 13:41:00 2003
From: eudio at chabashira.co.jp (UDI)
Date: Sun Feb  2 13:41:00 2003
Subject: Import MIDI file as movie  
In-Reply-To: <7F5BFF80-36D3-11D7-A42F-0003936D1F12@snet.net>
References: <7F5BFF80-36D3-11D7-A42F-0003936D1F12@snet.net>
Message-ID: <20030202183622.2898@mail.chabashira.co.jp>

Thanks to Mr.Kurt Kaufman.

QT can naturally handle a MIDI file as a movie.

Therefore I imported a MIDI file in stack.
(So the data became a VideoClip)

This file are right MIDI file.
I can play it by 'Play vc <filePath>'

But Revolution does not consider an imported thing to be MIDI.
I can NOT play it by 'Play vc <vcObjName>'

( This trial is sometimes successful. But it failed in sometimes )

Will not there be a method to import a MIDI file in stack rightly?


UDI
eudio at chabashira.co.jp
http://member.nifty.ne.jp/UDI/


From rogerguay at centurytel.net  Sun Feb  2 14:10:00 2003
From: rogerguay at centurytel.net (Roger Guay)
Date: Sun Feb  2 14:10:00 2003
Subject: Line Tracing
In-Reply-To: <200302021701.MAA04447@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <59188D52-36E1-11D7-8487-000393A1CAAA@centurytel.net>

Thank you very much for your helpful suggestions,  Jim.  I going to 
start by getting an understanding of TurtleGraphics  and your 
TurtleGraphicDemo . . . right now!

> Roger,
>
> There is a real catch in solving the Foucault Pendulum problem. The
> equations of motion have no closed form solution. (Although there are
> approximate solutions for small amplitude and for small angular
> velocity.) But if you employ the method illustrated in the Turtle
> Graphics Demo you don't need the solution, you effectively solve the
> equations of motion with a very simple algorithm:
>
> repeat
>     xNew = xOld + velocityOld*t
>     velocityNew = velocityOld + acceleration*t
>     (put the  new x into the old x and draw the line)
>     (put the new velocity into the old velocity)
> end repeat
>
> where t is some fixed small time increment, and the acceleration is a
> known function.
>
> If for simplicity you take t = 1 (sec), the TG code for *any* problem
> in dynamics  is:
>
> Repeat forever --Or until you lose patience
>    IncrementXY vx, vy
>    add accx() to  vx
>    add accy() to vy
> end repeat
>
> The line "IncrementXY vx,vy" increments the x and y coordinates of
> the path by vx and vy, and simultaneously draws the  line.
>
> It doesn't get much simpler. This becomes a template for solving
> *all* such problems in dynamics. You  just  have to write different
> acceleration functions depending on the physical circumstances. You
> can see why I am promoting Transcript/TG as a mean of teaching
> programing to high school science students.
>
> This algorithm is in effect the solution to the differential equation
> of motion by the  method of finite differences, but I wouldn't tell
> anybody--they will shun you.
>
> May I suggest the two dimensional harmonic oscillator rather than the
> Foucault Pendulum. You get beautiful Lissajou figures (prettier than
> the  Foucault path) which are open or closed depending on the ratio
> of the x  and y spring constants. This is a very rich problem for
> exploration.
>
> Good luck. You look like you are having fun.
>
> Jim

I am indeed having fun . . . combining two loves; RR scripting and 
Physics.

Cheers, Roger



From bornstein at designeq.com  Sun Feb  2 16:08:18 2003
From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Sun Feb  2 16:08:18 2003
Subject: Cut,Copy,Paste menus
Message-ID: <200302022103.h12L3xOU013366@ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com>

>Currently, I enable 'copy' when the menubar group gets a mousedown message,
>just as you suggested. eg On mousedown and text is selected, then enable
>'copy'. This works fine since it is 'just in time'. However, let's say I
>open a fld, then select some text. The 'copy' menu should now be enabled,
>but since I have not clicked in the menubar, the 'copy' menu is still in its
>default state of disabled. Thus when the cmdkey is sent to the menubar,
>nothing happens. 


Why not just handle the command keys directly?

on commandkeydown keyname
  if the selection is not empty then
    switch keyname
    case "c"
      copy
      break
     
    case "x"
      cut
      break
     
    case "v"
      paste
      break
    end switch
  end if
  pass commandkeydown
end commandkeydown

Then you don't have to worry about the state of the menu.


Regards,

Howard Bornstein
____________________
D E S I G N  E Q
www.designeq.com


From rbarber at yhb.att.ne.jp  Sun Feb  2 17:13:01 2003
From: rbarber at yhb.att.ne.jp (Ron)
Date: Sun Feb  2 17:13:01 2003
Subject: Cut,Copy,Paste menus
In-Reply-To: <200302022103.h12L3xOU013366@ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BA63C5E8.BE09%rbarber@yhb.att.ne.jp>

Hi Howard,

This is a good coding solution that would probably address any problem I'm
having with the key itself initiating the actions. However,I think it would
not be the best solution as far as interface is concerned. eg When the user
clicks in the menu and the cursor is not in a fld, the ccp menus should not
be enabled. Or, are you saying separated the 2, cosmetically
enabling/disabling the menus and actully doing the ccp another way?

Thanks
Ron

>> Currently, I enable 'copy' when the menubar group gets a mousedown message,
>> just as you suggested. eg On mousedown and text is selected, then enable
>> 'copy'. This works fine since it is 'just in time'. However, let's say I
>> open a fld, then select some text. The 'copy' menu should now be enabled,
>> but since I have not clicked in the menubar, the 'copy' menu is still in its
>> default state of disabled. Thus when the cmdkey is sent to the menubar,
>> nothing happens.
> 
> 
> Why not just handle the command keys directly?
> 
> on commandkeydown keyname
> if the selection is not empty then
> switch keyname
> case "c"
> copy
> break
> 
> case "x"
> cut
> break
> 
> case "v"
> paste
> break
> end switch
> end if
> pass commandkeydown
> end commandkeydown
> 
> Then you don't have to worry about the state of the menu.



From RGould8 at aol.com  Sun Feb  2 19:50:01 2003
From: RGould8 at aol.com (RGould8 at aol.com)
Date: Sun Feb  2 19:50:01 2003
Subject: OS 10.1 replacement for the "killall" command?
Message-ID: <143.96777e7.2b6f15b3@aol.com>

I have a Revolution app that makes a call to Unix in Mac OS 10.2 to do a 
"killall <badprocessname>".  Is there a Mac OS 10.1 equivilant?  I was 
thinking it might be some combo of doing a "ps" to find the process id, and 
then the "kill" statement to kill it off, but I haven't had success with the 
ps command (I only get 1 process listed, even if I see 20 processes listed in 
the OS X "Process Viewer" utility.)  
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From xslaugh at hotmail.com  Sun Feb  2 20:28:01 2003
From: xslaugh at hotmail.com (Scott Slaugh)
Date: Sun Feb  2 20:28:01 2003
Subject: Flash command
Message-ID: <BAY1-F52YBM5OnEfThr00006c77@hotmail.com>

Underneath this message is a script I have developed that creates something 
that looks a lot like the flash command from HyperCard.  It is designed to 
go into two buttons in order to stay within the 10 line script limit. If you 
want, you can combine the script into one item.

When I wrote this, my two buttons were named flash 1 and flash 2.  If you 
name your buttons something different, then you will need to modify the last 
line of the script for button 1 so that it will work by changing the name of 
the button to the name of the button you placed the script in.

The constant flashticks in the second button script specifies how long the 
computer waits between each flash.  It is measured in ticks.

If you want me to combine this into one script for you, email me.  Also 
email me if you have any problems.  Enjoy!

Scott Slaugh


--Button 1 script
on mouseUp
  global flashnumber
  ask "How many flashes?"
  put it into flashnumber
  if (flashnumber is empty) or (flashnumber is not an integer) or 
(flashnumber contains "-") then put 5 into flashnumber
  set the shownamme of the templatebutton to false
  set the showborder of the templatebutton to false
  set the rect of the templatebutton to the screenrect
  set the backcolor of the templatebutton to black
  create button "flashscreen"
  send flashscreen to btn "flash 2"
end mouseUp

--Button 2 Script
on flashscreen
  global flashnumber
  constant flashticks=5
  put the backcolor of this cd into oldbackcolor
  set the backcolor of this cd to white
  set the layer of btn "flashscreen" to top
  repeat flashnumber times
    if the opaque of btn "flashscreen" is true then
      set the opaque of btn "flashscreen" to false
    else
    --  set the backcolor of btn "flashscreen" to black
      set the opaque of btn "flashscreen" to true
    end if
    wait flashticks ticks
  end repeat
  set the backcolor of this cd to oldbackcolor
  delete btn "flashscreen"
  choose browse tool
end flashscreen

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From kkaufman at snet.net  Sun Feb  2 20:31:01 2003
From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman)
Date: Sun Feb  2 20:31:01 2003
Subject: Import MIDI file as movie
Message-ID: <911E7188-3716-11D7-BA83-0003936D1F12@snet.net>

UDI writes:
"...Will not there be a method to import a MIDI file in stack rightly?"

Most applications that play MIDI files on Mac OS & OS X do so via 
Quicktime, which has built-in (Roland) synthesizers.  On Windows, I 
understand that the Windows Media Player is accessed.

When working with MIDI within Revolution, you use the Quicktime player 
if you would like to be able to specify instrument, tempo, meter, etc.  
  I don't know of another way to access a suitable synthesizer.  Were 
you thinking of piping MIDI data to an external tone generator through 
a USB port?

One problem that is bypassed in using Quicktime to deal with MIDI files:
MIDI files often seem to have proprietary data that is specific to a 
certain hardware configuration or software application; Quicktime 
"knows" when and how to ignore such data.

But UDI, you are the one who wrote the stack "makeSMF"; surely you know 
all of this, so I may be misunderstanding you?

-Kurt



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Feb  2 21:26:01 2003
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun Feb  2 21:26:01 2003
Subject: OS 10.1 replacement for the "killall" command?
References: <143.96777e7.2b6f15b3@aol.com>
Message-ID: <004e01c2cb2b$581e05b0$6601a8c0@mckinley.dom>

Here's what I've done: You can get a list of the processes in long form
using "ps -axw -o pid,command", which will give you a list of file paths for
each file along with its process ID. You can then kill it using "kill -9".
Here's the functions I use:

function GetPID pAppName
  -- Note: Requires applications to be within the first 132 characters of
the path name
  if char -4 to -1 of pAppName <> ".app" then
    put ".app" after pAppName  -- just in case
  end if
  put shell("ps -axw -o pid,command") into tProcList
  put lineOffset("/" & pAppName & "/",tProcList) into tLine
  if tLine <> 0 then
    return (word 1 of line tLine of tProcList)
  else
    return 0
  end if
end GetPID

on KillProcess pPID
  if pPID <> 0 then
    get shell("kill -9 " & pPID)
  else
    return "Process not found."
  end if
end KillProcess

And then I call it like this:

on mouseUp
  KillProcess (GetPID("MyApp.app"))
  if the result <> "" then
    answer "Error: " & the result
  else
    -- rest of my code here
  end if
end mouseUp

Hope this helps,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


----- Original Message -----
From: <RGould8 at aol.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 6:45 PM
Subject: OS 10.1 replacement for the "killall" command?


> I have a Revolution app that makes a call to Unix in Mac OS 10.2 to do a
> "killall <badprocessname>".  Is there a Mac OS 10.1 equivilant?  I was
> thinking it might be some combo of doing a "ps" to find the process id,
and
> then the "kill" statement to kill it off, but I haven't had success with
the
> ps command (I only get 1 process listed, even if I see 20 processes listed
in
> the OS X "Process Viewer" utility.)
>



From xslaugh at hotmail.com  Sun Feb  2 21:29:01 2003
From: xslaugh at hotmail.com (Scott Slaugh)
Date: Sun Feb  2 21:29:01 2003
Subject: Flash command correction
Message-ID: <BAY1-F82s9aAOPpBpcX00006cda@hotmail.com>

I just noticed that the part where I set the showname property to false is 
spelled wrong.  So to fix it, go to line 7 of the script of button 1 and 
change the spelling of shownamme to showname.  That makes the script for 
button 1 look like the script below.

Scott Slaugh


--Button 1 script
on mouseUp
global flashnumber
ask "How many flashes?"
put it into flashnumber
if (flashnumber is empty) or (flashnumber is not an integer) or (flashnumber 
contains "-") then put 5 into flashnumber
set the showname of the templatebutton to false
set the showborder of the templatebutton to false
set the rect of the templatebutton to the screenrect
set the backcolor of the templatebutton to black
create button "flashscreen"
send flashscreen to btn "flash 2"
end mouseUp

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From bornstein at designeq.com  Sun Feb  2 21:59:01 2003
From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Sun Feb  2 21:59:01 2003
Subject: Cut,Copy,Paste menus
Message-ID: <200302030254.h132sfOU027451@ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com>

>Or, are you saying separated the 2, cosmetically
>enabling/disabling the menus and actully doing the ccp another way?

Yes, why not (admittedly I didn't spend a lot of time with your previous 
emails. I just responded to your last one). Because you have a fairly 
complex set of circumstances regarding when to enable or disable the 
menus, just do that independently from the command-key stuff (otherwise 
it gets *really* complicated, as you saw).

If you use the command-key code separately, you handle the keyboard 
actions without having to worry at all about the menu status. If your 
users do use the menus, you're already taking care of that. It seems to 
me they function well together and eliminate a complex programming 
problem.

Again, I haven't followed your discussion in detail so there may be some 
downside I'm not considering.

Regards,

Howard Bornstein
____________________
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www.designeq.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sun Feb  2 22:21:01 2003
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sun Feb  2 22:21:01 2003
Subject: Line tracing
References: <200302020856.DAA23502@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3E3DDF12.70307@hyperactivesw.com>

Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>
> on open theList
>     tell application "Finder"
>         set selectionLength to number of items of selection
>         if selectionLength = 0 then
>             say "Nothing is [[emph +]] selected."
>         else
>             --  first change all the files selected
>             set the creator type of every file of selection to "Revo"
>             set the file type of every file of selection to "RSTK"
>         end if
>     end tell
> end open
> 
> 
> While this works great in OS 9 it fails in OS X, providing the "Nothing is
> selected" feedback.

I avoid the whole selection thing and use the following, which works 
okay in both OS 9 and OS X:

on open theFiles
	tell application "Finder"
		repeat with x in theFiles
			set the creator type of x to "Revo"
			set the file type of x to "RSTK"
		end repeat
	end tell
end open

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From eudio at chabashira.co.jp  Mon Feb  3 00:11:00 2003
From: eudio at chabashira.co.jp (UDI)
Date: Mon Feb  3 00:11:00 2003
Subject: Import MIDI file as movie
In-Reply-To: <911E7188-3716-11D7-BA83-0003936D1F12@snet.net>
References: <911E7188-3716-11D7-BA83-0003936D1F12@snet.net>
Message-ID: <20030203050639.29354@mail.chabashira.co.jp>

Mr.Kurt Kaufman wrote 03.2.2 08:26 PM?
>But UDI, you are the one who wrote the stack "makeSMF"; surely you know 
>all of this, so I may be misunderstanding you?

Yes, I written 'makeSMF'. I know about QuickTime & MIDI.

But now,
I want to IMPORT some midi files in stack -as VideoClip objects-.

For example, I may use it as BGM or effect sounds in a picture book.

Generaly, let data files attach to the application.
But it is an ideal that make as a single application file.

So I tried this:
  answer file "Choose MIDI file"
  if ( it is empty ) then exit mouseUp
  import videoClip from file it
OK, It was surely imported. MIDI data is in stack file.
  play vc 1 
Oh, this fails sometimes...

-----

I know other solutions to make an application of a single file.
I can put midi data into custom property.
Then export it in a file when stack running, and play it.
This method is the best?

UDI
eudio at chabashira.co.jp
http://member.nifty.ne.jp/UDI/


From wmb at internettrainer.com  Mon Feb  3 04:10:01 2003
From: wmb at internettrainer.com (Wolfgang M. Bereuter)
Date: Mon Feb  3 04:10:01 2003
Subject: Pre-Beta for 2.0 for Mac OS
In-Reply-To: <p05210200ba628ace7c4b@[10.0.1.5]>
Message-ID: <BF83E3B8-3756-11D7-A02D-003065430226@internettrainer.com>

On Sonntag, Februar 2, 2003, at 09:47  Uhr, Yves COPPE wrote:

>> However, with this 2.0 pre-beta my personal opinion is that there is 
>> so much bugs and unfinished features that's is not possible for me to 
>> do any meaningful testing. I'm not really a cutting edge user, so 
>> hopefully others have ways of testing the IDE (like from the Message 
>> window)?
>>
>
>
>
> I too am very disapointed with this pre-Beta :
> too much messages : not yet implemented or bugs.
Why?
on the contrary!!
Its the first release, which shows a *real* improvement of the GUI
That must be the way where rev has to go...
if you are looking for the classical stable scripting product - its 
here: called MC!
IMHO: We need this different UI as a perfect companion to MC...
Its the first time, since about a year, that I have the feeling that 
rev is now going in the right direction...
The stability should come with the time... a better UI not!!!

regards
Wolfgang M. Bereuter

Learn easy with trainingsmaps?

INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter
Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria
...............................
http://www.internettrainer.com, wmb at internettrainer.com
...............................
Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539



From wmb at internettrainer.com  Mon Feb  3 04:37:00 2003
From: wmb at internettrainer.com (Wolfgang M. Bereuter)
Date: Mon Feb  3 04:37:00 2003
Subject: who knows BlueShiftSoftware?
In-Reply-To: <200302022103.h12L3xOU013366@ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <65C62194-375A-11D7-A02D-003065430226@internettrainer.com>

Who knows BlueShiftSoftware or Sue Frost
Thats a SC developer company...

A friend of mine uses a tool called "REKALL" and he wants to update 
sometime to OSX, but its OS9.x only (made with SC)
The latest info from them about half a year ago was that they are going 
RB or rev.
It is a tool for ophthalmologists with a framegrabber card and camera 
with a database connection to store the eyes pictures. He says that it 
is a great tool and he does not want to change to another one. But if 
later on newer Macs will not boot on OS9 and without any actual driver 
support for the framegrabber card and the camera the life of this tool 
will end sometime...

Maybe (blueshift) Sue Frost is readings this list, than pls drop me a 
note...

Thanks in advance for any other ideas or infos...

regards
Wolfgang M. Bereuter

Learn easy with trainingsmaps?

INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter
Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria
...............................
http://www.internettrainer.com, wmb at internettrainer.com
...............................
Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539



From miscdas at boxfrog.com  Mon Feb  3 05:33:01 2003
From: miscdas at boxfrog.com (miscdas at boxfrog.com)
Date: Mon Feb  3 05:33:01 2003
Subject: who knows BlueShiftSoftware?
In-Reply-To: <65C62194-375A-11D7-A02D-003065430226@internettrainer.com> 
References: <65C62194-375A-11D7-A02D-003065430226@internettrainer.com>
Message-ID: <20030203102921.78637.qmail@www.boxfrog.com>

Wolfgang M. Bereuter writes:
[snip]
> Who knows BlueShiftSoftware or Sue Frost
> Thats a SC developer company...
Wolfgang M. Bereuter
> 
Maybe this will help you
http://www.blueshiftsoftware.com 

info at blueshiftsoftware.com 

719 Hasting St
Vancouver, BC
604-893-7004 

miscdas


From showard at marincatholic.org  Mon Feb  3 06:51:12 2003
From: showard at marincatholic.org (Sandra Howard)
Date: Mon Feb  3 06:51:12 2003
Subject: recording sound on a mac
Message-ID: <BA604ACE.8EA%showard@marincatholic.org>

*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro*
Hello,

I'm trying to find an easy way to record myself on my mac & in using google,
your name came up.  I want to record my voice, save the recording on my
desktop in a wav or mp3 format.  Because I then want to add it to an
exercise I'm making for my French students.  what software should I use on
my mac?  My laptaop is OS 9.2, my emac at home is OSX.

Thanks so much for your help.


Sandra Howard
Marin Catholic HS
675 Sir Francis Drake Blvd
Kentfield CA 94904
showard at marincatholic.org
khoward50 at attbi.com
http://www.marincatholic.org/French/frenchmain.html




From sschofield at computing.dundee.ac.uk  Mon Feb  3 06:58:00 2003
From: sschofield at computing.dundee.ac.uk (sschofield)
Date: Mon Feb  3 06:58:00 2003
Subject: jdbc
Message-ID: <31C6D68FA597D411B04D00E02965883B010BACD0@mailhost>

Anyone know anything about connecting using JDBC? Is it possible with
Revolution? Do you have to convert it to ODBC? If yes, anyone succeeded?

Cheers

Susie


From martin at harbourtown.co.uk  Mon Feb  3 07:25:07 2003
From: martin at harbourtown.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Mon Feb  3 07:25:07 2003
Subject: [ANN] Pantone to RGB
In-Reply-To: <200302011704.MAA09982@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <l03130300ba640eb545b3@[62.137.82.47]>

That's nice, thanks very much!

martin

>From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com
>Announcing "Pantone to RGB". This stack has been posted to User
>Contributions. It was just a little color learning exercise that my
>colleague and I threw together one afternoon. We were pleased with the end
>result and decided to share it with the nice people of this list.
>
>http://www.runrev.com/revolution/developers/developerdownloads/usercontribution
>s.html
>
>Enjoy.
>
>Roger Eller <roger.e.eller at sealedair.com>  and James Cass
><james.cass at sealedair.com>




From sschofield at computing.dundee.ac.uk  Mon Feb  3 07:28:04 2003
From: sschofield at computing.dundee.ac.uk (sschofield)
Date: Mon Feb  3 07:28:04 2003
Subject: VERSION 2.5
Message-ID: <31C6D68FA597D411B04D00E02965883B010BACD2@mailhost>

WITH QUERIES ABOUT VERSION 2.5, DID I MISS VERSIO 2.0'S RELEASE?

SUSIE


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  3 07:36:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon Feb  3 07:36:01 2003
Subject: jdbc
In-Reply-To: <31C6D68FA597D411B04D00E02965883B010BACD0@mailhost>
Message-ID: <20030203123130.51569.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com>

--- sschofield <sschofield at computing.dundee.ac.uk>
wrote:
> Anyone know anything about connecting using JDBC? Is
> it possible with
> Revolution? Do you have to convert it to ODBC? If
> yes, anyone succeeded?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Susie

Hi Susie,

Revolution supports ODBC (and iODBC on Un*x machines)
but not JDBC -- it's not Java.
Furthermore, there's direct support for
- Valentina (MacOS / Windows)
- Oracle (pro-license only)
- MySQL (pro-license only)
- PostgreSQL (in version 2.0)

Hope this answered your question,

Jan Schenkel.

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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  3 07:39:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon Feb  3 07:39:01 2003
Subject: VERSION 2.5
In-Reply-To: <31C6D68FA597D411B04D00E02965883B010BACD2@mailhost>
Message-ID: <20030203123422.68641.qmail@web11903.mail.yahoo.com>

--- sschofield <sschofield at computing.dundee.ac.uk>
wrote:
> WITH QUERIES ABOUT VERSION 2.5, DID I MISS VERSIO
> 2.0'S RELEASE?
> 
> SUSIE

Hi Susie,

Don't worry, you didn't miss a release. RunRev 2.0 has
a public pre-beta, but isn't final.
The question regarding 2.5 had to do with upgrade
prices from 2.0 at some point in the future.

Hope this answered your question,

Jan Schenkel.

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From sschofield at computing.dundee.ac.uk  Mon Feb  3 07:42:00 2003
From: sschofield at computing.dundee.ac.uk (sschofield)
Date: Mon Feb  3 07:42:00 2003
Subject: jdbc
Message-ID: <31C6D68FA597D411B04D00E02965883B010BACD4@mailhost>

Thanks Jan, this is what I thought would be the case. Openbase assures me I
can convert JDBC to ODBC at which point I can frontend with Revolution.
Hmmm, still working on it!

-----Original Message-----
From: Jan Schenkel [mailto:janschenkel at yahoo.com] 
Sent: 03 February 2003 12:32
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Re: jdbc


--- sschofield <sschofield at computing.dundee.ac.uk>
wrote:
> Anyone know anything about connecting using JDBC? Is
> it possible with
> Revolution? Do you have to convert it to ODBC? If
> yes, anyone succeeded?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Susie

Hi Susie,

Revolution supports ODBC (and iODBC on Un*x machines)
but not JDBC -- it's not Java.
Furthermore, there's direct support for
- Valentina (MacOS / Windows)
- Oracle (pro-license only)
- MySQL (pro-license only)
- PostgreSQL (in version 2.0)

Hope this answered your question,

Jan Schenkel.

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From sschofield at computing.dundee.ac.uk  Mon Feb  3 07:44:00 2003
From: sschofield at computing.dundee.ac.uk (sschofield)
Date: Mon Feb  3 07:44:00 2003
Subject: VERSION 2.5
Message-ID: <31C6D68FA597D411B04D00E02965883B010BACD5@mailhost>

Thanks again jan. I have a boss breathing down my neck re version 2...

-----Original Message-----
From: Jan Schenkel [mailto:janschenkel at yahoo.com] 
Sent: 03 February 2003 12:34
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Re: VERSION 2.5


--- sschofield <sschofield at computing.dundee.ac.uk>
wrote:
> WITH QUERIES ABOUT VERSION 2.5, DID I MISS VERSIO
> 2.0'S RELEASE?
> 
> SUSIE

Hi Susie,

Don't worry, you didn't miss a release. RunRev 2.0 has
a public pre-beta, but isn't final.
The question regarding 2.5 had to do with upgrade
prices from 2.0 at some point in the future.

Hope this answered your question,

Jan Schenkel.

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From BM at dataflight.dk  Mon Feb  3 07:44:09 2003
From: BM at dataflight.dk (Bisser Milanov)
Date: Mon Feb  3 07:44:09 2003
Subject: how to download v2.0
Message-ID: <40D144CC1099D311A0440008C74C54CF1628F9@exchange.dataflight.dk>

I tried to download the pre beta from the link

http://www.runrev.com/revolution/previews/downloads.html
<http://www.runrev.com/revolution/previews/downloads.html> 

But the link was broken. Then I tried the FTP but there was a file
revolution.exe from April 2002 only.

 

So where do I find the download of v2.0 pre beta?

 

Best Regards
Bisser Milanov

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From kkaufman at snet.net  Mon Feb  3 07:52:01 2003
From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman)
Date: Mon Feb  3 07:52:01 2003
Subject: Import MIDI file as movie
Message-ID: <BD673D63-3775-11D7-B31D-0003936D1F12@snet.net>

Mr. UDI wrote:
"...
So I tried this:
   answer file "Choose MIDI file"
   if ( it is empty ) then exit mouseUp
   import videoClip from file it
OK, It was surely imported. MIDI data is in stack file.
   play vc 1
Oh, this fails sometimes..."

I'm surprised this ever works at all; I get a short high-pitched squeal 
(why ANY sound?) if I attempt to import a MIDI file as an audioClip, 
and a field full of characters if I import a MIDI file as a videoClip.

Perhaps Kevin or Scott can enlighten me as to RR/MC's ability (?) to 
import MIDI files and play them outside of the Quicktime player object; 
  I didn't know this was possible at all.  If so, what kind of 
underlying mechanism does this use....or is Quicktime invoked "behind 
the scenes" anyway?

-Kurt



From gizmotron at earthlink.net  Mon Feb  3 07:59:01 2003
From: gizmotron at earthlink.net (Mark Brownell)
Date: Mon Feb  3 07:59:01 2003
Subject: Cost to update Rev 2.0 to Rev 2.5
Message-ID: <BA63D13E.7C0%gizmotron@earthlink.net>

Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 19:32:57 +0100; Terry Vogelaar Wrote:

>> searched their website for the upgrade policy and could not find information
>> on future upgrades or time limits for free upgrades when you purchase
>> Revolution.

> Upgrading costs $299 at the moment. You can find that information on their
> website at the online store under Professional User License.

I saw that at the website. So what happens if I wait more than one year
before upgrading? I'm mostly inquiring about the policy regarding the steps
one must possibly maintain when it comes to availability of the upgrade
license. Is it a requirement to maintain the latest upgrade each year in
order to  qualify for future upgrade releases of Revolution? I'm trying to
determine the cost of maintaining Revolution over several years and what it
costs to get new versions under different circumstances. The policy for
upgrading was not clear to me at the website.

Thanks,
Mark



From ttasovac at Princeton.EDU  Mon Feb  3 08:23:01 2003
From: ttasovac at Princeton.EDU (Toma Tasovac)
Date: Mon Feb  3 08:23:01 2003
Subject: pre-beta
Message-ID: <14BE2524-377A-11D7-B0C6-000393D60E0C@princeton.edu>

Has anybody actually managed to open a stack created in 1.1.1  with 2.0 
pre-beta?  Every time I try to do that I get the message:  "There was a 
problem opening that stack: no such card."

Toma



From eudio at chabashira.co.jp  Mon Feb  3 08:41:01 2003
From: eudio at chabashira.co.jp (UDI)
Date: Mon Feb  3 08:41:01 2003
Subject: Import MIDI file as movie
In-Reply-To: <BD673D63-3775-11D7-B31D-0003936D1F12@snet.net>
References: <BD673D63-3775-11D7-B31D-0003936D1F12@snet.net>
Message-ID: <20030203133646.24292@mail.chabashira.co.jp>

Mr. Kurt Kaufman wrote 03.2.3 07:48 AM?
> If so, what kind of 
>underlying mechanism does this use....or is Quicktime invoked "behind 
>the scenes" anyway?

Because QT supports MIDI format, it naturally have this ability.
But this trial may become sometimes unsuccessful.
Is there somebody who knows a successful condition?


UDI
eudio at chabashira.co.jp
http://member.nifty.ne.jp/UDI/


From kevin at runrev.com  Mon Feb  3 09:11:01 2003
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Mon Feb  3 09:11:01 2003
Subject: Cost to update Rev 2.0 to Rev 2.5
In-Reply-To: <BA63D13E.7C0%gizmotron@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BA642587.10EA1%kevin@runrev.com>

On 3/2/03 12:56 pm, Mark Brownell <gizmotron at earthlink.net> wrote:

>> Upgrading costs $299 at the moment. You can find that information on their
>> website at the online store under Professional User License.
> 
> I saw that at the website. So what happens if I wait more than one year
> before upgrading? I'm mostly inquiring about the policy regarding the steps
> one must possibly maintain when it comes to availability of the upgrade
> license. Is it a requirement to maintain the latest upgrade each year in
> order to  qualify for future upgrade releases of Revolution? I'm trying to
> determine the cost of maintaining Revolution over several years and what it
> costs to get new versions under different circumstances. The policy for
> upgrading was not clear to me at the website.

At present we do not have a policy that requires you to keep your license
current and we do not charge a penalty to purchase a years updates more than
a year after the last time.  (We may of course change that policy in the
future, but would as ever be unlikely to apply such a policy change to our
existing users.)

We do however ask everyone to keep their subscription current regardless, if
they are finding that Revolution is a useful tool.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
Tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165.  Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707.



From kevin at runrev.com  Mon Feb  3 09:11:38 2003
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Mon Feb  3 09:11:38 2003
Subject: how to download v2.0
In-Reply-To: <40D144CC1099D311A0440008C74C54CF1628F9@exchange.dataflight.dk>
Message-ID: <BA6425B5.10EA2%kevin@runrev.com>

On 3/2/03 12:40 pm, Bisser Milanov <BM at dataflight.dk> wrote:

> I tried to download the pre beta from the link
> 
> http://www.runrev.com/revolution/previews/downloads.html
> 
> But the link was broken. Then I tried the FTP but there was a file
> revolution.exe from April 2002 only.
> 
> 
> 
> So where do I find the download of v2.0 pre beta?

We haven't included ftp links yet, use http.  Also, the form for 30 day
trial appears to have a glitch, you need to enter an email address to pass.
We'll fix both of those shortly.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
Tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165.  Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707.



From jhurley at infostations.com  Mon Feb  3 09:25:03 2003
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Mon Feb  3 09:25:03 2003
Subject: Storing images
In-Reply-To: <200302030913.EAA18022@www.runrev.com>
References: <200302030913.EAA18022@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05010401ba6426f41634@[66.81.214.21]>

I think I recall a tip on this list some time ago on reducing file size.

I have an image which is used on more than one card. Rather than 
import the image as a control to each card separately, is there a 
single place within the stack from which it might be called as 
reference to each card?  I hope to avoid the complication that comes 
from calling the image as a reference from a separate file stored on 
disk.

Thanks,

Jim


From malte.brill at t-online.de  Mon Feb  3 09:56:01 2003
From: malte.brill at t-online.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Mon Feb  3 09:56:01 2003
Subject: Storing images 
In-Reply-To: <200302021705.MAA04653@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA644061.346%malte.brill@t-online.de>

Hi Jim,

you can import the image once, then create a button on each card as a
placeholder for that image and set the buttons icon property to the ID of
the image you have imported.
Or you can create a group containing your image and set it?s
backgroundBehavior to true.

Hope that helps,

Malte



From hardt at u.arizona.edu  Mon Feb  3 10:09:01 2003
From: hardt at u.arizona.edu (Oliver Hardt)
Date: Mon Feb  3 10:09:01 2003
Subject: pre-beta
In-Reply-To: <000901c2c22f$bf6fc5a0$50231e3e@Jez2>
References: <000901c2c22f$bf6fc5a0$50231e3e@Jez2>
Message-ID: <a05210202ba6433ed0294@[128.196.99.206]>

hi:  i am sorry to say this, but i am feeling as if i was taken for a 
ride here.  wasn't the story in november that the reason for not 
releasing 2.0 as scheduled was thorough testing and what not?  and 
now i am reading on the list that the pre(!!)-beta cannot open some 
stacks properly, and some stuff (apparently a lot) is not even yet 
implemented!  that doesn't sound like a product in testing phase 
(thus *pre* beta).
	i would really encourage you guys up there in scottland to 
tell us what the real problem is.  i cannot believe this "testing" 
argument any more.  honestly, i don't care whether it takes another 
year to release the final version (because the current version is 
working for me) -- just put the cards on the table.
	best, olli.


From kevin at runrev.com  Mon Feb  3 10:24:01 2003
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Mon Feb  3 10:24:01 2003
Subject: pre-beta
In-Reply-To: <a05210202ba6433ed0294@[128.196.99.206]>
Message-ID: <BA643900.10EDA%kevin@runrev.com>

On 3/2/03 3:04 pm, Oliver Hardt <hardt at u.arizona.edu> wrote:

> hi:  i am sorry to say this, but i am feeling as if i was taken for a
> ride here.  wasn't the story in november that the reason for not
> releasing 2.0 as scheduled was thorough testing and what not?  and
> now i am reading on the list that the pre(!!)-beta cannot open some
> stacks properly, and some stuff (apparently a lot) is not even yet
> implemented!  that doesn't sound like a product in testing phase
> (thus *pre* beta).
> i would really encourage you guys up there in scottland to
> tell us what the real problem is.  i cannot believe this "testing"
> argument any more.  honestly, i don't care whether it takes another
> year to release the final version (because the current version is
> working for me) -- just put the cards on the table.

We called it a pre-beta because there are still a handful of features being
completed.  But when you look at the entire feature set and what *is*
present, you will note that just about everything *is* there now, and its a
long list of new features, present and correct.  The stuff that isn't
included is a very short list.  That long list of features has been in
testing for some time, and the time it is going to take us to wrap up those
features that aren't yet present is insignificant in comparison.  Some of
the features not present in this version simply weren't built because we are
making changes to them when we did the build - they have been included in
the private alpha tests we have been doing.  Those changed components will
be included soon.  We have enough there now for it to be worth testing the
overall design and stability.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
Tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165.  Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707.



From BM at dataflight.dk  Mon Feb  3 10:27:01 2003
From: BM at dataflight.dk (Bisser Milanov)
Date: Mon Feb  3 10:27:01 2003
Subject: how to download v2.0
Message-ID: <40D144CC1099D311A0440008C74C54CF1628FA@exchange.dataflight.dk>

I can't download the beta 2.0 the link below is not valid.
http://www.runrev.com/revolution/downloads/distributions/2.0/revolution.exe

Is there another link for download? I see that download for Mac works but
for windows it doesn't.


-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Miller [mailto:kevin at runrev.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 2:57 PM
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Re: how to download v2.0

On 3/2/03 12:40 pm, Bisser Milanov <BM at dataflight.dk> wrote:

> I tried to download the pre beta from the link
> 
> http://www.runrev.com/revolution/previews/downloads.html
> 
> But the link was broken. Then I tried the FTP but there was a file
> revolution.exe from April 2002 only.
> 
> 
> 
> So where do I find the download of v2.0 pre beta?

We haven't included ftp links yet, use http.  Also, the form for 30 day
trial appears to have a glitch, you need to enter an email address to pass.
We'll fix both of those shortly.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
Tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165.  Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707.

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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Feb  3 10:45:04 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon Feb  3 10:45:04 2003
Subject: pre-beta
In-Reply-To: <a05210202ba6433ed0294@[128.196.99.206]>
Message-ID: <BA63CD66.25418%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

Oliver Hardt wrote:

> now i am reading on the list that the pre(!!)-beta cannot open some
> stacks properly, and some stuff (apparently a lot) is not even yet
> implemented!  that doesn't sound like a product in testing phase
> (thus *pre* beta).

Seems like you answered your own question.  "Pre-beta" means "prior to
rigorous beta testing".

If you've participated in alpha and beta testing for large commercial
applications, you'll note that Rev's level of functionality for pre-beta is
not inconsistent with that of major publishers.

And given that Rev provides much more thorough documentation than companies
like Adobe and Macromedia (sorry, big guys -- I love your apps but your docs
are slender), Rev seems to be a step ahead of the game.

Writing a complex app that allow programmers to author a single code base
for deployment on nearly all major platforms is a non-trvial task.  If you
need a more finished version for your evaluation, you may want to wait until
Rev 2.0 hits at least beta.

-- 
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 Fourth World Media Corporation
 Developer of WebMerge 2.2: Publish any database on any site
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From revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com  Mon Feb  3 11:09:01 2003
From: revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com (Bernard Devlin)
Date: Mon Feb  3 11:09:01 2003
Subject: pre-beta
In-Reply-To: <a05210202ba6433ed0294@[128.196.99.206]>
References: <000901c2c22f$bf6fc5a0$50231e3e@Jez2> <a05210202ba6433ed0294@[128.196.99.206]>
Message-ID: <200302031608.LAA31832@www.runrev.com>

I have been starting to have the same suspicion myself.  It does seem a bit
strange to have announced 2.0 (along with screenshots) in November.

I know that I bought my license for 1.1.1 on the basis that the release of 2.0
was imminent.  And a friend who I introduced to Rev has written an application
that really needs some features in 2.0, and she bought the her 1.1.1 license on
the basis that 2.0 was imminent.

If we are talking about a pre-beta of 2.0 that is two months late (with many of
the promised features not yet implemented).  I do not see how it is possible to
have issued a public statement in October that Rev 2.0 was "to ship in November"
if by the beginning of Feb all that is available is a "pre Beta".  To my mind
"to ship" means "to be able to fufill orders for a product", suggesting that the
beta and testing stages are over.

Looks like there has been some bad marketing or some bad project management.
Seems rather out of character for Runrev.

Bernard

> hi:  i am sorry to say this, but i am feeling as if i was taken for a 
> ride here.  wasn't the story in november that the reason for not 
> releasing 2.0 as scheduled was thorough testing and what not?  and 
> now i am reading on the list that the pre(!!)-beta cannot open some 
> stacks properly, and some stuff (apparently a lot) is not even yet 
> implemented!  that doesn't sound like a product in testing phase 
> (thus *pre* beta).
> 	i would really encourage you guys up there in scottland to 
> tell us what the real problem is.  i cannot believe this "testing" 
> argument any more.  honestly, i don't care whether it takes another 
> year to release the final version (because the current version is 
> working for me) -- just put the cards on the table.
> 	best, olli.


From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Feb  3 11:27:00 2003
From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel)
Date: Mon Feb  3 11:27:00 2003
Subject: Distribution builder alters stack window size?
Message-ID: <p05100302ba643e15ddd1@[62.30.170.67]>

Folks

I'm making my first tentative steps towards building cross-platform 
apps (distributions). I am developing on a Mac (MacOS 9.2.2) and I've 
been careful to allow space at the top of each stack for the Windows 
menus, which I can show or hide using the appropriate button on the 
Properties Palette while doing development. When I build a 
Distribution for MacOSX and/or Windows, the stacks which have menus 
are cut off at the bottom by something like 24 pixels, and when I 
reopen the app in the development environment, these stacks are still 
cut off and have to be restored by hand. Stacks without menus, such 
as splash screens seem unaffected

I've read as much as there is (not much, IMO) about the Distribution 
Builder, but I can't see what I've done wrong. Any help would be 
appreciated.

BTW I should also say that while the whole app works fine in the 
development environment, parts of it are extremely slow on a (fairly 
slow) PC, and totally glue-like using Virtual PC on my Mac. I think 
these parts involve some specific types of looping within the app, 
but I'm not sure what approach to take to find out where the problem 
lies.

TIA

Graham
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------
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From wmb at internettrainer.com  Mon Feb  3 11:57:01 2003
From: wmb at internettrainer.com (Wolfgang M. Bereuter)
Date: Mon Feb  3 11:57:01 2003
Subject: who knows BlueShiftSoftware?
In-Reply-To: <20030203102921.78637.qmail@www.boxfrog.com>
Message-ID: <FE344D66-3797-11D7-8B66-003065430226@internettrainer.com>

On Montag, Februar 3, 2003, at 11:29  Uhr, miscdas at boxfrog.com wrote:

> Maybe this will help you
> http://www.blueshiftsoftware.com
> info at blueshiftsoftware.com
> 719 Hasting St
> Vancouver, BC
> 604-893-7004

Thanks but he knows that. But did not get any answer since about half a 
year. It is a - one page site- at the moment without any further 
information.
>
regards
Wolfgang M. Bereuter

Learn easy with trainingsmaps?

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From alrice at ARCplanning.com  Mon Feb  3 12:05:01 2003
From: alrice at ARCplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Mon Feb  3 12:05:01 2003
Subject: pre-beta
In-Reply-To: <a05210202ba6433ed0294@[128.196.99.206]>
Message-ID: <AFD5710A-3798-11D7-89C8-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>

On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 08:04  AM, Oliver Hardt wrote:
>
> 	i would really encourage you guys up there in scottland to tell us 
> what the real problem is.  i cannot believe this "testing" argument 
> any more.  honestly, i don't care whether it takes another year to 
> release the final version (because the current version is working for 
> me) -- just put the cards on the table.

It should have been called Alpha 17 instead of Pre-Beta.

But think about it from their perspective at RunRev. Damned if they do, 
Damned if they don't. People will be complaining either way until 2.0 
is actually released. Not an easy situation to be in.

Personally I was just frustrated because I really wanted to do some 
serious testing and start learning some of the new 2.0 features, but am 
not able to because the IDE is still too buggy to work with. However 
I've only been programming RunRev for a couple of months; so I'm not 
the best judge of how far along it is really.

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From bornstein at designeq.com  Mon Feb  3 12:24:00 2003
From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Mon Feb  3 12:24:00 2003
Subject: Distribution builder alters stack window size?
Message-ID: <200302031719.h13HJdOU024776@ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com>

> When I build a 
>Distribution for MacOSX and/or Windows, the stacks which have menus 
>are cut off at the bottom by something like 24 pixels, and when I 
>reopen the app in the development environment, these stacks are still 
>cut off and have to be restored by hand. Stacks without menus, such 
>as splash screens seem unaffected
>
>I've read as much as there is (not much, IMO) about the Distribution 
>Builder, but I can't see what I've done wrong. Any help would be 
>appreciated.

I've recently run into this same problem. The distribution builder is 
supposed to create systems that are platform aware. So that on a PC, the 
stack is enlarged to show the menus at the top of the window, but on a 
Mac, the same stack is shrunk to hide the menus since they appear in the 
menu bar.

For some reason, on my last build, it didn't seem to work very well. My 
Windows stack had the bottom of the stack cut off (but the Mac stack was 
ok).

So, I decided to simply control this stuff myself. It's very easy.

Within the On Openstack handler:

if the platform = "win32" then -- adjust the stack to the size you want 
for Windows
  set the height of this stack to [whatever you need]
else -- Now handle the Mac platform
  set the height of this stack to [the appropriate Mac height]
end if

Note that in my case, I'm only developing for Mac or PC so my little 
check doesn't take into account the Unix platform.

Regards,

Howard Bornstein
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From jhurley at infostations.com  Mon Feb  3 13:04:00 2003
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Mon Feb  3 13:04:00 2003
Subject: Storing images
In-Reply-To: <200302031702.MAA00889@www.runrev.com>
References: <200302031702.MAA00889@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05010404ba645abc4606@[66.81.214.21]>

>Jim Hurley wrote:
>I think I recall a tip on this list some time ago on reducing file size.
>
>I have an image which is used on more than one card. Rather than
>import the image as a control to each card separately, is there a
>single place within the stack from which it might be called as
>reference to each card?  I hope to avoid the complication that comes
>from calling the image as a reference from a separate file stored on
>disk.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jim
>
>--__--__--
>Malte Brill wrote:
>
>Hi Jim,
>
>you can import the image once, then create a button on each card as a
>placeholder for that image and set the buttons icon property to the ID of
>the image you have imported.
>Or you can create a group containing your image and set it?s
>backgroundBehavior to true.
>
>Hope that helps,
>
>Malte
>


Thanks Malte.

It all comes back to me now. That is exactly what I wanted. But, as 
they say, I  have a follow up question.

I would like to use your button suggestion. (Not having a really good 
grasp of backgrounds, I worry about groups with background behavior 
attaching themselves to the  next card. My apologies for not closely 
following the recent background thread. I am a selective learner.)

I will lock the size and position of the image on the first card and, 
on the second card, define a button with  the image as the icon. That 
works just  fine. I find I am free to move the button/icon anywhere 
on the second card but not change the size. Is it possible in an 
openCard script to alter the size of the icon previously defined on 
the first card, or am I locked into the size determined by the image 
on the  first card? Am I make myself clear?

Jim


From pixelbird at interisland.net  Mon Feb  3 14:06:01 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Mon Feb  3 14:06:01 2003
Subject: Image still cut off
In-Reply-To: <200302030911.EAA17893@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA640133.6B0A%pixelbird@interisland.net>

Well members,

This is probably the single thing that has prevented me from getting full on
into RR.

For many months, I go back in from time to time and try to get my full
screen 800x600 pixel jpeg image to show in the dev environment with no
success.

I've been told the menus (which are really buttons emulating the Mac menubar
in the dev environment, right?) push the image down. But I have moved it
back up to where the bottom is where it belongs (when I reopen it is where I
put it OK), but then the top of it disappears down about an inch from the
top of the screen. With the icon bar closed, I can see the Mac desktop, but
not the image. With the icon bar on, I can see about 1/4" of the desktop
between it and the top of the visible image, where it's cut off.

If I move the image down, the cuttoff area at the top will come into view at
the cutoff line (so I know it's all there), which is, as I said, down about
an inch from the top of the screen, but then, of course the bottom of the
image is off screen at the bottom.

I've played with the image properties, stack properties, removed the image
and put it back, deleted the stack and made a new one with the image in it,
tried locking it, tried all the suggestions (I think, however maybe I missed
something).

So far, I have _never_ been able to view the full screen image. I didn't
have this problem in HC, it goes where it goes, and when I click cmd/space
the menubar hides and the whole image is visible.

I understand it may have something to do with Rev's Mac menu buttons, but
why an inch? How come I can see the desktop but not that part of the image?

All I want is for the full 800x600 image to show in its entirety. I don't
mind if some dev windows cover it, like the tool palettes, as long as I can
remove them and _know_ the image is actually all there. I'm going crazy
here. I'm sorry, a number of people have given some instruction about this,
but nothing seems to work. I really need someone to lead me step by step [
1), 2), 3), ], I guess, because I just don't get it...

Help,
Ken N.



From kevin at runrev.com  Mon Feb  3 14:30:01 2003
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Mon Feb  3 14:30:01 2003
Subject: how to download v2.0
In-Reply-To: <40D144CC1099D311A0440008C74C54CF1628FA@exchange.dataflight.dk>
Message-ID: <BA6472A7.10F26%kevin@runrev.com>

On 3/2/03 3:22 pm, Bisser Milanov <BM at dataflight.dk> wrote:

> I can't download the beta 2.0 the link below is not valid.
> http://www.runrev.com/revolution/downloads/distributions/2.0/revolution.exe
> 
> Is there another link for download? I see that download for Mac works but
> for windows it doesn't.

The build for that platform wasn't up earlier, but it is now - please try
again.

Kevin

Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
Tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165.  Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707.



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Mon Feb  3 14:46:01 2003
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon Feb  3 14:46:01 2003
Subject: Storing images 
In-Reply-To: <BA644061.346%malte.brill@t-online.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0302031137430.25572-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Wow!  What an inelegant "solution".  Is there some technical reason it has
to be that way?  Even though it involved the use of the dreaded resource
fork, the Hypercard way of importing such things as images, sounds and the
like ONCE and then being able to intuitively (as far as addColor anything
was ever intuitive) reach out and grab any of these things was nice...

Thanks for the solution, though.. I had been wondering as well.

Judy

On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Malte Brill wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>
> you can import the image once, then create a button on each card as a
> placeholder for that image and set the buttons icon property to the ID of
> the image you have imported.
> Or you can create a group containing your image and set it?s
> backgroundBehavior to true.



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Mon Feb  3 14:56:01 2003
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon Feb  3 14:56:01 2003
Subject: pre-beta
In-Reply-To: <200302031608.LAA31832@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0302031145150.25572-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Are we all setting up the company for failure or something?  First we have
our favorite resident troll who keeps repeating the v-charge, the company
gives us the pre-beta (to which we're really not entitled not having paid
for one of the pro-licenses) to show the v-charge to be false, and then we
all whine about how buggy/incomplete the pre-beta is.

I haven't taken a look at the latest version but I was pretty happy with
the alpha I saw last November or whenever it was.

What, does v.1 not work?  Think that Maromedia does any better? (HOW long
did Mac users have to wait for an OSX/MX version?!).

And, no, I have not been temporarily possessed...  No need to call out the
exorcists.

:(

Judy

On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Bernard Devlin wrote:

> I have been starting to have the same suspicion myself.  It does seem a bit
> strange to have announced 2.0 (along with screenshots) in November.
>
> I know that I bought my license for 1.1.1 on the basis that the release of 2.0
> was imminent.  And a friend who I introduced to Rev has written an application
> that really needs some features in 2.0, and she bought the her 1.1.1 license on
> the basis that 2.0 was imminent.



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Feb  3 15:51:01 2003
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon Feb  3 15:51:01 2003
Subject: Storing images 
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0302031137430.25572-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <013f01c2cbc5$9e51ec00$6601a8c0@mckinley.dom>

Judy,

In a cross-platform world, there aren't resource forks on both sides of the
fence, unfortunately, so we need to make do. Now the inelegant solution is
only true if you want the images *embedded* into the stacks; if you don't,
you can leave them on disk and reference them as many times as you like from
wherever you like.

There is also something which is almost as straightforward, although it
makes a copy of an image rather than referencing it, but you could do this
in a pinch:

  put img x into img y

and then to clear it out (so you don't store the "extra" data), you can do:

  put "" into img y

Nice thing about Rev/MC - lots of different ways to get what you want... :-)

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Judy Perry" <jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: Storing images


> Wow!  What an inelegant "solution".  Is there some technical reason it has
> to be that way?  Even though it involved the use of the dreaded resource
> fork, the Hypercard way of importing such things as images, sounds and the
> like ONCE and then being able to intuitively (as far as addColor anything
> was ever intuitive) reach out and grab any of these things was nice...
>
> Thanks for the solution, though.. I had been wondering as well.
>
> Judy
>
> On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Malte Brill wrote:
>
> > Hi Jim,
> >
> > you can import the image once, then create a button on each card as a
> > placeholder for that image and set the buttons icon property to the ID
of
> > the image you have imported.
> > Or you can create a group containing your image and set it?s
> > backgroundBehavior to true.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From alrice at ARCplanning.com  Mon Feb  3 16:16:01 2003
From: alrice at ARCplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Mon Feb  3 16:16:01 2003
Subject: pre-beta
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0302031145150.25572-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <132E0F52-37BC-11D7-89C8-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>

On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 12:51  PM, Judy Perry wrote:

> ... and then we
> all whine about how buggy/incomplete the pre-beta is.

I don't want my posts to be misinterpreted: I'm not knocking RunRev. 
v1.1.1 is an excellent product. I'm just expressing my frustration at 
wanting to test-drive 2.0 but being *unable to do it* in the current 
state. Chomping at the bits here, that's all.

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From miscdas at boxfrog.com  Mon Feb  3 17:16:01 2003
From: miscdas at boxfrog.com (miscdas at boxfrog.com)
Date: Mon Feb  3 17:16:01 2003
Subject: pre-beta
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0302031145150.25572-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu> 
References: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0302031145150.25572-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <20030203221212.31816.qmail@www.boxfrog.com>

Judy Perry writes:
[snip]
> Are we all setting up the company for failure or something? 

"We?"  "They" made the marketing announcements and promotions. 

> First we have our favorite resident troll... 

Such compliments. I hope I can meet your expectations. 


>we all whine about how buggy/incomplete the pre-beta is.

It seems you've missed the point. 

> What, does v.1 not work?  Think that Maromedia does any better? (HOW long
> did Mac users have to wait for an OSX/MX version?!).

Why compare? Why not let Revolution stand on its own merits and track 
record? You're really just saying "The Rev team and Revolution are no better 
than Macromedia and their products." 

> And, no, I have not been temporarily possessed...  No need to call out the exorcists.

More likely permanantly possessed. 

> :( 
> 
> Judy 
> 
> On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Bernard Devlin wrote: 
> 
>> I have been starting to have the same suspicion myself.  It does seem a bit
>> strange to have announced 2.0 (along with screenshots) in November. 
>>

========
miscdas


From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  3 18:08:01 2003
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (erik hansen)
Date: Mon Feb  3 18:08:01 2003
Subject: Pre-Beta for 2.0 for Mac OS
In-Reply-To: <BF83E3B8-3756-11D7-A02D-003065430226@internettrainer.com>
Message-ID: <20030203230341.75868.qmail@web20009.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "Wolfgang M. Bereuter"
<wmb at internettrainer.com> wrote:

> if you are looking for the classical stable
> scripting product - its 
> here: called MC!

could there be an advantage to developing an app
in RR then running it in MC? 

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From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  3 18:27:01 2003
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (erik hansen)
Date: Mon Feb  3 18:27:01 2003
Subject: Storing images 
In-Reply-To: <013f01c2cbc5$9e51ec00$6601a8c0@mckinley.dom>
Message-ID: <20030203232238.65259.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Ken Ray <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote:

> Now the inelegant solution is
> only true if you want the images *embedded*
> into the stacks; if you don't,
> you can leave them on disk and reference
them...

did anyone ever benchmark the difference btw the
two approaches?

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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Feb  3 18:27:17 2003
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon Feb  3 18:27:17 2003
Subject: Pre-Beta for 2.0 for Mac OS
References: <20030203230341.75868.qmail@web20009.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <016901c2cbdb$6ab61770$6601a8c0@mckinley.dom>

> > if you are looking for the classical stable
> > scripting product - its
> > here: called MC!
>
> could there be an advantage to developing an app
> in RR then running it in MC?

Two that I can think of - one is that you may be able to develop faster in
Rev because of all the help that the IDE gives you (vs. MC where a bunch of
stuff needs to be done with your own tool or through the message box); the
other is that you may be able to take advantage of bug fixes in the engine
which haven't made their way into Rev yet. For example, suppose MC releases
2.5 at the same time as Rev 2.0. If MC finds and squashes some bugs in 2.5.1
and it takes a couple of months for RR to upgrade to the new engine, you can
take advantage of the fixes in MC early.

That said, you also can run into serious problems going from Rev to MC as
well... if you're using add ons (like the XML external, database externals,
etc.) or taking advantage of the main Rev scripting library calls (like
revGoURL), you won't be able to utilize them in MC.

Just my $0.02,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/



From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  3 18:34:01 2003
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (erik hansen)
Date: Mon Feb  3 18:34:01 2003
Subject: Pre-Beta for 2.0 for Mac OS
In-Reply-To: <016901c2cbdb$6ab61770$6601a8c0@mckinley.dom>
Message-ID: <20030203232956.43987.qmail@web20003.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Ken Ray <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote:
> > > if you are looking for the classical stable
> > > scripting product - its
> > > here: called MC!
> >
> > could there be an advantage to developing an
> app
> > in RR then running it in MC?
> 
> Two that I can think of - one is that you may
> be able to develop faster in
> Rev because of all the help that the IDE gives
> you (vs. MC where a bunch of
> stuff needs to be done with your own tool or
> through the message box); the
> other is that you may be able to take advantage
> of bug fixes in the engine
> which haven't made their way into Rev yet. For
> example, suppose MC releases
> 2.5 at the same time as Rev 2.0. If MC finds
> and squashes some bugs in 2.5.1
> and it takes a couple of months for RR to
> upgrade to the new engine, you can
> take advantage of the fixes in MC early.
> 
> That said, you also can run into serious
> problems going from Rev to MC as
> well... if you're using add ons (like the XML
> external, database externals,
> etc.) or taking advantage of the main Rev
> scripting library calls (like
> revGoURL), you won't be able to utilize them in
> MC.

thanks, food for thought.

guess i was wondering about stability in
standalones, all of the above considered.

the thing is, it just FEELS better to work in RR.

except that i miss the MC tool that showed all of
the controls grouped by groups.

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From diskot123 at juno.com  Mon Feb  3 19:05:00 2003
From: diskot123 at juno.com (Tuviah M Snyder)
Date: Mon Feb  3 19:05:00 2003
Subject: pre-beta
Message-ID: <20030203.185835.1756.1.diskot123@juno.com>

>Are we all setting up the company for failure or something?  First we
have
>our favorite resident troll who keeps repeating the v-charge, the
company
>gives us the pre-beta (to which we're really not entitled not having
paid
>for one of the pro-licenses) to show the v-charge to be false, and then
we
>all whine about how buggy/incomplete the pre-beta is.
Well aside from the interface, which I'm happy to see is being
simplified, the engine is in good shape (I would even say it's almost
post-beta:-). You all now have an opportunity to test it. I'm personally
look forward to feedback on Unicode, drag&drop, those pulsating buttons
you guys ask for, sheets, the new debugger, XML, the videograbber,
postgresql, sound recording, windowshapes, ect. 

Tuviah Snyder <tuviah at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon Feb  3 19:06:00 2003
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon Feb  3 19:06:00 2003
Subject: Storing images 
In-Reply-To: <20030203232238.65259.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BA64430C.5FDF%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, "erik hansen"  wrote:

>> Now the inelegant solution is
>> only true if you want the images *embedded*
>> into the stacks; if you don't,
>> you can leave them on disk and reference
> them...
> 
> did anyone ever benchmark the difference btw the
> two approaches?

There's no foolproof way to benchmark this since there are several factors
that affect the speed to display an image: the size of the image/s, number
of images on the current card, the speed of the host machine, available
memory, etc.  Generally, it will take a split second or so reference an
external image, versus near-immediate display of an embedded image.  Unless
you're working with huge or heavily compressed images, you won't see any
major difference.

The benefit of referencing external files is ease of file management (you
add and remove images from an external 'images' directory at will), and
potentially lower memory requirements, if you reference the images only when
needed.  If you have 100MB worth of images, it does little good to embed all
of them into your stack since your stack will require 100+MB of memory to
run.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  3 19:12:01 2003
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (erik hansen)
Date: Mon Feb  3 19:12:01 2003
Subject: MC tool showed controls grouped by groups
In-Reply-To: <20030203232956.43987.qmail@web20003.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030204000734.58135.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com>

> MC tool showed controls grouped by groups.


ahhhhh. the little blue triangle to the right of
Application Overview shows the "detailed
information". you don't even have to script in a
handler for the IDs as in MC.

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From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  3 19:15:00 2003
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (erik hansen)
Date: Mon Feb  3 19:15:00 2003
Subject: Storing images 
In-Reply-To: <BA64430C.5FDF%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <20030204001055.6685.qmail@web20010.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:
> 
> The benefit of referencing external files is
> ease of file management (you
> add and remove images from an external 'images'
> directory at will), and
> potentially lower memory requirements, if you
> reference the images only when needed.

any benefit of importing the image files?

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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon Feb  3 20:10:01 2003
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon Feb  3 20:10:01 2003
Subject: Storing images 
In-Reply-To: <20030204001055.6685.qmail@web20010.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BA64520C.5FE5%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, "erik hansen"  wrote:

>> The benefit of referencing external files is
>> ease of file management (you
>> add and remove images from an external 'images'
>> directory at will), and
>> potentially lower memory requirements, if you
>> reference the images only when needed.
> 
> any benefit of importing the image files?

Sure.  If you only have a few images, or your images consist of only a few K
in filesize, managing them externally is probably not worth the effort.
Just use a little common sense when deciding where to place your images.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  3 20:49:01 2003
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (erik hansen)
Date: Mon Feb  3 20:49:01 2003
Subject: Storing images 
In-Reply-To: <BA64520C.5FE5%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <20030204014518.77951.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:
> Recently, "erik hansen"  wrote:
> 
> >> The benefit of referencing external files is
> >> ease of file management (you
> >> add and remove images from an external
> 'images'
> >> directory at will), and
> >> potentially lower memory requirements, if
> you
> >> reference the images only when needed.
> > 
> > any benefit of importing the image files?
> 
> Sure.  If you only have a few images, or your
> images consist of only a few K
> in filesize, managing them externally is
> probably not worth the effort.
> Just use a little common sense when deciding
> where to place your images.

thanks, my situation is somewhere in the middle,
so an experiment will be in order.


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From katir at hindu.org  Mon Feb  3 23:32:01 2003
From: katir at hindu.org (Sannyasin Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon Feb  3 23:32:01 2003
Subject: Unsharp Mask Filter on images? 
Message-ID: <F9E73DA3-37F8-11D7-856D-003065FB9830@hindu.org>

I know I'm probably crazy to expect Rev do just do absolutely anything 
we want..

But, has anyone attempted creating filters for images using the 
imageData... is it even possible? Only on .png files with alpha 
channels?

In particular I would love to be able to run an unsharp mask pass over 
digital images that are down sized for web deployment -- amount 62, 
radius 1 pixel, threshold zero

Presently we do this in Adobe's Image Ready and it really makes a very 
big difference in the quality of a picture going up for on screen 
viewing.

Sannyasin Sivakatirswami
Himalayan Academy Publications
at Kauai's Hindu Monastery
katir at hindu.org

www.HimalayanAcademy.com,
www.HinduismToday.com
www.Gurudeva.org
www.Hindu.org



From katir at hindu.org  Mon Feb  3 23:50:01 2003
From: katir at hindu.org (Sannyasin Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon Feb  3 23:50:01 2003
Subject: Storing images 
In-Reply-To: <BA64520C.5FE5%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <8294A2C0-37FB-11D7-856D-003065FB9830@hindu.org>

I'll chime in here for the Rev way of doing it, if you intend to use 
images in multiple instances and even more... if  you want to use those 
same images  at  different sizes in different instances...

Having used the "store image in a substack, call via button icon image 
ID" method... I would say, though it may seem a little like a work 
around that... works very well.

Also I have had trouble with changing image sizes in pre-open card 
handlers for images that are part of a background group... but those 
same display problems went away when I put the image in a substack and 
programatically changed the size of the image that is stored in the 
substack, in preopen card handlers. The subsequent button instance 
display always works as expected., such that multiple "instances"  
across different cards can be of different sizes with zero additional 
overhead in terms of speed. If you keep the images on disk, forget it...

There is one "gotcha" here though.. watching out for shifting ID's as 
you import new images...

How would one use this? imagine full screen images that later in our 
presentation become small thumbnails which have all the attributes of a 
button...



On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 03:06 PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> Recently, "erik hansen"  wrote:
>
>>> The benefit of referencing external files is
>>> ease of file management (you
>>> add and remove images from an external 'images'
>>> directory at will), and
>>> potentially lower memory requirements, if you
>>> reference the images only when needed.
>>
>> any benefit of importing the image files?
>
> Sure.  If you only have a few images, or your images consist of only a 
> few K
> in filesize, managing them externally is probably not worth the effort.
> Just use a little common sense when deciding where to place your 
> images.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue Feb  4 00:14:01 2003
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue Feb  4 00:14:01 2003
Subject: Storing images 
In-Reply-To: <013f01c2cbc5$9e51ec00$6601a8c0@mckinley.dom>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0302032102310.14954-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Ken,

I understand that the resource fork thing was very MacClassic oriented.
Still, one wonders why there isn't a ca 1987 elegant, modern solution in
2003.

Yes, there are many different ways of doing one thing; problem is, it
doesn't matter if they're all equally inelegant/non-intuitive.

Maybe it's the non-assembly code programmer in me, but it's just not clear
why, once you've embedded something, you have to re-embed it with each
usage.  This is just nuts.  This results in bloatware.

Sorry -- not a personal attack.  Really.

Judy

 On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Ken Ray wrote:

> Judy,
>
> In a cross-platform world, there aren't resource forks on both sides of the
> fence, unfortunately, so we need to make do. Now the inelegant solution is
> only true if you want the images *embedded* into the stacks; if you don't,
> you can leave them on disk and reference them as many times as you like from
> wherever you like.



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue Feb  4 00:15:01 2003
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue Feb  4 00:15:01 2003
Subject: pre-beta
In-Reply-To: <20030203221212.31816.qmail@www.boxfrog.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0302032110520.14954-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Miscdas:

BITE ME.

Judy

On Mon, 3 Feb 2003 miscdas at boxfrog.com wrote:



From Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi  Tue Feb  4 01:24:01 2003
From: Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Esa_Kivel=E4?=)
Date: Tue Feb  4 01:24:01 2003
Subject: VS: pre-beta
Message-ID: <961D94BBE7448D4C8E4440CB7920D9E02AD62A@ktk7.ad.kuluttajatutkimuskeskus.fi>


> -----Alkuper?inen viesti-----
> L?hett?j?: Kevin Miller [mailto:kevin at runrev.com]
> L?hetetty: 3. helmikuuta 2003 17:19
> Vastaanottaja: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Aihe: Re: pre-beta

> 
> We called it a pre-beta because there are still a handful of 
> features being
> completed.  But when you look at the entire feature set and what *is*
> present, you will note that just about everything *is* there 
> now, and its a
> long list of new features, present and correct.  The stuff that isn't
> included is a very short list.  That long list of features has been in
> testing for some time, >

Btw, did You guys fix in RR 2.0 that printing problem wich prints many pages ie. from text field and in the pages are only few lines of text per page?

EsaK


From Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi  Tue Feb  4 01:29:00 2003
From: Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Esa_Kivel=E4?=)
Date: Tue Feb  4 01:29:00 2003
Subject: VS: pre-beta
Message-ID: <961D94BBE7448D4C8E4440CB7920D9E02AD62B@ktk7.ad.kuluttajatutkimuskeskus.fi>


> -----Alkuper?inen viesti-----
> L?hett?j?: Bernard Devlin [mailto:revolution at knowledgeworks.plus.com]
> L?hetetty: 3. helmikuuta 2003 18:03
> Vastaanottaja: use-revolution
> Aihe: Re: pre-beta

> If we are talking about a pre-beta of 2.0 that is two months 
> late (with many of
> the promised features not yet implemented).  I do not see how 
> it is possible to
> have issued a public statement in October that Rev 2.0 was 
> "to ship in November"
> if by the beginning of Feb all that is available is a "pre 
> Beta".  To my mind
> "to ship" means "to be able to fufill orders for a product", 
> suggesting that the
> beta and testing stages are over.

Some idea: can RR team puts some information in to their www pages hows thet RR 2.0 proges goes? There is some "shipping soon" statement but not any info what is actually goining with RR 2.0 and when its about coming out.

EsaK 


From Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi  Tue Feb  4 01:32:00 2003
From: Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Esa_Kivel=E4?=)
Date: Tue Feb  4 01:32:00 2003
Subject: VS: pre-beta
Message-ID: <961D94BBE7448D4C8E4440CB7920D9E02AD62C@ktk7.ad.kuluttajatutkimuskeskus.fi>


> -----Alkuper?inen viesti-----
> L?hett?j?: Alex Rice [mailto:alrice at ARCplanning.com]
> L?hetetty: 3. helmikuuta 2003 18:58
> Vastaanottaja: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Aihe: Re: pre-beta

> 
> But think about it from their perspective at RunRev. Damned 
> if they do, 
> Damned if they don't. People will be complaining either way until 2.0 
> is actually released. Not an easy situation to be in.

*EsaK nods* I agree that! Thumbs up to the RR team :-)
> 
> Personally I was just frustrated because I really wanted to do some 
> serious testing and start learning some of the new 2.0 
> features, but am 
> not able to because the IDE is still too buggy to work with. However 
> I've only been programming RunRev for a couple of months; so I'm not 
> the best judge of how far along it is really.

I wait it too hining little bit information what's coing on.

EsaK 


From eudio at chabashira.co.jp  Tue Feb  4 01:50:01 2003
From: eudio at chabashira.co.jp (UDI)
Date: Tue Feb  4 01:50:01 2003
Subject: Import MIDI file as movie
In-Reply-To: <BD673D63-3775-11D7-B31D-0003936D1F12@snet.net>
References: <BD673D63-3775-11D7-B31D-0003936D1F12@snet.net>
Message-ID: <20030204064551.9646@mail.chabashira.co.jp>

-- I was not able to send an email to Mr.Kurt Kaufman.
-- I write a reply here.

It is not audioClip. Import it in videoClip.

QT naturally recognizes data type automatically.
Therefore, QT can handle MIDI data as a kind of movie data.
(Perhaps QT looks at a header ('MThd') and will convert it in inside)

But, from the time of QT3(or 4?), QT did not recognize MIDI data well.

I tried it many times, sometimes successful, but the most were failure.
I do not understand the reason...


UDI
eudio at chabashira.co.jp
http://member.nifty.ne.jp/UDI/


From curry at kagi.com  Tue Feb  4 04:34:01 2003
From: curry at kagi.com (Curry)
Date: Tue Feb  4 04:34:01 2003
Subject: Pre-Beta for 2.0 for Mac OS
In-Reply-To: <200302032336.SAA11051@www.runrev.com>
References: <200302032336.SAA11051@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05111b00ba6519dd0ba4@[68.34.213.220]>

One more thing about the new property palette--maybe there should 
still be a menu item in the option menu, or a button, to go to the 
object's script. Although the script won't open in the palette, it 
will still make a lot of sense to go from one to the other.

Best wishes,

Curry


From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Feb  4 04:45:01 2003
From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel)
Date: Tue Feb  4 04:45:01 2003
Subject: Distribution builder alters stack window size?
Message-ID: <p05100300ba653a3c33c5@[62.30.170.67]>

On Mon, 3 Feb 2003 12:19:38 -0500  Howard Bornstein 
<bornstein at designeq.com> wrote:
>
>I've recently run into this same problem. The distribution builder is
>supposed to create systems that are platform aware. So that on a PC, the
>stack is enlarged to show the menus at the top of the window, but on a
>Mac, the same stack is shrunk to hide the menus since they appear in the
>menu bar.
>
>For some reason, on my last build, it didn't seem to work very well. My
>Windows stack had the bottom of the stack cut off (but the Mac stack was
>ok).
>
>So, I decided to simply control this stuff myself. It's very easy.
>
>Within the On Openstack handler:
>
>if the platform = "win32" then -- adjust the stack to the size you want
>for Windows
>   set the height of this stack to [whatever you need]
>else -- Now handle the Mac platform
>   set the height of this stack to [the appropriate Mac height]
>end if
>
>Note that in my case, I'm only developing for Mac or PC so my little
>check doesn't take into account the Unix platform.

Thanks Howard, my requirements are the same as yours (no Unix) so 
I'll copy what you're doing. This does seem to be a bug - only some 
of my builds are affected, and I can't work out what I've changed 
between the ones that work and the ones that don't work... maybe it 
will all go away in version 2.0 but in this instance I can't wait to 
find out.

Anyway very useful tip.

Graham
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From philpez at mac.com  Tue Feb  4 04:58:00 2003
From: philpez at mac.com (Philippe PEZARD)
Date: Tue Feb  4 04:58:00 2003
Subject: stop the war about 2.0...
Message-ID: <7B9FEA8B-3826-11D7-88FD-003065C5B02E@mac.com>

the user-revolution list became a battle field !
Stop the war, please and let each of us going back to it job :
- common users to learn more with 1.1 version (I'm one)
- "great" users to test 2.0 version in this post alpha pre beta version 
  :-)
- and, more important, let the developpers of runrev use all their time 
to developp and not to debate on this forum.
Why put the pression on them ? Would somebody be really happy if they 
release more soon than possible a "definite" public release with much 
bugs ?

Conditions for peace are simple :
- user learn to be patient
- developper work well, as quickly as possible
- marketing of run rev prolonge the delay for free-upgrade from 1.1 
version

... no, i'm not working at UNO, but tomorrow, who know .... :-)

Dr Philippe PEZARD -
Cardiologie Nucl?aire - Cardiologie P?diatrique
CHU Angers - France

Vous ?tes int?ress?s par la recherche m?dicale ?
Alors, visitez le site du CCPPRB d'Angers : 
http://www.ccpprb-angers.fr.st


From jbradshaw at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Feb  4 05:23:00 2003
From: jbradshaw at blueyonder.co.uk (Jez)
Date: Tue Feb  4 05:23:00 2003
Subject: Grid / Table control
Message-ID: <00a401c2cc36$d54da110$d3841f3e@Jez2>

I dont wish to join the debate about WHEN the final version 2.0 will ship,
but just wish to ask : will it include a grid / table control ? This is the
most useful control in data-intensive GUI applications I think. Tabbed list
controls just wont suffice.

NB. It's interesting to note that the much vaunted Microsoft .NET visual
studio environment has a basic windows forms grid control but it's not very
flexible (albeit it is extensible apparently, though God knows how), so come
on Rev guys, do something well that Microsoft don't!



From Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi  Tue Feb  4 06:02:01 2003
From: Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Esa_Kivel=E4?=)
Date: Tue Feb  4 06:02:01 2003
Subject: newbie:visuall effect
Message-ID: <961D94BBE7448D4C8E4440CB7920D9E02AD630@ktk7.ad.kuluttajatutkimuskeskus.fi>

greetinsg again:

Hmmm i try to do some visual effect as dissolve slow ie. to show text field. move between cards but that effect dosen't happen in RR..

Like show cd btn "this and that" wiht visual effect dissolve slow

Nothing happend...

Is there some default settings on in RR or something?

Yours

EsaK 


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  4 06:06:00 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Tue Feb  4 06:06:00 2003
Subject: newbie:visuall effect
In-Reply-To: <961D94BBE7448D4C8E4440CB7920D9E02AD630@ktk7.ad.kuluttajatutkimuskeskus.fi>
Message-ID: <20030204110216.31440.qmail@web11903.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Esa_Kivel? <Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi> wrote:
> greetinsg again:
> 
> Hmmm i try to do some visual effect as dissolve slow
> ie. to show text field. move between cards but that
> effect dosen't happen in RR..
> 
> Like show cd btn "this and that" wiht visual effect
> dissolve slow
> 
> Nothing happend...
> 
> Is there some default settings on in RR or
> something?
> 
> Yours
> 
> EsaK 

Hi Esa,

Try this:
  lock screen
  show cd btn "Foobar"
  unlock screen with visual effect dissolve slow

Hope this helped,

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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  4 06:17:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Tue Feb  4 06:17:01 2003
Subject: Grid / Table control
In-Reply-To: <00a401c2cc36$d54da110$d3841f3e@Jez2>
Message-ID: <20030204111242.56158.qmail@web11905.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Jez <jbradshaw at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> I dont wish to join the debate about WHEN the final
> version 2.0 will ship,
> but just wish to ask : will it include a grid /
> table control ? This is the
> most useful control in data-intensive GUI
> applications I think. Tabbed list
> controls just wont suffice.
> 
> NB. It's interesting to note that the much vaunted
> Microsoft .NET visual
> studio environment has a basic windows forms grid
> control but it's not very
> flexible (albeit it is extensible apparently, though
> God knows how), so come
> on Rev guys, do something well that Microsoft don't!
> 

In RunRev 1.1.1 you can make a field and set its
vertical and horizontal grids to show. You can control
the distance between the vertical lines by setting the
'tabStops' property.
However, in version 1.1.1, the information isn't
clipped if it exceeds the width of the column, and
everything is just shifted to the right -- much like
in Word, where if you type too much, the data after
the tab is shifted to the next tab on its right.

RunRev 2.0 clips the text, so everything that doesn't
fit is automatically truncated for viewing purposes.
Moreover, you can turn a field into a 'Table' field,
where you can allow in-cell editing or not, and can
even apply some formatting settings.
There are no column or row headers though, and you
can't "split" the table or any of that stuff (you
could probably code that yourself if you wanted to)
but it's an enormous advancement already, and I'm sure
you'll see some nice library objects to expand its
abilities.

Hope this answered your question,

Jan Schenkel.

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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  4 06:21:00 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Tue Feb  4 06:21:00 2003
Subject: Distribution builder alters stack window size?
In-Reply-To: <p05100300ba653a3c33c5@[62.30.170.67]>
Message-ID: <20030204111631.56442.qmail@web11905.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Graham Samuel <livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Feb 2003 12:19:38 -0500  Howard Bornstein 
> <bornstein at designeq.com> wrote:
> >
> >I've recently run into this same problem. The
> distribution builder is
> >supposed to create systems that are platform aware.
> So that on a PC, the
> >stack is enlarged to show the menus at the top of
> the window, but on a
> >Mac, the same stack is shrunk to hide the menus
> since they appear in the
> >menu bar.
> >
> >For some reason, on my last build, it didn't seem
> to work very well. My
> >Windows stack had the bottom of the stack cut off
> (but the Mac stack was
> >ok).
> >
> >So, I decided to simply control this stuff myself.
> It's very easy.
> >
> >Within the On Openstack handler:
> >
> >if the platform = "win32" then -- adjust the stack
> to the size you want
> >for Windows
> >   set the height of this stack to [whatever you
> need]
> >else -- Now handle the Mac platform
> >   set the height of this stack to [the appropriate
> Mac height]
> >end if
> >
> >Note that in my case, I'm only developing for Mac
> or PC so my little
> >check doesn't take into account the Unix platform.
> 
> Thanks Howard, my requirements are the same as yours
> (no Unix) so 
> I'll copy what you're doing. This does seem to be a
> bug - only some 
> of my builds are affected, and I can't work out what
> I've changed 
> between the ones that work and the ones that don't
> work... maybe it 
> will all go away in version 2.0 but in this instance
> I can't wait to 
> find out.
> 
> Anyway very useful tip.
> 
> Graham

Hi Graham,

The only thing I can think of that could cause this
shifting is the 'editMenus' property. Have you checked
that?

Hope this helped,

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From Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi  Tue Feb  4 06:23:01 2003
From: Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Esa_Kivel=E4?=)
Date: Tue Feb  4 06:23:01 2003
Subject: VS: newbie:visuall effect
Message-ID: <961D94BBE7448D4C8E4440CB7920D9E02AD631@ktk7.ad.kuluttajatutkimuskeskus.fi>


> -----Alkuper?inen viesti-----
> L?hett?j?: Jan Schenkel [mailto:janschenkel at yahoo.com]
> L?hetetty: 4. helmikuuta 2003 13:02
> Vastaanottaja: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Aihe: Re: newbie:visuall effect
> 
> 
> --- Esa_Kivel? <Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi> wrote:
> > greetinsg again:
> > 
> > Hmmm i try to do some visual effect as dissolve slow
> > ie. to show text field. move between cards but that
> > effect dosen't happen in RR..
> > 
> > Like show cd btn "this and that" wiht visual effect
> > dissolve slow
> > 
> > Nothing happend...
> > 
> > Is there some default settings on in RR or
> > something?
> > 
> > Yours
> > 
> > EsaK 
> 
> Hi Esa,
> 
> Try this:
>   lock screen
>   show cd btn "Foobar"
>   unlock screen with visual effect dissolve slow
> 
> Hope this helped,

Nope: same result. just pop up quickly.

EasK 


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  4 06:23:07 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Tue Feb  4 06:23:07 2003
Subject: Pre-Beta for 2.0 for Mac OS
In-Reply-To: <a05111b00ba6519dd0ba4@[68.34.213.220]>
Message-ID: <20030204111900.57697.qmail@web11907.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Curry <curry at kagi.com> wrote:
> One more thing about the new property palette--maybe
> there should 
> still be a menu item in the option menu, or a
> button, to go to the 
> object's script. Although the script won't open in
> the palette, it 
> will still make a lot of sense to go from one to the
> other.
> 

Or as an icon in the button-row at the top which you
suggested in an earlier post. That would save us quite
a few trips without making things difficult again.

Just my 2 euro-cents,

Jan Schenkel.

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From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Feb  4 06:25:00 2003
From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel)
Date: Tue Feb  4 06:25:00 2003
Subject: Why is my app slow?
Message-ID: <p05100301ba653b467245@[62.30.170.67]>

I've just started using the Distribution Builder in 1.1.1. I've got a 
fairly simple app with no particular speed problems on my G3/400 Mac, 
but when I make it into a separate app, I find that although the 
MacOS 9 and MacOS X (Jaguar) versions work well, the PC version 
appears incredibly slow (admittedly on a slowing PC - a P133 running 
Windows 95 - or on Virtual PC on my Mac which is normally acceptable 
if not wonderfully speedy). The slow bits seem to include the startup 
sequence which opens stacks etc, where the cursor disappears for 
several seconds before stabilising - this is perhaps understandable - 
but worse than this, some (but not all) drags go so slowly that I 
thought the machine had crashed. The whole script being actioned 
during the drag (of a small image object) is

   on mouseDown
    grab me
   end mouseDown

so it doesn't appear at first sight that I can influence the situation.

Can anyone comment on this and maybe suggest a cure (OK, a faster PC 
would be nice, but schools can't always afford them).

TIA

Graham
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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  4 06:31:00 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Tue Feb  4 06:31:00 2003
Subject: VS: newbie:visuall effect
In-Reply-To: <961D94BBE7448D4C8E4440CB7920D9E02AD631@ktk7.ad.kuluttajatutkimuskeskus.fi>
Message-ID: <20030204112712.22717.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Esa_Kivel? <Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi> wrote:
> 
> 
> > -----Alkuper?inen viesti-----
> > L?hett?j?: Jan Schenkel
> [mailto:janschenkel at yahoo.com]
> > L?hetetty: 4. helmikuuta 2003 13:02
> > Vastaanottaja: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Aihe: Re: newbie:visuall effect
> > 
> > 
> > --- Esa_Kivel? <Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi> wrote:
> > > greetinsg again:
> > > 
> > > Hmmm i try to do some visual effect as dissolve
> slow
> > > ie. to show text field. move between cards but
> that
> > > effect dosen't happen in RR..
> > > 
> > > Like show cd btn "this and that" wiht visual
> effect
> > > dissolve slow
> > > 
> > > Nothing happend...
> > > 
> > > Is there some default settings on in RR or
> > > something?
> > > 
> > > Yours
> > > 
> > > EsaK 
> > 
> > Hi Esa,
> > 
> > Try this:
> >   lock screen
> >   show cd btn "Foobar"
> >   unlock screen with visual effect dissolve slow
> > 
> > Hope this helped,
> 
> Nope: same result. just pop up quickly.
> 
> EasK 

Hmm, works for me (on MacOS 9 atm).
What's the content of the 'effectRate' global property
and the 'alwaysBuffer' stack property ?

Jan Schenkel.

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From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Feb  4 06:33:01 2003
From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel)
Date: Tue Feb  4 06:33:01 2003
Subject: QT Movies playing roughly
Message-ID: <p05100300ba655283979b@[62.30.170.67]>

I've got an app with a couple of really trivial QT movies, each 
consisting of about 30 frames  plus a soundtrack, set to loop until 
stopped. One of them shows a motor with a little propeller going 
round. The thing is scripted so that the propeller can go at 
different speeds and either forward or backward. This works fine just 
using Apple's QuickTime Player on my Macs (version 5 or 6), but when 
it's in a player object in a Revolution standalone, the motion is 
extremely rough. The soundtrack seems to work OK, but the visuals 
either miss out frames or stop completely. On restarting the player, 
one gets a bit of movement and then the thing goes all choppy again. 
The other movie behaves the same way but the lack of movement isn't 
so obvious because of the particular animation involved.

I need to use player objects rather than Revo animations so that I 
can let the user move them around the screen and so that I can script 
the forward/ reverse/ speed change behaviour.

Is this a known problem? Is there anything I can do about it?

TIA

Graham
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From Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi  Tue Feb  4 06:36:00 2003
From: Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Esa_Kivel=E4?=)
Date: Tue Feb  4 06:36:00 2003
Subject: VS: VS: newbie:visuall effect
Message-ID: <961D94BBE7448D4C8E4440CB7920D9E02AD632@ktk7.ad.kuluttajatutkimuskeskus.fi>


> -----Alkuper?inen viesti-----
> L?hett?j?: Jan Schenkel [mailto:janschenkel at yahoo.com]
> L?hetetty: 4. helmikuuta 2003 13:27
> Vastaanottaja: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Aihe: Re: VS: newbie:visuall effect
> 
> 
> --- Esa_Kivel? <Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Alkuper?inen viesti-----
> > > L?hett?j?: Jan Schenkel
> > [mailto:janschenkel at yahoo.com]
> > > L?hetetty: 4. helmikuuta 2003 13:02
> > > Vastaanottaja: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > > Aihe: Re: newbie:visuall effect
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- Esa_Kivel? <Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi> wrote:
> > > > greetinsg again:
> > > > 
> > > > Hmmm i try to do some visual effect as dissolve
> > slow
> > > > ie. to show text field. move between cards but
> > that
> > > > effect dosen't happen in RR..
> > > > 
> > > > Like show cd btn "this and that" wiht visual
> > effect
> > > > dissolve slow
> > > > 
> > > > Nothing happend...
> > > > 
> > > > Is there some default settings on in RR or
> > > > something?
> > > > 
> > > > Yours
> > > > 
> > > > EsaK 
> > > 
> > > Hi Esa,
> > > 
> > > Try this:
> > >   lock screen
> > >   show cd btn "Foobar"
> > >   unlock screen with visual effect dissolve slow
> > > 
> > > Hope this helped,
> > 
> > Nope: same result. just pop up quickly.
> > 
> > EasK 
> 
> Hmm, works for me (on MacOS 9 atm).
> What's the content of the 'effectRate' global property
> and the 'alwaysBuffer' stack property ?

and I can check those..where? I juse Windows 2000 and RR 1.1

EsaK


From jezbo at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Feb  4 07:30:01 2003
From: jezbo at blueyonder.co.uk (Jez)
Date: Tue Feb  4 07:30:01 2003
Subject: Grid/Table control
Message-ID: <008901c2cc36$14ae9040$d3841f3e@Jez2>

I dont wish to join the debate about WHEN the final version 2.0 will ship, but just wish to ask : will it include a grid / table control ? This is the most useful control in data-intensive GUI applications I think. Tabbed list controls just wont suffice.

NB. It's interesting to note that the much vaunted Microsoft .NET visual studio environment has a basic windows forms grid control but it's not very flexible (albeit it is extensible apparently, though God knows how), so come on Rev guys, do something well that Microsoft don't!
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From Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi  Tue Feb  4 07:34:01 2003
From: Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Esa_Kivel=E4?=)
Date: Tue Feb  4 07:34:01 2003
Subject: VS: newbie:visuall effect
Message-ID: <961D94BBE7448D4C8E4440CB7920D9E02AD633@ktk7.ad.kuluttajatutkimuskeskus.fi>


> -----Alkuper?inen viesti-----
> L?hett?j?: Jan Schenkel [mailto:janschenkel at yahoo.com]
> L?hetetty: 4. helmikuuta 2003 13:02
> Vastaanottaja: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Aihe: Re: newbie:visuall effect
> 
> 
> --- Esa_Kivel? <Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi> wrote:
> > greetinsg again:
> > 
> > Hmmm i try to do some visual effect as dissolve slow
> > ie. to show text field. move between cards but that
> > effect dosen't happen in RR..
> > 
> > Like show cd btn "this and that" wiht visual effect
> > dissolve slow
> > 
> > Nothing happend...
> > 
> > Is there some default settings on in RR or
> > something?
> > 
> > Yours
> > 
> > EsaK 
> 
> Hi Esa,
> 
> Try this:
>   lock screen
>   show cd btn "Foobar"
>   unlock screen with visual effect dissolve slow
> 
> Hope this helped,

Hmmm all works but that dissolve won't... werid..

EsaK 


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  4 07:40:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Tue Feb  4 07:40:01 2003
Subject: VS: VS: newbie:visuall effect
In-Reply-To: <961D94BBE7448D4C8E4440CB7920D9E02AD632@ktk7.ad.kuluttajatutkimuskeskus.fi>
Message-ID: <20030204123557.65136.qmail@web11907.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Esa_Kivel? <Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi> wrote:
> [snip]
>
> > What's the content of the 'effectRate' global
> property
> > and the 'alwaysBuffer' stack property ?
> 
> and I can check those..where? I juse Windows 2000
> and RR 1.1
> 
> EsaK

Use the message box:
  answer the effectRate
  answer the alwaysBuffer of this stack

I just checked under Win2K with RR 1.1 and the vial
effect worked for me. Is there an image or a player
behind it ?

Jan Schenkel.

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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  4 07:49:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Tue Feb  4 07:49:01 2003
Subject: QT Movies playing roughly
In-Reply-To: <p05100300ba655283979b@[62.30.170.67]>
Message-ID: <20030204124432.30600.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Graham Samuel <livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> I've got an app with a couple of really trivial QT
> movies, each 
> consisting of about 30 frames  plus a soundtrack,
> set to loop until 
> stopped. One of them shows a motor with a little
> propeller going 
> round. The thing is scripted so that the propeller
> can go at 
> different speeds and either forward or backward.
> This works fine just 
> using Apple's QuickTime Player on my Macs (version 5
> or 6), but when 
> it's in a player object in a Revolution standalone,
> the motion is 
> extremely rough. The soundtrack seems to work OK,
> but the visuals 
> either miss out frames or stop completely. On
> restarting the player, 
> one gets a bit of movement and then the thing goes
> all choppy again. 
> The other movie behaves the same way but the lack of
> movement isn't 
> so obvious because of the particular animation
> involved.
> 
> I need to use player objects rather than Revo
> animations so that I 
> can let the user move them around the screen and so
> that I can script 
> the forward/ reverse/ speed change behaviour.
> 
> Is this a known problem? Is there anything I can do
> about it?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Graham

Hi Graham,

A few things spring to mind:
- Is it possible that another object overlaps the
player ?
- What's the setting of the 'alwaysBuffer' property of
the player and the stack ?

Jan Schenkel.

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From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Feb  4 07:50:01 2003
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue Feb  4 07:50:01 2003
Subject: Why is my app slow?
In-Reply-To: <p05100301ba653b467245@[62.30.170.67]>
Message-ID: <ACEELABEAIANJNCEJFMAGEICDEAA.chipp@chipp.com>

Graham,

I believe you may have answered your own question...

"a P133 running Windows 95 - or on Virtual PC on my Mac G3/400."

Why don't you test on a more powerful PC and see?

-Chipp


From Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi  Tue Feb  4 07:53:00 2003
From: Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Esa_Kivel=E4?=)
Date: Tue Feb  4 07:53:00 2003
Subject: VS: VS: VS: newbie:visuall effect
Message-ID: <961D94BBE7448D4C8E4440CB7920D9E02AD634@ktk7.ad.kuluttajatutkimuskeskus.fi>


> -----Alkuper?inen viesti-----
> L?hett?j?: Jan Schenkel [mailto:janschenkel at yahoo.com]
> L?hetetty: 4. helmikuuta 2003 14:36
> Vastaanottaja: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Aihe: Re: VS: VS: newbie:visuall effect

> 
> Use the message box:
>   answer the effectRate

3000 just set that to the ne button

>   answer the alwaysBuffer of this stack

True.

> 
> I just checked under Win2K with RR 1.1 and the vial
> effect worked for me. Is there an image or a player
> behind it ?

Nope just code in button: 

show field "info" with visual effect dissolve slow

Hows that effect works? If i recall right in Hypercard its slowly shows ie text field.. 

EsaK


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  4 07:53:16 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Tue Feb  4 07:53:16 2003
Subject: VS: newbie:visuall effect
In-Reply-To: <961D94BBE7448D4C8E4440CB7920D9E02AD633@ktk7.ad.kuluttajatutkimuskeskus.fi>
Message-ID: <20030204124705.30832.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Esa_Kivel? <Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi> wrote:
> [snip]
> 
> Hmmm all works but that dissolve won't... werid..
> 
> EsaK 

Weird that it's just that one effect. Does it help if
you
  set the dontUseQTEffects to true

Jan Schenkel.

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From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Feb  4 07:53:32 2003
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue Feb  4 07:53:32 2003
Subject: QT Movies playing roughly
In-Reply-To: <p05100300ba655283979b@[62.30.170.67]>
Message-ID: <ACEELABEAIANJNCEJFMAIEICDEAA.chipp@chipp.com>

Graham,

Are you using any "on idle" handlers to control the animation?

You might also want to look at an animaged gif for this type of thing.
Also, look at the 'send' command instead of 'on idle' (if you're using it).


-Chipp

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Graham Samuel
> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 5:29 AM
> To: Revolution user discussion
> Subject: QT Movies playing roughly
> 
> 
> I've got an app with a couple of really trivial QT movies, each 
> consisting of about 30 frames  plus a soundtrack, set to loop until 
> stopped. One of them shows a motor with a little propeller going 
> round. The thing is scripted so that the propeller can go at 
> different speeds and either forward or backward. This works fine just 
> using Apple's QuickTime Player on my Macs (version 5 or 6), but when 
> it's in a player object in a Revolution standalone, the motion is 
> extremely rough. The soundtrack seems to work OK, but the visuals 
> either miss out frames or stop completely. On restarting the player, 
> one gets a bit of movement and then the thing goes all choppy again. 
> The other movie behaves the same way but the lack of movement isn't 
> so obvious because of the particular animation involved.
> 
> I need to use player objects rather than Revo animations so that I 
> can let the user move them around the screen and so that I can script 
> the forward/ reverse/ speed change behaviour.
> 
> Is this a known problem? Is there anything I can do about it?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Graham
> -- 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
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From Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi  Tue Feb  4 08:01:00 2003
From: Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Esa_Kivel=E4?=)
Date: Tue Feb  4 08:01:00 2003
Subject: VS: VS: newbie:visuall effect
Message-ID: <961D94BBE7448D4C8E4440CB7920D9E02AD635@ktk7.ad.kuluttajatutkimuskeskus.fi>


> -----Alkuper?inen viesti-----
> L?hett?j?: Jan Schenkel [mailto:janschenkel at yahoo.com]
> L?hetetty: 4. helmikuuta 2003 14:47
> Vastaanottaja: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Aihe: Re: VS: newbie:visuall effect
> 
> 
> --- Esa_Kivel? <Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi> wrote:
> > [snip]
> > 
> > Hmmm all works but that dissolve won't... werid..
> > 
> > EsaK 
> 
> Weird that it's just that one effect. Does it help if
> you
>   set the dontUseQTEffects to true

Yoohooooo! :-) Now its works! Thanks Jan :-)

Btw jan: that Mud Ediror have goes forward, but I need help with that ftp-thing. Are You intersted? If You are please send private email to esa.kivela at ncrc.fi

EsaK 


From jhurley at infostations.com  Tue Feb  4 08:07:01 2003
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Tue Feb  4 08:07:01 2003
Subject: Storing images
In-Reply-To: <200302041000.FAA23457@www.runrev.com>
References: <200302041000.FAA23457@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05010400ba6567711621@[66.81.214.21]>

Isn't there another issue regarding where images are stored? My 
knowledge  here is admittedly weak but I have had problems in the 
past in referencing images stored on disk. To find the image a path, 
either  absolute of relative (relative to the current default folder) 
needs to be given. If, in distributing  the application, the user 
should move the stack without bringing the images along there will be 
problems.

I would much prefer to reference the file than import it as a control 
for the many good reasons mentioned by others on this thread: The 
ease of displaying multiple sizes in multiple locations, reduction of 
file size, and, if only for religious reasons (religion defined 
broadly), it is cleaner and cleanliness is next to you know Who. So 
if there is a clean way to reference the file while avoiding the 
problem of broken links when stacks become separated from images, I 
would *greatly* appreciate an education in this matter.

Jim


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  4 08:15:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Tue Feb  4 08:15:01 2003
Subject: Storing images
In-Reply-To: <a05010400ba6567711621@[66.81.214.21]>
Message-ID: <20030204131047.48010.qmail@web11908.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Jim Hurley <jhurley at infostations.com> wrote:
> Isn't there another issue regarding where images are
> stored? My 
> knowledge  here is admittedly weak but I have had
> problems in the 
> past in referencing images stored on disk. To find
> the image a path, 
> either  absolute of relative (relative to the
> current default folder) 
> needs to be given. If, in distributing  the
> application, the user 
> should move the stack without bringing the images
> along there will be 
> problems.
> 
> I would much prefer to reference the file than
> import it as a control 
> for the many good reasons mentioned by others on
> this thread: The 
> ease of displaying multiple sizes in multiple
> locations, reduction of 
> file size, and, if only for religious reasons
> (religion defined 
> broadly), it is cleaner and cleanliness is next to
> you know Who. So 
> if there is a clean way to reference the file while
> avoiding the 
> problem of broken links when stacks become separated
> from images, I 
> would *greatly* appreciate an education in this
> matter.
> 
> Jim

Hi Jim,

Perhaps you could change the 'defaultFolder' global
property when your stack opens ? When looking for
files, if you don't specify a full path, the engine
will look relative to the defaultFolder.

Just a thought,

Jan Schenkel.

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From kevin at runrev.com  Tue Feb  4 10:08:00 2003
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Tue Feb  4 10:08:00 2003
Subject: Pre-Beta for 2.0 for Mac OS
In-Reply-To: <20030204111900.57697.qmail@web11907.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BA65828D.10FA8%kevin@runrev.com>

On 4/2/03 11:19 am, Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Or as an icon in the button-row at the top which you
> suggested in an earlier post. That would save us quite
> a few trips without making things difficult again.

Its in the tool bar, there is a keyboard shortcut, its in the menu bar, and
also in that menu in the palette.

Kind regards,

Kevin

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From kevin at runrev.com  Tue Feb  4 10:08:24 2003
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Tue Feb  4 10:08:24 2003
Subject: Pre-Beta for 2.0 for Mac OS
In-Reply-To: <016901c2cbdb$6ab61770$6601a8c0@mckinley.dom>
Message-ID: <BA6582F6.10FA8%kevin@runrev.com>

On 3/2/03 11:24 pm, Ken Ray <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote:

>> could there be an advantage to developing an app
>> in RR then running it in MC?
> 
> Two that I can think of - one is that you may be able to develop faster in
> Rev because of all the help that the IDE gives you (vs. MC where a bunch of
> stuff needs to be done with your own tool or through the message box); the
> other is that you may be able to take advantage of bug fixes in the engine
> which haven't made their way into Rev yet. For example, suppose MC releases
> 2.5 at the same time as Rev 2.0. If MC finds and squashes some bugs in 2.5.1
> and it takes a couple of months for RR to upgrade to the new engine, you can
> take advantage of the fixes in MC early.

This historical issue is one we have addressed, and it is our intention that
we stay in sync, though you do have to be a pro user to access the
pre-release versions.

Kevin

Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
Tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165.  Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707.



From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Tue Feb  4 10:34:01 2003
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Tue Feb  4 10:34:01 2003
Subject: [ANN] Furby.rev (a virtual Furby toy)
Message-ID: <OF287D1C78.C26FC5F7-ON85256CC3.00546113@sealedair.com>

As a proud father, I just have to announce my son's first Revolution
program. He is 11 years old, and is absolutely *thrilled* that Transcript
is simple enough for a kid to follow. Please check out his first app on the
user contributions page.

http://www.runrev.com/revolution/developers/developerdownloads/usercontributions.html

I'm sure William would love to hear some words of encouragement from you
guys (off list at <n64william at yahoo.com>).

Kind Regards,
Roger Eller
roger.e.eller at sealedair.com





From kevin at runrev.com  Tue Feb  4 10:40:01 2003
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Tue Feb  4 10:40:01 2003
Subject: VS: pre-beta
In-Reply-To: <961D94BBE7448D4C8E4440CB7920D9E02AD62A@ktk7.ad.kuluttajatutkimuskeskus.fi>
Message-ID: <BA658E3F.10FBE%kevin@runrev.com>

On 4/2/03 6:19 am, Esa Kivel? <Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi> wrote:

> Btw, did You guys fix in RR 2.0 that printing problem wich prints many pages
> ie. from text field and in the pages are only few lines of text per page?

Please test it and let us know if it is still happening for you.

Thanks,

Kevin

Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
Tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165.  Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707.



From dleyanna at rtl.org  Tue Feb  4 10:51:01 2003
From: dleyanna at rtl.org (Dave LeYanna)
Date: Tue Feb  4 10:51:01 2003
Subject: Rev 2.0 printing
Message-ID: <3E3FE09B.3010705@rtl.org>

It is still happening to me. The double,triple line stuff from Win 2000 
to HPIIIsi and micro print 1/32 point type from Win98 to same printer. 
The same, doesn't matter which version of Rev. I use.

The print drivers are the newest ones. BTW FYI, printing from Inspired 
Logic's Navigator seems to work fine when printing scripts. It just 
seems to be your help system?

djl



From cowhead at mac.com  Tue Feb  4 11:01:01 2003
From: cowhead at mac.com (mark mitchell)
Date: Tue Feb  4 11:01:01 2003
Subject: unicode in pre-beta
In-Reply-To: <200302041000.FAA23457@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <31559618-3859-11D7-9229-0030656DAB8E@mac.com>

Tuviah wrote:

>  I'm personally
> look forward to feedback on Unicode,

I was anxiously awaiting Unicode, but after playing with it for just a 
few minutes, it doesn't seem to be working very well yet (Mac OS 10.1.5, 
Jpnese kotoeri input).  You can now type and edit Japanese OK in a 
single field, which is nice, but you cannot seem to move anything from 
one field to another via script without it messing up (although 
copy/paste works OK).  Moreover, if you want to delete or move a single 
Jpnese 2 byte character, you must still treat it as two characters (eg. 
delete character 1 to 2 of field 1 deletes just the first Jpnese 
character).  This contrasts with Hypercard, which just 'knows' whether a 
character is 2 byte or not (it's  beautiful thing).
Also, the IDE has an annoying bug where if you accidently type some 
Jpnese into the message box, you cannot simply delete and switch back to 
English but must close and reopen the message box.  Hopefully that will 
be gone in the real release.

mark mitchell
Japan



From harrison at all-auctions.com  Tue Feb  4 11:22:01 2003
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Tue Feb  4 11:22:01 2003
Subject: [ANN] Furby.rev (a virtual Furby toy)
In-Reply-To: <OF287D1C78.C26FC5F7-ON85256CC3.00546113@sealedair.com>
Message-ID: <BA6551E8.2A93%harrison@all-auctions.com>

on 2/4/2003 10:30 AM, Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com at
Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote:

> 
> 
> I'm sure William would love to hear some words of encouragement from you
> guys (off list at <n64william at yahoo.com>).
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Roger Eller
> roger.e.eller at sealedair.com
> 

Roger,

It's cute, but there is no way to quit the application
under OS 9.2.2

You might want to tell William to try adding some sounds
to spice it up.

Have fun!

Rick Harrison



From miscdas at boxfrog.com  Tue Feb  4 11:32:01 2003
From: miscdas at boxfrog.com (miscdas at boxfrog.com)
Date: Tue Feb  4 11:32:01 2003
Subject: Random generator exercise
In-Reply-To: <OF287D1C78.C26FC5F7-ON85256CC3.00546113@sealedair.com> 
References: <OF287D1C78.C26FC5F7-ON85256CC3.00546113@sealedair.com>
Message-ID: <20030204162855.5631.qmail@www.boxfrog.com>

Here is yet another approach to the exercise. 

A SINGLE random number is generated, from which a numeric or an alpha 
character is generated. 

There is a .5 probability of generating a numeric, and .5 probablity of 
generating an alpha. 

Within the alpha, there is a .5 probablity of being lower case, and .5 
probablity of being upper case. 

on mouseUp
put empty into field ?displayField?
ask ("How many characters to generate ? (1-9)")
put it into charCount
  repeat charCount times
   put random(520) into myRandom
   if myRandom < 261 then  ##numeric
     put (myRandom - 1) div 26  after field ?displayField?
   else
     if myRandom < 391 then
       put 45 into offsetASCII  ##lowercase
     else
       put -13 into offsetASCII  ##uppercase
     end if
    put (myRandom ? 1) div 5 + offsetASCII into finalValue
    put numToChar(finalValue) after field ?displayField?
   end if
 end repeat
end mouseUp 


miscdas


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  4 11:46:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Tue Feb  4 11:46:01 2003
Subject: Pre-Beta for 2.0 for Mac OS
In-Reply-To: <BA65828D.10FA8%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20030204164140.27176.qmail@web11906.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> wrote:
> On 4/2/03 11:19 am, Jan Schenkel
> <janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > Or as an icon in the button-row at the top which
> you
> > suggested in an earlier post. That would save us
> quite
> > a few trips without making things difficult again.
> 
> Its in the tool bar, there is a keyboard shortcut,
> its in the menu bar, and
> also in that menu in the palette.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Kevin

I guess that means an item 'Script' will be added to
the palette's menu ? Rats, there goes my argument pro
buttons of what to do if you :
- select a button
- lock the inspector
- select a different control to review
- and must therefore select the button again in order
to edit its script.

A button row would still be less click-drag-click, but
I have to say the 'menu' method makes for a very slick
environment. Plus, you won't run out of room as easily
as with tabs ;-)

Jan Schenkel.

=====
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From cowhead at mac.com  Tue Feb  4 11:56:01 2003
From: cowhead at mac.com (mark mitchell)
Date: Tue Feb  4 11:56:01 2003
Subject: storing images
In-Reply-To: <200302041000.FAA23457@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <F41A30CB-3860-11D7-9229-0030656DAB8E@mac.com>

Judy wrote:

> Yes, there are many different ways of doing one thing; problem is, it
> doesn't matter if they're all equally inelegant/non-intuitive.
>
> Maybe it's the non-assembly code programmer in me, but it's just not 
> clear
> why, once you've embedded something, you have to re-embed it with each
> usage.  This is just nuts.  This results in bloatware.
>

I finally understand this thread.  I couldn't figure out how "set the 
icon of button 1 to myImage" could possibly be described as inelegant 
(especially relative to HC's resource fork and pict external).  But it 
sounds like some people are under the impression that setting the icon 
of a button to an image 're-embeds' the image.  It doesn't.  The button 
just references the image within the stack.  So you can reference the 
same imbeded image in a hundred different buttons without increasing the 
memory requirements much.  I remember there was a big thread on this 
about a year or so ago.  Just make a single card or substack called 
'myImages' and stick all your images there.  You'll find they are much 
more accessible than in HC's resource fork.  One trick, if you want the 
image to display with a border, depending on button type and settings, 
you may have to resize it to a little smaller than the button (the 
height/width - 15)  prior to display.

PS.  the throbbing buttons in the pre-beta on OSX are just too cool!

mark mitchell
Japan



From miscdas at boxfrog.com  Tue Feb  4 12:07:03 2003
From: miscdas at boxfrog.com (miscdas at boxfrog.com)
Date: Tue Feb  4 12:07:03 2003
Subject: Furby.rev (a virtual Furby toy)
In-Reply-To: <BA6551E8.2A93%harrison@all-auctions.com> 
References: <BA6551E8.2A93%harrison@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <20030204170341.66547.qmail@www.boxfrog.com>

Rick Harrison writes: 

> on 2/4/2003 10:30 AM, Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com at
> Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com wrote: 
> 
>>  
>> 
>> I'm sure William would love to hear some words of encouragement from you
>> guys (off list at <n64william at yahoo.com>).
>> roger.e.eller at sealedair.com 
>> 
> 
> Roger, 
> 
> It's cute, but there is no way to quit the application
> under OS 9.2.2 
> 
> You might want to tell William to try adding some sounds
> to spice it up. 
> 
> Have fun! 
> 
> Rick Harrison 
> 

Mr. Harrison, 

Perhaps you missed this address from above? n64william at yahoo.com 

I'm sure young William would appreciate your direct response, rather than 
passing it through his father. Likewise, why make dad the middleman? 

By the way, under Win XP pro, MetaCard, I can exit no problem using the 
window's native close button. 

miscdas


From rogerguay at centurytel.net  Tue Feb  4 12:09:01 2003
From: rogerguay at centurytel.net (Roger Guay)
Date: Tue Feb  4 12:09:01 2003
Subject: Where to download Pre-Beta?
Message-ID: <C1392C29-3862-11D7-952D-000393A1CAAA@centurytel.net>

I'm sorry, I've lost the instructions for downlaoding the Pre-Beta and 
I can't find it at RunRev.com.  Help?

Thanks, Roger



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Feb  4 12:09:28 2003
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue Feb  4 12:09:28 2003
Subject: Storing images
In-Reply-To: <a05010400ba6567711621@[66.81.214.21]>
Message-ID: <BA65334E.AADB%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Jim Hurley wrote:

> Isn't there another issue regarding where images are stored? My
> knowledge  here is admittedly weak but I have had problems in the
> past in referencing images stored on disk. To find the image a path,
> either  absolute of relative (relative to the current default folder)
> needs to be given.

That's how we typically do it.  We've never had any problems.

Assuming you have a directory of images called "images" in the same folder
as your app:

# GET THE STACK PATH
put the effective fileName of this stack into tPath
set itemDel to "/"
put "images/" into last item of tPath

Now all images can be referenced using:
set the fileName of img myImage to (tPath & "coolImage.gif")


> If, in distributing  the application, the user
> should move the stack without bringing the images along there will be
> problems.

To be fair that's a whole different problem altogether.  If you expect users
to move your stack/app to different locations, you might consider using an
installer.  Otherwise, it's pretty standard to include a "resources" folder
or similar in the same folder as the stack/app.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director

Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
Email: scott at tactilemedia.com
Web: www.tactilemedia.com



From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Feb  4 12:25:01 2003
From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel)
Date: Tue Feb  4 12:25:01 2003
Subject: QT Movies playing roughly
Message-ID: <p05100301ba65a5cd9490@[62.30.170.67]>

On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 04:44:32 -0800 (PST) Jan Schenkel 
<janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Hi Graham,
>
>A few things spring to mind:
>- Is it possible that another object overlaps the
>player ?
>- What's the setting of the 'alwaysBuffer' property of
>the player and the stack ?
>
>Jan Schenkel.

Hi Jan

Thanks for the interest. The alwaysBuffer of the mainstack, the 
substack in question and the player objects are all set to true. I'm 
not sure what you mean by 'overlap', but naturally as the user drags 
the player object it passes across a number of other objects - 
usually rectangular graphics without scripts in them. The players 
never enter each other's space, as it were, although they are 
sometimes asked to play simultaneously (this doesn't seem to be a 
problem in itself).

Do underlying objects get messages saying the drag/grab is taking 
place? If so, I could try to investigate these.

So far then, no real answer - but thanks again.

Graham
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------
          Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France


From gary.rathbone at btclick.com  Tue Feb  4 12:44:01 2003
From: gary.rathbone at btclick.com (Gary Rathbone)
Date: Tue Feb  4 12:44:01 2003
Subject: Where to download Pre-Beta?
In-Reply-To: <C1392C29-3862-11D7-952D-000393A1CAAA@centurytel.net>
Message-ID: <000701c2cc74$57bf1b50$0e00000a@server>

> I'm sorry, I've lost the instructions for downlaoding the 
> Pre-Beta and I can't find it at RunRev.com.  Help?

http://www.runrev.com/revolution/previews/downloads.html

Regards

Gary Rathbone




From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Feb  4 13:08:00 2003
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue Feb  4 13:08:00 2003
Subject: Storing images
References: <200302041000.FAA23457@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3E400096.1030809@hyperactivesw.com>

Judy Perry <jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu> wrote:

> Maybe it's the non-assembly code programmer in me, but it's just not clear
> why, once you've embedded something, you have to re-embed it with each
> usage.  This is just nuts.  This results in bloatware.

I think there's some confusion -- you don't have to embed an image 
multiple times. Only one copy is needed. Actually, the Revolution way 
acts almost identically to HyperCard's resource-fork method, the only 
difference is that instead of placing the image in the Mac-only resource 
fork, you place it somewhere in the stack itself (or in any stack that 
is in the message hierarchy, such as a substack.) Once you get the image 
imported, it can be used over and over again without any duplication, 
just as addcolor does in HC.

For example, in my Klondike game I have a card that the user never sees 
which stores all the images the stack needs. The game uses 
playing-card-sized buttons which constantly update their image to 
simulate whatever playing card is currently "face up". Scripts change 
the "playing card" button icon IDs as needed. It is a one-liner to place 
a RAM-based copy of the image if you use a button as the image container.

In HyperCard, we would issue "addcolor colorBtn" along with a long 
string of parameters. This grabs a temporary copy of the image from the 
resource fork and places it over a button. In Revolution, we issue "set 
the icon of btn x to <myImgID>". This grabs a temporary copy of the 
image from the data fork and places it into a button as the icon. An 
extra advantage of this method is that, unlike addcolor images, you can 
move the button around without worrying about leaving the image display 
behind on screen.

There is no duplication of the image graphic when you do this; Rev just 
inserts a temporary copy of the image into RAM just as addcolor does 
when it draws the image to screen. The only difference is the location 
of the original source image and, of course, the syntax used to set the 
button image.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From bornstein at designeq.com  Tue Feb  4 13:13:00 2003
From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Tue Feb  4 13:13:00 2003
Subject: QT Movies playing roughly
Message-ID: <200302041808.h14I8AxF015714@ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com>

Hi Graham,

This may be a bit odd but maybe, if the cause is that your computer is 
underpowered, you can ease its burden by setting the playrate of the 
player to a value lower than 1. This will cause the movie to play slower, 
which may give it a smoother appearance.

Unfortunately, this screws up the soundtrack, which means you may have to 
separate the soundtrack into a different file and play it simultaneously 
with the movie. If it doesn't need to be "synced" to the movie, though, 
this might work.

Just a thought.

Regards,

Howard Bornstein
____________________
D E S I G N  E Q
www.designeq.com


From jhurley at infostations.com  Tue Feb  4 13:14:01 2003
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Tue Feb  4 13:14:01 2003
Subject: Storing images
In-Reply-To: <200302041658.LAA08469@www.runrev.com>
References: <200302041658.LAA08469@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05010400ba65ac7e9583@[66.81.62.111]>

>  mark mitchell  wrote:
>
>Judy wrote:
>
>>  Yes, there are many different ways of doing one thing; problem is, it
>>  doesn't matter if they're all equally inelegant/non-intuitive.
>>
>>  Maybe it's the non-assembly code programmer in me, but it's just not
>>  clear
>>  why, once you've embedded something, you have to re-embed it with each
>>  usage.  This is just nuts.  This results in bloatware.
>>
>
>I finally understand this thread.  I couldn't figure out how "set the
>icon of button 1 to myImage" could possibly be described as inelegant
(especially relative to HC's resource fork and pict external).

(snip)

Unfortunately, I know just enough about this issue to be dangerous.

Perhaps "inelegant" isn't the word, but it can be cumbersome to set 
the button icon to the image if you want to use different sizes on 
different card. You need a preOpenCard handler on each card on which 
the image appears in order to set the size of the image on that card. 
(If you lock the position and size you needn't worry about  the 
location. That is held fixed. But you can reset the size through the 
script even though the  imaged is lock.)

All of this  is avoided if the  image is referenced from a disk file. 
As I said before, the only problem this might  pose is if the end 
user were careless or uninformed and separated the  images from the 
folder to which they are linked in the stack.

A more elegant or less cumbersome solution (and idiot proof for the 
end user) would be to embed the single images in some "secret" place 
from which they might  be referenced and a different size  and 
location for the image could be locked  on each card.

Thinking wishfully,

Jim


-- 
Jim Hurley


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Feb  4 13:42:01 2003
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue Feb  4 13:42:01 2003
Subject: Image still cut off
References: <200302032336.SAA11051@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3E400889.9060505@hyperactivesw.com>

"Ken Norris (dialup)" <pixelbird at interisland.net> wrote:
> 
> All I want is for the full 800x600 image to show in its entirety. I don't
> mind if some dev windows cover it, like the tool palettes, as long as I can
> remove them and _know_ the image is actually all there. I'm going crazy
> here. I'm sorry, a number of people have given some instruction about this,
> but nothing seems to work. I really need someone to lead me step by step [
> 1), 2), 3), ], I guess, because I just don't get it...

I'll give it a try. First, set the editmenus of the stack to true. This 
will force the menu group into view on a Mac.

On a Mac, when editmenus is later set to false, Rev will scroll the top 
part of the card window out of view and shorten the window height by the 
same amount as the menu group (not by the height of the menu buttons 
within the group, but by the height of the whole group itself.) If you 
are losing an inch from the image, then your menu group is probably 
about 72 pixels high. The menu buttons may be less, but the menu group 
is what matters. If necessary, resize the group so that it is only as 
high as the tallest button within the menu group. This is usually the 
larger button that sits behind and provides a base for the actual menu 
buttons. Use the message box or the properties palette to find out the 
exact height of the now-resized menu group and make a note of it.

Once that is done, calculate the height your stack needs to be. What you 
want is a height equal to the height of your image PLUS the height of 
the menu group. If your (now adjusted) menu group is 26 pixels high and 
the image is 600 high, then your stack height needs to be 626 pixels. 
Set the stack to that height. Place the menu group with its top edge at 
the top of the card. Place the large image with its bottom edge at the 
bottom of the card. Save the stack.

Now set the editmenus of the stack to false. On a Mac, the top of the 
card will scroll out of view by the exact amount in the menu group -- 26 
pixels, in this example. What remains is the lower portion of the card 
below the menu group -- which is all went well, is 600 pixels, all of 
which should be occupied by your large image.

There used to be a problem with the engine trying to be a little too 
intelligent and resizing the stack if it is bigger than the monitor can 
display. I don't know if this was changed or not (haven't had to use it 
in a while.) But if you are trying to display a 600-pixel-high image on 
a monitor set to 640x480 you may run into some problems. In that case, 
you'd have to implement a script as has been suggested here, which sets 
the stack size dynamically on startup or openstack. That would ensure 
that your stack can overcome the engine's eagerness to assist you with 
display size.

More on managing menus is at my tutorial:

   http://www.hyperactivesw.com/mctutorial/

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Tue Feb  4 13:49:02 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Tue Feb  4 13:49:02 2003
Subject: storing images
In-Reply-To: <200302041657.LAA08334@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA654EF0.6B36%pixelbird@interisland.net>

**********

> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 01:51:49 +0900
> Subject: Re: storing images
> From: mark mitchell <cowhead at mac.com>

> I finally understand this thread.  I couldn't figure out how "set the
> icon of button 1 to myImage" could possibly be described as inelegant
> (especially relative to HC's resource fork and pict external).  But it
> sounds like some people are under the impression that setting the icon
> of a button to an image 're-embeds' the image.  It doesn't.  The button
> just references the image within the stack.  So you can reference the
> same imbeded image in a hundred different buttons without increasing the
> memory requirements much.  I remember there was a big thread on this
> about a year or so ago.  Just make a single card or substack called
> 'myImages' and stick all your images there.
----------
I work with images a lot so I want to jump in here.

I see the advantages, but what about switching out images? Maybe you come up
with some much better images and want to change them out. I think (could
easily be wrong) you'd have to reset the images manually by deleting them
and importing new ones, or writing a separate UI somewhere that does it (how
might that work?).

But, I like the defaultFolder idea, because it's all drag and drop. The
caveat is that you have to make sure the ID's and/or names are relevent to
the calls that use them, which would really be the same for imported stuff
too.

I think you have to weigh out how the images are going to be used. Perhaps
combining the two ideas for development purposes might be good. An
ImageBase/library in folders you can import from, and a protected (enter by
password from a menu or something) substack which has thumbnails and a UI
that has routines for adding, deleting, copying, and replacing, and traps
for correct ID's, etc.

Mostly just think/type...but what do you think?

Ken N. 

*********** 



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue Feb  4 14:14:01 2003
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue Feb  4 14:14:01 2003
Subject: Pre-Beta for 2.0 for Mac OS
In-Reply-To: <a05111b00ba6519dd0ba4@[68.34.213.220]>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0302041108230.29075-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Yes, this was a big area of confusion/awkwardness for me as well but since
I didn't hear anyone else really question it, I kept unusually quiet.

Judy

On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Curry wrote:

> One more thing about the new property palette--maybe there should
> still be a menu item in the option menu, or a button, to go to the
> object's script. Although the script won't open in the palette, it
> will still make a lot of sense to go from one to the other.



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue Feb  4 14:17:01 2003
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue Feb  4 14:17:01 2003
Subject: newbie:visuall effect
In-Reply-To: <961D94BBE7448D4C8E4440CB7920D9E02AD630@ktk7.ad.kuluttajatutkimuskeskus.fi>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0302041111020.29075-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Hi Esa,

I believe visual effects could perhaps be better thought of as 'transition
effects' -- as in when one moves from one card to another.

AFAIK, it has only worked this way even in the other x-programs.

Judy

On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, [iso-8859-1] Esa Kivel? wrote:

> greetinsg again:
>
> Hmmm i try to do some visual effect as dissolve slow ie. to show text field. move between cards but that effect dosen't happen in RR..
>
> Like show cd btn "this and that" wiht visual effect dissolve slow



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue Feb  4 14:40:01 2003
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue Feb  4 14:40:01 2003
Subject: Storing images
In-Reply-To: <3E400096.1030809@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0302041128120.29989-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Perhaps my gripe stems (as usual) from a lack of understanding.  I've
tried something like this -- importing as a control some image.  But I
didn't want it on the card where I imported it (not thinking about where I
was; okay, it wasn't really me it was a student) and so I clicked on it
and hit the delete key.  On the same card, I tried "show image imageName"
and got nothing.  Now, if I recall correctly in HC, you can delete it on
the card (or funny color draw) layer but the image is still there in the
stack, waiting for you to show it again whenever you wish.

Am I wrong?  It's always sooo nice to be wrong about such things!

Judy

On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> I think there's some confusion -- you don't have to embed an image
> multiple times. Only one copy is needed. Actually, the Revolution way
> acts almost identically to HyperCard's resource-fork method, the only
> difference is that instead of placing the image in the Mac-only resource
> fork, you place it somewhere in the stack itself (or in any stack that
> is in the message hierarchy, such as a substack.) Once you get the image
> imported, it can be used over and over again without any duplication,
> just as addcolor does in HC.
>
> For example, in my Klondike game I have a card that the user never sees
> which stores all the images the stack needs. The game uses
> playing-card-sized buttons which constantly update their image to
> simulate whatever playing card is currently "face up". Scripts change
> the "playing card" button icon IDs as needed. It is a one-liner to place
> a RAM-based copy of the image if you use a button as the image container.
>
> In HyperCard, we would issue "addcolor colorBtn" along with a long
> string of parameters. This grabs a temporary copy of the image from the
> resource fork and places it over a button. In Revolution, we issue "set
> the icon of btn x to <myImgID>". This grabs a temporary copy of the
> image from the data fork and places it into a button as the icon. An
> extra advantage of this method is that, unlike addcolor images, you can
> move the button around without worrying about leaving the image display
> behind on screen.
>
> There is no duplication of the image graphic when you do this; Rev just
> inserts a temporary copy of the image into RAM just as addcolor does
> when it draws the image to screen. The only difference is the location
> of the original source image and, of course, the syntax used to set the
> button image.



From info at pixelmedia.com.au  Tue Feb  4 14:50:01 2003
From: info at pixelmedia.com.au (Igor de Oliveira Couto)
Date: Tue Feb  4 14:50:01 2003
Subject: unicode in pre-beta
In-Reply-To: <31559618-3859-11D7-9229-0030656DAB8E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F66CBFFE-3878-11D7-8B5C-000393AD9396@pixelmedia.com.au>

Hi all,

> Tuviah wrote:
>
>>  I'm personally
>> look forward to feedback on Unicode,
>
> I was anxiously awaiting Unicode, but after playing with it for just a 
> few minutes, it doesn't seem to be working very well yet (Mac OS 
> 10.1.5, Jpnese kotoeri input).  You can now type and edit Japanese OK 
> in a single field, which is nice, but you cannot seem to move anything 
> from one field to another via script without it messing up (although 
> copy/paste works OK).  Moreover, if you want to delete or move a 
> single Jpnese 2 byte character, you must still treat it as two 
> characters (eg. delete character 1 to 2 of field 1 deletes just the 
> first Jpnese character).  This contrasts with Hypercard, which just 
> 'knows' whether a character is 2 byte or not (it's  beautiful thing).
> Also, the IDE has an annoying bug where if you accidently type some 
> Jpnese into the message box, you cannot simply delete and switch back 
> to English but must close and reopen the message box.  Hopefully that 
> will be gone in the real release.
>

I must also admit I've found the international character handling still 
quite unacceptable at this pre-beta stage. I have been working on an 
Esperanto stack, a language which uses characters such as c+circumflex 
(?), g+circumflex (?), and u+breve (?) among others. All these have to 
be typed with the 'US Extended' keyboard layout in MacOS X (10.2).

I believe the problem is that a lot of the 'internal' text routines in 
Revolution are actually handled by scripts, and transcript does not 
seem to REALLY be able to handle Unicode. Try this: type a sentence 
which uses these 'funny' international characters which can only be 
typed with the US Extended keyboard. Then, in the text section of the 
inspector, try CHANGING THE CASE (to something like "Title Case"). You 
will notice that not only do your international characters disappear, 
but also that you will get UppeRcase letters right in the middle of 
your words - where the international characters once were...

No doubt, all of this will be fixed in future releases...

Kind Regards,
--
Igor
----------------------------------
igor at pixelmedia.com.au
----------------------------------


From miscdas at boxfrog.com  Tue Feb  4 14:54:01 2003
From: miscdas at boxfrog.com (miscdas at boxfrog.com)
Date: Tue Feb  4 14:54:01 2003
Subject: Storing images
In-Reply-To: <3E400096.1030809@hyperactivesw.com> 
References: <200302041000.FAA23457@www.runrev.com>
            <3E400096.1030809@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <20030204195052.48006.qmail@www.boxfrog.com>

J. Landman Gay writes: 

> There is no duplication of the image graphic when you do this; Rev just 
> inserts a temporary copy of the image into RAM just as addcolor does when 
> it draws the image to screen. 
======= 

Is a copy of the image placed into RAM, or is there just a pointer created 
that points to the RAM address of a single copy of the image? 

miscdas


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Feb  4 15:06:00 2003
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue Feb  4 15:06:00 2003
Subject: Storing images
In-Reply-To: <a05010400ba65ac7e9583@[66.81.62.111]>
Message-ID: <BA655C4A.6007%scott@tactilemedia.com>

>> I finally understand this thread.  I couldn't figure out how "set the
>> icon of button 1 to myImage" could possibly be described as inelegant
>> (especially relative to HC's resource fork and pict external).
 
> Perhaps "inelegant" isn't the word, but it can be cumbersome to set
> the button icon to the image if you want to use different sizes on
> different card. You need a preOpenCard handler on each card on which
> the image appears in order to set the size of the image on that card.
> (If you lock the position and size you needn't worry about  the
> location. That is held fixed. But you can reset the size through the
> script even though the  imaged is lock.)

If I understand the intent of your comment, you should consider using
groups.  If you want an image to appear on every card, simply place it in a
group whose backgroundBehavior is set to true.  This way the image will
appear on every card that contains the group with no preOpenCard necessary.
If you want a card with no image, simply remove the group from that card.


> A more elegant or less cumbersome solution (and idiot proof for the
> end user) would be to embed the single images in some "secret" place
> from which they might  be referenced and a different size  and
> location for the image could be locked  on each card.

Again, a group is one solution.  Or, place all your master images into a
substack "library" and create images and/or buttons that reference the
substack.

The methods for storing and displaying images in Rev/MC are actually very
numerous.  And with the recent introduction of PNG support, there's now
almost nothing that Rev/MC can't handle.  (Granted, my own wish is to have
irregular masks for image display, but there are workarounds for this.)

If anyone is running into a specific problem, post it to the list -- I'm
sure one of the knowledgeable people here will offer a solution.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Feb  4 15:22:00 2003
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue Feb  4 15:22:00 2003
Subject: Storing images
In-Reply-To: <20030204195052.48006.qmail@www.boxfrog.com>
Message-ID: <BA65600B.600A%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, "miscdas at boxfrog.com"  wrote:

>> There is no duplication of the image graphic when you do this; Rev just
>> inserts a temporary copy of the image into RAM just as addcolor does when
>> it draws the image to screen.

> Is a copy of the image placed into RAM, or is there just a pointer created
> that points to the RAM address of a single copy of the image?

Only one copy of an image is created; images are not duplicated unless you
physically create a duplicate image object.  And, any image displayed in
Rev/MC can "pointed to" by another image or button:

images = set the imageData of img image1 to the imageData of img image2

buttons = set the icon of btn button1 to the id of img image2

Also, keep in mind that your entire stack is loaded into RAM at startup, so
any images present in the stack will be loaded, regardless of they are
invisible, positioned off screen, or located in a substack.

If you want to conserve a tiny bit in terms of RAM, there is the
bufferHiddenImages property that you can play with, but you could see a
tradeoff in the time needed to decompress/display the image (see the docs
for more info).  Personally I'd rather have a little extra load time up
front and have everything available immediately, but the developers of
Rev/MC have given us the options to do what we want.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Feb  4 15:24:02 2003
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue Feb  4 15:24:02 2003
Subject: RevPrintField
Message-ID: <BA655CEA.2822%dan@clearvisiontech.com>

Fellow Revolutionaries...

Anyone experienced any problems with revPrintField on windows?

When I run this in a RR standalone on my Mac, it works fine:

On mouseUp
   revShowPrintDialog true,true
   revPrintField the name of field "aField"
End mouseUp

However, on Windows, it does nothing.  And, the result is empty.  Any
thoughts?  (Yes, I included the printing library in my standalone).

Thanks!
Dan



From harrison at all-auctions.com  Tue Feb  4 15:24:17 2003
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Tue Feb  4 15:24:17 2003
Subject: Furby.rev (a virtual Furby toy)
In-Reply-To: <20030204170341.66547.qmail@www.boxfrog.com>
Message-ID: <BA658A8F.2AA6%harrison@all-auctions.com>

on 2/4/2003 12:03 PM, miscdas at boxfrog.com at miscdas at boxfrog.com wrote:

> 
> Mr. Harrison, 
> 
> Perhaps you missed this address from above? n64william at yahoo.com
> 
> I'm sure young William would appreciate your direct response, rather than
> passing it through his father. Likewise, why make dad the middleman?
> 
> By the way, under Win XP pro, MetaCard, I can exit no problem using the
> window's native close button.
> 
> miscdas

miscdas,

I deliberately sent this to the list to inform others who might decide
to try the program that it doesn't quit properly under Mac OS 9.2.2.
I had to force quit it myself, and I wanted others to be forwarned.
I also thought that perhaps his Dad might be able to break the bad
news better to him than a stranger would.

I'm glad that it quits properly for you under Win XP.  I further imagine
that it probably quits fine under Mac OS X because of the native close
menu item under OS X.

I hope I've answered all of your questions to your satisfaction!

Mr. Harrison





From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Feb  4 15:35:00 2003
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue Feb  4 15:35:00 2003
Subject: Storing images
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0302041128120.29989-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <BBEIJJIICJJBOLMBODHCEEOIDNAA.chipp@chipp.com>

Judy,

Don't know about HC, but in RR when you delete the image....it's gone.

-Chipp

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Judy Perry
> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:35 PM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: Storing images
>
>
> Perhaps my gripe stems (as usual) from a lack of understanding.  I've
> tried something like this -- importing as a control some image.  But I
> didn't want it on the card where I imported it (not thinking about where I
> was; okay, it wasn't really me it was a student) and so I clicked on it
> and hit the delete key.  On the same card, I tried "show image imageName"
> and got nothing.  Now, if I recall correctly in HC, you can delete it on
> the card (or funny color draw) layer but the image is still there in the
> stack, waiting for you to show it again whenever you wish.
>
> Am I wrong?  It's always sooo nice to be wrong about such things!
>
> Judy
>
> On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
> > I think there's some confusion -- you don't have to embed an image
> > multiple times. Only one copy is needed. Actually, the Revolution way
> > acts almost identically to HyperCard's resource-fork method, the only
> > difference is that instead of placing the image in the Mac-only resource
> > fork, you place it somewhere in the stack itself (or in any stack that
> > is in the message hierarchy, such as a substack.) Once you get the image
> > imported, it can be used over and over again without any duplication,
> > just as addcolor does in HC.
> >
> > For example, in my Klondike game I have a card that the user never sees
> > which stores all the images the stack needs. The game uses
> > playing-card-sized buttons which constantly update their image to
> > simulate whatever playing card is currently "face up". Scripts change
> > the "playing card" button icon IDs as needed. It is a one-liner to place
> > a RAM-based copy of the image if you use a button as the image
> container.
> >
> > In HyperCard, we would issue "addcolor colorBtn" along with a long
> > string of parameters. This grabs a temporary copy of the image from the
> > resource fork and places it over a button. In Revolution, we issue "set
> > the icon of btn x to <myImgID>". This grabs a temporary copy of the
> > image from the data fork and places it into a button as the icon. An
> > extra advantage of this method is that, unlike addcolor images, you can
> > move the button around without worrying about leaving the image display
> > behind on screen.
> >
> > There is no duplication of the image graphic when you do this; Rev just
> > inserts a temporary copy of the image into RAM just as addcolor does
> > when it draws the image to screen. The only difference is the location
> > of the original source image and, of course, the syntax used to set the
> > button image.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From miscdas at boxfrog.com  Tue Feb  4 15:40:00 2003
From: miscdas at boxfrog.com (miscdas at boxfrog.com)
Date: Tue Feb  4 15:40:00 2003
Subject: Furby.rev (a virtual Furby toy)
In-Reply-To: <BA658A8F.2AA6%harrison@all-auctions.com> 
References: <BA658A8F.2AA6%harrison@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <20030204203623.41393.qmail@www.boxfrog.com>

Rick Harrison writes:
[snip]
> I hope I've answered all of your questions to your satisfaction! 
> 
> Mr. Harrison

Yes, you answered to my satisfaction the single question that I posed. Your 
additional commentary was useful as well. 

miscdas


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Feb  4 16:21:01 2003
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue Feb  4 16:21:01 2003
Subject: Storing images
References: <200302041952.OAA15812@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3E402DC7.8000200@hyperactivesw.com>

Judy Perry <jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu> wrote:
> Perhaps my gripe stems (as usual) from a lack of understanding.  I've
> tried something like this -- importing as a control some image.  But I
> didn't want it on the card where I imported it (not thinking about where I
> was; okay, it wasn't really me it was a student) and so I clicked on it
> and hit the delete key.  On the same card, I tried "show image imageName"
> and got nothing.  Now, if I recall correctly in HC, you can delete it on
> the card (or funny color draw) layer but the image is still there in the
> stack, waiting for you to show it again whenever you wish.
> 
> Am I wrong?  It's always sooo nice to be wrong about such things!

<smile> No, you aren't wrong. When you deleted the original imported 
image, you removed the image data. To compare to HC, that would be the 
equivalent of deleting an image from the resource fork. Whether it is 
the data fork or the resource fork, you've got to have an original 
somewhere for the engine to make copies of. Some of the confusion may be 
because resource forks are usually invisible, so the process of storing 
an image there isn't as obvious. But when you import an image into Rev, 
the object that appears on the card is the actual image data, not a copy 
of one stored elsewhere. The image you see on the card is exactly 
equivalent to the image data that HC stores in the resource fork. It's 
the original copy.

There are a couple of ways to deal with what happened. If you only need 
to display the image once in the stack, then just select the 
mis-imported image, cut, go to the card where it should have been 
imported, and paste it. If instead you want to use the image as the 
source for multiple copies: note its ID number and then, if you want to, 
hide the image. Wherever you want a copy displayed, make a button and 
set the button's icon to the ID of the image.

The general idea is: you need a source image no matter what. In HC, the 
source is stored in the resource fork where you can't see it. In Rev, 
the source is stored in the data fork where you *can* see it as an 
actual object on a card. Once a source image is available, both Rev and 
HC can display multiple copies of it; HC by using addcolor calls, Rev by 
using icon IDs.

All this applies only if you want to embed the images within the stack 
file. Others have posted about the advantages of reading the image from 
disk, which is another option. Depends on what you need to do, and how 
large the images are.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From miscdas at boxfrog.com  Tue Feb  4 16:29:01 2003
From: miscdas at boxfrog.com (miscdas at boxfrog.com)
Date: Tue Feb  4 16:29:01 2003
Subject: Furby.rev (a virtual Furby toy)
In-Reply-To: <20030204203623.41393.qmail@www.boxfrog.com> 
References: <BA658A8F.2AA6%harrison@all-auctions.com>
            <20030204203623.41393.qmail@www.boxfrog.com>
Message-ID: <20030204212519.48308.qmail@www.boxfrog.com>

Rick Harrison writes:
[snip]
> 
> It's cute, but there is no way to quit the application
> under OS 9.2.2 

You could have accomplished your goal of informing the list with the above 
line. 

Then you could have also sent a private message to William with your 
suggestion below, even leaving out any negative comments. If you are 
familiar with "sandwich a negative between two poitives", I'm sure you could 
have given him the "bad news" in a totally positive light.  Perhaps you have 
forgotten what it was like to be eleven? Any kind of recognition from the 
adult world for an accomplishment does wonders for a child's psyche. 

> You might want to tell William to try adding some sounds
> to spice it up. 
==
miscdas


From ttasovac at princeton.edu  Tue Feb  4 16:37:02 2003
From: ttasovac at princeton.edu (Toma Tasovac)
Date: Tue Feb  4 16:37:02 2003
Subject: unicode in pre-beta
In-Reply-To: <F66CBFFE-3878-11D7-8B5C-000393AD9396@pixelmedia.com.au>
Message-ID: <2F5DA826-3888-11D7-8D51-000393D60E0C@princeton.edu>

I agree, there are serious Unicode problems in pre-beta -- I have 
already written to Tuviah about it, and will share the info with the 
list if he gets back to me.

Also, I've discovered that pre-beta wouldn't open a stack in OS X  if 
it's contained within a folder that has Cyrillic characters in its 
name.  Once I moved the stacks to the desktop, I could open them 
without any problems.  Interestingly enough, 1.1.1 didn't care if the 
folder names were non-English.

T.

On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 08:43  PM, Igor de Oliveira Couto 
wrote:

>
>> Tuviah wrote:
>>
>>>  I'm personally
>>> look forward to feedback on Unicode,
>>
>> I was anxiously awaiting Unicode, but after playing with it for just 
>> a few minutes, it doesn't seem to be working very well yet (Mac OS 
>> 10.1.5, Jpnese kotoeri input).

> I must also admit I've found the international character handling 
> still quite unacceptable at this pre-beta stage. I have been working 
> on an Esperanto stack, a language which uses characters such as 
> c+circumflex (?), g+circumflex (?), and u+breve (?) among others. All 
> these have to be typed with the 'US Extended' keyboard layout in MacOS 
> X (10.2).
>
>
> Igor
> ----------------------------------
> igor at pixelmedia.com.au
> ----------------------------------
________________________________
Toma Tasovac
Princeton University
Department of Comparative Literature
91 Prospect Avenue
Princeton, NJ 08544
USA

ttasovac at princeton.edu
ttasovac at post.harvard.edu



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  4 16:40:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Tue Feb  4 16:40:01 2003
Subject: QT Movies playing roughly
In-Reply-To: <p05100301ba65a5cd9490@[62.30.170.67]>
Message-ID: <20030204213619.5509.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Graham Samuel <livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 04:44:32 -0800 (PST) Jan Schenkel
> 
> <janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >Hi Graham,
> >
> >A few things spring to mind:
> >- Is it possible that another object overlaps the
> >player ?
> >- What's the setting of the 'alwaysBuffer' property
> of
> >the player and the stack ?
> >
> >Jan Schenkel.
> 
> Hi Jan
> 
> Thanks for the interest. The alwaysBuffer of the
> mainstack, the 
> substack in question and the player objects are all
> set to true. I'm 
> not sure what you mean by 'overlap', but naturally
> as the user drags 
> the player object it passes across a number of other
> objects - 
> usually rectangular graphics without scripts in
> them. The players 
> never enter each other's space, as it were, although
> they are 
> sometimes asked to play simultaneously (this doesn't
> seem to be a 
> problem in itself).
> 
> Do underlying objects get messages saying the
> drag/grab is taking 
> place? If so, I could try to investigate these.
> 
> So far then, no real answer - but thanks again.
> 
> Graham
> -- 

Hi Graham,

Even though buffering eliminates flicker, it takes up
cpu-time and memory, so that may actually be slowing
the display down, especially in low-memory situations
where the OS has to swap memory to hard disk.
As for overlapping: what I mean is if one of the
rectangles goes straight 'through' a player object ?
Because then RunRev has to do extra work: it has to
get the frame from QuickTime, and then draw the piece
of rectangle over it, and it has to do it every frame
it shows.


From sdwagen at punahou.edu  Tue Feb  4 16:51:00 2003
From: sdwagen at punahou.edu (Steve Wagenseller)
Date: Tue Feb  4 16:51:00 2003
Subject: Furby.rev (a virtual Furby toy)
In-Reply-To: <20030204212519.48308.qmail@www.boxfrog.com>
Message-ID: <64DD0EDD-388A-11D7-8DF7-003065905428@punahou.edu>

On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 11:25  AM, miscdas at boxfrog.com wrote:

>  Any kind of recognition from the adult world for an accomplishment 
> does wonders for a child's psyche.

Thanks for sharing!

S.



From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Feb  4 18:53:01 2003
From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel)
Date: Tue Feb  4 18:53:01 2003
Subject: QT Movies playing roughly
Message-ID: <p05100303ba65ecbf3fde@[62.30.170.67]>

On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 13:08:11 -0500  Howard Bornstein 
<bornstein at designeq.com> wrote:
>
>This may be a bit odd but maybe, if the cause is that your computer is
>underpowered, you can ease its burden by setting the playrate of the
>player to a value lower than 1. This will cause the movie to play slower,
>which may give it a smoother appearance.
>
>Unfortunately, this screws up the soundtrack, which means you may have to
>separate the soundtrack into a different file and play it simultaneously
>with the movie. If it doesn't need to be "synced" to the movie, though,
>this might work.

Thanks Howard, but the idea of these movies is to show something 
specific by speed variations (it's an electrical simulation, so that 
the more 'volts' that are applied to the object shown in the movie, 
the faster it moves, etc. And if the polarity is reversed, the movie 
goes into reverse - these effects can be achieved in a few lines of 
script for a QT movie). The change of sound pitch with the different 
speeds adds to the realism of the movie, so that's OK. However what I 
want is that the movie plays according to spec, I mean if my script 
demands that it's 15 fps then it should be 15, not 15, 15, 12, 3, 0, 
0 , 0, 15 at successive intervals, which is what I'm getting now.

What I really can't understand is why the movies should play roughly 
from within the Revolution environment, but normally when run by the 
QuickTime Movie Player on the same machine - isn't the QT Player just 
a different wrapper around the API that the Revo engine uses? BTW, 
these movies worked fine on quite early PowerPC chips (I am rewriting 
an old SuperCard app as a training exercise, so the movies have been 
around quite a time).

On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 06:44:06 -0600  "Chipp Walters" <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:
>
>Graham,
>
>Are you using any "on idle" handlers to control the animation?
>
>You might also want to look at an animaged gif for this type of thing.
>Also, look at the 'send' command instead of 'on idle' (if you're using it).
>

Chipp, thanks for your interest - Nope, there are absolutely no 'on 
idle' handlers in my code as far as I know. While the movie is 
playing, the app isn't doing anything at all apart from waiting for 
mouse activity within the Revo engine.

I'm not too familiar with the details of animated gifs, but I'm not 
sure that the speed variations, reverses and sound tracks could be 
generated with the same simplicity as with a QT movie. QT seems to be 
absolutely made for the job.

Gentlemen, I'm sure there is an explanation, and I would take a bet 
that it lies with my own stupidity, but I haven't spotted it yet.

Graham
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------
          Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France


From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Feb  4 19:04:00 2003
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue Feb  4 19:04:00 2003
Subject: QT Movies playing roughly
In-Reply-To: <p05100303ba65ecbf3fde@[62.30.170.67]>
Message-ID: <BBEIJJIICJJBOLMBODHCEEPCDNAA.chipp@chipp.com>

Graham,

If you care to post it to a website, I'd be glad to DL it and take a look at
it for you. I'm on a WinXP system though...

-Chipp



From diskot123 at juno.com  Tue Feb  4 19:23:01 2003
From: diskot123 at juno.com (Tuviah M Snyder)
Date: Tue Feb  4 19:23:01 2003
Subject: unicode in pre-beta
Message-ID: <20030204.191645.3876.1.diskot123@juno.com>

>You can now type and edit Japanese OK in a 
>single field, which is nice, but you cannot seem to move anything from 
>one field to another via script without it messing up (although 
>copy/paste works OK). 
Try

set the unicodetext of fld 2 to the unicodetext of fld 1

or to preserve styles

set the htmltext of fld 2 to the htmltext of fld 1

Of course you can set the textfont of the second field to a unicode font,
and it should just work. Whether text displays in unicode depends on it's
textfont. I recall HC actually saved the textfont information in a
variable, which led to sluggish performance, but may have been why it
worked there.

> Moreover, if you want to delete or move a single 
>Jpnese 2 byte character, you must still treat it as two characters (eg. 
>delete character 1 to 2 of field 1 deletes just the first Jpnese 
>character).
Well if the field is all unicode, you can assume that every character is
2 bytes. It actually simplifies a lot of chunk operations, and is cross
platform. Because the engine supports binary data, and because text in a
field may be unicode or non unicode we decided to stay with referencing
text in a field by byte, rather than character. I mean suppose you move
the text from a field to a custom property, and then into a variable,
should it retain the textfont of the field it was originally from?

Tuviah Snyder <tuviah at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development


From jswitte at bloomington.in.us  Tue Feb  4 19:57:01 2003
From: jswitte at bloomington.in.us (Jim Witte)
Date: Tue Feb  4 19:57:01 2003
Subject: Storing images 
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0302032102310.14954-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <2E3AAD90-38A4-11D7-B514-000393BF0854@bloomington.in.us>

>> *embedded* into the stacks; if you don't, you can leave them on disk 
>> and reference them as many times
> I understand that the resource fork thing was very MacClassic oriented.
> Still, one wonders why there isn't a ca 1987 elegant, modern solution 
> in
> 2003. [..] why, once you've embedded something, you have to re-embed 
> it with each
> usage.

   I haven't read this thread *that* closely or done much (anything 
really) with embedding images yet, so excuse my ignorance if 
appropriate.  Would it be possible to embed the image on one card (like 
a PICT resource or whatnot), and then reference that image other places 
in the stack (to avoid "re-embedding bloat")?

Jim



From diskot123 at juno.com  Tue Feb  4 19:59:00 2003
From: diskot123 at juno.com (Tuviah M Snyder)
Date: Tue Feb  4 19:59:00 2003
Subject: use-revolution digest, Vol 1 #1102 - 14 msgs
Message-ID: <20030204.195247.3876.6.diskot123@juno.com>

>I must also admit I've found the international character handling still 
>quite unacceptable at this pre-beta stage. I have been working on an 
>Esperanto stack, a language which uses characters such as c+circumflex 
>(??), g+circumflex (??), and u+breve (??) among others. All these have
to 
>be typed with the 'US Extended' keyboard layout in MacOS X (10.2).
OK, please do me a favor, and send me sample stacks so I can test with
these languages to tuviah at runrev.com 

>I believe the problem is that a lot of the 'internal' text routines in 
>Revolution are actually handled by scripts, and transcript does not 
>seem to REALLY be able to handle Unicode
Wrong. If anything it's the opposite, many of the internal engine
routines were rewritten from scratch to support Unicode (You asked for it
you got it!)The UI is in the process of being adjusted to keep up with
these changes.

Tuviah Snyder <tuviah at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development


From katir at hindu.org  Tue Feb  4 20:10:00 2003
From: katir at hindu.org (Sannyasin Sivakatirswami)
Date: Tue Feb  4 20:10:00 2003
Subject: Storing images 
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0302032102310.14954-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <0EC12D82-38A6-11D7-8316-003065FB9830@hindu.org>

What is the difference between storing it in a resource fork and 
storing it in a substack, or as an image in a group that can be placed 
on any card. Both the latter do not add any more data to the 
stack...there is only one copy of the imagedata in the stack even 
though it appears in multiple instances.

On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 07:09 PM, Judy Perry wrote:

> I understand that the resource fork thing was very MacClassic oriented.
> Still, one wonders why there isn't a ca 1987 elegant, modern solution 
> in
> 2003.
>
> Yes, there are many different ways of doing one thing; problem is, it
> doesn't matter if they're all equally inelegant/non-intuitive.
>
> Maybe it's the non-assembly code programmer in me, but it's just not 
> clear
> why, once you've embedded something, you have to re-embed it with each
> usage.  This is just nuts.  This results in bloatware.



From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Tue Feb  4 20:13:01 2003
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Tue Feb  4 20:13:01 2003
Subject: Storing images 
In-Reply-To: <2E3AAD90-38A4-11D7-B514-000393BF0854@bloomington.in.us>
Message-ID: <FLEGJBMJADGKMCHIMFOHOEDHCOAA.monte@sweattechnologies.com>

Would it be possible to embed the image on one card (like
> a PICT resource or whatnot), and then reference that image other places
> in the stack (to avoid "re-embedding bloat")?
>
Hi Jim

Using a PICT resource is how you do it HyperCard. In Rev there is an image
control. The image data that the image control displays can be either
imported into the image control and saved with the stack or you can set the
fileName property of the image to use an external file.

To answer your question: Each control has an id. You can use the id of an
image as an icon reference in a button. So if you want to display the image
again you find out the id of the image then create a new transparent button
and set the icon of the button to the id of the image.

Cheers

Monte



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue Feb  4 20:13:47 2003
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue Feb  4 20:13:47 2003
Subject: Storing images 
In-Reply-To: <0EC12D82-38A6-11D7-8316-003065FB9830@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0302041708170.6849-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

I think that what I really need is a 12-step program for recovering
resource fork-aholics...

;-)

Judy

On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Sannyasin Sivakatirswami wrote:

> What is the difference between storing it in a resource fork and
> storing it in a substack, or as an image in a group that can be placed
> on any card. Both the latter do not add any more data to the
> stack...there is only one copy of the imagedata in the stack even
> though it appears in multiple instances.



From jeanne at runrev.com  Tue Feb  4 21:25:10 2003
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Tue Feb  4 21:25:10 2003
Subject: Furby.rev (a virtual Furby toy)
In-Reply-To: <BA658A8F.2AA6%harrison@all-auctions.com>
References: <20030204170341.66547.qmail@www.boxfrog.com>
Message-ID: <v03130338ba660811ad14@[10.0.1.2]>

At 12:19 PM -0800 2/4/03, Rick Harrison wrote:
>I deliberately sent this to the list to inform others who might decide
>to try the program that it doesn't quit properly under Mac OS 9.2.2.


This brings up a tip that some might not know about:

Since Revolution quits when its last window closes (and this also applies
to Revolution applications), you can quit an application like "Furby" even
if it doesn't have a menu bar of its own, by closing its stack window. This
applies to all platforms, so long as the close box hasn't been removed
(it's there in the Furby stack).

That being said, I know tensions have been high but surely we can have a
little fun with a cute and creative game like this, from a young
programmer, without some of the sniping I've seen today? Please.

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From timothy.hart5 at verizon.net  Tue Feb  4 21:57:01 2003
From: timothy.hart5 at verizon.net (Tim Hart)
Date: Tue Feb  4 21:57:01 2003
Subject: Playing Mp3s and keeping them going
Message-ID: <E8C61114-38B4-11D7-A529-0003938DD75E@verizon.net>

Hello all,
	Hope 2.0 comes out soon.  Just wondering if anyone can tell me how to 
keep a sound file playing when I go from card to card.  I have set a 
player and set it to play on preopencard.  I want it to keep playing 
when I go to the next card.  Any help?

Thanks.
tim



From kkaufman at snet.net  Tue Feb  4 22:55:01 2003
From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman)
Date: Tue Feb  4 22:55:01 2003
Subject: Playing Mp3s and keeping them going
Message-ID: <11B3AAAF-38BD-11D7-B342-0003936D1F12@snet.net>

Tim,
What happens if the player is part of a group which appears on all 
cards?  Or how about playing the sound file as an imported audioClip?  
(I'm phrasing this as a question because I don't know the answer, but 
you might try these possibilities if no one else steps in with a 
definitive answer).

HTH, Kurt



From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Tue Feb  4 23:11:01 2003
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Tue Feb  4 23:11:01 2003
Subject: QT Movies playing roughly
In-Reply-To: <p05100301ba65a5cd9490@[62.30.170.67]>
Message-ID: <3DAEDFA0-38BF-11D7-9B1F-000393AEC28C@unimelb.edu.au>

On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 04:20 AM, Graham Samuel wrote:

> On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 04:44:32 -0800 (PST) Jan Schenkel 
> <janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Graham,
>>
>> A few things spring to mind:
>> - Is it possible that another object overlaps the
>> player ?
>> - What's the setting of the 'alwaysBuffer' property of
>> the player and the stack ?
>>
>> Jan Schenkel.
>
> Hi Jan
>
> Thanks for the interest. The alwaysBuffer of the mainstack, the 
> substack in question and the player objects are all set to true. I'm 
> not sure what you mean by 'overlap', but naturally as the user drags 
> the player object it passes across a number of other objects - usually 
> rectangular graphics without scripts in them. The players never enter 
> each other's space, as it were, although they are sometimes asked to 
> play simultaneously (this doesn't seem to be a problem in itself).

And herein lies your problem - trying to drag 'active' player objects 
around the screen is bound to cause problems even on very fast systems. 
Hate to say it but this sort of task would probably be better solved 
using either Director or Flash without reference to QT.

Cheers,

Terry...
>
> Do underlying objects get messages saying the drag/grab is taking 
> place? If so, I could try to investigate these.
>
> So far then, no real answer - but thanks again.
>
> Graham
> -- 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
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> _______________________________________________
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>



From Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi  Wed Feb  5 01:13:01 2003
From: Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Esa_Kivel=E4?=)
Date: Wed Feb  5 01:13:01 2003
Subject: VS: VS: pre-beta
Message-ID: <961D94BBE7448D4C8E4440CB7920D9E02AD637@ktk7.ad.kuluttajatutkimuskeskus.fi>


> -----Alkuper?inen viesti-----
> L?hett?j?: Kevin Miller [mailto:kevin at runrev.com]
> L?hetetty: 4. helmikuuta 2003 17:35
> Vastaanottaja: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Aihe: Re: VS: pre-beta
> 
> 
> On 4/2/03 6:19 am, Esa Kivel? <Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi> wrote:
> 
> > Btw, did You guys fix in RR 2.0 that printing problem wich 
> prints many pages
> > ie. from text field and in the pages are only few lines of 
> text per page?
> 
> Please test it and let us know if it is still happening for you.

Yep as soon as I get that RR 2.0 update for RR 1.1 :-) 

Others have also discuss that problem also in the list.

EsaK


From Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi  Wed Feb  5 01:22:00 2003
From: Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Esa_Kivel=E4?=)
Date: Wed Feb  5 01:22:00 2003
Subject: VS: newbie:visuall effect
Message-ID: <961D94BBE7448D4C8E4440CB7920D9E02AD638@ktk7.ad.kuluttajatutkimuskeskus.fi>


> -----Alkuper?inen viesti-----
> L?hett?j?: Judy Perry [mailto:jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu]
> L?hetetty: 4. helmikuuta 2003 21:13
> Vastaanottaja: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Aihe: Re: newbie:visuall effect
> 
> 
> Hi Esa,

Greetings from Finland :-)

> 
> I believe visual effects could perhaps be better thought of 
> as 'transition
> effects' -- as in when one moves from one card to another.

*Nods* I use that too but in that LPMUD editor, wich I code by RR its used to show some help text fields (ie. how set room attributes [light, direcrtions where MUD player can move], how make weapons, monsters, doors, armours etc.) and their hide buttons.

EsaK


From Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi  Wed Feb  5 01:42:01 2003
From: Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Esa_Kivel=E4?=)
Date: Wed Feb  5 01:42:01 2003
Subject: pre-beta -> print bug?
Message-ID: <961D94BBE7448D4C8E4440CB7920D9E02AD639@ktk7.ad.kuluttajatutkimuskeskus.fi>


> -----Alkuper?inen viesti-----
> L?hett?j?: Kevin Miller [mailto:kevin at runrev.com]
> L?hetetty: 4. helmikuuta 2003 17:35
> Vastaanottaja: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Aihe: Re: VS: pre-beta
> 
> 
> On 4/2/03 6:19 am, Esa Kivel? <Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi> wrote:
> 
> > Btw, did You guys fix in RR 2.0 that printing problem wich 
> prints many pages
> > ie. from text field and in the pages are only few lines of 
> text per page?
> 
> Please test it and let us know if it is still happening for you.
 
Yep I downloaded that pre beta 2.0 and yes same result: its print to one text field about 30 lines text -> about 35 pages and in one page is only 4-7 lines text and large pace between lines.

System: Windows 2000 
prinnter: RICOH Afigio 1045 (LAN printter)
RR vesrion where tested that problem: RR 1.1.1 (licensed), 2.0 pre beta

Kevin: I can send that stack to You if You can see it? It's a so call "training generator" to my group wich randomly pick up one training and there is a print button wich print that text field if someone like to get print about that training. 

EsaK


From Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi  Wed Feb  5 01:43:01 2003
From: Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Esa_Kivel=E4?=)
Date: Wed Feb  5 01:43:01 2003
Subject: pre-beta print bug?
Message-ID: <961D94BBE7448D4C8E4440CB7920D9E02AD63A@ktk7.ad.kuluttajatutkimuskeskus.fi>


> -----Alkuper?inen viesti-----
> L?hett?j?: Esa Kivel? 
> L?hetetty: 5. helmikuuta 2003 8:38
> Vastaanottaja: 'use-revolution at lists.runrev.com'
> Kopio: 'mailto:kevin at runrev.com'
> Aihe: pre-beta -> print bug?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Alkuper?inen viesti-----
> > L?hett?j?: Kevin Miller [mailto:kevin at runrev.com]
> > L?hetetty: 4. helmikuuta 2003 17:35
> > Vastaanottaja: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Aihe: Re: VS: pre-beta
> > 
> > 
> > On 4/2/03 6:19 am, Esa Kivel? <Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi> wrote:
> > 
> > > Btw, did You guys fix in RR 2.0 that printing problem wich 
> > prints many pages
> > > ie. from text field and in the pages are only few lines of 
> > text per page?
> > 
> > Please test it and let us know if it is still happening for you.
>  
> Yep I downloaded that pre beta 2.0 and yes same result: its 
> print to one text field about 30 lines text -> about 35 pages 
> and in one page is only 4-7 lines text and large pace between lines.
> 
> System: Windows 2000 
> prinnter: RICOH Afigio 1045 (LAN printter)
> RR vesrion where tested that problem: RR 1.1.1 (licensed), 
> 2.0 pre beta
> 
> Kevin: I can send that stack to You if You can see it? It's a 
> so call "training generator" to my group wich randomly pick 
> up one training and there is a print button wich print that 
> text field if someone like to get print about that training. 
> 
> EsaK
> 


From Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi  Wed Feb  5 01:46:01 2003
From: Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Esa_Kivel=E4?=)
Date: Wed Feb  5 01:46:01 2003
Subject: VS: RevPrintField
Message-ID: <961D94BBE7448D4C8E4440CB7920D9E02AD63B@ktk7.ad.kuluttajatutkimuskeskus.fi>


> -----Alkuper?inen viesti-----
> L?hett?j?: Dan Friedman [mailto:dan at clearvisiontech.com]
> L?hetetty: 4. helmikuuta 2003 22:05
> Vastaanottaja: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Aihe: RevPrintField
> 
> 
> Fellow Revolutionaries...
> 
> Anyone experienced any problems with revPrintField on windows?

*EsaK rase his hand up* Disscussed earlier with subject "pre-beta -> print bug?" in this list

EsaK


From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Wed Feb  5 02:01:02 2003
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed Feb  5 02:01:02 2003
Subject: Pre-Beta for 2.0 for Mac OS
In-Reply-To: <20030203232956.43987.qmail@web20003.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FBF231BD-38D6-11D7-97F5-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com>

Rev Navigator does this in Revolution -- and a lot more:
http://www.inspiredlogic.com/navigator

On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 03:29 PM, erik hansen wrote:

> except that i miss the MC tool that showed all of
> the controls grouped by groups.
>

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com



From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Wed Feb  5 02:06:01 2003
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Wed Feb  5 02:06:01 2003
Subject: pre-beta -> print bug?
In-Reply-To: <961D94BBE7448D4C8E4440CB7920D9E02AD639@ktk7.ad.kuluttajatutkimuskeskus.fi>
Message-ID: <FLEGJBMJADGKMCHIMFOHKEDKCOAA.monte@sweattechnologies.com>

Hi Esa

It's quite likely that this is a printer driver bug. I think that the reason
that Rev users see it and other software doesn't have a problem is because
the revPrinField command sets the fixedLineHeight to false. If you test on
your system the with following code:

set the fixedLineHeight of fld 1 to false
set the formatForPrinting of this stack to true

I'm reasonably confident that you will see what is being printed.

So the best we can do is ask RunRev to set all the properties of the
templateField to the source field reference and then make sure that we
ourselves use fixedLineHeight in our fields.

Regards

Mente



From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  5 02:16:01 2003
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (erik hansen)
Date: Wed Feb  5 02:16:01 2003
Subject: Pre-Beta for 2.0 for Mac OS
In-Reply-To: <FBF231BD-38D6-11D7-97F5-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <20030205071156.5942.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com>
wrote:
> Rev Navigator does this in Revolution -- and a
> lot more:
> http://www.inspiredlogic.com/navigator
> 
> On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 03:29 PM, erik
> hansen wrote:
> 
> > except that i miss the MC tool that showed
> all of
> > the controls grouped by groups.

looks great.
how does Navigator compliment Application Overview?

=====
erik at erikhansen.org    http://www.erikhansen.org

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From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Feb  5 04:00:01 2003
From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel)
Date: Wed Feb  5 04:00:01 2003
Subject: QT Movies playing roughly/dragging
Message-ID: <p05100300ba6679d645b3@[62.30.170.67]>

Folks, I appear to be guilty of confusing the list about two separate 
problems I have. The result is that people have given me advice which 
doesn't quite fit either case.

Problem One is that I find that small QT movies play roughly/jerkily 
on all platforms.

Problem Two is that certain image objects can't keep up with the 
mouse when moved around the screen by my user under control of a 
'grab' command. I can't see the difference in the script or the image 
characteristics of these misbehaving objects and others that allow 
themselves to be grabbed without problems. This issue seems only to 
affect Windows builds on slowish PCs.

The confusion arises because I mentioned in one mail that the reason 
for using QT movies rather than some other type of animation is that 
I want to allow my user to move the player objects around the screen 
- but the player objects are never playing while they're being moved: 
I only set them playing when they arrive at specific spots on the 
screen. Thus comments to the effect "you shouldn't expect good 
performance if you let your user move a player object while the movie 
is actually playing" don't apply to my case.

Using the good advice of folks on this list I will now experiment 
with the various parameters suggested for the two issues, and report 
back under separate headings.

Thanks for everyone's help so far, and apologies for the confusion.

Graham
>

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------
          Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France


From Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi  Wed Feb  5 04:55:01 2003
From: Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Esa_Kivel=E4?=)
Date: Wed Feb  5 04:55:01 2003
Subject: VS: pre-beta -> print bug?
Message-ID: <961D94BBE7448D4C8E4440CB7920D9E02AD63D@ktk7.ad.kuluttajatutkimuskeskus.fi>


> -----Alkuper?inen viesti-----
> L?hett?j?: Monte Goulding [mailto:monte at sweattechnologies.com]
> L?hetetty: 5. helmikuuta 2003 9:02
> Vastaanottaja: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Aihe: RE: pre-beta -> print bug?
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Esa

Greetings :-)

> 
> It's quite likely that this is a printer driver bug. I think 
> that the reason
> that Rev users see it and other software doesn't have a 
> problem is because
> the revPrinField command sets the fixedLineHeight to false. 
> If you test on
> your system the with following code:
> 
> set the fixedLineHeight of fld 1 to false
> set the formatForPrinting of this stack to true
> 
> I'm reasonably confident that you will see what is being printed.
> 
> So the best we can do is ask RunRev to set all the properties of the
> templateField to the source field reference and then make sure that we
> ourselves use fixedLineHeight in our fields.

Tested and won't help. Same print result reamins: only about 4-7 lines per each page, whole about 30 pages from only one text filed where is about 40 line. 

The newest printter dirve has installed.

So that problem remains with RR.

EsaK


From wmb at internettrainer.com  Wed Feb  5 06:15:01 2003
From: wmb at internettrainer.com (Wolfgang M. Bereuter)
Date: Wed Feb  5 06:15:01 2003
Subject: Pre-Beta for 2.0 for Mac OS
In-Reply-To: <20030203230341.75868.qmail@web20009.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <76D4A3C6-38FA-11D7-815C-003065430226@internettrainer.com>

On Dienstag, Februar 4, 2003, at 12:03  Uhr, erik hansen wrote:

> could there be an advantage to developing an app
> in RR then running it in MC?

yes, a big one: a stable updated (actual) MC engine...(what we can 
expect first time in 2.0)

regards
Wolfgang M. Bereuter

Learn easy with trainingsmaps?

INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter
Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria
...............................
http://www.internettrainer.com, wmb at internettrainer.com
...............................
Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539



From wmb at internettrainer.com  Wed Feb  5 06:20:01 2003
From: wmb at internettrainer.com (Wolfgang M. Bereuter)
Date: Wed Feb  5 06:20:01 2003
Subject: Pre-Beta for 2.0 for Mac OS
In-Reply-To: <20030203232956.43987.qmail@web20003.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2C702AD8-38FB-11D7-815C-003065430226@internettrainer.com>

On Dienstag, Februar 4, 2003, at 12:29  Uhr, erik hansen wrote:

> the thing is, it just FEELS better to work in RR.
that the point for some (lot) of us;))

> except that i miss the MC tool that showed all of
> the controls grouped by groups.

have a look german rev board. There is a MC stack from Klaus.
Maybe thats what you are looking for...

regards
Wolfgang M. Bereuter

Learn easy with trainingsmaps?

INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter
Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria
...............................
http://www.internettrainer.com, wmb at internettrainer.com
...............................
Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539



From wmb at internettrainer.com  Wed Feb  5 06:27:01 2003
From: wmb at internettrainer.com (Wolfgang M. Bereuter)
Date: Wed Feb  5 06:27:01 2003
Subject: Storing images 
In-Reply-To: <20030204001055.6685.qmail@web20010.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1B191B58-38FC-11D7-815C-003065430226@internettrainer.com>

On Dienstag, Februar 4, 2003, at 01:10  Uhr, erik hansen wrote:

> any benefit of importing the image files?

for example what I use it for: a stack structure where stacks can 
easily be changed (updated) even from unexperienced users without 
thinking in the file path...
or change the whole app from one medium f.o. Cd, net to any other 
medium HD USB Drive stick Firewire etc...
also without thinking in the file path...
my non scripter 2 cent...

regards
Wolfgang M. Bereuter

Learn easy with trainingsmaps?

INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter
Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria
...............................
http://www.internettrainer.com, wmb at internettrainer.com
...............................
Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Wed Feb  5 07:53:01 2003
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Wed Feb  5 07:53:01 2003
Subject: Rotating Images without enlarging the image space
In-Reply-To: <EECE4F71-3422-11D7-B3AF-000393924880@limelight.com.au>
Message-ID: <BA66B7AC.53BB%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

> Does anyone know how to rotate an image by 90 degrees without creating
> a larger image?  I need to rotate clock or anti-clockwise by a straight
> 90 degrees.  Problem is, all rotations seem to enlarge to the square of
> the largest side.  Save moving the data pixel-by-pixel using a
> Transcript matrix transform (slowish) is there another way?  I don't
> fancy lots of imagedata manipulation... I'm sure there is a simple way.
> Currently I'm rotating, grouping and resizing group (brings corners
> in).  Not good.

Unfortunately there isn't, AFAIK, an option to rotate without enlarge; the
only solution I have found is to rotate then crop.  Using the built-in
rotate, and then 'manually' (ie in a transcript function) cropping, is still
much quicker than writing your own rorate code (at least, with my attempt!).
Depending on your needs, you can write your own crop routine now (remember -
using 'repeat for each', although more clumsy, is _much_ faster than 'repeat
with'); or wait for Rev 2.0 which has a crop command built in.

 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866




From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Wed Feb  5 07:57:01 2003
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Wed Feb  5 07:57:01 2003
Subject: [OT] ODBC driver for SQL Server on MacOS X?
Message-ID: <BA66B888.53BC%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

Slightly off-topic, but I only want this so I can use it with the revdb
functions...

Does anyone know how I can get hold of an ODBC driver to let my rev app on
MacOS X access MS SQL Server databases on the network?

TIA,
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866




From jhurley at infostations.com  Wed Feb  5 08:15:00 2003
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Wed Feb  5 08:15:00 2003
Subject: Storing  images
In-Reply-To: <200302042355.SAA23224@www.runrev.com>
References: <200302042355.SAA23224@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05010400ba66b7d00540@[66.81.58.146]>

>Jim Hurley wrote:
>
>
>>  Perhaps "inelegant" isn't the word, but it can be cumbersome to set
>>  the button icon to the image if you want to use different sizes on
>>  different card. You need a preOpenCard handler on each card on which
>>  the image appears in order to set the size of the image on that card.
>>  (If you lock the position and size you needn't worry about  the
>>  location. That is held fixed. But you can reset the size through the
>>  script even though the  imaged is lock.)



Scott Rossi wrote:
>If I understand the intent of your comment, you should consider using
>groups.  If you want an image to appear on every card, simply place it in a
>group whose backgroundBehavior is set to true.  This way the image will
>appear on every card that contains the group with no preOpenCard necessary.
>If you want a card with no image, simply remove the group from that card.
>

Scott,

I'm afraid I didn't make myself clear. I was addressing  the  issue 
in which the image appears on certain select cards, perhaps two or 
three, *and* they are to be of different sizes. Under these 
circumstances, referencing the  image from the disk is the simpler 
method; otherwise a preOpenCard script is necessary to rezise the 
image stored in the icon.


>  > A more elegant or less cumbersome solution (and idiot proof for the
>  > end user) would be to embed the single images in some "secret" place
>>  from which they might  be referenced and a different size  and
>>  location for the image could be locked  on each card.
>
>Again, a group is one solution.  Or, place all your master images into a
>substack "library" and create images and/or buttons that reference the
>substack.

Thank you for this suggestion. A group wouldn't work for me--the 
image is to be placed only on selective cards. But importing from a 
substack might. How does one import the image from the subgroup to 
the main stack? And may the image then be sized on each card in the 
main stack when imported without appending a preOpenCard script?

>The methods for storing and displaying images in Rev/MC are actually very
>numerous.  And with the recent introduction of PNG support, there's now
>almost nothing that Rev/MC can't handle.  (Granted, my own wish is to have
>irregular masks for image display, but there are workarounds for this.)
>
>If anyone is running into a specific problem, post it to the list -- I'm
>sure one of the knowledgeable people here will offer a solution.

Thank you again; you have already offered possible solutions.

Jim


From James.Cass at sealedair.com  Wed Feb  5 09:21:01 2003
From: James.Cass at sealedair.com (James.Cass at sealedair.com)
Date: Wed Feb  5 09:21:01 2003
Subject: [OT]:  Revolution Polo Shirts/T-Shirts
Message-ID: <OF1736D306.A4340A17-ON85256CC4.004D9796-85256CC4.004E6945@sealedair.com>

This may have come up before, but are there any plans to have Revolution 
apparel?
I would proudly wear a Revolution Polo-type shirt to work.
T-Shirts and caps would be schweet as well.

Just don't stop working on Rev. 2 for this!    :-)

Revolution rocks!
-Cassj
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From bvlahos at mac.com  Wed Feb  5 10:41:01 2003
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Wed Feb  5 10:41:01 2003
Subject: [OT]:  Revolution Polo Shirts/T-Shirts
In-Reply-To: <OF1736D306.A4340A17-ON85256CC4.004D9796-85256CC4.004E6945@sealedair.com>
Message-ID: <997E093E-391F-11D7-859F-0003936A2C42@mac.com>

I agree. A cap would be the best for me.

Bill Vlahos

On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 06:12  AM, James.Cass at sealedair.com 
wrote:

>
> This may have come up before, but are there any plans to have 
> Revolution apparel?
> I would proudly wear a Revolution Polo-type shirt to work.
> T-Shirts and caps would be schweet as well.
>
> Just don't stop working on Rev. 2 for this! ? ?:-)
>
> Revolution rocks!
> -Cassj
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From revlists at canelasoftware.com  Wed Feb  5 10:46:01 2003
From: revlists at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Wed Feb  5 10:46:01 2003
Subject: Rotating Images without enlarging the image space
In-Reply-To: <BA66B7AC.53BB%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <5F8B383E-3920-11D7-9669-000393C3F5BC@canelasoftware.com>

On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 04:47 AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote:

>> Does anyone know how to rotate an image by 90 degrees without creating
>> a larger image?  I need to rotate clock or anti-clockwise by a 
>> straight
>> 90 degrees.  Problem is, all rotations seem to enlarge to the square 
>> of
>> the largest side.  Save moving the data pixel-by-pixel using a
>> Transcript matrix transform (slowish) is there another way?  I don't
>> fancy lots of imagedata manipulation... I'm sure there is a simple 
>> way.
>> Currently I'm rotating, grouping and resizing group (brings corners
>> in).  Not good.
>
> Unfortunately there isn't, AFAIK, an option to rotate without enlarge; 
> the
> only solution I have found is to rotate then crop.  Using the built-in
> rotate, and then 'manually' (ie in a transcript function) cropping, is 
> still
> much quicker than writing your own rorate code (at least, with my 
> attempt!).
> Depending on your needs, you can write your own crop routine now 
> (remember -
> using 'repeat for each', although more clumsy, is _much_ faster than 
> 'repeat
> with'); or wait for Rev 2.0 which has a crop command built in.

take a look at the angle property.  This may help a bit.



Best regards,
Mark Talluto
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From cowhead at mac.com  Wed Feb  5 11:15:00 2003
From: cowhead at mac.com (mark mitchell)
Date: Wed Feb  5 11:15:00 2003
Subject: unicode in beta
In-Reply-To: <200302050703.CAA32571@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <744DEB4E-3924-11D7-BF0F-0030656DAB8E@mac.com>

Tuviah wrote:

> Try
>
> set the unicodetext of fld 2 to the unicodetext of fld 1
>

Hey, that works, congratulations!  Now everything looks like it is 
working pretty well, provided you start with 2 'fresh' unicode font 
fields.  I was opening up old stacks that already had non-unicode 
Japanese written in the fields, and these do not work so well under the 
new engine.  It may end up being a lot of work to use old stacks 
containing Japanese, since it looks like we've got to recode the scrips 
as well, but I haven't really played with them much yet.  I also 
discovered that this works:

put the unicodeText of character 7 to 8 of field 1 into character 7 to 8 
of field 2

but not ".....into the unicode text of character 7 to 8 of field 1" or 
variations thereof.

Any other nifty lines we should be aware of?

Also, if if you accidently type Japanese in the messagebox (as everyone 
does) you can't just delete and retype the english.  Will switching the 
message box to a unicode font fix this?

mm



From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Wed Feb  5 11:26:01 2003
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed Feb  5 11:26:01 2003
Subject: Pre-Beta for 2.0 for Mac OS
In-Reply-To: <20030205071156.5942.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F51C2B68-3925-11D7-BDE1-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com>

They're pretty much independent of one another. You can use either or 
both.

On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 11:11 PM, erik hansen wrote:

>
> --- Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com>
> wrote:
>> Rev Navigator does this in Revolution -- and a
>> lot more:
>> http://www.inspiredlogic.com/navigator
>>
>> On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 03:29 PM, erik
>> hansen wrote:
>>
>>> except that i miss the MC tool that showed
>> all of
>>> the controls grouped by groups.
>
> looks great.
> how does Navigator compliment Application Overview?
>
> =====
> erik at erikhansen.org    http://www.erikhansen.org
>
> __________________________________________________
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regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com



From alrice at ARCplanning.com  Wed Feb  5 12:06:01 2003
From: alrice at ARCplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Wed Feb  5 12:06:01 2003
Subject: [OT] ODBC driver for SQL Server on MacOS X?
In-Reply-To: <BA66B888.53BC%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <756BBF26-392B-11D7-9DFF-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>

On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 05:52  AM, Ben Rubinstein wrote:

> Slightly off-topic, but I only want this so I can use it with the revdb
> functions...
>
> Does anyone know how I can get hold of an ODBC driver to let my rev 
> app on
> MacOS X access MS SQL Server databases on the network?

Here is what I learned about ODBC on OS X. Since it's not documented 
ANYWHERE, that I can find, other than here: 
http://www.openlinksw.com/support/macosx-faq.htm

1.1.1 doesn't support ODBC on OS X. But once Rev 2.0 rolls around, I 
would get commercial ODBC drivers from OpenLink.

There are open-source drivers, but probably not compiled for OS X and 
you could spend weeks banging your head and trying to compile it.

OS X ships with ODBC Administrator.app , which seems entirely useless. 
It has no DSN configuration panels, and can't recognize any drivers, in 
my experience.

If you download the SDK or a driver package from openlinksw it will 
install
/Applications/Utilities/iODBC/iODBC Administrator.app

This app is the real thing, it has a detailed configuration panel for 
each DSN. The ODBC Administrator.app that ships with OS X seems to 
basically useless; one might as well write odbc.ini files by hand. BTW 
iODBC Administrator writes User DSNs to 
~/Library/Preferences/ODBC.preference

If you have Microsoft Query installed, it seems to use it's own version 
of "iODBC Data Source Chooser". Not sure about that though.

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From bvg at mac.com  Wed Feb  5 12:47:01 2003
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Wed Feb  5 12:47:01 2003
Subject: Storing  images
In-Reply-To: <a05010400ba66b7d00540@[66.81.58.146]>
Message-ID: <35C168D4-3931-11D7-8396-003065AD94A4@mac.com>

This thread confuses me, so I made some experiments, to clarify all 
this for me, I will list the results of them here (if this is useful 
for any of you then that is your own fault!):

setting the icon:
set the icon of button "foo" to image "bar"

this will reference  the exact same picture (same size) from the image 
to the button.
You cannot set the icon of an image (they do not have any).

setting imagedate:
set the imagedata image "foo" to the imagedata of image "bar"

you should not do this, when the two images have a diffrent size. That 
will result in garbage. If they are the same size then this will copy 
the image. the image"foo" will contain the image directly, no matter if 
image "bar" was referenced, original or only shows a file from the hard 
disk.
Buttons do not have imagedata, so you cant do that with them.

put into:
put image "foo" into image "bar"

This will empty (grey) the image "bar", when the original image is a 
referenced image (contains something in the "filepath").
If the Image "foo" is an imported image, or a reference to another 
image within the stack, then this will copy the image. Thus, when you 
delete the image "foo" then image "bar" will remain unchanged. If the 
lockLoc of "bar" is true, then the image will scale to the size of 
"bar", otherwise it will resize to the size of the original image.

set filename:
set the filename of image "foo" to the filename of image "bar"
set the filename of image "foo" to "binfile:foo/bar/foobar"
set the filename of image "foo" to "http://foo/bar/foobar"
set the filename of image "foo" to "foo/bar/foobar"

this will copy/generate the reference to a file on the hard disk to 
image "foo". If the file on the hard disk gets removed, then the  image 
will show nothing (grey) when loaded next time (eg "go card"). If image 
"bar" is set to a certain size and the lockLoc property is true, then 
the image will scale to that size, otherwise it will resize to the size 
of the original file on the hard disk.

import:
import paint from file "foo/bar/foobar"

This will generate a new Image-Object, containing the image directly, 
instead of a reference to a file on the hard disk.




I found no way to reference a image-object to another imageobject, 
similar to what you can do with the icon of buttons. This is probably 
also the problem over which Jim Hurley stumbled, as you cannot resize 
the referenced icon of a button, whereas you can resize a Image whit a 
filepath.
Please answer with other ways of referencing/copying images so I can 
make a list and pin it next to my Screen.

thank you
Bjoernke



From webart at kenjikojima.com  Wed Feb  5 13:43:01 2003
From: webart at kenjikojima.com (Kenji Kojima)
Date: Wed Feb  5 13:43:01 2003
Subject: unicode in pre-beta
In-Reply-To: <20030204.191645.3876.1.diskot123@juno.com>
Message-ID: <13EEF6FC-3939-11D7-96B8-000A27941ED2@kenjikojima.com>

Hi,

How can I import 2 bytes text file into a field?
I tried to import a Japanese text file.

   answer file ""
   put "file:"&it into tUrl
   set the unicodeText of field 1 to URL tUrl

But it did not work.  I got a rainbow cursor long while (it's OSX)
and Chinese like garbage characters in the field.
Maybe I needed to convert from ASCII code to unicode
before set the unicodeText.

Thanks,

--
Kenji Kojima
http://www.kenjikojima.com/







From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Wed Feb  5 13:53:00 2003
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Wed Feb  5 13:53:00 2003
Subject: Storing  images
In-Reply-To: <35C168D4-3931-11D7-8396-003065AD94A4@mac.com>
References: <35C168D4-3931-11D7-8396-003065AD94A4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p05200f01ba670b2d9676@[192.168.123.3]>

At 6:42 pm +0100 5/2/03, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:
>This thread confuses me, so I made some experiments, to clarify all
>this for me, I will list the results of them here (if this is useful
>for any of you then that is your own fault!):

:)

<lots of useful information snipped>

>I found no way to reference a image-object to another imageobject,
>similar to what you can do with the icon of buttons. This is
>probably also the problem over which Jim Hurley stumbled, as you
>cannot resize the referenced icon of a button, whereas you can
>resize a Image whit a filepath.
>Please answer with other ways of referencing/copying images so I can
>make a list and pin it next to my Screen.

Just wondering...

When setting the filename to a url (http, binfile, etc), is there any 
difference in load speed or memory use if you load the url first? It 
might help when you need to display a large image in a number of 
places.

Cheers
Dave


From diskot123 at juno.com  Wed Feb  5 13:53:11 2003
From: diskot123 at juno.com (Tuviah M Snyder)
Date: Wed Feb  5 13:53:11 2003
Subject: Rotating Images without enlarging the image space
Message-ID: <20030205.134803.1104.0.diskot123@juno.com>

>Does anyone know how to rotate an image by 90 degrees without creating
>a larger image?  I need to rotate clock or anti-clockwise by a straight
> 90 degrees.  Problem is, all rotations seem to enlarge to the square of
> the largest side.  Save moving the data pixel-by-pixel using a
> Transcript matrix transform (slowish) is there another way?  I don't
> fancy lots of imagedata manipulation... I'm sure there is a simple way.
> Currently I'm rotating, grouping and resizing group (brings corners
> in).  Not good.
No problem, in 2.0 set the locklocation of the image to true (so it
doesn't resize), and then use then set the angle property of the image to
rotate.

Tuviah Snyder <tuviah at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development


From diskot123 at juno.com  Wed Feb  5 13:53:24 2003
From: diskot123 at juno.com (Tuviah M Snyder)
Date: Wed Feb  5 13:53:24 2003
Subject: ODBC driver for SQL Server on MacOS X?
Message-ID: <20030205.134803.1104.1.diskot123@juno.com>

>Does anyone know how I can get hold of an ODBC driver to let my rev app
on
>MacOS X access MS SQL Server databases on the network?
You sure can! ODBC is supported on OSX in 2.0. The ODBC Manager (OpenLink
IODBC) is installed with Jaguar. You can download the drivers free to try
at http://www.openlinksw.com/

1) Go to software availablity and download
2) Click on data access download
3) You know what you need..click Next
4) Choose single tier edition to avoid installing a driver on the server
5) Choose 5.0
6) Select ODBC, and Jaguar as the client operating system
7) Then Choose SQLServer lite and whatever other drivers you want..
8) Login and enter your information and then download.

Tuviah Snyder <tuviah at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development


From mmaitzen at iupui.edu  Wed Feb  5 13:54:01 2003
From: mmaitzen at iupui.edu (Maitzen, Michael R)
Date: Wed Feb  5 13:54:01 2003
Subject: [OT]:  Revolution Polo Shirts/T-Shirts
Message-ID: <8F38A22EC36A0948B854417D7EC91E0363C66B@iu-mssg-mbx01.exchange.iu.edu>

Someone has started doing this with the new SuperCard 4 logo. I got a Polo-type shirt myself but they had T's, bags, sweatshirts, even infant clothing. I did not think SC had the critical mass for that type of thing but obviously someone did. Unfortunatly I can't find an e-mail or link from that transaction and my reciept is at home but if the Revolution folks want to talk to the great people at Solutions Etcetera who sell SuperCard I expect they can find out.

I know I would buy one.

MRM

> From: James.Cass at sealedair.com
> Subject: [OT]:  Revolution Polo Shirts/T-Shirts
> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 09:12:27 -0500
> 
> This may have come up before, but are there any plans to have Revolution 
> apparel?
> I would proudly wear a Revolution Polo-type shirt to work.
> T-Shirts and caps would be schweet as well.
> 
> Just don't stop working on Rev. 2 for this!    :-)
> 
> Revolution rocks!
> 


From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Feb  5 13:54:07 2003
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed Feb  5 13:54:07 2003
Subject: Storing  images
In-Reply-To: <35C168D4-3931-11D7-8396-003065AD94A4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BBEIJJIICJJBOLMBODHCOEAGDOAA.chipp@chipp.com>

Bjoernke,

Nice post. The best way to reference an image-object to another imageobject
is to use the filename property. Then you need store the image only once (on
disk) and can reference it multiple times.

Those of you Mac HC users are used to doing this in the resource fork.
You'll need to create a 'resources' folder. I'm not up on the Mac *that*
much, but I seem to remember reading something about OSX being much less
flexible regarding 'moving applications' around...so perhaps this isn't as
big a deal as it was with previous Mac OS'es...

Windows and Linux users are used to having multiple support files for
applications.

-Chipp

> I found no way to reference a image-object to another imageobject,
> similar to what you can do with the icon of buttons. This is probably
> also the problem over which Jim Hurley stumbled, as you cannot resize
> the referenced icon of a button, whereas you can resize a Image whit a
> filepath.
> Please answer with other ways of referencing/copying images so I can
> make a list and pin it next to my Screen.
>
> thank you
> Bjoernke
>
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From pixelbird at interisland.net  Thu Feb  6 04:19:55 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Thu Feb  6 04:19:55 2003
Subject: More about images
In-Reply-To: <200302050702.CAA32416@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA673761.6B6D%pixelbird@interisland.net>

Hello Rev list,

Here's the scenario (I've posted some of this 8 or 9 months ago, but I think
I'm actually ready to work on it in Rev now):

In my HC stack I have 2 full screen images of a keyboard and a couple of
fields. One is a set of UP keystate images and the other is a set of DOWN
keystate images. The thing looks a bit like one of those early TRS-80
portables with the 20 line b&w LCD screens, remember?

Anyway, the HC version uses Uli Kusterer's xDraw. The UP keyboard is visible
all the time, the DOWN version is registered to it, but exists only in RAM.
All the 'keys' are transparent buttons. Pressing down on a button causes the
corresponding rect of the DOWN image in RAM to be shown, releasing causes it
to disappear. The effect looks quite real because the down keys are properly
shaded and the letters are one size smaller (slightly exaggerated, rather
like a cartoon), and has corresponding sounds to go with it (an option the
user can turn on or off).

Now, I know I can make a set of button/icons to work in place of the images,
but there are 76 of them and that's a lot of work, considering the time
already spent on making the single full screen images. I'd rather write a
simple routine that will do the same as it does in HC with Uli's xDraw: Draw
corresponding button rects of the DOWN state image.

If this is an OK idea then how would I do it in Rev, or must I make two
entire sets of icons by copying each button art by hand (152 of them all
told)?

TIA,
Ken N.



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Thu Feb  6 04:20:00 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Thu Feb  6 04:20:00 2003
Subject: What's happenning to my memory?
In-Reply-To: <200302050702.CAA32416@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA66EF14.6B55%pixelbird@interisland.net>

Hello Rev list,

Well, with much advice and work I finally got my full screen stack to stay
put. Whew! It was quite the procedure.

I finally got it into position by

1) Setting editMenus to true. I didn't know I had to do that.

2) Resetting the dim's of the stack. I'd already tried that dozens of times,
but it always ended up back down where it was.

3) I saved the stack then closed the stack then reopened the stack.

   a. The first time I opened it, it came back in the correct position. I
      thought I was home free, but...
   b. The next time I opened it, it went down where it was before :-(

      How come? Is this a memory problem?

4) Finally, I tried a preOpenStack script which I had done before but it
didn't work: 

on preOpenStack
  set the rect of stack "VirtualKeyboard 1.0.rev" to "0,0,800,600"
end preOpenStack

5) I opened and closed the stack a number of times to be sure the thing
stayed put, which it did, finally.

...However, either opening the Transcript Dictionary or opening/closing the
stack 5 or 6 times caused my computer to dig way into Virtual Memory,
because the HD was busy for several minutes trying to close Rev, and the
screendraws got so slow I could follow the horizontal lines being drawn with
my eyes.

Anyone know just what may have happened?

TIA,
Ken N.



From terry at discovery.nl  Thu Feb  6 04:20:05 2003
From: terry at discovery.nl (Terry Vogelaar)
Date: Thu Feb  6 04:20:05 2003
Subject: Unicode inter-app exchange
In-Reply-To: <20030118044946.9576.qmail@web20003.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F1A6436A-3999-11D7-AFF9-0030656FD666@discovery.nl>

Is there a way to exchange unicode between applications? More specific: 
I want to exchange Unicode text between runrev and Adobe InDesign, 
preferably using AppleScript. Can it be done? How?

Terry



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Thu Feb  6 04:20:10 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Thu Feb  6 04:20:10 2003
Subject: Revolution Polo Shirts/T-Shirts
In-Reply-To: <200302051627.LAA11027@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA66C3E5.6B53%pixelbird@interisland.net>

***********
Hi James,

> From: James.Cass at sealedair.com
> Subject: [OT]:  Revolution Polo Shirts/T-Shirts
> Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 09:12:27 -0500

> This may have come up before, but are there any plans to have Revolution
> apparel?
> I would proudly wear a Revolution Polo-type shirt to work.
> T-Shirts and caps would be schweet as well.
----------
I mentioned this to Heather in a post a year ago. It would go well at many
occasions, including Mac conventions. At the time she said she had a vision
of all of us clicking away at our computers with Rev T-shirts on, but knew
of no plans to have them.

I'm glad you brought up the subject. Maybe now is the time.

Any others interested?

Ken N.



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Feb  6 04:29:01 2003
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu Feb  6 04:29:01 2003
Subject: Storing  images
References: <35C168D4-3931-11D7-8396-003065AD94A4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <017b01c2cd51$036ceb30$6f00a8c0@mckinley.dom>

Thanks, Bj?rnke! This comprehensive information is very helpful...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bj?rnke von Gierke" <bvg at mac.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: Storing images


> This thread confuses me, so I made some experiments, to clarify all
> this for me, I will list the results of them here (if this is useful
> for any of you then that is your own fault!):
>
> setting the icon:
> set the icon of button "foo" to image "bar"
>
> this will reference  the exact same picture (same size) from the image
> to the button.
> You cannot set the icon of an image (they do not have any).
>
> setting imagedate:
> set the imagedata image "foo" to the imagedata of image "bar"
>
> you should not do this, when the two images have a diffrent size. That
> will result in garbage. If they are the same size then this will copy
> the image. the image"foo" will contain the image directly, no matter if
> image "bar" was referenced, original or only shows a file from the hard
> disk.
> Buttons do not have imagedata, so you cant do that with them.
>
> put into:
> put image "foo" into image "bar"
>
> This will empty (grey) the image "bar", when the original image is a
> referenced image (contains something in the "filepath").
> If the Image "foo" is an imported image, or a reference to another
> image within the stack, then this will copy the image. Thus, when you
> delete the image "foo" then image "bar" will remain unchanged. If the
> lockLoc of "bar" is true, then the image will scale to the size of
> "bar", otherwise it will resize to the size of the original image.
>
> set filename:
> set the filename of image "foo" to the filename of image "bar"
> set the filename of image "foo" to "binfile:foo/bar/foobar"
> set the filename of image "foo" to "http://foo/bar/foobar"
> set the filename of image "foo" to "foo/bar/foobar"
>
> this will copy/generate the reference to a file on the hard disk to
> image "foo". If the file on the hard disk gets removed, then the  image
> will show nothing (grey) when loaded next time (eg "go card"). If image
> "bar" is set to a certain size and the lockLoc property is true, then
> the image will scale to that size, otherwise it will resize to the size
> of the original file on the hard disk.
>
> import:
> import paint from file "foo/bar/foobar"
>
> This will generate a new Image-Object, containing the image directly,
> instead of a reference to a file on the hard disk.
>
>
>
>
> I found no way to reference a image-object to another imageobject,
> similar to what you can do with the icon of buttons. This is probably
> also the problem over which Jim Hurley stumbled, as you cannot resize
> the referenced icon of a button, whereas you can resize a Image whit a
> filepath.
> Please answer with other ways of referencing/copying images so I can
> make a list and pin it next to my Screen.
>
> thank you
> Bjoernke
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From Rdac4 at aol.com  Thu Feb  6 04:33:01 2003
From: Rdac4 at aol.com (Rdac4 at aol.com)
Date: Thu Feb  6 04:33:01 2003
Subject: home stack
Message-ID: <1cc.1be5518.2b72e924@aol.com>

Can you tell me what the definition of a home stack is?  Thanks
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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  6 04:38:08 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Thu Feb  6 04:38:08 2003
Subject: More about images
In-Reply-To: <BA673761.6B6D%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <20030206092938.24785.qmail@web11905.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "Ken Norris (dialup)" <pixelbird at interisland.net>
wrote:
> [snip]
> 
> Now, I know I can make a set of button/icons to work
> in place of the images,
> but there are 76 of them and that's a lot of work,
> considering the time
> already spent on making the single full screen
> images. I'd rather write a
> simple routine that will do the same as it does in
> HC with Uli's xDraw: Draw
> corresponding button rects of the DOWN state image.
> 
> If this is an OK idea then how would I do it in Rev,
> or must I make two
> entire sets of icons by copying each button art by
> hand (152 of them all
> told)?
> 
> TIA,
> Ken N.
> 

Hi Ken,

Try this scenario:
- group the "Down" image (yes, just the one image)
- set the rect of the group to the rect you want to
display every time
- set the lockLocation of the group to true
- hide the group
Then when you need to display:
- set the hScroll of group "DOWN" to X
- set the vScroll of group "DOWN" to Y
- show group "DOWN"

That ought to do the trick.

Jan Schenkel.

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From steve at messimercomputing.com  Thu Feb  6 04:41:02 2003
From: steve at messimercomputing.com (Stephen Messimer)
Date: Thu Feb  6 04:41:02 2003
Subject: Animations in groups
Message-ID: <615BEE10-3951-11D7-9332-000A27D75508@messimercomputing.com>

Hi,

I would really like to use the animation manager to make animations in 
groups.  This would allow me to hide the group after the animation is 
shown.  Thus far I have been unable to do this.  The documentation 
suggests that animations are creatures of cards

In the mean time I have used the move command.  It works fine but is 
limited to straight paths .

Has anybody ever been able to do this?

thanks,

Steve

Stephen R. Messimer, PA
208 1st Ave. South	
Escanaba, MI 49829
www.messimercomputing.com



From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  6 04:47:01 2003
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (erik hansen)
Date: Thu Feb  6 04:47:01 2003
Subject: inherit from owner
In-Reply-To: <34D2C9F4-29BD-11D7-85E1-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <20030206023616.40041.qmail@web20009.mail.yahoo.com>

the properties (colors) palette has an
"inherit from owner" button,
but i can't find a way 
to script this in the docs. any ideas?

TIA

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From rbarber at yhb.att.ne.jp  Thu Feb  6 04:48:03 2003
From: rbarber at yhb.att.ne.jp (Ron)
Date: Thu Feb  6 04:48:03 2003
Subject: unicode in pre-beta
In-Reply-To: <13EEF6FC-3939-11D7-96B8-000A27941ED2@kenjikojima.com>
Message-ID: <BA67D189.BF59%rbarber@yhb.att.ne.jp>

Hi Kenji
> 
> How can I import 2 bytes text file into a field?
> I tried to import a Japanese text file.
> 
> answer file ""
> put "file:"&it into tUrl
> set the unicodeText of field 1 to URL tUrl
> 
> But it did not work.  I got a rainbow cursor long while (it's OSX)
> and Chinese like garbage characters in the field.
> Maybe I needed to convert from ASCII code to unicode
> before set the unicodeText.

I'll let Tuviah give the authoritative answer to this but this issue has
caused me a great deal of frustration. I am gradually coming to get
consistent behavior.

Yes, you need to convert from ascii code to unicode 16 before you import a
stack. At this point, RR will not import JSIS. I have used both cyclone and
uctrans:
http://www2u.biglobe.ne.jp/~kitabo/

uctrans seems to do a better job.

Recently, Tuviah told me offlist that she had just modified the uniencode
function to support converting from shift-JIS, and other common encoding to
unicode and vice versa. So maybe we will be able to do this in the future.

HTH
Ron

PS perhaps you can forward important problems/questions from the Japan list.
I can't seem to keep up.



From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  6 04:54:00 2003
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (erik hansen)
Date: Thu Feb  6 04:54:00 2003
Subject: standalone as desktop
In-Reply-To: <FLEGJBMJADGKMCHIMFOHGECLCNAA.monte@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <20030206005018.79603.qmail@web20001.mail.yahoo.com>

thanks again for all the help.

my HP app has a menu "btns" and a menu "flds"
that allow the user to hide/show controls on the
"desktop" (card) while they work. each control or
proto-group of controls had a checkmark for each 
menuItem. the settings were stored when the page
was closed.

in RR all of this is taken care of in Application
 Overview. better.

the query: in a standalone, is there any way for
the user to utilize groups, Application Overview,
etc. to hide/show controls as needed?

if yes, great!
if no, the work was not in vain!

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From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Thu Feb  6 04:59:01 2003
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Thu Feb  6 04:59:01 2003
Subject: dynamic controls
In-Reply-To: <06845BC2-351E-11D7-8C9F-003065D52E8E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5F2F45CE-39A1-11D7-B3D2-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com>

> But runtimes/standalones will have the 10 statement limit
> just like the starter kit.
>
> This ONLY appeals to new created objects (during runtime).
>

That last bit isn't quite clear (it fooled me until I thought about 
it). The ten line limit applies in the Starter Kit and in standalones. 
The ten line limit applies whenever you are trying to set the script of 
any object, newly created or not. Objects that have existing scripts 
longer than ten lines will continue to work. It is only when trying to 
set the script of an object (any object) that the limit applies.

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com



From bornstein at designeq.com  Thu Feb  6 05:08:00 2003
From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Thu Feb  6 05:08:00 2003
Subject: Rotating Images without enlarging the image space
Message-ID: <200302060513.h165DexF013804@ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com>

>No problem, in 2.0 set the locklocation of the image to true (so it
>doesn't resize), and then use then set the angle property of the image to
>rotate.

Are you saying that in 2.0, the angle property will also apply to images? 
In the 1.1.1 docs it says "set the angle of a _graphic_ to angledegrees"

"Use the angle property to create an arc shape or to rotate a regular 
polygon."

Nothing about images (or has this always been there undocumented)?

Howard Bornstein
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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Feb  6 05:10:01 2003
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu Feb  6 05:10:01 2003
Subject: Storing  images
In-Reply-To: <a05010400ba66b7d00540@[66.81.58.146]>
Message-ID: <BA66A27F.6061%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, "Jim Hurley"  wrote:

>>> A more elegant or less cumbersome solution (and idiot proof for the
>>> end user) would be to embed the single images in some "secret" place
>>>  from which they might  be referenced and a different size  and
>>>  location for the image could be locked  on each card.
>> 
>> Again, a group is one solution.  Or, place all your master images into a
>> substack "library" and create images and/or buttons that reference the
>> substack.
> 
> Thank you for this suggestion. A group wouldn't work for me--the
> image is to be placed only on selective cards.

Just in case you didn't catch this, groups *can* be placed on selective
cards.  You can either manually place groups on the cards you want, or
create a series of cards with the group applied and then remove the group
from cards as needed.


> But importing from a
> substack might. How does one import the image from the subgroup to
> the main stack?

You don't need to import the image (it's already in your stack!), you simply
reference the id of the image:

  set the icon of btn display to id of img source of stack library

Or set the imageData of your target image (which effectively duplicates the
source image, as opposed to referencing it, as above):

  set the imageData of img display to \
    the imageData of img source of stack library


> And may the image then be sized on each card in the
> main stack when imported without appending a preOpenCard script?

How would you expect to resize an image without using a script?

In any event, as Bj?rnke noted, setting the imageData of one image to
another apparently requires that the width/height of both image objects be
equal.  Then imageData can be set without issue, and the target image can be
resized as needed.

  set rect of img display to rect of img source of stack library
  set imageData of img display to imageData of img source of stack library

Bottom line is, if you need the ability to resize images, you'll need to
work with image objects, not referenced buttons.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
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W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From klausimausi at mac.com  Thu Feb  6 05:16:08 2003
From: klausimausi at mac.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu Feb  6 05:16:08 2003
Subject: More about images
In-Reply-To: <20030206092938.24785.qmail@web11905.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <56F8536E-39BB-11D7-9D8D-003065D52E8E@mac.com>

Hi Ken,

> --- "Ken Norris (dialup)" <pixelbird at interisland.net>
> wrote:
>> [snip]
>>
>> Now, I know I can make a set of button/icons to work in place of the 
>> images,
>> but there are 76 of them and that's a lot of work, considering the 
>> time
>> already spent on making the single full screen images. I'd rather 
>> write a
>> simple routine that will do the same as it does in HC with Uli's 
>> xDraw: Draw
>> corresponding button rects of the DOWN state image.
>>
>> If this is an OK idea then how would I do it in Rev, or must I make 
>> two
>> entire sets of icons by copying each button art by hand (152 of them 
>> all told)?
>>
>> TIA,
>> Ken N.

this is another approach to your problem.
The kudos goes to Mr. anonymous :-)
(Someone posted the stack "X-ray" to the MC-site looooong ago...)

I requires that you group the (single) DOWN-image.
Lets call that group "down".

Then you can set the groups rect (and the loc of that DOWN-image)
to the correct place...

And you might need a "keyhole" graphic, which is as big as needed
(The DOWN-image will be shown at this rect...)

on mouseDown
   lock screen
   set the rect of group "down" to the rect of grc "keyhole"
   set the loc of image "DOWN"  to the loc of img "UP"
   ### you get the picture...

   set the loc of grc "keyhole" to the mouseLoc
   ### here you might want to add your location

   unlock screen
  end mouseDown

on mouseUp
   set the loc of group "keyhole" to -5000,-5000
   ### get rid of it, until we need it again...
end mouseUp

Hope that helps...


Regards

Klaus Major
klausimausi at mac.com



From klausimausi at mac.com  Thu Feb  6 05:18:01 2003
From: klausimausi at mac.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu Feb  6 05:18:01 2003
Subject: dynamic controls
In-Reply-To: <5F2F45CE-39A1-11D7-B3D2-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <8E3FF298-39BB-11D7-9D8D-003065D52E8E@mac.com>

Hi Geoff,

>> But runtimes/standalones will have the 10 statement limit
>> just like the starter kit.
>>
>> This ONLY appeals to new created objects (during runtime).
>>
>
> That last bit isn't quite clear (it fooled me until I thought about 
> it). The ten line limit applies in the Starter Kit and in standalones. 
> The ten line limit applies whenever you are trying to set the script 
> of any object, newly created or not. Objects that have existing 
> scripts longer than ten lines will continue to work. It is only when 
> trying to set the script of an object (any object) that the limit 
> applies.

EXACTLY :-)

> regards,
>
> Geoff Canyon


Regards


Klaus Major
klausimausi at mac.com



From klausimausi at mac.com  Thu Feb  6 05:25:00 2003
From: klausimausi at mac.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu Feb  6 05:25:00 2003
Subject: Rotating Images without enlarging the image space
In-Reply-To: <200302060513.h165DexF013804@ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <7D3EDD58-39BC-11D7-9D8D-003065D52E8E@mac.com>

Hi Howard,

>> No problem, in 2.0 set the locklocation of the image to true (so it
>> doesn't resize), and then use then set the angle property of the 
>> image to
>> rotate.
>
> Are you saying that in 2.0, the angle property will also apply to 
> images?

Yes.

> In the 1.1.1 docs it says "set the angle of a _graphic_ to 
> angledegrees"
> "Use the angle property to create an arc shape or to rotate a regular
> polygon."
>
> Nothing about images (or has this always been there undocumented)?

It was supposed to be a surprise :-)

No, it is just a new feature...

> Howard Bornstein


Regards


Klaus Major
klausimausi at mac.com



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  6 05:30:00 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Thu Feb  6 05:30:00 2003
Subject: dynamic controls
In-Reply-To: <5F2F45CE-39A1-11D7-B3D2-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <20030206102542.75797.qmail@web11903.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com> wrote:
> > But runtimes/standalones will have the 10
> statement limit
> > just like the starter kit.
> >
> > This ONLY appeals to new created objects (during
> runtime).
> >
> 
> That last bit isn't quite clear (it fooled me until
> I thought about 
> it). The ten line limit applies in the Starter Kit
> and in standalones. 
> The ten line limit applies whenever you are trying
> to set the script of 
> any object, newly created or not. Objects that have
> existing scripts 
> longer than ten lines will continue to work. It is
> only when trying to 
> set the script of an object (any object) that the
> limit applies.
> 

Of course if you can know in advance which script they
need, you can always 'clone' a library control, and
then it gets that script without violating the 10-line
limit.
So with a little bit of c reative scripting you ca

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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  6 05:34:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Thu Feb  6 05:34:01 2003
Subject: dynamic controls
In-Reply-To: <5F2F45CE-39A1-11D7-B3D2-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <20030206102955.31848.qmail@web11905.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com> wrote:
> > But runtimes/standalones will have the 10
> statement limit
> > just like the starter kit.
> >
> > This ONLY appeals to new created objects (during
> runtime).
> >
> 
> That last bit isn't quite clear (it fooled me until
> I thought about 
> it). The ten line limit applies in the Starter Kit
> and in standalones. 
> The ten line limit applies whenever you are trying
> to set the script of 
> any object, newly created or not. Objects that have
> existing scripts 
> longer than ten lines will continue to work. It is
> only when trying to 
> set the script of an object (any object) that the
> limit applies.
> 

Of course if you can know in advance which script they
need, you can always 'clone' a library control, and
then it gets that script without violating the 10-line
limit.
So with a little bit of creative scripting you can :
- prepare a 'library control' in the RunRev IDE
- 'clone' this library control at standalone runtime
- set a few custom properties to modify its behaviour
Admittedly, not as elegant as being able to change
scripts dynamically, but it just might do the trick
for you -- all depends on the purpose.

Jan Schenkel.

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From dleyanna at rtl.org  Thu Feb  6 05:35:00 2003
From: dleyanna at rtl.org (Dave LeYanna)
Date: Thu Feb  6 05:35:00 2003
Subject: Revolution Polo Shirts/T-Shirts
References: <BA66C3E5.6B53%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <3E423996.3090403@rtl.org>

Interested in a quality T` How about a design contest?

djl

Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:
 > ***********
 > Hi James,
 >
 >
 >>From: James.Cass at sealedair.com
 >>Subject: [OT]:  Revolution Polo Shirts/T-Shirts
 >>Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 09:12:27 -0500
 >
 >
 >>This may have come up before, but are there any plans to have Revolution
 >>apparel?
 >>I would proudly wear a Revolution Polo-type shirt to work.
 >>T-Shirts and caps would be schweet as well.
 >
 > ----------
 > I mentioned this to Heather in a post a year ago. It would go well at 
many
 > occasions, including Mac conventions. At the time she said she had a 
vision
 > of all of us clicking away at our computers with Rev T-shirts on, but 
knew
 > of no plans to have them.
 >
 > I'm glad you brought up the subject. Maybe now is the time.
 >
 > Any others interested?
 >
 > Ken N.
 >
 > _______________________________________________
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 > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
 > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
 >





From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  6 05:37:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Thu Feb  6 05:37:01 2003
Subject: inherit from owner
In-Reply-To: <20030206023616.40041.qmail@web20009.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030206103222.66172.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com>

--- erik hansen <erikhans08 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> the properties (colors) palette has an
> "inherit from owner" button,
> but i can't find a way 
> to script this in the docs. any ideas?
> 

Hi Erik,

Try something like this:
  set the foregroundColor of field "FooBar" to empty

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

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From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Feb  6 05:39:02 2003
From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel)
Date: Thu Feb  6 05:39:02 2003
Subject: Still need help with grab problems
Message-ID: <p05100301ba67e5cbabdc@[62.30.170.67]>

Hi folks

I have a problem which I've described before, but I believe I have 
tried all suggestions made by listers (like fiddling with the 
alwaysBuffer property, etc.) and I'm still foxed, so I'm just going 
to state the issue again in case anyone can help.

I have a stack which displays a card on which there are a number of 
static graphic objects, and at the top layer there are also some 
image objects. The user can move these around the screen with the 
mouse. The script in each image for the moving is just

   on mouseDown
    grab me
   end mouseDown

When these images arrive at certain places on the screen, other 
scripts come into play, but during the movement, it's just grabbing.

Now, this works fine on my Macs, with a reasonably smooth traversal 
and the image keeping up with the physical mouse movement, but on the 
PC versions the image gets stuck when crossing a certain area of the 
screen, and can take tens of seconds to catch up with the mouse. I 
have tried to work out what is unique about this screen area, and it 
seems that 'below' the image at this point is a coloured (filled) 
rectangle, and below that a player object with a (stopped) QT movie 
in it. The strange thing is that I have tried to reduce this problem 
to its essentials by just recreating a single image traversing a 
rectangle with a player object under it, and there doesn't seem to be 
a problem. There must be some other factor coming into play (perhaps 
the total number of objects in the window?) but I can't think of a 
way of attacking it, since AFAIKS it's not a scripting issue.

Any ideas would be gratefully received.

As a perhaps relevant aside, what do people think is now the minimum 
sensible hardware and software combination on a PC to run the Revo 
1.1. engine? I know my PCs are way out of date, but as a Mac person I 
don't know what to suggest to my users as a minimum setup.

Graham
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------
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From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  6 06:03:01 2003
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (erik hansen)
Date: Thu Feb  6 06:03:01 2003
Subject: Rotating Images without enlarging the image space
In-Reply-To: <BA66B7AC.53BB%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <20030205235154.2431.qmail@web20002.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Ben Rubinstein <benr_mc at cogapp.com> wrote:
> > Does anyone know how to rotate an image by 90
> > degrees without creating a larger image?

> Unfortunately there isn't, AFAIK, an option to
> rotate without enlarge; the
> only solution I have found is to rotate then
> crop.  Using the built-in
> rotate, and then 'manually' (ie in a transcript
> function) cropping, is still
> much quicker than writing your own rorate code
> (at least, with my attempt!).
> Depending on your needs, you can write your own
> crop routine now (remember -
> using 'repeat for each', although more clumsy,
> is _much_ faster than 'repeat
> with'); or wait for Rev 2.0 which has a crop
> command built in.

when i rotated my folk dancer images in 45 degree
increments, the result involved some tweening and
distortion that is probably a good solution in
general, but did not work for me.

so i just created new 32 by 32 icons on a 45
degree bias. a challenge but do-able.

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From alrice at ARCplanning.com  Thu Feb  6 06:05:01 2003
From: alrice at ARCplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Thu Feb  6 06:05:01 2003
Subject: ODBC driver for SQL Server on MacOS X?
In-Reply-To: <20030205.134803.1104.1.diskot123@juno.com>
Message-ID: <B095175B-3947-11D7-80BF-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>

On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 11:48  AM, Tuviah M Snyder wrote:

>> Does anyone know how I can get hold of an ODBC driver to let my rev 
>> app
> on
>> MacOS X access MS SQL Server databases on the network?
> You sure can! ODBC is supported on OSX in 2.0. The ODBC Manager 
> (OpenLink
> IODBC) is installed with Jaguar. You can download the drivers free to 
> try
> at http://www.openlinksw.com/
>
Were you able to use the ODBC Administrator.app that ships with OS X? 
It didn't work for me. The Openlink drivers install a more functional 
ODBC Administrator app.

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From diskot123 at juno.com  Thu Feb  6 06:13:01 2003
From: diskot123 at juno.com (Tuviah M Snyder)
Date: Thu Feb  6 06:13:01 2003
Subject: use-revolution digest, Vol 1 #1105 - 15 msgs
Message-ID: <20030205.140831.1104.3.diskot123@juno.com>

>It may end up being a lot of work to use old stacks 
>containing Japanese, since it looks like we've got to recode the scrips 
>as well, but I haven't really played with them much yet.
Well if we gave you guys what you wanted, which is to deal with
shift-JIS, multibyte, it wouldn't be cross platform, and you would be
unsure if a character was indeed one or two bytes. We're also in the
process of modifying the uniencode and unidecode property so you will be
able to easily convert form shift-JIS, utf8 to unicode and vice versa.

When typing plain text (ASCII character 0 to 255) the engine actually
saves that as one byte per character. If you want
to know for sure, it's always good to check the textfont of a selection.
Even when setting the unicodetext, the engine optimizes. It also always
saves
*carriage* returns, tabs,  as one byte per character. This is to save
memory, hard disk space, and speed up processing. Rather than bloat
everything, and go with everything is a unicode character like Java, we
decided to find a way for unicode to fit in comfortably with the ASCII
text.

If you plan to manipulate unicode text in your variables, and want to
ensure that it is two bytes per character you should always get the
unicodetext of
a field or selection first..this will convert all character in a field
(even if they are not using a unicode font) to 2 byte per character. Then
when
your done manipulating the text, set the unicodetext of that field or
selection.

For those who may be wishing to write some unicode processing algorithms,
they can check out the useunicode property, and numtochar and chartonum
routines. I would be interested in hearing what if any special challenges
people have run into when modifying their programs to deal with unicode.

Tuviah Snyder <tuviah at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
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From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  6 06:15:01 2003
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (erik hansen)
Date: Thu Feb  6 06:15:01 2003
Subject: Storing images 
In-Reply-To: <1B191B58-38FC-11D7-815C-003065430226@internettrainer.com>
Message-ID: <20030205235659.24520.qmail@web20006.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "Wolfgang M. Bereuter"
<wmb at internettrainer.com> wrote:

> > any benefit of importing the image files?
> 
> for example what I use it for: a stack
> structure where stacks can 
> easily be changed (updated) even from
> unexperienced users without 
> thinking in the file path...
> or change the whole app from one medium f.o.
> Cd, net to any other 
> medium HD USB Drive stick Firewire etc...
> also without thinking in the file path...
> my non scripter 2 cent...

so when using various configurations of stacks
and platforms, it may be easier to keep the
iamages externally stored. makes sense, thanks.

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From miscdas at boxfrog.com  Thu Feb  6 06:18:00 2003
From: miscdas at boxfrog.com (miscdas at boxfrog.com)
Date: Thu Feb  6 06:18:00 2003
Subject: Rotating Images without enlarging the image space
In-Reply-To: <200302060513.h165DexF013804@ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com> 
References: <200302060513.h165DexF013804@ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20030206111430.71249.qmail@www.boxfrog.com>

Howard Bornstein writes: 

> Are you saying that in 2.0, the angle property will also apply to images? 
> In the 1.1.1 docs it says "set the angle of a _graphic_ to angledegrees" 
> 
> "Use the angle property to create an arc shape or to rotate a regular 
> polygon." 
> 
> Nothing about images (or has this always been there undocumented)? 
> 
> Howard Bornstein
==========
As I recall, the MC Help entry for Angle mentions objects in general. An 
image is an object, therefore... 

In any case, it does indeed work for setting the display angle of images 
with MC 2.4.3 on WinXP pro. Note it is for integer values for degrees only. 
If you want an animation, it will be very slow rotation for large images. I 
noted for looping in 1 degree steps that it took about 1 second per step for 
my specific  test image. 

miscdas 



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Thu Feb  6 06:20:01 2003
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Thu Feb  6 06:20:01 2003
Subject: Revolution Polo Shirts/T-Shirts
In-Reply-To: <3E423996.3090403@rtl.org>
Message-ID: <BA67F3A7.543B%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

Not that this is what I want the Rev team to be concentrating on... but
there is a low-impact way to get into this game, using CafePress
<www.cafepress.com>.  You create the artwork, and then do the whole thing
from your browser - upload the artwork file, choose the products (t-shirts,
mugs, mousemats etc) and set the prices, and end up with an online store
selling items with your artwork.  They run the whole thing, fulfill the
orders etc and send you the profits.

I've never used their service, either as a seller or buyer (so I don't know
what the print quality is, etc); but they seem to have grown a lot, so they
may be doing a good job.  At any rate, if RunRev were to do anything in this
area, this way probably involves the least effort and upfront cost.
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866




From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Thu Feb  6 06:40:01 2003
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Thu Feb  6 06:40:01 2003
Subject: ODBC driver for SQL Server on MacOS X?
In-Reply-To: <B095175B-3947-11D7-80BF-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>
Message-ID: <BA67F810.5440%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

Thanks Tuvia and Alex - very helpful.  I'd found the OpenLink site, but got
completely lost in it!

 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866




From rbarber at yhb.att.ne.jp  Thu Feb  6 07:07:01 2003
From: rbarber at yhb.att.ne.jp (Ron)
Date: Thu Feb  6 07:07:01 2003
Subject: shift-JIS and Unicode
In-Reply-To: <20030205.140831.1104.3.diskot123@juno.com>
Message-ID: <BA687E04.BF9D%rbarber@yhb.att.ne.jp>

Hi Tuviah
> 
>> It may end up being a lot of work to use old stacks
>> containing Japanese, since it looks like we've got to recode the scrips
>> as well, but I haven't really played with them much yet.
> Well if we gave you guys what you wanted, which is to deal with
> shift-JIS, multibyte, it wouldn't be cross platform, and you would be
> unsure if a character was indeed one or two bytes. We're also in the
> process of modifying the uniencode and unidecode property so you will be
> able to easily convert form shift-JIS, utf8 to unicode and vice versa.

I think that you are going in the right direction here. It will be very
helpful to have this ability within RR itself. I agree that we should not
expect you to _use_ SJIS/JIS but it will be great if we can do something
like:
answer file ""
put "binfile:"&it into tUrl
put URL tUrl into thetext
put unidecode(thetext,SJIS) into convertedtext
set the unicodeText of field 1 to convertedtext
 
> When typing plain text (ASCII character 0 to 255) the engine actually
> saves that as one byte per character. If you want
> to know for sure, it's always good to check the textfont of a selection.
> Even when setting the unicodetext, the engine optimizes. It also always
> saves
> *carriage* returns, tabs,  as one byte per character. This is to save
> memory, hard disk space, and speed up processing. Rather than bloat
> everything, and go with everything is a unicode character like Java, we
> decided to find a way for unicode to fit in comfortably with the ASCII

a wise decision that helps us in the long run.

> 
> For those who may be wishing to write some unicode processing algorithms,
> they can check out the useunicode property, and numtochar and chartonum
> routines. I would be interested in hearing what if any special challenges
> people have run into when modifying their programs to deal with unicode.

I'll let you know as soon as I give it a thorough workout. Thanks again
Ron



From jbradshaw at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Feb  6 07:17:00 2003
From: jbradshaw at blueyonder.co.uk (Jez)
Date: Thu Feb  6 07:17:00 2003
Subject: Program Executable Location
Message-ID: <000501c2cd59$07f70d90$d3841f3e@Jez2>

Can I access the location of the executable being run ? For example, if I
create the standalone "C:\Program Files\MyApp\Myexe.exe" I want to
programmatically get the directory "C:\Program Files\MyApp" so that I can
store some files underneath this. Also when running in browse mode I would
like the same code to give me the location of the revolution executable.

I am aware that I can examine defaultFolder on startup (which does indeed
give you the executable location) and store this in a global variable, but
this does not work well when testing the app in browse mode, since if it
executes the same code again by that time the defaultFolder will probably
point to somewhere else. A more secure way of getting the executable
location would be preferable.



From klausimausi at mac.com  Thu Feb  6 07:27:01 2003
From: klausimausi at mac.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu Feb  6 07:27:01 2003
Subject: Program Executable Location
In-Reply-To: <000501c2cd59$07f70d90$d3841f3e@Jez2>
Message-ID: <86113FC0-39CD-11D7-9D8D-003065D52E8E@mac.com>

Hi Jez,

> Can I access the location of the executable being run ? For example, 
> if I
> create the standalone "C:\Program Files\MyApp\Myexe.exe" I want to
> programmatically get the directory "C:\Program Files\MyApp" so that I 
> can
> store some files underneath this. Also when running in browse mode I 
> would
> like the same code to give me the location of the revolution 
> executable.
>
> I am aware that I can examine defaultFolder on startup (which does 
> indeed
> give you the executable location) and store this in a global variable, 
> but
> this does not work well when testing the app in browse mode, since if 
> it
> executes the same code again by that time the defaultFolder will 
> probably
> point to somewhere else. A more secure way of getting the executable
> location would be preferable.

you can use a li'l function like this:

function where_am_i
    get the effective filename of this stack
    ### will deliver the complete path...

    set the itemdel to "/"
    delete item -1 of it
    ### strip the name of the standalone/stack

    return it & "/"
    ## ready for use :-)
    ## since in earlier days i used to forget the last "/"
    ## i got used to append it immediately ;-)
end where_am_i

Is fast, elegant and free ;-)

And will of course not touch the working directory/default folder.

Hope that helps.


Regards

Klaus Major
klausimausi at mac.com



From diskot123 at juno.com  Thu Feb  6 07:38:01 2003
From: diskot123 at juno.com (Tuviah M Snyder)
Date: Thu Feb  6 07:38:01 2003
Subject: unicode in pre-beta
Message-ID: <20030206.073258.1256.0.diskot123@juno.com>

 >I'll let Tuviah give the authoritative answer to this but this issue
has
>caused me a great deal of frustration. I am gradually coming to get
>consistent behavior.
I think you just need to use url "binfile:" rather than "file:"

ie.  put "binfile:"&it into tUrl
 
>Recently, Tuviah told me offlist that she had just modified the
uniencode
>function to support converting from shift-JIS, and other common encoding
to
>unicode and vice versa. So maybe we will be able to do this in the
future.
Yep, you definitely will. Oh, and last time I checked, I'm a he:-)

Tuviah Snyder <tuviah at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development


From danjohnson at 37.com  Thu Feb  6 09:15:01 2003
From: danjohnson at 37.com (dan johnson)
Date: Thu Feb  6 09:15:01 2003
Subject: Random generator exercise
Message-ID: <200302061410.h16EAxS06789@mail25.bigmailbox.com>

miscdas writes:

Here is yet another approach to the exercise. 

A SINGLE random number is generated, from which a numeric or an alpha 
character is generated. 

There is a .5 probability of generating a numeric, and .5 probablity of generating an alpha. 

Within the alpha, there is a .5 probablity of being lower case, and .5 probablity of being upper case. 

on mouseUp
put empty into field ?displayField?
ask ("How many characters to generate ? (1-9)")
put it into charCount
  repeat charCount times
   put random(520) into myRandom
   if myRandom < 261 then  ##numeric
     put (myRandom - 1) div 26  after field ?displayField?
   else
     if myRandom < 391 then
       put 45 into offsetASCII  ##lowercase
     else
       put -13 into offsetASCII  ##uppercase
     end if
    put (myRandom ? 1) div 5 + offsetASCII into finalValue
    put numToChar(finalValue) after field ?displayField?
   end if
 end repeat
end mouseUp 

miscdas
########

MISCDAS,

That is an unusual non-intuitive solution to the problem. Was this a spin-off of the solution you gave using the text string? Did you happen to run any timing to see how slow the IF-THEN_ELSE conditionals are compared to the "intuitive" solution?

I've been reviewing the archives, and noticed you presented some other non-intuitive solutions to other problems. I hope you will be able to continue to present these kinds of thought-provoking methods.

Regards,

Dan J.

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From webart at kenjikojima.com  Thu Feb  6 09:18:01 2003
From: webart at kenjikojima.com (Kenji Kojima)
Date: Thu Feb  6 09:18:01 2003
Subject: unicode in pre-beta
In-Reply-To: <20030206.073258.1256.0.diskot123@juno.com>
Message-ID: <3AC1073E-39DD-11D7-9076-000A27941ED2@kenjikojima.com>

Tuviah,

Yes, I agree with Ron.

Cannot convert to unicode by Runrev itself is not practical way.
Most of Japanese people do not have a text conversion program.
I have to ask downloading it to users.
People do not like it and prefer easier program.

Beside we cannot use Web text directory into a program.
It is very important.

> Yep, you definitely will. Oh, and last time I checked, I'm a he:-)

I believe this is not only Ron and me,
but every Japanese developer.

I hope Runrev 2 supports the function,

--
Kenji Kojima
http://www.kenjikojima.com/




From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Feb  6 10:50:01 2003
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu Feb  6 10:50:01 2003
Subject: Animations in groups
References: <615BEE10-3951-11D7-9332-000A27D75508@messimercomputing.com>
Message-ID: <024601c2cdf7$37e2c5a0$6f00a8c0@mckinley.dom>

Stephen, the move command is not limited to straight paths; make a curvy
path with the Freehand tool, and do a:

  move <objectDescriptor> to (the points of <curvyPathGraphicDescriptor>)

Hope this helps,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Messimer" <steve at messimercomputing.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:32 PM
Subject: Animations in groups


> Hi,
>
> I would really like to use the animation manager to make animations in
> groups.  This would allow me to hide the group after the animation is
> shown.  Thus far I have been unable to do this.  The documentation
> suggests that animations are creatures of cards
>
> In the mean time I have used the move command.  It works fine but is
> limited to straight paths .
>
> Has anybody ever been able to do this?
>
> thanks,
>
> Steve
>
> Stephen R. Messimer, PA
> 208 1st Ave. South
> Escanaba, MI 49829
> www.messimercomputing.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Feb  6 10:55:01 2003
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu Feb  6 10:55:01 2003
Subject: Program Executable Location
References: <86113FC0-39CD-11D7-9D8D-003065D52E8E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <026201c2cdf7$c0f4cc80$6f00a8c0@mckinley.dom>

Actually, it's even easier guys... in a standalone, "the directory" points
to the folder where the standalone is automatically. When you're developing
in Rev, though, "the directory" points to the location of the Revolution
application. Basically "the directory" points to the location where the
currently running interpreter resides, unless it is changed later by setting
the directory to somewhere else.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Klaus Major" <klausimausi at mac.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 6:21 AM
Subject: Re: Program Executable Location


> Hi Jez,
>
> > Can I access the location of the executable being run ? For example,
> > if I
> > create the standalone "C:\Program Files\MyApp\Myexe.exe" I want to
> > programmatically get the directory "C:\Program Files\MyApp" so that I
> > can
> > store some files underneath this. Also when running in browse mode I
> > would
> > like the same code to give me the location of the revolution
> > executable.
> >
> > I am aware that I can examine defaultFolder on startup (which does
> > indeed
> > give you the executable location) and store this in a global variable,
> > but
> > this does not work well when testing the app in browse mode, since if
> > it
> > executes the same code again by that time the defaultFolder will
> > probably
> > point to somewhere else. A more secure way of getting the executable
> > location would be preferable.
>
> you can use a li'l function like this:
>
> function where_am_i
>     get the effective filename of this stack
>     ### will deliver the complete path...
>
>     set the itemdel to "/"
>     delete item -1 of it
>     ### strip the name of the standalone/stack
>
>     return it & "/"
>     ## ready for use :-)
>     ## since in earlier days i used to forget the last "/"
>     ## i got used to append it immediately ;-)
> end where_am_i
>
> Is fast, elegant and free ;-)
>
> And will of course not touch the working directory/default folder.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Klaus Major
> klausimausi at mac.com
>
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Feb  6 10:57:01 2003
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu Feb  6 10:57:01 2003
Subject: Storing  images
References: <BA66A27F.6061%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <026a01c2cdf8$1c2addb0$6f00a8c0@mckinley.dom>

Only one comment I'd make, and that is that:

  set the imageData of image 1 to the imageData of image 2

requires both images to have the same width and height, whereas:

  put image 1 into image 2

causes image 2 to resize to fit the size of image 1 automatically.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Rossi" <scott at tactilemedia.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: Storing images


> Recently, "Jim Hurley"  wrote:
>
> >>> A more elegant or less cumbersome solution (and idiot proof for the
> >>> end user) would be to embed the single images in some "secret" place
> >>>  from which they might  be referenced and a different size  and
> >>>  location for the image could be locked  on each card.
> >>
> >> Again, a group is one solution.  Or, place all your master images into
a
> >> substack "library" and create images and/or buttons that reference the
> >> substack.
> >
> > Thank you for this suggestion. A group wouldn't work for me--the
> > image is to be placed only on selective cards.
>
> Just in case you didn't catch this, groups *can* be placed on selective
> cards.  You can either manually place groups on the cards you want, or
> create a series of cards with the group applied and then remove the group
> from cards as needed.
>
>
> > But importing from a
> > substack might. How does one import the image from the subgroup to
> > the main stack?
>
> You don't need to import the image (it's already in your stack!), you
simply
> reference the id of the image:
>
>   set the icon of btn display to id of img source of stack library
>
> Or set the imageData of your target image (which effectively duplicates
the
> source image, as opposed to referencing it, as above):
>
>   set the imageData of img display to \
>     the imageData of img source of stack library
>
>
> > And may the image then be sized on each card in the
> > main stack when imported without appending a preOpenCard script?
>
> How would you expect to resize an image without using a script?
>
> In any event, as Bj?rnke noted, setting the imageData of one image to
> another apparently requires that the width/height of both image objects be
> equal.  Then imageData can be set without issue, and the target image can
be
> resized as needed.
>
>   set rect of img display to rect of img source of stack library
>   set imageData of img display to imageData of img source of stack library
>
> Bottom line is, if you need the ability to resize images, you'll need to
> work with image objects, not referenced buttons.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
> -----
> E: scott at tactilemedia.com
> W: http://www.tactilemedia.com
>
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Feb  6 11:00:01 2003
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu Feb  6 11:00:01 2003
Subject: Still need help with grab problems
References: <p05100301ba67e5cbabdc@[62.30.170.67]>
Message-ID: <027b01c2cdf8$a644b7a0$6f00a8c0@mckinley.dom>

Graham,

Dragging things across movies (whether stopped or not) requires a bunch of
redrawing; it might be better if the alwaysBuffer property of the movie were
set tot true; the other thing to consider is whether you need a movie at all
if it's stopped... by that, I mean perhaps you could have a static graphic
of the "stopped state" that was displayed most of the time with the player
object hidden (its visible set to false), and then when it came time to show
the movie, you literally "showed the movie" (i.e. set its visible to true)
and played it.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Samuel" <livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk>
To: "Revolution user discussion" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 4:35 AM
Subject: Still need help with grab problems


> Hi folks
>
> I have a problem which I've described before, but I believe I have
> tried all suggestions made by listers (like fiddling with the
> alwaysBuffer property, etc.) and I'm still foxed, so I'm just going
> to state the issue again in case anyone can help.
>
> I have a stack which displays a card on which there are a number of
> static graphic objects, and at the top layer there are also some
> image objects. The user can move these around the screen with the
> mouse. The script in each image for the moving is just
>
>    on mouseDown
>     grab me
>    end mouseDown
>
> When these images arrive at certain places on the screen, other
> scripts come into play, but during the movement, it's just grabbing.
>
> Now, this works fine on my Macs, with a reasonably smooth traversal
> and the image keeping up with the physical mouse movement, but on the
> PC versions the image gets stuck when crossing a certain area of the
> screen, and can take tens of seconds to catch up with the mouse. I
> have tried to work out what is unique about this screen area, and it
> seems that 'below' the image at this point is a coloured (filled)
> rectangle, and below that a player object with a (stopped) QT movie
> in it. The strange thing is that I have tried to reduce this problem
> to its essentials by just recreating a single image traversing a
> rectangle with a player object under it, and there doesn't seem to be
> a problem. There must be some other factor coming into play (perhaps
> the total number of objects in the window?) but I can't think of a
> way of attacking it, since AFAIKS it's not a scripting issue.
>
> Any ideas would be gratefully received.
>
> As a perhaps relevant aside, what do people think is now the minimum
> sensible hardware and software combination on a PC to run the Revo
> 1.1. engine? I know my PCs are way out of date, but as a Mac person I
> don't know what to suggest to my users as a minimum setup.
>
> Graham
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>           Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France
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>



From steve at messimercomputing.com  Thu Feb  6 11:06:01 2003
From: steve at messimercomputing.com (Stephen Messimer)
Date: Thu Feb  6 11:06:01 2003
Subject: animations
In-Reply-To: <200302061553.KAA06195@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <534FB5B3-39EC-11D7-86EF-000A27D75508@messimercomputing.com>

Ken,

Thanks.  This tip is very useful. I will give it a try.

Steve

On Thursday, February 6, 2003, at 10:53 AM, 
use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> Stephen, the move command is not limited to straight paths; make a 
> curvy
> path with the Freehand tool, and do a:
>
>   move <objectDescriptor> to (the points of 
> <curvyPathGraphicDescriptor>)
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
>
Stephen R. Messimer, PA
208 1st Ave. South	
Escanaba, MI 49829
www.messimercomputing.com



From alrice at ARCplanning.com  Thu Feb  6 11:08:00 2003
From: alrice at ARCplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Thu Feb  6 11:08:00 2003
Subject: control arrays?
Message-ID: <89CA479E-39EC-11D7-9F75-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>

Does revolution have the concept of GUI control arrays? This is a 
useful thing that Cocoa has (actually has GUI control matrices) and I 
think Java has control arrays too. For instance i need to put a bunch 
of radio groups into a scrolling group, but won't know until run-time 
how many there will be.

Thanks,

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Feb  6 11:13:01 2003
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu Feb  6 11:13:01 2003
Subject: home stack
References: <1cc.1be5518.2b72e924@aol.com>
Message-ID: <02a001c2cdfa$61584c90$6f00a8c0@mckinley.dom>

The home stack is the first stack that is opened by Revolution for its
interface... but it's just a name... the home stack has no special
significance as compared to any other stack.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: <Rdac4 at aol.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 4:24 PM
Subject: home stack


> Can you tell me what the definition of a home stack is?  Thanks
>



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Feb  6 11:48:00 2003
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu Feb  6 11:48:00 2003
Subject: Revolution Polo Shirts/T-Shirts
References: <200302060935.EAA22708@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3E4290D3.8090306@hyperactivesw.com>

"Maitzen, Michael R" <mmaitzen at iupui.edu> wrote:
> 
> Someone has started doing this with the new SuperCard 4 logo. I got a Polo-type shirt myself but they had T's, bags, sweatshirts, even infant clothing. I did not think SC had the critical mass for that type of thing but obviously someone did. Unfortunatly I can't find an e-mail or link from that transaction and my reciept is at home but if the Revolution folks want to talk to the great people at Solutions Etcetera who sell SuperCard I expect they can find out.
> 
> I know I would buy one.

A good place to set up customized online purchases is:

  http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/

There is no charge to open a basic selling operation, the web site 
handles all the printing, shipping, and credit card details, and profits 
from the sales go directly back to the shop owner. If Runtime were to 
set up a shop there, they might make some pocket change. The only 
problem is that the store can deal only in US currency -- Runtime would 
be responsible for currency conversions, which might cost more than 
profits would cover.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Feb  6 11:53:01 2003
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu Feb  6 11:53:01 2003
Subject: Still need help with grab problems
In-Reply-To: <p05100301ba67e5cbabdc@[62.30.170.67]>
Message-ID: <BA67D208.D2%scott@tactilemedia.com>

"Graham Samuel" wrote:

> I have a stack which displays a card on which there are a number of
> static graphic objects, and at the top layer there are also some
> image objects. The user can move these around the screen with the
> mouse. The script in each image for the moving is just
> 
>  on mouseDown
>   grab me
>  end mouseDown
> 
> When these images arrive at certain places on the screen, other
> scripts come into play, but during the movement, it's just grabbing.

The grab command is essentially synchronous -- you can't run anything else
until the grab action is completed.

Is there a reason you can't use your own drag routine?  Some time ago, I
suggested you use your own drag script instead of the grab command.  There
are examples in the archives, or you can try entering the following in your
message box:

  go stack url "http://www.tactilemedia.com/panel.mc"

Alternatively, you can go to http://www.tactilemedia.com/download

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Tactile Media



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Feb  6 11:56:01 2003
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu Feb  6 11:56:01 2003
Subject: Storing  images
In-Reply-To: <026a01c2cdf8$1c2addb0$6f00a8c0@mckinley.dom>
Message-ID: <BA67D2A9.D4%scott@tactilemedia.com>

"Ken Ray" wrote:

> Only one comment I'd make, and that is that:
> 
> set the imageData of image 1 to the imageData of image 2
> 
> requires both images to have the same width and height, whereas:
> 
> put image 1 into image 2
> 
> causes image 2 to resize to fit the size of image 1 automatically.

Great tip Ken.

...Which further supports the claim that there are numerous ways to deal
with storing and displaying images in Rev/MC. :-)

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Tactile Media



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  6 12:05:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Thu Feb  6 12:05:01 2003
Subject: control arrays?
In-Reply-To: <89CA479E-39EC-11D7-9F75-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>
Message-ID: <20030206170043.89851.qmail@web11905.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Alex Rice <alrice at ARCplanning.com> wrote:
> Does revolution have the concept of GUI control
> arrays? This is a 
> useful thing that Cocoa has (actually has GUI
> control matrices) and I 
> think Java has control arrays too. For instance i
> need to put a bunch 
> of radio groups into a scrolling group, but won't
> know until run-time 
> how many there will be.
> 

Hi Alex,

I've accomplished this in the past with a script
similar to this :

  lock screen
  -- now setup the template properties
  set the style of the templateButton to "radiobutton"
  -- create the buttons in the group
  repeat for each line tButtonName of tNewButtons
    create button tButtonName in group "Foobar"
    set the top of it to tRunningTop
    add 20 to tRunningTop
  end repeat
  -- all done, so redraw screen
  unlock screen

Of course you'll have to do some bookkeeping to remove
the buttons etc, but that shouldn't prove too hard.

Hope this helped a bit,

Jan Schenkel.

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From wmb at internettrainer.com  Thu Feb  6 12:21:00 2003
From: wmb at internettrainer.com (Wolfgang M. Bereuter)
Date: Thu Feb  6 12:21:00 2003
Subject: Pre-Beta for 2.0 for Mac OS
In-Reply-To: <20030204111900.57697.qmail@web11907.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D7FD0C92-39F6-11D7-887B-003065430226@internettrainer.com>

On Dienstag, Februar 4, 2003, at 12:19  Uhr, Jan Schenkel wrote:

>> One more thing about the new property palette--maybe
>> there should
>> still be a menu item in the option menu, or a
>> button, to go to the
>> object's script. Although the script won't open in
>> the palette, it
>> will still make a lot of sense to go from one to the
>> other.
>>
>
> Or as an icon in the button-row at the top which you
> suggested in an earlier post. That would save us quite
> a few trips without making things difficult again.
dont forget the alt+cmd+ mousepointer over the object - as one of the 
fastest way to open the script of an object.

regards
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From brad at activadesign.com  Thu Feb  6 12:47:01 2003
From: brad at activadesign.com (Bradley Borch)
Date: Thu Feb  6 12:47:01 2003
Subject: testing the waters
Message-ID: <75AD43CF-39FA-11D7-9EF1-000393C824D2@activadesign.com>

Brrr from Maine...

I'm new to rev but not to multimedia, been doing it since it was 
videodiscs, using Tencore, Quest, etc. Been using Director for about 
six years (too long) now, got burned by investing time & energy in 
Oracle Media Objects. I'd appreciate any thoughts or help in getting 
going (I took a HyperCard class in '88 -- eons ago in digital media 
time).

1) Can rev serve as a replacement for Director?

2) (related to 1) My most recent Dir CD had a lot of Flash animation, 
and I never used the Dir timeline for animation at all, just "go the 
frame" stuff. Can I take the same approach in rev using Flash export to 
swf 5 (the latest that QT 6 supports) and still have some control 
within the flash animation? I did a test and got mixed results. Any 
user experiences using rev as a multimedia player with Flash embedded 
as QT would be most helpful.

3) How does Rev compare to iShell? I tried iShell but it felt really 
constraining. I know they're different animals, any specific 
observations would be great.

TIA for your input.

Brad Borch



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb  6 13:06:01 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu Feb  6 13:06:01 2003
Subject: Program Executable Location
In-Reply-To: <026201c2cdf7$c0f4cc80$6f00a8c0@mckinley.dom>
Message-ID: <BA67E31B.257FE%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

Ken Ray wrote:

> Actually, it's even easier guys... in a standalone, "the directory" points
> to the folder where the standalone is automatically. When you're developing
> in Rev, though, "the directory" points to the location of the Revolution
> application.

This requires that you keep all of your non-standalone files in your Rev
folder, but I prefer to keep each app in its own work folder separate from
the application and other work files.

The handler below returns the path to the stackfile calling it, and accounts
for yet another screwy weirdness of OS X (in this case, the Mach-0 bundle
structure unique to OS X):


function AppPath
  put the filename of this stack into tPath
  set the itemdel to "/"
  If (IsOSX()) then
    get offset(".app/Contents/MacOS/", tPath)
    if it > 0 then -- 2.4.3 or later
      delete char it to len(tPath) of tPath
    end if
  end if
  delete last item of tPath
  return tPath &"/"
end AppPath

function IsOSX
  if the platform is not "MacOS" then return false
  get the systemversion
  set the itemdel to "."
  if item 1 of it >= 10 then return true
  return false
end IsOSX



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From runrev at technetx.com  Thu Feb  6 14:00:01 2003
From: runrev at technetx.com (runrev at technetx.com)
Date: Thu Feb  6 14:00:01 2003
Subject: WinAPI and External DLL's
Message-ID: <002101c2ce11$490ab6c0$0201a8c0@nh2>

Hi all,

Does anybody have information on connecting to the WinApi and binding to external dll's from Revolution?  I can't find docs but the revolution website says it's easy to do.  Thanks in advance.
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From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Thu Feb  6 15:49:01 2003
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Thu Feb  6 15:49:01 2003
Subject: Furby.rev (a virtual Furby toy)
Message-ID: <OFDF0B34CC.C8D24865-ON85256CC5.00716D3F@sealedair.com>

Thank you to everyone who tried out Furby.rev and sent e-mails of
encouragement to my son, William.  He (we) thoroughly enjoyed reading your
comments and suggestions for improvements.  This is the kind of support
that makes a kid want to do their absolute best!  I am proud to be a part
of this knowledge exchange list. You guys are terrific!

Roger Eller
roger.e.eller at sealedair.com






From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Feb  6 16:15:00 2003
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu Feb  6 16:15:00 2003
Subject: WinAPI and External DLL's
In-Reply-To: <002101c2ce11$490ab6c0$0201a8c0@nh2>
Message-ID: <ACEELABEAIANJNCEJFMACEMLDEAA.chipp@chipp.com>

Hi,

You should be able to find a folder named "External SDK" in the directory
where Revolution.exe resides.

BTW, we like to post plain text to this list. Hope this helps.

-Chipp

-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of
runrev at technetx.com
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:55 PM
To: Run Time Revolution USE
Subject: WinAPI and External DLL's


Hi all,

Does anybody have information on connecting to the WinApi and binding to
external dll's from Revolution?  I can't find docs but the revolution
website says it's easy to do.  Thanks in advance.



From runrev at technetx.com  Thu Feb  6 17:38:01 2003
From: runrev at technetx.com (runrev at technetx.com)
Date: Thu Feb  6 17:38:01 2003
Subject: WinAPI and External DLL's
References: <ACEELABEAIANJNCEJFMACEMLDEAA.chipp@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <003401c2ce2f$bfb9ba00$0201a8c0@nh2>

Thanks Chipp!

P.S... I had not realized my mail settings were on html... sorry all for the
inconvenience.

Ron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chipp Walters" <chipp at chipp.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 1:08 PM
Subject: RE: WinAPI and External DLL's


> Hi,
>
> You should be able to find a folder named "External SDK" in the directory
> where Revolution.exe resides.
>
> BTW, we like to post plain text to this list. Hope this helps.
>
> -Chipp
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of
> runrev at technetx.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 12:55 PM
> To: Run Time Revolution USE
> Subject: WinAPI and External DLL's
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> Does anybody have information on connecting to the WinApi and binding to
> external dll's from Revolution?  I can't find docs but the revolution
> website says it's easy to do.  Thanks in advance.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  6 17:41:01 2003
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (erik hansen)
Date: Thu Feb  6 17:41:01 2003
Subject: home stack
In-Reply-To: <02a001c2cdfa$61584c90$6f00a8c0@mckinley.dom>
Message-ID: <20030206223716.65614.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Ken Ray <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote:
> The home stack is the first stack that is
> opened by Revolution for its
> interface... but it's just a name... the home
> stack has no special
> significance as compared to any other stack.

how does Revolution decide which will be
"the first stack that is opened"?

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From jswitte at bloomington.in.us  Thu Feb  6 17:52:00 2003
From: jswitte at bloomington.in.us (Jim Witte)
Date: Thu Feb  6 17:52:00 2003
Subject: My 2 bits on pre-beta
Message-ID: <04251B9E-3A25-11D7-8F5B-000393BF0854@bloomington.in.us>

   My two bits about the pre-beta:  First of all, kudos to the Rev team 
for putting it out.  I figured part of the reason they put it out in 
it's alpha state is to "satisfy" people who have (perhaps justifiably) 
been kvetching about when 2.0 will come out.  Well.. stop kvetching so 
badly now!

   Okay, on to my two (maybe three and a half) bits:  first, having a 
button a automatically resize a button width to be as wide as the title 
plus some margin would be great (this may be part of whatever's going 
to be in the Geometry panel).  Better yet (I don't know if this is 
possible with MC) would be to be able to edit button name's in the 
stack itself without going to the property palette.

   I haven't used the alignment manager at all (in 1.1.1 or 2.0a), but 
snap-to guides for new buttons etc would be good.  I like 
InterfaceBuilder.. (being able to import Nibs would be great too, but 
that might be too much to ask, unless someone can put me in touch with 
the nib file format..)

   It would be nice if the Application Overview window would remember 
it's position on startup (and maybe the other palettes as well - I 
don't remember if they do or not)  A command-N for "New Mainstack" 
would be a nice touch (and maybe Cmd-Opt-N for New Substack)

   Finally, and I'm not sure how this would work out in practice, would 
be an option to have the all the palettes (property, script, etc), NOT 
be palettes, but be regular windows.  I'm mainly looking for a way to 
close the palette without using the mouse - using a laptop without a 
USB mouse, I like to stay off the trackpad as much as possible.

Keep up the great work!
Jim Witte
jswitte at bloomington.in.us



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb  6 18:01:01 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu Feb  6 18:01:01 2003
Subject: testing the waters
In-Reply-To: <75AD43CF-39FA-11D7-9EF1-000393C824D2@activadesign.com>
Message-ID: <BA682838.2584E%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

Bradley Borch wrote:

> 1) Can rev serve as a replacement for Director?

Yes and no.  Every tool has its stregths and weaknesses.  If you already
know Director and have alreadt paid for the two full packages you'll need
for cross-platform work, and if the nature of your project depends heavily
on animation or other traditional multimedia uses for which a timeline is
ideal, then it's a very good choice.

On the other hand, if you're building things along the lines of a true
application, you'll probably be working way to hard trying that in Director.

What are you building?


> 2) (related to 1) My most recent Dir CD had a lot of Flash animation,
> and I never used the Dir timeline for animation at all, just "go the
> frame" stuff. Can I take the same approach in rev using Flash export to
> swf 5 (the latest that QT 6 supports) and still have some control
> within the flash animation? I did a test and got mixed results. Any
> user experiences using rev as a multimedia player with Flash embedded
> as QT would be most helpful.

What sort of mixed results did you get?
 
> 3) How does Rev compare to iShell? I tried iShell but it felt really
> constraining. I know they're different animals, any specific
> observations would be great.

I've been roasted for this before here, but the offer still stands:  If
someone will put up enough to pay my bills for two months I'll build an
iShell-like tool using Rev.

iShell is great precisely because it is constraining:  by providing a more
focused feature set it can allow faster work for some types of projects.

But with Rev's speed and flexibility, many of us build custom authoring
environments for clients, which may be difficult to do in iShell itself, but
could produce something that offers a very similar focused approach if
needed.

-- 
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 Fourth World Media Corporation
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From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  6 18:05:00 2003
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (erik hansen)
Date: Thu Feb  6 18:05:00 2003
Subject: inherit from owner
In-Reply-To: <20030206103222.66172.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030206230037.76331.qmail@web20006.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
> --- erik hansen <erikhans08 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > the properties (colors) palette has an
> > "inherit from owner" button,
> > but i can't find a way 
> > to script this in the docs. any ideas?

> Try something like this:
>   set the foregroundColor of field "FooBar" to
> empty

good! thanks, 
set the <whatever> of field "FooBar" to empty
has popped up a lot on the list,
for all kinds of things.
maybe next time i will see it!

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From jswitte at bloomington.in.us  Thu Feb  6 18:13:01 2003
From: jswitte at bloomington.in.us (Jim Witte)
Date: Thu Feb  6 18:13:01 2003
Subject: Setting graphic style to Line
Message-ID: <05925B5B-3A28-11D7-A645-000393BF0854@bloomington.in.us>

   These observations refer to both 1.1.1 and 2.0 I think (I haven't 
done rigorous testing).  When I try to set the style of a graphic 
object to line (eg. set style of the selectedObject to line') I get an 
error (Expression: missing factor).

   But if I create one line, then set the style of another object to the 
style of the first line, it disappears.  The object is still listed in 
the application overview (at least in 20a), but it won't show on the 
screen (If I set the style to something other than a line, it shows up; 
then if I select line again, it disappears.

I tried the script mentioned before on the list:

set the style of the defaultgraphic to line
create graphic linetohost
set the points of graphic linetohost to MyVertList
choose browse tool

but got a " missing '(' " error on the 'set the style..' line.

Thanks,
Jim



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Thu Feb  6 20:08:00 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Thu Feb  6 20:08:00 2003
Subject: Animations in groups
In-Reply-To: <200302061552.KAA06107@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA684AA6.6B99%pixelbird@interisland.net>

**********
> From: "Stephen Messimer" <steve at messimercomputing.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 3:32 PM
> Subject: Animations in groups

>> Hi,
>> 
>> I would really like to use the animation manager to make animations in
>> groups.  This would allow me to hide the group after the animation is
>> shown.  Thus far I have been unable to do this.  The documentation
>> suggests that animations are creatures of cards
----------
Good question. How about making the animation into a QT movie?

Ken N. ( the _other_ Ken)
**********



From alrice at ARCplanning.com  Thu Feb  6 20:16:01 2003
From: alrice at ARCplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Thu Feb  6 20:16:01 2003
Subject: couple of questions
Message-ID: <10F820B4-3A39-11D7-9F75-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>

1) I am working on printing a report, and have gotten as far as copying 
a my report group to another stack, resizing the group and the stack to 
fit the contents, setting the formatForPrinting property. Ready to 
print. Printing with "print stack" works OK. Now I need to do 
pagination, ideally also do page numbering, and ideally do sizing of 
the print job to the user's printer/paper size. Does anyone have sample 
code they could share, or have posted in the past to this list, which 
shows how to do this non-trivial kind of printing. Especially the paper 
size and pagination?

2) I'm learning about colors and property inheritance. I just set my 
stack's backColor to white and now all my buttons (lots of them) are 
white too. I want grey buttons. Do I have to set the backColor of each 
button to grey? I can script it in the message box, but there must be 
an easier way. At first I was thinking this would be a good use for 
Profiles, now I'm not so sure. A lot of the buttons don't belong to a 
group that would be useful for setting the backColor in.

Many thanks,

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Thu Feb  6 20:57:01 2003
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah)
Date: Thu Feb  6 20:57:01 2003
Subject: standalone as desktop
In-Reply-To: <a05111ae8ba67e2399c83@[192.168.0.100]>
Message-ID: <B5F53AA1-3A3E-11D7-BBE1-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

I don't think you can include Application Overview in your standalone, 
but you can certainly include the functionality that you are looking 
for. You can just create a palette or group, populate it with check 
boxes for each group, either before building or dynamically when your 
app starts, and use scripts to hide & show groups based on the check 
boxes. If the groups are in a separate sub-stack, you can save the 
stack so your settings stay stuck. Otherwise, you will need to save the 
settings in a separate file so that you can restore it when the app 
opens.

Cheers,
Sarah

On Thursday, February 6, 2003, at 07:58  pm, erik hansen wrote:

>
> thanks again for all the help.
>
> my HP app has a menu "btns" and a menu "flds"
> that allow the user to hide/show controls on the
> "desktop" (card) while they work. each control or
> proto-group of controls had a checkmark for each
> menuItem. the settings were stored when the page
> was closed.
>
> in RR all of this is taken care of in Application
>  Overview. better.
>
> the query: in a standalone, is there any way for
> the user to utilize groups, Application Overview,
> etc. to hide/show controls as needed?
>
> if yes, great!
> if no, the work was not in vain!
>
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From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Thu Feb  6 21:01:01 2003
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah)
Date: Thu Feb  6 21:01:01 2003
Subject: control arrays?
In-Reply-To: <a05111a12ba68392efe1a@[192.168.0.100]>
Message-ID: <52D79813-3A3F-11D7-BBE1-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

I find it best to have a hidden template object and clone the required 
number when needed. That way you can have it set up exactly as you want 
as regards size, colors, fonts, scripts etc. Also cloning an object 
that is already in a group, adds it to the existing group.

Cheers,
Sarah

On Friday, February 7, 2003, at 02:09  am, Alex Rice wrote:

> Does revolution have the concept of GUI control arrays? This is a 
> useful thing that Cocoa has (actually has GUI control matrices) and I 
> think Java has control arrays too. For instance i need to put a bunch 
> of radio groups into a scrolling group, but won't know until run-time 
> how many there will be.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alex Rice, Software Developer
> Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
> alrice at ARCplanning.com
> alrice at swcp.com
>
>
>
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From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb  6 21:11:00 2003
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (erik hansen)
Date: Thu Feb  6 21:11:00 2003
Subject: standalone as desktop
In-Reply-To: <B5F53AA1-3A3E-11D7-BBE1-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <20030207020628.88276.qmail@web20009.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Sarah <sarahr at genesearch.com.au> wrote:
> I don't think you can include Application
> Overview in your standalone, 
> but you can certainly include the functionality
> that you are looking 
> for. You can just create a palette or group,
> populate it with check 
> boxes for each group, either before building or
> dynamically when your 
> app starts, and use scripts to hide & show
> groups based on the check 
> boxes. If the groups are in a separate
> sub-stack, you can save the 
> stack so your settings stay stuck. Otherwise,
> you will need to save the 
> settings in a separate file so that you can
> restore it when the app opens.

about what i had in HC, but i like your palette
idea better than menuItems.
thanks!

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From Revinfo1155 at aol.com  Thu Feb  6 21:14:01 2003
From: Revinfo1155 at aol.com (Revinfo1155 at aol.com)
Date: Thu Feb  6 21:14:01 2003
Subject: How to edit a palette?
Message-ID: <26.345db94e.2b746f49@aol.com>

The Rev documentation says you can make a palette editable with the topLevel 
function and then control click (MacOS) and a contextual menu will open which 
allows you to edit a palette and of course study the scripts etc.   Does 
anyone have experience with this?   I'm not having any luck with it.

Jack
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From brad at activadesign.com  Thu Feb  6 21:35:01 2003
From: brad at activadesign.com (Bradley Borch)
Date: Thu Feb  6 21:35:01 2003
Subject: use-revolution digest, Vol 1 #1110 - 15 msgs
In-Reply-To: <200302070117.UAA21136@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <22507106-3A44-11D7-8FB8-000393C824D2@activadesign.com>

Richard,

Thanks for the response.

On Thursday, February 6, 2003, at 08:17  PM, 
use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> Bradley Borch wrote:
>> 1) Can rev serve as a replacement for Director?
> Yes and no. ... What are you building?
See below

>> 2) ... using Flash export to swf 5...  and got mixed results.
> What sort of mixed results did you get?
Buttons worked intermittently

>> 3) How does Rev compare to iShell?
> ... But with Rev's speed and flexibility, many of us build custom 
> authoring
> environments for clients,
That's what my product is going to be, a tool that allows users to 
import numerous documents - html, quicktime, stills - and create 
hyperlinks among them. The card-based concept seems especially well 
suited to this type of app.

I understand that these are different tools. However, it sure appears 
that Rev has a much simpler way of accomplishing many of the same 
things Dir can do. E.g. I came across the "replaceText" command last 
night. It took me seven lines of code including a repeat loop in Lingo 
to perform the same function, and fifteen minutes to get the variables 
(char 0 is actually the first char) right. If I can do all my 
animations in Flash and QT then I'll go with Rev. BTW, has anybody used 
the imageSource in any cool ways? That's another thing Dir can't do.

Brad



From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Thu Feb  6 22:14:01 2003
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah)
Date: Thu Feb  6 22:14:01 2003
Subject: How to edit a palette?
In-Reply-To: <a05111a35ba68c6dce03e@[192.168.0.100]>
Message-ID: <7B9D10AC-3A49-11D7-BBE1-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

If the stack is in palette form, it is NOT editable. If you use 
"topLevel" to make it a normal stack, then it can be edited and worked 
on exactly like a normal stack. In you are using the pointer tool (as 
if editing) and you control-click on the stack, a contextual menu pops 
up which allows you to do various things among which is an option to 
change the mode of the stack. This is what you can use to set the style 
back to palette when you are finished editing. You can also use the 
Application Overview to open a stack in any mode.

Cheers,
Sarah

On Friday, February 7, 2003, at 12:13  pm, Revinfo1155 at aol.com wrote:

> The Rev documentation says you can make a palette editable with the 
> topLevel function and then control click (MacOS) and a contextual menu 
> will open which allows you to edit a palette and of course study the 
> scripts etc.? Does anyone have experience with this?? I'm not having 
> any luck with it.
>
> Jack




From steve at messimercomputing.com  Thu Feb  6 23:43:01 2003
From: steve at messimercomputing.com (Stephen Messimer)
Date: Thu Feb  6 23:43:01 2003
Subject: animations
Message-ID: <0C116E91-3A56-11D7-B66B-000A27D75508@messimercomputing.com>

Hi Ken,

> Good question. How about making the animation into a QT movie?
>
> Ken N. ( the _other_ Ken)
> **********
>
Well I suppose I could use SnapZPro X. and make a quick time movie and 
put a player in the group.  This could work but I have a feeling that 
the overhead would be significant. Besides the animation manager is 
very cool and simple to use for animating Rev Objects.  My guess is 
that the resulting animation is relatively small as well.  In addition, 
I wouldn't have to fiddle around with data folders, relative path 
scripting etc using the animation manager.

Having the ability to use this tool within a group means that I can 
have multiple uses for a card's screen real estate. Placing  the 
animation in a group allows me to show and hide it at will. I am 
already doing this using the move command on group components.  The 
results are nice but no where as sophisticated as they would be using 
the animation manager.

Regards,

Steve

Stephen R. Messimer, PA
208 1st Ave. South	
Escanaba, MI 49829
www.messimercomputing.com



From katir at hindu.org  Fri Feb  7 00:09:00 2003
From: katir at hindu.org (Sannyasin Sivakatirswami)
Date: Fri Feb  7 00:09:00 2003
Subject: How to edit a palette?
In-Reply-To: <7B9D10AC-3A49-11D7-BBE1-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <C3C7EB25-3A59-11D7-95C8-003065FB9830@hindu.org>

Contextual menus not working for me either... but for years I have put 
toggles on palette windows during dev... this works great: make it a 
check box btn ( if you want to see it) or make it transparent, 
borderless, nameless btn in some location you can remember (if you 
don't like to see it on the interface... later if you forget you can 
find it in the application overview)

on mouseup
   if the mode of this stack is 4 then
     toplevel this stack
   else
     palette this stack
   end if
end mouseup

or "remotely" from another stack, say stack "Dev Tools" which has a 
button:

"Edit Favorites Window"

on mouseup
   if the mode of stack "Favorites" is 4 then
     toplevel stack "Favorites" ## allows editing
   else
     palette stack "Favorites" ## restore to palette
   end if
end mouseup



On Thursday, February 6, 2003, at 05:08 PM, Sarah wrote:

> If the stack is in palette form, it is NOT editable. If you use 
> "topLevel" to make it a normal stack, then it can be edited and worked 
> on exactly like a normal stack. In you are using the pointer tool (as 
> if editing) and you control-click on the stack, a contextual menu pops 
> up which allows you to do various things among which is an option to 
> change the mode of the stack. This is what you can use to set the 
> style back to palette when you are finished editing. You can also use 
> the Application Overview to open a stack in any mode.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
>
> On Friday, February 7, 2003, at 12:13  pm, Revinfo1155 at aol.com wrote:
>
>> The Rev documentation says you can make a palette editable with the 
>> topLevel function and then control click (MacOS) and a contextual 
>> menu will open which allows you to edit a palette and of course study 
>> the scripts etc.? Does anyone have experience with this?? I'm not 
>> having any luck with it.
>>
>> Jack
>
>
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From PMDA at earthlink.net  Fri Feb  7 00:28:01 2003
From: PMDA at earthlink.net (Tariel Gogoberidze)
Date: Fri Feb  7 00:28:01 2003
Subject: Norton Internet Security (NIS) and Post command failure
References: <200302060934.EAA22506@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3E4342B2.9020801@earthlink.net>

This problem was already mentioned either on this or MC list by Rich Herz

 >There are problems with MC access to internet with Norton
 >Internet Security (NIS) installed on Win XP. NIS must
 >be uninstalled, not merely turned off.
--
 > NIS on Win 98 seems to be working OK.
 >Rich Herz

We are also badly hit by this issue.
Our users with windows XP and NIS installed  can't send post command. 
Sometimes Norton askes for permision to allow MC stanalone to work but 
then blocks it anyway.


Short of uninstalling (which users hate to do for obvious reasons) 
nothing helps.

I really hope somebody have a solution for this

Thanks in advance for suggestions
Tariel Gogoberidze



From katir at hindu.org  Fri Feb  7 00:51:01 2003
From: katir at hindu.org (Sannyasin Sivakatirswami)
Date: Fri Feb  7 00:51:01 2003
Subject: Storing  images
In-Reply-To: <35C168D4-3931-11D7-8396-003065AD94A4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <9932C5F2-3A5F-11D7-95C8-003065FB9830@hindu.org>

Maybe i am missing something about what you are trying to do... and 
maybe this option you already know...

anyway, to  add yet another option which works perfectly, does not 
require that you reference images files from disk, allows for dynamic 
resizing of all images on the fly, displays all instances as btn icons 
as many  times and with whatever sizes as you want, whenever you want 
them,  but with only one "copy"  of the actual image data in the 
(sub)stack:

In substack "Alphabet" (which the user never sees or knows about... 
it's just a library stack) I have imported very large images of 
characters needed for elsewhere at any time at any size, generally only 
smaller versions so that the image quality is never reduced.  Each 
image in the "alphabet" stack (library/resource whatever)  has a custom 
property set named "mySize' which contains the width and height pair 
for its original size as imported.

mySize 			

     200,400

in mainstack "Lessons"  are these handlers which do math against this 
property of the image:

on resizeImage theRatio theImage
   set the defaultStack to "alphabet"
   set the width of image id theImage to theRatio * item 1 of the mySize 
of image id  theImage
   set the height of image id theImage to theRatio * item 2 of the   
mySize of image id  theImage
end resizeImage

on restoreImageSize theImage
   set the defaultStack to "alphabet"
   set the width of image id  theImage to  item 1 of the mySize of image 
id  theImage
   set the height of image id  theImage to  item 2 of the mySize of 
image id  theImage
end restoreImageSize

on say,  card 3,  of stack" Lessons",  a preopencard handler make the 
size change request(s) before display, where the sizes of  18 of the 
characters are being displayed at .17 of their original size on that 
particular card.  When leaving the card the images are resized to their 
original size so that any subsequent ratio changes for usage in other 
contexts are always working from the known original size. ID's have 
been preset to match the needs for this context where the ordinal 
position in the alphabet corresponds to the ordinals 2001,2002, etc. 
just to make it easier to remember and script:

on preopenCard
   repeat with x = 1 to 18
     resizeImage .17,  (2000+x)  ## we pass the size change and the 
image ID
   end repeat
end preopenCard
on closeCard
   repeat with x = 1 to 18
     restoreimagesize  (2000+x)
   end repeat
end closeCard

Viola, when opening the card, all the "images" which are actually btns 
icons for buttons 1 -18 on this cared are all showing a small versions 
of the image.

And its fast also... no overhead delay opening the card.

does that help? Convoluted? Yes perhaps, but in terms of space 
overhead, especially for web delivery, having only a single instance of 
the image data actuall present keeps file sizes way down and you don't 
have to hassle with keep image externally.

On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 07:42 AM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

> This thread confuses me, so I made some experiments, to clarify all 
> this for me, I will list the results of them here (if this is useful 
> for any of you then that is your own fault!):
>
> setting the icon:
> set the icon of button "foo" to image "bar"



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  7 01:20:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Fri Feb  7 01:20:01 2003
Subject: Setting graphic style to Line
In-Reply-To: <05925B5B-3A28-11D7-A645-000393BF0854@bloomington.in.us>
Message-ID: <20030207061614.26862.qmail@web11906.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Jim Witte <jswitte at bloomington.in.us> wrote:
>    These observations refer to both 1.1.1 and 2.0 I
> think (I haven't 
> done rigorous testing).  When I try to set the style
> of a graphic 
> object to line (eg. set style of the selectedObject
> to line') I get an 
> error (Expression: missing factor).
> 
>    But if I create one line, then set the style of
> another object to the 
> style of the first line, it disappears.  The object
> is still listed in 
> the application overview (at least in 20a), but it
> won't show on the 
> screen (If I set the style to something other than a
> line, it shows up; 
> then if I select line again, it disappears.
> 
> I tried the script mentioned before on the list:
> 
> set the style of the defaultgraphic to line
> create graphic linetohost
> set the points of graphic linetohost to MyVertList
> choose browse tool
> 
> but got a " missing '(' " error on the 'set the
> style..' line.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jim
> 

Hi Jim,

Try the following :
  set the style of graphic "Foobar" to "line"

As 'line' is a reserved word in Transcript, it's
better to surround it with quotes to avoid any
misinterpretation by the compiler.

In this case, the compiler thinks you want to set the
style of the graphic to the _content_ of line XXX of a
variable or another container, and reports an error as
itthinks you forgot the rest of the reference.

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.


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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  7 01:44:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Fri Feb  7 01:44:01 2003
Subject: couple of questions
In-Reply-To: <10F820B4-3A39-11D7-9F75-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>
Message-ID: <20030207063953.28685.qmail@web11906.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Alex Rice <alrice at ARCplanning.com> wrote:
> 1) I am working on printing a report, and have
> gotten as far as copying 
> a my report group to another stack, resizing the
> group and the stack to 
> fit the contents, setting the formatForPrinting
> property. Ready to 
> print. Printing with "print stack" works OK. Now I
> need to do 
> pagination, ideally also do page numbering, and
> ideally do sizing of 
> the print job to the user's printer/paper size. Does
> anyone have sample 
> code they could share, or have posted in the past to
> this list, which 
> shows how to do this non-trivial kind of printing.
> Especially the paper 
> size and pagination?
> 

Hi Alex,

RunRev 2.0 will have much better printing options,
especially for reports.

In the meantime, you could take a look at the
'printPaperSize', 'printMargins' , 'printGutters', and
a few more 'printXXX' properties.
Then get the height of your stack, and you should be
able to determine where the page breaks are going to
end up, and 'create' or 'clone' a field on the correct
card with the pagenumber in it.

> 2) I'm learning about colors and property
> inheritance. I just set my 
> stack's backColor to white and now all my buttons
> (lots of them) are 
> white too. I want grey buttons. Do I have to set the
> backColor of each 
> button to grey? I can script it in the message box,
> but there must be 
> an easier way. At first I was thinking this would be
> a good use for 
> Profiles, now I'm not so sure. A lot of the buttons
> don't belong to a 
> group that would be useful for setting the backColor
> in.
> 

You could just put a white rectangle behind it. If you
place it in a 'background' group, it automatically
gets placed on all the cards as you create them.

Hope this helped a bit,

Jan Schenkel.

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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  7 01:51:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Fri Feb  7 01:51:01 2003
Subject: control arrays?
In-Reply-To: <52D79813-3A3F-11D7-BBE1-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <20030207064635.20630.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Sarah <sarahr at genesearch.com.au> wrote:
> I find it best to have a hidden template object and
> clone the required 
> number when needed. That way you can have it set up
> exactly as you want 
> as regards size, colors, fonts, scripts etc. Also
> cloning an object 
> that is already in a group, adds it to the existing
> group.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sarah
> 

Hi Sarah,

Thanks for this tip ; I didn't know 'clone' respected
the control's placement in a group. That would have
saved me quite a bit of code last weekend on one of my
library controls ; then again, it will save me quite a
few headaches when I try to clone a control into a
different group.
Maybe a good note to add in the dictionary, Jeanne ?

Best regards,

Jan Schenkel.

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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  7 01:58:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Fri Feb  7 01:58:01 2003
Subject: home stack
In-Reply-To: <20030206223716.65614.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030207065411.15584.qmail@web11905.mail.yahoo.com>

--- erik hansen <erikhans08 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> --- Ken Ray <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote:
> > The home stack is the first stack that is
> > opened by Revolution for its
> > interface... but it's just a name... the home
> > stack has no special
> > significance as compared to any other stack.
> 
> how does Revolution decide which will be
> "the first stack that is opened"?
> 

Hi Erik,

Well, apart from its being baked in at compiler time,
the key thing to remember here is that there is no
real 'home' stack as we (or at least quite a few of
us) know it from our HyperCard days.

Another thing to note is that there's only a 'home'
stack in the RunRev IDE (mainly for HyperCard-backward
compatibility) and that there isn't one in your
stand-alone, unless you were to explicitly create a
stack named 'home' in there.

The closest thing to a 'Home' stack for us now, is to
store all those nifty handlers into a separate library
stack, and then insert its script into back at
startup.

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

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From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Fri Feb  7 02:15:01 2003
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Fri Feb  7 02:15:01 2003
Subject: Finding the CD Drive
Message-ID: <FLEGJBMJADGKMCHIMFOHCEFHCOAA.monte@sweattechnologies.com>

Hi All

Does anyone have a function to find the name or names of the CD drives on a
users system. My app won't be on the CD but it needs to read a file from the
CD without user intervention.

Thanks

Monte Goulding
B.App.Sc. (Hons.)

Executive Director
Sweat Technologies

email: monte at sweattechnologies.com
website: www.sweattechnologies.com
mobile (International): +61 421 138 274
       (Australia): 0421 138 274



From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  7 02:36:00 2003
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (erik hansen)
Date: Fri Feb  7 02:36:00 2003
Subject: home stack
In-Reply-To: <20030207065411.15584.qmail@web11905.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030207073134.17481.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:

thanks for responding.

> The closest thing to a 'Home' stack for us now,
> is to store all those nifty handlers into a
separate
> library stack, and then insert its script into
> back at startup.

this is what i have never been able to do.
eventually it will be "oh, of course!"

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From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Fri Feb  7 02:47:01 2003
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Fri Feb  7 02:47:01 2003
Subject: control arrays?
In-Reply-To: <89CA479E-39EC-11D7-9F75-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>
Message-ID: <C3D84791-3A6F-11D7-B3D2-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com>

I created an example app at MacWorld that did exactly this. I just 
uploaded it to

http://www.inspiredlogic.com/downloads.html

Look for the clock array stack.

On Thursday, February 6, 2003, at 08:03 AM, Alex Rice wrote:

> Does revolution have the concept of GUI control arrays? This is a 
> useful thing that Cocoa has (actually has GUI control matrices) and I 
> think Java has control arrays too. For instance i need to put a bunch 
> of radio groups into a scrolling group, but won't know until run-time 
> how many there will be.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alex Rice, Software Developer
> Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
> alrice at ARCplanning.com
> alrice at swcp.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  7 03:40:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Fri Feb  7 03:40:01 2003
Subject: Finding the CD Drive
In-Reply-To: <FLEGJBMJADGKMCHIMFOHCEFHCOAA.monte@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <20030207083554.61017.qmail@web11907.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com>
wrote:
> 
> Hi All
> 
> Does anyone have a function to find the name or
> names of the CD drives on a
> users system. My app won't be on the CD but it needs
> to read a file from the
> CD without user intervention.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Monte Goulding

Hi Monte,

Have a look at the 'volumes' entry in the Transcript
Dictionary -- that should bring you closer.

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  7 03:45:02 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Fri Feb  7 03:45:02 2003
Subject: home stack
In-Reply-To: <20030207073134.17481.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030207084110.61365.qmail@web11907.mail.yahoo.com>

--- erik hansen <erikhans08 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> --- Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > The closest thing to a 'Home' stack for us now,
> > is to store all those nifty handlers into a
> separate
> > library stack, and then insert its script into
> > back at startup.
> 
> this is what i have never been able to do.
> eventually it will be "oh, of course!"
> 

Hi Erik,

It's not that hard, really. Just create a new stack,
put some handlers and functions in its stack script,
and then make them available by using
  insert the script of stack "Foobar" into back

From gary.rathbone at btclick.com  Fri Feb  7 03:55:01 2003
From: gary.rathbone at btclick.com (Gary Rathbone)
Date: Fri Feb  7 03:55:01 2003
Subject: Finding the CD Drive
In-Reply-To: <FLEGJBMJADGKMCHIMFOHCEFHCOAA.monte@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <000001c2ce85$f1c113d0$0e00000a@server>

The method I've used in the past is to get a volume list - volumes() and use
a repeat loop to search for a 'unique' file eg x:\monte456 which would only
exist on the CD. When you've found the file, you've found your 'active' CD
volume. 

I've searched the archives for a better solution but can't find one.

Regards

Gary Rathbone


> Does anyone have a function to find the name or names of the 
> CD drives on a users system. My app won't be on the CD but it 
> needs to read a file from the CD without user intervention.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Monte Goulding
> B.App.Sc. (Hons.)
> 
> Executive Director
> Sweat Technologies
> 
> email: monte at sweattechnologies.com
> website: www.sweattechnologies.com
> mobile (International): +61 421 138 274
>        (Australia): 0421 138 274
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com 
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-> revolution
> 




From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  7 03:58:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Fri Feb  7 03:58:01 2003
Subject: home stack
In-Reply-To: <20030207084110.61365.qmail@web11907.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030207085407.14520.qmail@web11904.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
> --- erik hansen <erikhans08 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > --- Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > The closest thing to a 'Home' stack for us now,
> > > is to store all those nifty handlers into a
> > separate
> > > library stack, and then insert its script into
> > > back at startup.
> > 
> > this is what i have never been able to do.
> > eventually it will be "oh, of course!"
> > 
> 
> Hi Erik,
> 
> It's not that hard, really. Just create a new stack,
> put some handlers and functions in its stack script,
> and then make them available by using
>   insert the script of stack "Foobar" into back
> From then on, messages, handlers and functions
> travel
> 'through' this script as well. It's a more advanced
> version of 'start using stack' because you can tweak
> the message path in a specific order.
> The only thing you have to make sure to avoid in the
> script, is any reference to 'me' as that's not going
> to be the stack anymore.
> 

Addendum: 
With 'insert script' you're not limited to stack
scripts, you can insert the script of _any_ control
into the message path that way. Very neat.

Suppose you have a field "Foobar" with script:
  on ellenFeiss
     beep 6
  end ellenFeiss

And you place it in the message path by
  insert script of fld "Foobar" into back

Whenever you type 'ellenFeiss' in the message box,
your computer will beep 6 times ; but don't worry, as
it's not Word, you won't lose your really good paper
;-)

Jan Schenkel.

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From sims at ezpzapps.com  Fri Feb  7 05:59:01 2003
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Fri Feb  7 05:59:01 2003
Subject: [OT] More French questions
In-Reply-To: <3E3A74E4.801@laposte.net>
References: <20030131123449.58713.qmail@web11906.mail.yahoo.com>
 <p05100300ba602383e5b3@[10.0.1.3]> <3E3A74E4.801@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <a05200f01ba6940453658@[10.0.1.2]>

Bonjour mes amis,

I am translating a Rev shareware into French and have a question
concerning month names.

I have a prototype (French translation is about halfway done so far) at

http://www.EZPZapps.com/iB/iBirthdayX.1.4A.sit

I need to know from someone who has a French System

1. Do the month names display correctly in French?

2.  After you click on a day in the calendar does the month display 
in French in the first field.


Merci!

sims
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       Software - Internet Development - Consulting


From kevin at runrev.com  Fri Feb  7 06:22:00 2003
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Fri Feb  7 06:22:00 2003
Subject: Norton Internet Security (NIS) and Post command failure
In-Reply-To: <3E4342B2.9020801@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BA69450E.111AF%kevin@runrev.com>

On 7/2/03 5:22 am, Tariel Gogoberidze <PMDA at earthlink.net> wrote:

> We are also badly hit by this issue.
> Our users with windows XP and NIS installed  can't send post command.
> Sometimes Norton askes for permision to allow MC stanalone to work but
> then blocks it anyway.
> 
> 
> Short of uninstalling (which users hate to do for obvious reasons)
> nothing helps.
> 
> I really hope somebody have a solution for this

This isn't something we can address, there are *many* other applications
that get completely messed up by having Norton installed too.  If everyone
who has been affected by this could file a bug report with them, that would
be the best thing...

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
Tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165.  Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707.



From miscdas at boxfrog.com  Fri Feb  7 06:36:01 2003
From: miscdas at boxfrog.com (miscdas at boxfrog.com)
Date: Fri Feb  7 06:36:01 2003
Subject: Setting graphic style to Line
In-Reply-To: <20030207061614.26862.qmail@web11906.mail.yahoo.com> 
References: <20030207061614.26862.qmail@web11906.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030207113231.51008.qmail@www.boxfrog.com>

Jan Schenkel writes: 

> --- Jim Witte <jswitte at bloomington.in.us> wrote:
>>    These observations refer to both 1.1.1 and 2.0 I
>> think (I haven't 
>> done rigorous testing).  When I try to set the style
>> of a graphic 
>> object to line (eg. set style of the selectedObject
>> to line') I get an 
>> error (Expression: missing factor). 
>> 
>>    But if I create one line, then set the style of
>> another object to the 
>> style of the first line, it disappears.  The object
>> is still listed in 
>> the application overview (at least in 20a), but it
>> won't show on the 
>> screen (If I set the style to something other than a
>> line, it shows up; 
>> then if I select line again, it disappears. 
>> 
>> I tried the script mentioned before on the list: 
>> 
>> set the style of the defaultgraphic to line
>> create graphic linetohost
>> set the points of graphic linetohost to MyVertList
>> choose browse tool 
>> 
>> but got a " missing '(' " error on the 'set the
>> style..' line. 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Jim 
>> 
> 
> Hi Jim, 
> 
> Try the following :
>   set the style of graphic "Foobar" to "line" 
> 
> As 'line' is a reserved word in Transcript, it's
> better to surround it with quotes to avoid any
> misinterpretation by the compiler. 
> 
> In this case, the compiler thinks you want to set the
> style of the graphic to the _content_ of line XXX of a
> variable or another container, and reports an error as
> itthinks you forgot the rest of the reference. 
> 
> Hope this helped, 
> 
> Jan Schenkel.
=========
The disappearing graphic when style is set to line appears to be a "feature" 
built into the MC engine. On MC 2.4.3, Win XP pro, I tried setting the style 
to "line" of a variety of graphic objects and indeed some of them disappear. 
They display if the style property is set to another value, such as regular. 
The same behavior occurs if a graphic object line is drawn, and then the 
script 

set the style of myGraphic to the style of thelineGraphic 

So, you'll have to evaluate this usage on an object-by-object basis to 
determine if you can use it for your particular app. 

miscdas 



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Fri Feb  7 07:39:01 2003
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Fri Feb  7 07:39:01 2003
Subject: [OT] More French questions
In-Reply-To: <a05200f01ba6940453658@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <20030131123449.58713.qmail@web11906.mail.yahoo.com>
 <p05100300ba602383e5b3@[10.0.1.3]> <3E3A74E4.801@laposte.net>
 <a05200f01ba6940453658@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <p05100300ba69582c0516@[10.0.1.3]>

>Bonjour mes amis,
>
>I am translating a Rev shareware into French and have a question
>concerning month names.
>
>I have a prototype (French translation is about halfway done so far) at
>
>http://www.EZPZapps.com/iB/iBirthdayX.1.4A.sit
>
>I need to know from someone who has a French System
>
>1. Do the month names display correctly in French?
>
>2.  After you click on a day in the calendar does the month display 
>in French in the first field.
>
>
>Merci!
>
>sims


All what is displayed is in English !!!!!

courage et au travail !!!!
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From sims at ezpzapps.com  Fri Feb  7 08:04:01 2003
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Fri Feb  7 08:04:01 2003
Subject: [OT] More French questions
In-Reply-To: <p05100300ba69582c0516@[10.0.1.3]>
References: <20030131123449.58713.qmail@web11906.mail.yahoo.com>
 <p05100300ba602383e5b3@[10.0.1.3]> <3E3A74E4.801@laposte.net>
 <a05200f01ba6940453658@[10.0.1.2]> <p05100300ba69582c0516@[10.0.1.3]>
Message-ID: <a05200f02ba695f8b8ab0@[10.0.1.2]>

>
>All what is displayed is in English !!!!!
>
>courage et au travail !!!!
>--
>Greetings.
>
Yves COPPE

Thank you Yves...back to the drawing board for me.

atb

sims

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From jhurley at infostations.com  Fri Feb  7 08:58:01 2003
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Fri Feb  7 08:58:01 2003
Subject: Setting graphic style to Line
In-Reply-To: <200302070117.UAA21136@www.runrev.com>
References: <200302070117.UAA21136@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05010400ba696a69e17a@[66.81.36.65]>

>Jim Witte wrote:
>
>I tried the script mentioned before on the list:
>
>set the style of the defaultgraphic to line
>create graphic linetohost
>set the points of graphic linetohost to MyVertList
>choose browse tool
>
>but got a " missing '(' " error on the 'set the style..' line.
>
>Thanks,
>Jim
>

Jim,

Try:

set the style  of the templategraphic  to "line"

Jim

P.S. It seems that every Tom, Dick and Harry  is named Jim.
-- 
Jim Hurley


From brad at activadesign.com  Fri Feb  7 08:59:00 2003
From: brad at activadesign.com (Bradley Borch)
Date: Fri Feb  7 08:59:00 2003
Subject: use-revolution digest, Vol 1 #1110 - 15 msgs
In-Reply-To: <200302070117.UAA21136@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C0D870D8-3AA3-11D7-B0DD-000393C824D2@activadesign.com>

>> Can I take the same approach in rev using Flash export (as a QT mov)
>>  and still have some control
>> within the flash animation? I did a test and got mixed results. Any
>> user experiences using rev as a multimedia player with Flash embedded
>> as QT would be most helpful.
>
> What sort of mixed results did you get?

I did another test last night. I've got a flash file exported to QT 
with buttons that show/hide elements of a scrolling animation, and 
another slider button that controls the playing of the animation. Rev 
1.1 is VERY slow recognizing the button presses (up to several seconds 
to respond to mouse down or up), both in authoring and in the 
executable on the Mac, but it does recognize them. Rev 2 beta is quite 
responsive (as responsive as QuickTIme player) in authoring. Didn't try 
in an executable or on the PC. I'll continue testing.

If Rev is able to support QT and I can use some relatively tricky 
animations (replicating movie clips for animated text, etc.) then I'd 
have the best of all worlds -- an elegant development tool and 
sophisticated animation capabilities. Is there anybody else out there 
thinking along these lines and using Rev in this way?

Brad



From kevin at runrev.com  Fri Feb  7 09:52:03 2003
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Fri Feb  7 09:52:03 2003
Subject: using Rev for multimedia (was re: digest)
In-Reply-To: <C0D870D8-3AA3-11D7-B0DD-000393C824D2@activadesign.com>
Message-ID: <BA6977A5.111E5%kevin@runrev.com>

On 7/2/03 1:55 pm, Bradley Borch <brad at activadesign.com> wrote:

>> What sort of mixed results did you get?
> 
> I did another test last night. I've got a flash file exported to QT
> with buttons that show/hide elements of a scrolling animation, and
> another slider button that controls the playing of the animation. Rev
> 1.1 is VERY slow recognizing the button presses (up to several seconds
> to respond to mouse down or up), both in authoring and in the
> executable on the Mac, but it does recognize them. Rev 2 beta is quite
> responsive (as responsive as QuickTIme player) in authoring. Didn't try
> in an executable or on the PC. I'll continue testing.
> 
> If Rev is able to support QT and I can use some relatively tricky
> animations (replicating movie clips for animated text, etc.) then I'd
> have the best of all worlds -- an elegant development tool and
> sophisticated animation capabilities. Is there anybody else out there
> thinking along these lines and using Rev in this way?

And if you can't use Rev for that, particularly if you have any problems
with 2.0, let me know.  The sooner we hear about any problems the better,
there is still time to fix problems in features we have included in 2.0!

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
Tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165.  Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707.



From valetia at mac.com  Fri Feb  7 09:59:01 2003
From: valetia at mac.com (valetia at mac.com)
Date: Fri Feb  7 09:59:01 2003
Subject: Norton Internet Security (NIS) and Post command failure
In-Reply-To: <3E4342B2.9020801@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <BA6A05E8.1EAF9%valetia@mac.com>

Hi Tariel,

Can you confirm that this happens *also* with Revolution standalones, or
does it just happen with MC?

Also, does it only affect POST commands, or also GET?

Valetia



> From: Tariel Gogoberidze <PMDA at earthlink.net>
> Organization: PMDA
> Reply-To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 00:22:58 -0500
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Norton Internet Security (NIS) and Post command failure
> 
> 
> This problem was already mentioned either on this or MC list by Rich Herz
> 
>> There are problems with MC access to internet with Norton
>> Internet Security (NIS) installed on Win XP. NIS must
>> be uninstalled, not merely turned off.
> --
>> NIS on Win 98 seems to be working OK.
>> Rich Herz
> 
> We are also badly hit by this issue.
> Our users with windows XP and NIS installed  can't send post command.
> Sometimes Norton askes for permision to allow MC stanalone to work but
> then blocks it anyway.
> 
> 
> Short of uninstalling (which users hate to do for obvious reasons)
> nothing helps.
> 
> I really hope somebody have a solution for this
> 
> Thanks in advance for suggestions
> Tariel Gogoberidze
> 
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Feb  7 10:17:01 2003
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri Feb  7 10:17:01 2003
Subject: use-revolution digest, Vol 1 #1110 - 15 msgs
In-Reply-To: <22507106-3A44-11D7-8FB8-000393C824D2@activadesign.com>
Message-ID: <ACEELABEAIANJNCEJFMACEOBDEAA.chipp@chipp.com>

Brad,

You might want to check out my convolve and compositing stacks at:

http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Downloads.htm

-Chipp

>BTW, has anybody used 
> the imageSource in any cool ways? That's another thing Dir can't do.
> 



From runrev at technetx.com  Fri Feb  7 14:49:00 2003
From: runrev at technetx.com (runrev at technetx.com)
Date: Fri Feb  7 14:49:00 2003
Subject: Fonts
Message-ID: <000701c2cee1$708f5400$0201a8c0@nh2>

Hi all,

In the rev environment, the button fonts within ask boxes or answer boxes
look fine (ie... the OK or Cancel), but when I build, they get all large and
uncentered both up down and side to side.  Any suggestions?

Thanks,
Ron



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  7 15:05:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Fri Feb  7 15:05:01 2003
Subject: Fonts
In-Reply-To: <000701c2cee1$708f5400$0201a8c0@nh2>
Message-ID: <20030207200027.28548.qmail@web11905.mail.yahoo.com>

--- runrev at technetx.com wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> In the rev environment, the button fonts within ask
> boxes or answer boxes
> look fine (ie... the OK or Cancel), but when I
> build, they get all large and
> uncentered both up down and side to side.  Any
> suggestions?
> 
> Thanks,
> Ron
> 

Hi Ron,

My best guess is that they inherit the font settings
of the main stack. What happens if you include the Rev
IDE font settings at build time?

Jan Schenkel.

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From alrice at ARCplanning.com  Fri Feb  7 15:06:02 2003
From: alrice at ARCplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Fri Feb  7 15:06:02 2003
Subject: My 2 bits on pre-beta
In-Reply-To: <04251B9E-3A25-11D7-8F5B-000393BF0854@bloomington.in.us>
Message-ID: <0859F76C-3AD7-11D7-8E43-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>

My 2-more-bits on the pre-beta: bring back the tree-view in the 
Application overview!

On Thursday, February 6, 2003, at 03:47  PM, Jim Witte wrote:
> ...
>  I like InterfaceBuilder.. (being able to import Nibs would be great 
> too, but that might be too much to ask, unless someone can put me in 
> touch with the nib file format..)

Nib files (user interface archives on OS X) are a directory bundle with 
textual property list and archived objects. A Cocoa application would 
be required to unarchive the objects in the nib and make them into 
something Rev could use. Translating a nib file into something Rev 
could use would be very difficult.

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Fri Feb  7 15:34:01 2003
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (Ludovic Th=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=E9?=bault)
Date: Fri Feb  7 15:34:01 2003
Subject: [OT] More French questions
In-Reply-To: <a05200f01ba6940453658@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <20030131123449.58713.qmail@web11906.mail.yahoo.com>
	<p05100300ba602383e5b3@[10.0.1.3]>
	<3E3A74E4.801@laposte.net>
	<a05200f01ba6940453658@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <20030207212651.6D18C4%00000000@laposte.net>

sims wrote:
>
>I need to know from someone who has a French System
>
>1. Do the month names display correctly in French?

No. Month names are in english

>2.  After you click on a day in the calendar does the month display 
>in French in the first field.

Yes.


From sims at ezpzapps.com  Fri Feb  7 16:01:01 2003
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Fri Feb  7 16:01:01 2003
Subject: [OT] More French questions
In-Reply-To: <20030207212651.6D18C4%00000000@laposte.net>
References: <20030131123449.58713.qmail@web11906.mail.yahoo.com>
 <p05100300ba602383e5b3@[10.0.1.3]>	<3E3A74E4.801@laposte.net>
 <a05200f01ba6940453658@[10.0.1.2]>
 <20030207212651.6D18C4%00000000@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <a05200f04ba69cdc35935@[10.0.1.2]>

>sims wrote:
>>
>>I need to know from someone who has a French System
>>
>>1. Do the month names display correctly in French?
>
>No. Month names are in english
>
>>2.  After you click on a day in the calendar does the month display
>>in French in the first field.
>
>Yes.

Well! That is most encouraging, thank you Ludovic!

Bon! Merci beaucoup or as they say in Gozo, Tajjeb! Grazzi hafna!

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From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Fri Feb  7 16:37:01 2003
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (Ludovic Th=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=E9?=bault)
Date: Fri Feb  7 16:37:01 2003
Subject: [OT] More French questions
In-Reply-To: <a05200f04ba69cdc35935@[10.0.1.2]>
References: <20030131123449.58713.qmail@web11906.mail.yahoo.com>
	<p05100300ba602383e5b3@[10.0.1.3]>
	<3E3A74E4.801@laposte.net>
	<a05200f01ba6940453658@[10.0.1.2]>
	<20030207212651.6D18C4%00000000@laposte.net>
	<a05200f04ba69cdc35935@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <20030207222947.708DE2%00000000@laposte.net>

sims wrote:
>>>2.  After you click on a day in the calendar does the month display
>>>in French in the first field.
>>
>>Yes.
>
>Well! That is most encouraging, thank you Ludovic!

For me the first field is the field inside the calendar.
Two others field with the month name are in english.


From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  7 17:21:01 2003
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (erik hansen)
Date: Fri Feb  7 17:21:01 2003
Subject: home stack
In-Reply-To: <20030207084110.61365.qmail@web11907.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030207221642.84896.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:

thanks, this makes it simple.

> insert the script of stack "Foobar" into back
> From then on, messages, handlers and functions
> travel 'through' this script as well.

is it possible to put 

on startup
   insert the script of stack "Foobar" into back
   open stack "aa"
   ...
end startup

somewhere so that startup is activated when you
click on the Revolution app icon in Finder?
that would be convenient!

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From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Fri Feb  7 17:38:01 2003
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Fri Feb  7 17:38:01 2003
Subject: Finding the CD Drive
In-Reply-To: <000001c2ce85$f1c113d0$0e00000a@server>
Message-ID: <FLEGJBMJADGKMCHIMFOHGEFMCOAA.monte@sweattechnologies.com>


That's it

Thankyou
>
>
> The method I've used in the past is to get a volume list -
> volumes() and use
> a repeat loop to search for a 'unique' file eg x:\monte456 which
> would only
> exist on the CD. When you've found the file, you've found your 'active' CD
> volume.
>
> I've searched the archives for a better solution but can't find one.
>
> Regards
>
> Gary Rathbone
>
>
> > Does anyone have a function to find the name or names of the
> > CD drives on a users system. My app won't be on the CD but it
> > needs to read a file from the CD without user intervention.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Monte Goulding
> > B.App.Sc. (Hons.)
> >
> > Executive Director
> > Sweat Technologies
> >
> > email: monte at sweattechnologies.com
> > website: www.sweattechnologies.com
> > mobile (International): +61 421 138 274
> >        (Australia): 0421 138 274
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-> revolution
> >
>
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From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  7 17:40:01 2003
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (erik hansen)
Date: Fri Feb  7 17:40:01 2003
Subject: Find in just the handler list?
In-Reply-To: <A489EDA4-3319-11D7-BE28-000393AD9396@pixelmedia.com.au>
Message-ID: <20030207223611.23886.qmail@web20006.mail.yahoo.com>

Find in just the handler list?

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From bvg at mac.com  Fri Feb  7 19:44:01 2003
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Fri Feb  7 19:44:01 2003
Subject: home stack
In-Reply-To: <20030207221642.84896.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CE0682A8-3AFD-11D7-8C7E-003065AD94A4@mac.com>

Actually, "startup" is a valid message which gets send to your 
application when it... starts up!  o_O
If you want to use it in the stack (not builded), then you might want 
to use "openStack" or "preopenStack" instead. (or "preopenCard", or 
"preopenBackground" what ever fits your need best :-] )


On Freitag, Feb 7, 2003, at 23:16 Europe/Zurich, erik hansen wrote:

>
> --- Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> thanks, this makes it simple.
>
>> insert the script of stack "Foobar" into back
>> From then on, messages, handlers and functions
>> travel 'through' this script as well.
>
> is it possible to put
>
> on startup
>    insert the script of stack "Foobar" into back
>    open stack "aa"
>    ...
> end startup
>
> somewhere so that startup is activated when you
> click on the Revolution app icon in Finder?
> that would be convenient!
>
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From mailjjt at bellsouth.net  Fri Feb  7 20:24:01 2003
From: mailjjt at bellsouth.net (John J. Theobald)
Date: Fri Feb  7 20:24:01 2003
Subject: Showing/Hiding Images on mouseLeave... 
Message-ID: <3E445B6F.6050804@bellsouth.net>

Igor de Oliveira Couto wrote some time ago:


> Dear Revolution Masters,
> 
> I'm trying to implement a simple button that should use 3 different 
> images: 'idle', 'over' (when the cursor in on top of the button), and 
> 'down' (when  the mouse is down on the button).
> 
> Because the shape of the button is irregular, and I want the 
> transparent bits to be ignored for mouse events, rather than specifying 
> the images as icons in a button control, I used IMAGES. My idea was to 
> setup the 3 images on a card, on top of each other, and simply 
> show/hide each one in response to the appropriate mouse events.
> 
> So I started by putting the 'idle' image on the card, and then the 
> 'over' image on top of that, making sure the 'loc' properties of both 
> was exactly the same (ie, they were exactly on top of each other). Each 
> picture is exactly the same as the other, just using different 
> colours... Now, I went into the scrip of the 'idle' picture, and typed:
> 
> on mouseEnter
> 	show image "over"
> 	hide me
> end mouseEnter
> 
> Then, I went into the script of the 'over' image, and did the opposite:
> 
> on mouseLeave
> 	show image "idle"
> 	hide me
> end mouseLeave
> 
> Now, what is happening when I use the browse tool is a bit of a puzzle: 
> it goes like this:
> The card is displaying the 'idle' image. I move the cursor into the 
> image, and presto, I see the 'over' image. I also know that the 'idle' 
> image HAS been hidden - I can check with the message box...
> Now, I slowly move the cursor OUTSIDE the image, and... nothing. The 
> 'over' image behaves as if it has NOT received the 'mouseLeave' 
> message...
> I move the cursor back onto the 'over' image, and move it back out - 
> now for the second time - and, presto, it works: it hides the 'over' 
> image and shows the 'idle' image.
> The crunch of the matter is: I have to 'leave' the image TWICE for it 
> to work... EVERYTIME!
> 
> All I can deduct is that for some reason, the first time the mouse 
> leaves the 'over' image, no 'mouseLeave' message is being sent to it! 
> Only after the cursor has re-entered the image, and then proceeds to 
> leave again, does it work...
> 
> Am I missing something embarrassingly simple? Did I not read the 
> documentation properly? Is this a behaviour that others have noticed? 
> Is it a bug?
> 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated!
> 
> Kind Regards,
> --
> Igor de Oliveira Couto
> ----------------------------------
> igor at pixelmedia.com.au
> ----------------------------------
> 


Igor,

I ran into this problem on MC 2.4.3 while developing.  I searched the 
archives and saw your posting along with numerous responses but no clear 
solution.

Here is how I solved the problem, for those that may (or may not) be 
interested.  I chased the problem like many others by trying to get the 
button to do what I wanted on the mouseLeave.  Then it occured to me, if 
  I am leaving one object, I must be entering another so...

I simply put a transparent graphic behind my "freeform" shaped button. 
This graphic extends beyond the borders of my button. I then put this 
handler in the graphic.

on mouseEnter
   put image "normalstate" into image "goback"
end mouseEnter


"goback" is the name of my "freeform" button, "normalstate" is the image 
I want displayed when I do a mouseLeave.  Since leaving the button does 
not generate a mouseLeave (as you discovered), entering the transparent 
graphic DOES generate a mouseEnter and the opportunity to change the 
graphic.  You could, of course, reference a file, imagedata (and 
maskdata if needed),or just a hidden image as I do.  All of which were 
recently discussed in another thread.

Sorry if this is old news, but since I did not see a solution posted, I 
thought I would pipe up.

Regards,

John Theobald





From herz at ucsd.edu  Fri Feb  7 20:50:06 2003
From: herz at ucsd.edu (Richard K. Herz)
Date: Fri Feb  7 20:50:06 2003
Subject: Norton Internet Security (NIS) and Post command failure
References: <200302071701.MAA08875@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <002b01c2cf13$e6257d20$58bfef84@rkhpc1>

Good news.  Norton Internet Security 2002 (NIS) now seems to work OK with
the latest version of MetaCard (2.5 Beta 4) under Win XP Pro with the latest
XP service pack installed (posted sometime between Tuesday night and this
morning, Friday).  I just reinstalled NIS today to do this testing and so
can't tell you at what MC version or XP service pack that things started
working.  Disclaimer: I'm not an expert on these matters and there are so
many combinations of settings, many of which I haven't tried, that "seems to
work" is the best I can say.

Rich Herz

> Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 00:55:04 +1000
> Subject: Re: Norton Internet Security (NIS) and Post command failure
> From: "valetia at mac.com" <valetia at mac.com>
> To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Reply-To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>
> Hi Tariel,
>
> Can you confirm that this happens *also* with Revolution standalones, or
> does it just happen with MC?
>
> Also, does it only affect POST commands, or also GET?
>
> Valetia
>
>
>
> > From: Tariel Gogoberidze <PMDA at earthlink.net>
> > Organization: PMDA
> > Reply-To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 00:22:58 -0500
> > To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Subject: Norton Internet Security (NIS) and Post command failure
> >
> >
> > This problem was already mentioned either on this or MC list by Rich
Herz
> >
> >> There are problems with MC access to internet with Norton
> >> Internet Security (NIS) installed on Win XP. NIS must
> >> be uninstalled, not merely turned off.
> > --
> >> NIS on Win 98 seems to be working OK.
> >> Rich Herz
> >
> > We are also badly hit by this issue.
> > Our users with windows XP and NIS installed  can't send post command.
> > Sometimes Norton askes for permision to allow MC stanalone to work but
> > then blocks it anyway.
> >
> >
> > Short of uninstalling (which users hate to do for obvious reasons)
> > nothing helps.
> >
> > I really hope somebody have a solution for this
> >
> > Thanks in advance for suggestions
> > Tariel Gogoberidze




From PMDA at earthlink.net  Fri Feb  7 22:17:01 2003
From: PMDA at earthlink.net (Tariel Gogoberidze)
Date: Fri Feb  7 22:17:01 2003
Subject: Norton Internet Security (NIS) and Post command failure
References: <200302071701.MAA08894@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3E447592.3010700@earthlink.net>


 > Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 00:55:04 +1000
 > Subject: Re: Norton Internet Security (NIS) and Post command failure
 > From: "valetia at mac.com" <valetia at mac.com>
 >
 > Hi Tariel,
 >
 > Can you confirm that this happens *also* with Revolution standalones,
 > or does it just happen with MC?
 >
 > Also, does it only affect POST commands, or also GET?
 >
 > Valetia
 >
 >> There are problems with MC access to internet with Norton
 >> Internet Security (NIS) installed on Win XP. NIS must
 >> be uninstalled, not merely turned off.

 >> Our users with windows XP and NIS installed  can't send post
 >> command. Sometimes Norton asks for permission to allow MC
 >> standalone to work but then blocks it anyway.


I guess I can confirm it indirectly.
It affects post/get commands of MC v. 2.3.2 through 2.4.3 with latest 
libUrl 1.0.8b1. The same thing if we are using our own Post handler 
bypassing LibUrl

MC v 2.3.2 engine = Rev 1.1.1 engine
MC v 2.4.x - 2.5 engine = Rev v 2.0 engine
Both are using same libUrl.

So, logically it must affect Rev as well

According to Rich Herz...

 >The problem I've seen is:  after 1st
 >socket of session times out, 2nd socket connection attempt fails, 
 >although after wait of approx. 7 minutes with MetaCard (v. 2.4.3,
 >libUrl 1.0.8b1) still open, a second connection can be made.

I understand that this problem must be addressed to Symantec rather than 
to MC or Rev teams, but I posted it here in hope that somebody have a 
workaround to this problem that allows to disable NIS or "teach" it to 
ignore libUrl calls.

I don't have computer with win XP and NIS to research this but our users 
with this config can't connect for sure. They tried to disable NIS but 
this doesn't help. Only uninstalling solves the problem

Below are some extracts from user feedback

 > I had actually "disabled" (or so I thought), these services.
 > But when I went to see my processes running,
 > I saw NISSERV.EXE. I manually removed this and a few other NIS
 > files and renamed the *.exe files in the Norton Internet Security
 > Directory. After this everything began to work fine
--
 > I also discovered that after disabling and ending some
 > of the processes, if you restart, NIS restarts the processes again
 > and there is no way to stop it from doing that, short of a complete
 > uninstall. It is necessary to disable NIS and turn off all NIS
 > processes manually every time you want to use program.
 > additionally,  my copy of NIS came bundled with Norton
< AntiVirus, (with the computer}, so I had to disable both to
 > truly disable NIS, leaving me with no a/v protection at all while I
 > was online with the program.

That's all I currently know about this issue

Best Regards
Tariel Gogoberidze



From themacguy at macosx.com  Fri Feb  7 22:37:01 2003
From: themacguy at macosx.com (Barry Levine)
Date: Fri Feb  7 22:37:01 2003
Subject: Rev2.0 alpha
Message-ID: <01043EEC-3B16-11D7-8316-000393AAEF66@macosx.com>

DL'd and played with the Rev2.0 alpha today.

Whew! I'll let those in charge of whipping that bad boy into shape take 
as much time as they need! Release no software before its time.

Barry



From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb  7 23:26:02 2003
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (erik hansen)
Date: Fri Feb  7 23:26:02 2003
Subject: Showing/Hiding Images on mouseLeave... 
In-Reply-To: <3E445B6F.6050804@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <20030208042205.37308.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com>

> I simply put a transparent graphic behind my
> "freeform" shaped button. 
> This graphic extends beyond the borders of my
> button. I then put this handler in the graphic.
> 
> on mouseEnter
>    put image "normalstate" into image "goback"
> end mouseEnter
> 
> "goback" is the name of my "freeform" button,
> "normalstate" is the image 
> I want displayed when I do a mouseLeave.  Since
> leaving the button does 
> not generate a mouseLeave (as you discovered),
> entering the transparent 
> graphic DOES generate a mouseEnter and the
> opportunity to change the 
> graphic.

if the mouse enters the transparent graphic from
the card, NOT from freeform btn "goback"?

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From brad at activadesign.com  Fri Feb  7 23:30:01 2003
From: brad at activadesign.com (Bradley Borch)
Date: Fri Feb  7 23:30:01 2003
Subject: Flash integration
In-Reply-To: <200302071702.MAA08915@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <685FB851-3B1D-11D7-BC8F-000393C824D2@activadesign.com>

Flash is capable of sending messages to other programs using two 
commands: getURL and FScommand. I've gotten both of these to work 
within JavaScript and Director using Lingo. Any idea how to send 
commands from Flash to Rev?

Brad


Regards,

Bradley S. Borch

Activa Digital Media Design
5 Pine Point Road
Hope, Maine 04847

207-763-4474
brad at activadesign.com
http://www.activadesign.com



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Fri Feb  7 23:48:02 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Fri Feb  7 23:48:02 2003
Subject: More about images
In-Reply-To: <200302061040.FAA29936@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA69CFDB.6BC1%pixelbird@interisland.net>

**********
Hi Jan,
----------
> Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 01:29:38 -0800 (PST)
> From: Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: More about images

>> I'd rather write a
>> simple routine that will do the same as it does in
>> HC with Uli's xDraw: Draw
>> corresponding button rects of the DOWN state image.
----------
See what I need the screen to draw? The main image looks like a computer
keyboard with all the keys in the UP position, and has 76 transparent
buttons over the "key" simulations in the image. When you move the cursor
over a "key" and press the mouse, you are sending a mouseDown to the
transparent button. In my HC version, this simulates a "key" press by using
the rect of the button to display _only_ that same _portion_ of the
DOWN-state image which is in memory. The basic call (just for the display,
not other actions) with the XCMD in HC looks like this:

on theKey
  GLOBAL gBgGW_id
  lock screen
  get xGWorld( "lock",gBgGW_id )
  get xGWorld( "draw",gBgGW_id,rect of the target, rect of the target, the
id of card window )
  get xGWorld( "unlock",gBgGW_id )
  play "kyDnSnd"
  wait until the mouse is up
  unlock screen -- redraw screen when mouse is released
  play "kyUpSnd"
end theKey

...It performs a kind of cookie cutter thing: displays a rect of a matching
_portion_ of the DOWN image over the same position of the Up image.
---------- 
> Hi Ken,
> 
> Try this scenario:
> - group the "Down" image (yes, just the one image)
> - set the rect of the group to the rect you want to
> display every time
----------
If I understand you correctly, I think that will resize the whole image, and
we'll end up with a miniature of the whole keyboard, won't it?
----------
> - set the lockLocation of the group to true
> - hide the group
> Then when you need to display:
> - set the hScroll of group "DOWN" to X
> - set the vScroll of group "DOWN" to Y
> - show group "DOWN"
----------
That will scroll the whole grouped DOWN image somewhere...won't work either.
---------- 
> That ought to do the trick.
----------
Thanks for trying. Maybe I just don't fully understand what happens if you
group the image. It has to be in a background behavior thing anyway.

Ken N.




From mailjjt at bellsouth.net  Fri Feb  7 23:51:01 2003
From: mailjjt at bellsouth.net (John J. Theobald)
Date: Fri Feb  7 23:51:01 2003
Subject: Showing/Hiding Images on mouseLeave...
References: <20030208042205.37308.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3E448C35.2060300@bellsouth.net>

erik hansen wrote:

>>I simply put a transparent graphic behind my
>>"freeform" shaped button. 
>>This graphic extends beyond the borders of my
>>button. I then put this handler in the graphic.
>>
>>on mouseEnter
>>   put image "normalstate" into image "goback"
>>end mouseEnter
>>
>>"goback" is the name of my "freeform" button,
>>"normalstate" is the image 
>>I want displayed when I do a mouseLeave.  Since
>>leaving the button does 
>>not generate a mouseLeave (as you discovered),
>>entering the transparent 
>>graphic DOES generate a mouseEnter and the
>>opportunity to change the 
>>graphic.
>>
> 
> if the mouse enters the transparent graphic from
> the card, NOT from freeform btn "goback"?
> 
> =====
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When the mouse enters the transparent graphic from the card, it 
naturally sends the same "put" to the freeform button.  But, the 
"normalstate" is what already exists, so it does a "put" that is not 
needed. In my case I use imported images, so it is a memory copy, no 
disk I/O. IMHO this is negligible overhead while accomplishing the 
desired result.  If you wanted to eliminate the "put", just check the 
state of the image.  Either way, the handler has to do some processing.

John Theobald



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  8 01:59:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Sat Feb  8 01:59:01 2003
Subject: More about images
In-Reply-To: <BA69CFDB.6BC1%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <20030208065431.85239.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "Ken Norris (dialup)" <pixelbird at interisland.net>
wrote:
> [snip]
> ----------
> Thanks for trying. Maybe I just don't fully
> understand what happens if you
> group the image. It has to be in a background
> behavior thing anyway.
> 
> Ken N.
> 

Hi Ken,

Let's see if I got this right:
- there's one large image with all the keys in their
"DOWN" position
- and you only want to show a small portion of this
image, at a specific place on the card

If that's correct, the solution I described ought to
work properly:
- when you resize a group, this doesn't resize its
contents but rather, it acts as a window, only showing
the part of its contents you want to display.
- you'll have to set its lockLocation to true, or it
will resize the first chance it gets ; and you'll have
to set the rect of the group to the size of what you
want to display.
- then you can control which part of all that's in the
group is displayed, by controlling the hScroll and
vScroll properties of the group.
- if you need to display it at different positions on
the card, set the topLeft property of the group ; this
has no effect on the displayed part of the group.

The easiest way to test this is to create a stack ;
toss a few buttons and fields on ; group the controls
; add vertical and horizontal scrollbars to the group
; resize the group ; lock its location ; and scroll
away :-)

Hope this cleared a few things up,

Jan Schenkel.

PS: don't forget to keep an eye on the group 'margins'
property, as otherwise you could get some side-effects
while scrolling.

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From terry at discovery.nl  Sat Feb  8 05:14:01 2003
From: terry at discovery.nl (Terry Vogelaar)
Date: Sat Feb  8 05:14:01 2003
Subject: Flash integration
In-Reply-To: <685FB851-3B1D-11D7-BC8F-000393C824D2@activadesign.com>
Message-ID: <6BEE5DA1-3B4D-11D7-B652-0030656FD666@discovery.nl>

Bradley Borch heeft op zaterdag, 8 feb 2003 om 05:25 het volgende 
geschreven:

> Flash is capable of sending messages to other programs using two 
> commands: getURL and FScommand. I've gotten both of these to work 
> within JavaScript and Director using Lingo. Any idea how to send 
> commands from Flash to Rev?

You can run RR on a server as CGI engine and let Flash send its 
commands to that CGI script.

I'm afraid tighter integration between Flash and RunRev is just as 
impossible as a relationship between miscdas and Judy Perry :-)

Terry



From gary.rathbone at btclick.com  Sat Feb  8 06:31:02 2003
From: gary.rathbone at btclick.com (Gary Rathbone)
Date: Sat Feb  8 06:31:02 2003
Subject: Flash integration
In-Reply-To: <6BEE5DA1-3B4D-11D7-B652-0030656FD666@discovery.nl>
Message-ID: <001001c2cf64$f7087100$0e00000a@server>

 > > Flash is capable of sending messages to other programs using two
> > commands: getURL and FScommand. I've gotten both of these to work 
> > within JavaScript and Director using Lingo. Any idea how to send 
> > commands from Flash to Rev?
> 
> You can run RR on a server as CGI engine and let Flash send its 
> commands to that CGI script.
> 
> I'm afraid tighter integration between Flash and RunRev is just as 
> impossible as a relationship between miscdas and Judy Perry :-)
> 
> Terry


If Flash can send a getURL command then I don't see why Flash and Rev can't
talk quite happily. I'm no Flash expert will will have a play around and get
back to you...

Regards

Gary Rathbone




From valetia at mac.com  Sat Feb  8 07:32:01 2003
From: valetia at mac.com (valetia at mac.com)
Date: Sat Feb  8 07:32:01 2003
Subject: get URL "http://" not working with faceless CGI's
In-Reply-To: <685FB851-3B1D-11D7-BC8F-000393C824D2@activadesign.com>
Message-ID: <BA6B348F.1EC2F%valetia@mac.com>

Does anyone know how to get it working?

Valetia



From k_major at os.surf2000.de  Sat Feb  8 07:41:01 2003
From: k_major at os.surf2000.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sat Feb  8 07:41:01 2003
Subject: Flash integration
In-Reply-To: <6BEE5DA1-3B4D-11D7-B652-0030656FD666@discovery.nl>
Message-ID: <1A06F7DA-3B62-11D7-8A8B-000A27B49A96@os.surf2000.de>

Hi Bradley, hi Terry,

> Bradley Borch heeft op zaterdag, 8 feb 2003 om 05:25 het volgende 
> geschreven:
>
>> Flash is capable of sending messages to other programs using two 
>> commands:
>> getURL and FScommand. I've gotten both of these to work within 
>> JavaScript and
>> Director using Lingo. Any idea how to send commands from Flash to Rev?
>
> You can run RR on a server as CGI engine and let Flash send its 
> commands to that CGI script.
>
> I'm afraid tighter integration between Flash and RunRev is just as 
> impossible as a relationship between miscdas and Judy Perry :-)

ROFL :-D


There is a possibility to communicate from Flash to MC.

Via QuickTime and using another tool, some QuickTime
authoring tool like LiveSTage Pro...

There you can add a command to a QT/Flash-object that
will send a string "qtdebugstring" that can be trapped in MC.

A script like this in the player-object:

on qtdebugstr thestring
   switch thestring
     case "aaa"
        your_handler_here  ## define these handlers somewhere
      break
  ...
end qtdebugstr

Works fine, but needs another tool.

I am not sure if this feature is available in Flash itself.

> Terry

Hope this helps a bit.


Regards

Klaus Major
k_major at os.surf2000.de



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  8 07:56:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Sat Feb  8 07:56:01 2003
Subject: get URL "http://" not working with faceless CGI's
In-Reply-To: <BA6B348F.1EC2F%valetia@mac.com>
Message-ID: <20030208125207.24655.qmail@web11906.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "valetia at mac.com" <valetia at mac.com> wrote:
> Does anyone know how to get it working?
> 
> Valetia
> 

The reason why this doesn't work, is that the current
cgi-server doesn't load any of the RunRev libraries --
neither the libURL library, nor the revdb library ;
it's just the MetaCard engine, basically.
The word is that RunRev 2.0 will sport a new
cgi-engine, which will have all the libraries loaded
at startup, so your cgi-scripts can use them.
In the meantime, you should be able to achieve what
you want by adding a line 
  start using stack "libURL"
at the start of your cgi-script.

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

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From jhurley at infostations.com  Sat Feb  8 08:09:00 2003
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Sat Feb  8 08:09:00 2003
Subject: Home stack
In-Reply-To: <200302080427.XAA20597@www.runrev.com>
References: <200302080427.XAA20597@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05010406ba6aab8ee55a@[66.81.34.24]>

>
>Message: 7
>Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 14:16:42 -0800 (PST)
>From: erik hansen <erikhans08 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: home stack
>To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>Reply-To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>
>
>--- Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>thanks, this makes it simple.
>
>>  insert the script of stack "Foobar" into back
>>  From then on, messages, handlers and functions
>>  travel 'through' this script as well.
>
>is it possible to put
>
>on startup
>    insert the script of stack "Foobar" into back
>    open stack "aa"
>    ...
>end startup
>
>somewhere so that startup is activated when you
>click on the Revolution app icon in Finder?
>that would be convenient!
>
>=====
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Eric,

A minor addendum to Jan's suggestion. The following ritual works for 
me--employing a suggestion from Jeanne. Put the stack that is to 
masquerade as a home stack into the plug-in folder. Include in the 
stack script:

on openStack
   insert the script of  me into back
   hide stack "MyPlugIn"
end openStack

After opening the current stack of interest I go to the 
Development/Plugins menu and select MyPlugIn. And there is the plugin 
acting as background home stack, out of sight and (lurking 
dangerously) out of mind. All relatively painless and, Jeanne tells 
us, to become more so in 2.0.

I wonder if it would work as well to load the plugin before all other 
stacks. Would its scripts then be available to all other loaded 
subsequently? I am unclear of exactly what the plugin would be in 
back of.

When you say: "insert the script of stack "myStack" into back" are 
those scripts then available only to  the stack from which they were 
inserted, to  all open stacks, to all stacks open subsequently, to 
attacks from al queda?

Theorem: All answers raise questions.

Jim





From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  8 08:47:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Sat Feb  8 08:47:01 2003
Subject: Home stack
In-Reply-To: <a05010406ba6aab8ee55a@[66.81.34.24]>
Message-ID: <20030208134243.28710.qmail@web11906.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Jim Hurley <jhurley at infostations.com> wrote:
> [snip]
> 
> Eric,
> 
> A minor addendum to Jan's suggestion. The following
> ritual works for 
> me--employing a suggestion from Jeanne. Put the
> stack that is to 
> masquerade as a home stack into the plug-in folder.
> Include in the 
> stack script:
> 
> on openStack
>    insert the script of  me into back
>    hide stack "MyPlugIn"
> end openStack
> 
> After opening the current stack of interest I go to
> the 
> Development/Plugins menu and select MyPlugIn. And
> there is the plugin 
> acting as background home stack, out of sight and
> (lurking 
> dangerously) out of mind. All relatively painless
> and, Jeanne tells 
> us, to become more so in 2.0.
> 
> I wonder if it would work as well to load the plugin
> before all other 
> stacks. Would its scripts then be available to all
> other loaded 
> subsequently? I am unclear of exactly what the
> plugin would be in 
> back of.
> 
> When you say: "insert the script of stack "myStack"
> into back" are 
> those scripts then available only to  the stack from
> which they were 
> inserted, to  all open stacks, to all stacks open
> subsequently, to 
> attacks from al queda?
> 
> Theorem: All answers raise questions.
> 
> Jim
> 

Hi Jim,

You are right, that is a wonderful side-effect of the
RunRev plug-in architecture. More on that in a later
post.
Now, to answer your question regarding availability:
the scripts inserted into back, sit in between the
stacksInUse and the engine, in a specific order.
So their handlers and functions are available to all
other scripts (except the ones 'behind' them), and
stay that way until you 'remove' the script again.

One possible use of the specific order in which these
scripts are inserted, is for distributing patches :
Suppose you have a standalone with substack 'Foobar',
whose script is inserted into back at startup. then
you have another script, which checks for the
availability of a 'patch' stack, downloads it, and
inserts its script into back.
There it ends up, a bit surprisingly at first,
_before_ the original script in the message path. Of
course this means that the 'patch' gets the messages
first, and can fix the flawed handler, without you
having to redistribute the app or keep substacks in a
separate folder, to have them replaced in whole at
update time.

When you use either fronstScripts or backScripts, it
is very important to keep track of which messages you
trap at which time, and where you insert and remove
the scripts, as things can get messy if you're not
careful, and you can render the environment
inoperable.
Nevertheless, a very welcome addition by the MetaCard
people to the old 'stacksInUse' that was pioneered by
HyperCard.

Hope this helped someone in their scripting efforts,

Jan Schenkel.

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From valetia at mac.com  Sat Feb  8 09:35:00 2003
From: valetia at mac.com (valetia at mac.com)
Date: Sat Feb  8 09:35:00 2003
Subject: get URL "http://" not working with faceless CGI's
In-Reply-To: <20030208125207.24655.qmail@web11906.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BA6B5198.1EC4A%valetia@mac.com>

Hi Jan,

> In the meantime, you should be able to achieve what
> you want by adding a line
> start using stack "libURL"
> at the start of your cgi-script.

Hmm, tried that and it still doesn't work (I get an internal server error
the moment that line is inserted)...

Valetia



From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Sat Feb  8 10:10:01 2003
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Sat Feb  8 10:10:01 2003
Subject: get URL "http://" not working with faceless CGI's
In-Reply-To: <BA6B5198.1EC4A%valetia@mac.com>
References: <BA6B5198.1EC4A%valetia@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p05200f01ba6ac8ca9b70@[192.168.123.3]>

At 12:30 am +1000 9/2/03, valetia at mac.com wrote:
>Hi Jan,
>
>>  In the meantime, you should be able to achieve what
>>  you want by adding a line
>>  start using stack "libURL"
>>  at the start of your cgi-script.
>
>Hmm, tried that and it still doesn't work (I get an internal server error
>the moment that line is inserted)...

The problem is that there is no stack "libUrl" for your script to 
access. (Jan, were you using the Metacard side of your brain? :))

To make a libUrl stack from within Rev, you could do this.

Create a new mainstack and name it myLibUrl (or whatever) and save it 
as myLibUrl.rev.

In a button, put the following script (take care of wrapping in mail):

on mouseUp
   set the script of  stack "myLibUrl" to the script of button "revlibUrl" \
        of stack "revLibrary"
   set the customproperties of stack "myLibUrl" to the customproperties  \
        of button "revlibUrl" of stack "revLibrary"
   set the customProperties["cFtpGoodCodes"]  of stack "myLibUrl" to \
        the customProperties["cFtpGoodCodes"]  \
            of button "revlibUrl" of stack  "revLibrary"
    save stack "myLibUrl"
end mouseUp

I've never done the next bit, but I understand it works. (Someone 
please tell us if I'm wrong.)

Place the myLibUrl stack in the same location as your cgi script. 
Near the top of your cgi script, put the line:

start using stack "myLibUrl.rev"

Cheers
Dave


From valetia at mac.com  Sat Feb  8 10:47:01 2003
From: valetia at mac.com (valetia at mac.com)
Date: Sat Feb  8 10:47:01 2003
Subject: get URL "http://" not working with faceless CGI's
In-Reply-To: <p05200f01ba6ac8ca9b70@[192.168.123.3]>
Message-ID: <BA6B62B1.1EC62%valetia@mac.com>

> Place the myLibUrl stack in the same location as your cgi script.
> Near the top of your cgi script, put the line:
> start using stack "myLibUrl.rev"

Thanks Dave, that works!

Thanks Jan for your time too. :-)

Valetia





From zelston at aol.com  Sat Feb  8 22:42:01 2003
From: zelston at aol.com (Zac Elston)
Date: Sat Feb  8 22:42:01 2003
Subject: stackrect vs screenrect
In-Reply-To: <200302081549.KAA29735@www.runrev.com>
References: <200302081549.KAA29735@www.runrev.com>
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From mailjjt at bellsouth.net  Sat Feb  8 23:18:01 2003
From: mailjjt at bellsouth.net (John J. Theobald)
Date: Sat Feb  8 23:18:01 2003
Subject: Showing/Hiding Images on mouseLeave... IMPROVED
Message-ID: <3E45D601.9090302@bellsouth.net>

 > John J. Theobald wrote:
 >
 > erik hansen wrote:
 >
 > I simply put a transparent graphic behind my "freeform" shaped
 > button. This graphic extends beyond the borders of my button. I
 > then put this handler in the graphic.
 >
 > on mouseEnter put image "normalstate" into image "goback" end
 > mouseEnter
 >
 > "goback" is the name of my "freeform" button, "normalstate" is the
 > image I want displayed when I do a mouseLeave.  Since leaving the
 > button does not generate a mouseLeave (as you discovered), entering
 >  the transparent graphic DOES generate a mouseEnter and the opportunity
 >  to change the graphic.
 >
 >
 > if the mouse enters the transparent graphic from the card, NOT from
 > freeform btn "goback"?
 >
 > ===== erik at erikhansen.org    http://www.erikhansen.org
 >
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 >
 >
 >
 > When the mouse enters the transparent graphic from the card, it
 > naturally sends the same "put" to the freeform button.  But, the
 > "normalstate" is what already exists, so it does a "put" that is
 > not needed. In my case I use imported images, so it is a memory
 > copy, no disk I/O. IMHO this is negligible overhead while
 > accomplishing the desired result.  If you wanted to eliminate the
 > "put", just check the state of the image.  Either way, the handler
 > has to do some processing.
 >
 > John Theobald
 >
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 >
 >

Upon further experimentation, I found I did not like the solution I 
provided above because very fast mouse movements over the freeform 
graphic could potentially leave it in an undesireable "state".  I 
imagine this is due to the system mouse polling and it's inability to 
trap events under very fast movement and missing the mouseEnter on my 
surrogate graphic.

So, I decided to write my own "mouseLeave" handler called checkMe for 
the freeform button that is 100% consistent and accurate and involves no 
surrogate graphics.  I submit it as an improved and IMO more elegant 
solution to the mouseLeave issue. Any enhancement suggestions welcomed.

####################################################################
on mouseEnter
  put image "activestate" into me
  send checkMe to me in 10 ticks  # Check the mouseLoc for leave
end mouseEnter

on checkMe
  if within(me, the mouseLoc) then
     send checkMe to me in 10 ticks  # Check back if still within
   else                              # otherwise
     put image "normalstate" into me # back to normal because we left
  end if
end checkMe
####################################################################

I should have done more testing before suggesting my previous solution, 
apologies to the list.


John J. Theobald








From pixelbird at interisland.net  Sun Feb  9 02:37:00 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Sun Feb  9 02:37:00 2003
Subject: Group disappeared (was More about images)
In-Reply-To: <200302081548.KAA29663@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA6B4906.6BD9%pixelbird@interisland.net>

***********
> Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 22:54:31 -0800 (PST)
> From: Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: More about images

> Hi Ken,
> 
> Let's see if I got this right:
> - there's one large image with all the keys in their
> "DOWN" position
> - and you only want to show a small portion of this
> image, at a specific place on the card
----------
That's right.
----------
> If that's correct, the solution I described ought to
> work properly:
> - when you resize a group, this doesn't resize its
> contents but rather, it acts as a window, only showing
> the part of its contents you want to display.
----------
I never would have guessed that. If I understood how and why it works that
would help.
----------
> - you'll have to set its lockLocation to true, or it
> will resize the first chance it gets ; and you'll have
> to set the rect of the group to the size of what you
> want to display.
> - then you can control which part of all that's in the
> group is displayed, by controlling the hScroll and
> vScroll properties of the group.
> - if you need to display it at different positions on
> the card, set the topLeft property of the group ; this
> has no effect on the displayed part of the group.
----------
LockLoc of the group? I guess I'm confused. I thought I had to resize it in
the handler to fit each "key" (button) anyway. The handlers look like this:

on theKey -- in the stack script
  
  -- the image is designed so the "keys" match the button rects
  -- so we can match it up if the original group image is properly set
 
  set the rect of group id 1017 to the rect of the target

  -- Now set the position it displays

  set the hScroll of group id 1017 to the left of the target
  set the vScroll of group id 1017 to the top of the target
end theKey

...the button script looks like this:

on mouseDown
  theKey
  show group id 1017
end mouseDown

on mouseUp
  hide group id 1017
end mouseUp

...I just tried it with one button, and I can see it work OK, but it didn't
quite align like it should have. I tried to show the group from the message
box, but it just showed the little piece. I tried to resize it to the screen
so I could realign the whole image to make it properly match the buttons,
but it went totally HAYWIRE!

The group ended up with only about 1/3 of the BOTTOM RIGHT of original image
in the UPPER LEFT of the screen. The handles were all in the right position,
though, but the bottom right of the screen was transparent, i.e., I could
see the UP group there. When I dragged it down and to the right I could see
that the rest of the UPPER LEFT of the image was missing. The upper left
handle was at the corner, but the rest of the group was cut off.

So I tried to hide the image and see if I could get the button to work, but
I got a squawk box saying it couldn't find the group. I tried to show it
with the msg box but it squawked again, this time saying the group didn't
exist.

So, somehow the group seems to have disappeared from the stack. I don't have
a clue what happened to it.

Any help appreciated.

TIA.
Ken N.




From jeanne at runrev.com  Sun Feb  9 03:47:01 2003
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Sun Feb  9 03:47:01 2003
Subject: Rotating Images without enlarging the image space
In-Reply-To: <200302060513.h165DexF013804@ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <v03130347ba6bafa57d55@[10.0.1.2]>

At 9:13 PM -0800 2/5/03, Howard Bornstein wrote:
>In the 1.1.1 docs it says "set the angle of a _graphic_ to angledegrees"
>
>"Use the angle property to create an arc shape or to rotate a regular
>polygon."
>
>Nothing about images (or has this always been there undocumented)?


No - the usage for images is new in 2.0.

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From jeanne at runrev.com  Sun Feb  9 03:47:44 2003
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Sun Feb  9 03:47:44 2003
Subject: Setting graphic style to Line
In-Reply-To: <05925B5B-3A28-11D7-A645-000393BF0854@bloomington.in.us>
Message-ID: <v03130348ba6bafef8eb9@[10.0.1.2]>

At 3:09 PM -0800 2/6/03, Jim Witte wrote:
>   But if I create one line, then set the style of another object to the
>style of the first line, it disappears.  The object is still listed in
>the application overview (at least in 20a), but it won't show on the
>screen (If I set the style to something other than a line, it shows up;
>then if I select line again, it disappears.

This is because the other graphic (if you've created, say, a rectangle) has
an empty points property. If the points property of a line is empty, the
line doesn't have any length (because it's got no points), so it won't
appear on screen even though it exists in the stack.

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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  9 05:45:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Sun Feb  9 05:45:01 2003
Subject: Group disappeared (was More about images)
In-Reply-To: <BA6B4906.6BD9%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <20030209104054.22476.qmail@web11904.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "Ken Norris (dialup)" <pixelbird at interisland.net>
wrote:
> ***********
> > Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 22:54:31 -0800 (PST)
> > From: Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: More about images
> 
> > Hi Ken,
> > 
> > Let's see if I got this right:
> > - there's one large image with all the keys in
> their
> > "DOWN" position
> > - and you only want to show a small portion of
> this
> > image, at a specific place on the card
> ----------
> That's right.
> ----------
> > If that's correct, the solution I described ought
> to
> > work properly:
> > - when you resize a group, this doesn't resize its
> > contents but rather, it acts as a window, only
> showing
> > the part of its contents you want to display.
> ----------
> I never would have guessed that. If I understood how
> and why it works that
> would help.
> ----------
> > - you'll have to set its lockLocation to true, or
> it
> > will resize the first chance it gets ; and you'll
> have
> > to set the rect of the group to the size of what
> you
> > want to display.
> > - then you can control which part of all that's in
> the
> > group is displayed, by controlling the hScroll and
> > vScroll properties of the group.
> > - if you need to display it at different positions
> on
> > the card, set the topLeft property of the group ;
> this
> > has no effect on the displayed part of the group.
> ----------
> LockLoc of the group? I guess I'm confused. I
> thought I had to resize it in
> the handler to fit each "key" (button) anyway. The
> handlers look like this:
> 
> on theKey -- in the stack script
>   
>   -- the image is designed so the "keys" match the
> button rects
>   -- so we can match it up if the original group
> image is properly set
>  
>   set the rect of group id 1017 to the rect of the
> target
> 
>   -- Now set the position it displays
> 
>   set the hScroll of group id 1017 to the left of
> the target
>   set the vScroll of group id 1017 to the top of the
> target
> end theKey
> 
> ...the button script looks like this:
> 
> on mouseDown
>   theKey
>   show group id 1017
> end mouseDown
> 
> on mouseUp
>   hide group id 1017
> end mouseUp
> 
> ...I just tried it with one button, and I can see it
> work OK, but it didn't
> quite align like it should have. I tried to show the
> group from the message
> box, but it just showed the little piece. I tried to
> resize it to the screen
> so I could realign the whole image to make it
> properly match the buttons,
> but it went totally HAYWIRE!
> 
> The group ended up with only about 1/3 of the BOTTOM
> RIGHT of original image
> in the UPPER LEFT of the screen. The handles were
> all in the right position,
> though, but the bottom right of the screen was
> transparent, i.e., I could
> see the UP group there. When I dragged it down and
> to the right I could see
> that the rest of the UPPER LEFT of the image was
> missing. The upper left
> handle was at the corner, but the rest of the group
> was cut off.
> 
> So I tried to hide the image and see if I could get
> the button to work, but
> I got a squawk box saying it couldn't find the
> group. I tried to show it
> with the msg box but it squawked again, this time
> saying the group didn't
> exist.
> 
> So, somehow the group seems to have disappeared from
> the stack. I don't have
> a clue what happened to it.
> 
> Any help appreciated.
> 
> TIA.
> Ken N.
> 

Hi Ken,

First of all, try to see if the group is still there
by using the Application Overview. It may just have
run offscreen.
If it's till there, try the following:
  set the rect of group "Foobar" to "100,100,200,200"
  set the hscroll of group "Foobar" to 0
  set the vscroll of group "Foobar" to 0
And slowly rebuild from there. Also, to fix the little
offsets you see:
  set the margins of group "Foobar" to 0

At any rate, your script looks just fine to me, and
ought to do the trick. Hopefully we can fix the last
quirks for you :)

Jan Schenkel.

PS: I've had some strange effects when using groups as
well, though I've never been able to pinpoint them : a
group with a script that conrained the line 'start
editing me' and would halt right there, claiming there
was no such group.

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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  9 05:51:00 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Sun Feb  9 05:51:00 2003
Subject: get URL "http://" not working with faceless CGI's
In-Reply-To: <p05200f01ba6ac8ca9b70@[192.168.123.3]>
Message-ID: <20030209104645.51575.qmail@web11907.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Dave Cragg <dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk> wrote:
> At 12:30 am +1000 9/2/03, valetia at mac.com wrote:
> >Hi Jan,
> >
> >>  In the meantime, you should be able to achieve
> what
> >>  you want by adding a line
> >>  start using stack "libURL"
> >>  at the start of your cgi-script.
> >
> >Hmm, tried that and it still doesn't work (I get an
> internal server error
> >the moment that line is inserted)...
> 
> The problem is that there is no stack "libUrl" for
> your script to 
> access. (Jan, were you using the Metacard side of
> your brain? :))
> 

Hi Dave,

Out of curiosity, is that the right or the left half?
No seriously, I would have thought you could simply
drop the libURL file from the RunRev website into the
folder, or store it elsewhere and include a path in
the 'start using' call.
Oh well, thanks for correcting me Dave ; glad Valetia
is up and running now ; and also thanks for teaching
me another valuable trick on how to extract the most
current internet library ;-)

Best regards,

Jan Schenkel.

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From gary.rathbone at btclick.com  Sun Feb  9 06:35:01 2003
From: gary.rathbone at btclick.com (Gary Rathbone)
Date: Sun Feb  9 06:35:01 2003
Subject: Flash integration - An Answer
Message-ID: <000501c2d02e$9cd65380$0e00000a@server>

OK. When I click on a button in Flash I get a "HelloRev" message in my Rev
stack. Rev then returns a "HelloFlash" message. So the two can talk to each
other and pass parameters for parsing and other actions. When I said I was
no Flash expert I actually meant I'd never used the program, so I'm sure
there's much more on the Flash side that can be done rather that just
displaying the Rev response in a browser.

In Flash I created a button with the following script...

-----------
on (press) {
getURL("http://127.0.0.1:8181/$HelloRev$", "_blank");	
}
-----------

I then created a stack with a single button 'Start' and a field 'tfld'. The
'Start' button has the following script. This is very similar to the
Javascript/WebForm/Browser 'integrator' stack previously published.

-----------
on mouseup
  put "" into fld "tfld"
  get the OpenSockets
  repeat with c=1 to the number of lines in it
    close socket (line c of it)
  end repeat
  accept connections on port 8181 with message "wRequest"
end mouseup

on wRequest skt
  set the itemdel to "$"
  set the socketTimeoutInterval to 20000
  read from socket skt for 1 line
  put item 2 of it into fld "tfld"
  write "HelloFlash" to socket skt
  close socket skt
end wRequest
-----------

So, Rev is 'listening' for a request on port 8181 of IP 127.0.0.1 (which is
the local machine - you don't need to change this IP address as every (?)
computer uses this IP address as its own reference - the loopback IP). When
the Flash button is pressed it sends a request to the Rev stack which parses
the parameter and puts the result into the field. Rev then returns a string
which currently appears in a browser window, but I'm sure someone more
competant in flash could do more with this...

Hope this helps.

Regards

Gary Rathbone





From webart at kenjikojima.com  Sun Feb  9 07:30:01 2003
From: webart at kenjikojima.com (Kenji Kojima)
Date: Sun Feb  9 07:30:01 2003
Subject: unicode in pre-beta
In-Reply-To: <20030206.073258.1256.0.diskot123@juno.com>
Message-ID: <A91B6FE4-3C29-11D7-82D1-000A27941ED2@kenjikojima.com>

Hi,

Can I set two-byte characters button label, menus, stack title
and custom properties?  I looked for related unicode new words,
and only found "unicodeText", "htmlText" and "useUnicode".
I tried to use them, but did not work.

Thanks,

--
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kenjikojima.com






From rpresender at earthlink.net  Sun Feb  9 08:34:00 2003
From: rpresender at earthlink.net (Robert Presender)
Date: Sun Feb  9 08:34:00 2003
Subject: User info
Message-ID: <A8451D40-3C32-11D7-86D0-000393A19046@earthlink.net>

Hi,

It is noted that in registration forms, the user's name and email 
address are pre-inserted.

Would appreciate info as to how such info is obtained. Would like to 
use in a Rev/MC standalone.

TIA

Regards ...  Bob



From Revinfo1155 at aol.com  Sun Feb  9 13:18:01 2003
From: Revinfo1155 at aol.com (Revinfo1155 at aol.com)
Date: Sun Feb  9 13:18:01 2003
Subject: Custom property
Message-ID: <19f.107522ce.2b77f44c@aol.com>

Could someone define a custom property and give me an example and a "How to 
set one up!"

Thanks much 
Jack
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Sun Feb  9 13:52:03 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sun Feb  9 13:52:03 2003
Subject: Custom property
In-Reply-To: <19f.107522ce.2b77f44c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BA6BE250.25C78%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

Revinfo1155 at aol.com wrote:

> Could someone define a custom property and give me an example and a "How to
> set one up!"

Custom properties are automatically defines when you set their values:

  set the uGreeting of this stack to "Hello World"
 
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From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Feb  9 16:28:01 2003
From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel)
Date: Sun Feb  9 16:28:01 2003
Subject: printing (was: couple of questions)
Message-ID: <p05100301ba6c5f3b9a6b@[62.30.171.89]>

On Thu, 6 Feb 2003 22:39:53 -0800 (PST), Jan Schenkel 
<janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>--- Alex Rice <alrice at ARCplanning.com> wrote:
[..]

>Does
>  > anyone have sample
>>  code they could share, or have posted in the past to
>>  this list, which
>>  shows how to do this non-trivial kind of printing.
>>  Especially the paper
>>  size and pagination?
>>
>
>Hi Alex,
>
>RunRev 2.0 will have much better printing options,
>especially for reports.
>
>In the meantime, you could take a look at the
>'printPaperSize', 'printMargins' , 'printGutters', and
>a few more 'printXXX' properties.
>Then get the height of your stack, and you should be
>able to determine where the page breaks are going to
>end up, and 'create' or 'clone' a field on the correct
>card with the pagenumber in it.

I echo Alex's original query. I have not yet discovered a good 
example of a comprehensive printing script.

One thing I've discovered is that, taken together, the description of 
the 'printPaperSize' global property and the 'answer printer' command 
in the Transcript Dictionary are misleading, since it appears from 
the 'printPaperSize' example that you can **set** the property by 
script, but doesn't mention that you can also find out the values 
**the user has set it to** via a 'Page Setup' dialog ('answer 
printer') - AFAIK this is the only way to determine what the user has 
asked for in terms of paper size and portrait/landscape choice.

I have not yet tried to understand the report generating in 2.0, and 
I don't know if it tries to do more with the printer driver API 
elements that are common across platforms. In particular, I don't 
know if it will be possible to find out the maximum printable area 
(minimum margins) on a page, which certainly seems possible for other 
applications on all the Mac and Windows printers I've used. This is 
of course essential if you allow your user to set margins and you 
wnat to warn him/her if cropping is likely to occur.

Maybe some more expert person knows what the minimum acceptable 
readable properties which printer drivers have to conform to on 
Revo-supported platforms.

Graham
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From pixelbird at interisland.net  Sun Feb  9 16:30:01 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Sun Feb  9 16:30:01 2003
Subject: Group disappeared (was More about images)
In-Reply-To: <200302091702.MAA16934@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA6C0C1A.6BEF%pixelbird@interisland.net>

**********
> Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 02:40:54 -0800 (PST)
> From: Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Group disappeared (was More about images)

> First of all, try to see if the group is still there
> by using the Application Overview. It may just have
> run offscreen.
----------
OK, I'll go look.
----------
> If it's till there, try the following:
> set the rect of group "Foobar" to "100,100,200,200"
> set the hscroll of group "Foobar" to 0
> set the vscroll of group "Foobar" to 0
> And slowly rebuild from there.
----------
That's exactly what I did when I tried to reset the group's size. That's
when it went berserk, and then disappeared.
----------
> Also, to fix the little
> offsets you see:
> set the margins of group "Foobar" to 0
----------
Yes, I had done that in the dialog (and locked) before making the calls,
because the group came with 4 pixel margins on either side of the display.
---------- 
> At any rate, your script looks just fine to me, and
> ought to do the trick. Hopefully we can fix the last
> quirks for you :)
----------
Yes, it worked until I tried to reset the group's position when it
disappeared.
---------- 
> PS: I've had some strange effects when using groups as
> well, though I've never been able to pinpoint them : a
> group with a script that conrained the line 'start
> editing me' and would halt right there, claiming there
> was no such group.
----------
Maybe the engine got confused as to what the object "me" was. What would
happen if you defined it by the literal long name?

Ken N.



From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Sun Feb  9 16:52:01 2003
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun Feb  9 16:52:01 2003
Subject: Flash integration - An Answer
In-Reply-To: <000501c2d02e$9cd65380$0e00000a@server>
Message-ID: <1ACFEDA8-3C78-11D7-9EDC-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com>

Great stuff! I've put this up at:

http://wiki.macitworks.com/revdocs/IntegratingWithFlash

If anyone has any additions, refinements, comments, etc., you are all 
able to edit the page freely (no login required). Gary, if you don't 
want it there, feel free to delete it.

gc

On Sunday, February 9, 2003, at 03:30 AM, Gary Rathbone wrote:

> OK. When I click on a button in Flash I get a "HelloRev" message in my 
> Rev
> stack. Rev then returns a "HelloFlash" message. So the two can talk to 
> each
> other and pass parameters for parsing and other actions. When I said I 
> was
> no Flash expert I actually meant I'd never used the program, so I'm 
> sure
> there's much more on the Flash side that can be done rather that just
> displaying the Rev response in a browser.
>
> In Flash I created a button with the following script...
>
> -----------
> on (press) {
> getURL("http://127.0.0.1:8181/$HelloRev$", "_blank");	
> }
> -----------
>
> I then created a stack with a single button 'Start' and a field 
> 'tfld'. The
> 'Start' button has the following script. This is very similar to the
> Javascript/WebForm/Browser 'integrator' stack previously published.
>
> -----------
> on mouseup
>   put "" into fld "tfld"
>   get the OpenSockets
>   repeat with c=1 to the number of lines in it
>     close socket (line c of it)
>   end repeat
>   accept connections on port 8181 with message "wRequest"
> end mouseup
>
> on wRequest skt
>   set the itemdel to "$"
>   set the socketTimeoutInterval to 20000
>   read from socket skt for 1 line
>   put item 2 of it into fld "tfld"
>   write "HelloFlash" to socket skt
>   close socket skt
> end wRequest
> -----------
>
> So, Rev is 'listening' for a request on port 8181 of IP 127.0.0.1 
> (which is
> the local machine - you don't need to change this IP address as every 
> (?)
> computer uses this IP address as its own reference - the loopback IP). 
> When
> the Flash button is pressed it sends a request to the Rev stack which 
> parses
> the parameter and puts the result into the field. Rev then returns a 
> string
> which currently appears in a browser window, but I'm sure someone more
> competant in flash could do more with this...
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Regards
>
> Gary Rathbone

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com



From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Feb  9 17:04:01 2003
From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel)
Date: Sun Feb  9 17:04:01 2003
Subject: Another printing question
Message-ID: <p05100303ba6c7e16da22@[62.30.171.89]>

According to the Transcript Dictionary, the 'revShowPrintDialog' 
command only works for revPrintField or revPrintText. How then do you 
force a print dialog to appear when you print a card (or cards) on a 
Windows-based system? I think I have seen such a dialog on a Windows 
system as the result of using the 'open printing with dialog' command 
(theoretically only useful for printing multiple cards in one print 
job), but since I haven't managed to print anything yet, this may not 
be a reliable result. I'm just wanting my app to have the kind of 
printing interface which is common to Windows apps, nothing very 
advanced...

I will continue to experiment, but I'd be happy to get some more expert help.

Graham
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From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Sun Feb  9 17:39:01 2003
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Sun Feb  9 17:39:01 2003
Subject: [ANN] libColor v 0.4.1
Message-ID: <FLEGJBMJADGKMCHIMFOHAEGICOAA.monte@sweattechnologies.com>

Hi All

libColor now has Pantone support. So you can now use libColor to convert
from a Pantone color to RGB, HEX, closest color name, HSV and CMYK. You can
also convert any of the above into the closest matching Pantone. If anyone
else would like to contribute a color system then please let me know off
list.

Thanks to Roger Eller and James Cass for contributing the Pantone to RGB
conversion table!

You can download it and read the new docs at www.sweattechnologies.com/rev

Cheers

Monte Goulding
B.App.Sc. (Hons.)

Executive Director
Sweat Technologies

email: monte at sweattechnologies.com
website: www.sweattechnologies.com
mobile (International): +61 421 138 274
       (Australia): 0421 138 274



From jeanne at runrev.com  Sun Feb  9 18:13:01 2003
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Sun Feb  9 18:13:01 2003
Subject: Another printing question
In-Reply-To: <p05100303ba6c7e16da22@[62.30.171.89]>
Message-ID: <v0313034cba6c853b55f4@[10.0.1.2]>

At 1:57 PM -0800 2/9/03, Graham Samuel wrote:
>According to the Transcript Dictionary, the 'revShowPrintDialog'
>command only works for revPrintField or revPrintText. How then do you
>force a print dialog to appear when you print a card (or cards) on a
>Windows-based system?

Check out the answer printer command.

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From jhurley at infostations.com  Sun Feb  9 18:30:01 2003
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Sun Feb  9 18:30:01 2003
Subject: Storing images
In-Reply-To: <200302091702.MAA16979@www.runrev.com>
References: <200302091702.MAA16979@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05010400ba6c76bd46ce@[66.81.215.47]>

I have a small addendum to the Storing Images discussion. If you wish 
to have icons of a given image displayed with varying sizes on 
different cards, there was a way of doing this suggested by Sannyasin 
Sivakatirswami. In his method all images are stored once in a 
substack. Those images then become icons resized on PreOpenCard.

This is  a variation on that method which is just a little simpler 
(it doesn't require a closeCard handler) and produces a nice border 
around the image by simultaneously resizing the  button.

On each card there is a preOpenCard handler:

On preOpenCard
    resizeImage "imageOne", 1.5 --Image name and the degree of magnification
    --Likewise for the other images
end preOpenCard

The handler "resizeImage" is stored in the  stack script of the 
substack and reads as follows:

on resizeImage theImage,theMagnification
   --Reset the image size on the substack card to the desired size
   set the defaultStack to "imagesSubstack"
   put the imageSize of image theImage into theImageSize
   set the width of image theImage to theMagnification*item 1 of theImageSize
   set the height of image theImage to theMagnification* item 2 of theImageSize
   --Set the button size to fit the image size
   set the defaultstack to "images"
   set the width of button theImage to 1.05*theMagnification*item 1 of 
value(theImageSize)
   set the height of button theImage to 1.05*theMagnification*item 2 
of value(theImageSize)
end resizeImage



Where each image has been assigned a "imageSize" property which is 
its default width and height.

The handler will resize the image in the substack, and that image 
becomes the icon in the like-named button in the main stack.

The button whose icon is the image is also resized to just fit (just 
a little bit extra--1.05--makes for a little better appearance) 
around the image as a border. You can have your cake and a border too.

Jim


From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Sun Feb  9 19:13:20 2003
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun Feb  9 19:13:20 2003
Subject: SQL Tutorial
Message-ID: <D8B9D34C-3C8B-11D7-9EDC-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com>

The online docs reference an SQL tutorial at:

http://w3.one.net/~jhoffman/sqltut.htm

That page appears to be unavailable now. I retrieved a copy from the 
very wonderful <http://www.archive.org> and tidied it up for public 
presentation. It's at:

<http://wiki.macitworks.com/revdocs/SqlTutorial>

Please be patient -- it's a big page, and the wiki server is a small 
underpowered thing. A really good idea would be to convert the page to 
native wiki syntax, and break it up into a dozen or so related pages.

There is a copyright notice on the work crediting James Hoffman; a 
cursory web search failed to turn up either a more recent copy of the 
tutorial or an email link for Mr. Hoffman. That said, obviously if he 
turns up and asks me to remove the information, I'll have to pull it 
down.

Until that (possible) time, feel free to peruse, enjoy, and even edit 
-- remember, it's a wiki -- anyone can contribute, no authorization 
required.

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com



From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Sun Feb  9 19:23:01 2003
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun Feb  9 19:23:01 2003
Subject: Storing images
In-Reply-To: <a05010400ba6c76bd46ce@[66.81.215.47]>
Message-ID: <2FDC9979-3C8D-11D7-9EDC-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com>

Excellent! I've added this to the wiki at:

<http://wiki.macitworks.com/revdocs/ShowingImagesAtMultipleSizes>

If anyone has any additions, refinements, comments, etc., you are all 
able to edit the page freely (no login required). Jim, if you don't 
want it there, feel free to delete it.

gc

On Sunday, February 9, 2003, at 03:25 PM, Jim Hurley wrote:

> I have a small addendum to the Storing Images discussion. If you wish 
> to have icons of a given image displayed with varying sizes on 
> different cards, there was a way of doing this suggested by Sannyasin 
> Sivakatirswami. In his method all images are stored once in a 
> substack. Those images then become icons resized on PreOpenCard.
>
> This is  a variation on that method which is just a little simpler (it 
> doesn't require a closeCard handler) and produces a nice border around 
> the image by simultaneously resizing the  button.
>
> On each card there is a preOpenCard handler:
>
> On preOpenCard
>    resizeImage "imageOne", 1.5 --Image name and the degree of 
> magnification
>    --Likewise for the other images
> end preOpenCard
>
> The handler "resizeImage" is stored in the  stack script of the 
> substack and reads as follows:
>
> on resizeImage theImage,theMagnification
>   --Reset the image size on the substack card to the desired size
>   set the defaultStack to "imagesSubstack"
>   put the imageSize of image theImage into theImageSize
>   set the width of image theImage to theMagnification*item 1 of 
> theImageSize
>   set the height of image theImage to theMagnification* item 2 of 
> theImageSize
>   --Set the button size to fit the image size
>   set the defaultstack to "images"
>   set the width of button theImage to 1.05*theMagnification*item 1 of 
> value(theImageSize)
>   set the height of button theImage to 1.05*theMagnification*item 2 of 
> value(theImageSize)
> end resizeImage
>
>
>
> Where each image has been assigned a "imageSize" property which is its 
> default width and height.
>
> The handler will resize the image in the substack, and that image 
> becomes the icon in the like-named button in the main stack.
>
> The button whose icon is the image is also resized to just fit (just a 
> little bit extra--1.05--makes for a little better appearance) around 
> the image as a border. You can have your cake and a border too.
>
> Jim

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com



From brad at activadesign.com  Sun Feb  9 19:31:01 2003
From: brad at activadesign.com (Bradley Borch)
Date: Sun Feb  9 19:31:01 2003
Subject: Flash integration - sort of...
In-Reply-To: <200302091702.MAA16979@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4D5BCCFB-3C8E-11D7-A208-000393C824D2@activadesign.com>

On Sunday, February 9, 2003, at 12:02  PM, 
use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> getURL("http://127.0.0.1:8181/$HelloRev$", "_blank");	
>

> So, Rev is 'listening' for a request on port 8181 of IP 127.0.0.1 
> (which is
> the local machine - you don't need to change this IP address as every 
> (?)
> computer uses this IP address as its own reference - the loopback IP). 
> When
> the Flash button is pressed it sends a request to the Rev stack which 
> parses
> the parameter and puts the result into the field. Rev then returns a 
> string
> which currently appears in a browser window, but I'm sure someone more
> competant in flash could do more with this...
>
> Hope this helps.

Umm... thanks, Gary, but I'm just a humble multimedia guy, and the 
port/IP address stuff is a little beyond me. I was thinking of 
something a bit more direct. My goal is to actually include the swf 
file as a QuickTime movie playing in rev to send commands to the rev 
environment at play time. Presumably it would be the same kind of 
command coming from a "wired" QT movie created in, say, LiveStage.

I've been experimenting with a particular swf clip, an interface with 
some nice elements (multiple dynamically created movie clips, clips 
that track mouse movements, etc.) This file works fairly well in Rev; 
the animations track nicely in rev 1.1 but the buttons only respond 
about 10% of the time to a mouseUp, and that only after 5-10 seconds. 
Interestingly, the mouseDown response is instantaneous. The situation 
is reversed in rev 2, with the buttons responding correctly but the 
animations extremely sluggish. If folks are interested, I'll post the 
swf file to mess around with.



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Sun Feb  9 23:00:01 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Sun Feb  9 23:00:01 2003
Subject: Groups and clone buttons
In-Reply-To: <200302091702.MAA16934@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA6C6793.6C0B%pixelbird@interisland.net>

Hello,

I got my two images grouped with background behavior. Then I created two
like buttons to where the handler shows the part of the group I needed. Many
thanks to Jan for the help...it's hard to fathom how much time that saved.

Next, I actually cut those two test transparent buttons and pasted them into
the first image group as part of the group. That means the same group that
has the UP state image owns the buttons, too.

Did I do that right?

I'm thinking maybe not, because I will eventually have at least 5 keyboard
designs all based on the same button set (the first three are done). Each
will have two associated images like the Simulator, i.e., UP and DOWN.

The current keyboard Simulator images are imported. My question is: Where
are these images stored in Rev?

Suppose I give them the three sets I've already designed, but offer the
other two as extras later on. I'd like some opinions on the best way to
implement this in Rev.

Second subject is cloning buttons (or any object for that matter) as a
group. I can do it by hand, but I was wondering if it would be worthwhile to
create a small IDE to do these things, or if someone has already done it.

Also, since so much of the HC stack should be rewritten for Rev, only the
display images and buttons (scripts involve lots of TTS, etc. and won't
work) are valid. How can I import just the background button set to the Rev
stack for placement purposes?

Thanks in advance,
Ken N.



 



From katir at hindu.org  Mon Feb 10 00:25:01 2003
From: katir at hindu.org (Sannyasin Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon Feb 10 00:25:01 2003
Subject: Storing images
In-Reply-To: <a05010400ba6c76bd46ce@[66.81.215.47]>
Message-ID: <78DDDEF6-3CB7-11D7-A036-003065FB9830@hindu.org>

On Sunday, February 9, 2003, at 01:25 PM, Jim Hurley wrote:

> put the imageSize of image theImage into theImageSize
>   set the width of image theImage to theMagnification*item 1 of 
> theImageSize
>   set the height of image theImage to theMagnification* item 2 of 
> theImageSize

Very nice simplification, Jim:

Question: I haven't tested lately, but if you resize that image once, 
say, a 50 percent reduction. Then later if  you apply a .5 to it again, 
don't you end up with an image 1/4 the original size?  That's why i was 
doing the restore business.



From katir at hindu.org  Mon Feb 10 00:42:01 2003
From: katir at hindu.org (Sannyasin Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon Feb 10 00:42:01 2003
Subject: Multi-user stacks on servers?
Message-ID: <ECD6D6CD-3CB9-11D7-A036-003065FB9830@hindu.org>

I am interested  in see what we can do without using an external 
multi-user dBase, sticking with Rev stack (s), as a data respository 
(s) on a server, with multi-user access.

Can a stack on a local station do something like

Send new card to stack "Vendors"
     ## which resides on a server, kind of like a single table in a SQL 
Dbase
put "Some vender Name" into fld "Vendor Name"

For this to happen, does the stack on the server have to be open? If 
so, then I guess there is no second user access for a write at that 
moment and if I am right, then this would not be doable? or is there a 
doable option other than storing all "records' as small text files and 
locking them on read and write.

The data is complex but limited, well within the limits, size-wise, of 
Rev to handle very efficiently. A super macho dBase is not really 
needed in terms of speed. Meanwhile Rev's tool box lends itself well to 
dealing with the complexity  (especially if one only knows xTalk and is 
loath to get into a new learning curve)  But multi-user access is an  
issue. What are our options?

Sannyasin Sivakatirswami
Himalayan Academy Publications
at Kauai's Hindu Monastery
katir at hindu.org

www.HimalayanAcademy.com,
www.HinduismToday.com
www.Gurudeva.org
www.Hindu.org



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Mon Feb 10 00:49:01 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Mon Feb 10 00:49:01 2003
Subject: Stereo channels/TTS
In-Reply-To: <200302081548.KAA29663@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA6C80ED.6C10%pixelbird@interisland.net>

OK, here's one:

One of my disabled folks has severe motor skill deficits, exhibits basically
only gross, slow, and delayed motion, and some vision impairments, and
speech deficits.

In developing communcations, I need voice feedback as well as voice
simulation TTS.

The thing is, I sometimes need them both to be available simultaneously, so
the feedback voice should come through, say, the left channel and go to a
headset or earbud, and the simulator through the speaker, with two separate
voices.

Is there any way to do this in Rev? I may be able to implement it on the
Mac, but Windows might be tough.

Any ideas?

TIA,
Ken N.



From Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi  Mon Feb 10 01:42:01 2003
From: Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Esa_Kivel=E4?=)
Date: Mon Feb 10 01:42:01 2003
Subject: That oleer printing problem again
Message-ID: <961D94BBE7448D4C8E4440CB7920D9E02AD645@ktk7.ad.kuluttajatutkimuskeskus.fi>


> -----Alkuper?inen viesti-----
> L?hett?j?: Jeanne A. E. DeVoto [mailto:jeanne at runrev.com]
> L?hetetty: 10. helmikuuta 2003 0:23
> Vastaanottaja: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Aihe: Re: Another printing question
> 
> 
> At 1:57 PM -0800 2/9/03, Graham Samuel wrote:
> >According to the Transcript Dictionary, the 'revShowPrintDialog'
> >command only works for revPrintField or revPrintText. How then do you
> >force a print dialog to appear when you print a card (or cards) on a
> >Windows-based system?
> 
> Check out the answer printer command.

kevin an orrhers: btw dis You guys regonize at all my reply to private an here list, that ie. I have still that werid printing problem wich pints many pages and only few lines per page when You asked me to tell if I have still that problem. 

I replied but nothing replies after that.

Did you notified that pinting problems to RR 2.0? I have tested that printin in 2.0 pe beta and yep same problem remains: many pages and few liens per page when I tried to pint text field.

I send private email to Kevin about that too.

EsaK


From Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi  Mon Feb 10 01:45:00 2003
From: Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Esa_Kivel=E4?=)
Date: Mon Feb 10 01:45:00 2003
Subject: VS: SQL Tutorial
Message-ID: <961D94BBE7448D4C8E4440CB7920D9E02AD646@ktk7.ad.kuluttajatutkimuskeskus.fi>


> -----Alkuper?inen viesti-----
> L?hett?j?: Geoff Canyon [mailto:gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com]
> L?hetetty: 10. helmikuuta 2003 2:09
> Vastaanottaja: improve-revolution
> Kopio: Use-Revolution
> Aihe: SQL Tutorial
> 
> 
> The online docs reference an SQL tutorial at:
> 
> http://w3.one.net/~jhoffman/sqltut.htm

Tried -> it said:

"ERROR (404): URL missing
The URL you were trying to request no longer exists or has been renamed on our server. This server provides access to our dialup users' homepages. If you have encountered a problem with a specific users page, please direct any e-mail questions to the user that the pages belong to. (eg. http://w3.one.net/~username belongs to username at one.net)."

EsaK 


From miscdas at boxfrog.com  Mon Feb 10 03:13:01 2003
From: miscdas at boxfrog.com (miscdas at boxfrog.com)
Date: Mon Feb 10 03:13:01 2003
Subject: Storing images
In-Reply-To: <a05010400ba6c76bd46ce@[66.81.215.47]> 
References: <200302091702.MAA16979@www.runrev.com>
            <a05010400ba6c76bd46ce@[66.81.215.47]>
Message-ID: <20030210081037.33580.qmail@www.boxfrog.com>

Jim Hurley writes:
[snip]
> I have a small addendum to the Storing Images discussion.  
> 
> This is  a variation on that method which is just a little simpler (it 
> doesn't require a closeCard handler) and produces a nice border around the image by simultaneously resizing the  button. 
> 
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
Nice touch! 

miscdas 



From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Mon Feb 10 03:22:01 2003
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon Feb 10 03:22:01 2003
Subject: VS: SQL Tutorial
In-Reply-To: <961D94BBE7448D4C8E4440CB7920D9E02AD646@ktk7.ad.kuluttajatutkimuskeskus.fi>
Message-ID: <3A9E9DF8-3CD0-11D7-9EDC-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com>

Yes, that's what I said -- that's the original URL, and it doesn't 
work. That's why I put up a copy at:

<http://wiki.macitworks.com/revdocs/SqlTutorial>

On Sunday, February 9, 2003, at 10:40 PM, Esa Kivel? wrote:

>
>
>> -----Alkuper?inen viesti-----
>> L?hett?j?: Geoff Canyon [mailto:gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com]
>> L?hetetty: 10. helmikuuta 2003 2:09
>> Vastaanottaja: improve-revolution
>> Kopio: Use-Revolution
>> Aihe: SQL Tutorial
>>
>>
>> The online docs reference an SQL tutorial at:
>>
>> http://w3.one.net/~jhoffman/sqltut.htm
>
> Tried -> it said:
>
> "ERROR (404): URL missing
> The URL you were trying to request no longer exists or has been 
> renamed on our server. This server provides access to our dialup 
> users' homepages. If you have encountered a problem with a specific 
> users page, please direct any e-mail questions to the user that the 
> pages belong to. (eg. http://w3.one.net/~username belongs to 
> username at one.net)."
>
> EsaK
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com



From wmb at internettrainer.com  Mon Feb 10 04:21:01 2003
From: wmb at internettrainer.com (Wolfgang M. Bereuter)
Date: Mon Feb 10 04:21:01 2003
Subject: testing the waters
In-Reply-To: <BA682838.2584E%ambassador@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <70A7F49B-3CD8-11D7-8334-003065430226@internettrainer.com>

Bradley Borch wrote:

> 1) Can rev serve as a replacement for Director?

iShell is imho eaysier to learn, its faster to do MM project, cheaper 
and with a much better support than Director. If you are not working 
with DIR since a lot of time, than I would say have a closer look at it 
until Richard starts...
I think Troy is the expert for that, if he is reading the list at the 
moment...

On Donnerstag, Februar 6, 2003, at 11:56  Uhr, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> I've been roasted for this before here, but the offer still stands:  If
> someone will put up enough to pay my bills for two months I'll build an
> iShell-like tool using Rev.

I cant believe that its possible in 2 month, but dont worry: I have 
noticed that for the future!!!;)

regards
Wolfgang M. Bereuter

Learn easy with trainingsmaps?

INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter
Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria
...............................
http://www.internettrainer.com, wmb at internettrainer.com
...............................
Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539



From ron at nationalhome.org  Mon Feb 10 04:21:27 2003
From: ron at nationalhome.org (Ron Tan)
Date: Mon Feb 10 04:21:27 2003
Subject: WinApi and DLL's
Message-ID: <BFEEKDGMFEIDMBMKFJMJGEPBICAA.ron@nationalhome.org>

Hi all,

I can't find any documentation on using the WinAPI and binding to external
dll's from Revolution.  I know on their website somewhere it says it does
this.  Does anybody have info?  Thanks in advance.



From dcragg at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Feb 10 04:21:34 2003
From: dcragg at blueyonder.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Mon Feb 10 04:21:34 2003
Subject: get URL "http://" not working with faceless CGI's
In-Reply-To: <20030209104645.51575.qmail@web11907.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030209104645.51575.qmail@web11907.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p05200f00ba6bfdeed85d@[192.168.123.3]>

At 2:46 am -0800 9/2/03, Jan Schenkel wrote:

>>  (Jan, were you using the Metacard side of
>>  your brain? :))

>
>Out of curiosity, is that the right or the left half?

I'm not sure, Jan. In my case, the left side vs right side issue is 
less important than inside vs outside.

>No seriously, I would have thought you could simply
>drop the libURL file from the RunRev website into the
>folder, or store it elsewhere and include a path in
>the 'start using' call.

Unless we're thinking about different files, the one in the RunRev 
site is an updater stack that simply updates the script/properties of 
one of the buttons in the revLibrary stack. (Which is why Starter Kit 
users can't take advantage of it.)

Cheers
Dave



From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Feb 10 04:59:01 2003
From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel)
Date: Mon Feb 10 04:59:01 2003
Subject: Another printing question
Message-ID: <p05100300ba6d1dd07110@[62.30.171.89]>

On Sun, 9 Feb 2003 14:23:25 -0800, "Jeanne A. E. DeVoto" 
<jeanne at runrev.com> wrote:
>At 1:57 PM -0800 2/9/03, Graham Samuel wrote:
>>According to the Transcript Dictionary, the 'revShowPrintDialog'
>>command only works for revPrintField or revPrintText. How then do you
>>force a print dialog to appear when you print a card (or cards) on a
>>Windows-based system?
>
>Check out the answer printer command.
>

Jeanne, I did look at 'answer printer' - as far as I understand it, 
this produces the 'Page Setup' dialog or windows equivalent. I'm 
looking for the 'Print' dialog, which allows the user to select the 
number of copies to be printed etc. On the Mac and Windows, these are 
generally different dialogs (look at MS Word for example), although 
the functionality may overlap (for example you may be able to choose 
the paper size via either of the dialogs).

As I said before, I'm just trying to make my app behave like 
thousands of others on these platforms as far as printing is 
concerned. A typical app allows  'Page Setup' at any point in the 
program, and 'Print' when you actually want to initiate printing. In 
many apps, the 'Page Setup' settings are remembered across 
invocations of the program, although I admit this is not so 
consistent but rather depends on the app. If one does want to include 
this functionality, then of course it is necessary to be able to 
store the state of properties of the printing device as last set by 
the user or by the system, which in turn means you've got to be able 
to read either the individual properties or else to read and store 
some object which represents the printer driver. I am not clear if 
Revolution 2.0 helps with this, which is one reason why I'm still 
asking questions about maximum printable area.

Graham
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------
          Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France


From richmond at mail.maclaunch.com  Mon Feb 10 05:02:01 2003
From: richmond at mail.maclaunch.com (Mathewson)
Date: Mon Feb 10 05:02:01 2003
Subject: Mathewson looks for job
Message-ID: <web-301708629@mail.maclaunch.com>

I am finishing my present contract on July 11 and am looking
for a "work-from-home" educational software contract
prefarably to run from mid-August for 9-12 months.

I should be more than happy to e-mail a CV to anyone who
expresses an interest.

John Richmond Mathewson
---------------------------------------------------------------
Great Macintosh Products 
 The MacLaunch Store! http://www.maclaunch.com/cgi-launch/store/agora.cgi
---------------------------------------------------------------


From richmond at mail.maclaunch.com  Mon Feb 10 05:07:01 2003
From: richmond at mail.maclaunch.com (Mathewson)
Date: Mon Feb 10 05:07:01 2003
Subject: Mathewson looks for job: spelling correction
Message-ID: <web-301708701@mail.maclaunch.com>

I am finishing my present contract on July 11 and am looking
for a "work-from-home" educational software contract
preferably to run from mid-August for 9-12 months.

I should be more than happy to e-mail a CV to anyone who
expresses an interest.

John Richmond Mathewson
---------------------------------------------------------------
Great Macintosh Products 
 The MacLaunch Store! http://www.maclaunch.com/cgi-launch/store/agora.cgi
---------------------------------------------------------------


From curry at kagi.com  Mon Feb 10 06:35:00 2003
From: curry at kagi.com (Curry)
Date: Mon Feb 10 06:35:00 2003
Subject: REQ: Switching between windows
In-Reply-To: <200302100401.XAA25893@www.runrev.com>
References: <200302100401.XAA25893@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05111b00ba6d3c4465ab@[68.34.213.220]>

I'd like to make a suggestion for Rev 2.0: A commandkey shortcut for 
switching windows, assigned to the "send window to back" menu item.

Thanks,

Curry


From sims at ezpzapps.com  Mon Feb 10 06:43:01 2003
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Mon Feb 10 06:43:01 2003
Subject: phone dial & hang up
In-Reply-To: <3A9E9DF8-3CD0-11D7-9EDC-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com>
References: <3A9E9DF8-3CD0-11D7-9EDC-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <a05200f02ba6d3e7a759f@[10.0.1.2]>

>This works on XP and 2000   
>
>         open file "com3:" for write
>         write "ATS7=1L0DT" & tNumber & cr to file "com3:"
>         wait 10 secs
>         close file "com3:"
>
>Split the phone line and connect the modem output to one side and the phone
>set to the other. Pick up the receiver before the 10 secs expires.
>
>Gary

The above works to dial a phone.

I also want to be able to have the Rev app which dialed the phone get the time
when they hang up the phone. (I want to track phone usage ).

What strategy could I use that would automatically record when the phone call
terminates/stops (without depending on the user to click a button, 
iow  automatically get
the time of hang up)?

atb

sims
-- 
-----------------------------------------------------------
    http://EZPZapps.com         info at EZPZapps.com
       Software - Internet Development - Consulting


From kevin at runrev.com  Mon Feb 10 07:01:19 2003
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Mon Feb 10 07:01:19 2003
Subject: That oleer printing problem again
In-Reply-To: <961D94BBE7448D4C8E4440CB7920D9E02AD645@ktk7.ad.kuluttajatutkimuskeskus.fi>
Message-ID: <BA6D42C8.112FA%kevin@runrev.com>

On 10/2/03 6:37 am, Esa Kivel? <Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi> wrote:

> kevin an orrhers: btw dis You guys regonize at all my reply to private an here
> list, that ie. I have still that werid printing problem wich pints many pages
> and only few lines per page when You asked me to tell if I have still that
> problem. 
> 
> I replied but nothing replies after that.
> 
> Did you notified that pinting problems to RR 2.0? I have tested that printin
> in 2.0 pe beta and yep same problem remains: many pages and few liens per page
> when I tried to pint text field.
> 
> I send private email to Kevin about that too.

Yes, we're looking for this - tracking down printer problems is not much
fun.

Could everyone with that problem please send me a list of what platforms it
occurs on, what printers it occurs on, what printers it does not occur on,
and a copy of a stack with a single field in it that has the problem.  I
need all that information to find common ground here, from as many people as
possible.

If you could place all of that information in a single email with the
subject "Printer problem" without any other background information that
would be really helpful.  Thanks in advance!

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
Tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165.  Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707.



From Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi  Mon Feb 10 07:10:01 2003
From: Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Esa_Kivel=E4?=)
Date: Mon Feb 10 07:10:01 2003
Subject: VS: That oleer printing problem again
Message-ID: <961D94BBE7448D4C8E4440CB7920D9E02AD649@ktk7.ad.kuluttajatutkimuskeskus.fi>


> -----Alkuper?inen viesti-----
> L?hett?j?: Kevin Miller [mailto:kevin at runrev.com]
> L?hetetty: 10. helmikuuta 2003 13:52
> Vastaanottaja: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Aihe: Re: That oleer printing problem again
> 
> 
> On 10/2/03 6:37 am, Esa Kivel? <Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi> wrote:
> 
> > kevin an orrhers: btw dis You guys regonize at all my reply 
> to private an here
> > list, that ie. I have still that werid printing problem 
> wich pints many pages
> > and only few lines per page when You asked me to tell if I 
> have still that
> > problem. 
> > 
> > I replied but nothing replies after that.
> > 
> > Did you notified that pinting problems to RR 2.0? I have 
> tested that printin
> > in 2.0 pe beta and yep same problem remains: many pages and 
> few liens per page
> > when I tried to pint text field.
> > 
> > I send private email to Kevin about that too.
> 
> Yes, we're looking for this - tracking down printer problems 
> is not much
> fun.
> 
> Could everyone with that problem please send me a list of 
> what platforms it
> occurs on, what printers it occurs on, what printers it does 
> not occur on,
> and a copy of a stack with a single field in it that has the 
> problem.  I
> need all that information to find common ground here, from as 
> many people as
> possible.

Ai ai SIR :-)

Platform: Windows 2000, printter is RICOH Aficio 1045

I'll send copy of stack to You via private email asap.

EsaK
 


From jhurley at infostations.com  Mon Feb 10 07:18:00 2003
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Mon Feb 10 07:18:00 2003
Subject: Stored images
In-Reply-To: <200302100401.XAA25893@www.runrev.com>
References: <200302100401.XAA25893@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05010401ba6d3f50f45c@[66.81.48.12]>

>
>--__--__--
>
>Message: 11
>Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 16:18:32 -0800
>Subject: Re: Storing images
>From: Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com>
>To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>Reply-To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>
>Excellent! I've added this to the wiki at:
>
><http://wiki.macitworks.com/revdocs/ShowingImagesAtMultipleSizes>
>
>If anyone has any additions, refinements, comments, etc., you are all
>able to edit the page freely (no login required). Jim, if you don't
>want it there, feel free to delete it.
>
>gc

Geoff,

Thank you for the kind words and for providing  this service.

I have a couple of addenda to my addendum. I thought I would just put 
them on the wiki. (What does wiki stand for? BTW, I am woefully 
deficient in modern acronyms. YCTODNA--you can't teach an old dog new 
acronyms.) But I noticed password requirements on wiki. How does that 
work?

I should like to add two utilities which take much of the tedium out 
of using a substack to store images to be used as button  icons in 
the main stack.

When you  do this you have a mess of images in one place to be 
matched with image ids located in another place. Very messy and prone 
to error. To simplify, place buttons (of any size--size will be taken 
care of in a preOpenCard handler) and give them the *same* 
(identical) name as the image in the substack. When you are finished 
with the stack run the following setUp utility to match buttons icons 
with image ids:

On setUp
   --A utility to assign the proper image ids in the substack
   -- to the corresponding button in the main stack.

   Lock screen
   repeat with i =1 to the number of cards
     --First get the button name on cards in the main stack
     set the defaultstack to "images"
     go to card i
     repeat with j = 1 to the number of buttons
       put the short name of button j into tButtonName
       --and then go to the substack to get the image id of the
       --image with the same name.
       set the defaultstack to "imagesSubstack"
       if there is an image tButtonName then put the id of image 
tButtonName into tImageID
       --Return to the card button and set its icon to that id,
       --thereby linking the image in the substack to the
       --stack card button of the same name.
       set the defaultstack to "images"
       set the icon of button j to tImageID
     end repeat
   end repeat
   unlock screen
end setUp

And one last (?) utility. You may automate the task of assigning 
width and height properties to the images stored in the  substack 
with the following setImageSizeProperties:


on setImageSizeProperties
   --Utility to set the image size properties (imageSize). First size 
the images using their handles.
   --Run this in the substack.
   repeat with i = 1 to the number of controls
     put the name of control i into tControlName
     if "image" is word 1 of tControlName then
       put the width of image tControlName & comma & \
       the height of image tControlName into tSizeProperty
       set the imageSize of image tControlName to tSizeProperty
     end if
   end repeat
end setImageSizeProperties


And one last caution. In the main stack run as a OpenStack command: 
Start using stack "imagesSubstack"

I confess I don't understand why this is necessary. I had assumed 
that scripts in any substack of the main stack were accessible. But 
apparently not. Any help out there on this issue?

And just so all this info is in one place I will repeat the primary 
utility used in the stack script of the substack

on resizeImage theImage,theRatio
   --Reset the image size on the substack card to the desired size
   set the defaultStack to "imagesSubstack"
   put the imageSize of image theImage into theImageSize
   set the width of image theImage to theRatio*item 1 of theImageSize
   set the height of image theImage to theRatio* item 2 of theImageSize
   --Set the button size to fit the image size
   set the defaultstack to "images"
   set the width of button theImage to 1.05*theRatio*item 1 of (theImageSize)
   set the height of button theImage to 1.05*theRatio*item 2 of (theImageSize)
end resizeImage

And finally, the  preOpenCard script on every image-carrying card:

On PreOpenCard
   resizeImage "myImageOne" , 1.2 --image name and magnification
   resizeImage "myImageTwo" , 0.7
--etc.
end PreOpenCard

Anyone who wants a demo stack is  welcome to it.

And if there is no problem in keeping the images in a separate file, 
it is  easier to just reference the stored image file. But with these 
utilities it isn't as bad as it might be to keep images stack-bound.

Rather far down on my wish list: Allow icons to be assigned by image 
name as will as id.

Whew!

Jim


From Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi  Mon Feb 10 07:21:00 2003
From: Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Esa_Kivel=E4?=)
Date: Mon Feb 10 07:21:00 2003
Subject: VS: That oleer printing problem again
Message-ID: <961D94BBE7448D4C8E4440CB7920D9E02AD64B@ktk7.ad.kuluttajatutkimuskeskus.fi>


> -----Alkuper?inen viesti-----
> L?hett?j?: Kevin Miller [mailto:kevin at runrev.com]
> L?hetetty: 10. helmikuuta 2003 13:52
> Vastaanottaja: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Aihe: Re: That oleer printing problem again
> 
> 
> On 10/2/03 6:37 am, Esa Kivel? <Esa.Kivela at ncrc.fi> wrote:
> 
> > kevin an orrhers: btw dis You guys regonize at all my reply 
> to private an here
> > list, that ie. I have still that werid printing problem 
> wich pints many pages
> > and only few lines per page when You asked me to tell if I 
> have still that
> > problem. 
> > 
> > I replied but nothing replies after that.
> > 
> > Did you notified that pinting problems to RR 2.0? I have 
> tested that printin
> > in 2.0 pe beta and yep same problem remains: many pages and 
> few liens per page
> > when I tried to pint text field.
> > 
> > I send private email to Kevin about that too.
> 
> Yes, we're looking for this - tracking down printer problems 
> is not much
> fun.
> 
> Could everyone with that problem please send me a list of 
> what platforms it
> occurs on, what printers it occurs on, what printers it does 
> not occur on,
> and a copy of a stack with a single field in it that has the 
> problem.  I
> need all that information to find common ground here, from as 
> many people as
> possible.

Kevin: just send that simply stack to You via private email.

EsaK 


From heather at runrev.com  Mon Feb 10 07:42:00 2003
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Williams)
Date: Mon Feb 10 07:42:00 2003
Subject: T-shirt design competition
Message-ID: <BA6D4D7A.C754%heather@runrev.com>

Greetings, all. 

Not for the first time, it has been suggested that we sell Rev
merchandising, through the CafePress site. While this is a good idea, the
bottleneck has been getting a suitable design to upload. We are reluctant to
take any graphic design staff off working on 2.0 in order to create
T-shirts. So... I hereby declare the design competition to create the
ultimate Runrev T-shirt open. Ideally, we're looking for a design that can
be used on T-shirts, mugs, caps, whatever you all want to buy.

Some rudimentary rules:

You must send your design to me, heather at runrev.com, NOT to this list. Any
attachments sent to this list will be automatically disqualified, since I
will not get them.

We need the design to arrive in a format that can be directly uploaded to
cafepress. You can check out their requirements and some excellent image
advice here:

http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/help/images.aspx

Whilst, obviously, we do have the equipment and expertise to render your
images into the right format, it would mean taking time from our work on
2.0.

The deadline is Mon, February the 24th. That gives you two weeks. If you
think this isn't going to be long enough, let me know.

Feel free to incorporate the Runrev logo in your design.

When I have all the eligible entries, I will upload them and post a url for
you to view them. Voting will then commence on the entries, and the most
popular one will win. Note, the entries will go through preliminary
screening by the Runrev team, and any we really think are unsuitable will be
discarded before I post the url.

If you are about to email me a bitmap attachment or some such file that is
over 5mb, please, please, email me first.

And the prize....

What? You want something more than the honour and privilege of winning and
seeing your design worn by all your noble colleagues? Oh, all right then.

A free renewal of your Revolution license when it falls due, or a free Small
Business Edition if you don't already have a license, plus one free t-shirt.

Have fun!

Regards,

Heather
-- 
Heather Williams <heather at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Ltd.
Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707
Revolution: Designing the future



From cowhead at mac.com  Mon Feb 10 09:04:01 2003
From: cowhead at mac.com (mark mitchell)
Date: Mon Feb 10 09:04:01 2003
Subject: applescript for keyboard input
In-Reply-To: <200302071702.MAA08915@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <00E30AA8-3D00-11D7-BF2F-0030656DAB8E@mac.com>

I looking for an applescript that will switch the input to and from 
Kotoeri (Japanese input).  Kotoeri is a keyboard choice in the finder, 
so any applescript which switches among keyboards would probably work 
fine.  I have some fields that require Japanese inputs and others that 
require English, so it would be nice if I could automatically switch the 
input depending on the selected field.  (Right now I only need mac, but 
for the future, if anyone has a windows solution as well....:-))
Thanks,

mark mitchell
Japan



From jhurley at infostations.com  Mon Feb 10 09:23:01 2003
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Mon Feb 10 09:23:01 2003
Subject: Storing images
In-Reply-To: <200302101211.HAA04865@www.runrev.com>
References: <200302101211.HAA04865@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05010402ba6d627b39ea@[66.81.32.59]>

>
>Message: 1
>Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 19:21:13 -1000
>Subject: Re: Storing images
>From: Sannyasin Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org>
>To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>Reply-To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>
>
>On Sunday, February 9, 2003, at 01:25 PM, Jim Hurley wrote:
>
>  > put the imageSize of image theImage into theImageSize
>  >   set the width of image theImage to theMagnification*item 1 of
>  > theImageSize
>>    set the height of image theImage to theMagnification* item 2 of
>>  theImageSize
>
>Very nice simplification, Jim:
>
>Question: I haven't tested lately, but if you resize that image once,
>say, a 50 percent reduction. Then later if  you apply a .5 to it again,
>don't you end up with an image 1/4 the original size?  That's why i was
>doing the restore business.
>
>--__--__--


Sannyasin,

Actually it was your introduction of the  image size property that 
gave me the idea. Being an old FORTRAN programer, I never made 
effective use of this ability in RR, always making do with the 
construction of global variables to do the job. But a property is a 
global variable without all the overhead (declaring it global 
everywhere you use it.)

So if you use your resizeImage handler and reference the *fixed* 
image size *property* rather than the current image size in the 
substack you needn't worry about past actions on the image.

Jim
-- 
Jim Hurley


From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Feb 10 11:12:01 2003
From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel)
Date: Mon Feb 10 11:12:01 2003
Subject: Field text styles
Message-ID: <p05100302ba6d78f7db92@[62.30.171.89]>

I realise this is a dumb question, but if I create a field and set 
its text via the Development Environment to say (18 point bold, red, 
centered, 3D Box), when I actually put a value in it via say

  put format("%05.2f",gSomeValue) into fld "myCoolDisplay"

all the formatting is lost, and I get the font and styles which the 
field had when it was created.

Do I have to reset these styles every time I put a value in the 
field, or is there a better way?

Can't find anything in the usual sources, but it is hard to know what 
keywords to use.

TIA

Graham
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------
          Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France


From valetia at mac.com  Mon Feb 10 11:29:01 2003
From: valetia at mac.com (valetia at mac.com)
Date: Mon Feb 10 11:29:01 2003
Subject: Multi-user stacks on servers?
In-Reply-To: <ECD6D6CD-3CB9-11D7-A036-003065FB9830@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <BA6E0F7A.1EEF4%valetia@mac.com>

> I am interested  in see what we can do without using an external
> multi-user dBase, sticking with Rev stack (s), as a data respository
> (s) on a server, with multi-user access.

We are also interested in storing data on a stack on a server, in our case
the data would be accessed and updated using faceless CGI scripts (on the
same server).

Our concerns are similar: what happens if the stack needs to be updated
simultaneously by different users running instances of the faceless CGI
script?

Will RR know to automatically queue all pending requests until the current
one is completed, so that all updates succeed automatically while not
corrupting the stack?

Valetia



From jeanne at runrev.com  Mon Feb 10 11:42:01 2003
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Mon Feb 10 11:42:01 2003
Subject: Field text styles
In-Reply-To: <p05100302ba6d78f7db92@[62.30.171.89]>
Message-ID: <v03130352ba6d83c78387@[10.0.1.2]>

At 8:07 AM -0800 2/10/03, Graham Samuel wrote:
>I realise this is a dumb question, but if I create a field and set
>its text via the Development Environment to say (18 point bold, red,
>centered, 3D Box), when I actually put a value in it via say
>
>  put format("%05.2f",gSomeValue) into fld "myCoolDisplay"
>
>all the formatting is lost, and I get the font and styles which the
>field had when it was created.
>
>Do I have to reset these styles every time I put a value in the
>field, or is there a better way?

There are two ways:

1) Set the font information of the field itself, rather than its text.
(This is the best way if all the text in the field will always be 18-point
bold red.) Select the field, then choose your font choices from the Text
menu (or use the Text palette).

2) Instead of using put, set the htmlText of the field, so you can include
style information. (This is a good way if you only want some of the text to
be 18-point bold red.) Here's an example that sets line 2 of the field:

  set the htmlText of field "myCoolDisplay" to \
     the htmlText of line 1 of field "myCoolDisplay" \
     & "<p><font size=18 color=red><b>" \
     & format("%05.2f",gSomeValue) \
     & "</b></font></p>" \
     & the htmlText of line 3 to -1 of field "myCoolDisplay"

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From wagenseller at mac.com  Mon Feb 10 11:49:01 2003
From: wagenseller at mac.com (Steve Wagenseller)
Date: Mon Feb 10 11:49:01 2003
Subject: Stored images
In-Reply-To: <a05010401ba6d3f50f45c@[66.81.48.12]>
Message-ID: <403EEF64-3D15-11D7-B0F5-000393B9EA0E@mac.com>


On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 02:15  AM, Jim Hurley wrote:

> I have a couple of addenda to my addendum. I thought I would just put 
> them on the wiki. (What does wiki stand for? BTW, I am woefully 
> deficient in modern acronyms. YCTODNA--you can't teach an old dog new 
> acronyms.)

Surprisingly, I can answer that one. It's not an acronym:  "Wiki" in 
Hawaiian means "quick." Usually it is used doubled to indicate urgency, 
as in "Eh, bra, bring me one beer, wiki wiki, befoah da game stahts!"

The Wikipedia, or quick encyclopedia, appropriated the term.

S. Wagenseller
(Honolulu)
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From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Feb 10 12:31:01 2003
From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel)
Date: Mon Feb 10 12:31:01 2003
Subject: Field text styles
Message-ID: <p05100303ba6d90dd791c@[62.30.171.89]>

On  wrote: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 08:37:29 -0800, "Jeanne A. E. DeVoto" 
<jeanne at runrev.com> wrote:
>
>There are two ways:
>
>[then very useful stuff to be stored in my personal 'hints and tips' folder.


Thanks very much for the quick reply. I would not be able to do Revo 
development at all without the good people on this list.

Graham

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------
          Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Feb 10 12:50:01 2003
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon Feb 10 12:50:01 2003
Subject: Stored images
References: <200302101701.MAA11136@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3E47E56F.9020305@hyperactivesw.com>

Jim Hurley <jhurley at infostations.com> wrote:

> And just so all this info is in one place I will repeat the primary 
> utility used in the stack script of the substack
> 
> on resizeImage theImage,theRatio
>    --Reset the image size on the substack card to the desired size
>    set the defaultStack to "imagesSubstack"
>    put the imageSize of image theImage into theImageSize
>    set the width of image theImage to theRatio*item 1 of theImageSize
>    set the height of image theImage to theRatio* item 2 of theImageSize

Actually, it isn't even necessary to store the original image size in a 
custom property. Rev will automatically save the size so that the script 
doesn't have to track it. The formattedwidth and formattedheight of the 
image retain the original dimensions. You can use those properties to 
get the original size, and toss out a few lines of extra scripting besides:

set the width of image theImage to theRatio*the formattedWidth of img 
theImage
set the height of image theImage to theRatio*the formattedHeight of img 
theImage

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From cowhead at mac.com  Mon Feb 10 13:27:01 2003
From: cowhead at mac.com (mark mitchell)
Date: Mon Feb 10 13:27:01 2003
Subject: storing images
In-Reply-To: <200302070652.BAA28661@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BBBC7F44-3D24-11D7-BF2F-0030656DAB8E@mac.com>

Someone wrote:

"Put image 3 into image 4"

This does not work for me.  I tried both with images pointing to an 
image stored elsewhere (outside of rev) and for images stored in the 
stack.  All I get is a white or gray image.  What am I doing wrong? (Mac 
OS 10.15)

Sannyassin wrote:

> When leaving the card the images are resized to their
> original size so that any subsequent ratio changes for usage in other
> contexts are always working from the known original size

I wouldn't worry or bother about all this.  You can save this and the 
whole custom property hassle with a simple:

on preopenCard
set the height of image Whatever of card whatever of stack 
whateverSubstack to the height of button 1
set the width etc
set the icon of button 1 to image whatever
end preopenCard

If the images are not all the same size or are not all proportional (as 
mine usually aren't) you can resize them proportionally and keep them 
within the limits of the buttons using something like this:

if (the height of image "goat")>(the width of image "goat") then
     put (the height of button "dog")/(the height of image "goat") into 
resizeFactor
   else
     put (the width of button "dog")/(the width of image "goat") into 
resize Factor
   end if
   put (the height of image "goat") * resizeFactor into newHeight
   put (the width of image "goat") * resizeFactor into newWide
   set the height of image "goat" to newHeight
   set the width of image "goat" to newwide


mark mitchell
Japan



From cowhead at mac.com  Mon Feb 10 13:53:00 2003
From: cowhead at mac.com (mark mitchell)
Date: Mon Feb 10 13:53:00 2003
Subject: more image storing
In-Reply-To: <200302100401.XAA25893@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4AD3D1F8-3D28-11D7-BF2F-0030656DAB8E@mac.com>

Jim wrote:

> The button whose icon is the image is also resized to just fit (just
> a little bit extra--1.05--makes for a little better appearance)
> around the image as a border. You can have your cake and a border too.

Funny how we think differently.  I have always achieved the same effect 
by setting the image size to the size of the button then Minus a bit.  
This keeps the visible buttons the same size as your initial layout.  
Usually 5 is sufficient to subtract.  But the actual amount you need to 
subtract depends on how large a border your button has. Buttons can be 
set to have thick borders, and colored too, which make nice image 
'frames'.

mark mitchell
Japan



From zelston at aol.com  Mon Feb 10 13:54:48 2003
From: zelston at aol.com (Zac Elston)
Date: Mon Feb 10 13:54:48 2003
Subject: selecting a group
In-Reply-To: <200302101701.MAA11136@www.runrev.com>
References: <200302101701.MAA11136@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3E47F3F6.6000008@aol.com>

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From kevin at runrev.com  Mon Feb 10 14:08:01 2003
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Mon Feb 10 14:08:01 2003
Subject: unicode in pre-beta
In-Reply-To: <F66CBFFE-3878-11D7-8B5C-000393AD9396@pixelmedia.com.au>
Message-ID: <BA6DA82F.11342%kevin@runrev.com>

On 4/2/03 7:43 pm, Igor de Oliveira Couto <info at pixelmedia.com.au> wrote:

> I have been working on an
> Esperanto stack, a language which uses characters such as c+circumflex
> (c?), g+circumflex (g?), and u+breve (u?) among others. All these have to
> be typed with the 'US Extended' keyboard layout in MacOS X (10.2).

Can I just confirm, these aren't unicode characters, and this problem
existed in 1.1.1?  This is something you need to script a library around.
 
> I believe the problem is that a lot of the 'internal' text routines in
> Revolution are actually handled by scripts, and transcript does not
> seem to REALLY be able to handle Unicode. Try this: type a sentence
> which uses these 'funny' international characters which can only be
> typed with the US Extended keyboard. Then, in the text section of the
> inspector, try CHANGING THE CASE (to something like "Title Case"). You
> will notice that not only do your international characters disappear,
> but also that you will get UppeRcase letters right in the middle of
> your words - where the international characters once were...

This doesn't sound like it is related to unicode here - the change case
function is designed only to work with English at this time.  Unfortunately
we haven't got any plans to change that in time for 2.0, this is something
you can script your way around easily.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
Tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165.  Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707.



From alrice at ARCplanning.com  Mon Feb 10 14:14:01 2003
From: alrice at ARCplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Mon Feb 10 14:14:01 2003
Subject: Multi-user stacks on servers?
In-Reply-To: <BA6E0F7A.1EEF4%valetia@mac.com>
Message-ID: <372AE7DE-3D2B-11D7-8FB6-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>

On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 09:24  AM, valetia at mac.com wrote:
>
> Will RR know to automatically queue all pending requests until the 
> current
> one is completed, so that all updates succeed automatically while not
> corrupting the stack?

Sounds like you need an actual relational database with transactional 
capabilities. Like PostgreSQL or OpenBase or something.

A Rev CGI app cannot queue anything because many instances of the Rev 
CGI app can be running simultaneously all trying to access the same 
data stack. There is no single process in charge of handling conflicts. 
The best you could do is file locking or some other write-locking 
signals to prevent conflicts. That's not a good solution. You really 
need a client-server setup with an actual transactional database on the 
backend. This is not something specific to Rev, it's just the nature of 
CGI apps.

If someone were to write something in Rev along these lines, I would 
start by looking at Python/Zope/ZODB. ZODB is a transactional object 
database written all in Python (a scripting language). In order to 
achieve this you must necessarily run a persistent server process 
(daemon) for the backend data store. You cannot do it via CGI alone.

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From soapdog at mac.com  Mon Feb 10 14:38:00 2003
From: soapdog at mac.com (Andre Garzia)
Date: Mon Feb 10 14:38:00 2003
Subject: T-shirt design competition
In-Reply-To: <BA6D4D7A.C754%heather@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <41F09A1F-3D92-11D7-B9BA-00039387AE90@mac.com>

>

Heather,

i am all excited with this competition, and i do have one question.
RunRev folks will sell thru cafepress so we'll be able to buy from 
shirts to drinkwear.
drinkwear design space is much smaller than shirts design space, so can 
we enter the
contest with specific entries like:
andre garzia entrie for clock.png
andre garzia entrie for tshirt.png

it would give us more power (power to the designerrrr!!!) to create and 
the end product will
be better, we'll not think "hell this stamp would be better big on a 
tshirt and not this small on a
clock"

that of course leads to contest winner problems since there are 
different categories, and i think
RunRev will not give that many licenses, but it still be good to have 
specific desings...

cheers


>
Andre Alves Garzia ? 2002 ? BRAZIL
mailto://soapdog at mac.com



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Mon Feb 10 15:16:01 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Mon Feb 10 15:16:01 2003
Subject: Dealing with the dictionary
In-Reply-To: <200302101701.MAA11122@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA6D4C5C.6C25%pixelbird@interisland.net>

Hi list,

When I'm at home on my boat, I work on my PB 1400c. I can develop in Rev,
but it doesn't have (and can't get) enough memory to open the docs, so I
assigned a formatted CF card as Virtual Memory in order to keep it from
crashing. However, when I open the dictionary, it slows the whole system to
a crawl. Takes 5 minutes to just to quit Rev for example (no kidding)! Even
screen redraws happen so slow its like painting my hull.

Something about the docs, specifically the dictionary, is taking a really
HUGE chunk of RAM memory. How much does it use, and why?

What can I do?

Is there a way to separate out the docs and make them accessible as a
standalone with the cards accessible from an external HD or something. That
is, cards as HD data with no big RAM penalty?

I can't buy another PB anytime soon, so I'd like to find a solution to this
problem.

TIA,
Ken N.




From bvg at mac.com  Mon Feb 10 16:26:01 2003
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Mon Feb 10 16:26:01 2003
Subject: storing images
In-Reply-To: <BBBC7F44-3D24-11D7-BF2F-0030656DAB8E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <9AE0D167-3D3D-11D7-8363-003065AD94A4@mac.com>

On Montag, Feb 10, 2003, at 19:23 Europe/Zurich, mark mitchell wrote:

> Someone wrote:
>
> "Put image 3 into image 4"
>
> This does not work for me.  I tried both with images pointing to an 
> image stored elsewhere (outside of rev) and for images stored in the 
> stack.  All I get is a white or gray image.  What am I doing wrong? 
> (Mac OS 10.15)

from a previous email:

put into:
put image "foo" into image "bar"

This will empty (grey) the image "bar", when the original image is a 
referenced image (contains something in the "filepath").
If the Image "foo" is an imported image, or a reference to another 
image within the stack, then this will copy the image. Thus, when you 
delete the image "foo" then image "bar" will remain unchanged. If the 
lockLoc of "bar" is true, then the image will scale to the size of 
"bar", otherwise it will resize to the size of the original image.



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Feb 10 16:31:01 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon Feb 10 16:31:01 2003
Subject: Another printing question
In-Reply-To: <p05100300ba6d1dd07110@[62.30.171.89]>
Message-ID: <BA6D592C.25DFE%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

Graham Samuel wrote:

> As I said before, I'm just trying to make my app behave like
> thousands of others on these platforms as far as printing is
> concerned. A typical app allows  'Page Setup' at any point in the
> program, and 'Print' when you actually want to initiate printing. In
> many apps, the 'Page Setup' settings are remembered across
> invocations of the program, although I admit this is not so
> consistent but rather depends on the app.

I tried seeing what I couyld find in the Win HIG documents at MSDN, but alas
came up empty.

If anyone cam find a URL to MS's recommendations for printing UI I'd be very
grateful.

-- 
 Richard Gaskin 
 Fourth World Media Corporation
 Developer of WebMerge 2.2: Publish any database on any site
 ___________________________________________________________
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 Tel: 323-225-3717                       AIM: FourthWorldInc



From info at pixelmedia.com.au  Mon Feb 10 16:45:00 2003
From: info at pixelmedia.com.au (Igor de Oliveira Couto)
Date: Mon Feb 10 16:45:00 2003
Subject: unicode in pre-beta
In-Reply-To: <BA6DA82F.11342%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <0DD87792-3D40-11D7-B966-000393AD9396@pixelmedia.com.au>

Kevin,

On Tuesday, February 11, 2003, at 06:04  AM, Kevin Miller wrote:

> Can I just confirm, these aren't unicode characters, and this problem
> existed in 1.1.1?  This is something you need to script a library 
> around.
>

Please, clarify: if these are NOT unicode characters, how come it was 
IMPOSSIBLE to access them under Rev 1.1.1? - it is not possible to type 
these characters unless you are using the 'US EXTENDED' keyboard 
layout, which could NOT be selected at all in Rev 1.1.1. I believed 
that this keyboard enabled access to characters which are defined and 
encoded under Unicode fonts, but not under ASCII - perhaps I am wrong.

If these character are not Unicode, and indeed there is a way to access 
them under Rev 1.1.1, it would be wonderful if you could give us some 
hints!

> This doesn't sound like it is related to unicode here - the change case
> function is designed only to work with English at this time.  
> Unfortunately
> we haven't got any plans to change that in time for 2.0, this is 
> something
> you can script your way around easily.

If this is such a simple matter, may I suggest that YOU then take the 
time and implement it. We have waited long enough for 2.0, I am sure 
that this little bit of extra time that will take you to implement this 
function WITHOUT caveats will be greatly appreciated by all.

Kindest Regards,
--
Igor
----------------------------------
igor at pixelmedia.com.au
----------------------------------



From smilingeyes at mac.com  Mon Feb 10 17:51:01 2003
From: smilingeyes at mac.com (Ray Bennett)
Date: Mon Feb 10 17:51:01 2003
Subject: Configuration Management of built apps
Message-ID: <89BBAC91-3D49-11D7-A972-0030657E2BD2@mac.com>

If this has been asked before, I missed it, so apologies in advance if 
that's the case...

Now that I'm building standalones, its becoming pretty obvious that a 
lightweight configuraion management tool would be handy (for Unix 
folks, I'm looking for something like sccs for humans).   Something 
like this ultimately should accompany the distribution builder, but...

Have any of you built such a tool?  Something that easily and 
conveniently allows me to track versions of files and stacks included 
in a build, etc.?

Thanks in advance,
Ray



From diskot123 at juno.com  Mon Feb 10 17:53:01 2003
From: diskot123 at juno.com (Tuviah M Snyder)
Date: Mon Feb 10 17:53:01 2003
Subject: applescript for keyboard input
Message-ID: <20030210.174716.1648.2.diskot123@juno.com>

Rev 2.0 will do this for you. Set the textfont of the field to
"osaka,japanese"

Tuviah Snyder <tuviah at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development


From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 10 18:42:01 2003
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (erik hansen)
Date: Mon Feb 10 18:42:01 2003
Subject: Home stack
In-Reply-To: <a05010406ba6aab8ee55a@[66.81.34.24]>
Message-ID: <20030210233737.40468.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Jim Hurley <jhurley at infostations.com> wrote:

> A minor addendum to Jan's suggestion. The
> following ritual works for 
> me--employing a suggestion from Jeanne. Put the
> stack that is to 
> masquerade as a home stack into the plug-in
> folder. Include in the 
> stack script:
> 
> on openStack
>    insert the script of  me into back
>    hide stack "MyPlugIn"
> end openStack
> 
> After opening the current stack of interest I
> go to the 
> Development/Plugins menu and select MyPlugIn.
> And there is the plugin 
> acting as background home stack, out of sight
> and (lurking 
> dangerously) out of mind. All relatively
> painless and, Jeanne tells 
> us, to become more so in 2.0.
> 
> I wonder if it would work as well to load the
> plugin before all other 
> stacks. Would its scripts then be available to
> all other loaded 
> subsequently? I am unclear of exactly what the
> plugin would be in 
> back of.

thanks, i do remember Jeanne's plugins plug, and
have examined Development/Plugins. "plugins" is
not a listing in the Dictionary, and i have no
idea what a plugin is!

putting the startup script into an openStack
handler in a card script or something like that
was explained, but i couldn't get it to work.

probably best to wait for 2.0 on this one.

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From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 10 18:45:01 2003
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (erik hansen)
Date: Mon Feb 10 18:45:01 2003
Subject: menus in 2.0
In-Reply-To: <00E30AA8-3D00-11D7-BF2F-0030656DAB8E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <20030210233944.76001.qmail@web20006.mail.yahoo.com>

would it be a good idea to wait for 2.0 before
creating new menus?

TIA

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From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Mon Feb 10 18:47:00 2003
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah)
Date: Mon Feb 10 18:47:00 2003
Subject: REQ: Switching between windows
In-Reply-To: <a05111a7bba6d3eb40c56@[192.168.0.100]>
Message-ID: <3B649EC7-3D51-11D7-9ECE-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

I have just submitted a plugin to the User Contributions section of the 
Rev website that allows you to assign scripts to function keys. One of 
the examples shows how to assign a menu item to a function key, so if 
you edit or copy that, you can make a function key do what you want. 
The plugin is called "FunKey" - yes, that is meant to be a joke :-)

Cheers,
Sarah

On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 09:34  pm, Curry wrote:

> I'd like to make a suggestion for Rev 2.0: A commandkey shortcut for 
> switching windows, assigned to the "send window to back" menu item.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Curry
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>




From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Mon Feb 10 18:51:00 2003
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah)
Date: Mon Feb 10 18:51:00 2003
Subject: selecting a group
In-Reply-To: <a05111ac6ba6da7edb5e1@[192.168.0.100]>
Message-ID: <BEFA18A4-3D51-11D7-9ECE-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

You will have to be more specific if you use this syntax. Your card 
obviously has multiple graphics and unless you specify that you are 
referring to a graphic by it's number within a group, when you ask for 
graphic Z or graphic X, it just takes the number as specifying how they 
are layered on the card. As far as I know, there is no way to set a 
"default group" so that every reference points to that group rather 
than the card in general.

Cheers,
Sarah

On Tuesday, February 11, 2003, at 05:03  am, Zac Elston wrote:

> here's another problem I can't understand.
>
> make a stack, make some things, group the things in two different 
> groups
> with 5 things (2 in xthings and 3 in zthings)
>
> on mouseup
>   put empty into mylist
>   repeat with X = 1 to the number of graphics in group "xthings"
>     put (X && the name of graphic X  && the ID of graphic X  && 
> return) after mylist
>   end repeat
>
>   repeat with Z = 1 to the number of graphics in group "zthings"
>     put (Z && the name of graphic Z  && the ID of graphic Z  && 
> return) after mylist
>   end repeat
>   answer mylist
> end mouseup
>
> the output looks like the group is switched since the number in the 
> first column is correct to the number of items in the group, bu the 
> name and ID is wrong.  It's like the request for graphic 1 is still 
> being made from the previous group.
>
> being specific solves this
>
> on mouseup
>   put empty into mylist
>   repeat with X = 1 to the number of graphics in group "xthings"
>     put (X && the name of graphic X of group "xthings" && the ID of 
> graphic X of group "xthings" && return) after mylist
>   end repeat
>
>   repeat with Z = 1 to the number of graphics in group "zthings"
>     put (Z && the name of graphic Z of group "zthings" && the ID of 
> graphic Z of group "zthings" && return) after mylist
>   end repeat
>   answer mylist
> end mouseup
>
>
> I'd really like to be able to just call an item in a group without 
> have to explictly reference the group.  is this possible?
>
> thanks
> -zac
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From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Mon Feb 10 18:58:00 2003
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah)
Date: Mon Feb 10 18:58:00 2003
Subject: Configuration Management of built apps
In-Reply-To: <a05111ae6ba6ddff5d792@[192.168.0.100]>
Message-ID: <13FBDCAE-3D52-11D7-9ECE-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

While it may not do everything you wanted, have you tried saving and 
opening distributions from the Distribution Builder? This stores your 
build config and even if you aren't building for Windows, you could use 
that section to record version numbers. I have found this a great time 
saver as I don't have to remember what to include and what settings to 
choose each time I do another build.

Cheers,
Sarah

On Tuesday, February 11, 2003, at 09:02  am, Ray Bennett wrote:

> If this has been asked before, I missed it, so apologies in advance if 
> that's the case...
>
> Now that I'm building standalones, its becoming pretty obvious that a 
> lightweight configuraion management tool would be handy (for Unix 
> folks, I'm looking for something like sccs for humans).   Something 
> like this ultimately should accompany the distribution builder, but...
>
> Have any of you built such a tool?  Something that easily and 
> conveniently allows me to track versions of files and stacks included 
> in a build, etc.?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Ray
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>




From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Mon Feb 10 19:08:01 2003
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Mon Feb 10 19:08:01 2003
Subject: Configuration Management of built apps
In-Reply-To: <89BBAC91-3D49-11D7-A972-0030657E2BD2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <FLEGJBMJADGKMCHIMFOHGEHKCOAA.monte@sweattechnologies.com>

I've been thinking along these lines too. What features are you looking for?
One problem is you can't just compare files because that would require
reverse engineering the stack file format. Perhaps you just want to be able
to get a list of the properties of each stack/stack file that have been
modified since the last build?

I've started putting together requirements for a fairly comprehensive
Project Manager for rev I just need the time/funding to put in together.

Anyway I'm interested to know what your thoughts are about requirements for
such an animal.

Cheers

Monte

>
> If this has been asked before, I missed it, so apologies in advance if
> that's the case...
>
> Now that I'm building standalones, its becoming pretty obvious that a
> lightweight configuraion management tool would be handy (for Unix
> folks, I'm looking for something like sccs for humans).   Something
> like this ultimately should accompany the distribution builder, but...
>
> Have any of you built such a tool?  Something that easily and
> conveniently allows me to track versions of files and stacks included
> in a build, etc.?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Ray
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From alrice at ARCplanning.com  Mon Feb 10 19:29:01 2003
From: alrice at ARCplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Mon Feb 10 19:29:01 2003
Subject: Configuration Management of built apps
In-Reply-To: <FLEGJBMJADGKMCHIMFOHGEHKCOAA.monte@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <44FCD057-3D57-11D7-8FB6-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>

On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 05:03  PM, Monte Goulding wrote:
> I've started putting together requirements for a fairly comprehensive
> Project Manager for rev I just need the time/funding to put in 
> together.
>
> Anyway I'm interested to know what your thoughts are about 
> requirements for
> such an animal.

Once worked with IBM Visual Age for Java. Other than being slow and 
using a monstrous amount of RAM, it was a pretty cool IDE. Every 
resource in the project was version controlled, automatically. No 
messing with CVS or anything. So in the course of developing your 
project, it would create a Library with the entire history of changes 
documented and you could revert or visit snapshots at any step of the 
way. This type of functionality, and also a nice "diff" viewer for 
scripts would definitely get my $.

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From rpresender at earthlink.net  Mon Feb 10 19:30:01 2003
From: rpresender at earthlink.net (Robert Presender)
Date: Mon Feb 10 19:30:01 2003
Subject: User info -posted again
Message-ID: <661B02BC-3D57-11D7-B03E-000393A19046@earthlink.net>

Hi,
  This is a repost of my post of last Sunday.  I assume that this is not 
a no no since it is used widely on the net.

It is noted that in registration forms, the user's name and email
address are pre-inserted.

Would appreciate info as to how such info is obtained. Would like to
use in a Rev/MC standalone.

TIA

Regards ...  Bob




From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Feb 10 19:40:01 2003
From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel)
Date: Mon Feb 10 19:40:01 2003
Subject: How do I scan all the objects on a card?
Message-ID: <p05100300ba6df414c8d7@[62.30.171.89]>

In an attempt to do a kind of private Geometry Manager job so as to 
react to varying screen sizes, I want to scan every object on a 
particular card and do some processing on each one. This will be in a 
preOpenCard handler. The objects are graphics, images, buttons, 
groups. It looks as if the Revolution Development Environment does 
this but I can't see how. When I write for example

   repeat for each control sclTheControl of this card
     send "scpPlaceObject" to sclTheControl
   end repeat

I get a compile error for the first line of the repeat statement. I 
guess this is just my ignorance of Transcript, or maybe it could be 
more fundamental - can anyone point me in the right direction?

TIA

Graham
who one day hopes to answer other people's questions!

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------
          Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France


From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Mon Feb 10 19:56:01 2003
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Mon Feb 10 19:56:01 2003
Subject: How do I scan all the objects on a card?
In-Reply-To: <p05100300ba6df414c8d7@[62.30.171.89]>
Message-ID: <FLEGJBMJADGKMCHIMFOHGEHLCOAA.monte@sweattechnologies.com>

Try 

repeat with X=1 to the number of controls of this cd
  -- why not use the GM to save the hassle?
end repeat

Monte

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Graham Samuel
> Sent: Tuesday, 11 February 2003 11:06 AM
> To: Revolution user discussion
> Subject: How do I scan all the objects on a card?
> 
> 
> In an attempt to do a kind of private Geometry Manager job so as to 
> react to varying screen sizes, I want to scan every object on a 
> particular card and do some processing on each one. This will be in a 
> preOpenCard handler. The objects are graphics, images, buttons, 
> groups. It looks as if the Revolution Development Environment does 
> this but I can't see how. When I write for example
> 
>    repeat for each control sclTheControl of this card
>      send "scpPlaceObject" to sclTheControl
>    end repeat
> 
> I get a compile error for the first line of the repeat statement. I 
> guess this is just my ignorance of Transcript, or maybe it could be 
> more fundamental - can anyone point me in the right direction?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Graham
> who one day hopes to answer other people's questions!
> 
> -- 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
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From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Mon Feb 10 20:23:01 2003
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Mon Feb 10 20:23:01 2003
Subject: Configuration Management of built apps
In-Reply-To: <44FCD057-3D57-11D7-8FB6-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>
Message-ID: <FLEGJBMJADGKMCHIMFOHAEHMCOAA.monte@sweattechnologies.com>

>
> Once worked with IBM Visual Age for Java. Other than being slow and
> using a monstrous amount of RAM, it was a pretty cool IDE. Every
> resource in the project was version controlled, automatically. No
> messing with CVS or anything. So in the course of developing your
> project, it would create a Library with the entire history of changes
> documented and you could revert or visit snapshots at any step of the
> way. This type of functionality, and also a nice "diff" viewer for
> scripts would definitely get my $.
>

I'm not sure about automated history but it would certainly be possible to
store the changes in an objects properties (say at the end of every
session). Perhaps it would be best to let the user just take a snapshot of
all objects when they feel it would be useful? Personally I'd probably want
to link some notes to the snapshot.

One of the main things I'm looking at is distribution management. If I had
access to this kind of history data I could work out which files needed to
be distributed in an upgrade.

Monte



From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 10 20:48:01 2003
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (erik hansen)
Date: Mon Feb 10 20:48:01 2003
Subject: MIDI minders
In-Reply-To: <661B02BC-3D57-11D7-B03E-000393A19046@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20030211014347.49561.qmail@web20010.mail.yahoo.com>

to anyone working on MIDI conversions:

would you prefer to convert this:
60e 62e 64e 65e

or this:
60e 62 64 65

the first is easier to write an editor for
but the second looks easier to write MIDI for.


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From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 10 20:52:01 2003
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (erik hansen)
Date: Mon Feb 10 20:52:01 2003
Subject: How do I scan all the objects on a card?
In-Reply-To: <FLEGJBMJADGKMCHIMFOHGEHLCOAA.monte@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <20030211014754.69088.qmail@web20003.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Monte Goulding <monte at sweattechnologies.com>
wrote:
> 
> Try 
> 
> repeat with X=1 to the number of controls of
> this cd
>   -- why not use the GM to save the hassle?
> end repeat

View > Application Overview > little triangle

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From katir at hindu.org  Mon Feb 10 21:31:00 2003
From: katir at hindu.org (Sannyasin Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon Feb 10 21:31:00 2003
Subject: Stored images
In-Reply-To: <3E47E56F.9020305@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <58BC7D46-3D68-11D7-A036-003065FB9830@hindu.org>

Ha! Fantastic... what a great support group we have here! ;-)

On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 07:46 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Actually, it isn't even necessary to store the original image size in 
> a custom property. Rev will automatically save the size so that the 
> script doesn't have to track it. The formattedwidth and 
> formattedheight of the image retain the original dimensions. You can 
> use those properties to get the original size, and toss out a few 
> lines of extra scripting besides:
>
> set the width of image theImage to theRatio*the formattedWidth of img 
> theImage
> set the height of image theImage to theRatio*the formattedHeight of 
> img theImage
>



From katir at hindu.org  Mon Feb 10 21:35:01 2003
From: katir at hindu.org (Sannyasin Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon Feb 10 21:35:01 2003
Subject: Force refresh a  rotated, file referenced Image
Message-ID: <E3BCE77A-3D68-11D7-A036-003065FB9830@hindu.org>

I use the following to rotate jpegs, it works great... the only problem 
is that the interface doesn't update. The image is rotated and if I run 
a separate handler to show a different image in "CurrentImage" then 
come back to the image I rotated, it shows the new orientation in image 
"CurrentImage"

global gCurrentFolder, gLastLine
on mouseUp
   put gCurrentFolder & fld "currentImage" into jai
   put jai into tPath
   create image "Thumb"
   set the rect of image "thumb" to the rect of  image "currentImage"
   set the imagedata of image "thumb" to the imagedata of  image 
"currentImage"
   set the topleft of image "thumb" to 200,200
   set the angle of image "thumb" to -90
   export image "thumb" to URL ("binfile:"&jai)  as JPEG
   delete image "thumb"
   set the filename of image "currentImage" to jai
      ## but the image is not updated by the above line

end mouseup

is there a way to force refresh the image to the file path all in the 
same handler?


Sannyasin Sivakatirswami
Himalayan Academy Publications
at Kauai's Hindu Monastery
katir at hindu.org

www.HimalayanAcademy.com,
www.HinduismToday.com
www.Gurudeva.org
www.Hindu.org



From wortboiler at comcast.net  Mon Feb 10 22:06:01 2003
From: wortboiler at comcast.net (wortboiler FITZ)
Date: Mon Feb 10 22:06:01 2003
Subject: Custom property
Message-ID: <c24bec879a.c879ac24be@icomcast.net>

Let me know if you have not received an answer that you can grasp on 
the question of custom properties. God knows somehow it was pretty 
elusive from the explanations that I received. I finally did get one 
from someone that at least enabled me to use them to an extent. I can 
give you a bare minimum example that you can take off with.

mike

----- Original Message -----
From: Revinfo1155 at aol.com
Date: Sunday, February 9, 2003 1:13 pm
Subject: Custom property

> Could someone define a custom property and give me an example and 
> a "How to 
> set one up!"
> 
> Thanks much 
> Jack
> 



From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Mon Feb 10 22:14:02 2003
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Mon Feb 10 22:14:02 2003
Subject: Force refresh a  rotated, file referenced Image
In-Reply-To: <E3BCE77A-3D68-11D7-A036-003065FB9830@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <4E44F1AE-3D6E-11D7-B4CD-000393AEC28C@unimelb.edu.au>

On Tuesday, February 11, 2003, at 01:31 PM, Sannyasin Sivakatirswami 
wrote:

> I use the following to rotate jpegs, it works great... the only 
> problem is that the interface doesn't update. The image is rotated and 
> if I run a separate handler to show a different image in 
> "CurrentImage" then come back to the image I rotated, it shows the new 
> orientation in image "CurrentImage"
>
> global gCurrentFolder, gLastLine
> on mouseUp
>   put gCurrentFolder & fld "currentImage" into jai
>   put jai into tPath
>   create image "Thumb"
>   set the rect of image "thumb" to the rect of  image "currentImage"
>   set the imagedata of image "thumb" to the imagedata of  image 
> "currentImage"
>   set the topleft of image "thumb" to 200,200
>   set the angle of image "thumb" to -90
>   export image "thumb" to URL ("binfile:"&jai)  as JPEG
>   delete image "thumb"
>   set the filename of image "currentImage" to jai
>      ## but the image is not updated by the above line
>
> end mouseup
>
> is there a way to force refresh the image to the file path all in the 
> same handler?

Have you tried locking and unlocking the screen? If that doesn't work 
by itself then how about locking the screen doing a double switch on 
the file reference and then unlocking it.

Cheers,

Terry...


Dr Terry Judd
Biomedical Multimedia Unit
Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
The University of Melbourne
Parkville VIC 3052
AUSTRALIA



From switchedon at hsj.com  Mon Feb 10 22:30:01 2003
From: switchedon at hsj.com (switchedon at hsj.com)
Date: Mon Feb 10 22:30:01 2003
Subject: Resetting a scrolled field from another cd
In-Reply-To: <200302102343.SAA21369@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA6DD777.2FEF%switchedon@hsj.com>

I'm trying to reset a scrolling field to the top. When I'm on the card
containing the field I can scroll down using the mouse then run this line
from the message box...

  set the vscroll of fld "instructions text" to 0

...and, viola!, the field is scrolled to the top. If I try this from another
card as follows...

  set the vscroll of fld "instructions text" on cd "instructions" to 0

...the field refuses to reset to the top. What am I doing wrong?

In HyperCard I believe the line...

  put "" before fld "instructions text"

...would reset the fld but that doesn't seem to work either.

Any suggestions?

Cheers... Bill Lynn



From brad at activadesign.com  Mon Feb 10 22:37:00 2003
From: brad at activadesign.com (Bradley Borch)
Date: Mon Feb 10 22:37:00 2003
Subject: Flash integration
In-Reply-To: <200302110315.WAA28451@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <73EEA4F7-3D71-11D7-BA47-000393C824D2@activadesign.com>

Anybody using QuickTime/swf files in Rev? I've posted before, and, 
thanks, somebody was able to have a SWF file playing in SWF player send 
a message to a rev app. What I'm trying to do is have a swf file that's 
playing in a rev app send a message to the rev app when a button is 
clicked. This is possible in a web browser, with the swf file passing a 
getURL or FScommand message to JavaScript, or in a Director project, 
passing the same type of command to the lingo environment.

The getURL command is pretty straightforward, e.g. getURL("beep"). 
There must be some way to format this command. What is the method or 
format for passing a command from an XCMD to the rev environment?

TIA for any suggestions,

Brad



From jhurley at infostations.com  Mon Feb 10 22:47:01 2003
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Mon Feb 10 22:47:01 2003
Subject: Storing images
In-Reply-To: <200302102343.SAA21369@www.runrev.com>
References: <200302102343.SAA21369@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05010400ba6e085430aa@[66.81.48.139]>

>Jim Hurley wrote:
>
>>  And just so all this info is in one place I will repeat the primary
>>  utility used in the stack script of the substack
>>
>>  on resizeImage theImage,theRatio
>>     --Reset the image size on the substack card to the desired size
>>     set the defaultStack to "imagesSubstack"
>>     put the imageSize of image theImage into theImageSize
>>     set the width of image theImage to theRatio*item 1 of theImageSize
>>     set the height of image theImage to theRatio* item 2 of theImageSize
>
>Actually, it isn't even necessary to store the original image size in a
>custom property. Rev will automatically save the size so that the script
>doesn't have to track it. The formattedwidth and formattedheight of the
>image retain the original dimensions. You can use those properties to
>get the original size, and toss out a few lines of extra scripting besides:
>
>set the width of image theImage to theRatio*the formattedWidth of img
>theImage
>set the height of image theImage to theRatio*the formattedHeight of img
>theImage
>
>--
>Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
>HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


Jacqueline,

I was unaware of this. Thanks for the info.

It isn't exactly what I would like to use however. The formattedWidth 
(and height) appear to be the original width (and height) of the 
imported image. What I find useful is to rezise the images (using the 
handles) to a size which will be close to the "normal" size used 
throughout the stack. This makes  it much easier to choose a value 
for theRatio magnifier. The formattedWidth is often much larger than 
the sizes to be used in the stack, even substantially larger than the 
window.

There is some danger of distorting the proportions in this  hand 
operation. In this case using the formattedWidth (and Height) would 
be safer.

And I like the suggestion made by Mark Mitchell (below).

>
>  mark mitchell  wrote:
>Jim wrote:
>
>>  The button whose icon is the image is also resized to just fit (just
>>  a little bit extra--1.05--makes for a little better appearance)
>>  around the image as a border. You can have your cake and a border too.
>
>Funny how we think differently.  I have always achieved the same effect
>by setting the image size to the size of the button then Minus a bit. 
>This keeps the visible buttons the same size as your initial layout. 
>Usually 5 is sufficient to subtract.  But the actual amount you need to
>subtract depends on how large a border your button has. Buttons can be
>set to have thick borders, and colored too, which make nice image
>'frames'.
>
>mark mitchell
>Japan
>


In Mark's method one would size the button (using the handles) on a 
given card to be the desired size of the eventual image; this is 
usually the easiest way to make the adjustment, easier than 
experimenting with a magnifying factor.

There is a small potential problem with proportions however. If the 
hand chosen button proportions are not the  same as those of the 
image, the image will be distorted if one "sets the image size to the 
size of the button" (minus a little bit.)

What I thought one might do is position and size the button as best 
one can by hand and then, by script, adjust the button proportions to 
be the same proportions as the image and only then set the button 
icon to the image id.

So a revised resizeImage handler would look like this. (Where I have 
kept the button *width* fixed and adjusted the button height to fit 
the proportions of the incoming image.) (Remember, the button name 
must be the same as the image name.)

on resizeImageRevised theImage
   --First get the button width
   put the width of button theImage into theButtonWidth
   --Reset the image size on the substack card
   --so that it will fit inside the button without distortion.
   set the defaultStack to "imagesSubstack"
   put the imageSize of image theImage into theImageSize
   put item 1 of theImageSize into theNewImageWidth
   put theButtonWidth/theNewImageWidth into theRatio
   set the width of image theImage to .94*theRatio*item 1 of theImageSize
   set the height of image theImage to .94*theRatio* item 2 of theImageSize
   --Adjust the button height to match the proportions of the image.
   set the defaultstack to "images"
   set the height of button theImage to theRatio*item 2 of (theImageSize)
end resizeImageRevised

I use a 3D button. But there are many variations possible with border 
widths and colors as Mark suggested if the button is not 3D.

There are perhaps occasions where the previous resizeImage handler 
would be useful, occasions where the image might grow in size rather 
than be fixed to the button size.

For example, using the following OpenCard (not preOpenCard) handler:

on OpenCard
   repeat with growthFactor =1 to 30
     resizeImage "flame", 0.1 * growthFactor
   end repeat
end openCard

produces a flame image which swells to a "raging inferno" as the card 
is opened.

But I'm sure others will find their own variations on this theme.

Jim
-- 
Jim Hurley


From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Mon Feb 10 22:48:01 2003
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Mon Feb 10 22:48:01 2003
Subject: Resetting a scrolled field from another cd
In-Reply-To: <BA6DD777.2FEF%switchedon@hsj.com>
Message-ID: <FLEGJBMJADGKMCHIMFOHKEHOCOAA.monte@sweattechnologies.com>

> 
>   set the vscroll of fld "instructions text" on cd "instructions" to 0
> 
Try

set the vscroll of fld "instructions text" of cd "instructions" to 0

Monte


From smilingeyes at mac.com  Mon Feb 10 23:22:00 2003
From: smilingeyes at mac.com (Ray Bennett)
Date: Mon Feb 10 23:22:00 2003
Subject: Configuration Management of built apps
In-Reply-To: <FLEGJBMJADGKMCHIMFOHAEHMCOAA.monte@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <C8F01C48-3D77-11D7-A972-0030657E2BD2@mac.com>

My thoughts were, I guess, somewhere in the middle.

Sarah's suggestion of just keeping track of the configs in the 
Distribution Builder covers the major chunk of the code, and I hadn't 
thought of using the config settings as a sort of cm tool, but that 
makes sense.     But (and it may be that I just am not thinking right 
about how the Dist Bldr works) several of my stacks don't need to be 
"built" (template stacks and stacks which retain preference settings, 
for instance, but contain very little 'code').   So, slightly along the 
lines of the arcane sccs, I need a clean way to ensure that I've 
checked the latest versions of the templates into the "build" that I'm 
creating.

I wasn't really looking for the full monte (pun intended) of something 
like Visual Age, but if that existed, would clearly warrant a try.   I 
guess, then, Monte, my high-level objective statements might look 
(quickly) like this:

1st Objective:  tracking file/stack/substack revision 
date/time/changedby/changenotes easily. (oh, and size)

2nd Objective:  clean, easy-to-navigate object encyclopedia which shows 
created on/last modified/exists in or usedby/changenotes/changedby (and 
size)

3rd Objective:  build tracker, showing builds of projects by target 
platform (really what I'd like right now).  I'm not spun-in enough to 
do either of the first two,  but may end up taking a crack at the 3rd 
before too much longer if nothing pops up.

Thanks for the feedback.
Cheers,
Ray

On Monday, Feb 10, 2003, at 20:18 America/New_York, Monte Goulding 
wrote:

>
>>
>> Once worked with IBM Visual Age for Java. Other than being slow and
>> using a monstrous amount of RAM, it was a pretty cool IDE. Every
>> resource in the project was version controlled, automatically. No
>> messing with CVS or anything. So in the course of developing your
>> project, it would create a Library with the entire history of changes
>> documented and you could revert or visit snapshots at any step of the
>> way. This type of functionality, and also a nice "diff" viewer for
>> scripts would definitely get my $.
>>
>
> I'm not sure about automated history but it would certainly be 
> possible to
> store the changes in an objects properties (say at the end of every
> session). Perhaps it would be best to let the user just take a 
> snapshot of
> all objects when they feel it would be useful? Personally I'd probably 
> want
> to link some notes to the snapshot.
>
> One of the main things I'm looking at is distribution management. If I 
> had
> access to this kind of history data I could work out which files 
> needed to
> be distributed in an upgrade.
>
> Monte
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From bvg at mac.com  Tue Feb 11 00:09:01 2003
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Tue Feb 11 00:09:01 2003
Subject: Force refresh a  rotated, file referenced Image
In-Reply-To: <E3BCE77A-3D68-11D7-A036-003065FB9830@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <5708D844-3D7E-11D7-8363-003065AD94A4@mac.com>

You might try to go to the card (anew)
eg if there is only one card:
go to first card

or if there are other cards:
go to this card

On Dienstag, Feb 11, 2003, at 03:31 Europe/Zurich, Sannyasin 
Sivakatirswami wrote:

> I use the following to rotate jpegs, it works great... the only 
> problem is that the interface doesn't update. The image is rotated and 
> if I run a separate handler to show a different image in 
> "CurrentImage" then come back to the image I rotated, it shows the new 
> orientation in image "CurrentImage"
>
> global gCurrentFolder, gLastLine
> on mouseUp
>   put gCurrentFolder & fld "currentImage" into jai
>   put jai into tPath
>   create image "Thumb"
>   set the rect of image "thumb" to the rect of  image "currentImage"
>   set the imagedata of image "thumb" to the imagedata of  image 
> "currentImage"
>   set the topleft of image "thumb" to 200,200
>   set the angle of image "thumb" to -90
>   export image "thumb" to URL ("binfile:"&jai)  as JPEG
>   delete image "thumb"
>   set the filename of image "currentImage" to jai
>      ## but the image is not updated by the above line
>
> end mouseup
>
> is there a way to force refresh the image to the file path all in the 
> same handler?
>
>
> Sannyasin Sivakatirswami
> Himalayan Academy Publications
> at Kauai's Hindu Monastery
> katir at hindu.org
>
> www.HimalayanAcademy.com,
> www.HinduismToday.com
> www.Gurudeva.org
> www.Hindu.org
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Tue Feb 11 00:35:01 2003
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Tue Feb 11 00:35:01 2003
Subject: Configuration Management of built apps
In-Reply-To: <C8F01C48-3D77-11D7-A972-0030657E2BD2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <FLEGJBMJADGKMCHIMFOHIEIACOAA.monte@sweattechnologies.com>

>
> Sarah's suggestion of just keeping track of the configs in the
> Distribution Builder covers the major chunk of the code, and I hadn't
> thought of using the config settings as a sort of cm tool, but that
> makes sense.     But (and it may be that I just am not thinking right
> about how the Dist Bldr works) several of my stacks don't need to be
> "built" (template stacks and stacks which retain preference settings,
> for instance, but contain very little 'code').   So, slightly along the
> lines of the arcane sccs, I need a clean way to ensure that I've
> checked the latest versions of the templates into the "build" that I'm
> creating.

You can add as many stacks as you like to the build. so the Dist Builder may
be all you need for this. Just use a working directory that you have the
latest revisions in and copy the folder whenever you backup. That way once
you include the latest revision of a stack file in the build it will always
be the latest.
>
> I wasn't really looking for the full monte (pun intended)

Oh ho HO.. I don't think I've heard that one before ;-P

of something
> like Visual Age, but if that existed, would clearly warrant a try.   I
> guess, then, Monte, my high-level objective statements might look
> (quickly) like this:
>
> 1st Objective:  tracking file/stack/substack revision
> date/time/changedby/changenotes easily. (oh, and size)
>
> 2nd Objective:  clean, easy-to-navigate object encyclopedia which shows
> created on/last modified/exists in or usedby/changenotes/changedby (and
> size)

Seeing as you can write whatever you want in the Object Library description
field I would think it would suit your needs. What else do you need?
>
> 3rd Objective:  build tracker, showing builds of projects by target
> platform (really what I'd like right now).  I'm not spun-in enough to
> do either of the first two,  but may end up taking a crack at the 3rd
> before too much longer if nothing pops up.

I'm not really sure what you want here. What info do you want to track about
each build?

Monte



From jhurley at infostations.com  Tue Feb 11 01:30:01 2003
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Tue Feb 11 01:30:01 2003
Subject: Storing images
In-Reply-To: <200302110315.WAA28451@www.runrev.com>
References: <200302110315.WAA28451@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05010401ba6e40806d08@[66.81.48.139]>

>
>Sannyasin Sivakatirswami wrote:
>
>Ha! Fantastic... what a great support group we have here! ;-)
>
>On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 07:46 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>
>>  Actually, it isn't even necessary to store the original image size in
>>  a custom property. Rev will automatically save the size so that the
>>  script doesn't have to track it. The formattedwidth and
>>  formattedheight of the image retain the original dimensions. You can
>>  use those properties to get the original size, and toss out a few
>>  lines of extra scripting besides:
>>
>>  set the width of image theImage to theRatio*the formattedWidth of img
>>  theImage
>>  set the height of image theImage to theRatio*the formattedHeight of
>  > img theImage
>>
>

Sannysasin,

I think the best of both world is to blend Jacqueline's and Mark's 
suggestions. Following Jacqueline's suggestion one avoids the need to 
assign width and height properties to the images, andy  busing the 
formatted size properties you preserve the image proportions.  And, 
following Rick suggestion, you take the more natural approach and fit 
the image to the button rather than the other way around.

That resizing script then which preserves the proportions of the 
original image and packs it in a given button would looks like this:

on resizeImage theImage
   --First get the button width
   --The button width is first selected (using the button handles), and
   --then the height is programmed to match the proportions of the image.
   put the width of button theImage into theButtonWidth
   --Reset the image size on the substack card
   --so that it will fit inside the button without distortion.
   set the defaultStack to "imagesSubstack"
   put the formattedWidth of image theImage into tImageWidth
   Put the formattedHeight of image theImage into tImageHeight
   put tImageHeight/tImageWidth into ratioOfHeightToWidth -- The image ratio
   set the width of image theImage to theButtonWidth*.94 -- Leave an edge
   set the height of image theImage to theButtonWidth*ratioOfHeightToWidth*.94
   --Finally adjust the button height to match the image height.
   set the defaultstack to "images"
   set the height of button theImage to theButtonWidth*ratioOfHeightToWidth
end resizeImage


Jim
-- 
Jim Hurley


From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Feb 11 04:17:00 2003
From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel)
Date: Tue Feb 11 04:17:00 2003
Subject: How do I scan all the objects on a card?
Message-ID: <p05100300ba6e5f32b778@[62.30.171.89]>

On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 11:21:41 +1030, "Monte Goulding" 
<monte at sweattechnologies.com> wrote:
>
>Try
>
>repeat with X=1 to the number of controls of this cd
>   -- why not use the GM to save the hassle?
>end repeat
>
>Monte
>
Monte - thanks for your interest, but I have had no luck so far. I 
don't see why the 'X=1...' formulation should work better than 
'repeat for each...', but if it does, I guess it does. I chose 
'repeat for each' because the Transcript dictionary warns that this 
is a slower method, and I had no real reason to need the index 'i'. 
Your solution implies that the controls on the card have unique 
consecutive numbers starting from 1, which I didn't realise was the 
case, and seems to be contradicted by the Transcript Dictionary which 
says "The expression control 2 refers to the control whose layer is 
2" which implies that the numbers are not unique, since not every 
object is on a different layer. Also, I tried an experimental button 
with this script:

  on mouseUp
    repeat with X=1 to the number of controls of this cd
      put (the name of control i of this cd) into line i of fld "MyList"
    end repeat
  end mouseUp

But this produced a runtime error. I suspect that "control i" in this 
context does not translate to stuff like "graphic i" or "image i" or 
"field i" according to circumstances, a usage I have so far found I 
have to organise myself. I tried a number of variations, but no luck 
so far.

As to the GM, I've read many messages suggesting there are bugs in 
the 1.1.1 Geometry Manager; and also some of the things I want to do 
don't relate directly to geometry (for example certain properties 
will have to be reset from arrays of values that relate to screen 
size in complex ways; some clusters of objects stay together but move 
to new bits of the screen; some background colours may change, etc.), 
and I therefore need a scanning structure outside the GM to change 
this other stuff, so might as well do the whole job there (I 
thought). But I will look at the GM again.
>
On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:47:54 -0800 (PST)  erik hansen 
<erikhans08 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>View > Application Overview > little triangle
>

Erik, thanks but I don't see how this helps me at run time (in fact 
startUp time) within my app, but maybe I misunderstood your point.

Back to the cyber-drawing board. But I still do believe that Revo 
itself knows how to do this.

Graham
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------
          Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Feb 11 04:39:01 2003
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue Feb 11 04:39:01 2003
Subject: How do I scan all the objects on a card?
In-Reply-To: <p05100300ba6e5f32b778@[62.30.171.89]>
Message-ID: <BA6E046A.AC27%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Graham Samuel wrote:

> I tried an experimental button
> with this script:
> 
> on mouseUp
> repeat with X=1 to the number of controls of this cd
> put (the name of control i of this cd) into line i of fld "MyList"
> end repeat
> end mouseUp
> 
> But this produced a runtime error. I suspect that "control i" in this
> context does not translate to stuff like "graphic i" or "image i" or
> "field i" according to circumstances, a usage I have so far found I
> have to organise myself. I tried a number of variations, but no luck
> so far.

This is failing because your repeat counter variable is "X" while you used
variable "i" to reference the control numbers.  Change the i to an x and
your script will work fine.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director

Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
Email: scott at tactilemedia.com
Web: www.tactilemedia.com



From wmb at internettrainer.com  Tue Feb 11 05:11:01 2003
From: wmb at internettrainer.com (Wolfgang M. Bereuter)
Date: Tue Feb 11 05:11:01 2003
Subject: Configuration Management of built apps
In-Reply-To: <89BBAC91-3D49-11D7-A972-0030657E2BD2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <87FDF8B4-3DA8-11D7-AB93-003065430226@internettrainer.com>

On Montag, Februar 10, 2003, at 11:46  Uhr, Ray Bennett wrote:

> Now that I'm building standalones, its becoming pretty obvious that a 
> lightweight configuraion management tool would be handy (for Unix 
> folks, I'm looking for something like sccs for humans).   Something 
> like this ultimately should accompany the distribution builder, but...
>
> Have any of you built such a tool?  Something that easily and 
> conveniently allows me to track versions of files and stacks included 
> in a build, etc.?

heelo Ray,
sorry if i did not understand your question correct, but imho you dont 
need a tool for that.

open the DB in rev and build a distribuiton
do all the konfiguration of this build (f.e Mac)
save it with a name and a release number (its a stack)

open it again, change the konfiguration to another build (f.e Linux)
save it with another name (and release number)

do that with all different builds you need and save them in a folder
Voila!
Now you have a kind of a small "database" of different DB stacks for 
building any configuration you once, twice or...


regards
Wolfgang M. Bereuter

Learn easy with trainingsmaps?

INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter
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...............................
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...............................
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From heather at runrev.com  Tue Feb 11 05:27:01 2003
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Williams)
Date: Tue Feb 11 05:27:01 2003
Subject: T-shirt design competition
In-Reply-To: <200302102343.SAA21369@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA6E7A6B.C82A%heather@runrev.com>

> i am all excited with this competition, and i do have one question.
> RunRev folks will sell thru cafepress so we'll be able to buy from
> shirts to drinkwear.
> drinkwear design space is much smaller than shirts design space, so can
> we enter the
> contest with specific entries like:
> andre garzia entrie for clock.png
> andre garzia entrie for tshirt.png

Sure. But I think we need to keep the designs themed and clearly related. So
it might be best to offer a series of designs in different sizes perhaps,
but as one submission. So maybe you could submit one large design and one
related small design, together. Or one design only that can be scaled.
Entirely up to your judgment.

> 
> it would give us more power (power to the designerrrr!!!) to create and
> the end product will
> be better, we'll not think "hell this stamp would be better big on a
> tshirt and not this small on a
> clock"
> 
> that of course leads to contest winner problems since there are
> different categories, and i think
> RunRev will not give that many licenses, but it still be good to have
> specific desings...

I think the problem with offering separate categories is more that we
wouldn't want to use two widely different designs. So there will remain one
winner, one prize, and one category, but we will be more than happy to see
you submit two related designs.

Regards,

Heather
> 
> cheers

-- 
Heather Williams <heather at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Ltd.
Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707
Ten Thumbs Typing Tutor Teach your Fingers to Dance



From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Feb 11 06:38:01 2003
From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel)
Date: Tue Feb 11 06:38:01 2003
Subject: How do I scan all the objects on a card?
Message-ID: <p05100301ba6e6e6c4b45@[62.30.171.89]>

Oops, I just wrote:

  on mouseUp
    repeat with X=1 to the number of controls of this cd
      put (the name of control i of this cd) into line i of fld "MyList"
    end repeat
  end mouseUp

Of course it should have been

   repeat with i = 1...

So it does work (though "repeat for each..." doesn't. But what about 
my objection from the transcript dictionary (the implication that the 
numbers aren't unique?). Still I admit to being somewhat red-faced, 
and will work from there. Still not sure about the GM.

Apologies

Graham
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------
          Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France


From cowhead at mac.com  Tue Feb 11 07:03:01 2003
From: cowhead at mac.com (mark mitchell)
Date: Tue Feb 11 07:03:01 2003
Subject: applescript for keyboard input 
In-Reply-To: <200302102343.SAA21369@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <452E0E79-3DB8-11D7-BBD0-0030656DAB8E@mac.com>

Tuviah wrote:

>
> Rev 2.0 will do this for you. Set the textfont of the field to
> "osaka,japanese"
>
> Tuviah Snyder

Thanks Tuviah.  It is switching from Kotoeri back to English in the 2.0 
beta but not the reverse.  Setting a field to Osaka or other Japanese 
fonts does not auto-switch to Kotoeri.  This problem is independent of 
font/keyboard synch.  BUT, a further problem is that I like to keep 
font/keyboard synch turned off (as it is usually much more of a pain 
than an asset).  So I would still like an apple script to do this switch 
exactly when and where I want it.

Thanks,

mark mitchell
Japan



From switchedon at hsj.com  Tue Feb 11 09:05:01 2003
From: switchedon at hsj.com (Simtech Publications)
Date: Tue Feb 11 09:05:01 2003
Subject: Resetting a scrolled field from another cd
In-Reply-To: <200302111012.FAA02835@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA6E6608.2553%switchedon@hsj.com>

> Try
> 
> set the vscroll of fld "instructions text" of cd "instructions" to 0

Nope. That doesn't do it either.

Cheers... Bill Lynn, Publisher
Simtech Publications
http://www.hsj.com



From k_major at os.surf2000.de  Tue Feb 11 09:28:00 2003
From: k_major at os.surf2000.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue Feb 11 09:28:00 2003
Subject: Resetting a scrolled field from another cd
In-Reply-To: <BA6E6608.2553%switchedon@hsj.com>
Message-ID: <97F79DBC-3DCC-11D7-8B8A-000A27B49A96@os.surf2000.de>

Hi Bill,

>> Try
>>
>> set the vscroll of fld "instructions text" of cd "instructions" to 0
>
> Nope. That doesn't do it either.
>
> Cheers... Bill Lynn, Publisher

it works in a "preopencard" or "opencard" handler here.
NOT on "closecard" or "mouseup" on another card...

Don't ask me why...


Regards


Klaus Major
k_major at os.surf2000.de



From cowhead at mac.com  Tue Feb 11 09:34:00 2003
From: cowhead at mac.com (mark mitchell)
Date: Tue Feb 11 09:34:00 2003
Subject: storing images
In-Reply-To: <200302102343.SAA21369@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3F57E714-3DCD-11D7-98F1-0030656DAB8E@mac.com>

mark mitchell wrote:

>> Someone wrote:
>>
>> "Put image 3 into image 4"
>>
>> This does not work for me.  I tried both with images pointing to an
>> image stored elsewhere (outside of rev) and for images stored in the
>> stack.  All I get is a white or gray image.  What am I doing wrong?
>> (Mac OS 10.15)
>>

I played with this some more and have discovered the problem.  "Put 
image X into image Y" does NOT work if image X is derived from a 
snapshot, but DOES work if it is an imported JPEG.  This is true for the 
beta 2.0 version of Rev as well (mac OS 10.15).  It says in the docs 
that the snapshot format is proprietary, so I suppose it has something 
to do with that.
I use a lot of snapshots, so I think I'll stick with setting the icons 
of buttons for imported images and setting the fileNames for referenced 
images.

mark mitchell
Japan



From bvg at mac.com  Tue Feb 11 09:48:00 2003
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Tue Feb 11 09:48:00 2003
Subject: How do I scan all the objects on a card?
In-Reply-To: <p05100301ba6e6e6c4b45@[62.30.171.89]>
Message-ID: <2B385BE0-3DCF-11D7-8363-003065AD94A4@mac.com>

You can only use the "repeat for each" with chunks (lines, chars etc.)
But you can try this:

repeat for the number of controls of this card times
   add one to i
   put (the name of control i of this card) into line i of field "MyList"
end repeat

This will be something faster (around 1 tick per every 10 controls) 
then a "repeat with".
It is true that the number of the controls can be the same (when there 
are grouped controls on the card). However the layer property is always 
unique (wen you look only at the controls of one card), so maybe there 
is some cheating and property-exchanging going on here?


On Dienstag, Feb 11, 2003, at 10:14 Europe/Zurich, Graham Samuel wrote:

> Oops, I just wrote:
>
>  on mouseUp
>    repeat with X=1 to the number of controls of this cd
>      put (the name of control i of this cd) into line i of fld "MyList"
>    end repeat
>  end mouseUp
>
> Of course it should have been
>
>   repeat with i = 1...
>
> So it does work (though "repeat for each..." doesn't. But what about 
> my objection from the transcript dictionary (the implication that the 
> numbers aren't unique?). Still I admit to being somewhat red-faced, 
> and will work from there. Still not sure about the GM.
>
> Apologies
>
> Graham
> -- 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>          Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From rcozens at pon.net  Tue Feb 11 10:44:01 2003
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Tue Feb 11 10:44:01 2003
Subject: [OT] clip2Gif Question
Message-ID: <a05100300ba6ec6edef44@[216.229.107.88]>

Hi All,

If anyone can suggest why clip2Gif 0.7.2 has suddenly started giving 
me a -108 error every time I try to access the Color Picker, please 
send me a heads up privately.  I set the transparent background color 
to black (RGB 0,0,0), and the image I got is fine; however, ever 
since then I cannot evoke the "Other..." selection of the 
"Transparent Background" without a -108 error. (Mac OS 9.2)

TIA,
-- 
Rob Cozens
<http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm>

Vive R Revolution!


From bvlahos at mac.com  Tue Feb 11 11:33:00 2003
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Tue Feb 11 11:33:00 2003
Subject: User info -posted again
In-Reply-To: <661B02BC-3D57-11D7-B03E-000393A19046@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <E40041FE-3DDD-11D7-9A4F-000393C44AE0@mac.com>

Bob,

It's easy:

   put "mailto:" & variableName into vMailAddress
   revGoURL vMailAddress

or you could combine it in one statement:

   revGoURL "mailto:" & variableName

This works fine on the Mac but not on the other platforms. There was a 
discussion in the archives on how to make this happen for windows too.

Bill Vlahos

On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 04:26  PM, Robert Presender wrote:

> Hi,
>  This is a repost of my post of last Sunday.  I assume that this is 
> not a no no since it is used widely on the net.
>
> It is noted that in registration forms, the user's name and email
> address are pre-inserted.
>
> Would appreciate info as to how such info is obtained. Would like to
> use in a Rev/MC standalone.
>
> TIA
>
> Regards ...  Bob
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



Bill Vlahos
IT Manager, AeroVironment Inc.
Work: 805-581-2187
Cell: 805-490-9992
Email: vlahos at aerovironment.com



From eudio at chabashira.co.jp  Tue Feb 11 11:35:01 2003
From: eudio at chabashira.co.jp (UDI)
Date: Tue Feb 11 11:35:01 2003
Subject: MIDI minders
In-Reply-To: <20030211014347.49561.qmail@web20010.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030211014347.49561.qmail@web20010.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030211163113.12578@mail.chabashira.co.jp>

Will I help you...?
http://homepage.mac.com/udi/stack/makeSMF131.hqx

UDI
eudio at chabashira.co.jp
http://member.nifty.ne.jp/UDI/


From bvlahos at mac.com  Tue Feb 11 11:36:01 2003
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Tue Feb 11 11:36:01 2003
Subject: User info -posted again
In-Reply-To: <661B02BC-3D57-11D7-B03E-000393A19046@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <E40041FE-3DDD-11D7-9A4F-000393C44AE0@mac.com>

Bob,

It's easy:

   put "mailto:" & variableName into vMailAddress
   revGoURL vMailAddress

or you could combine it in one statement:

   revGoURL "mailto:" & variableName

This works fine on the Mac but not on the other platforms. There was a 
discussion in the archives on how to make this happen for windows too.

Bill Vlahos

On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 04:26  PM, Robert Presender wrote:

> Hi,
>  This is a repost of my post of last Sunday.  I assume that this is 
> not a no no since it is used widely on the net.
>
> It is noted that in registration forms, the user's name and email
> address are pre-inserted.
>
> Would appreciate info as to how such info is obtained. Would like to
> use in a Rev/MC standalone.
>
> TIA
>
> Regards ...  Bob
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



Bill Vlahos
IT Manager, AeroVironment Inc.
Work: 805-581-2187
Cell: 805-490-9992
Email: vlahos at aerovironment.com



From gary.rathbone at btclick.com  Tue Feb 11 11:49:01 2003
From: gary.rathbone at btclick.com (Gary Rathbone)
Date: Tue Feb 11 11:49:01 2003
Subject: User info -posted again
In-Reply-To: <661B02BC-3D57-11D7-B03E-000393A19046@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <001501c2d1ec$db5bf8c0$0e00000a@server>

> It is noted that in registration forms, the user's name and 
> email address are pre-inserted.
> 
> Would appreciate info as to how such info is obtained. Would 
> like to use in a Rev/MC standalone.

I'm assuming you mean a web based registration form ? ie a user goes to a
web site and when they reach a form their name and email address is already
filled in ? This may be done on the web through 'cookies' - ie the user has
registered with the site which then plants a small file on the users
machine. This 'cookie' is then read the next time the user visits that site.
You can see these on your computer in the 'cookie' directory. As these
cookies can be created in a proprietary format, and even encrypted,its
almost impossible to extract any 'useful' information from them.

If I've missed the point totally then please provide a further explanation
and maybe an example, and I'll take another look.

Regards

Gary Rathbone




From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Feb 11 11:50:01 2003
From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel)
Date: Tue Feb 11 11:50:01 2003
Subject: How do I use customProperties
Message-ID: <p05100302ba6ed541f4a6@[62.30.171.89]>

I seem to be forever stuck in a half-understanding of 
Transcript/Revo. The latest problem is that I want to do an existence 
test for a particular custom property. I already know I can't script

   if exists(the myOddProperty of image "thing" of this cd) then...

as someone has already explained to me that a property is not an 
object, and so in this rather technical sense doesn't exist. My next 
attempt was to

  get the customProperties of image "thing" of this cd

  if "myOddProperty" is in it then...

This doesn't work either, presumably because the customProperties is 
an array, although you would have thought that the indices of an 
array (element references) would be in there somewhere. There is not 
that much about arrays in the documentation (the entry under ']' in 
the Transcript Dictionary is quite useful, but it took some finding).

I then tried

  get the customProperties of image "thing" of this cd
  if exists(it["myOddProperty"]) then...

But that doesn't work either (I suppose an array element isn't an object).

I'm sure the answer is simple, but I can't find it. Help appreciated.

TIA

Graham
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------
          Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France


From k_major at os.surf2000.de  Tue Feb 11 12:31:01 2003
From: k_major at os.surf2000.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue Feb 11 12:31:01 2003
Subject: How do I use customProperties
In-Reply-To: <p05100302ba6ed541f4a6@[62.30.171.89]>
Message-ID: <2D0C8678-3DE6-11D7-BC76-000A27B49A96@os.surf2000.de>

Hi Graham,

> I seem to be forever stuck in a half-understanding of Transcript/Revo. 
> The latest problem is that I want to do an existence test for a 
> particular custom property. I already know I can't script
>   if exists(the myOddProperty of image "thing" of this cd) then...
> as someone has already explained to me that a property is not an 
> object, and so in this rather technical sense doesn't exist. My next 
> attempt was to
>  get the customProperties of image "thing" of this cd
>  if "myOddProperty" is in it then...
>
> This doesn't work either, presumably because the customProperties is 
> an array, although you would have thought that the indices of an array 
> (element references) would be in there somewhere. There is not that 
> much about arrays in the documentation (the entry under ']' in the 
> Transcript Dictionary is quite useful, but it took some finding).
> I then tried
>  get the customProperties of image "thing" of this cd
>  if exists(it["myOddProperty"]) then...
> But that doesn't work either (I suppose an array element isn't an 
> object).
>
> I'm sure the answer is simple, but I can't find it. Help appreciated.
>
> TIA
>
> Graham

"customkeys" is the magic word :-)

...
   if (lineoffset("myOddProperty",the customkeys of img "thing") <> 0) 
then
    ## do your stuff here
   end if
...


Hope that helps.


Regards

Klaus Major
k_major at os.surf2000.de



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Tue Feb 11 13:28:01 2003
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Tue Feb 11 13:28:01 2003
Subject: Revolution and ActiveWire, MacBrick etc
Message-ID: <BA6EEFFF.5A1E%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

Does anyone have any experience with using Revolution with a generic i/o box
(preferably USB)?

I've been looking for a replacement for the dearly loved ADB i/o, which we
used quite a few of in the past; the principle ones I've found are
ActiveWire and MacBrick.  Has anyone tried using one of these with Rev (or
indeed without)?  I'd be interested in any experiences, positive or
negative, with either of these devices - or pointers to any others that
might do a similar job.

TIA,
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866




From jburtt at earthlink.net  Tue Feb 11 13:44:00 2003
From: jburtt at earthlink.net (John)
Date: Tue Feb 11 13:44:00 2003
Subject: getting duration of MP3 file...
Message-ID: <f05100300ba6ef1130e2d@[66.81.254.227]>

Is there any way of getting the duration of a MP3 file directly from 
disk? Setting the fileName of a player and getting the duration of 
that player takes much too long when dealing with a long list of 
files.

Thanks, John


From switchedon at hsj.com  Tue Feb 11 13:57:01 2003
From: switchedon at hsj.com (Simtech Publications)
Date: Tue Feb 11 13:57:01 2003
Subject: use-revolution digest, Vol 1 #1123 - 13 msgs
In-Reply-To: <200302111701.MAA11614@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA6EAE2F.257E%switchedon@hsj.com>

> it works in a "preopencard" or "opencard" handler here.
> NOT on "closecard" or "mouseup" on another card...
> Don't ask me why...

Thanks. The preopencard handler works for me.

I was thinking that maybe it just didn't work when called from another card
but that doesn't explain why it doesn't work in a closecard handler.

Thanks for the help.


Cheers... Bill Lynn, Publisher
Simtech Publications
http://www.hsj.com



From bvlahos at mac.com  Tue Feb 11 16:47:01 2003
From: bvlahos at mac.com (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Tue Feb 11 16:47:01 2003
Subject: Multi-user stacks on servers?
In-Reply-To: <ECD6D6CD-3CB9-11D7-A036-003065FB9830@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <BCB3B228-3E09-11D7-818E-000393C44AE0@mac.com>

You don't want to run a single copy of a Rev stack by multiple users on 
a server. Each use would be able to open it and save to it but their 
version would overwrite any changes others have made. This would not be 
good.

However, you should be able to have a server Rev application which 
talks to Rev client apps via IP. The client apps would be able to get 
and send information to the server app. It would be the responsibility 
of the server app to keep everything separate and organized and to 
provide feedback to other clients when there is a change on the server. 
This is exactly what a data base server does.

A good example of this is Tuviah's demo chat program which has the 
clients talking to the server.

Bill Vlahos

On Sunday, February 9, 2003, at 09:38  PM, Sannyasin Sivakatirswami 
wrote:

> I am interested  in see what we can do without using an external 
> multi-user dBase, sticking with Rev stack (s), as a data respository 
> (s) on a server, with multi-user access.
>
> Can a stack on a local station do something like
>
> Send new card to stack "Vendors"
>     ## which resides on a server, kind of like a single table in a SQL 
> Dbase
> put "Some vender Name" into fld "Vendor Name"
>
> For this to happen, does the stack on the server have to be open? If 
> so, then I guess there is no second user access for a write at that 
> moment and if I am right, then this would not be doable? or is there a 
> doable option other than storing all "records' as small text files and 
> locking them on read and write.
>
> The data is complex but limited, well within the limits, size-wise, of 
> Rev to handle very efficiently. A super macho dBase is not really 
> needed in terms of speed. Meanwhile Rev's tool box lends itself well 
> to dealing with the complexity  (especially if one only knows xTalk 
> and is loath to get into a new learning curve)  But multi-user access 
> is an  issue. What are our options?
>
> Sannyasin Sivakatirswami
> Himalayan Academy Publications
> at Kauai's Hindu Monastery
> katir at hindu.org
>
> www.HimalayanAcademy.com,
> www.HinduismToday.com
> www.Gurudeva.org
> www.Hindu.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



Bill Vlahos
IT Manager, AeroVironment Inc.
Work: 805-581-2187
Cell: 805-490-9992
Email: vlahos at aerovironment.com



From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk  Tue Feb 11 17:18:01 2003
From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel)
Date: Tue Feb 11 17:18:01 2003
Subject: How do I use customProperties
Message-ID: <p05100303ba6f21dbf3ec@[62.30.171.89]>

On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:45:16 +0000 I wrote:

>[...]


>The latest problem is that I want to do an existence
test for a particular custom property.

I finally answered my own question - one uses a global property, the 
customKeys, which gives a list of the custom properties of an object. 
Who would have guessed that properties are keys, eh? OK, I could have 
found it in the 'See Also' of the Transcript dictionary entry for 
'customProperties' but the name 'keys' put me off researching it. And 
anyway the info is very fragmented in the docs.

I am beginning to think that we (well, I) need a lot more short, 
concentrated essays explaining pretty well everything on specific 
topics - for example "all about custom properties" or "all about 
arrays" or "all about printing" etc. to include info on what not to 
do and gotchas. I realise that a lot of the info is there somewhere, 
but it's hard to get the right mixture of 'what' and 'how' to 
actually get things done. As soon as I feel I know enough about one 
of these areas I'll try to draft one of these notes - what do other 
people think?

Graham
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------
          Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France


From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Tue Feb 11 17:35:15 2003
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah)
Date: Tue Feb 11 17:35:15 2003
Subject: How do I scan all the objects on a card?
In-Reply-To: <a05111a92ba6e924fa4f4@[192.168.0.100]>
Message-ID: <78464087-3E10-11D7-9BCE-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

Hi Graham,

I think what is confusing you about control numbers is that they are 
not static, but they are unique. They represent the ordering of the 
controls on the card, so they have to be unique as no two controls can 
be at the same position in the layering list. However these numbers 
change if you alter the layer of any control, so control 4 might refer 
to different objects at different times. This still provides a 
perfectly valid way to refer to all your objects in a single loop.

While "repeat for each" is a much faster method of looping than "repeat 
with", I think the difference is only significant when you have a large 
number of repeats. I don't imagine that the number of controls on a 
card can be up in the thousands where using "repeat with" might be a 
problem.

I am one of those who have found that scripting my own geometry 
settings in a resizeStack handler is much the most reliable way to go. 
I am hoping that the GM will be improved in Rev 2, but scripting your 
own is not that hard and works well.

Cheers,
Sarah


On Tuesday, February 11, 2003, at 09:43  pm, Graham Samuel wrote:

> Oops, I just wrote:
>
>  on mouseUp
>    repeat with X=1 to the number of controls of this cd
>      put (the name of control i of this cd) into line i of fld "MyList"
>    end repeat
>  end mouseUp
>
> Of course it should have been
>
>   repeat with i = 1...
>
> So it does work (though "repeat for each..." doesn't. But what about 
> my objection from the transcript dictionary (the implication that the 
> numbers aren't unique?). Still I admit to being somewhat red-faced, 
> and will work from there. Still not sure about the GM.
>
> Apologies
>
> Graham
> -- 
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From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Tue Feb 11 17:39:00 2003
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah)
Date: Tue Feb 11 17:39:00 2003
Subject: How do I use customProperties
In-Reply-To: <a05111af7ba6f26e57840@[192.168.0.100]>
Message-ID: <D66FAA60-3E10-11D7-9BCE-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

> I am beginning to think that we (well, I) need a lot more short, 
> concentrated essays explaining pretty well everything on specific 
> topics - for example "all about custom properties" or "all about 
> arrays" or "all about printing" etc. to include info on what not to do 
> and gotchas. I realise that a lot of the info is there somewhere, but 
> it's hard to get the right mixture of 'what' and 'how' to actually get 
> things done. As soon as I feel I know enough about one of these areas 
> I'll try to draft one of these notes - what do other people think?

Do it. I had a similar problem trying to work out how to use groups and 
how they compared to HyperCard's backgrounds, so when I had ploughed my 
way through it, I wrote an article for Rev's 
"tip-of-the-week/month/year" section and submitted it. If more people 
contributed to that, it would be a great resource, not only for 
beginners but for those who want to extend into new areas.

Cheers,
Sarah




From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Tue Feb 11 17:39:20 2003
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah)
Date: Tue Feb 11 17:39:20 2003
Subject: Revolution and ActiveWire, MacBrick etc
In-Reply-To: <a05111ac8ba6ef175f21f@[192.168.0.100]>
Message-ID: <5CA9E9A6-3E0E-11D7-9C92-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

After a quick look at the relevant web sites, ActiveWire seems to be 
Windows oriented while MacBrick (obviously enough) is designed for the 
Mac. MacBrick has a USB version but it just uses serial comms and the 
manual provides the syntax for it's commands & responses. I have used 
Rev to interface with custom built controllers using USB to serial 
adapters. Under OS 9 this works fine, you just have to open the 
"modem:" or "printer:" port, then you can send the relevant commands to 
the device and read back it's answers. The Serial Test stack I posted 
to the User Contributions area can do this.

Hopefully when Rev 2 comes out, it will also be able to perform this 
type of serial communications.

Cheers,
Sarah



On Wednesday, February 12, 2003, at 04:29  am, Ben Rubinstein wrote:

> Does anyone have any experience with using Revolution with a generic 
> i/o box
> (preferably USB)?
>
> I've been looking for a replacement for the dearly loved ADB i/o, 
> which we
> used quite a few of in the past; the principle ones I've found are
> ActiveWire and MacBrick.  Has anyone tried using one of these with Rev 
> (or
> indeed without)?  I'd be interested in any experiences, positive or
> negative, with either of these devices - or pointers to any others that
> might do a similar job.
>
> TIA,
>
>   Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
>   Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
>   http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866
>
>
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Tue Feb 11 17:57:01 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Tue Feb 11 17:57:01 2003
Subject: How do I use customProperties
In-Reply-To: <p05100303ba6f21dbf3ec@[62.30.171.89]>
Message-ID: <BA6EBEC8.25FD8%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

Graham Samuel wrote:

> I am beginning to think that we (well, I) need a lot more short,
> concentrated essays explaining pretty well everything on specific
> topics - for example "all about custom properties" or "all about
> arrays" or "all about printing" etc. to include info on what not to
> do and gotchas. I realise that a lot of the info is there somewhere,
> but it's hard to get the right mixture of 'what' and 'how' to
> actually get things done. As soon as I feel I know enough about one
> of these areas I'll try to draft one of these notes - what do other
> people think?

I think it would be a fabulous thing.
I'll be happy to add those to RevNet as soon as they're available.

-- 
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From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 11 18:04:01 2003
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (erik hansen)
Date: Tue Feb 11 18:04:01 2003
Subject: MIDI minders
In-Reply-To: <20030211163113.12578@mail.chabashira.co.jp>
Message-ID: <20030211225949.23063.qmail@web20006.mail.yahoo.com>

--- UDI <eudio at chabashira.co.jp> wrote:
> Will I help you...?

thanks UDI, yes you will.

"This stack is free to use. All scripts
and music data is a public domain."

thanks again, best to wait until 2.0 before
expanding to the other OS's, but this is a great
start. i have been exporting my RR songs, then
"play"ing them in HC. very limited. my box is a
Yamaha QY70, do you have a preference for
sequencers aside from using QT?


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From rpresender at earthlink.net  Tue Feb 11 19:20:01 2003
From: rpresender at earthlink.net (Robert Presender)
Date: Tue Feb 11 19:20:01 2003
Subject: User info -posted again
In-Reply-To: <200302111701.MAA11600@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <30104ED7-3E1F-11D7-BACE-000393A19046@earthlink.net>

On Tuesday, February 11, 2003, at 09:01  AM, Bill Viahos wrote:

>  put "mailto:" & variableName into vMailAddress
>    revGoURL vMailAddress
>
> or you could combine it in one statement:
>
>    revGoURL "mailto:" & variableName
>
> This works fine on the Mac but not on the other platforms. There was a
> discussion in the archives on how to make this happen for windows too.
>
> Bill Vlahos
>
Thank you Bill.

Regards ...  Bob



From rpresender at earthlink.net  Tue Feb 11 19:30:01 2003
From: rpresender at earthlink.net (Robert Presender)
Date: Tue Feb 11 19:30:01 2003
Subject: User info -posted again
In-Reply-To: <200302111701.MAA11600@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <AF09641C-3E20-11D7-BACE-000393A19046@earthlink.net>

On Tuesday, February 11, 2003, at 09:01  AM, Gary Rathbone wrote:

>> It is noted that in registration forms, the user's name and
>> email address are pre-inserted.
>>
>> Would appreciate info as to how such info is obtained. Would
>> like to use in a Rev/MC standalone.
>
> I'm assuming you mean a web based registration form ? ie a user goes 
> to a
> web site and when they reach a form their name and email address is 
> already
> filled in ?

Bill Vlahos  provided the answer in the post before yours.

> This may be done on the web through 'cookies' - ie the user has
> registered with the site which then plants a small file on the users
> machine. This 'cookie' is then read the next time the user visits that 
> site.
> You can see these on your computer in the 'cookie' directory. As these
> cookies can be created in a proprietary format, and even encrypted,its
> almost impossible to extract any 'useful' information from them.
>
> If I've missed the point totally then please provide a further 
> explanation
> and maybe an example, and I'll take another look.
>
> Regards
>
> Gary Rathbone

   I will leave the how to create a cookie bit to a later time.  Not 
ready for prime time yet!

Gary, thank you for your reply.  Appreciate it.

Regards ...  Bob



From smilingeyes at mac.com  Tue Feb 11 19:39:00 2003
From: smilingeyes at mac.com (Ray Bennett)
Date: Tue Feb 11 19:39:00 2003
Subject: Windows registry and being a "proper" app
Message-ID: <CF759961-3E21-11D7-A4CE-0030657E2BD2@mac.com>

Okay, I've not really ever done any development for Windows-resident 
apps, so forgive my ignorance on this one.

Is there anything I need to do to make my application "proper" as far 
as Microsoft is concerned?  Specifically, is there something I need to 
do in order to get it checked into the registry, etc.?

What's different on XP in this regard?

Thanks for your support.
Ray



From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Tue Feb 11 19:55:01 2003
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Tue Feb 11 19:55:01 2003
Subject: Windows registry and being a "proper" app
In-Reply-To: <CF759961-3E21-11D7-A4CE-0030657E2BD2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <FLEGJBMJADGKMCHIMFOHKEIJCOAA.monte@sweattechnologies.com>

> Is there anything I need to do to make my application "proper" as far
> as Microsoft is concerned?

Well seing as Microsoft doesn't make proper apps I don't see why you should
worry ;-P

Specifically, is there something I need to
> do in order to get it checked into the registry, etc.?

Not unless you are using a custom document type.

Monte



From eudio at chabashira.co.jp  Tue Feb 11 21:23:01 2003
From: eudio at chabashira.co.jp (UDI)
Date: Tue Feb 11 21:23:01 2003
Subject: MIDI minders
In-Reply-To: <20030211225949.23063.qmail@web20006.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030211225949.23063.qmail@web20006.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030212021852.23798@mail.chabashira.co.jp>

I thought that reproduced a 'Play' command of HC with RR&QT.
I have no idea about external hardware MIDI.

At first makeSMF makes a MIDI file ( makeSMF handler )
  and then plays it with 'play vc'. ( playPmd handler )
Does this give a hint to you?


UDI
eudio at chabashira.co.jp
http://member.nifty.ne.jp/UDI/


From katir at hindu.org  Tue Feb 11 21:25:01 2003
From: katir at hindu.org (Sannyasin Sivakatirswami)
Date: Tue Feb 11 21:25:01 2003
Subject: Force refresh a  rotated, file referenced Image
In-Reply-To: <5708D844-3D7E-11D7-8363-003065AD94A4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <DA55ADEC-3E2E-11D7-ACDE-003065FB9830@hindu.org>

OK, go to card doesn't work, lock unlock also doesn't work...What does 
work is setting the image reference to empty then back again:

set the filename of image "currentImage" to ""
set the filename of image "currentImage" to tPreviousPath





On Monday, February 10, 2003, at 07:04 PM, Bj?rnke von Gierke wrote:

> You might try to go to the card (anew)
> eg if there is only one card:
> go to first card
>
> or if there are other cards:
> go to this card
>
> On Dienstag, Feb 11, 2003, at 03:31 Europe/Zurich, Sannyasin 
> Sivakatirswami wrote:
>
>> I use the following to rotate jpegs, it works great... the only 
>> problem is that the interface doesn't update. The image is rotated 
>> and if I run a separate handler to show a different image in 
>> "CurrentImage" then come back to the image I rotated, it shows the 
>> new orientation in image "CurrentImage"
>>
>> global gCurrentFolder, gLastLine
>> on mouseUp
>>   put gCurrentFolder & fld "currentImage" into jai
>>   put jai into tPath
>>   create image "Thumb"
>>   set the rect of image "thumb" to the rect of  image "currentImage"
>>   set the imagedata of image "thumb" to the imagedata of  image 
>> "currentImage"
>>   set the topleft of image "thumb" to 200,200
>>   set the angle of image "thumb" to -90
>>   export image "thumb" to URL ("binfile:"&jai)  as JPEG
>>   delete image "thumb"
>>   set the filename of image "currentImage" to jai
>>      ## but the image is not updated by the above line
>>
>> end mouseup
>>
>> is there a way to force refresh the image to the file path all in the 
>> same handler?
>>
>>
>> Sannyasin Sivakatirswami
>> Himalayan Academy Publications
>> at Kauai's Hindu Monastery
>> katir at hindu.org
>>
>> www.HimalayanAcademy.com,
>> www.HinduismToday.com
>> www.Gurudeva.org
>> www.Hindu.org
>>
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From kkaufman at snet.net  Tue Feb 11 21:32:01 2003
From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman)
Date: Tue Feb 11 21:32:01 2003
Subject: MIDI minders  
Message-ID: <9E618DB3-3E31-11D7-8091-0003936D1F12@snet.net>

"...i have been exporting my RR songs, then
"play"ing them in HC. very limited...."

Hi Erik,
If what you need is to be able to create actual MIDI files, then you 
might want to look at the MIDI stack that is included with RR 2 
pre-release (will work with RR 1.1.1 also).  It does not use the 
character-based system (that from your message I'm assuming is 
compatible with Hypercard's single-track sound-resource resampling), 
but files so-produced can be easily imported into a true sequencer or 
music notation program, or played in any QuickTime- or Windows Media 
Player- compatible application.

HTH,
Kurt



From jeanne at runrev.com  Tue Feb 11 23:09:01 2003
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Tue Feb 11 23:09:01 2003
Subject: How do I use customProperties
In-Reply-To: <p05100303ba6f21dbf3ec@[62.30.171.89]>
Message-ID: <v03130356ba6f3db8f921@[10.0.1.2]>

At 2:13 PM -0800 2/11/03, Graham Samuel wrote:
>I finally answered my own question - one uses a global property, the
>customKeys, which gives a list of the custom properties of an object.
>Who would have guessed that properties are keys, eh? OK, I could have
>found it in the 'See Also' of the Transcript dictionary entry for
>'customProperties' but the name 'keys' put me off researching it. And
>anyway the info is very fragmented in the docs.
>
>I am beginning to think that we (well, I) need a lot more short,
>concentrated essays explaining pretty well everything on specific
>topics - for example "all about custom properties"

Graham, have you read the "About properties, custom properties, and
property sets" topic in the documentation? I think it might answer some of
your questions in this area.

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From jeanne at runrev.com  Tue Feb 11 23:09:18 2003
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Tue Feb 11 23:09:18 2003
Subject: Another printing question
In-Reply-To: <p05100300ba6d1dd07110@[62.30.171.89]>
Message-ID: <v03130358ba6f6d4a02c2@[10.0.1.2]>

At 1:55 AM -0800 2/10/03, Graham Samuel wrote:
>Jeanne, I did look at 'answer printer' - as far as I understand it,
>this produces the 'Page Setup' dialog or windows equivalent. I'm
>looking for the 'Print' dialog, which allows the user to select the
>number of copies to be printed etc.

Right. "answer printer" gives you this dialog box on Windows - printer
name, page range, number of copies (although I confess to not being as
familiar with Win printing as I ought to be).

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http://www.runrev.com/




From jeanne at runrev.com  Tue Feb 11 23:09:28 2003
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Tue Feb 11 23:09:28 2003
Subject: Custom property
In-Reply-To: <19f.107522ce.2b77f44c@aol.com>
Message-ID: <v03130359ba6f6db51bf6@[10.0.1.2]>

At 10:13 AM -0800 2/9/03, Revinfo1155 at aol.com wrote:
>Could someone define a custom property and give me an example
>and a "How to set one up!

Here's a bit from the documentation (About properties, custom properties,
and property sets):

--------

A custom property is a property that you define. You can create as many
custom properties for an object as you want, and put any kind of data into
them (even binary data). The value of a custom property can be a string or
array.

You can define custom properties for any object, but you cannot define
custom global properties.

Use a custom property when you want to:
* associate data with a specific object
* save the data with the object across sessions
* access the data quickly

Using the value of a custom property:
Custom property references look just like built-in property references. For
example, to use a custom property called "lastCall", use a statement like
the following:

  put the lastCall of this card into totalWidths

Creating a custom property:
If you set a custom property that doesn't exist, Revolution automatically
creates the custom property and sets it to the requested value. This means
that you can create a custom property in a handler or the message box,
simply by using the set command as shown above.

You can also view, create, and delete custom properties in the Custom tab
of the object's Properties palette.

Changing custom properties:
You set the value of a custom property by using its property name with the
set command, in the same way you set built-in properties:

  set the myCustomProperty of button 1 to false

------
Glossary definition of custom property:

custom property
An object property you define. A custom property can hold any data you want
to associate with the object.
-----

If this doesn't help, please let me know....

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From jeanne at runrev.com  Tue Feb 11 23:10:01 2003
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Tue Feb 11 23:10:01 2003
Subject: How do I scan all the objects on a card?
In-Reply-To: <p05100300ba6df414c8d7@[62.30.171.89]>
Message-ID: <v0313035bba6f6fb9950f@[10.0.1.2]>

At 4:35 PM -0800 2/10/03, Graham Samuel wrote:
>   repeat for each control sclTheControl of this card

This is not going to work. The "repeat for each" form requires a chunk
type. For example, you can do this:

  repeat for each line thisLine in someVariable
  repeat for each word theWord in field "Something"
  repeat for each char nextChar in the script of me
  repeat for each item thisItem in myVariable

but you cannot use it for arbitary sets of things (like the controls on a
card). As Monte said, you need to use the "repeat with" form for things
like this, since "repeat for each" isn't available.

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From jeanne at runrev.com  Tue Feb 11 23:10:16 2003
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Tue Feb 11 23:10:16 2003
Subject: How do I scan all the objects on a card?
In-Reply-To: <p05100301ba6e6e6c4b45@[62.30.171.89]>
Message-ID: <v0313035fba6f769f3414@[10.0.1.2]>

At 1:14 AM -0800 2/11/03, Graham Samuel wrote:
>So it does work (though "repeat for each..." doesn't. But what about
>my objection from the transcript dictionary (the implication that the
>numbers aren't unique?)

Graham, can you be more specific about what gave you this idea? I'd like to
correct it, of course, if there's a particular statement that's unclear or
misleading....

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From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 12 02:14:01 2003
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (erik hansen)
Date: Wed Feb 12 02:14:01 2003
Subject: MIDI minders  
In-Reply-To: <9E618DB3-3E31-11D7-8091-0003936D1F12@snet.net>
Message-ID: <20030212071008.56040.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Kurt Kaufman <kkaufman at snet.net> wrote:
> "...i have been exporting my RR songs, then
> "play"ing them in HC. very limited...."
> 
> Hi Erik,
> If what you need is to be able to create actual
> MIDI files, then you 
> might want to look at the MIDI stack that is
> included with RR 2 
> pre-release (will work with RR 1.1.1 also).  It
> does not use the 
> character-based system (that from your message
> I'm assuming is 
> compatible with Hypercard's single-track
> sound-resource resampling), 
> but files so-produced can be easily imported
> into a true sequencer or 
> music notation program, or played in any
> QuickTime- or Windows Media 
> Player- compatible application.

sounds great. there must be a way to turn
play "Hammond B-3" tempo 140 60q...
into a midi event.


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From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 12 02:25:01 2003
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (erik hansen)
Date: Wed Feb 12 02:25:01 2003
Subject: How do I use customProperties
In-Reply-To: <v03130356ba6f3db8f921@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <20030212072111.57742.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "Jeanne A. E. DeVoto" <jeanne at runrev.com>
wrote:
> At 2:13 PM -0800 2/11/03, Graham Samuel wrote:
> >I am beginning to think that we (well, I) need
> a lot more short,
> >concentrated essays explaining pretty well
> everything on specific
> >topics - for example "all about custom
> properties"
> 
> Graham, have you read the "About properties,
> custom properties, and
> property sets" topic in the documentation? I
> think it might answer some of
> your questions in this area.

there are a lot of 
"short,concentrated essays explaining pretty well
everything on specific topics" in the archives.

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From malte.brill at t-online.de  Wed Feb 12 03:34:01 2003
From: malte.brill at t-online.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Wed Feb 12 03:34:01 2003
Subject: MIDI minders 
In-Reply-To: <200302120057.TAA21092@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA6FC49C.392%malte.brill@t-online.de>

>there must be a way to turn
>play "Hammond B-3" tempo 140 60q...
>into a midi event.

Hi erik,

not all into one single Midi Event...

If you use a standart GM/GS Device you will send the correct ProgramChange
Event for the organ first.
Sorrowly Tempo is not a MIDI event. (You might want to google for
MIDI-Clock-Sync though). And afterwards you need to send Notes on/off
messages to your MIDI device.

Well I guess that?s not very helpful...

Regards,

Malte 



From rjb at escapesports.com  Wed Feb 12 06:03:01 2003
From: rjb at escapesports.com (Ray Bennett)
Date: Wed Feb 12 06:03:01 2003
Subject: registry follow-up.  never mind.
Message-ID: <A9A6DC30-3E22-11D7-A4CE-0030657E2BD2@escapesports.com>

Sorry gang.  Just found Ken Ray's pointer to the Sons of Thunder tip 
regarding Registry stuff  from the December 2002 list.  That should get 
me going.



From kevin at runrev.com  Wed Feb 12 08:33:01 2003
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Wed Feb 12 08:33:01 2003
Subject: pre-Beta 2
Message-ID: <BA6FFCA6.114AC%kevin@runrev.com>

Hi,

pre-Beta 2 is up there now for OS X, Windows, Linux (OS 9 to follow within a
few hours).

http://www.runrev.com/revolution/previews/

It includes the following changes:

Addition of Variable Watcher
Addition of Database Linked Field panel
Changes to the Application Browser (we went with the other design we had,
thanks for all the feedback)
Image properties palette fixed
Improvements to error reporting and debug mode
Access to XML, speech, databases on Mac OS 9
Improvements to stability, unicode

Other changes still to follow (all almost done, but not included):

Field properties panel
Cell editing panel
Geometry editing panel
Colors and patterns panels
Final documentation updates
General stability, tweaking and bug fixing of the user interface

We'll be in beta soon.  If you are not an advanced user, please wait for
beta.  Enjoy!

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
Tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165.  Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707.



From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Wed Feb 12 08:40:01 2003
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Wed Feb 12 08:40:01 2003
Subject: Force refresh a rotated, file referenced Image
Message-ID: <OF2F405AB3.10687F71-ON85256CCB.004A5F9A@sealedair.com>

On 2/11/2003 Sannyasin Sivakatirswami <katir at hindu.org> wrote:

> OK, go to card doesn't work, lock unlock also doesn't work...What does
> work is setting the image reference to empty then back again:
>
> set the filename of image "currentImage" to ""
> set the filename of image "currentImage" to tPreviousPath


I have had good results with hide and show. Hopefully in 2.0 this will be
fixed and refreshes will be automatic.

set the filename of image "currentImage" to tPath
hide image "currentImage"
show image "currentImage"

Roger Eller
roger.e.eller at sealedair.com





From richmond at mail.maclaunch.com  Wed Feb 12 10:25:00 2003
From: richmond at mail.maclaunch.com (Mathewson)
Date: Wed Feb 12 10:25:00 2003
Subject: Mac OS problem
Message-ID: <web-301770685@mail.maclaunch.com>

So my boss has marketed loads of my CD to schools: 2 say
they cannot get them to run on Mac OS 9.2.2 - no obvious
reason when I have had the CD running on about 5 different
systems.

Do they need the valentina engine?

Advice requested.....

Richmond Mathewson
---------------------------------------------------------------
Great Macintosh Products 
 The MacLaunch Store! http://www.maclaunch.com/cgi-launch/store/agora.cgi
---------------------------------------------------------------


From malte.brill at t-online.de  Wed Feb 12 10:31:01 2003
From: malte.brill at t-online.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Wed Feb 12 10:31:01 2003
Subject: Mac OS problem
In-Reply-To: <200302120057.TAA21092@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA702660.394%malte.brill@t-online.de>

>So my boss has marketed loads of my CD to schools: 2 say
>they cannot get them to run on Mac OS 9.2.2 - no obvious
>reason when I have had the CD running on about 5 different
>systems.

>Do they need the valentina engine?

>Advice requested.....

>Richmond Mathewson

I guess they started a classic built?
I had crashes on a 9.2.2 machine (I-Mac bondi) running the built for classic
OS, but when I tried to run the OsX distribution everything just worked
fine. (It worked if the carbon lib is installed on any MacOs I tested
8.6-X.2 on 10 testmachines)

Hope that helps,

Malte



From dleyanna at rtl.org  Wed Feb 12 11:05:01 2003
From: dleyanna at rtl.org (Dave LeYanna)
Date: Wed Feb 12 11:05:01 2003
Subject: How do I use customProperties
References: <p05100303ba6f21dbf3ec@[62.30.171.89]>
Message-ID: <3E4A700D.60603@rtl.org>


Graham Samuel wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:45:16 +0000 I wrote:
> 


<clip>


> I am beginning to think that we (well, I) need a lot more short, 
> concentrated essays explaining pretty well everything on specific topics 
> - for example "all about custom properties" or "all about arrays" or 
> "all about printing" etc. to include info on what not to do and gotchas. 
> I realise that a lot of the info is there somewhere, but it's hard to 
> get the right mixture of 'what' and 'how' to actually get things done. 
> As soon as I feel I know enough about one of these areas I'll try to 
> draft one of these notes - what do other people think?
> 
> Graham

I going to have to work on my schedule. This would be a fabulous 
resource. I'll have to allocate some time to help. I haven't been able 
to do much with Rev. since I received it other that try to keep up with 
this list(s) and investigate the wide variety of resources available. 
Time to take some time to dig in...

djl



From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Feb 12 11:55:00 2003
From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel)
Date: Wed Feb 12 11:55:00 2003
Subject: How do I use customProperties
Message-ID: <p05100302ba702b422d7b@[62.30.171.89]>

On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 23:21:11 -0800 (PST) erik hansen 
<erikhans08 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>--- "Jeanne A. E. DeVoto" <jeanne at runrev.com>
>wrote:
>>  At 2:13 PM -0800 2/11/03, Graham Samuel wrote:
>>  >I am beginning to think that we (well, I) need
>>  a lot more short,
>>  >concentrated essays explaining pretty well
>>  everything on specific
>>  >topics - for example "all about custom
>  > properties"
>[...]
>there are a lot of
>"short,concentrated essays explaining pretty well
>everything on specific topics" in the archives.
>

Well, I do usually do the rounds of the links and have a crack at the 
Google search too before mailing to the list, and I have had a pretty 
frustrating time of it now and then. If you know of an essay about 
printing, please point me to it to stop me re-inventing the wheel.

TIA

Graham
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------
          Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France


From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Feb 12 12:16:01 2003
From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel)
Date: Wed Feb 12 12:16:01 2003
Subject: How do I scan all the objects on a card?
Message-ID: <p05100301ba70269a1557@[62.30.171.89]>

On  Tue, 11 Feb 2003 20:03:30 -0800 "Jeanne A. E. DeVoto" 
<jeanne at runrev.com> wrote:
>
>At 1:14 AM -0800 2/11/03, Graham Samuel wrote:
>[...] But what about
>  >my objection from the transcript dictionary (the implication that the
>>numbers aren't unique?)
>
>Graham, can you be more specific about what gave you this idea? I'd like to
>correct it, of course, if there's a particular statement that's unclear or
>misleading....
>

Well, I guess I put 2 and 2 together and made 5, but I would be 
surprised if I was the only one...

If you have a card with a lot of objects on it (well, more than one 
will do), and you look at the properties of any object via the 
Development Environment, you will see a set of four buttons for 
changing the object's layer - 'send to back', 'move backward', 'move 
forward' and 'send to front'. My mental model of the card was that 
the layers could be shared, so that one imagines 'sent to back' 
objects like the backdrop in a theatre, and foreground objects like 
props or actors, some sets of whom might be exactly the same distance 
from the front of the stage.

With this mental model it's natural to assume that several objects 
could be **at the same level** at the same time. Indeed, this does 
happen on the Mac, I believe, where drawing programs based on 
QuickDraw can (for example) bring a whole bunch of objects to the 
front in one action. So I reasoned that layer numbers could not be 
unique. Of course the docs never say this, although the glossary 
entry for 'layer' could be interpreted that way:

"The position of a control relative to the front and back; the order 
in which controls are stacked on the card"

Now that I've looked into it more thoroughly of course I see that 
Revolution doesn't have 'my' model, although I have not yet worked 
out all the consequences (for example, a group will contain objects 
which by definition will all be on separate layers - what happens 
when I send the whole group to the back?).

I'm sorry that people like me keep banging on about misconceptions 
we've somehow picked up on the way and then seem to be blaming them 
on the documentation. I do feel the docs are well done and therefore 
don't want to appear negative. Maybe it helps to see that different 
people approach issues from a different angle sometimes.

Graham
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------
          Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France


From pixelbird at interisland.net  Wed Feb 12 12:21:00 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Wed Feb 12 12:21:00 2003
Subject: Where are button contents?
In-Reply-To: <200302121606.LAA01367@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA6FC65C.6C75%pixelbird@interisland.net>

Hi list,

I want to do something like in HC:

put line 2 of target into field "MainField"

Where are button contents?

Do button contents have something to do with Custom Properties? How do I set
such a thing?

Ken N.



From bornstein at designeq.com  Wed Feb 12 12:26:00 2003
From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Wed Feb 12 12:26:00 2003
Subject: The Mac OS9 Pre-beta link doesn't work
Message-ID: <200302121722.h1CHMNxF004046@ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com>

Clicking the link "revolution.sit" (on 
http://www.runrev.com/revolution/previews/downloads.html) takes you to 
your "page not found" page.


From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Feb 12 13:03:01 2003
From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel)
Date: Wed Feb 12 13:03:01 2003
Subject: How do I use customProperties
Message-ID: <p05100304ba7035658f0b@[62.30.171.89]>

On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 20:04:14 -0800 "Jeanne A. E. DeVoto" 
<jeanne at runrev.com> wrote:
>
>Graham, have you read the "About properties, custom properties, and
>property sets" topic in the documentation? I think it might answer some of
>your questions in this area.

Jeanne, thanks for your interest: I did you an injustice. I have to 
admit that I read this at the beginning of my work with Revolution 
and then didn't look at it again. If I had, I would have known about 
the 'customKeys' property. There were only a few things I have wanted 
to know (so far) which aren't in that article, and I found them by 
experiment:

1. Do I get an error if I try to access a property that doesn't 
exist, or is perhaps the new property created, as it is with 'set'? 
The answer is "no" and "no", and furthermore no 'getProp' message is 
sent, but if the non-existent property is part of an assignment 
statement, like

   get the myMysteryProperty of grc "gr1"

the variable (in this case 'it') becomes empty.

2.What kind of list do you get from the 'customKeys'? The answer is a 
return-separated list (each property name is on a different line).

Graham
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------
          Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Feb 12 15:50:01 2003
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed Feb 12 15:50:01 2003
Subject: Where are button contents?
References: <BA6FC65C.6C75%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <07d501c2d2d8$2648f680$6501a8c0@mckinley.dom>

Ken,

You can do just as you describe. Buttons have contents (usually used for
drop down or popup menus or tabbed buttons). Button contents are
different than custom props -- they're a "real" property of buttons. If
you have Rev 1.1.1, you can create a button, open the Properties palette
and click the last tab (the one that looks like a button). Choose one of
the menu styles of buttons and the area marked "Create Button Menu With
Contents" will enable... here's where you specify the contents of
buttons. You can also do it by script:

on FillButtonContents
  put "One" & cr & "Two" & cr & "Three" into button 1
end FillButtonContents

Button contents are just like in HC - you can get the selection, the
selectedLine, etc. of buttons...

Hope this helps,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Norris (dialup)" <pixelbird at interisland.net>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:37 AM
Subject: Where are button contents?


> Hi list,
>
> I want to do something like in HC:
>
> put line 2 of target into field "MainField"
>
> Where are button contents?
>
> Do button contents have something to do with Custom Properties? How do
I set
> such a thing?
>
> Ken N.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Feb 12 16:09:01 2003
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed Feb 12 16:09:01 2003
Subject: How do I scan all the objects on a card?
References: <p05100301ba70269a1557@[62.30.171.89]>
Message-ID: <07da01c2d2da$c37b0cc0$6501a8c0@mckinley.dom>

Graham,

What might help is to compare it to SuperCard, as the approach is very
similar with the exception that there isn't distinct "cards" and
"backgrounds" so you don't have one set of IDs for objects on a "card"
and another set of IDs for objects on a "background". All objects in Rev
are on the same "plane", although some may be shared with other cards by
being grouped. Regardless, every object has its own unique ID, and there
is a stacking order of all objects on a card - you can't have one object
at the same "level" as another object - there's always a front-to-back
stacking order, just like in SC. The only unique feature here is that a
group acts as a single object as far as stacking is concerned, so if you
have four objects:

----- BACK OF CARD -----
  Button 1 - layer 1
  Field 1 - layer 2
  Button 2 - layer 3
  Field 2 - layer 4
----- FRONT OF CARD -----

and you then group Field 1 and Button 2 together (which brings the group
to the front), you get this:

----- BACK OF CARD -----
  Button 1 - Layer 1
  Field 2 - Layer 2
  Group 1 - Layer 3
----- FRONT OF CARD -----

If you then select the group and move it backwards, you have this:

----- BACK OF CARD -----
  Button 1 - Layer 1
  Group1 - Layer 2
  Field 2 - Layer 3
----- FRONT OF CARD -----

Now within the group itself, the objects have their *own* layering, so
if you were to edit Group 1, you'd have this:

=== BACK OF GROUP ===
  Field 1 - Layer 1
  Button 2 - Layer 2
=== FRONT OF GROUP ===

So to see it all, you'd have this:

----- BACK OF CARD -----
  Button 1 - Layer 1
  Group1 - Layer 2
     === BACK OF GROUP ===
       Field 1 - Layer 1
       Button 2 - Layer 2
     === FRONT OF GROUP ===
  Field 2 - Layer 3
----- FRONT OF CARD -----

and regardless of how you relayered the group itself on the card, the
objects *inside* the group don't relayer; in fact, you can't directly
set the layer of an object inside a group unless you set the
relayerGroupedControls to true, so you normally need to edit the group
itself, and then relayer the objects while "in" the group.

I hope this makes sense...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Samuel" <livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk>
To: "Revolution user discussion" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 11:12 AM
Subject: RE: How do I scan all the objects on a card?


> On  Tue, 11 Feb 2003 20:03:30 -0800 "Jeanne A. E. DeVoto"
> <jeanne at runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> >At 1:14 AM -0800 2/11/03, Graham Samuel wrote:
> >[...] But what about
> >  >my objection from the transcript dictionary (the implication that
the
> >>numbers aren't unique?)
> >
> >Graham, can you be more specific about what gave you this idea? I'd
like to
> >correct it, of course, if there's a particular statement that's
unclear or
> >misleading....
> >
>
> Well, I guess I put 2 and 2 together and made 5, but I would be
> surprised if I was the only one...
>
> If you have a card with a lot of objects on it (well, more than one
> will do), and you look at the properties of any object via the
> Development Environment, you will see a set of four buttons for
> changing the object's layer - 'send to back', 'move backward', 'move
> forward' and 'send to front'. My mental model of the card was that
> the layers could be shared, so that one imagines 'sent to back'
> objects like the backdrop in a theatre, and foreground objects like
> props or actors, some sets of whom might be exactly the same distance
> from the front of the stage.
>
> With this mental model it's natural to assume that several objects
> could be **at the same level** at the same time. Indeed, this does
> happen on the Mac, I believe, where drawing programs based on
> QuickDraw can (for example) bring a whole bunch of objects to the
> front in one action. So I reasoned that layer numbers could not be
> unique. Of course the docs never say this, although the glossary
> entry for 'layer' could be interpreted that way:
>
> "The position of a control relative to the front and back; the order
> in which controls are stacked on the card"
>
> Now that I've looked into it more thoroughly of course I see that
> Revolution doesn't have 'my' model, although I have not yet worked
> out all the consequences (for example, a group will contain objects
> which by definition will all be on separate layers - what happens
> when I send the whole group to the back?).
>
> I'm sorry that people like me keep banging on about misconceptions
> we've somehow picked up on the way and then seem to be blaming them
> on the documentation. I do feel the docs are well done and therefore
> don't want to appear negative. Maybe it helps to see that different
> people approach issues from a different angle sometimes.
>
> Graham
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>           Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From kkaufman at snet.net  Wed Feb 12 16:15:00 2003
From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman)
Date: Wed Feb 12 16:15:00 2003
Subject: MIDI minders
Message-ID: <754E50F5-3ECE-11D7-9C60-0003936D1F12@snet.net>

Malte Brill wrote:
"...Sorrowly Tempo is not a MIDI event...."

Strictly speaking, maybe not, but it can be defined within a standard 
MIDI file.  If you produce a MIDI file with RR's MIDI Builder stack, 
and you open it with a Hex editor, you will see a spot in the first 
track where the initial tempo is defined, as well as initial key 
signature, number of music tracks, etc.

-Kurt



From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 12 18:57:01 2003
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (erik hansen)
Date: Wed Feb 12 18:57:01 2003
Subject: MIDI minders 
In-Reply-To: <BA6FC49C.392%malte.brill@t-online.de>
Message-ID: <20030212235322.48957.qmail@web20007.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Malte Brill <malte.brill at t-online.de> wrote:
> >there must be a way to turn
> >play "Hammond B-3" tempo 140 60q...
> >into a midi event.
> 
> Hi erik,
> 
> not all into one single Midi Event...
> 
> If you use a standart GM/GS Device you will
> send the correct ProgramChange
> Event for the organ first.
> Sorrowly Tempo is not a MIDI event. (You might
> want to google for
> MIDI-Clock-Sync though). And afterwards you
> need to send Notes on/off
> messages to your MIDI device.
> 
> Well I guess that?s not very helpful...

it is helpful.
MIDI specifies duration (gate) time.
in my QY70 that is set automatically according to
tempo (120) and note time value (half, quarter,
etc.)

just have to write it up in Revolution!
anyone out there ever create a sequencer?

=====
erik at erikhansen.org    http://www.erikhansen.org

__________________________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day
http://shopping.yahoo.com


From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 12 18:59:02 2003
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (erik hansen)
Date: Wed Feb 12 18:59:02 2003
Subject: MIDI minders
In-Reply-To: <754E50F5-3ECE-11D7-9C60-0003936D1F12@snet.net>
Message-ID: <20030212235533.29340.qmail@web20003.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Kurt Kaufman <kkaufman at snet.net> wrote:
> Malte Brill wrote:
> "...Sorrowly Tempo is not a MIDI event...."
> 
> Strictly speaking, maybe not, but it can be
> defined within a standard 
> MIDI file.  If you produce a MIDI file with
> RR's MIDI Builder stack, 
> and you open it with a Hex editor, you will see
> a spot in the first 
> track where the initial tempo is defined, as
> well as initial key 
> signature, number of music tracks, etc.

i have been waiting for 2.0 to explore the MIDI
Builder stack. 

=====
erik at erikhansen.org    http://www.erikhansen.org

__________________________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day
http://shopping.yahoo.com


From runrev at technetx.com  Wed Feb 12 20:05:01 2003
From: runrev at technetx.com (runrev at technetx.com)
Date: Wed Feb 12 20:05:01 2003
Subject: Some install issues
Message-ID: <001501c2d2fb$481d4fe0$0201a8c0@nh2>

Every once in a while, revolution seems to delete itself from the directory
and when I click to start it, it tries to reinstall.  It's strange.  The
only fix when it happens is I have to actually use the original
revolution.exe I downloaded to install it again, then re-enter my license
information.

Does this happen to anyone else?

Revolution 1.1.1
WindowsME

Thanks in advance,
Ron



From smilingeyes at mac.com  Wed Feb 12 22:10:01 2003
From: smilingeyes at mac.com (Ray Bennett)
Date: Wed Feb 12 22:10:01 2003
Subject: background image disappears when printing to PDF
Message-ID: <0FA949BC-3F00-11D7-A31D-0030657E2BD2@mac.com>

Dear List - Sorry to be a pest.

I have an image control with an imported (vice linked) image.  This 
control was pasted into the background of a card.  This background 
occurs on 15 cards.  The image is pretty small (175x175).

When I use the Print Dialog to create a PDF of the stack, everything 
works except that where the image control should be, the actual image 
doesn't appear.  What _does_ appear is a 175x175 swatch of the 
background image contained on the first card of the stack (where the 
call to "print" the cards was made from).

This was actually in Rev Classic 1.1.1 running under 9.2.2. within the 
OS 10.2.3 environment.

The print script is below.
Thanks in advance.

Ray

(sorry for the length of the script snippit)
<--begin script-->
  sort lines of theList ascending numeric by word 1 of each
   if the optionkey is down then
     open printing with dialog
   else
     open printing
   end if
   lock screen
   put false into lastPassFlag
   repeat with i = 1 to the number of lines in theList
     if i = the number of lines in theList then
       put true into lastPassFlag
     end if
     set the cursor to busy
     --
     put line i of theList into cardName
     -- SIXTEEN and THIRTYTWOs
     if the backgroundNames of card cardName contains "16" OR \
         the backgroundNames of card cardName contains "32" then
       if pagesToPrint = 2 then
         push card
         go card cardName
         send "printThisCard false,2" to this card
         pop card
       else
         push card
         go card cardName
         set the visible of scrollbar "rbscrollbar" to false
         send "print32ChampBracket" to this card
         set the visible of scrollbar "rbscrollbar" to true
         if not(lastPassFlag) then
           --don't do this the last time, or we get a blank page
           print break
         end if
         pop card
       end if
     else
       print card cardName of this stack into the rect of fld 
"printpreview2" of card 1 of this stack
       if not(lastPassFlag) then
         --don't do this the last time, or we get a blank page
         print break
       end if
     end if
   end repeat
   --
   close printing
<--end script-->



From jeanne at runrev.com  Thu Feb 13 11:05:01 2003
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Thu Feb 13 11:05:01 2003
Subject: How do I scan all the objects on a card?
In-Reply-To: <p05100301ba70269a1557@[62.30.171.89]>
Message-ID: <v03130372ba70cfc3e97f@[10.0.1.2]>

At 9:12 AM -0800 2/12/03, Graham Samuel wrote:
>If you have a card with a lot of objects on it (well, more than one
>will do), and you look at the properties of any object via the
>Development Environment, you will see a set of four buttons for
>changing the object's layer - 'send to back', 'move backward', 'move
>forward' and 'send to front'. My mental model of the card was that
>the layers could be shared, so that one imagines 'sent to back'
>objects like the backdrop in a theatre, and foreground objects like
>props or actors, some sets of whom might be exactly the same distance
>from the front of the stage.

Aha. Actually, it works more like a draw program (like the old MacDraw, or
the draw module in AppleWorks): each object is on its own layer, and "send
to back" and "bring to front" just puts an object on the rearmost or
frontmost layer.

I agree this needs to be explained better.


>out all the consequences (for example, a group will contain objects
>which by definition will all be on separate layers - what happens
>when I send the whole group to the back?).

The whole group moves together through the layers, so if you have a group
with a button in front of a field (for example) and send the group to the
back, the field will be the rearmost object, with the button on top, and
then the other objects on the card.

It's similar in some ways to the way you drag a group - it moves as a
single object horizontally and vertically, as well as in the Z (depth) axis.


>I'm sorry that people like me keep banging on about misconceptions
>we've somehow picked up on the way and then seem to be blaming them
>on the documentation. I do feel the docs are well done and therefore
>don't want to appear negative. Maybe it helps to see that different
>people approach issues from a different angle sometimes.

Absolutely. This sort of discussion is very useful to me.

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From jeanne at runrev.com  Thu Feb 13 11:06:17 2003
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Thu Feb 13 11:06:17 2003
Subject: Dealing with the dictionary
In-Reply-To: <BA6D4C5C.6C25%pixelbird@interisland.net>
References: <200302101701.MAA11122@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <v03130371ba70bbb332bb@[10.0.1.2]>

At 12:32 PM -0800 2/10/03, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:
>When I'm at home on my boat, I work on my PB 1400c.

How much RAM does it have?

>Is there a way to separate out the docs and make them accessible as a
>standalone with the cards accessible from an external HD or something. That
>is, cards as HD data with no big RAM penalty?

Unfortunately, you can't open a stack without loading the entire file into
memory. And the dictionary is a fairly large file (about 3.5M).

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From smilingeyes at mac.com  Thu Feb 13 12:04:01 2003
From: smilingeyes at mac.com (Ray Bennett)
Date: Thu Feb 13 12:04:01 2003
Subject: Some install issues
In-Reply-To: <001501c2d2fb$481d4fe0$0201a8c0@nh2>
Message-ID: <A0323466-3F74-11D7-84BA-0030657E2BD2@mac.com>

Ron, I'm just a little more paranoid than I should be, but the only 
platform I won't warrant my product on is Windows ME.  Mostly because 
it seems that the different hardware vendors got pretty confused when 
they wedded it to their box, so for instance the Sony VAIO and HP 
Pavillion's running ME (at least for us) were just really difficult to 
predict.   Sometimes stable, sometimes not - especially relative to 
loading and running third party apps.   I know this doesn't help, but 
thought I'd share it.

On Wednesday, Feb 12, 2003, at 20:00 America/New_York, 
runrev at technetx.com wrote:

> Every once in a while, revolution seems to delete itself from the 
> directory
> and when I click to start it, it tries to reinstall.  It's strange.  
> The
> only fix when it happens is I have to actually use the original
> revolution.exe I downloaded to install it again, then re-enter my 
> license
> information.
>
> Does this happen to anyone else?
>
> Revolution 1.1.1
> WindowsME
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Ron
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From alrice at ARCplanning.com  Thu Feb 13 16:57:01 2003
From: alrice at ARCplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Thu Feb 13 16:57:01 2003
Subject: get function() of the target?
Message-ID: <867827B6-3F9D-11D7-A65A-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>

I want some cards to implement an true/false answer for the question 
isActiveCard. The default would be true, implemented at the mainStack 
level. Cards could implement their own isActiveCard, or not. I have 
*lots* of cards, so want to use message path hierarchy wherever 
possible. Consider this situation. In my mainStack script:

function isActiveCard
   return "true" -- default answer, will be overridden in some cards
end isActiveCard
--
on preOpenCard -- skip inactive cards
   if not isActiveCard() then
     go next card
     exit preOpenCard
   end if
   pass preOpenCard
end preOpenCard

In a substack, card script might have

function isActiveCard -- according to the app's data model
  if something then
    return "true"
  else
    return "false"
end isActiveCard

The problem is that when the preOpenCard handler runs in the mainstack, 
I want to call the isActiveCard() function that's defined in *the 
target* card, not the mainstack.
If messages were actually inherited then it wouldn't be a problem, but 
instead of inheritance, the messages travel up the heirarchy.

I've tried

get isActiveCard() of the target

which seems to *actually work according to my intent*, then causes an 
error as soon as soon as I step over it in the debugger. Weird.

Please enlighten me! Thanks,

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From rpresender at earthlink.net  Thu Feb 13 18:40:01 2003
From: rpresender at earthlink.net (Robert Presender)
Date: Thu Feb 13 18:40:01 2003
Subject: The Mac OS9 Pre-beta link doesn't work
In-Reply-To: <200302131607.LAA22907@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <D0C3B73B-3FAB-11D7-A134-000393A19046@earthlink.net>

On Thursday, February 13, 2003, at 08:07  AM, Howard Bornstein wrote:

> Clicking the link "revolution.sit" (on
> http://www.runrev.com/revolution/previews/downloads.html) takes you to
> your "page not found" page.

Hi Howard,

Delete the ")" at the end of the above URL


Regards ...  Bob



From jeanne at runrev.com  Thu Feb 13 19:25:02 2003
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Thu Feb 13 19:25:02 2003
Subject: get function() of the target?
In-Reply-To: <867827B6-3F9D-11D7-A65A-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>
Message-ID: <v0313037aba71e611f62f@[10.0.1.2]>

At 1:53 PM -0800 2/13/03, Alex Rice wrote:
>The problem is that when the preOpenCard handler runs in the mainstack,
>I want to call the isActiveCard() function that's defined in *the
>target* card, not the mainstack.

It sounds like you need the value function. See "How to call a custom
function that's not in the message path", too.

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From pixelbird at interisland.net  Thu Feb 13 22:06:01 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Thu Feb 13 22:06:01 2003
Subject: Dealing with the dictionary
In-Reply-To: <200302131607.LAA22907@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA71A0FD.6C99%pixelbird@interisland.net>

Thanks for the Re Jeanne,

> Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:05:12 -0800
> From: "Jeanne A. E. DeVoto" <jeanne at runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Dealing with the dictionary

> 
> At 12:32 PM -0800 2/10/03, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:
>> When I'm at home on my boat, I work on my PB 1400c.
> 
> How much RAM does it have?
----------
48mb. It can go to a max of 64mb, but it's hard to find and expensive, so I
use virtual memory.
----------
>> Is there a way to separate out the docs and make them accessible as a
>> standalone with the cards accessible from an external HD or something. That
>> is, cards as HD data with no big RAM penalty?
> 
> Unfortunately, you can't open a stack without loading the entire file into
> memory. And the dictionary is a fairly large file (about 3.5M).
----------
Is that all? Why is it causing the computer to slow down or crash?
Everything works fine until I open the dictionary. Even with virtual memory
at 60mb, it often causes a crash. No other apps open.

For this reason, I have a formatted CF card I use as a drive for virtual
memory. It's 128mb and offers up 116mb of useable VM. Opening the dictionary
now won't cause crashes anymore, but everything is painfully slow, e.g.,
takes long periods to get to pages in the dictionary, 5 minutes to quit Rev,
etc. (the transfer rates of CF cards are notoriously slow compared to hard
drives).

Accessing other parts of the docs doesn't seem to cause problems. In fact, I
can look at some other parts of it and everything runs OK. But if I open the
dictionary, everything slows to a snail's pace and stays that way even after
I close the dictionary. I would think that closing it would allow the system
to give up the space on the CF card, but it apparently doesn't.

Anyway, I was hoping to get the docs (or at least the dictionary) off into
another machine more or less dedicated to them. I'd rather have them that
way anyway, so they don't interfere with what I'm doing on the screen, i.e.,
I can read them at the same time I'm working on a stack without having to
open and close, move, windowshade, docs stacks. I have one with, um, 64mb I
think. Can I make the docs into standalones? Would the memory penalty be any
better than running it from Rev?

Ken N.



From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Feb 13 23:10:01 2003
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu Feb 13 23:10:01 2003
Subject: Some install issues
In-Reply-To: <001501c2d2fb$481d4fe0$0201a8c0@nh2>
Message-ID: <ACEELABEAIANJNCEJFMACEHGDFAA.chipp@chipp.com>

Ron,

Does it seem to happen right after you do a 'Build Distribution'?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of
> runrev at technetx.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 7:00 PM
> To: Run Time Revolution USE
> Subject: Some install issues
> 
> 
> Every once in a while, revolution seems to delete itself from the 
> directory
> and when I click to start it, it tries to reinstall.  It's strange.  The
> only fix when it happens is I have to actually use the original
> revolution.exe I downloaded to install it again, then re-enter my license
> information.
> 
> Does this happen to anyone else?
> 
> Revolution 1.1.1
> WindowsME
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Ron
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution


From jimbeckmann at comcast.net  Thu Feb 13 23:31:01 2003
From: jimbeckmann at comcast.net (Jim Beckmann)
Date: Thu Feb 13 23:31:01 2003
Subject: Where are button contents?
In-Reply-To: <200302131607.LAA22907@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA71BDE5.DB%jimbeckmann@comcast.net>

Ken wrote:

> Where are button contents?

I may be totally off base here but something I was straightened out with.
If you imported a stack into Rev from HC and are trying to access the
contents of a button, the Rev properties keep it grayed out.

The HCAdressing property needs to be changed - if it is true set it to false
or vice versa.

Again, Ken, I may be way off your situation.

-- 
Jim Beckmann



From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Fri Feb 14 03:48:01 2003
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Fri Feb 14 03:48:01 2003
Subject: Dealing with the dictionary
In-Reply-To: <BA71A0FD.6C99%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <5B1BA942-3FF8-11D7-8911-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com>

First, it doesn't free up the memory because Revolution doesn't 
actually close a stack when you close it. It remains in memory. This 
can be changed by setting the destroyStack of the stack to true.

Second, you can export the docs to a text file, to HTML, or to RTF, and 
then refer to that. There's an exporter stack on the User Contributions 
page.

On Thursday, February 13, 2003, at 07:22 PM, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:

> Anyway, I was hoping to get the docs (or at least the dictionary) off 
> into
> another machine more or less dedicated to them. I'd rather have them 
> that
> way anyway, so they don't interfere with what I'm doing on the screen, 
> i.e.,
> I can read them at the same time I'm working on a stack without having 
> to
> open and close, move, windowshade, docs stacks. I have one with, um, 
> 64mb I
> think. Can I make the docs into standalones? Would the memory penalty 
> be any
> better than running it from Rev?
>

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com



From runrev at technetx.com  Fri Feb 14 11:43:01 2003
From: runrev at technetx.com (runrev at technetx.com)
Date: Fri Feb 14 11:43:01 2003
Subject: Some install issues
References: <ACEELABEAIANJNCEJFMACEHGDFAA.chipp@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <000901c2d447$96056e20$0201a8c0@nh2>

You know Chipp, I think you're on to something.  I do believe it does happen
typically after build distribution.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chipp Walters" <chipp at chipp.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 8:06 PM
Subject: RE: Some install issues


> Ron,
>
> Does it seem to happen right after you do a 'Build Distribution'?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com
> > [mailto:use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of
> > runrev at technetx.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 7:00 PM
> > To: Run Time Revolution USE
> > Subject: Some install issues
> >
> >
> > Every once in a while, revolution seems to delete itself from the
> > directory
> > and when I click to start it, it tries to reinstall.  It's strange.  The
> > only fix when it happens is I have to actually use the original
> > revolution.exe I downloaded to install it again, then re-enter my
license
> > information.
> >
> > Does this happen to anyone else?
> >
> > Revolution 1.1.1
> > WindowsME
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Ron
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From runrev at technetx.com  Fri Feb 14 11:48:01 2003
From: runrev at technetx.com (runrev at technetx.com)
Date: Fri Feb 14 11:48:01 2003
Subject: launch
Message-ID: <001b01c2d448$3ddfb4c0$0201a8c0@nh2>

Hi all, I am looking for a command that launches a file with the associated
application set by Windows.  Using the Launch command wants the application
name along with the file name, and using revGoUrl launches it in the web
browser along with the helper app.  I simply want to mimic a double click on
a file name and let the op system associate the app with the extension.

Thanks again.



From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Feb 14 11:59:01 2003
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri Feb 14 11:59:01 2003
Subject: launch
In-Reply-To: <001b01c2d448$3ddfb4c0$0201a8c0@nh2>
Message-ID: <14A2AB16-403D-11D7-B0CB-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>

On Friday, February 14, 2003, at 09:43 AM, runrev at technetx.com wrote:

> Hi all, I am looking for a command that launches a file with the 
> associated
> application set by Windows.  Using the Launch command wants the 
> application
> name along with the file name, and using revGoUrl launches it in the 
> web
> browser along with the helper app.  I simply want to mimic a double 
> click on
> a file name and let the op system associate the app with the extension.

Windows "start" might do what you want.

Dar Scott



From gareth_beanie20 at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 14 12:17:01 2003
From: gareth_beanie20 at hotmail.com (gareth Davies)
Date: Fri Feb 14 12:17:01 2003
Subject: animation timeline
Message-ID: <F92K8onzvMMl6Dcu4nO00024b3b@hotmail.com>

Hello, My name is Gareth and I am currently on my final year of my computer 
studies degree.
For my project I need to investigate open source multimedia tools, I am 
currently looking at revolution, but I don't know how to use the animation 
timeline.

Can anybody help me please!!!

_________________________________________________________________
MSN Messenger - fast, easy and FREE! http://messenger.msn.co.uk



From dleyanna at rtl.org  Fri Feb 14 12:26:00 2003
From: dleyanna at rtl.org (Dave LeYanna)
Date: Fri Feb 14 12:26:00 2003
Subject: animation timeline
References: <F92K8onzvMMl6Dcu4nO00024b3b@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <3E4D25F1.2050201@rtl.org>

Rev is NOT OPEN SOURCE!
It may have a no-charge version but the source code to the software is 
not available and it is not licensed under any open source type of 
licienced agreement.

You can use the advance Google search and look under animation.

timeline producted 8 hits
anaimation produced 214

djl

gareth Davies wrote:
> Hello, My name is Gareth and I am currently on my final year of my 
> computer studies degree.
> For my project I need to investigate open source multimedia tools, I am 
> currently looking at revolution, but I don't know how to use the 
> animation timeline.
> 
> Can anybody help me please!!!
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
> MSN Messenger - fast, easy and FREE! http://messenger.msn.co.uk
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 




From dleyanna at rtl.org  Fri Feb 14 12:49:00 2003
From: dleyanna at rtl.org (Dave LeYanna)
Date: Fri Feb 14 12:49:00 2003
Subject: animation timeline
References: <F92K8onzvMMl6Dcu4nO00024b3b@hotmail.com> <3E4D25F1.2050201@rtl.org>
Message-ID: <3E4D2B4A.8030106@rtl.org>

Sorry, I forgot the link!

http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com


Dave LeYanna wrote:
> Rev is NOT OPEN SOURCE!
> It may have a no-charge version but the source code to the software is 
> not available and it is not licensed under any open source type of 
> licienced agreement.
> 
> You can use the advance Google search and look under animation.
> 
> timeline producted 8 hits
> anaimation produced 214
> 
> djl
> 
> gareth Davies wrote:
> 
>> Hello, My name is Gareth and I am currently on my final year of my 
>> computer studies degree.
>> For my project I need to investigate open source multimedia tools, I 
>> am currently looking at revolution, but I don't know how to use the 
>> animation timeline.
>>
>> Can anybody help me please!!!
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> MSN Messenger - fast, easy and FREE! http://messenger.msn.co.uk
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 




From alrice at ARCplanning.com  Fri Feb 14 14:38:01 2003
From: alrice at ARCplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Fri Feb 14 14:38:01 2003
Subject: get function() of the target?
In-Reply-To: <v0313037aba71e611f62f@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <40980863-4053-11D7-AEDF-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>

On Thursday, February 13, 2003, at 05:18  PM, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote:

> At 1:53 PM -0800 2/13/03, Alex Rice wrote:
>> The problem is that when the preOpenCard handler runs in the 
>> mainstack,
>> I want to call the isActiveCard() function that's defined in *the
>> target* card, not the mainstack.
>
> It sounds like you need the value function.

Ah! Thanks.

> See "How to call a custom
> function that's not in the message path", too.
>
I can't find this in the docs. What section of the Dev Guide? I did 
find a similar tip in RevNet though, which says to use value().

Thanks,

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From miscdas at boxfrog.com  Fri Feb 14 14:49:01 2003
From: miscdas at boxfrog.com (miscdas at boxfrog.com)
Date: Fri Feb 14 14:49:01 2003
Subject: launch
In-Reply-To: <001b01c2d448$3ddfb4c0$0201a8c0@nh2> 
References: <001b01c2d448$3ddfb4c0$0201a8c0@nh2>
Message-ID: <20030214194647.54039.qmail@www.boxfrog.com>

runrev at technetx.com writes: 

> Hi all, I am looking for a command that launches a file with the associated application set by Windows.  Using the Launch command wants the application name along with the file name, and using revGoUrl launches it in the web browser along with the helper app.  I simply want to mimic a double click on a file name and let the op system associate the app with the extension. 
> 
> Thanks again. 
> 
 ------------------------
This works on WIN XP PRO, MC 2.4.3
You supply the full path and file name, and if the file type associations 
are set, the associated app is launced and the file opens. 

In this example, Notepad launches and opens the specified text file, then my 
bowser (IE) is launched and the HTML doc is opened. 

on mouseUp
   get shell ("start C:\ZinioInstall.txt")
   get shell ("start C:\TheCompleteRegularExpressionGuide.htm")
end mouseUp 

miscdas 



From runrev at technetx.com  Fri Feb 14 17:20:01 2003
From: runrev at technetx.com (runrev at technetx.com)
Date: Fri Feb 14 17:20:01 2003
Subject: launch
References: <001b01c2d448$3ddfb4c0$0201a8c0@nh2> <20030214194647.54039.qmail@www.boxfrog.com>
Message-ID: <000b01c2d476$8e2f7720$0201a8c0@nh2>

When doing it that way on WinMe, it has to launch a dos window first, then
launches the associated application and file.  While it does work, it just
doesn't seem "clean" to me.  I think I'll just write/compile a small Delphi
app and include with my pub to accomplish this and a few other things.

Thanks!


----- Original Message -----
From: <miscdas at boxfrog.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: launch


> runrev at technetx.com writes:
>
> > Hi all, I am looking for a command that launches a file with the
associated application set by Windows.  Using the Launch command wants the
application name along with the file name, and using revGoUrl launches it in
the web browser along with the hel
> per app.  I simply want to mimic a double click on a file name and let the
op system associate the app with the extension.
> >
> > Thanks again.
> >
>  ------------------------
> This works on WIN XP PRO, MC 2.4.3
> You supply the full path and file name, and if the file type associations
> are set, the associated app is launced and the file opens.
>
> In this example, Notepad launches and opens the specified text file, then
my
> bowser (IE) is launched and the HTML doc is opened.
>
> on mouseUp
>    get shell ("start C:\ZinioInstall.txt")
>    get shell ("start C:\TheCompleteRegularExpressionGuide.htm")
> end mouseUp
>
> miscdas
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Feb 14 18:45:01 2003
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri Feb 14 18:45:01 2003
Subject: Some install issues
In-Reply-To: <000901c2d447$96056e20$0201a8c0@nh2>
Message-ID: <ACEELABEAIANJNCEJFMAAEIJDFAA.chipp@chipp.com>

Ron,

This is a known problem. Here's the fix. Don't delete the .exe (or move it)
from the standalone folder. Just copy it to where you want it and test it
there. If you want to delete it, then delete the WHOLE standalone folder.

-Chipp

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of
> runrev at technetx.com
> Sent: Friday, February 14, 2003 10:39 AM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: Some install issues
>
>
> You know Chipp, I think you're on to something.  I do believe it
> does happen
> typically after build distribution.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chipp Walters" <chipp at chipp.com>
> To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 8:06 PM
> Subject: RE: Some install issues
>
>
> > Ron,
> >
> > Does it seem to happen right after you do a 'Build Distribution'?
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com
> > > [mailto:use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of
> > > runrev at technetx.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 7:00 PM
> > > To: Run Time Revolution USE
> > > Subject: Some install issues
> > >
> > >
> > > Every once in a while, revolution seems to delete itself from the
> > > directory
> > > and when I click to start it, it tries to reinstall.  It's
> strange.  The
> > > only fix when it happens is I have to actually use the original
> > > revolution.exe I downloaded to install it again, then re-enter my
> license
> > > information.
> > >
> > > Does this happen to anyone else?
> > >
> > > Revolution 1.1.1
> > > WindowsME
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > > Ron
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > use-revolution mailing list
> > > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
> _______________________________________________
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From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Fri Feb 14 19:49:01 2003
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Fri Feb 14 19:49:01 2003
Subject: launch
In-Reply-To: <001b01c2d448$3ddfb4c0$0201a8c0@nh2>
Message-ID: <FLEGJBMJADGKMCHIMFOHEEJKCOAA.monte@sweattechnologies.com>

Try

on launchFile pFileName
  switch the platform
  case "Win32"
    set the hideConsoleWindows to true
    put empty into theTitle
    if "NT" is in the systemVersion then
      set the shellCommand to "cmd.exe"
      put quote & quote into theTitle
    end if
    get shell("start" && theTitle && Qt(pFileName))
    break
  case "MacOS"
    if word 1 of the systemVersion >=10 then
      do ("open location "&Qt(pFileName)) as appleScript
    else
      do ("open location "&Qt(revMacFromUnixPath(pFileName))) as appleScript
    end if
    break
  default
    get shell("konquerer" && Qt(pFileName))
    break
  end switch
end launchFile

Cheers

Monte

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of
> runrev at technetx.com
> Sent: Saturday, 15 February 2003 3:14 AM
> To: Run Time Revolution USE
> Subject: launch
>
>
> Hi all, I am looking for a command that launches a file with the
> associated
> application set by Windows.  Using the Launch command wants the
> application
> name along with the file name, and using revGoUrl launches it in the web
> browser along with the helper app.  I simply want to mimic a
> double click on
> a file name and let the op system associate the app with the extension.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Fri Feb 14 20:11:02 2003
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Fri Feb 14 20:11:02 2003
Subject: launch
In-Reply-To: <FLEGJBMJADGKMCHIMFOHEEJKCOAA.monte@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <FLEGJBMJADGKMCHIMFOHKEJKCOAA.monte@sweattechnologies.com>

Sorry

Qt is a quoting function:

function Ot pToQuote
  return quote&pToQuote&quote
end Qt
>
> Try
>
> on launchFile pFileName
>   switch the platform
>   case "Win32"
>     set the hideConsoleWindows to true
>     put empty into theTitle
>     if "NT" is in the systemVersion then
>       set the shellCommand to "cmd.exe"
>       put quote & quote into theTitle
>     end if
>     get shell("start" && theTitle && Qt(pFileName))
>     break
>   case "MacOS"
>     if word 1 of the systemVersion >=10 then
>       do ("open location "&Qt(pFileName)) as appleScript
>     else
>       do ("open location "&Qt(revMacFromUnixPath(pFileName))) as
> appleScript
>     end if
>     break
>   default
>     get shell("konquerer" && Qt(pFileName))
>     break
>   end switch
> end launchFile
>
> Cheers
>
> Monte
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com
> > [mailto:use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of
> > runrev at technetx.com
> > Sent: Saturday, 15 February 2003 3:14 AM
> > To: Run Time Revolution USE
> > Subject: launch
> >
> >
> > Hi all, I am looking for a command that launches a file with the
> > associated
> > application set by Windows.  Using the Launch command wants the
> > application
> > name along with the file name, and using revGoUrl launches it in the web
> > browser along with the helper app.  I simply want to mimic a
> > double click on
> > a file name and let the op system associate the app with the extension.
> >
> > Thanks again.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From gwills at ozemail.com.au  Sat Feb 15 08:07:01 2003
From: gwills at ozemail.com.au (Greg Wills)
Date: Sat Feb 15 08:07:01 2003
Subject: Button images
In-Reply-To: <200302101702.MAA11152@www.runrev.com>
References: <200302101702.MAA11152@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05001900ba73d969e01e@[210.84.176.64]>

Hi all

This should be easy but I am struggling with this at the moment. I 
have been following the discussion on graphics in buttons with 
interest, however I am stuck at step one!

I have a stack "Display" and a sub-stack "GraphicsStore". I can set a 
button id 1005 (in the "Display" stack) to a image id 1234 in the 
substack via the properties palette, however I am having trouble 
changing the image via a script.

I can remove the icon by;

set the icon of button id 1005 to image id 0

however

set the icon of button id 1005 to image id 1234
or
set the icon of button id 1005 to image id 1234 of substack "GraphicsStore"

is not doing a thing.

I would appreciate any clues as to the correct syntax for changing 
the button icons.

Thanks

Greg


From toeloop at swissonline.ch  Sat Feb 15 08:39:01 2003
From: toeloop at swissonline.ch (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Thomas_B=E4hler?=)
Date: Sat Feb 15 08:39:01 2003
Subject: Windows Standalone didn't work
Message-ID: <470D53DF-40EA-11D7-ADC5-00306555CAAA@swissonline.ch>

Just wanted to let you know...
A few weeks ago I was fishing for clues why my Standalone Distribution 
for Windows didn't work.
Yesterday I found out what troubled the interpreter (or whoever is in 
charge) on the Windows system.
I used the less-or-equal-sign (option - <) in three different handlers, 
which is no problem on a Mac, but
has to be substituted with the "<= " combination for Windows. This is 
documented in the Transcript Dictionary,
but with more than ten years in HyperCar, SuperCard and Mac only, I 
wasn't aware...

Tracking down the problem did improve the scripts a lot, but the best 
thing really is, that the stack finally works.

Cheers
Thomas



From dleyanna at rtl.org  Sat Feb 15 08:44:01 2003
From: dleyanna at rtl.org (Dave LeYanna)
Date: Sat Feb 15 08:44:01 2003
Subject: Windows Standalone didn't work
References: <470D53DF-40EA-11D7-ADC5-00306555CAAA@swissonline.ch>
Message-ID: <3E4E4357.50009@rtl.org>

Thanks for updating us with the solution.

djl

Thomas B?hler wrote:
> Just wanted to let you know...
> A few weeks ago I was fishing for clues why my Standalone Distribution 
> for Windows didn't work.
> Yesterday I found out what troubled the interpreter (or whoever is in 
> charge) on the Windows system.
> I used the less-or-equal-sign (option - <) in three different handlers, 
> which is no problem on a Mac, but
> has to be substituted with the "<= " combination for Windows. This is 
> documented in the Transcript Dictionary,
> but with more than ten years in HyperCar, SuperCard and Mac only, I 
> wasn't aware...
> 
> Tracking down the problem did improve the scripts a lot, but the best 
> thing really is, that the stack finally works.
> 
> Cheers
> Thomas
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 




From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Sat Feb 15 08:57:01 2003
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Sat Feb 15 08:57:01 2003
Subject: Button images
Message-ID: <OFFEDBCF8C.B8FF8867-ON85256CCE.004C0282@sealedair.com>

> I have a stack "Display" and a sub-stack "GraphicsStore". I can set a
> button id 1005 (in the "Display" stack) to a image id 1234 in the
> substack via the properties palette, however I am having trouble
> changing the image via a script.
>
> I can remove the icon by;
>
> set the icon of button id 1005 to image id 0
>
> however
>
> set the icon of button id 1005 to image id 1234
> or
> set the icon of button id 1005 to image id 1234 of substack
"GraphicsStore"

Greg,

You don't have to say "image id". Just leave that out and use the number
alone... like this:

set the icon of button id 1005 to 1234

Roger Eller
roger.e.eller at sealedair.com





From k_major at os.surf2000.de  Sat Feb 15 10:02:01 2003
From: k_major at os.surf2000.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sat Feb 15 10:02:01 2003
Subject: Button images
In-Reply-To: <a05001900ba73d969e01e@[210.84.176.64]>
Message-ID: <F56F6B84-40F5-11D7-B108-000A27B49A96@os.surf2000.de>

Hi Greg,

> Hi all
>
> This should be easy but I am struggling with this at the moment. I 
> have been following the discussion on graphics in buttons with 
> interest, however I am stuck at step one!
> I have a stack "Display" and a sub-stack "GraphicsStore". I can set a 
> button id 1005 (in the "Display" stack) to a image id 1234 in the 
> substack via the properties palette, however I am having trouble 
> changing the image via a script.
> I can remove the icon by;
> set the icon of button id 1005 to image id 0
>
> however
>
> set the icon of button id 1005 to image id 1234
> or
> set the icon of button id 1005 to image id 1234 of substack 
> "GraphicsStore"
>
> is not doing a thing.
>
> I would appreciate any clues as to the correct syntax for changing the 
> button icons.
>
> Thanks
>
> Greg

the correct syntax is like this:

set the icon of btn x to 1003
## without "image id", just the naked id, or

set the icon of btn x to the id of image "pic1" of cd 1 of stack "xyz"
## the complete decription (of cd x of stack y) is necessary in that 
case...


Hope that helps.

Have a nice weekend.


Regards


Klaus Major
k_major at os.surf2000.de



From xslaugh at hotmail.com  Sat Feb 15 11:53:02 2003
From: xslaugh at hotmail.com (Scott Slaugh)
Date: Sat Feb 15 11:53:02 2003
Subject: Relative File Name
Message-ID: <BAY1-F1570E5JLOA2pH0000c652@hotmail.com>

I have a stack with several images in it that I would like to store in an 
external file.  Instead of having the filename of of the images then point 
to the exact location of a file, I would like to have them point just to a 
folder and the image name.  For example, if I have a folder called images, I 
want to be able to set the filename to "images/image1.gif," rather than 
something like "c:\program\images\image1.gif."  Is there any way to do this?

Scott Slaugh

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From mike at cyber-ny.com  Sat Feb 15 12:22:01 2003
From: mike at cyber-ny.com (Mike Brown)
Date: Sat Feb 15 12:22:01 2003
Subject: Relative File Name
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F1570E5JLOA2pH0000c652@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BA73E062.24C4%mike@cyber-ny.com>

Hi Scott,

I am not sure if this is what you were asking, but for getting files stored
in a folder relative to my stack I do the following.

I get the filename of my Rev stack or App and store the location in a
variable such as gStackLoc.  You have to delete the last item of the
filename from the variable because that will be the actual name of your
stack.  I do that by scripting:

Global gStackLoc
Put the filename of this stack into gStackLoc
Set the itemdelimiter to /
Delete the last item of gStackLoc

That way when I look for a file that is always stored in a folder relative
to my stack location I can add the path to the end the variable like this:

Get file gStackLoc & "/images/image1.gif"

Or

Global gFileLoc
Put gStackLoc & "/images/image1.gif" into gFileLoc
Get file gFileLoc

Maybe somebody out there has a simpler method for this, if not I hope this
info is helpful.

Best,
Mike

Mike Brown
Cyber-NY Interactive
212-475-2721
1-888-70-CYBER
mike at cyber-ny.com


On 2/15/03 11:48 AM, "Scott Slaugh" <xslaugh at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I have a stack with several images in it that I would like to store in an
> external file.  Instead of having the filename of of the images then point
> to the exact location of a file, I would like to have them point just to a
> folder and the image name.  For example, if I have a folder called images, I
> want to be able to set the filename to "images/image1.gif," rather than
> something like "c:\program\images\image1.gif."  Is there any way to do this?
> 
> Scott Slaugh
> 
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From k_major at os.surf2000.de  Sat Feb 15 12:25:01 2003
From: k_major at os.surf2000.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sat Feb 15 12:25:01 2003
Subject: Relative File Name
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F1570E5JLOA2pH0000c652@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <0C29CD7E-410A-11D7-B108-000A27B49A96@os.surf2000.de>

Hi Scott,

> I have a stack with several images in it that I would like to store in 
> an external file.  Instead of having the filename of of the images 
> then point to the exact location of a file, I would like to have them 
> point just to a folder and the image name.  For example, if I have a 
> folder called images, I want to be able to set the filename to 
> "images/image1.gif," rather than something like 
> "c:\program\images\image1.gif."  Is there any way to do this?
>
> Scott Slaugh

just add this to your preopenstack-handler:

...
get the effective filename of this stack
set the itemdel to "/"
delete item -1 of it
set the directory to it
## Now the defaulkt-folder is the folder
## where this stack is in...
...

 From now on, relative paths will work :-)

Hope that helps.


Have a nice weekend.


Regards

Klaus Major
k_major at os.surf2000.de



From dsc at swcp.com  Sat Feb 15 12:56:01 2003
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sat Feb 15 12:56:01 2003
Subject: launch
In-Reply-To: <000b01c2d476$8e2f7720$0201a8c0@nh2>
Message-ID: <2A0EA508-410E-11D7-9880-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>

On Friday, February 14, 2003, at 03:15 PM, runrev at technetx.com wrote:

> When doing it that way on WinMe, it has to launch a dos window first, 
> then
> launches the associated application and file.  While it does work, it 
> just
> doesn't seem "clean" to me.

If you look closely at Monte's example, you will see hideConsoleWindows 
set to true.  This prevents the command window from being visible.  
This may meet your requirement for a clean launch.

Dar Scott



From jhurley at infostations.com  Sat Feb 15 14:19:01 2003
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Sat Feb 15 14:19:01 2003
Subject: Button images
In-Reply-To: <200302151655.LAA19218@www.runrev.com>
References: <200302151655.LAA19218@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05010407ba743fbe90a8@[66.81.52.114]>

>
>  Greg Wills  wrote:
>
>Hi all
>
>This should be easy but I am struggling with this at the moment. I
>have been following the discussion on graphics in buttons with
>interest, however I am stuck at step one!
>
>I have a stack "Display" and a sub-stack "GraphicsStore". I can set a
>button id 1005 (in the "Display" stack) to a image id 1234 in the
>substack via the properties palette, however I am having trouble
>changing the image via a script.
>
>I can remove the icon by;
>
>set the icon of button id 1005 to image id 0
>
>however
>
>set the icon of button id 1005 to image id 1234
>or
>set the icon of button id 1005 to image id 1234 of substack "GraphicsStore"
>
>is not doing a thing.
>
>I would appreciate any clues as to the correct syntax for changing
>the button icons.
>
>Thanks
>
>Greg

Greg,

One way to  set the button icons programmatically is to run  the 
"setUp" handler below. It presumes that each button which  is  to 
receive an image icon has been given the same name as the  image in 
the substack. It will run through all the cards in the main stack and 
if it finds a button whose name corresponds to an image in the 
substack, it will assign the image id to the button. (All images are 
located on the one card in the substack. It is relatively quick and 
painless.

On setUp
Lock screen
   repeat with i =1 to the number of cards
     set the defaultstack to "myStack"
     go to card i
     repeat with j = 1 to the number of buttons
       put the short name of button j into tButtonName
       set the defaultstack to "mySubstack"
       if there is an image tButtonName then put the id of image 
tButtonName into tImageID
       set the defaultstack to "images"
       set the icon of button j to tImageID
     end repeat
   end repeat
   unlock screen
end setUp

Jim Hurley


From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Sat Feb 15 14:46:01 2003
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sat Feb 15 14:46:01 2003
Subject: Relative File Name
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F1570E5JLOA2pH0000c652@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <8353F246-411D-11D7-BC05-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com>

You can do exactly what you describe -- refer to the image as 
"images/image1.gif" There's no setup required.

The drawback is that the default path to start from is the application, 
so during development you would need to have the images folder in the 
same folder as the Revolution application, _not_ the same folder as the 
stack is in (unless the stack is in the same folder as the Revolution 
app, of course).

When you build a standalone, move the images folder into the same 
folder as the standalone.

regards,

Geoff

On Saturday, February 15, 2003, at 08:48 AM, Scott Slaugh wrote:

> I have a stack with several images in it that I would like to store in 
> an external file.  Instead of having the filename of of the images 
> then point to the exact location of a file, I would like to have them 
> point just to a folder and the image name.  For example, if I have a 
> folder called images, I want to be able to set the filename to 
> "images/image1.gif," rather than something like 
> "c:\program\images\image1.gif."  Is there any way to do this?
>
> Scott Slaugh

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com



From gwills at ozemail.com.au  Sat Feb 15 18:56:01 2003
From: gwills at ozemail.com.au (Greg Wills)
Date: Sat Feb 15 18:56:01 2003
Subject: Button images
In-Reply-To: <200302151659.LAA19452@www.runrev.com>
References: <200302151659.LAA19452@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05001900ba74719ca250@[210.84.176.129]>

Thanks Roger, Thanks Klaus - of course, so simple. You don't know 
what a great sense of relief I had this morning when I tried this 
out. I am now off and running.

By the way Klaus, you were a little slow at responding this time. 
Roger was way ahead of you. (At least in the list order.) Were you 
catching up on some sleep or something - or is there an other 
distraction in your life!! Thanks again.

cheers

Greg

>
>>  I have a stack "Display" and a sub-stack "GraphicsStore". I can set a
>>  button id 1005 (in the "Display" stack) to a image id 1234 in the
>>  substack via the properties palette, however I am having trouble
>>  changing the image via a script.
>>
>>  I can remove the icon by;
>>
>>  set the icon of button id 1005 to image id 0
>>
>>  however
>>
>>  set the icon of button id 1005 to image id 1234
>>  or
>>  set the icon of button id 1005 to image id 1234 of substack
>"GraphicsStore"
>
>Greg,
>
>You don't have to say "image id". Just leave that out and use the number
>alone... like this:
>
>set the icon of button id 1005 to 1234
>
>Roger Eller
>roger.e.eller at sealedair.com



>
>
>the correct syntax is like this:
>
>set the icon of btn x to 1003
>## without "image id", just the naked id, or
>
>set the icon of btn x to the id of image "pic1" of cd 1 of stack "xyz"
>## the complete decription (of cd x of stack y) is necessary in that
>case...
>
>
>Hope that helps.
>
>Have a nice weekend.
>
>
>Regards
>
>
>Klaus Major
>k_major at os.surf2000.de
>


From pixelbird at interisland.net  Sat Feb 15 19:41:01 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Sat Feb 15 19:41:01 2003
Subject: Dealing with the dictionary
In-Reply-To: <200302141701.MAA05834@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA742220.6CEB%pixelbird@interisland.net>

**********
Hi Geoff,

> Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 00:43:14 -0800
> Subject: Re: Dealing with the dictionary
> From: Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com>
> 
> First, it doesn't free up the memory because Revolution doesn't
> actually close a stack when you close it. It remains in memory. This
> can be changed by setting the destroyStack of the stack to true.
----------
OK, so I set the destroyStack property of the stack to true, and close it.
Will it be lost? or is is still in its folder? (destroyStack sounds
dangerous).
----------
> Second, you can export the docs to a text file, to HTML, or to RTF, and
> then refer to that. There's an exporter stack on the User Contributions
> page.
---------- 
I couldn't find an exporter stack per se. What's the name?

TIA,
Ken N.



From k_major at os.surf2000.de  Sat Feb 15 20:08:01 2003
From: k_major at os.surf2000.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sat Feb 15 20:08:01 2003
Subject: Button images
In-Reply-To: <a05001900ba74719ca250@[210.84.176.129]>
Message-ID: <A2FD217E-414A-11D7-B108-000A27B49A96@os.surf2000.de>

Hi Greg,

> ...
> By the way Klaus, you were a little slow at responding this time.
> Roger was way ahead of you. (At least in the list order.)

Mist, merde, bugger! ;-)

> Were you catching up on some sleep or something -
> or is there an other distraction in your life!! Thanks again.

Well, believe me or not, but sometimes i do spend some time
with my girlfriend... :-)

> cheers
>
> Greg

Have a nice weekend.


Regards

Klaus Major
k_major at os.surf2000.de



From valetia at mac.com  Sun Feb 16 02:18:01 2003
From: valetia at mac.com (valetia at mac.com)
Date: Sun Feb 16 02:18:01 2003
Subject: Dealing with the dictionary
In-Reply-To: <BA742220.6CEB%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <BA757775.1F5C4%valetia@mac.com>

Hi Ken,

>> First, it doesn't free up the memory because Revolution doesn't
>> actually close a stack when you close it. It remains in memory. This
>> can be changed by setting the destroyStack of the stack to true.
> ----------
> OK, so I set the destroyStack property of the stack to true, and close it.
> Will it be lost? or is is still in its folder? (destroyStack sounds
> dangerous).

destroyStack only removes the closed stack from memory, but doesn't delete
it from the hard drive, so it's not as dangerous as it sounds. :-)

>> Second, you can export the docs to a text file, to HTML, or to RTF, and
>> then refer to that. There's an exporter stack on the User Contributions
>> page.
> ---------- 
> I couldn't find an exporter stack per se. What's the name?

The name of the listing on the page is:

"Revolution Docs -> RTF, Text and HTML Converter version 1.1"

...and here's the direct link to the file:

http://www.runrev.com/revolution/downloads/developerdownloads/revrtfer.zip

Hope this helps.

Valetia




From Mike at Doub.com  Sun Feb 16 14:25:01 2003
From: Mike at Doub.com (Mike Doub)
Date: Sun Feb 16 14:25:01 2003
Subject: POP3 or IMAP
Message-ID: <000001c2d5f0$86a19940$15596718@fusion>

Has anyone developed any code to get mail via POP3?   I seem to be having
problems reopening a socket.

Thanks
   Mike




From nfeasey at utpress.utoronto.ca  Sun Feb 16 16:11:01 2003
From: nfeasey at utpress.utoronto.ca (Nicholas Feasey)
Date: Sun Feb 16 16:11:01 2003
Subject: Properties Issue?
In-Reply-To: <BA66C3E5.6B53%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <8C3D68BA-41F2-11D7-9FAA-000393D9515C@utpress.utoronto.ca>

I have opened my application, as per usual, and now when I select a 
field I can no longer bring up the Properties or colours windows any 
more.

I am running under Mac OS X 10.2.4 with the Mac OS Emulated Look and 
Feel turned on.

It's only happening in this application and is very strange.

Has anyone encountered this issue before as I have no idea what in the 
heck is going on here.

Any assistance, as always, would be greatly appreciated.

N



From nfeasey at utpress.utoronto.ca  Sun Feb 16 16:27:01 2003
From: nfeasey at utpress.utoronto.ca (Nicholas Feasey)
Date: Sun Feb 16 16:27:01 2003
Subject: Properties Issue? - RESOLVED
In-Reply-To: <8C3D68BA-41F2-11D7-9FAA-000393D9515C@utpress.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <C688D7ED-41F4-11D7-9FAA-000393D9515C@utpress.utoronto.ca>

Hmm?

I just wanted to let everyone know that a re-installation of Revolution 
fixed the issue in which the Properties/Colours windows would NOT come 
up anymore within my application.

Now, perhaps I turned something on/off by mistake - I have no idea - or 
by upgrading to Mac OS X 10.2.4 actually caused the issue?  I only know 
that this actually fixed the issue.

Perhaps someone can shed some light on this?

N


On Sunday, February 16, 2003, at 04:06  PM, Nicholas Feasey wrote:

> I have opened my application, as per usual, and now when I select a 
> field I can no longer bring up the Properties or colours windows any 
> more.
>
> I am running under Mac OS X 10.2.4 with the Mac OS Emulated Look and 
> Feel turned on.
>
> It's only happening in this application and is very strange.
>
> Has anyone encountered this issue before as I have no idea what in the 
> heck is going on here.
>
> Any assistance, as always, would be greatly appreciated.
>
> N
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Sun Feb 16 17:22:01 2003
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah)
Date: Sun Feb 16 17:22:01 2003
Subject: POP3 or IMAP
In-Reply-To: <a05111a8eba759631c537@[192.168.0.100]>
Message-ID: <6D53CE16-41FC-11D7-B730-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

Yes, I have. What exactly is the problem? Are you making the connection 
once and then not being able to re-make it a second time? if so, it 
sounds like the socket is not being closed correctly. Check your 
variables to make sure that the script that closes the socket is 
closing the correct port and that it is actually being used. Also if 
you get an error during connection, make sure that the socket is closed 
properly.

To make absolutely sure that any open sockets have been closed, you can 
always run a script like this:

   repeat until the openSockets  is empty
     close socket line 1 of the openSockets
   end repeat

although you need to be sure that no other part of your program might 
legitimately have an open socket at the same time.

Let me know if this doesn't help, or send me your stack off-list and 
I'll be happy to see what I can do.

Cheers,
Sarah


On Monday, February 17, 2003, at 05:25  am, Mike Doub wrote:

> Has anyone developed any code to get mail via POP3?   I seem to be 
> having
> problems reopening a socket.
>
> Thanks
>    Mike
>
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>




From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Sun Feb 16 18:05:01 2003
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun Feb 16 18:05:01 2003
Subject: Dealing with the dictionary
In-Reply-To: <BA742220.6CEB%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <86A1398B-4202-11D7-BC05-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com>

destroyStack only affects the image of the stack in memory, not the  
disk file. It's perfectly safe.

The exporter is on the user contributions page:

http://www.runrev.com/revolution/developers/developerdownloads/ 
usercontributions.html

Search for my name.

On Saturday, February 15, 2003, at 04:58 PM, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:

> **********
> Hi Geoff,
>
>> Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 00:43:14 -0800
>> Subject: Re: Dealing with the dictionary
>> From: Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com>
>>
>> First, it doesn't free up the memory because Revolution doesn't
>> actually close a stack when you close it. It remains in memory. This
>> can be changed by setting the destroyStack of the stack to true.
> ----------
> OK, so I set the destroyStack property of the stack to true, and close  
> it.
> Will it be lost? or is is still in its folder? (destroyStack sounds
> dangerous).
> ----------
>> Second, you can export the docs to a text file, to HTML, or to RTF,  
>> and
>> then refer to that. There's an exporter stack on the User  
>> Contributions
>> page.
> ----------
> I couldn't find an exporter stack per se. What's the name?

I hope this helps. Feel free to contact me if you have any further  
questions.

regards,

Geoff Canyon
Revolution Support
--
Geoff Canyon <geoff at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
Tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165.  Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707.



From nfeasey at utpress.utoronto.ca  Sun Feb 16 18:07:02 2003
From: nfeasey at utpress.utoronto.ca (Nicholas Feasey)
Date: Sun Feb 16 18:07:02 2003
Subject: Properties Issue? - RESOLVED - Nope, not quite
In-Reply-To: <C688D7ED-41F4-11D7-9FAA-000393D9515C@utpress.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <9FBFFEA2-4202-11D7-8DB6-000393D9515C@utpress.utoronto.ca>

So, now the Properties and Text window come up when you double click on 
the field but the Colours window does NOT.

I am at a loss as to what is going on there.

Does anyone have any ideas?

N

On Sunday, February 16, 2003, at 04:22  PM, Nicholas Feasey wrote:

> Hmm?
>
> I just wanted to let everyone know that a re-installation of 
> Revolution fixed the issue in which the Properties/Colours windows 
> would NOT come up anymore within my application.
>
> Now, perhaps I turned something on/off by mistake - I have no idea - 
> or by upgrading to Mac OS X 10.2.4 actually caused the issue?  I only 
> know that this actually fixed the issue.
>
> Perhaps someone can shed some light on this?
>
> N
>
>
> On Sunday, February 16, 2003, at 04:06  PM, Nicholas Feasey wrote:
>
>> I have opened my application, as per usual, and now when I select a 
>> field I can no longer bring up the Properties or colours windows any 
>> more.
>>
>> I am running under Mac OS X 10.2.4 with the Mac OS Emulated Look and 
>> Feel turned on.
>>
>> It's only happening in this application and is very strange.
>>
>> Has anyone encountered this issue before as I have no idea what in 
>> the heck is going on here.
>>
>> Any assistance, as always, would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> N
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Sun Feb 16 18:38:01 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Sun Feb 16 18:38:01 2003
Subject: Dealing with the dictionary
In-Reply-To: <200302161701.MAA02891@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA7564E4.6CFD%pixelbird@interisland.net>

**********
> Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 17:14:29 +1000
> Subject: Re: Dealing with the dictionary
> From: "valetia at mac.com" <valetia at mac.com>

>> ---------- 
>> I couldn't find an exporter stack per se. What's the name?
> 
> The name of the listing on the page is:
> 
> "Revolution Docs -> RTF, Text and HTML Converter version 1.1"
----------
I have it, but I don't understand how it works. When I open it in Rev, it
just gets the  docs like the Help menu would. If I open it by itself, it
does nothing.

It looks like all its for is printing in various formats, which is not what
I want.

What, exactly, should I do with it?

TIA
Ken N.



From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Sun Feb 16 19:15:01 2003
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah)
Date: Sun Feb 16 19:15:01 2003
Subject: Properties Issue? - RESOLVED - Nope, not quite
In-Reply-To: <a05111a08ba75ca44b73e@[192.168.0.100]>
Message-ID: <3CC416F7-420C-11D7-88BE-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

It isn't supposed to. The Properties palette opens when you 
double-click on an object and if you have the Text &/or Color palettes 
already open, they will change to reflect the newly selected object, 
but normally, you will have to open the Text & Colors palettes 
specifically by clicking on the relevant icons in the toolbar.

I have had the occasional bug where NO palettes will open, but 
restarting Revolution seems to fix that OK.

Cheers,
Sarah

On Monday, February 17, 2003, at 09:07  am, Nicholas Feasey wrote:

> So, now the Properties and Text window come up when you double click 
> on the field but the Colours window does NOT.
>
> I am at a loss as to what is going on there.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas?
>
> N
>
> On Sunday, February 16, 2003, at 04:22  PM, Nicholas Feasey wrote:
>
>> Hmm?
>>
>> I just wanted to let everyone know that a re-installation of 
>> Revolution fixed the issue in which the Properties/Colours windows 
>> would NOT come up anymore within my application.
>>
>> Now, perhaps I turned something on/off by mistake - I have no idea - 
>> or by upgrading to Mac OS X 10.2.4 actually caused the issue?  I only 
>> know that this actually fixed the issue.
>>
>> Perhaps someone can shed some light on this?
>>
>> N
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, February 16, 2003, at 04:06  PM, Nicholas Feasey wrote:
>>
>>> I have opened my application, as per usual, and now when I select a 
>>> field I can no longer bring up the Properties or colours windows any 
>>> more.
>>>
>>> I am running under Mac OS X 10.2.4 with the Mac OS Emulated Look and 
>>> Feel turned on.
>>>
>>> It's only happening in this application and is very strange.
>>>
>>> Has anyone encountered this issue before as I have no idea what in 
>>> the heck is going on here.
>>>
>>> Any assistance, as always, would be greatly appreciated.
>>>
>>> N
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
> _______________________________________________
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From bornstein at designeq.com  Mon Feb 17 00:07:01 2003
From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Mon Feb 17 00:07:01 2003
Subject: Frozen card
Message-ID: <200302170503.h1H533b1004268@ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com>

My current project just wigged out under Rev 1.1.1. Suddenly, one card 
(not one I'd been working on) causes a freeze whenever I try to go to it. 
It doesn't matter if it's via the normal button to get there or simply 
typing "Go to card 5" in the msg box. Instant freezo.

I'm not sending it into Rev Support because, fortunately, the Rev 2.0 
pre-beta handles this card with no problems. In fact, I've found the 
pre-beta, for the stuff I've done so far, to be remarkably stable. I love 
the fact that it can read this stack without a hiccup, where as Rev 1.1.1 
dies.

I've ended up doing some development in this version and would love to 
continue. Unfortunately, some of the property inspectors (most notably 
the field inspector) aren't done yet.

However, once these are in place (a recent message from the team implied 
that they're all but done, and just need to be integrated into the 
release), I think this will be a very robust environmemt.

I won't be sorry to see the random crashes and freezes I've encountered 
under 1.1.1 go away. Looking forward to 2.0 with great expectations.

Regards,

Howard Bornstein
____________________
D E S I G N  E Q
www.designeq.com


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Feb 17 00:36:01 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon Feb 17 00:36:01 2003
Subject: Frozen card
In-Reply-To: <200302170503.h1H533b1004268@ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BA75B3E9.2664F%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

Howard Bornstein wrote:

> My current project just wigged out under Rev 1.1.1. Suddenly, one card
> (not one I'd been working on) causes a freeze whenever I try to go to it.
> It doesn't matter if it's via the normal button to get there or simply
> typing "Go to card 5" in the msg box. Instant freezo.

What happens if you type "lock messages; go cd 5" in the Message Box?

-- 
 Richard Gaskin 
 Fourth World Media Corporation
 Developer of WebMerge 2.2: Publish any database on any site
 ___________________________________________________________
 Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
 Tel: 323-225-3717                       AIM: FourthWorldInc



From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Mon Feb 17 01:32:01 2003
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon Feb 17 01:32:01 2003
Subject: Dealing with the dictionary
In-Reply-To: <BA7564E4.6CFD%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <F19C0FB6-4240-11D7-A2BD-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com>

Click on the tab for the format you want: Text, RTF, HTML. Click on the 
Export (format you want) button. You'll have to name the file/choose 
the folder you want.

What you end up with depends on the format: text or RTF, you get a file 
in that format that you can then open in a text editor, Word, etc., to 
print. HTML you get a set of HTML pages, one to an entry.

On Sunday, February 16, 2003, at 03:55 PM, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:

> I have it, but I don't understand how it works. When I open it in Rev, 
> it
> just gets the  docs like the Help menu would. If I open it by itself, 
> it
> does nothing.
>
> It looks like all its for is printing in various formats, which is not 
> what
> I want.
>
> What, exactly, should I do with it?
>

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com



From jeanne at runrev.com  Mon Feb 17 01:57:01 2003
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Mon Feb 17 01:57:01 2003
Subject: get function() of the target?
In-Reply-To: <40980863-4053-11D7-AEDF-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>
References: <v0313037aba71e611f62f@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <v03130300ba72f8b08b7c@[10.0.1.2]>

At 11:33 AM -0800 2/14/03, Alex Rice wrote:
>> See "How to call a custom
>> function that's not in the message path", too.
>>
>I can't find this in the docs. What section of the Dev Guide?

Values & Properties. (It might not be in the 1.1.1 docs yet, come to think
of it - it is in the current beta, though. I was looking at my working copy
when I looked it up.)

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From jeanne at runrev.com  Mon Feb 17 01:57:11 2003
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Mon Feb 17 01:57:11 2003
Subject: animation timeline
In-Reply-To: <F92K8onzvMMl6Dcu4nO00024b3b@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <v03130302ba75d394e034@[10.0.1.2]>

At 9:12 AM -0800 2/14/03, gareth Davies wrote:
>Hello, My name is Gareth and I am currently on my final year of my computer
>studies degree.
>For my project I need to investigate open source multimedia tools, I am
>currently looking at revolution, but I don't know how to use the animation
>timeline.

Try the animation tutorial: choose Revolution Documentation from the Help
menu, click Tutorials, then click Animation Manager.

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From gwills at ozemail.com.au  Mon Feb 17 06:38:01 2003
From: gwills at ozemail.com.au (Greg Wills)
Date: Mon Feb 17 06:38:01 2003
Subject: Button images script
In-Reply-To: <200302161704.MAA02966@www.runrev.com>
References: <200302161704.MAA02966@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05001900ba763ea71cd8@[210.84.176.228]>

Thanks Jim,

Your script will be of assistance in the laying out of the stack with 
many icon buttons. I have been playing round with having a very small 
dimensioned sub-stack with a picture on each card. I am only needing 
small pictures at this stage.

cheers

Greg



>Greg,
>
>One way to  set the button icons programmatically is to run  the
>"setUp" handler below. It presumes that each button which  is  to
>receive an image icon has been given the same name as the  image in
>the substack. It will run through all the cards in the main stack and
>if it finds a button whose name corresponds to an image in the
>substack, it will assign the image id to the button. (All images are
>located on the one card in the substack. It is relatively quick and
>painless.
>
>On setUp
>Lock screen
>    repeat with i =1 to the number of cards
>      set the defaultstack to "myStack"
>      go to card i
>      repeat with j = 1 to the number of buttons
>        put the short name of button j into tButtonName
>        set the defaultstack to "mySubstack"
>        if there is an image tButtonName then put the id of image
>tButtonName into tImageID
>        set the defaultstack to "images"
>        set the icon of button j to tImageID
>      end repeat
>    end repeat
>    unlock screen
>end setUp
>
>Jim Hurley
>


From bornstein at designeq.com  Mon Feb 17 09:12:00 2003
From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Mon Feb 17 09:12:00 2003
Subject: Frozen card
Message-ID: <200302171408.h1HE8ExF020644@ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com>

>What happens if you type "lock messages; go cd 5" in the Message Box?

Nice suggestion. Unfortunately, it still freezes. This falls into the 
category, in my mind, of "corrupt stack". I had not been working on the 
opencard scripts of the card or anything related. It just sort of stopped 
working. I've been developing under OS 9. I transferred the stack to 
Windows XP (under 1.1.1) and it also freeses as soon as I attempt to go 
to this card.

Given this "corruption" what I find fascinating, is that the 2.0 
development environment has no problem with this (so far). This leads me 
to believe the stack isn't classically corrupt (actually mangled data 
structures, etc.) but there's some combination of the stack and the IDE 
that causes it to freeze. Again, in my mind, this points to a more robust 
2.0 development environment.

Uh oh--I just tested it under 2.0 on Windows XP and it crashed. However, 
under 2.0 Mac OS 9, it still works fine. Very strange!

Regards,

Howard Bornstein
____________________
D E S I G N  E Q
www.designeq.com


From richmond at mail.maclaunch.com  Mon Feb 17 09:57:00 2003
From: richmond at mail.maclaunch.com (Mathewson)
Date: Mon Feb 17 09:57:00 2003
Subject: RAM-A-LAMB-A-DING-DONG; or Mac with Mint Sauce
Message-ID: <web-301891142@mail.maclaunch.com>

Hey-Ho: no way of restricting the amount of RAM a Mac
Classic build demands: tried the old resedit 'thing' - no
go.

My CD-ROM demands about 200 MB RAM on a Mac; and runs well
on 64 MB RAM under WIN98.

Any bright ideas gratefully received,

Richmond Mathewson
---------------------------------------------------------------
Great Macintosh Products 
 The MacLaunch Store! http://www.maclaunch.com/cgi-launch/store/agora.cgi
---------------------------------------------------------------


From kevin at runrev.com  Mon Feb 17 10:10:00 2003
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Mon Feb 17 10:10:00 2003
Subject: Frozen card
In-Reply-To: <200302171408.h1HE8ExF020644@ms-smtp-02.nyroc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BA76AAE9.11758%kevin@runrev.com>

On 17/2/03 2:08 pm, Howard Bornstein <bornstein at designeq.com> wrote:

> Given this "corruption" what I find fascinating, is that the 2.0
> development environment has no problem with this (so far). This leads me
> to believe the stack isn't classically corrupt (actually mangled data
> structures, etc.) but there's some combination of the stack and the IDE
> that causes it to freeze. Again, in my mind, this points to a more robust
> 2.0 development environment.
> 
> Uh oh--I just tested it under 2.0 on Windows XP and it crashed. However,
> under 2.0 Mac OS 9, it still works fine. Very strange!

We're working hard to make 2.0 a very stable and robust release.  However,
if something is wrong with your stack you might be wise to back it up and
copy stuff out of it anyway.  There could have been a problem unrelated to
Revolution, like a tiny error on your disk at some point, or something...

Kevin

Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
Tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165.  Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707.



From jhurley at infostations.com  Mon Feb 17 10:37:01 2003
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Mon Feb 17 10:37:01 2003
Subject: Button images script
In-Reply-To: <200302171413.JAA15640@www.runrev.com>
References: <200302171413.JAA15640@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05010400ba76ab45abf1@[66.81.47.140]>

>  Greg Wills wrote:
>
>
>Thanks Jim,
>
>Your script will be of assistance in the laying out of the stack with
>many icon buttons. I have been playing round with having a very small
>dimensioned sub-stack with a picture on each card. I am only needing
>small pictures at this stage.


Greg,

Here is a utility which I use to deal with buttons in the main stack 
whose image icons are in a substack. It relieves you of the need of 
setting  to set the icon id and sizing the images and/or the buttons 
all in one fell swoop.

1) Put all the images on card 1 of the substack (mySubstack below.) 
Don't worry about size or position, that will be taken care  of 
later. And resizing may distort the proportions. Doesn't matter if 
they overlap.
2) Next go through the main stack (myStack below) and create buttons 
with *the same name as the desired image in the substack* and in the 
desired location on each card. Also adjust the size of the button to 
the desired size of the eventual image. (Actually only the width 
matters. The height will be adjusted to avoid distorting the image 
proportions.)
3) Run setUp below from the main stack. All buttons will be assigned 
icon numbers of the image corresponding to the button name and the 
image in the substack is adjusted to fit within the button. And, as a 
bonus, you get an image border. If you don't want the border just: 
"set the showBorder of button tButtonName to "false." You can also 
set the color and width of the border. You may want to tinker with 
the edge number of ".98" below.
4)  You can add images and button later if necessary and rerun "setUP".
5)  Thanks to members of this list for help in developing this handler.



On setUpRev
   Lock screen
   repeat with i =1 to the number of cards
     set the defaultstack to "myStack
     go to card i
     repeat with j = 1 to the number of buttons
       put the short name of button j into tButtonName
       put the width of button j into theButtonWidth
       set the defaultstack to "mySubstack
       if there is an image tButtonName then
         put the id of image tButtonName into tImageID
         put the formattedWidth of image tButtonName into tImageWidth
         Put the formattedHeight of image tButtonName into tImageHeight
         put tImageHeight/tImageWidth into ratioOfHeightToWidth
         set the width of image tButtonName to theButtonWidth*.98 -- 
Leave an edge
         set the height of image tButtonName to 
theButtonWidth*ratioOfHeightToWidth*.98
       end if
       set the defaultstack to "myStack"
       set the icon of button j to tImageID
       set the height of button tButtonName to 
theButtonWidth*ratioOfHeightToWidth
     end repeat
   end repeat
   unlock screen
end setUpRev


Jim


From jhurley at infostations.com  Mon Feb 17 10:43:00 2003
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Mon Feb 17 10:43:00 2003
Subject: Button images script
Message-ID: <a05010403ba76b24250cf@[66.81.37.130]>

Greg,

P.S.

I was wrong to say you should avoid resizing the images in the 
subStack for fear of altering the proportions. It is only the 
formatted size that is needed and that is unaffected by resizing. So 
size them any way  that is convenient in the  substack.

Jim


From tedl at voyager.net  Mon Feb 17 11:42:01 2003
From: tedl at voyager.net (Ted)
Date: Mon Feb 17 11:42:01 2003
Subject: Frozen card
Message-ID: <03b101c2d6a3$60c17660$ccce59cf@egl>

Howard, since you are able to access the freezing card with pre-version 2.0 on
at least one platform, try this:

Create a new card--from the toolbar--and copy all scripts and objects from the
freezing card to the new card. See whether the new card works on both
platforms.

Ted


Howard Bornstein wrote in part:

>>
My current project just wigged out under Rev 1.1.1. Suddenly, one card
(not one I'd been working on) causes a freeze whenever I try to go to it.
It doesn't matter if it's via the normal button to get there or simply
typing "Go to card 5" in the msg box. Instant freezo.
<<
>>
Given this "corruption" what I find fascinating, is that the 2.0
development environment has no problem with this (so far).
<<
>>
Uh oh--I just tested it under 2.0 on Windows XP and it crashed. However,
under 2.0 Mac OS 9, it still works fine.
<<






From bornstein at designeq.com  Mon Feb 17 12:27:01 2003
From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Mon Feb 17 12:27:01 2003
Subject: Frozen card
Message-ID: <200302171722.h1HHMbb1017383@ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com>

>We're working hard to make 2.0 a very stable and robust release.  However,
>if something is wrong with your stack you might be wise to back it up and
>copy stuff out of it anyway.


>Howard, since you are able to access the freezing card with pre-version 
>2.0 on
>at least one platform, try this:
>
>Create a new card--from the toolbar--and copy all scripts and objects from 
>the
>freezing card to the new card. See whether the new card works on both
>platforms.

I opened the stack in Rev 2.0, where it works, did a save as to a new 
file name, and the new stack now works fine in Rev 1.1.1.

WAY TO GO REV 2.0!!!!!

Regards,

Howard Bornstein
____________________
D E S I G N  E Q
www.designeq.com


From pixelbird at interisland.net  Mon Feb 17 15:27:01 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Mon Feb 17 15:27:01 2003
Subject: Referenced icon images
In-Reply-To: <200302171701.MAA19998@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA7689AE.6D0D%pixelbird@interisland.net>

Hi list,

I've been following the image threads, but some of it evades me. Please bear
with a newbie on this stuff.

I have a button (there may be at up to 14 more of these) which does icon
hiliting using referenced images.  Pretty normal so far.

When I first brought in the referenced images from a folder, they show up in
the middle. When the button calls them as icons by their ID's (show icon:
selections), they show and hilite properly, but the images remain onthe
screen. I guess this means icons must be copies of the images, not the
images themselves.

I just hid the images to get them off the screen, and the button icons still
work OK, but that doesn't feel like the right thing to do.

My question is: What should I do with the referenced images? If I clear
them, are the button icons supposed to remain? What's actually happening?

TIA,
Ken N.






From pixelbird at interisland.net  Mon Feb 17 15:42:01 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Mon Feb 17 15:42:01 2003
Subject: Retaining/restoring text cursor
In-Reply-To: <200302171701.MAA19998@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA768D30.6D0E%pixelbird@interisland.net>

Back again,

In Rev as in HyperCard, clicking operations outside a field can cause the
blinking cursor to quit.

In my stack, I use the "type" command to simulate keyboard typing into a
field. 

In HC we can use various handler devices surrounding the selectedChunk
feature to restore the blinking cursor to its previous position, but it is
either complicated because you must deal with it in every handler that types
things into the field where we expect them to go, or put it in an idle
handler.

I know there ar a number of things in Rev that support better solutions than
idle handlers. I've searched the docs and don't see anything, but I'm
wondering if this problem has been dealt with as a feature of Rev.

IOW, is there a better way to handle cursor restoration in a field?

TIA,
Ken N.



From k_major at os.surf2000.de  Mon Feb 17 15:59:01 2003
From: k_major at os.surf2000.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Mon Feb 17 15:59:01 2003
Subject: Referenced icon images
In-Reply-To: <BA7689AE.6D0D%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <3B557614-42BA-11D7-BA82-000A27B49A96@os.surf2000.de>

Hi Ken,

> Hi list,
>
> I've been following the image threads, but some of it evades me.
> Please bear with a newbie on this stuff.
> I have a button (there may be at up to 14 more of these) which does 
> icon
> hiliting using referenced images.  Pretty normal so far.
>
> When I first brought in the referenced images from a folder, they show 
> up in
> the middle. When the button calls them as icons by their ID's (show 
> icon:
> selections), they show and hilite properly, but the images remain onthe
> screen. I guess this means icons must be copies of the images, not the
> images themselves.

Icons ARE the images! It is just that they are displayed inside of 
buttons
in addition to their original image-objects.

> I just hid the images to get them off the screen, and the button icons 
> still
> work OK, but that doesn't feel like the right thing to do.

Don't panic, no need for scruples ;-)

It is totally OK to hide these images or even move them off-screen.

No eternal damnation or stuff ;-)

> My question is: What should I do with the referenced images?

Just like you did...

> If I clear them, are the button icons supposed to remain?

No original image = no icon of that image in a button

> TIA,
> Ken N.

Hope that helps.


Regards

Klaus Major
k_major at os.surf2000.de


P.S.
Big fun!!!

The company i am currently working for got its bankrupt's certificate 
on friday :-(

So if you might need a good scripter to help you out or someone who can 
teach
this RR stuff drop a line.

But please remember, Richmond was first ;-)



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Feb 17 16:08:01 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon Feb 17 16:08:01 2003
Subject: Referenced icon images
In-Reply-To: <BA7689AE.6D0D%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <BA768E4F.266FD%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:

> What should I do with the referenced images?
> If I clear them, are the button icons supposed to remain?

Button icons use image IDs.  The contents of an image can be either imported
in advance or on-the-fly by reference.

If you delete the images, the icon IDs the buttons use will refer to objects
that no longer exist, and the buttons will not be able to display their
icons.

Hiding the images works well enough.  If you have a lot of these and want to
keep them tidy you may consider adding a substack and put all your image
resources there.  For most of my apps I import commonly-used images into a
window named <appName>rsrc (e.g., "WebMergeRSRC").

-- 
 Richard Gaskin 
 Fourth World Media Corporation
 Developer of WebMerge 2.2: Publish any database on any site
 ___________________________________________________________
 Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
 Tel: 323-225-3717                       AIM: FourthWorldInc



From carstenlist at itinfo.dk  Mon Feb 17 17:07:00 2003
From: carstenlist at itinfo.dk (Carsten Levin)
Date: Mon Feb 17 17:07:00 2003
Subject: page setup - A4
In-Reply-To: <200302171702.MAA20089@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <A4053084-42C3-11D7-A921-0003939122FA@itinfo.dk>

Revolution 1.1.1
OS: Mac OS X 10.2.4

Revolution assumes that the page format is "Letter". And going into the 
Page Setup menu and choosing A4 makes printing work as it should.
But after quit and restart of Revolution the format is set back to the 
default "Letter" and the bottom of the page isnt printed.
How do you make Revolution "remember" to print to A4 ... or how do you 
make your script set up the printer for A4.

The solution must work on Windows as well, and I therefore hope that 
there is a X-platform solution.

Best regards

Carsten



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Feb 17 17:43:01 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon Feb 17 17:43:01 2003
Subject: page setup - A4
In-Reply-To: <A4053084-42C3-11D7-A921-0003939122FA@itinfo.dk>
Message-ID: <BA76A47F.2670F%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

Carsten Levin wrote:

> Revolution assumes that the page format is "Letter". And going into the
> Page Setup menu and choosing A4 makes printing work as it should.
> But after quit and restart of Revolution the format is set back to the
> default "Letter" and the bottom of the page isnt printed.
> How do you make Revolution "remember" to print to A4 ... or how do you
> make your script set up the printer for A4.

Query the printPaperSize global property.

-- 
 Richard Gaskin 
 Fourth World Media Corporation
 Developer of WebMerge 2.2: Publish any database on any site
 ___________________________________________________________
 Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
 Tel: 323-225-3717                       AIM: FourthWorldInc



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Tue Feb 18 02:09:01 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Tue Feb 18 02:09:01 2003
Subject: Using referenced images for icons
In-Reply-To: <200302101701.MAA11122@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA772032.6D1E%pixelbird@interisland.net>

How can I use referenced images for both normal and hilited button icons.

Or maybe that's not the right approach.

Using the large DOWN full screen image grouped so I can "window through" the
UP image on mouseDown works but there are some problems:

1) If I drag out of the button and release, the "window" stays open and the
DOWN image (hScroll/vScroll) persists because the mouseUp handler is in the
button. This doesn't follow standard HIGs for button actions. I need it to
behave a bit more like a hilite, i.e., unhilite when released, except with
no button action, but I haven't succeeded. Unlike a real keyboard, however,
the typing action takes place on release like normal screen buttons
(otherwise it is severely prone to user tremors).

2) Some buttons (caps lock, option, command) need the image to stick until
clicked off, but it automatically reverts when I press (moueDown) another
button, because another portion of the DOWN image gets called and placed via
scroll commands, i.e. it's really all one image and we apparently can't
break it up in pieces (what I really want to do) by the current methods.

I'm beginning to think I'll have similar problems as HC, i.e., I'll have to
152 separate icons. That won't be much fun at all.

How about this: Can I create a handler that does snapshots of portions of
the big image via button rects, then change them into .jpg files? If I have
to make separate images for icons, at least that would automate the process.

TIA,
Ken N. 



From kspieldenner at lifetouch.com  Tue Feb 18 10:06:01 2003
From: kspieldenner at lifetouch.com (KEITH SPIELDENNER)
Date: Tue Feb 18 10:06:01 2003
Subject: Create Alias on Windows
Message-ID: <A13C32D6BC38D311BBD500902786999356853A@exchin1.MUNCIE>

I've successfully used the "create alias" command on the mac to point back
to an original executable file. However, using the same syntax in Windows
(XP) creates a "shortcut" that brings up a DOS command prompt along with an
error. Is there a way to get this command to actually create a shortcut to a
file in Windows?
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From klausimausi at mac.com  Tue Feb 18 10:26:01 2003
From: klausimausi at mac.com (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue Feb 18 10:26:01 2003
Subject: Create Alias on Windows
In-Reply-To: <A13C32D6BC38D311BBD500902786999356853A@exchin1.MUNCIE>
Message-ID: <9AF797CC-4354-11D7-B43F-003065D52E8E@mac.com>

Hi Keith,

> I've successfully used the "create alias" command on the mac to point 
> back to an original executable file. However, using the same syntax in 
> Windows (XP) creates a "shortcut" that brings up a DOS command prompt 
> along with an error. Is there a way to get this command to actually 
> create a shortcut to a file in Windows?

my first thought:

Did you create an alias with the correct suffix "*.lnk" (LNK for link)?
(We are talking about "smart" windows here... ;-)


Regards

Klaus Major
klausimausi at mac.com



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Tue Feb 18 12:21:01 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Tue Feb 18 12:21:01 2003
Subject: Installing images for use in standalones
In-Reply-To: <200302101701.MAA11122@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA77AB79.6D2E%pixelbird@interisland.net>

Hello list,

What's the best way to install new .jpg images in a standalone?

Note: If you have a script, great, but I'm just looking for ideas.

TIA,
Ken N.



From alrice at ARCplanning.com  Tue Feb 18 14:01:01 2003
From: alrice at ARCplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Tue Feb 18 14:01:01 2003
Subject: Why... is the selected text deselected?
Message-ID: <C8AF6B61-4372-11D7-BEE4-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>

In the docs troubleshooting item "Why... is the selected text 
deselected?", I was looking for an explanation of why a field's 
selection is deselected just by moving from one card to the next. How 
can I prevent this from happening? It makes my print screens routine 
more complicated because the user's selections are missing, unless I 
message each of my cards to do  my updateUI handler.

I've verified this with a stack containing only 2 cards and 2 list 
fields.

I tried setting autoHilite of the field to false, and putting this 
handler, but then I can't select text at all.

on mouseDown
     set the hilitedLines of me \
       to (word 2 of the clickLine)
end mouseDown

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From carstenlist at itinfo.dk  Tue Feb 18 14:15:04 2003
From: carstenlist at itinfo.dk (Carsten Levin)
Date: Tue Feb 18 14:15:04 2003
Subject: page setup - A4
In-Reply-To: <200302181706.MAA03795@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C6A9B337-4374-11D7-9D6A-0003939122FA@itinfo.dk>

> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 14:38:55 -0800
> Subject: Re: page setup - A4
> From: Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com>
> To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Reply-To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>
> Carsten Levin wrote:
>
>> Revolution assumes that the page format is "Letter". And going into 
>> the
>> Page Setup menu and choosing A4 makes printing work as it should.
>> But after quit and restart of Revolution the format is set back to the
>> default "Letter" and the bottom of the page isnt printed.
>> How do you make Revolution "remember" to print to A4 ... or how do you
>> make your script set up the printer for A4.
> And Richard Gaskin ambassador at fourthworld.com answered:
> Query the printPaperSize global property.
Thanks, but my problem is that when I use the "Page Setup" menu to 
choose A4 everything prints perfect and the settings are 595,841 ... 
untill I quit Revolution. Next time Revolution is restarted the 
settings are set back to 612,792.
Therefore I would very much like to know how we can script the 
PageSetup to stick to A4.

Best regards

Carsten Levin



From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Feb 18 14:20:01 2003
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue Feb 18 14:20:01 2003
Subject: POP3 or IMAP
In-Reply-To: <000001c2d5f0$86a19940$15596718@fusion>
Message-ID: <7583C0F0-4375-11D7-A003-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>

On Sunday, February 16, 2003, at 12:20 PM, Mike Doub wrote:

> Has anyone developed any code to get mail via POP3?   I seem to be 
> having
> problems reopening a socket.

Here are some comments that address this as a generic client-to-server 
TCP problem.

Often servers will allow multiple connections, but I would not be 
surprised if a server declined multiple connections from the same 
client computer or declined immediate reconnection or declined a 
connection based on a security trigger.  So, as Sarah said, make sure 
you close your connection.

Not closing a connection can cause confusion in callbacks; you might be 
responding to the wrong connection.

Handle callbacks (except maybe timeout, depending on your style).

It is easy to add a connectionID to the socketID, so you may want to do 
this even if you are not (intentionally) making multiple connections.  
You can use this as a double check in callbacks and as extra debug 
information.  (One way is to use a script local variable for all 
socketID references and to tag on a serial number when you set the 
variable.)  I'm referring to the entire "10.20.0.1:123|POP300001" as 
the socket ID and "POP300001" as the connection ID in that example; I 
hope I'm not misusing Revolution nomenclature.

In debug logs I report the result as well as the sysError.  Those 
familiar with your platform might help you with the sysError values.  I 
also log the long time or milliseconds since the open (attempt).  This 
time can give a clue.  For example, a nine-second delay in the open 
error callback on Windows normally means the connection was refused.  
Log the socket closed and socket error callbacks.

If you close a connection and immediately open a connection, there 
might be some confusion on OS X; use a connectionID to sort out 
callbacks.

There are some platform differences.  A minor one is the delay should 
the target computer not exist or be unreachable.  This is about 21 
seconds on my XP, but 75 seconds on my OS X.  One difference more 
likely to cause confusion is related to callbacks.

For example, for Revolution 2.0, this was reported for an Alpha version:
> OS X and XP still have different callback behavior for TCP in some 
> cases...
>                                 OS X              XP
> Open Refused                socketClosed       socketError
> Open Timeout                socketClosed       socketError
> Local Close                 socketClosed       none

I believe the situation is similar with Revolution 1.1.1.

I don't believe this will change soon; scriptors should adapt.

Note that socketClosed is called instead of socketError on OS X.  Also, 
note that you can get a callback on a socket after you close it.

If you _want_ to have multiple connections, let us know.

I realize this is a general shotgun response.  The point of error and 
the error information can help us be more specific in responding.

Dar Scott












From pixelbird at interisland.net  Tue Feb 18 14:33:00 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Tue Feb 18 14:33:00 2003
Subject: Using referenced images for icons
In-Reply-To: <200302181701.MAA03604@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA77CA6A.6D36%pixelbird@interisland.net>

**********
> Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 23:26:45 -0800
> Subject: Using referenced images for icons
> From: "Ken Norris (dialup)" <pixelbird at interisland.net>

> 1) If I drag out of the button and release, the "window" stays open and the
> DOWN image (hScroll/vScroll) persists because the mouseUp handler is in the
> button. This doesn't follow standard HIGs for button actions. I need it to
> behave a bit more like a hilite, i.e., unhilite when released, except with
> no button action, but I haven't succeeded. Unlike a real keyboard, however,
> the typing action takes place on release like normal screen buttons
> (otherwise it is severely prone to user tremors).
----------
I fixed this with a mouseLeave (duhh :-/). Works properly now.

Ken N.



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Feb 18 14:48:01 2003
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue Feb 18 14:48:01 2003
Subject: Using referenced images for icons
In-Reply-To: <BA77CA6A.6D36%pixelbird@interisland.net>
References: <BA77CA6A.6D36%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <3E528CFB.5060106@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/18/03 1:33 PM, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:

>>1) If I drag out of the button and release, the "window" stays open and the
>>DOWN image (hScroll/vScroll) persists because the mouseUp handler is in the
>>button.
> 
> ----------
> I fixed this with a mouseLeave (duhh :-/). Works properly now.

Better might be a "mouseRelease" handler. Mouseleave sometimes doesn't 
trigger if the mouse is moving quickly.


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Tue Feb 18 15:05:00 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Tue Feb 18 15:05:00 2003
Subject: Clueless loss
In-Reply-To: <200302101701.MAA11122@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA77D1CB.6D39%pixelbird@interisland.net>

I have a stack called RevExp1.rev.

It had some card graphics and an image that was grouped and a few buttons.

I have opened this stack from the Rev UI a dozen times (or more) with no
problem.

Suddenly today, I opened the stack and the graphic was gone, the image is
gone (so the group can't show it), and I cannot access the stack properties
dialog anymore (always grayed out/disabled in the menu).

The Application Overview shows the groups and the image files exist
(although they had been imported to the stack).

I have no clue what's going on. Can some one help?

Ken N.



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 18 15:12:00 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Tue Feb 18 15:12:00 2003
Subject: Clueless loss
In-Reply-To: <BA77D1CB.6D39%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <20030218200819.62889.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "Ken Norris (dialup)" <pixelbird at interisland.net>
wrote:
> I have a stack called RevExp1.rev.
> 
> It had some card graphics and an image that was
> grouped and a few buttons.
> 
> I have opened this stack from the Rev UI a dozen
> times (or more) with no
> problem.
> 
> Suddenly today, I opened the stack and the graphic
> was gone, the image is
> gone (so the group can't show it), and I cannot
> access the stack properties
> dialog anymore (always grayed out/disabled in the
> menu).
> 
> The Application Overview shows the groups and the
> image files exist
> (although they had been imported to the stack).
> 
> I have no clue what's going on. Can some one help?
> 
> Ken N.
> 

Hi Ken,

You could try renaming the stack and get rid of the
'rev' at the front : it's a prefix used internally by
RunRev to determine whether things are shown /
editable / ...

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

=====
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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 18 15:53:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Tue Feb 18 15:53:01 2003
Subject: Why... is the selected text deselected?
In-Reply-To: <C8AF6B61-4372-11D7-BEE4-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>
Message-ID: <20030218204914.97516.qmail@web11908.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Alex Rice <alrice at ARCplanning.com> wrote:
> In the docs troubleshooting item "Why... is the
> selected text 
> deselected?", I was looking for an explanation of
> why a field's 
> selection is deselected just by moving from one card
> to the next. How 
> can I prevent this from happening? It makes my print
> screens routine 
> more complicated because the user's selections are
> missing, unless I 
> message each of my cards to do  my updateUI handler.
> 
> I've verified this with a stack containing only 2
> cards and 2 list 
> fields.
> 
> I tried setting autoHilite of the field to false,
> and putting this 
> handler, but then I can't select text at all.
> 
> on mouseDown
>      set the hilitedLines of me \
>        to (word 2 of the clickLine)
> end mouseDown
> 
> Alex Rice

Hi Alex,

Why don't you try something like this in your field
script:

local sHilitedLines

on selectionChanged
  put the hilitedLines of me into sHilitedLines
  pass selectionChanged
end selectionChanged

on revertSelection
  set the hilitedLines of me to sHilitedLines
end revertSelection

This way you can send a "revertSelection" to the field
when you return from your other stack.

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

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From cm_sheffield at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 18 16:13:01 2003
From: cm_sheffield at yahoo.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Tue Feb 18 16:13:01 2003
Subject: mp3 files and the player object
Message-ID: <20030218205412.49514.qmail@web20418.mail.yahoo.com>

I want to use the player object to play several mp3
files in a row.  I am successful at changing the
FileName property and playing my files, but the trick
is that I need to wait until each sound is finished
playing before playing the next one.  Is there any way
to do this?  Such as a 'wait until player "myPlayer"
is done' type of command?  Please help.

Thanks,

Chris Sheffield
Read Naturally


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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 18 16:21:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Tue Feb 18 16:21:01 2003
Subject: mp3 files and the player object
In-Reply-To: <20030218205412.49514.qmail@web20418.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030218211655.6565.qmail@web11903.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Chris Sheffield <cm_sheffield at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I want to use the player object to play several mp3
> files in a row.  I am successful at changing the
> FileName property and playing my files, but the
> trick
> is that I need to wait until each sound is finished
> playing before playing the next one.  Is there any
> way
> to do this?  Such as a 'wait until player "myPlayer"
> is done' type of command?  Please help.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Chris Sheffield

Hi Chris,

Have a look at the entry for the 'playStopped' message
in the Transcript Dictionary.

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

PS: here's a very handy link to search the archives
http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:lists.runrev.com

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From heather at runrev.com  Tue Feb 18 16:24:01 2003
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Williams)
Date: Tue Feb 18 16:24:01 2003
Subject: Esellerate
Message-ID: <BA7853CB.CF9C%heather@runrev.com>

Hi all,

Just a quick note to say, I've been communicating with eSellerate on the
subject of making their program hook in smoothly with Revolution. What it
boils down to is they'll be interested in doing it if enough people ask for
it. So, if any of you are keen on using eSellerate as a payment processing
system for your shareware, be sure to let them know:

support at esellerate.net

Cheers

Heather
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From alrice at ARCplanning.com  Tue Feb 18 16:27:00 2003
From: alrice at ARCplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Tue Feb 18 16:27:00 2003
Subject: Why... is the selected text deselected?
In-Reply-To: <20030218204914.97516.qmail@web11908.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <326CA14A-4387-11D7-BEE4-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>

On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 01:49  PM, Jan Schenkel wrote:
>
> This way you can send a "revertSelection" to the field
> when you return from your other stack.

Thanks, I already have an updateUI message which I could use for this 
purpose. However, I am still unclear on WHY the hilite gets removed 
when the user goes to the next card. How can I prevent that from 
happening?


Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 18 16:32:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Tue Feb 18 16:32:01 2003
Subject: Why... is the selected text deselected?
In-Reply-To: <326CA14A-4387-11D7-BEE4-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>
Message-ID: <20030218212841.73929.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Alex Rice <alrice at ARCplanning.com> wrote:
> 
> On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 01:49  PM, Jan
> Schenkel wrote:
> >
> > This way you can send a "revertSelection" to the
> field
> > when you return from your other stack.
> 
> Thanks, I already have an updateUI message which I
> could use for this 
> purpose. However, I am still unclear on WHY the
> hilite gets removed 
> when the user goes to the next card. How can I
> prevent that from 
> happening?
> 

Hi Alex,

No guarantee that this will work, but what happens if
you set its 'sharedText' property to true ?

Jan Schenkel.

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From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Tue Feb 18 16:33:01 2003
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Tue Feb 18 16:33:01 2003
Subject: mp3 files and the player object
In-Reply-To: <20030218205412.49514.qmail@web20418.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <FLEGJBMJADGKMCHIMFOHKEKICOAA.monte@sweattechnologies.com>

Try:

on playStopped
  -- play the next one
end playStopped

Monte

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Chris
> Sheffield
> Sent: Wednesday, 19 February 2003 7:24 AM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: mp3 files and the player object
> 
> 
> I want to use the player object to play several mp3
> files in a row.  I am successful at changing the
> FileName property and playing my files, but the trick
> is that I need to wait until each sound is finished
> playing before playing the next one.  Is there any way
> to do this?  Such as a 'wait until player "myPlayer"
> is done' type of command?  Please help.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Chris Sheffield
> Read Naturally
> 
> 
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue Feb 18 16:36:00 2003
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue Feb 18 16:36:00 2003
Subject: Clueless loss
In-Reply-To: <BA77D1CB.6D39%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0302181331020.5321-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Ken,

If it's the same thing, I got bit in the butt as well.  Did you perchance
NOT import the picture via FILE --> IMPORT AS CONTROL --> IMAGE ?  It's
the ooooonly way to do it if you are like me and sometimes thoughtlessly
reorg your harddrive and the pathing no longer works.

HTH,

Judy

On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:

> I have a stack called RevExp1.rev.
>
> It had some card graphics and an image that was grouped and a few buttons.
>
> I have opened this stack from the Rev UI a dozen times (or more) with no
> problem.
>
> Suddenly today, I opened the stack and the graphic was gone, the image is
> gone (so the group can't show it), and I cannot access the stack properties
> dialog anymore (always grayed out/disabled in the menu).



From alrice at ARCplanning.com  Tue Feb 18 16:41:03 2003
From: alrice at ARCplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Tue Feb 18 16:41:03 2003
Subject: Esellerate
In-Reply-To: <BA7853CB.CF9C%heather@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <00EE17B9-4389-11D7-BEE4-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>

On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 02:19  PM, Heather Williams wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Just a quick note to say, I've been communicating with eSellerate on 
> the
> subject of making their program hook in smoothly with Revolution. What 
> it
> boils down to is they'll be interested in doing it if enough people 
> ask for
> it. So, if any of you are keen on using eSellerate as a payment 
> processing
> system for your shareware, be sure to let them know:
>
> support at esellerate.net

Done!

Just want to echo a recent thread- eSellerate is a *really great 
service* for software developers.

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 18 16:43:00 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Tue Feb 18 16:43:00 2003
Subject: Why... is the selected text deselected?
In-Reply-To: <20030218212841.73929.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030218213908.95694.qmail@web11906.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
> --- Alex Rice <alrice at ARCplanning.com> wrote:
> > 
> > On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 01:49  PM, Jan
> > Schenkel wrote:
> > >
> > > This way you can send a "revertSelection" to the
> > field
> > > when you return from your other stack.
> > 
> > Thanks, I already have an updateUI message which I
> > could use for this 
> > purpose. However, I am still unclear on WHY the
> > hilite gets removed 
> > when the user goes to the next card. How can I
> > prevent that from 
> > happening?
> > 
> 
> Hi Alex,
> 
> No guarantee that this will work, but what happens
> if
> you set its 'sharedText' property to true ?
> 

Never mind, I checked it myself, and it would only
help if the field was grouped with bg behaviour and
the group was on both cards.
Going to a card without that bg group and back, meant
losing the selection. Maybe someone else has a better
idea that actually works?

Jan Schenkel.

=====
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From alrice at ARCplanning.com  Tue Feb 18 17:03:01 2003
From: alrice at ARCplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Tue Feb 18 17:03:01 2003
Subject: Why... is the selected text deselected?
In-Reply-To: <20030218212841.73929.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3B140170-438C-11D7-BEE4-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>

On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 02:28  PM, Jan Schenkel wrote:
>
> Hi Alex,
>
> No guarantee that this will work, but what happens if
> you set its 'sharedText' property to true ?

It has no effect. It wasn't a grouped field, but I also tried grouping 
it and setting sharedText.

Thanks,

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From pixelbird at interisland.net  Tue Feb 18 17:46:01 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Tue Feb 18 17:46:01 2003
Subject: Using referenced images for icons
In-Reply-To: <200302182138.QAA12605@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA77F796.6D45%pixelbird@interisland.net>

**********
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 13:43:55 -0600
> From: "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> Subject: Re: Using referenced images for icons

> On 2/18/03 1:33 PM, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:

>> I fixed this with a mouseLeave (duhh :-/). Works properly now.
> 
> Better might be a "mouseRelease" handler. Mouseleave sometimes doesn't
> trigger if the mouse is moving quickly.
----------
Agreed. I still have to learn about little things like that. It's hard know
what to use if you don't yet know it exists.

Thanks,
Ken N.



From curry at kagi.com  Tue Feb 18 17:46:21 2003
From: curry at kagi.com (Curry)
Date: Tue Feb 18 17:46:21 2003
Subject: Esellerate
In-Reply-To: <200302182138.QAA12623@www.runrev.com>
References: <200302182138.QAA12623@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05111b01ba78639875bf@[68.86.45.226]>

>Just a quick note to say, I've been communicating with eSellerate on the
>subject of making their program hook in smoothly with Revolution. What it
>boils down to is they'll be interested in doing it if enough people ask for
>it. So, if any of you are keen on using eSellerate as a payment processing
>system for your shareware, be sure to let them know:

I'm very glad that RunRev is pursuing this and I just wrote to them 
about this. Thanks.

If any people here are interested in shareware processing but haven't 
tried eSellerate, you can sign up and test the features immediately 
with the trial account feature. There are no startup charges when you 
join, just like Kagi. (And of course it would great to have Kagi 
supported with RunRev too.) If you want to try it out, the web page 
is:

http://www.esellerate.net/

And if you think you may want to use eSellerate, please write to ask 
for RunRev support, because many of the advanced eSellerate features 
that offer extra power and convenience (like automatic reg codes that 
you don't have to design, in-app purchasing, software use tracking, 
affiliates) require tying in to the product using an SDK or module. 
(RealBasic has an eSellerate module.)

Curry


From pixelbird at interisland.net  Tue Feb 18 17:57:01 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Tue Feb 18 17:57:01 2003
Subject: Clueless loss
In-Reply-To: <200302182138.QAA12605@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA77FA41.6D46%pixelbird@interisland.net>

**********
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 13:32:33 -0800 (PST)
> From: Judy Perry <jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu>
> Subject: Re: Clueless loss
> 
> Ken,
> 
> If it's the same thing, I got bit in the butt as well.  Did you perchance
> NOT import the picture via FILE --> IMPORT AS CONTROL --> IMAGE ?  It's
> the ooooonly way to do it if you are like me and sometimes thoughtlessly
> reorg your harddrive and the pathing no longer works.
----------
Something to think about, but I AFAIK, I imported it, which places the image
in the stack. Besides, path errors wouldn't account for the graphic drawings
which were drawn on the card, which also went missing.

I'm going to see if renaming the stack helps. Jan says RR uses a "Rev"
prefix internally for drawing to the screen, and I had prefixed the stack
name with the same thing. I suppose it could have caused it to mistake what
it's supposed to show.

I'll post my results.

Ken N. 



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Tue Feb 18 18:26:01 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Tue Feb 18 18:26:01 2003
Subject: Why... is the selected text deselected?
In-Reply-To: <200302182138.QAA12605@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA780106.6D48%pixelbird@interisland.net>

> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:57:10 -0700
> Subject: Why... is the selected text deselected?
> From: Alex Rice <alrice at ARCplanning.com>
> 
> In the docs troubleshooting item "Why... is the selected text
> deselected?", I was looking for an explanation of why a field's
> selection is deselected just by moving from one card to the next. How
> can I prevent this from happening?
----------snip
I know in HC, how that works is with a <shared text> backgound field. The
selected text remains selected no matter what card you are on. Even if you
make new cards or delete cards, it's still selected. I don't know how to
implement that in RR, but perhaps it provides a clue.

Ken N.



From alrice at ARCplanning.com  Tue Feb 18 18:45:01 2003
From: alrice at ARCplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Tue Feb 18 18:45:01 2003
Subject: Arabic, CE and ME versions...
In-Reply-To: <BA430371.54A5%tkuypers@pandora.be>
Message-ID: <7A75A6B3-439A-11D7-BEE4-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>

On Thursday, January 9, 2003, at 02:46  AM, tkuypers at pandora.be wrote:

> ...
>   - How does RR interact with foreign Windows systems, like Arabic
>     (reading and typing from right to left) and has anyone tested
>     something like this in RR?
>   - Since RR doesn't support VB-commands (the reason for choosing
>     not doing this, would be very welcome...) we need a way to
>     send commands and data to a stack from FileMaker.
>     I guess the only way to do this is using the DDE-external? I
>     don't seem to get this working from FileMaker, any help is 
> welcome...
>     (Going from FMP to RR would be done through DDE, from RR to
>     FileMaker would be done through VB and the shell command.)
> ...

> Typing this, I really, really wonder why there is no support for Visual
> Basic and VBA, because the majority of programs have API's for this 
> language
> on the windows platform. I use Applescripting on the mac, but have to 
> twist
> myself into very strange curves to do simular things on Windows...
>
> Any help and/or advice is welcome :-)

How about more questions... :-) my employer uses Excel for most 
everything. So naturally I'm looking at ways to communicate between Rev 
and Excel.

Correct me if I'm wrong, it looks like there is no cross-platform 
solution. On Mac OS the preferred way would be to use the Applescript 
API for Excel, and on Windows the preferred way would be to use the DDE 
external?

Now, the Applescript API for Excel looks like it's more or less the 
same classes and events as the VBA interface... what about the DDE 
interface? Do DDE "commands" and "topics" have anything in common with 
the VBA and Applescript APIs?

BTW, one of RunRev's competitors wrote a VBA-like MS Office automation 
plugin and it was horrendously unstable- on Mac. So, in a way, I think 
it would be better to use the most-solid method on Mac and Windows, 
even if they are different methods of access.

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From gary.rathbone at btclick.com  Wed Feb 19 03:29:03 2003
From: gary.rathbone at btclick.com (Gary Rathbone)
Date: Wed Feb 19 03:29:03 2003
Subject: Communication with Excel (was RE: Arabic, CE and ME versions...)
In-Reply-To: <7A75A6B3-439A-11D7-BEE4-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>
Message-ID: <000901c2d7f0$4137e420$0e00000a@server>

> How about more questions... :-) my employer uses Excel for most 
> everything. So naturally I'm looking at ways to communicate 
> between Rev and Excel.

Depends to what level of communication. Take a look at 
http://www.garyrathbone.net/repgen/

I can email the stack off list if you're interested.

Regards

Gary Rathbone




From revolution at pertiet.de  Wed Feb 19 03:37:00 2003
From: revolution at pertiet.de (Henning Pertiet)
Date: Wed Feb 19 03:37:00 2003
Subject: how to contact a php-script
Message-ID: <1742178879.20030219093317@pertiet.de>

Hi,

how can I contact a php-script from within revolution?
(Just like it is possible from for example Director)

I need to contact a script and get back some information.

Regards

Henning Pertiet
mailto:revolution at pertiet.de



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Feb 19 04:30:01 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed Feb 19 04:30:01 2003
Subject: how to contact a php-script
In-Reply-To: <1742178879.20030219093317@pertiet.de>
Message-ID: <BA788DC4.268C9%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

Henning Pertiet wrote:

> how can I contact a php-script from within revolution?
> (Just like it is possible from for example Director)
> 
> I need to contact a script and get back some information.

Do you mean calling a cgi?:

 put url "http://www.google.com/search?q=Fourth+World" into tMyVar


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From revolution at pertiet.de  Wed Feb 19 04:41:01 2003
From: revolution at pertiet.de (Henning Pertiet)
Date: Wed Feb 19 04:41:01 2003
Subject: how to contact a php-script
In-Reply-To: <BA788DC4.268C9%ambassador@fourthworld.com>
References: <BA788DC4.268C9%ambassador@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <1056028870.20030219103727@pertiet.de>

am Mittwoch, 19. Februar 2003 um 10:26 schrieben Sie:

>> how can I contact a php-script from within revolution?
>> (Just like it is possible from for example Director)
>> 
>> I need to contact a script and get back some information.

> Do you mean calling a cgi?:

>  put url "http://www.google.com/search?q=Fourth+World" into tMyVar

I think that should be the same - I'll try that. Thank you!

Henning



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mailto:revolution at pertiet.de



From traduscava at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 19 04:56:01 2003
From: traduscava at hotmail.com (Traduscava -)
Date: Wed Feb 19 04:56:01 2003
Subject: full screen, switch cursor, player-object Ques
Message-ID: <F1709QtpfTYSl1q4gto000277c1@hotmail.com>


Hi,
I'm sorry if these questions have been anwered before, but I've searched the 
archives w/ Google and did not find what I'm looking for.

1. How can Rev run full screen in Windows and hide the taskbar, and the top 
of the window, w/ only a drop down menu at the top that would appear on 
MouseOver?

2. I know how to have the cursor switch on a MouseOver, but how can we use 
our own images for a cursor switch? I want to make my own hand cursor that 
points left and right and up, ala Myst & Riven.

3. I'm trying to figure out sounds in Rev, and from what I've read I am 
confused on the difference between  "player-objects" and just "play 
audioclips." Is a player-object created w/ the tool in the bottom right of 
the tool menu?

Thanks,
Scott Waddell


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From wmb at internettrainer.com  Wed Feb 19 05:58:01 2003
From: wmb at internettrainer.com (Wolfgang M. Bereuter)
Date: Wed Feb 19 05:58:01 2003
Subject: Esellerate
In-Reply-To: <a05111b01ba78639875bf@[68.86.45.226]>
Message-ID: <7752CF34-43F8-11D7-A8F2-003065430226@internettrainer.com>

On Dienstag, Februar 18, 2003, at 11:39  Uhr, Curry wrote:

> If any people here are interested in shareware processing but haven't 
> tried eSellerate, you can sign up and test the features immediately 
> with the trial account feature. There are no startup charges when you 
> join, just like Kagi. (And of course it would great to have Kagi 
> supported with RunRev too.) If you want to try it out, the web page > is:
I would like tho see shareit to. Because they support a lot of 
currencies and languages. What I have not seen from any other shareware 
distributor. What they have to do for "suporting rev"?
Maybe I m ignorant, but I would like to put my password stack 
"anywhere" (on their or my server so that the client gets the password 
imediatly when he purchases and I a get the message about the order.
Has anybody here such a stack?
Or knows where I can find one...?

Or do I need another solution for that. How sure can I bee, that I 
there are not builded any password without a message to me when its on 
their (any shareware distributor) server..?
Thanks in advance for infos...

regards
Wolfgang M. Bereuter

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From wmb at internettrainer.com  Wed Feb 19 06:08:00 2003
From: wmb at internettrainer.com (Wolfgang M. Bereuter)
Date: Wed Feb 19 06:08:00 2003
Subject: Clueless loss
In-Reply-To: <BA77FA41.6D46%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <E43B2FEF-43F9-11D7-A8F2-003065430226@internettrainer.com>

On Dienstag, Februar 18, 2003, at 11:57  Uhr, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:

> Something to think about, but I AFAIK, I imported it, which places the 
> image
> in the stack. Besides, path errors wouldn't account for the graphic 
> drawings
> which were drawn on the card, which also went missing.
>
> I'm going to see if renaming the stack helps. Jan says RR uses a "Rev"
> prefix internally for drawing to the screen, and I had prefixed the 
> stack
> name with the same thing. I suppose it could have caused it to mistake 
> what
> it's supposed to show.

Sometimes you dont think at the most closest thing.. (Dont know if you 
say it like that in english...)
I work a lot with importing images as controls. The simplest way to 
"loose" them is: When you have a lot of (bigger) images on a card and 
forget after importing to sort them (the layers) in the "correct" 
order...
So one image can be hidden behind another one or a group very easyly...

hope that helps

regards
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From k_major at os.surf2000.de  Wed Feb 19 07:10:01 2003
From: k_major at os.surf2000.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed Feb 19 07:10:01 2003
Subject: mp3 files and the player object
In-Reply-To: <20030218205412.49514.qmail@web20418.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A3A4AEF2-4402-11D7-9D61-000A27B49A96@os.surf2000.de>

Hi Chris,

> I want to use the player object to play several mp3
> files in a row.  I am successful at changing the
> FileName property and playing my files, but the trick
> is that I need to wait until each sound is finished
> playing before playing the next one.  Is there any way
> to do this?  Such as a 'wait until player "myPlayer"
> is done' type of command?  Please help.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris Sheffield
> Read Naturally

here is another smart ;-) approach to your problem.

I will use the "send xxx in yyy" command.

My example requires a field "mp3list", where the filenames
of the mp3 files are stored. Could of course be a variable or
custom-property, too.

###############

global songmessage
## the name does not matter, call it walter if you like :-)

## here we will store the id of the message that we will send
## when the current mp3 is finished. So we can cancel that
## message from being delivered when we close this card of stack.
## See "pendingmessages" in the docs...

on mouseup
## can of course be "on opencard" or whenever you want to start the 
songs...
   set the filename of player "xyz" to line 1 of fld "mp3list"
   start player "xyz"
   send "nextsong" to me in (the duration of player "xyz"/the timescale 
of player "xyz") secs
   ## This means that this message will be send exactly when the current 
song has finished...

   ## Every sound- or video-file can (and will ;-) have a duration. 
Surprise, surprise... ;-)
   ## Unfortunately this duration is measured in the files own 
timescale...
   ## Means how much timeunits per second that file will be measured in..
   ## But both properties can be queried :-)

   put the result into songmessage
   ## Each command that will be "send..." will be managed by the engine
   ## in the "pendingmessages" and gets its own id.
   ## Now we store this id in this global var "sonmessage", so we can 
cancel
   ## it when leaving this card or closing this stack
   ## You can take another name for that var, of course...
end mouseup

on nextsong
   put lineoffset(the filename of player "xyz", fld "mp3list") into 
whatline
   ##what is the current song...

   if whatline < the num of lines of fld "mp3list" then
       ## only if it is not the last song in this list...

       set the filename of player "xyz" to empty
       set the filename of player "xyz" to line (whatline + 1) of fld 
"mp3list"
       start player "xyz"
       ## next one...

      send "nextsong" to me in (the duration of player "xyz"/the 
timescale of player "xyz") secs
      put the result into songmessage
   end if
end nextsong

################# Does even fit in the StarterKit limit :-)

Then you could write this in the cardscript:

on closecard
   global songmessage
   if "songmessage" is in the pendingmessages then
   ## Maybe much time has already passed and all songs have been 
played...
   ## Omit this "if...then..." caluse if you LOVE error-dialogs ;-)
       cancel songmessage
   end if
...
end closecard


Hope this helps.


Regards

Klaus Major
k_major at os.surf2000.de



From k_major at os.surf2000.de  Wed Feb 19 07:11:01 2003
From: k_major at os.surf2000.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed Feb 19 07:11:01 2003
Subject: full screen, switch cursor, player-object Ques
In-Reply-To: <F1709QtpfTYSl1q4gto000277c1@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <D744663E-4402-11D7-9D61-000A27B49A96@os.surf2000.de>

Hi Scott,

> Hi,
> I'm sorry if these questions have been anwered before, but I've 
> searched the archives w/ Google and did not find what I'm looking for.
> 1. How can Rev run full screen in Windows and hide the taskbar, and 
> the top of the window, w/ only a drop down menu at the top that would 
> appear on MouseOver?

You can add these lines to your stackscript:

on preopenstack
   set the backdrop to 0,0,0 ## or any other RGB value
   ## will hide the background/desktop with any color
   ## and also hide the taskbar...

   ## to make it work on a MAC, too, you will have to add:
   ## hide menubar

   set the rect of this stack to the screenrect
   ## will make your stack as big as the screen
   ...
end preopenstack

> 2. I know how to have the cursor switch on a MouseOver, but how can we 
> use our own images for a cursor switch? I want to make my own hand 
> cursor that points left and right and up, ala Myst & Riven.

There are some limitation for custom images used as cursors.

The mac platforms only supports cursors of size 16*16 pixel.
Windows and Linux 32*32 on windows.
These images must only contain 3 colors, black, white
and one that will be transparent.
(See: cursor in the documentation...)

!!!
Hint: Create a black and white and transparent GIF in your favourite
image-editing app, import this image into your stack (NO referenced 
image)
then choose any tool of the paint-tools, do only ONE click on your image
and undo this action immadiately.

So nothing has happened actually...

This way the image will be forced to be converted to the internal 
image-format
of RR and so will work fine as a cursor :-)
!!!

To set the cursor, jsut set the cursor to the id of your custom image

...
set cursor to 1033 ## your id here, of course...
...

> 3. I'm trying to figure out sounds in Rev, and from what I've read I 
> am confused on the difference between  "player-objects" and just "play 
> audioclips."

A player offers more possibilities to control a sound than a shere 
"play ac xxx"
and you can support more soundformats with a player.

Once you set the filename of a player you can play that sound just by:

...
start player xyz
...

I don't know if this limitation still applies, but "play ac xyz" will 
only let
you play ONE sound at the same time, with players you can start as much
players as your CPU will be able to proccess...

That means when you fire the command "play ac zyx" while another sound 
is
playing, that sound will immediately stop.

Do some testing, maybe that limitation does not exist anymore.

> Is a player-object created w/ the tool in the bottom right of the tool 
> menu?

Yes.

> Thanks,
> Scott Waddell

Hope that helps.


Regards

Klaus Major
k_major at os.surf2000.de



From dleyanna at rtl.org  Wed Feb 19 09:16:01 2003
From: dleyanna at rtl.org (Dave LeYanna)
Date: Wed Feb 19 09:16:01 2003
Subject: Esellerate
References: <BA7853CB.CF9C%heather@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3E5390D4.6020309@rtl.org>

Thanks for this post. A large piece of the puzzle that I won't have to 
worry about (when the time comes)

Dave

Heather Williams wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Just a quick note to say, I've been communicating with eSellerate on the
> subject of making their program hook in smoothly with Revolution. What it
> boils down to is they'll be interested in doing it if enough people ask for
> it. So, if any of you are keen on using eSellerate as a payment processing
> system for your shareware, be sure to let them know:
> 
> support at esellerate.net
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Heather




From cm_sheffield at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 19 10:27:01 2003
From: cm_sheffield at yahoo.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Wed Feb 19 10:27:01 2003
Subject: mp3 files and the player object
In-Reply-To: <A3A4AEF2-4402-11D7-9D61-000A27B49A96@os.surf2000.de>
Message-ID: <20030219152322.84363.qmail@web20418.mail.yahoo.com>

Thank you all very much for the suggestions.  I
couldn't get the playStopped message solution to work
quite right.  It still kept cutting off the previous
sound and playing the next one.  Anyway, I followed a
slightly similar solution to what Klaus suggested.  My
problem is that I have to control the player from the
handler of a Start button, which the user will click
to begin.  What happens is there is text on the screen
that highlights a different color as each sentence is
read out loud (thus the mp3 files).  Here is what I
did:

-------
on mouseUp
  global myArray
  global sentenceCount

  wait 1 sec

  repeat with x = 1 to sentenceCount
    if x > 1 then
      ## set the previous line back to black
      set the foregroundColor of char myArray[x-1,1]
to myArray[x-1,2] of field "myField" to black
    end if

    ## set the current sentence to blue
    set the foregroundColor of char myArray[x,1] to
myArray[x,2] of field "myField" to blue

    ## set the current sound file and play it
    set the fileName of player "myPlayer" to
"./sounds/sound" & x & ".mp3"
    start player "myPlayer"
    wait (the duration of player "myPlayer" / the
timeScale of player "myPlayer") seconds

    wait 1 sec
    
  end repeat

  ## set the last sentence back to black
  set the foreGround of char myArray[x,1] to
myArray[x,2] of field "myField" to black

end mouseUp
-----------

The global variables myArray and sentenceCount are
both set in the mouseUp message of another button,
simply because I'm using the Free Edition right now
and am limited on the scripts.  Basically myArray
contains the start and end chars of each sentence, and
sentenceCount contains the number of sentences in the
text field.

This all works just fine, but I was wondering if I'm
going to notice any performance issues when dealing
with fairly large bodies of text and quite a few sound
files.

Thanks for any feedback.

Chris Sheffield
Read Naturally

--- Klaus Major <k_major at os.surf2000.de> wrote:
> Hi Chris,
> 
> > I want to use the player object to play several
> mp3
> > files in a row.  I am successful at changing the
> > FileName property and playing my files, but the
> trick
> > is that I need to wait until each sound is
> finished
> > playing before playing the next one.  Is there any
> way
> > to do this?  Such as a 'wait until player
> "myPlayer"
> > is done' type of command?  Please help.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Chris Sheffield
> > Read Naturally
> 
> here is another smart ;-) approach to your problem.
> 
> I will use the "send xxx in yyy" command.
> 
> My example requires a field "mp3list", where the
> filenames
> of the mp3 files are stored. Could of course be a
> variable or
> custom-property, too.
> 
> ###############
> 
> global songmessage
> ## the name does not matter, call it walter if you
> like :-)
> 
> ## here we will store the id of the message that we
> will send
> ## when the current mp3 is finished. So we can
> cancel that
> ## message from being delivered when we close this
> card of stack.
> ## See "pendingmessages" in the docs...
> 
> on mouseup
> ## can of course be "on opencard" or whenever you
> want to start the 
> songs...
>    set the filename of player "xyz" to line 1 of fld
> "mp3list"
>    start player "xyz"
>    send "nextsong" to me in (the duration of player
> "xyz"/the timescale 
> of player "xyz") secs
>    ## This means that this message will be send
> exactly when the current 
> song has finished...
> 
>    ## Every sound- or video-file can (and will ;-)
> have a duration. 
> Surprise, surprise... ;-)
>    ## Unfortunately this duration is measured in the
> files own 
> timescale...
>    ## Means how much timeunits per second that file
> will be measured in..
>    ## But both properties can be queried :-)
> 
>    put the result into songmessage
>    ## Each command that will be "send..." will be
> managed by the engine
>    ## in the "pendingmessages" and gets its own id.
>    ## Now we store this id in this global var
> "sonmessage", so we can 
> cancel
>    ## it when leaving this card or closing this
> stack
>    ## You can take another name for that var, of
> course...
> end mouseup
> 
> on nextsong
>    put lineoffset(the filename of player "xyz", fld
> "mp3list") into 
> whatline
>    ##what is the current song...
> 
>    if whatline < the num of lines of fld "mp3list"
> then
>        ## only if it is not the last song in this
> list...
> 
>        set the filename of player "xyz" to empty
>        set the filename of player "xyz" to line
> (whatline + 1) of fld 
> "mp3list"
>        start player "xyz"
>        ## next one...
> 
>       send "nextsong" to me in (the duration of
> player "xyz"/the 
> timescale of player "xyz") secs
>       put the result into songmessage
>    end if
> end nextsong
> 
> ################# Does even fit in the StarterKit
> limit :-)
> 
> Then you could write this in the cardscript:
> 
> on closecard
>    global songmessage
>    if "songmessage" is in the pendingmessages then
>    ## Maybe much time has already passed and all
> songs have been 
> played...
>    ## Omit this "if...then..." caluse if you LOVE
> error-dialogs ;-)
>        cancel songmessage
>    end if
> ...
> end closecard
> 
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Klaus Major
> k_major at os.surf2000.de
> 
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From John at esellerate.net  Wed Feb 19 12:22:01 2003
From: John at esellerate.net (John Petelle)
Date: Wed Feb 19 12:22:01 2003
Subject: Quick introduction - eSellerate
Message-ID: <8C637AC00CFCCA4B92BAB215265AFC9408DC2D@mir.mindvision.com>

Hello Runtime Revolution Developers!

Just a quick note of introduction - my name is John Petelle, and I am
part of the team at a software commerce company called eSellerate
(http://www.esellerate.net). I am posting on this list as a follow-up to
Heather's comments regarding the possibility of expanded capabilities
between eSellerate and Runtime Revolution.

First off - a 'thank you' to the developers who have already contacted
eSellerate regarding their interest in using eSellerate, especially if
an interface for Runtime Revolution becomes available. As Heather
indicated, this feedback is extremely valuable and helps both eSellerate
and Runtime Revolution be able to make appropriate business decisions
and to gauge the interest level of the development community. For those
developers who have an interest, but who have not yet sent an email, I
would encourage you to do so :) 

You can send those emails either to support at esellerate.net, or to me
personally at john at esellerate.net.

Part of my role is to gain a better understanding of the Runtime
Revolution developer community - not only learning about the diverse
types of developers and companies represented, but also to learn about
what you would like to see available for software commerce options, and
what your key areas and needs are. I will certainly be continuing to
watch this list, but for sending me information directly, I imagine
off-line would be best.

The flow of information can certainly go both ways :) I would be happy
to hear from and respond to anyone who is interested in learning more
about eSellerate's services - whether our Web Store (available for all
developers and already being used by some Runtime Revolution
developers), or the in-application purchase capabilities being discussed
with Heather and the team at Runtime Revolution.

Thank you for your time, and I look forward to meeting and working with
the community!

Best regards,

John

_________________________________________________
John Petelle - Account Executive
eSellerate - the new way to sell software
john at esellerate.net . <http://www.esellerate.net/>
5901 N.58th St. Lincoln, NE.68507-3249.USA
402-323-6600 x118.fax 402-323-6611
_________________________________________________


From alrice at ARCplanning.com  Wed Feb 19 12:28:01 2003
From: alrice at ARCplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Wed Feb 19 12:28:01 2003
Subject: Esellerate
In-Reply-To: <7752CF34-43F8-11D7-A8F2-003065430226@internettrainer.com>
Message-ID: <F732425A-442E-11D7-B374-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>

On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 03:54  AM, Wolfgang M. Bereuter 
wrote:
> I would like tho see shareit to. Because they support a lot of 
> currencies and languages. What I have not seen from any other 
> shareware distributor. What they have to do for "suporting rev"?

Someone needs to write Rev code, or a Rev external, to connect with the 
eSellerate licensing server via SSL.

> Maybe I m ignorant, but I would like to put my password stack 
> "anywhere" (on their or my server so that the client gets the password 
> imediatly when he purchases and I a get the message about the order.
> Has anybody here such a stack?
> Or knows where I can find one...?
>
> Or do I need another solution for that. How sure can I bee, that I 
> there are not builded any password without a message to me when its on 
> their (any shareware distributor) server..?
> Thanks in advance for infos...

If I understand your question, but eSellerate has many different 
licensing schemes you can use. From generating your own license keys 
ahead of time in a list, or using auto-generated passwords of various 
types. Just looking at the Serial Number management screen for 
eSellerate, they list the types "Standard, Armadillo, Custom, Custom 
with application supplied data, Prompted, Pre-generated, and 
Application Generated". So however you want to do your licensing, they 
can probably accommodate it.


Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From pixelbird at interisland.net  Wed Feb 19 12:35:01 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Wed Feb 19 12:35:01 2003
Subject: Why... is the selected text deselected?
In-Reply-To: <200302191212.HAA24015@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA790057.6D6C%pixelbird@interisland.net>

**********
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 14:59:19 -0700
> Subject: Re: Why... is the selected text deselected?
> From: Alex Rice <alrice at ARCplanning.com>
> 
> On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 02:28  PM, Jan Schenkel wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Alex,
>> 
>> No guarantee that this will work, but what happens if
>> you set its 'sharedText' property to true ?
> 
> It has no effect. It wasn't a grouped field, but I also tried grouping
> it and setting sharedText.
----------
Is there a reason you can't have the backgroundBehavior true?. It should
work under those conditions, or else it wouldn't be compatible with HC.

A totally different approach: Put the field into a palette or other floating
window. Selections seem to stick from card to card until you select
something else.

Ken N.



From heather at runrev.com  Wed Feb 19 12:49:01 2003
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Williams)
Date: Wed Feb 19 12:49:01 2003
Subject: T-Shirt competiton and Tagline
Message-ID: <BA7972E7.D08F%heather@runrev.com>

Greetings! Ladies and gentlemen, as you will see from my signature, we have
a new tagline at last. If you are entering the t-shirt competition, you
might like to incorporate this in your design. Anyone who has already
entered is welcome to modify their entry to take account of this.

Looking forward to seeing you all wearing it :-)

Heather
-- 
Heather Williams <heather at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Ltd.
Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707
Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Wed Feb 19 13:19:01 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Wed Feb 19 13:19:01 2003
Subject: Rough day on the Revolution front
In-Reply-To: <200302191212.HAA24015@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA790A67.6D6D%pixelbird@interisland.net>

Hello list,

I had a terrible day with Rev yesterday:

1) When I put away a dialog, the Tool Palette would disappear with it, most
of the time, but not _every_ time (inconsistent).

2) I lost 3 images and 1 button.

3) 5 other buttons got displaced halfway across the screen in the same row
just by selecting them with the arrow cursor.

4) Many dialogs would display at first with twisted images, then straighten
themselves out. Often the dialogs would not follow the selected button,
i.e., show a dialog for another button, even though the button was clearly
selected.

5) The Application Overview palette would not go away, i.e., I clicked the
corner button to put it away, and it would disappear for a second, then come
right back, 4 or 5 times in succession before it finally stayed gone.
However, when I quit Rev, and other windows went away, it was still there
behind everything else, the last one to finally disappear. On reopening Rev
later, it showed up again, the first window to show up IIRC.

6) Pulldown menus (menubar position) wouldn't stick the first click, only on
the second click. Sometimes when scrolling down the list, something would
select itself when I stopped _without_ clicking the mouse.

7) The Rev application quit 4 times with a type 2 error.

I think I can attribute some of these things to a dirty or worn mouse, but
others, like the quitting thing, can't be attributed to that.

Rev always takes about 4 minutes to completely shut down and even then,
other apps have to spend quite bit of time fighting their way in to get
enough memory to function.

Has anyone else encountered these kinds of problems? Is my Rev app
corrupted?

Any advice welcomed, on or off list.

Ken N.

 




From valetia at mac.com  Wed Feb 19 13:27:01 2003
From: valetia at mac.com (valetia at mac.com)
Date: Wed Feb 19 13:27:01 2003
Subject: clickChunk returns hilitedLine instead
In-Reply-To: <BA7972E7.D08F%heather@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA7A08A2.1F9FF%valetia@mac.com>

Hi all,

When the listBehavior of a field is set to true, it seems the clickChunk
returns the hilitedLine instead...(could this be a bug?)

How do you get the "actual" clickChunk then?

Valetia



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Wed Feb 19 13:35:01 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Wed Feb 19 13:35:01 2003
Subject: Clueless loss
In-Reply-To: <200302191212.HAA24015@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA790E2A.6D6E%pixelbird@interisland.net>

**********
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:04:18 +0100
> Subject: Re: Clueless loss
> From: "Wolfgang M. Bereuter" <wmb at internettrainer.com>

> Sometimes you dont think at the most closest thing.. (Dont know if you
> say it like that in english...)
> I work a lot with importing images as controls. The simplest way to
> "loose" them is: When you have a lot of (bigger) images on a card and
> forget after importing to sort them (the layers) in the "correct"
> order...
> So one image can be hidden behind another one or a group very easyly...
----------
Thanks Wolfgang,

I'm not sure that's the problem here. There were just 2 images in the stack.
I was just looking at the button scripts the last time I put it away, and
didn't change anything IIRC. The next time I opened the stack they were
gone, and I couldn't show or find them. I think they disappeared from the
Application Overview list, too.

I seem to be having problems with things slippng away into the land of Nod.

However, can you brief me on how to sort images? I'm not sure what you mean,
i.e., moving images around to see which ones are under others, then moving
them forward or backward?

Ken N. 



From themacguy at macosx.com  Wed Feb 19 15:12:01 2003
From: themacguy at macosx.com (Barry Levine)
Date: Wed Feb 19 15:12:01 2003
Subject: Indirection question
Message-ID: <C95C398B-4445-11D7-89D2-000393AAEF66@macosx.com>

I have a variable named "theM" in which I am storing any number of 
comma-delimited items. If I use the message box for something like 
"answer theM", I get a dialog with the list of the items in the var. So 
far, so good.

I have other vars with similar names (theW, theH, etc.) that contain 
other comma-delimited lists. I also have another variable 
(currentLetter) whose content changes (in this case: from "M" to "W" to 
"H" and back again in no consistent order). I have to check the content 
of currentLetter before knowing which of these lists I must manipulate. 
What I'd like to do is something like:

on mouseUp
	if currentLetter = "W" then put "theW" into theList
	(etc)
	answer theList
end mouseUp

Now, if I do this, the answer dialog shows "theW" instead of the 
contents of the var named theW. Obviously, I'm not referring to the 
variable in the appropriate manner.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Barry



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 19 15:19:00 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Wed Feb 19 15:19:00 2003
Subject: Indirection question
In-Reply-To: <C95C398B-4445-11D7-89D2-000393AAEF66@macosx.com>
Message-ID: <20030219201531.71854.qmail@web11903.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Barry Levine <themacguy at macosx.com> wrote:
> I have a variable named "theM" in which I am storing
> any number of 
> comma-delimited items. If I use the message box for
> something like 
> "answer theM", I get a dialog with the list of the
> items in the var. So 
> far, so good.
> 
> I have other vars with similar names (theW, theH,
> etc.) that contain 
> other comma-delimited lists. I also have another
> variable 
> (currentLetter) whose content changes (in this case:
> from "M" to "W" to 
> "H" and back again in no consistent order). I have
> to check the content 
> of currentLetter before knowing which of these lists
> I must manipulate. 
> What I'd like to do is something like:
> 
> on mouseUp
> 	if currentLetter = "W" then put "theW" into theList
> 	(etc)
> 	answer theList
> end mouseUp
> 
> Now, if I do this, the answer dialog shows "theW"
> instead of the 
> contents of the var named theW. Obviously, I'm not
> referring to the 
> variable in the appropriate manner.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> Thanks,
> Barry
> 

Hi Barry,

I'd say the 'do' command is your friend :-)

on mouseUp
  do ("put the" & currentLetter && "into theList")
  answer theList
end mouseUp

Don't forget to declare theX as globals, or their data
won't be retrievable.

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Feb 19 15:21:01 2003
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed Feb 19 15:21:01 2003
Subject: Indirection question
In-Reply-To: <C95C398B-4445-11D7-89D2-000393AAEF66@macosx.com>
Message-ID: <BA79265B.6303%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, "Barry Levine"  wrote:

> What I'd like to do is something like:
> 
> on mouseUp
> if currentLetter = "W" then put "theW" into theList
> (etc)
> answer theList
> end mouseUp
> 
> Now, if I do this, the answer dialog shows "theW" instead of the
> contents of the var named theW. Obviously, I'm not referring to the
> variable in the appropriate manner.
> 
> Any ideas?


If theW is a global variable, use it without the quotes:

on mouseUp
 if currentLetter = "W" then put theW into theList
 (etc)
 answer theList
end mouseUp


Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Wed Feb 19 15:29:01 2003
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Wed Feb 19 15:29:01 2003
Subject: Indirection question
In-Reply-To: <C95C398B-4445-11D7-89D2-000393AAEF66@macosx.com>
References: <C95C398B-4445-11D7-89D2-000393AAEF66@macosx.com>
Message-ID: <p05210200ba79985d1b20@[10.0.1.3]>

>I have a variable named "theM" in which I am storing any number of 
>comma-delimited items. If I use the message box for something like 
>"answer theM", I get a dialog with the list of the items in the var. 
>So far, so good.
>
>I have other vars with similar names (theW, theH, etc.) that contain 
>other comma-delimited lists. I also have another variable 
>(currentLetter) whose content changes (in this case: from "M" to "W" 
>to "H" and back again in no consistent order). I have to check the 
>content of currentLetter before knowing which of these lists I must 
>manipulate. What I'd like to do is something like:
>
>on mouseUp
>	if currentLetter = "W" then put "theW" into theList
>	(etc)
>	answer theList
>end mouseUp
>
>Now, if I do this, the answer dialog shows "theW" instead of the 
>contents of the var named theW. Obviously, I'm not referring to the 
>variable in the appropriate manner.
>
>Any ideas?
>


Don't use quotes !!
it's a variable and not a litteral
put theW and not put "theW"

Hope this helps
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From jiml at netrin.com  Wed Feb 19 15:29:12 2003
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Wed Feb 19 15:29:12 2003
Subject: mp3 files and the player object
In-Reply-To: <200302191702.MAA27937@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBICMMKLOIPMPOLALAKECCEJAA.jiml@netrin.com>

<    wait (the duration of player "myPlayer" / the
timeScale of player "myPlayer") seconds>

This works and that's most important, but...
Everything, including user interaction, suspends while the sound is playing,
thus preventing the user from stopping the sound in midplay. If these sounds
are brief you can probably 'get away' with that, but it's friendlier to
leave control to the user. Klaus' SEND example allows for interruption
during and between sound plays.

I wonder why playstopped isn't 100% reliable.

Jim Lambert





From cm_sheffield at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 19 15:42:00 2003
From: cm_sheffield at yahoo.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Wed Feb 19 15:42:00 2003
Subject: mp3 files and the player object
In-Reply-To: <NEBBICMMKLOIPMPOLALAKECCEJAA.jiml@netrin.com>
Message-ID: <20030219203756.93585.qmail@web20421.mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks for the info.  The user does have to be able to
stop playback.  So I definitely need to consider that.
 If the user does stop playback, everything will
basically reset itself and start from the beginning
with the first sound file and first sentence.  I will
take a closer look at Klaus' example.

--- Jim Lambert <jiml at netrin.com> wrote:
> <    wait (the duration of player "myPlayer" / the
> timeScale of player "myPlayer") seconds>
> 
> This works and that's most important, but...
> Everything, including user interaction, suspends
> while the sound is playing,
> thus preventing the user from stopping the sound in
> midplay. If these sounds
> are brief you can probably 'get away' with that, but
> it's friendlier to
> leave control to the user. Klaus' SEND example
> allows for interruption
> during and between sound plays.
> 
> I wonder why playstopped isn't 100% reliable.
> 
> Jim Lambert
> 
> 
> 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Feb 19 16:08:01 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed Feb 19 16:08:01 2003
Subject: Indirection question
In-Reply-To: <BA79265B.6303%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <BA792FD2.26999%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

Recently, "Barry Levine"  wrote:

> What I'd like to do is something like:
> 
> on mouseUp
> if currentLetter = "W" then put "theW" into theList
> (etc)
> answer theList
> end mouseUp
> 
> Now, if I do this, the answer dialog shows "theW" instead of the
> contents of the var named theW. Obviously, I'm not referring to the
> variable in the appropriate manner.
> 
> Any ideas?

Arrays?

  put "W" into tKey
  put tVal into tMyVarListA[tKey]

...and to get the list:
  
  put the keys of tMyVarListA into tMyVars

-- 
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 Fourth World Media Corporation
 Developer of WebMerge 2.2: Publish any database on any site
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From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Feb 19 16:22:01 2003
From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk)
Date: Wed Feb 19 16:22:01 2003
Subject: page setup - A4
Message-ID: <1dfc701c2d85d$300f9180$7635bcc3@blueyonder.net>

On Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:11:25 +0100 Carsten Levin <carstenlist at itinfo.dk> wrote:

[...]
> And Richard Gaskin ambassador at fourthworld.com answered:
> Query the printPaperSize global property.
Thanks, but my problem is that when I use the "Page Setup" menu to 
choose A4 everything prints perfect and the settings are 595,841 ... 
untill I quit Revolution. Next time Revolution is restarted the 
settings are set back to 612,792.
Therefore I would very much like to know how we can script the 
PageSetup to stick to A4.


Hi Carsten, I'm having trouble getting a good interaction with a printer as well. A 'dirty' solution to your problem is to script 

  set the printPaperSize to 595,841

in the startUp handler of your application (or a preOpenStack handler for your main stack). This will work if you know that all your users will really be using an A4 printer, so that the physical paper size and the size assumed by your program will be the same. 

Of course it won't work if your user has suddenly changed the default size to A6 card or something, and it will continue to look wrong when the 'Page Setup' dialog comes up with 'US Letter' appearing as the default. To my mind the real problem is that AFAIK in Revo you can't write back the properties of the printer driver in general - if you could, then you could arrange that when the 'Page Setup' dialog comes up, the size is shown as A4. This seems to me a symptom of the fact (as far as I've been able to understand it) that Revolution doesn't provide a way to talk to printer drivers, although it is clear that this is possible for applications in both Macintosh (e.g. Graphic Converter, which even knows the actual printable area, or PageMaker, which memorises even obscure printer settings to do with colour management etc) and Windows (where expert friends tell me that Visual Basic provides a way to interrogate and set printer properties really easily - can anyone else elaborate on this?). I don't know if the Revolution team are planning to improve the printer interface or not, or whether maybe they already have - I haven't tried version 2.0 (beta) yet, but I will soon. Anyway it seems to me to be a key area for any development system, and of course it would be far better if printer control could be accomplished within the Revolution environment rather than by developing platform-specific external functions. Just me two (Euro) cents.

Anyway I hope this helps a bit

Graham

-------------------------------------------------------------
Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France


From alrice at arcplanning.com  Wed Feb 19 16:26:01 2003
From: alrice at arcplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Wed Feb 19 16:26:01 2003
Subject: mysterious resizing of buttons and fields
Message-ID: <456D4CB6-4450-11D7-B374-000393529642@arcplanning.com>

Periodically I notice that Rev has resized one or two my buttons of 
fields. Usually it's +- 2 to 6 pixesl. It happens even if "lock 
location and size" is select. What is going on here? I'm not sure, but 
it might have to build with opening my development stack on Windows 
(from Mac).

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From k_major at os.surf2000.de  Wed Feb 19 17:02:00 2003
From: k_major at os.surf2000.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed Feb 19 17:02:00 2003
Subject: mp3 files and the player object
In-Reply-To: <20030219203756.93585.qmail@web20421.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <533FEE91-4455-11D7-9D61-000A27B49A96@os.surf2000.de>

Hi Chris,

> --- Jim Lambert <jiml at netrin.com> wrote:
>> <    wait (the duration of player "myPlayer" / the
>> timeScale of player "myPlayer") seconds>
> Thanks for the info.  The user does have to be able to
> stop playback.  So I definitely need to consider that.
>  If the user does stop playback, everything will
> basically reset itself and start from the beginning
> with the first sound file and first sentence.  I will
> take a closer look at Klaus' example.

Drop a line if you need further info, assistance or explanations.

>> This works and that's most important, but...
>> Everything, including user interaction, suspends
>> while the sound is playing,
>> thus preventing the user from stopping the sound in
>> midplay. If these sounds
>> are brief you can probably 'get away' with that, but
>> it's friendlier to
>> leave control to the user. Klaus' SEND example
>> allows for interruption
>> during and between sound plays.
>>
>> I wonder why playstopped isn't 100% reliable.

You can also try this:

...
wait .... with mesages ### !!! :-)
...

Will only "block" this script and no other handlers...
See "wait" in the docs...

>> Jim Lambert

Hope that helps.

Regards

Klaus Major
k_major at os.surf2000.de



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Feb 19 17:17:00 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed Feb 19 17:17:00 2003
Subject: page setup - A4
In-Reply-To: <1dfc701c2d85d$300f9180$7635bcc3@blueyonder.net>
Message-ID: <BA794187.269B5%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk wrote:

> Hi Carsten, I'm having trouble getting a good interaction with a printer as
> well. A 'dirty' solution to your problem is to script
> 
> set the printPaperSize to 595,841
> 
> in the startUp handler of your application (or a preOpenStack handler for your
> main stack). This will work if you know that all your users will really be
> using an A4 printer, so that the physical paper size and the size assumed by
> your program will be the same.
> 
> Of course it won't work if your user has suddenly changed the default size to
> A6 card or something, and it will continue to look wrong when the 'Page Setup'
> dialog comes up with 'US Letter' appearing as the default. To my mind the real
> problem is that AFAIK in Revo you can't write back the properties of the
> printer driver in general - if you could, then you could arrange that when the
> 'Page Setup' dialog comes up, the size is shown as A4. This seems to me a
> symptom of the fact (as far as I've been able to understand it) that
> Revolution doesn't provide a way to talk to printer drivers, although it is
> clear that this is possible for applications in both Macintosh (e.g. Graphic
> Converter, which even knows the actual printable area, or PageMaker, which
> memorises even obscure printer settings to do with colour management etc) and
> Windows (where expert friends tell me that Visual Basic provides a way to
> interrogate and set printer properties really easily - can anyone else
> elaborate!

I wonder if this is a bug.

Rev's values for the printPaperSize do change after an answer printer
command, so it seems reasonable that they should be initialized to reflect
current settings on startup.  Any reason why it shouldn't?

-- 
 Richard Gaskin 
 Fourth World Media Corporation
 Developer of WebMerge 2.2: Publish any database on any site
 ___________________________________________________________
 Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
 Tel: 323-225-3717                       AIM: FourthWorldInc



From themacguy at macosx.com  Wed Feb 19 17:19:04 2003
From: themacguy at macosx.com (Barry Levine)
Date: Wed Feb 19 17:19:04 2003
Subject: Indirection ?...and the answer is... Thanks!
Message-ID: <AC52A474-4457-11D7-89D2-000393AAEF66@macosx.com>

I knew it! Once I posted the ?, I'd get at least one answer that would 
resolve the issue. In this case, all answers can resolve it.

Many thanks and a Shiner hoisted in your direction!

Barry



From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Wed Feb 19 17:21:04 2003
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah)
Date: Wed Feb 19 17:21:04 2003
Subject: mysterious resizing of buttons and fields
In-Reply-To: <a05111a8bba79a7247297@[192.168.0.100]>
Message-ID: <DFCB73F5-4457-11D7-B052-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

I don't know about buttons, but I have found fields resizing if you 
have the focus border showing. Sometimes the real border of the field 
will expand to where the edge of the focus border was. This is on a Mac 
only.

Sarah

On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 07:27  am, Alex Rice wrote:

> Periodically I notice that Rev has resized one or two my buttons of 
> fields. Usually it's +- 2 to 6 pixesl. It happens even if "lock 
> location and size" is select. What is going on here? I'm not sure, but 
> it might have to build with opening my development stack on Windows 
> (from Mac).
>
> Alex Rice, Software Developer
> Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
> alrice at ARCplanning.com
> alrice at swcp.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>




From alrice at arcplanning.com  Wed Feb 19 17:32:01 2003
From: alrice at arcplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Wed Feb 19 17:32:01 2003
Subject: several printing questions
Message-ID: <74E510C1-4459-11D7-B374-000393529642@arcplanning.com>

Thanks for bearing with me. There are a lot of questions here.

Mac OS X 10.2.4
Windows 2000
Samsung ML-1250 laser printer

1) I print a bunch of cards using code like this
--
lock screen
open printing
  print card x
close printing
--
If I lock screen as above, on Windows or on Mac, the icons on my 
buttons don't print. Or worse, sometimes there are blank regions. If I 
don't lock screen, on Windows, then print card x also causes the UI to 
*flash each card* as it's being printed, and the button graphics look 
fine. But it's better than missing regions in the print job. What is 
the workaround?

2) What are the least volatile fonts for Rev on Windows? Meaning- I 
want the closest correspondence between the on-screen display and the 
printed output. I've discovered that "ms sans serif" apparently doesn't 
exist on my printer, and "Helvetica" is rendered HUGE when printed. 
Like an extra 5 em-spaces per line. (formatForPrinting is not really an 
acceptable option because all of my cards are editable and they are 
laid out with formatForPrinting off, with editing in mind)

3) However, I've also been experimenting with formatForPrinting and 
seeing no discernible difference by using formatForPrinting.

What's wrong with this code to print? If I'm doing anything stupid or 
redundantly, please let me know.
--
   lock messages
   close stack "FacilityCalculator"
   set the formatForPrinting of stack "FacilityCalculator" to true
   put the number of card "MainNavigation" of stack "FacilityCalculator" 
\
       into tCardNumber
   go stack "FacilityCalculator"
   print card tCardNumber of stack "FacilityCalculator"
   close stack "FacilityCalculator"
   set the formatForPrinting of stack "FacilityCalculator" to false
   close stack kSelfStack
   set the formatForPrinting of stack kSelfStack to true
   go stack kSelfStack
   repeat with tCardNumber = 1 to the number of cards in this stack
     put value( "isActiveCard()", card tCardNumber of this stack) into 
tActive
     if tActive then
       set the printCardBorders to true
       set the printScale to 0.9
       set the printRotated to true
       print card tCardNumber of this stack
     end if
   end repeat
   close printing
   close stack kSelfStack
   set the formatForPrinting of stack kSelfStack to false
   go card "Report" of stack kSelfStack
   unlock messages
--

Thanks,


Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From alrice at arcplanning.com  Wed Feb 19 17:52:01 2003
From: alrice at arcplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Wed Feb 19 17:52:01 2003
Subject: more printing questions
Message-ID: <46451F94-445C-11D7-B374-000393529642@arcplanning.com>

1) How can I find out the name of the user's Default printer?

2) The following messages have no effect on Windows, unless I do NOT 
call "answer printer". On Mac OS X, they never have any effect, 
regardless of whether I call "answer printer" or "open printing with 
dialog".

set the printCardBorders to true
set the printScale to 0.9
set the printRotated to true

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From alrice at arcplanning.com  Wed Feb 19 18:54:01 2003
From: alrice at arcplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Wed Feb 19 18:54:01 2003
Subject: Why... is the selected text deselected?
In-Reply-To: <BA790057.6D6C%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <E2281EC8-4464-11D7-B374-000393529642@arcplanning.com>

On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 10:35  AM, Ken Norris (dialup) 
wrote:
>
> Is there a reason you can't have the backgroundBehavior true?. It 
> should
> work under those conditions, or else it wouldn't be compatible with HC.

Either I'm not following you, or it doesn't work. I grouped by field, 
set backgroundBehavior to true, turned of messages, then moved forward 
a card, then back, and my selection was gone.

> A totally different approach: Put the field into a palette or other 
> floating
> window. Selections seem to stick from card to card until you select
> something else.

I'm not following you. Does this have to do with the window decoration 
you select in the stack properties?

Thanks,

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 19 20:54:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Wed Feb 19 20:54:01 2003
Subject: several printing questions
In-Reply-To: <74E510C1-4459-11D7-B374-000393529642@arcplanning.com>
Message-ID: <20030220015014.32606.qmail@web11907.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Alex Rice <alrice at arcplanning.com> wrote:
> Thanks for bearing with me. There are a lot of
> questions here.
> 
> Mac OS X 10.2.4
> Windows 2000
> Samsung ML-1250 laser printer
> 
> 1) I print a bunch of cards using code like this
> --
> lock screen
> open printing
>   print card x
> close printing
> --
> If I lock screen as above, on Windows or on Mac, the
> icons on my 
> buttons don't print. Or worse, sometimes there are
> blank regions. If I 
> don't lock screen, on Windows, then print card x
> also causes the UI to 
> *flash each card* as it's being printed, and the
> button graphics look 
> fine. But it's better than missing regions in the
> print job. What is 
> the workaround?
> 

Hi Alex,

I'm not sure on your other questions, but what happens
if you 'go stack XXX invisible' while printing?
Of course if the stack is displayed on screen, this
isn't really going to work, unless you create a temp
stack, set its label, make a snapshot of the real
stack window, paste it in the fake stack window, and
purge that stack after use.

Hope this gave you a helpful idea.

Jan Schenkel.

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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Feb 19 21:30:01 2003
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed Feb 19 21:30:01 2003
Subject: Why... is the selected text deselected?
In-Reply-To: <E2281EC8-4464-11D7-B374-000393529642@arcplanning.com>
References: <E2281EC8-4464-11D7-B374-000393529642@arcplanning.com>
Message-ID: <3E543CCC.2090801@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/19/03 5:50 PM, Alex Rice wrote:
> 
> On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 10:35  AM, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:
> 
>>
>> Is there a reason you can't have the backgroundBehavior true?. It should
>> work under those conditions, or else it wouldn't be compatible with HC.
> 
> 
> Either I'm not following you, or it doesn't work. I grouped by field, 
> set backgroundBehavior to true, turned of messages, then moved forward a 
> card, then back, and my selection was gone.

Works okay here. Check the properties of the field, and make sure that 
the field's listBehavior property is true. Also make sure you aren't 
accidentally running a copy of the field on the second card -- make sure 
the first card's field is really the one that is placed on the second card.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From alrice at arcplanning.com  Wed Feb 19 21:50:01 2003
From: alrice at arcplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Wed Feb 19 21:50:01 2003
Subject: Why... is the selected text deselected?
In-Reply-To: <3E543CCC.2090801@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <7FAEA4C8-447D-11D7-B374-000393529642@arcplanning.com>

On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 07:26  PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Works okay here. Check the properties of the field, and make sure that 
> the field's listBehavior property is true. Also make sure you aren't 
> accidentally running a copy of the field on the second card -- make 
> sure the first card's field is really the one that is placed on the 
> second card.

That's just it- the field is only intended to be on the first card. 
Second card has other stuff on it. I guess I wasn't being clear about 
that. thanks,


Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From scott at tactilemedia.com  Wed Feb 19 22:10:01 2003
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Wed Feb 19 22:10:01 2003
Subject: Why... is the selected text deselected?
In-Reply-To: <7FAEA4C8-447D-11D7-B374-000393529642@arcplanning.com>
Message-ID: <BA798624.631E%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, "Alex Rice"  wrote:

>> Works okay here. Check the properties of the field, and make sure that
>> the field's listBehavior property is true. Also make sure you aren't
>> accidentally running a copy of the field on the second card -- make
>> sure the first card's field is really the one that is placed on the
>> second card.
> 
> That's just it- the field is only intended to be on the first card.
> Second card has other stuff on it. I guess I wasn't being clear about
> that.

Not sure if this is what you're after, but if you're just trying to
re-select text in a field, you could place this in the card script:

on preOpenCard
   select line 1 of fld myField
end preOpenCard

Or, to place the cursor before the text:

on preOpenCard
   select before line 1 of fld myField
end preOpenCard

You may need to use a variable or custom property to store the specifics of
your text selection, and you might want to use a variable/property to
trigger the auto-selection only after the user has returned from the second
card.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Wed Feb 19 23:04:00 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Wed Feb 19 23:04:00 2003
Subject: Indirection question
In-Reply-To: <200302192123.QAA04291@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA7993C3.6D79%pixelbird@interisland.net>

**********
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:07:35 -0700
> Subject: Indirection question
> From: Barry Levine <themacguy at macosx.com>

> on mouseUp
> if currentLetter = "W" then put "theW" into theList
> (etc)
> answer theList
> end mouseUp
> 
> Now, if I do this, the answer dialog shows "theW" instead of the
> contents of the var named theW. Obviously, I'm not referring to the
> variable in the appropriate manner.
----------
Remove the quotes:

  if currentLetter = "W" then put theW into theList

...theList will then have the same content as theW

Too easy?

Ken N.






From bornstein at designeq.com  Wed Feb 19 23:14:01 2003
From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Wed Feb 19 23:14:01 2003
Subject: Rough day on the Revolution front
Message-ID: <200302200409.h1K49ib1022483@ms-smtp-01.nyroc.rr.com>

>Has anyone else encountered these kinds of problems?

Hi Ken,

I've occasionally had days like this with Rev. It's always a mystery to 
me because it's well-behaved most of the time. Then suddenly, it's like 
its alter-ego appears and everything goes wrong. I know the signs however 
and when I seem them I don't attempt to continue working. My best advice 
in these cases is to quit Rev and reboot the computer. Usually, things 
work better then. 

I haven't done extensive testing, but my feel at this point is that Rev 
2.0 is much more stable in this regard. I've seen some of the bugs that 
are still in it, but not this periodic, inexplicable, decent into 
insanity that Rev 1.1.1 seems to exhibit. I could be wrong, but I'm 
hoping this kind of experience will soon be a thing of the past.

Regards,

Howard Bornstein
____________________
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www.designeq.com


From jburtt at earthlink.net  Thu Feb 20 00:32:01 2003
From: jburtt at earthlink.net (John)
Date: Thu Feb 20 00:32:01 2003
Subject: mp3 files and the player object
In-Reply-To: <200302192123.QAA04291@www.runrev.com>
References: <200302192123.QAA04291@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05100300ba7a11c65367@[66.81.253.34]>

>
><    wait (the duration of player "myPlayer" / the
>timeScale of player "myPlayer") seconds>
>
>This works and that's most important, but...
>Everything, including user interaction, suspends while the sound is playing,
>thus preventing the user from stopping the sound in midplay. If these sounds
>are brief you can probably 'get away' with that, but it's friendlier to
>leave control to the user. Klaus' SEND example allows for interruption
>during and between sound plays.
>
>I wonder why playstopped isn't 100% reliable.
>
>Jim Lambert

I've received so many answers from the list, I'm happy to finally be 
able to send a few suggestions myself.

I built a mp3 player and also had trouble with the playStopped 
message. This is my workaround:

on playAllSounds --- this command is called to start the whole thing
   --- a return delimited list of soundFilePaths is located in fld "SoundData"
    Global gSoundList
    put fld "SoundData" into gSoundList
    playSoundList
end playAllSounds

on playSoundList --- this command holds the soundFilePaths
                             ---and plays them one after the other
    Global gSoundPlaying,gSoundList
        --- UnLoad the player (you must set player fileName to empty
        --- before setting a new fileName. I don't know why???)
    put "false" into gSoundPlaying
    set the fileName of player "SoundPlayer" to empty
    set the paused of player "SoundPlayer" to "true"
        --- Load the player with new fileName if there is one
    if gSoundList is empty then exit to top --- no more sounds to play
    get line 1 of gSoundList
    delete line 1 of gSoundList --- this prepares soundList for next call
    set the fileName of player "SoundPlayer" to it
    set the currentTime of player "SoundPlayer" to "0"
    startPlayer
end playSoundList

on startPlayer --- this command is called by the "playSoundList" command
           --- or by a button to restart a paused sound at the place 
it was paused
    Global gSoundPlaying
    if the fileName of player "SoundPlayer" is empty then exit startPlayer
    set the paused of player "SoundPlayer" to "false"
    put "true" into gSoundPlaying
    updateSoundProgress
end startPlayer

on pausePlayer --- this command is called by a "Pause" button
    Global gSoundPlaying
    if the fileName of player "SoundPlayer" is empty then exit pausePlayer
    set the paused of player "SoundPlayer" to "true"
    put "false" into gSoundPlaying
end pausePlayer

on updateSoundProgress --- this command is the key to starting a new
                                           --- sound when the current 
sound is done
    Global gSoundPlaying
    if gSoundPlaying is not "true" then exit updateSoundProgress
    put the duration of player "SoundPlayer" into soundDone
    get the currentTime of player "SoundPlayer"
    if it is soundDone then
       playSoundList
    else
       send "updateSoundProgress" to me in 20 ticks
    end if
end updateSoundProgress

  Hope this helps...  John






From alrice at arcplanning.com  Thu Feb 20 01:23:01 2003
From: alrice at arcplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Thu Feb 20 01:23:01 2003
Subject: Why... is the selected text deselected?
In-Reply-To: <BA798624.631E%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <2B044164-449B-11D7-B374-000393529642@arcplanning.com>

On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 08:06  PM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> You may need to use a variable or custom property to store the 
> specifics of
> your text selection, and you might want to use a variable/property to
> trigger the auto-selection only after the user has returned from the 
> second
> card.

Thanks for the suggestion. I know I can select the text with a handler 
if necessary. I just have a lot of cards and want to *maintain the 
selection in the first place* :-)

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From pixelbird at interisland.net  Thu Feb 20 03:32:01 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Thu Feb 20 03:32:01 2003
Subject: Why... is the selected text deselected?
In-Reply-To: <200302200533.AAA13122@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA79D28A.6D86%pixelbird@interisland.net>

**********
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:50:11 -0700
> Subject: Re: Why... is the selected text deselected?
> From: Alex Rice <alrice at arcplanning.com>

> On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 10:35  AM, Ken Norris (dialup)
> wrote:
>> 
>> Is there a reason you can't have the backgroundBehavior true?. It
>> should
>> work under those conditions, or else it wouldn't be compatible with HC.
> 
> Either I'm not following you, or it doesn't work. I grouped by field,
> set backgroundBehavior to true, turned of messages, then moved forward
> a card, then back, and my selection was gone.
----------
OK, let me try it in Rev, then I'll make a single bg shared text list field
in an HC stack and translate the stack into Rev and see what it does. I just
checked it several hours ago in HyperCard, and it works fine. In fact the
field I checked, even though a selectable shared text one, is even more
customized with voice feedback. Further, I not only navigated back and forth
through several cards, but I even made new cards and deleted cards, none of
which deselected the line in the field. I could still access it with:

  put the selectedText of bg fld "CommonWords"

...returned the contents of the line to the Message box, even after all that
manuevering.

I'll let you know tomorrow...that is if I can work Rev without it quitting
on a type 2 error on my old PowerBook (happened 4 times yesterday), which I
just defragged.
----------
>> A totally different approach: Put the field into a palette or other
>> floating
>> window. Selections seem to stick from card to card until you select
>> something else.
> 
> I'm not following you. Does this have to do with the window decoration
> you select in the stack properties?
----------
It was just an idea I floated. I'll have to check into it further.

Best regards,
Ken N.




From pixelbird at interisland.net  Thu Feb 20 04:23:00 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Thu Feb 20 04:23:00 2003
Subject: Why... is the selected text deselected?
In-Reply-To: <200302200533.AAA13122@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA79DE5B.6D87%pixelbird@interisland.net>

**********
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 19:46:23 -0700
> Subject: Re: Why... is the selected text deselected?
> From: Alex Rice <alrice at arcplanning.com>

> That's just it- the field is only intended to be on the first card.
> Second card has other stuff on it. I guess I wasn't being clear about
> that. thanks,
----------
Oh. I don't see how that can be if it's sharedText is true and grouped with
backgroundBehavior set to true. If it is, then it runs in the background
mode like HyperCard, meaning it should be on every card of that background
group.

If you actually don't want to see it on other cards, then hide it until you
get back to the card on which you want to see it and show it there. It
should display with the selection still on.

In fact, if you leave it selected, you should be able to _close_ the stack
and reopen it and it should _still_ be selected. Somewhere I have stacks
with 17 autoSelect, sharedText fields, and all of them will still show their
last selected lines until I deliberately deselect them. You can select
anything else, anywhere else, and it shouldn't deselect a shared text
background field (well, a grouped field with background behavior on).

Is this making any sense?

Ken N.



From runrev at technetx.com  Thu Feb 20 04:27:01 2003
From: runrev at technetx.com (runrev at technetx.com)
Date: Thu Feb 20 04:27:01 2003
Subject: tabs
Message-ID: <001701c2d8c1$9ec084e0$0201a8c0@nh2>

OK, I'm losing it.  I had this just last week and for the life of me I can't
think of how I did it.  I know it's a simple one liner but please, somebody
jog my memory.

Let's say I have 4 tabs in a grouped control.  The text of the tabs from
left to right is one, two, three and four.  Now, if I had another button
(outside of the tabs), and when clicked, simply sent a mouseup to a specific
tab, what is the code.  Supposing the selected tab is currently one, and I
want it to switch to three without physically clicking tab three...

Sorry everybody, total brain dump.
Thanks all.

Ron



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Thu Feb 20 04:40:01 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Thu Feb 20 04:40:01 2003
Subject: Rough day on the Revolution front
In-Reply-To: <200302200533.AAA13122@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA79E24A.6D88%pixelbird@interisland.net>

**********
> Subject: Re: Rough day on the Revolution front
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 23:09:45 -0500
> From: Howard Bornstein <bornstein at designeq.com>
 
> I haven't done extensive testing, but my feel at this point is that Rev
> 2.0 is much more stable in this regard. I've seen some of the bugs that
> are still in it, but not this periodic, inexplicable, decent into
> insanity that Rev 1.1.1 seems to exhibit. I could be wrong, but I'm
> hoping this kind of experience will soon be a thing of the past.
----------
Thanks for the Re Howard,

Well, it's not out of beta yet, is it? I'm like you, I hope the final
shipping version is stable.

One of the things I've noticed is that it's fairly viscious when it comes to
memory on a Mac. You're much better off if you don't run other programs
while working in the IDE. Also, I wish I'd been paying more attention to
whoever said they have a timer plugin that autosaves a copy of the current
iteration of whatever they're working on every so often.

Anyone know where that plugin is?

Thanks much,
Ken N.



From valetia at mac.com  Thu Feb 20 06:08:01 2003
From: valetia at mac.com (valetia at mac.com)
Date: Thu Feb 20 06:08:01 2003
Subject: tabs
In-Reply-To: <001701c2d8c1$9ec084e0$0201a8c0@nh2>
Message-ID: <BA7AF352.1FB0C%valetia@mac.com>

Assuming you already have a "mouseUp" function within the tabbed button that
takes care of what happens when a tab is clicked on, you could do this:

    set the menuHistory of button "My Tabbed Button" to 3
    send "mouseUp" to button "My Tabbed Button"

Hope this helps.

Valetia



> From: runrev at technetx.com
> Organization: Technetx
> Reply-To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 01:22:41 -0800
> To: "Run Time Revolution USE" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: tabs
> 
> OK, I'm losing it.  I had this just last week and for the life of me I can't
> think of how I did it.  I know it's a simple one liner but please, somebody
> jog my memory.
> 
> Let's say I have 4 tabs in a grouped control.  The text of the tabs from
> left to right is one, two, three and four.  Now, if I had another button
> (outside of the tabs), and when clicked, simply sent a mouseup to a specific
> tab, what is the code.  Supposing the selected tab is currently one, and I
> want it to switch to three without physically clicking tab three...
> 
> Sorry everybody, total brain dump.
> Thanks all.
> 
> Ron
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From valetia at mac.com  Thu Feb 20 06:12:01 2003
From: valetia at mac.com (valetia at mac.com)
Date: Thu Feb 20 06:12:01 2003
Subject: Rough day on the Revolution front
In-Reply-To: <BA79E24A.6D88%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <BA7AF439.1FB0F%valetia@mac.com>

> One of the things I've noticed is that it's fairly viscious when it comes to
> memory on a Mac. You're much better off if you don't run other programs
> while working in the IDE. Also, I wish I'd been paying more attention to
> whoever said they have a timer plugin that autosaves a copy of the current
> iteration of whatever they're working on every so often.
> 
> Anyone know where that plugin is?

That would be Chipp's altArchive plugin available at:

http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/NewPlugins.htm

Hope this helps.

Valetia



From k_major at os.surf2000.de  Thu Feb 20 06:33:01 2003
From: k_major at os.surf2000.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu Feb 20 06:33:01 2003
Subject: tabs
In-Reply-To: <BA7AF352.1FB0C%valetia@mac.com>
Message-ID: <A58DD934-44C6-11D7-8F95-000A27B49A96@os.surf2000.de>

Hi Ron, hi Valetia,

> Assuming you already have a "mouseUp" function within the tabbed 
> button that
> takes care of what happens when a tab is clicked on, you could do this:
>
>     set the menuHistory of button "My Tabbed Button" to 3
>     send "mouseUp" to button "My Tabbed Button"
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Valetia

you can even omit the second line :-)
(send mouseup...)

>  set the menuHistory of button "My Tabbed Button" to 3

That'll do the work...


Regards


Klaus Major
k_major at os.surf2000.de



From valetia at mac.com  Thu Feb 20 07:38:01 2003
From: valetia at mac.com (valetia at mac.com)
Date: Thu Feb 20 07:38:01 2003
Subject: tabs
In-Reply-To: <A58DD934-44C6-11D7-8F95-000A27B49A96@os.surf2000.de>
Message-ID: <BA7B085D.1FB25%valetia@mac.com>

Hey Klaus,

>>     set the menuHistory of button "My Tabbed Button" to 3
>>     send "mouseUp" to button "My Tabbed Button"
> 
> you can even omit the second line :-)
> (send mouseup...)

I had also thought that you could omit the second line. However I have a
stack that does require the second line, otherwise only the tab changes (the
related "mouseUp" action doesn't automatically occur).

Valetia



From k_major at os.surf2000.de  Thu Feb 20 07:47:01 2003
From: k_major at os.surf2000.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu Feb 20 07:47:01 2003
Subject: tabs
In-Reply-To: <BA7B085D.1FB25%valetia@mac.com>
Message-ID: <F61A98AA-44D0-11D7-8F95-000A27B49A96@os.surf2000.de>

Hi Valetia,

> Hey Klaus,
>
>>>     set the menuHistory of button "My Tabbed Button" to 3
>>>     send "mouseUp" to button "My Tabbed Button"
>>
>> you can even omit the second line :-)
>> (send mouseup...)
>
> I had also thought that you could omit the second line. However I have 
> a
> stack that does require the second line, otherwise only the tab 
> changes (the
> related "mouseUp" action doesn't automatically occur).
>
> Valetia

good to know.

I will add this line to all my handlers, especially those,
who work as exspected (until now ;-).

Thanks a lot.


Regards

Klaus Major
k_major at os.surf2000.de



From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Thu Feb 20 08:00:00 2003
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Thu Feb 20 08:00:00 2003
Subject: tabs
In-Reply-To: <F61A98AA-44D0-11D7-8F95-000A27B49A96@os.surf2000.de>
References: <F61A98AA-44D0-11D7-8F95-000A27B49A96@os.surf2000.de>
Message-ID: <p05200f04ba7a7f7d397e@[192.168.123.7]>

At 1:43 pm +0100 20/2/03, Klaus Major wrote:
>Hi Valetia,
>
>>  Hey Klaus,
>>
>>>>      set the menuHistory of button "My Tabbed Button" to 3
>>>>      send "mouseUp" to button "My Tabbed Button"
>>>
>>>  you can even omit the second line :-)
>>>  (send mouseup...)
>>
>>  I had also thought that you could omit the second line. However I have a
>>  stack that does require the second line, otherwise only the tab changes (the
>>  related "mouseUp" action doesn't automatically occur).
>>
>>  Valetia
>
>good to know.
>
>I will add this line to all my handlers, especially those,
>who work as exspected (until now ;-).

When you set the menuhistory, a "menuPick" mesage gets sent to the 
button. So if you handle the tab selections in a menuPick handler 
(the normal way, I think), just setting the menuHistory is enough. 
But if you need to handle mouseUp too, then you'll have to send that 
yourself.

Cheers
Dave


From Doug_Ivers at lord.com  Thu Feb 20 09:05:01 2003
From: Doug_Ivers at lord.com (Ivers, Doug E)
Date: Thu Feb 20 09:05:01 2003
Subject: Size of build and minimization thereof
Message-ID: <E08533A454364A4C8B395EA007D1F423097752@ntsrvcrd04.main.lord.com>

I have a stack (including substacks) that is about 920kb.  When I build, it typically grows to between 2 and 3Mb depending on the target platform.

What are some easy things to try for cutting down on the built size?  I don't check the Animation, Printing, Database, or Internet libraries, or Error Reporting.  I do check everything else in Resources.

I'm surprised that my stack unbuilt is 920kb -- what can I do to dramatically reduce that?  I only have one jpeg image and one audio file, no other resources.

Is there a way to find out how much of the 920kb is code?


-- D

 


From valetia at mac.com  Thu Feb 20 09:06:00 2003
From: valetia at mac.com (valetia at mac.com)
Date: Thu Feb 20 09:06:00 2003
Subject: tabs
In-Reply-To: <p05200f04ba7a7f7d397e@[192.168.123.7]>
Message-ID: <BA7B1D1E.1FB39%valetia@mac.com>

> When you set the menuhistory, a "menuPick" mesage gets sent to the
> button. So if you handle the tab selections in a menuPick handler
> (the normal way, I think), just setting the menuHistory is enough.
> But if you need to handle mouseUp too, then you'll have to send that
> yourself.

OK...sounds good. :-)

Valetia



From bvg at mac.com  Thu Feb 20 09:35:01 2003
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Thu Feb 20 09:35:01 2003
Subject: T-Shirt competiton and Tagline
In-Reply-To: <BA7972E7.D08F%heather@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <EC48E87C-44DF-11D7-A335-003065AD94A4@mac.com>

Is it possible to get the font that is used for the subscript at the 
"Made with Runtime Revolution" logo?
With it one could write the tagline like it is supposed to.

On Mittwoch, Feb 19, 2003, at 18:44 Europe/Zurich, Heather Williams 
wrote:

> Greetings! Ladies and gentlemen, as you will see from my signature, we 
> have
> a new tagline at last. If you are entering the t-shirt competition, you
> might like to incorporate this in your design. Anyone who has already
> entered is welcome to modify their entry to take account of this.
>
> Looking forward to seeing you all wearing it :-)
>
> Heather
> -- 
> Heather Williams <heather at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
> Runtime Revolution Ltd.
> Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707
> Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From wmb at internettrainer.com  Thu Feb 20 10:22:01 2003
From: wmb at internettrainer.com (Wolfgang M. Bereuter)
Date: Thu Feb 20 10:22:01 2003
Subject: Clueless loss
In-Reply-To: <BA790E2A.6D6E%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <7B5D2072-44E6-11D7-BF9D-003065430226@internettrainer.com>

On Mittwoch, Februar 19, 2003, at 07:34  Uhr, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:

> However, can you brief me on how to sort images? I'm not sure what you 
> mean,
> i.e., moving images around to see which ones are under others, then 
> moving
> them forward or backward?
In 1.1.1
prop palette
tab basic
layers: number of the layer
below: 4 arrows - with them you can move controls up/down (also to the 
first or last)
hope that helps

in pre beta its under "size and position"

regards
Wolfgang M. Bereuter

Learn easy with trainingsmaps?

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From bvg at mac.com  Thu Feb 20 10:26:01 2003
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Thu Feb 20 10:26:01 2003
Subject: Size of build and minimization thereof
In-Reply-To: <E08533A454364A4C8B395EA007D1F423097752@ntsrvcrd04.main.lord.com>
Message-ID: <05A2AE30-44E7-11D7-A335-003065AD94A4@mac.com>

THe only way to reduce the size of the executable is to uncheck all 
libraries and don't include anything into the stack, but it will only 
get you to around 1.5 MB. You do naturally need more space for the code 
that executes your scripts in the standalone, so that is where that 1.5 
MB comes from. There is currently no way of getting less size. however 
if you compress a executable of 3 MB, then it can get as small as 600 
kB. I suggest you zip it, or such.

On Donnerstag, Feb 20, 2003, at 15:00 Europe/Zurich, Ivers, Doug E 
wrote:

> I have a stack (including substacks) that is about 920kb.  When I 
> build, it typically grows to between 2 and 3Mb depending on the target 
> platform.
>
> What are some easy things to try for cutting down on the built size?  
> I don't check the Animation, Printing, Database, or Internet 
> libraries, or Error Reporting.  I do check everything else in 
> Resources.
>
> I'm surprised that my stack unbuilt is 920kb -- what can I do to 
> dramatically reduce that?  I only have one jpeg image and one audio 
> file, no other resources.
>
> Is there a way to find out how much of the 920kb is code?
>
>
> -- D
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Feb 20 10:45:02 2003
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu Feb 20 10:45:02 2003
Subject: Size of build and minimization thereof
In-Reply-To: <E08533A454364A4C8B395EA007D1F423097752@ntsrvcrd04.main.lord.com>
Message-ID: <BA7A37C1.ADBB%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Ivers, Doug E wrote:

> I'm surprised that my stack unbuilt is 920kb -- what can I do to dramatically
> reduce that?  I only have one jpeg image and one audio file, no other
> resources.

How much space do your raw files (JPEG and audio file) occupy on the
desktop?

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director

Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
Email: scott at tactilemedia.com
Web: www.tactilemedia.com



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Feb 20 10:49:01 2003
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu Feb 20 10:49:01 2003
Subject: Why... is the selected text deselected?
In-Reply-To: <2B044164-449B-11D7-B374-000393529642@arcplanning.com>
References: <2B044164-449B-11D7-B374-000393529642@arcplanning.com>
Message-ID: <3E54F7EF.3000900@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/20/03 12:18 AM, Alex Rice wrote:

> Thanks for the suggestion. I know I can select the text with a handler 
> if necessary. I just have a lot of cards and want to *maintain the 
> selection in the first place* :-)

Okay, if I understand it right, you have a field that you only want to 
display on one card. You want its text selection to be persistent.

If that is the case, you do not need to group the field or assign 
backgroundbehavior to it. It is just a card field. All you need to do is 
make sure it is a list field. Non-list fields will not maintain their 
selection.

If you can't make it a list field for some reason, then you will have to 
track the selection and reset it each time the card opens, probably in a 
preOpenCard handler.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 20 11:29:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Thu Feb 20 11:29:01 2003
Subject: Why... is the selected text deselected?
In-Reply-To: <3E54F7EF.3000900@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <20030220162515.11911.qmail@web11903.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> On 2/20/03 12:18 AM, Alex Rice wrote:
> 
> > Thanks for the suggestion. I know I can select the
> text with a handler 
> > if necessary. I just have a lot of cards and want
> to *maintain the 
> > selection in the first place* :-)
> 
> Okay, if I understand it right, you have a field
> that you only want to 
> display on one card. You want its text selection to
> be persistent.
> 
> If that is the case, you do not need to group the
> field or assign 
> backgroundbehavior to it. It is just a card field.
> All you need to do is 
> make sure it is a list field. Non-list fields will
> not maintain their 
> selection.
> 
> If you can't make it a list field for some reason,
> then you will have to 
> track the selection and reset it each time the card
> opens, probably in a 
> preOpenCard handler.
> 

I'm sorry Jacqueline, but that doesn't work:
- create a new stack
- make a list field, set its text to
  line 1
  line 2
  line 3
- add a button "Go next" with the equivalent script
- create a new card
- add a button "Go prev" with the equivalent script
And with this test stack, see if the selection sticks
as you move back and forth between the cards. It
doesn't.
The instant you 'leave' the card, the selection is
gone.

In fact, if you stick it into a 'background' group,
the selection is saved when you hop from card to card,
but is lost as soon as you go to a card that doesn't
have this background group.

As it is relatively easy to code around in an
openCard/closeCard pair, it's mostly an annoyance.
However, the question is : as HyperCard _did_ save
this info, and a number of people may argue that this
would be expexted behaviour, can we regard this as a
bug ?

Jan Schenkel.

=====
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From rcozens at pon.net  Thu Feb 20 11:44:00 2003
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Thu Feb 20 11:44:00 2003
Subject: Ken's recent bad day.
Message-ID: <a05100300ba7ab10d4bd1@[216.229.107.111]>

Hi Ken,

I'm busy with OenoLog conversion and only scanning the List.  I 
trashed your message before responding.

FWIW, on Mac OS 9.2 & Rev 1.5A7, I can fairly consistently crash 
RunRev or create an indefinite hang via the Application Overview. 
All I need do is to attempt to show the controls of a card other than 
the current card while working on OenoLog (40+ cards, 400-500 
images).  Sometimes I can get to the controls of one or two cards 
before crashing; sometimes it happens on the very first card I select 
in AO.  Sometimes it's a total crash: nothing responds to the mouse; 
sometimes I can get the Finder by clicking on the menu bar, and then 
go back to the AO, which then continues as though nothing happened.

I have not reported this because (a) I am waiting to see whether it 
is fixed in v2.5 and (b) I can work around the problem by making a 
card the current card before trying to access its controls via the AO.

And "Quit" from any RunRev menu I've tried here is perceptually instantaneous.
-- 
Rob Cozens
<http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm>

Vive R Revolution!


From alrice at arcplanning.com  Thu Feb 20 12:40:01 2003
From: alrice at arcplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Thu Feb 20 12:40:01 2003
Subject: Why... is the selected text deselected?
In-Reply-To: <20030220162515.11911.qmail@web11903.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CBF2FD16-44F9-11D7-800C-000393529642@arcplanning.com>

On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 09:25  AM, Jan Schenkel wrote:
> As it is relatively easy to code around in an
> openCard/closeCard pair, it's mostly an annoyance.

Yep, I was just making sure I wasn't coding around something 
unnecessarily.

> However, the question is : as HyperCard _did_ save
> this info, and a number of people may argue that this
> would be expexted behaviour, can we regard this as a
> bug ?

Never used HyperCard but am glad I stumbled upon this issue :-)

Thanks,

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From valetia at mac.com  Thu Feb 20 13:25:01 2003
From: valetia at mac.com (valetia at mac.com)
Date: Thu Feb 20 13:25:01 2003
Subject: Combo-box/popup menu in a list field?
In-Reply-To: <BA7A08A2.1F9FF%valetia@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BA7B59C3.1FB86%valetia@mac.com>

Hey all,

How do you create a combo-box/popup menu that appears *inside* a scrolling
list field?

Specifically one that appears on each line of a certain column (the list
field has vGrid set to true)?

I know that in all likelihood this is probably not possible with Revolution,
but in that case, what would be the best way to implement something that
achieves the same effect?

Valetia



From rcozens at pon.net  Thu Feb 20 13:51:01 2003
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Thu Feb 20 13:51:01 2003
Subject: Serendipity Library Update 20030218
Message-ID: <a05100301ba7ad2c33762@[216.229.107.161]>

Hi All,

Serendipity Library Update 20030218 is now available at 
http://www.oenolog.com/ftp/serendipity_downloader.htm

The major change in this update is the addition of an annual calendar 
mode (displaying all twelve months) to ClickCalendar.  The annual 
calendar ["Year"] mode can be used whenever the specific day is not 
important (eg: selecting month and year for monthly report data), or 
it can be used as a first step in selecting a day where the range of 
months is broader then a few.  Serendipity Library is upadted to 
include new images used by ClickCalendar.

If you have a previous version of Serendipity Library, you need only download

* ClickCalendar.rev.sgz
* Serendipity_Library.rev.sdg
* and the Read Me file

and decompress them using SDB Utilities or RevVise.
-- 

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)


From kevin at runrev.com  Thu Feb 20 14:38:01 2003
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Thu Feb 20 14:38:01 2003
Subject: several printing questions
In-Reply-To: <74E510C1-4459-11D7-B374-000393529642@arcplanning.com>
Message-ID: <BA7ADE49.119A4%kevin@runrev.com>

On 19/2/03 10:28 pm, Alex Rice <alrice at arcplanning.com> wrote:

> Thanks for bearing with me. There are a lot of questions here.
> 
> Mac OS X 10.2.4
> Windows 2000
> Samsung ML-1250 laser printer
> 
> 1) I print a bunch of cards using code like this
> --
> lock screen
> open printing
> print card x
> close printing
> --
> If I lock screen as above, on Windows or on Mac, the icons on my
> buttons don't print. Or worse, sometimes there are blank regions. If I
> don't lock screen, on Windows, then print card x also causes the UI to
> *flash each card* as it's being printed, and the button graphics look
> fine. But it's better than missing regions in the print job. What is
> the workaround?

On the Mac too?  What version of Rev?  Can you send me a stack off-list.
We're trying to get a handle on all the outstanding issues at the moment
(its not proving much fun!).

> 2) What are the least volatile fonts for Rev on Windows?

Fonts that are on the printer.  Arial is usually OK.

> Meaning- I 
> want the closest correspondence between the on-screen display and the
> printed output. I've discovered that "ms sans serif" apparently doesn't
> exist on my printer, and "Helvetica" is rendered HUGE when printed.
> Like an extra 5 em-spaces per line. (formatForPrinting is not really an
> acceptable option because all of my cards are editable and they are
> laid out with formatForPrinting off, with editing in mind)

You probably do want to use this option and make the screen match it if
necessary.

> 3) However, I've also been experimenting with formatForPrinting and
> seeing no discernible difference by using formatForPrinting.

It only takes effect after closing (remove from memory) and reopening the
stack.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited: Software at the Speed of Thought
Tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165.  Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707.



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Feb 20 14:50:01 2003
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu Feb 20 14:50:01 2003
Subject: Combo-box/popup menu in a list field?
References: <BA7B59C3.1FB86%valetia@mac.com>
Message-ID: <003001c2d919$1d4c3aa0$6f00a8c0@mckinley.dom>

Place a clone of the popup menu button in the proper place on each line
of the field. Make sure the field is *not* scrolling. Then group the
field and all the buttons and set the scrolling of the group to true.
You'll need to "manually" code for creating new clones of the popup menu
and relocating the clone for each new row added, but that would be the
way to do it.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: <valetia at mac.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 12:21 PM
Subject: Combo-box/popup menu in a list field?


> Hey all,
>
> How do you create a combo-box/popup menu that appears *inside* a
scrolling
> list field?
>
> Specifically one that appears on each line of a certain column (the
list
> field has vGrid set to true)?
>
> I know that in all likelihood this is probably not possible with
Revolution,
> but in that case, what would be the best way to implement something
that
> achieves the same effect?
>
> Valetia
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From alrice at arcplanning.com  Thu Feb 20 15:45:01 2003
From: alrice at arcplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Thu Feb 20 15:45:01 2003
Subject: safe shell command
Message-ID: <B49BCC8A-4513-11D7-9B53-000393529642@arcplanning.com>

I have gleaned these tidbits from the list. Can anyone add to this code 
for making sure the shell command is going to run correctly, minimized 
on all windows variants? Does anyone know if Win XP has one of these 
two variants or does it have another "command" command?

on startup
  if the platform is "win32" then
     put the shellCommand into tShellCmd
     if matchText(tShellCmd, "command\.com$") then
       put space & "/m" after tShellCmd
       set the shellCommand to tShellCmd
     else if matchText(tShellCmd, "cmd\.exe$") then
       put space & "/MIN" after tShellCmd
       set the shellCommand to tShellCmd
     end if
   end if
end startup

Thanks in advance

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From alrice at arcplanning.com  Thu Feb 20 15:50:01 2003
From: alrice at arcplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Thu Feb 20 15:50:01 2003
Subject: several printing questions
In-Reply-To: <BA7ADE49.119A4%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <5636BCF0-4514-11D7-9B53-000393529642@arcplanning.com>

On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 12:34  PM, Kevin Miller wrote:

> On the Mac too?  What version of Rev?

Yep the printing artifacts with "lock screen" are on both Mac and 
Windows, Rev.1.1.1

> Can you send me a stack off-list.
> We're trying to get a handle on all the outstanding issues at the 
> moment

OK will do.

>> laid out with formatForPrinting off, with editing in mind)
>
> You probably do want to use this option and make the screen match it if
> necessary.

What do you mean " make the screen match it ". The docs say don't set 
formatForPrinting if the stack is going to be edited. Does that mean 
edited in the IDE, or a user typing in  a field?
I can't have a duplicate set of cards for printing, because when it's 
done this app is going to have upwards of a hundred cards, and I can't 
maintain two sets.

> It only takes effect after closing (remove from memory) and reopening 
> the
> stack.
>

I was closing it and reopening.. maybe the remove from memory part is 
what I was missing.

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From runrev at technetx.com  Thu Feb 20 15:56:01 2003
From: runrev at technetx.com (runrev at technetx.com)
Date: Thu Feb 20 15:56:01 2003
Subject: tabs
References: <BA7AF352.1FB0C%valetia@mac.com>
Message-ID: <001501c2d921$e48d2a40$0201a8c0@nh2>

Thanks V.

I just remembered also what I had done...

select line 3 of btn "btnTabs"
send "MouseUp" to btn "btnTabs"

Ron Tan

----- Original Message -----
From: <valetia at mac.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 3:04 AM
Subject: Re: tabs


> Assuming you already have a "mouseUp" function within the tabbed button
that
> takes care of what happens when a tab is clicked on, you could do this:
>
>     set the menuHistory of button "My Tabbed Button" to 3
>     send "mouseUp" to button "My Tabbed Button"
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Valetia
>
>
>
> > From: runrev at technetx.com
> > Organization: Technetx
> > Reply-To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 01:22:41 -0800
> > To: "Run Time Revolution USE" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> > Subject: tabs
> >
> > OK, I'm losing it.  I had this just last week and for the life of me I
can't
> > think of how I did it.  I know it's a simple one liner but please,
somebody
> > jog my memory.
> >
> > Let's say I have 4 tabs in a grouped control.  The text of the tabs from
> > left to right is one, two, three and four.  Now, if I had another button
> > (outside of the tabs), and when clicked, simply sent a mouseup to a
specific
> > tab, what is the code.  Supposing the selected tab is currently one, and
I
> > want it to switch to three without physically clicking tab three...
> >
> > Sorry everybody, total brain dump.
> > Thanks all.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From ASGolub at dkhglaw.com  Thu Feb 20 16:01:01 2003
From: ASGolub at dkhglaw.com (Alan Golub)
Date: Thu Feb 20 16:01:01 2003
Subject: Custom button icons 
Message-ID: <BA7AAC7F.31F%ASGolub@dkhglaw.com>

I've been spinning my wheels for days now trying to figure out how to
install custom icons into my buttons. I have no problem inserting standard
icons from the image library, and I'm able to create a new library, but
that's where I'm stumped. How do I import custom icons into my library for
use in my application buttons? Is this documented anywhere?

Any help would be much appreciated.



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Feb 20 17:09:00 2003
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu Feb 20 17:09:00 2003
Subject: safe shell command
References: <B49BCC8A-4513-11D7-9B53-000393529642@arcplanning.com>
Message-ID: <005001c2d92c$88c1dcf0$6f00a8c0@mckinley.dom>

Alex,

Why do you need to minimize? Can't you just "set the hideConsoleWindows
to true" before you do your shell command?

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Rice" <alrice at arcplanning.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 2:41 PM
Subject: safe shell command


> I have gleaned these tidbits from the list. Can anyone add to this
code
> for making sure the shell command is going to run correctly, minimized
> on all windows variants? Does anyone know if Win XP has one of these
> two variants or does it have another "command" command?
>
> on startup
>   if the platform is "win32" then
>      put the shellCommand into tShellCmd
>      if matchText(tShellCmd, "command\.com$") then
>        put space & "/m" after tShellCmd
>        set the shellCommand to tShellCmd
>      else if matchText(tShellCmd, "cmd\.exe$") then
>        put space & "/MIN" after tShellCmd
>        set the shellCommand to tShellCmd
>      end if
>    end if
> end startup
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Alex Rice, Software Developer
> Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
> alrice at ARCplanning.com
> alrice at swcp.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 20 17:18:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Thu Feb 20 17:18:01 2003
Subject: Combo-box/popup menu in a list field?
In-Reply-To: <BA7B59C3.1FB86%valetia@mac.com>
Message-ID: <20030220221346.35001.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "valetia at mac.com" <valetia at mac.com> wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> How do you create a combo-box/popup menu that
> appears *inside* a scrolling
> list field?
> 
> Specifically one that appears on each line of a
> certain column (the list
> field has vGrid set to true)?
> 
> I know that in all likelihood this is probably not
> possible with Revolution,
> but in that case, what would be the best way to
> implement something that
> achieves the same effect?
> 
> Valetia
> 

Hi Valetia,

I have a stack that emulates a series of checboxes in
a list field. All in all, it shouldn't prove too hard
to change the checkbox to an option-menu button for
your purposes.
So if you're interested, I can send you the stack
off-list (it's only 11KB) -- same goes for everyone
else who wants to have a peek at the source code :-)
Those people can drop me a line off-list.

Best regards,

Jan Schenkel.

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)

__________________________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more
http://taxes.yahoo.com/


From alrice at arcplanning.com  Thu Feb 20 17:44:01 2003
From: alrice at arcplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Thu Feb 20 17:44:01 2003
Subject: safe shell command
In-Reply-To: <005001c2d92c$88c1dcf0$6f00a8c0@mckinley.dom>
Message-ID: <5090F838-4524-11D7-9B53-000393529642@arcplanning.com>

On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 02:37  PM, Ken Ray wrote:

> Alex,
>
> Why do you need to minimize? Can't you just "set the hideConsoleWindows
> to true" before you do your shell command?

I read on the list that hideConsoleWindows does not always work 
correctly on some versions of windows, hence to do that AND minimize.

However, I guess I am more worried about ruining the shell command by 
giving the wrong switch to minimize.

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 20 18:13:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Thu Feb 20 18:13:01 2003
Subject: Combo-box/popup menu in a list field?
In-Reply-To: <20030220221346.35001.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030220230904.87558.qmail@web11907.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Valetia,
> 
> I have a stack that emulates a series of checboxes
> in
> a list field. All in all, it shouldn't prove too
> hard
> to change the checkbox to an option-menu button for
> your purposes.
> So if you're interested, I can send you the stack
> off-list (it's only 11KB) -- same goes for everyone
> else who wants to have a peek at the source code :-)
> Those people can drop me a line off-list.
> 

Okay, I quickly created a GeoCities webpage ; and
here's the link everybody interested can download it
from directly :
http://www.geocities.com/janschenkel/downloads/checkboxlist.zip

Hope this helped some people, I'm off to bed now
*grin*

Jan Schenkel.

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)

__________________________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more
http://taxes.yahoo.com/


From curry at pair.com  Thu Feb 20 19:53:01 2003
From: curry at pair.com (curry)
Date: Thu Feb 20 19:53:01 2003
Subject: eSellerate
In-Reply-To: <200302192123.QAA04300@www.runrev.com>
References: <200302192123.QAA04300@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05111b00ba7b23e82745@[68.86.45.226]>

For eSellerate features to support with Revolution, the ones I would 
find most useful are standard and app-generated serial codes, in-app 
purchasing, the new protection system, the special arrangements with 
portals, and perhaps the affiliate features.

Thanks,

Curry Kenworthy


From Revinfo1155 at aol.com  Thu Feb 20 20:21:01 2003
From: Revinfo1155 at aol.com (Revinfo1155 at aol.com)
Date: Thu Feb 20 20:21:01 2003
Subject: Questions about opening stacks
Message-ID: <bb.2e32c557.2b86d7fd@aol.com>

When I try to open a stack file by clicking on the file itself it doesn't 
open the rev application. Is this normal?

On my Mac sys 10.2.4, often when I try to open a stack thru the rev 
applicatio/file menu -when I locate the file it is dimmed or disabled? Why

As always -thanks for the help
jack
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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Thu Feb 20 20:47:01 2003
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Thu Feb 20 20:47:01 2003
Subject: Questions about opening stacks
In-Reply-To: <bb.2e32c557.2b86d7fd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0302201737460.10097-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Ditto for me..  I whipped together a quick (and regrettably incomplete)
"buttons" stack for my class to look at and due to network problems I had
to get it to them via  ftp'ing to a Yahoo! groups site.  Didn't compress
it (short on time and couldn't find a compressor).

The file d/l w/o its Rev icon; Rev couldn't "see" the file from within the
File -> Open menu option; but double-clicking it when Rev was already open
opened the file just fine.

I'm assuming I'm missing something terribly obvious and important but
can't put my finger on it.  I know we used to have this problem in HC when
the resource fork was in the process of getting stripped and using
DropStuff or DropThing or something like that allowed you to reset the
creator and file type which was positively required to get the to open up
as a stack at all (meaning HC couldn't see it from the File->Open menu
either, nor would double-clicking inside or outside of the authoring
environment do any good).

Judy

On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 Revinfo1155 at aol.com wrote:

> When I try to open a stack file by clicking on the file itself it doesn't
> open the rev application. Is this normal?
>
> On my Mac sys 10.2.4, often when I try to open a stack thru the rev
> applicatio/file menu -when I locate the file it is dimmed or disabled? Why



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Thu Feb 20 20:51:00 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Thu Feb 20 20:51:00 2003
Subject: Rough day on the Revolution front
In-Reply-To: <200302201527.KAA23634@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA7AC5C2.6D98%pixelbird@interisland.net>

**********
> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:08:09 +1000
> Subject: Re: Rough day on the Revolution front
> From: "valetia at mac.com" <valetia at mac.com>

>> Anyone know where that plugin is?
> 
> That would be Chipp's altArchive plugin available at:
> 
> http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/NewPlugins.htm
> 
> Hope this helps.
----------
Many thanks to you and Chip.

Ken N.



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Thu Feb 20 20:54:01 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Thu Feb 20 20:54:01 2003
Subject: Clueless loss
In-Reply-To: <200302201527.KAA23634@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA7AC6A5.6D99%pixelbird@interisland.net>

**********
> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 16:17:53 +0100
> Subject: Re: Clueless loss
> From: "Wolfgang M. Bereuter" <wmb at internettrainer.com>

> Uhr, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:
> 
>> However, can you brief me on how to sort images? I'm not sure what you
>> mean,
>> i.e., moving images around to see which ones are under others, then
>> moving
>> them forward or backward?
> In 1.1.1
> prop palette
> tab basic
> layers: number of the layer
> below: 4 arrows - with them you can move controls up/down (also to the
> first or last)
> hope that helps
> 
> in pre beta its under "size and position"
----------
Thanks much, I'll check it out.

Ken N.



From Revinfo1155 at aol.com  Thu Feb 20 21:40:01 2003
From: Revinfo1155 at aol.com (Revinfo1155 at aol.com)
Date: Thu Feb 20 21:40:01 2003
Subject: Standalone Question
Message-ID: <6c.2a5e44ed.2b86ea6e@aol.com>

I need to create a standalone where cards-data-etc. can be added and changed 
and saved. It seems this can only be done in rev by importing and exporting 
to another file. I've checked out the docs and the example stack. Does anyone 
have a simple stack   I can look at?   Something as simple as a phone number 
standalone on the order of the old Hypercard phone stack.

Jack
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From timothy.hart5 at verizon.net  Thu Feb 20 22:31:01 2003
From: timothy.hart5 at verizon.net (Tim Hart)
Date: Thu Feb 20 22:31:01 2003
Subject: Changing substacks
Message-ID: <2BD90A99-454C-11D7-8B99-0003938DD75E@verizon.net>

Alright, here is what I want to do.  I have substacks and I want to get 
from the substack to a particular card on the mainstack.  What is the 
actual scripting for that?  Thanks.

p.s.  I guess I will say it again...When is 2.0 coming? (just kidding, 
I know it is coming)



From terry at discovery.nl  Thu Feb 20 22:45:01 2003
From: terry at discovery.nl (Terry Vogelaar)
Date: Thu Feb 20 22:45:01 2003
Subject: Changing substacks
In-Reply-To: <2BD90A99-454C-11D7-8B99-0003938DD75E@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4246C842-454E-11D7-B94D-0030656FD666@discovery.nl>

Tim Hart heeft op vrijdag, 21 feb 2003 om 04:25 het volgende geschreven:

> Alright, here is what I want to do.  I have substacks and I want to 
> get from the substack to a particular card on the mainstack.  What is 
> the actual scripting for that?  Thanks.

go to card "particularCardNameOrNumber" of stack "NameOfMainStack"

Terry



From timothy.hart5 at verizon.net  Thu Feb 20 22:48:01 2003
From: timothy.hart5 at verizon.net (Tim Hart)
Date: Thu Feb 20 22:48:01 2003
Subject: Changing substacks
In-Reply-To: <4246C842-454E-11D7-B94D-0030656FD666@discovery.nl>
Message-ID: <AA18441E-454E-11D7-8B99-0003938DD75E@verizon.net>

That is what I thought.  Hmmm.  I must have something screwed up here.  
Thanks though.
On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 10:40 PM, Terry Vogelaar wrote:

> go to card "particularCardNameOrNumber" of stack "NameOfMainStack"
>
> Terry



From herz at ames.ucsd.edu  Thu Feb 20 23:25:01 2003
From: herz at ames.ucsd.edu (Rich Herz)
Date: Thu Feb 20 23:25:01 2003
Subject: safe shell command
Message-ID: <200302210420.UAA14431@ ames>

Alex Rice wrote:

I have gleaned these tidbits from the list. Can anyone add to this code
for making sure the shell command is going to run correctly, minimized
on all windows variants? Does anyone know if Win XP has one of these
two variants or does it have another "command" command?

Alex,

Win XP has both cmd.exe (the default) and command.com. The latter seems to have
different options and/or behavior than command.com on Win 98, which only has
command.com as I can see.  Below is script to run an application "myapp.exe"
that is at a path gMyappPath that may contain spaces in path name.

Setting MC/Rev hideConsoleWindows to true may help, and I do it, but
can't rely on it.  Even with script below I get a minimized console
button appearing in the Win task bar at bottom of screen while
myapp.exe runs, at least on one of the Win platforms (can't remember
now but could check)..

Rich Herz

on runWin32
 
  put gMyappPath into lWinPath
  replace "/" with "\" in lWinPath
 
  # check for existance of the executable
  # name must match name below in two places
  set the directory to gModuleSupportPath
  if there is a file "myapp.exe" then
    # exe file is there
  else
    answer "Can't run! The folder or file is missing or was renamed!"
    exit to metacard
  end if
 
  # different Windows OS have different shell command programs as default
  # on Win 98 command.com is default
  # on Win XP cmd.exe is default
  # on Win XP, command.com options and behavior different than same on Win 98
 
  switch shellCommand
  case "command.com"
    runCommandDotCom
    break
  case "cmd.exe"
    runCmdDotExe
    break
  default
    answer "unknown shellCommand"
    break
  end switch
 
end runWin32

on runCmdDotExe
  # running on Win XP or similar
 
  # can't just use "start" and full path to executable because of possible
spaces in path
  # so have to cd to directory first (doesn't care about spaces in path), then
"start"
  # cannot use two separate get shell lines
  # see "&" below to put two or more command lines in one get shell()
 
  # the command continuation char in cmd.exe is & (don't confuse with MC &)
  put "get shell(" & quote & "cd" && lWinPath & "& start /min /high /wait
myapp.exe" & quote & ")" into todo
 
  do todo
 
  # nothing comes back to MC "it" or the result as with command.com on Win 98
 
end runCmdDotExe


on runCommandDotCom
 
  # running on Win 98 or similar
 
  # because of get MC shell() syntax requiring quotes around entire input
string
  # and because of possible spaces in path and because command.com's cd
  # is sensitive to spaces in path
  # need to write a batch file and do "cd" with quotes around path followed by
  # command in batch file to execute exe file
  # and finally have MC shell() execute the batch file
  # the command continuation character in command.com is | but doesn't
  # help because need quotes around entire "get shell" and around path for "cd"
 
  put "C:\temp_mc.bat" into tBatPath
  put "file:" & tBatPath into tBatUrl
 
  # need literal quote characters around path with spaces for command.com
  put "cd" && quote & lWinPath & quote into temp
  put cr & "myapp.exe" & cr after temp
 
  try
    put temp into url tBatUrl
  catch errornum
    answer "Error: can't write command file to C:\ and so can't run!"
    exit to metacard
  end try
 
  # no priority options or /b as on Win XP cmd.exe, and /m here not /min
  # want /wait option so focus doesn't return to MC until after execution is
done
 
  put "get shell(" & quote & "start /m /wait" && tBatPath & quote & ")" into
todo

  do todo
 
  # command.com, at least on Win98, returns entire console contents to MC "it"
  # and so could check .exe output (Fortran program "STOP") for good run but
  # have to check for existance of full output files for cmd.exe anyway
 
  # clean up
  if there is a file tBatPath then delete file tBatPath
 
end runCommandDotCom


From alrice at arcplanning.com  Thu Feb 20 23:41:01 2003
From: alrice at arcplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Thu Feb 20 23:41:01 2003
Subject: safe shell command
In-Reply-To: <200302210420.UAA14431@ ames>
Message-ID: <201AFABE-4556-11D7-9E4D-000393529642@arcplanning.com>

On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 09:20  PM, Rich Herz wrote:
> Win XP has both cmd.exe (the default) and command.com. The latter 
> seems to have
> different options and/or behavior than command.com on Win 98, which 
> only has
> command.com as I can see.  Below is script to run an application 
> "myapp.exe"
> that is at a path gMyappPath that may contain spaces in path name.
>
> Setting MC/Rev hideConsoleWindows to true may help, and I do it, but
> can't rely on it.  Even with script below I get a minimized console
> button appearing in the Win task bar at bottom of screen while
> myapp.exe runs, at least on one of the Win platforms (can't remember
> now but could check)..

Rich, this looks pretty sophisticated. Couple of questions, if I may;

For what %  of Windows users would you estimate that hideConsoleWindows 
true does actually work?

In my app, I am executing an .exe which is in the same directory as the 
standalone rev app. In that case is it safe for all the "cd" and 
command escaping that you are doing?

Thanks,

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From alrice at arcplanning.com  Fri Feb 21 00:03:01 2003
From: alrice at arcplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Fri Feb 21 00:03:01 2003
Subject: safe shell command
In-Reply-To: <201AFABE-4556-11D7-9E4D-000393529642@arcplanning.com>
Message-ID: <44149777-4559-11D7-9E4D-000393529642@arcplanning.com>

On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 09:37  PM, Alex Rice wrote:

> In that case is it safe for all the "cd" and command escaping that you 
> are doing?

Err, I meant
"In that case is it safe NOT TO DO the "cd" and command escaping that 
you are doing?"

Thanks much,


Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Feb 21 01:11:01 2003
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri Feb 21 01:11:01 2003
Subject: safe shell command
References: <201AFABE-4556-11D7-9E4D-000393529642@arcplanning.com>
Message-ID: <04d301c2d96f$59762f30$6601a8c0@LightningFlash>

> For what %  of Windows users would you estimate that hideConsoleWindows
> true does actually work?

I've used it without fail for years on Win 95 through XP, so if there *are*
situations where it doesn't work, I'd like to know about 'em...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Feb 21 01:35:01 2003
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri Feb 21 01:35:01 2003
Subject: safe shell command
In-Reply-To: <04d301c2d96f$59762f30$6601a8c0@LightningFlash>
Message-ID: <BA7B083A.ADD4%scott@tactilemedia.com>

>> For what %  of Windows users would you estimate that hideConsoleWindows
>> true does actually work?
> 
> I've used it without fail for years on Win 95 through XP, so if there *are*
> situations where it doesn't work, I'd like to know about 'em...

Same goes for myself.  I have had a few minor reports of the "start..."
script (see the archives) failing on some versions of Win98 (ME?), but I've
never had a report of the console window being visible.

BTW, in the MC docs, it states to use "command.exe" for all non-NT versions
of Windows, and "cmd.exe" for the NT/2K/XP versions.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director

Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
Email: scott at tactilemedia.com
Web: www.tactilemedia.com



From valetia at mac.com  Fri Feb 21 01:35:14 2003
From: valetia at mac.com (valetia at mac.com)
Date: Fri Feb 21 01:35:14 2003
Subject: Combo-box/popup menu in a list field?
In-Reply-To: <20030220230904.87558.qmail@web11907.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BA7C04D0.1FC50%valetia@mac.com>

Hi Ken, hi Jan,

> Okay, I quickly created a GeoCities webpage ; and
> here's the link everybody interested can download it
> from directly :
> http://www.geocities.com/janschenkel/downloads/checkboxlist.zip

Thanks, will experiment with these suggestions. :-)

Valetia



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Fri Feb 21 01:35:28 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Fri Feb 21 01:35:28 2003
Subject: Why doesn't a stack open with the UI
In-Reply-To: <200302201701.MAA27556@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA7B08B2.6DA3%pixelbird@interisland.net>

Hi all, 

I don't know where the thread went, but someone asked why a stack won't open
with the UI.

I hadn't really run into that because I don't have a completed stack yet,
but it's true: If you open a stack from a folder, Rev is opened, but there
is no UI and no apparent way to get it.

And on a Mac, if you haven't created a file menu, you cannot quit Rev at
all, because there is no file menu. You have to restart.

This is _very_ strange. I've never seen an app do that before. What's
happening? Is it a bug?

Ken N.



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Fri Feb 21 01:41:01 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Fri Feb 21 01:41:01 2003
Subject: Ken's recent bad day.
In-Reply-To: <200302201701.MAA27556@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA7B09DE.6DA4%pixelbird@interisland.net>

**********
> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 08:38:49 -0800
> From: Rob Cozens <rcozens at pon.net>
> Subject: Ken's recent bad day.

> I have not reported this because (a) I am waiting to see whether it
> is fixed in v2.5 and (b) I can work around the problem by making a
> card the current card before trying to access its controls via the AO.
----------
At least I'm not alone with some anamolies.

Version 2.5? You mean 2.0 right? Rev hasn't said anything about a version
2.5 AFAIK.
----------
> And "Quit" from any RunRev menu I've tried here is perceptually instantaneous.
----------
Well, might have to do with VM.

Ken N.



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Feb 21 01:48:01 2003
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri Feb 21 01:48:01 2003
Subject: Why doesn't a stack open with the UI
In-Reply-To: <BA7B08B2.6DA3%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <BA7B0B68.ADD9%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:

> I don't know where the thread went, but someone asked why a stack won't open
> with the UI.
> 
> I hadn't really run into that because I don't have a completed stack yet,
> but it's true: If you open a stack from a folder, Rev is opened, but there
> is no UI and no apparent way to get it.
> 
> And on a Mac, if you haven't created a file menu, you cannot quit Rev at
> all, because there is no file menu. You have to restart.
> 
> This is _very_ strange. I've never seen an app do that before. What's
> happening? Is it a bug?

It sounds like you're running your stack under the Rev engine only (not the
development environment).  In MetaCard, it is standard behavior that double
clicking a stack will launch the stack without the dev environment -- Rev
may work similarly.

Also, to close a "work in progress" stack that has no UI, simply click the
closebox on the window -- this will quit the app.  If the window has no
closebox, you can force-quit the MC/Rev app, without having to restart.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director

Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
Email: scott at tactilemedia.com
Web: www.tactilemedia.com



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Fri Feb 21 02:35:01 2003
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Fri Feb 21 02:35:01 2003
Subject: pathway
Message-ID: <p05210200ba7b8492c7d2@[10.0.1.6]>

Hi,

I experimented something strange :

on Mac OS jaguar X.2.4 with Rev 1.1.1

I have a list fld
each line gives a name of a textfile


when I click on a line, the script build a pathway to the file to 
open it (it's a text file)

sometimes I works well, sometimes I get an error "the file doesn't exist"
Each text file is in a folder
So I find now that when the name of the folder is too long (I mean 
the length or the  number of chars of the name of the folder), it 
doesn't run
Does it means that rev cannot handle long name file ???
It's very big problem for me because this stack is build to retrieve 
textfiles and I may not change the name of the folder in which the 
textfile is nested.

any idea ????

thank you.
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Feb 21 03:13:02 2003
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri Feb 21 03:13:02 2003
Subject: Rough day on the Revolution front
In-Reply-To: <BA7AC5C2.6D98%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <ACEELABEAIANJNCEJFMAOEDADGAA.chipp@chipp.com>

Hey Guys,

My AltArchive plugin does not auto save every XX minutes. It's used to
create incremental backups. The SmartSave plugin from Frederic Rinaldi is:

"A plugin stack which brings you an elegant autosave feature for stacks and
their substacks on choosen time interval."

It can be found at:

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/frederic.rinaldi/

best,

Chipp

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Ken Norris
> (dialup)
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 7:50 PM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: Rough day on the Revolution front
>
>
> **********
> > Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 21:08:09 +1000
> > Subject: Re: Rough day on the Revolution front
> > From: "valetia at mac.com" <valetia at mac.com>
>
> >> Anyone know where that plugin is?
> >
> > That would be Chipp's altArchive plugin available at:
> >
> > http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/NewPlugins.htm
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> ----------
> Many thanks to you and Chip.
>
> Ken N.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From malte.brill at t-online.de  Fri Feb 21 04:14:01 2003
From: malte.brill at t-online.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Fri Feb 21 04:14:01 2003
Subject: use-revolution digest, Vol 1 #1140 - 4 msgs
In-Reply-To: <200302201701.MAA27610@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA7BAB8A.3E3%malte.brill@t-online.de>

Hi Ken,

> And on a Mac, if you haven't created a file menu, you cannot quit Rev at
> all, because there is no file menu. You have to restart.

>>Also, to close a "work in progress" stack that has no UI, simply click the
>>closebox on the window -- this will quit the app.  If the window has no
>>closebox, you can force-quit the MC/Rev app, without having to restart.

If you are working on Os9 and your stack has no close-box you might hit

ctrl+alt+apple+esc to force quitting.

Regards,

Malte



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Fri Feb 21 04:23:00 2003
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Fri Feb 21 04:23:00 2003
Subject: use-revolution digest, Vol 1 #1140 - 4 msgs
In-Reply-To: <BA7BAB8A.3E3%malte.brill@t-online.de>
References: <BA7BAB8A.3E3%malte.brill@t-online.de>
Message-ID: <p05210200ba7b9f7414d8@[10.0.1.6]>

>Hi Ken,
>
>>  And on a Mac, if you haven't created a file menu, you cannot quit Rev at
>>  all, because there is no file menu. You have to restart.
>
>>>Also, to close a "work in progress" stack that has no UI, simply click the
>>>closebox on the window -- this will quit the app.  If the window has no
>>>closebox, you can force-quit the MC/Rev app, without having to restart.
>
>If you are working on Os9 and your stack has no close-box you might hit
>
>ctrl+alt+apple+esc to force quitting.
>


And on Mac OS X :
alt+apple+esc

Cheers
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk  Fri Feb 21 04:54:00 2003
From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel)
Date: Fri Feb 21 04:54:00 2003
Subject: Screen real estate
Message-ID: <p05100300ba7b8de7c160@[62.30.170.9]>

Dear List

I have an app which needs to fill the available space in one of three 
screen sizes (VGA, SVGA, 1024 x 768). I have a kind of home-built 
Geometry Manager to do this, which works pretty well - but I don't 
want my window to bump into the pre-existing standard screen real 
estate. Examples are: menu bar and possibly Control Strip on Mac, 
Menu Bar and Dock (if permanently visible) on OSX, the thing at the 
bottom of the screen resembling the dock in Windows - sorry, forgot 
its real name. These various items use up different amounts of the 
screen, and in some cases can be there or not there or perhaps be 
relocated for example from the bottom of the screen to the side.

So my question is, is there any way to check what other windows are 
occupying what space on the screen at launch time for my app? If 
there is a solution, is it general or do I have to make it 
platform-specific?

TIA

Graham
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------
          Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France


From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Fri Feb 21 06:39:01 2003
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Fri Feb 21 06:39:01 2003
Subject: Combo-box/popup menu in a list field?
In-Reply-To: <BA7B59C3.1FB86%valetia@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BA7BBEE9.5FFA%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

on 20/2/03 6:21 pm, valetia at mac.com wrote

> How do you create a combo-box/popup menu that appears *inside* a scrolling
> list field?
> 
> Specifically one that appears on each line of a certain column (the list
> field has vGrid set to true)?

Depending just what you want - most probably Ken's suggestion is best
(instead of a scrolling field, use a scrolling group, with multiple popup
menu buttons, one for each line).  But it's possible that your requirement
is more like the one I had recently; I wanted the same menu to appear on
each line, but only when the user clicks.

For this you have a hidden popup menu button somewhere on the card, and use
the 'popup' command to make it appear in the right place when the user
clicks.

Even if you want the appearance of the menu control (something with a little
triangle on it, for example) to appear on every line, it might be easiest to
use an image for that, which can be part of the 'text' of the scrolling
field, and then have a single menu which you popup on command, rather than
having to clone the menu button for each line.

Note that, AFAIK, there's no way for the handler which issues the 'popup'
command to get the results of the popup, without cooperation from the menu
button.  IE if you have to script the menu button (in a 'menupick' handler)
to either know what it should do, or send the message on to the field or
wherever else you're handling things.

Jeanne - I think this is an area which could be better covered in the docs,
specifically the entry in the transcript dictionary for the 'popup' command.
It explains how to popup either a button menu or stack - but doesn't tell
you where the result of the user's selection ends up.  I had to hunt around
to figure out the answer in each case (and of course the answer is different
for button menus and stack menus).  (One of the recipes in the new cookbook
mentions the answer for the button case.)

Scott, if you're reading - it would be a tremendous shortcut if there was a
mode of the 'popup' command that made it behave like the 'modal' command -
so a handler (somewhere) could issue a 'popup' command and in the following
statement test the result to find out what the user selected.
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866




From valetia at mac.com  Fri Feb 21 07:36:01 2003
From: valetia at mac.com (valetia at mac.com)
Date: Fri Feb 21 07:36:01 2003
Subject: Combo-box/popup menu in a list field?
In-Reply-To: <BA7BBEE9.5FFA%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <BA7C5982.1FC99%valetia@mac.com>

Hi Ben,

Your method sounds exactly like what I had actually tried to accomplish
(display a popup at a specific location per line).

However, I did run into a problem (still unsolved) that perhaps you know the
answer to.

It's also why I had posted an earlier message (to which there have not been
any replies) regarding the strange behavior of clickChunk with list fields.

Here's what I had posted in that earlier message:

"When the listBehavior of a field is set to true, it seems the clickChunk
returns the hilitedLine instead...(could this be a bug?)

"How do you get the "actual" clickChunk then?"

So a related question would be, with the method you just described, do you
use the clickChunk to determine the location of the click, or something
else?

> Note that, AFAIK, there's no way for the handler which issues the 'popup'
> command to get the results of the popup, without cooperation from the menu
> button.  IE if you have to script the menu button (in a 'menupick' handler)
> to either know what it should do, or send the message on to the field or
> wherever else you're handling things.

Right. Now...how then should I get the popup button to know which line I'm
activating the popup from?

Valetia



From Doug_Ivers at lord.com  Fri Feb 21 07:40:01 2003
From: Doug_Ivers at lord.com (Ivers, Doug E)
Date: Fri Feb 21 07:40:01 2003
Subject: auto size of a group
Message-ID: <E08533A454364A4C8B395EA007D1F42318EC36@ntsrvcrd04.main.lord.com>

It seems like there should be an option for groups that says, "my size is the minimum rectangle that contains my visible members" (as opposed to a fixed size).  The current behavior is counter-intuitive for me, but I've adapted to it.  It would be nice to have the option.


-- D



From Doug_Ivers at lord.com  Fri Feb 21 07:59:01 2003
From: Doug_Ivers at lord.com (Ivers, Doug E)
Date: Fri Feb 21 07:59:01 2003
Subject: Size of build and minimization thereof
Message-ID: <E08533A454364A4C8B395EA007D1F423097756@ntsrvcrd04.main.lord.com>

As files on the hard drive, the audio clip is 12k, the jpeg is 72k.


-- D



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Rossi [mailto:scott at tactilemedia.com]
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 10:44 AM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: Size of build and minimization thereof
> 
> 
> Recently, Ivers, Doug E wrote:
> 
> > I'm surprised that my stack unbuilt is 920kb -- what can I 
> do to dramatically
> > reduce that?  I only have one jpeg image and one audio 
> file, no other
> > resources.
> 
> How much space do your raw files (JPEG and audio file) occupy on the
> desktop?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> 
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
> Email: scott at tactilemedia.com
> Web: www.tactilemedia.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 


From Doug_Ivers at lord.com  Fri Feb 21 09:14:01 2003
From: Doug_Ivers at lord.com (Ivers, Doug E)
Date: Fri Feb 21 09:14:01 2003
Subject: newbies:  beware script locals
Message-ID: <E08533A454364A4C8B395EA007D1F423097757@ntsrvcrd04.main.lord.com>

Maybe everyone already knows this, but script locals can cause major frustration when debugging...

I love script locals, those local declarations at the top of your script outside of all handlers:

local myLocalVariable

on openStack
  put 7 into myLocalVariable
  ...
end openStack

on mouseUp
...
end mouseUp

I use them a lot in my top level script.  They are great because I don't have to declare them in each handler and they are "safer" than globals, if you know what I mean.

The caution is that whenever you edit the script, the value of the local goes away.


-- D



From kkaufman at snet.net  Fri Feb 21 09:49:01 2003
From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman)
Date: Fri Feb 21 09:49:01 2003
Subject: Rough day on the Revolution front
Message-ID: <085D86DC-45AB-11D7-868C-0003936D1F12@snet.net>

It bears occasional repetition since I had so many problems (bad saves, 
sudden quits, hangs) with RR until I realized where the fault lay:  
Revolution 1.1 does not like long stack file names (on Mac OS X anyway, 
and perhaps also on Mac OS 9).  Try to keep the names of stacks to less 
than 24 characters long (the number is arbitrary; I don't know where 
you start to have problems, but I assume maybe around 30-34 chars.)

HTH,
Kurt



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Feb 21 09:50:01 2003
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri Feb 21 09:50:01 2003
Subject: Ken's recent bad day.
References: <BA7B09DE.6DA4%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <002701c2d9b7$edae9780$6601a8c0@LightningFlash>

> > I have not reported this because (a) I am waiting to see whether it
> > is fixed in v2.5 and (b) I can work around the problem by making a
> > card the current card before trying to access its controls via the AO.
> ----------
> At least I'm not alone with some anamolies.
>
> Version 2.5? You mean 2.0 right? Rev hasn't said anything about a version
> 2.5 AFAIK.

I believe Rob was talking about the MetaCard engine under Rev 2.0 (which is
MetaCard 2.5).

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/



From rcozens at pon.net  Fri Feb 21 10:49:01 2003
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Fri Feb 21 10:49:01 2003
Subject: Ken's recent bad day.
In-Reply-To: <002701c2d9b7$edae9780$6601a8c0@LightningFlash>
References: <BA7B09DE.6DA4%pixelbird@interisland.net>
 <002701c2d9b7$edae9780$6601a8c0@LightningFlash>
Message-ID: <a05100300ba7bf43547fb@[216.229.107.82]>

>I believe Rob was talking about the MetaCard engine under Rev 2.0 (which is
>MetaCard 2.5).

Ken, et al:

Did I dream up Kevins' message here or on the improve-rev list a 
couple of months ago saying the next release would be 2.5 instead of 
2.0?  I saw (but didn't read) a thread about the cost to update from 
2.0 to 2.5 within the last few weeks.  Was that about something else?
-- 
Rob Cozens
<http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm>

Vive R Revolution!


From rcozens at pon.net  Fri Feb 21 12:29:00 2003
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Fri Feb 21 12:29:00 2003
Subject: ClickCalendar Update 20030221
Message-ID: <a05100300ba7c0fc2c113@[216.229.107.238]>

Hi All,

ClickCalendar Update 20030221 is now available at 
http://www.oenolog.com/ftp/serendipity_downloader.htm 
[ClickCalendar.rev.sgz]

The preOpenBackground handler for the ClickCalendar group in the last 
update included a reference to a field ("Documentation") that is not 
part of the group.  You an eliminate the problem by commenting out 
line one of the group's preOpenBackground handler or downloading & 
decompressing the new update.

Note: bundled files have NOT been updated.

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)


From alrice at arcplanning.com  Fri Feb 21 12:55:01 2003
From: alrice at arcplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Fri Feb 21 12:55:01 2003
Subject: safe shell command
In-Reply-To: <f05200f00ba7b70f7246f@[64.203.4.93]>
Message-ID: <12412B4B-45C5-11D7-8B32-000393529642@arcplanning.com>

On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 11:18  PM, Richard K. Herz wrote:

> My understanding is that you need to get the path to the directory 
> where your exe is, e.g., from parsing "get the long name of this 
> stack", and then have the shell "cd" to that directory before running 
> the exe.  This is what the script I sent does.  The path to the 
> directory the exe is in gMyappPath originally.

I'm probably missing something, but I don't think that is necessary. 
shell() runs from the defaultFolder, and the only time the 
defaultFolder is not equal to the path of the main stack, is when you 
running in development platform, and in that case you can just fix up 
the defaultFolder property. So you don't need to cd to a path to 
execute a shell command, unless the command is actually located in an 
entirely different directory.

I just tested this on Windows2K Pro and it works as I described. Maybe 
it doesn't work on all versions of windows?

The reason I want to avoid doing it that way (cd-ing) is that I don't 
know enough about windows to  trust the Windows shell interpreter to 
use the same exact pathnames & volume names as Runrev is using with the 
long name of the stack. On Mac OS X, Revolution and Javascript 
represent volume names differently sometimes, (always?) and so it makes 
it a really tricky problem to tell javascript to cd before executing a 
shell() command. (all of which hopefully will go away when Rev gets a 
real shell() on OS X) However, I am just afraid there could be 
something similar going on in windows. Probably just being paranoid. 
But at the very least you are executing an extra command, no?

[cc: ing to the list to see if my understanding is correct.]

Thanks again,

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From alrice at arcplanning.com  Fri Feb 21 13:11:01 2003
From: alrice at arcplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Fri Feb 21 13:11:01 2003
Subject: auto size of a group
In-Reply-To: <E08533A454364A4C8B395EA007D1F42318EC36@ntsrvcrd04.main.lord.com>
Message-ID: <595002F4-45C7-11D7-8B32-000393529642@arcplanning.com>

On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 05:36  AM, Ivers, Doug E wrote:

> It seems like there should be an option for groups that says, "my size 
> is the minimum rectangle that contains my visible members" (as opposed 
> to a fixed size).  The current behavior is counter-intuitive for me, 
> but I've adapted to it.  It would be nice to have the option.

You can actually do that scripting pretty easily. See formattedHeight 
and formattedWidth

set the htmlText of fld "summaryReportItems" \
	to tSummaryItemsHtml
set the height of fld "summaryReportItems" \
	to the formattedHeight of fld "summaryReportItems"

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From pixelbird at interisland.net  Fri Feb 21 13:24:00 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Fri Feb 21 13:24:00 2003
Subject: Why doesn't a stack open with the UI
In-Reply-To: <200302210815.DAA13633@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA7BAED3.6DB1%pixelbird@interisland.net>

**********
> Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 22:47:04 -0800
> Subject: Re: Why doesn't a stack open with the UI
> From: Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com>

> It sounds like you're running your stack under the Rev engine only (not the
> development environment).  In MetaCard, it is standard behavior that double
> clicking a stack will launch the stack without the dev environment -- Rev
> may work similarly.
----------
That's right. Why is it like that? If I open a stack out of a folder which
is _not_ a standalone, the UI does not open with it. Even if I close , or
even if I leave it open and click on the Rev app in Rev's own folder, the UI
refuses to open. 

IMHO, if a stack is not a standalone, then it should open with the UI, or at
least have it available, and also, you should be able to quit Rev, but you
can't.
---------- 
> Also, to close a "work in progress" stack that has no UI, simply click the
> closebox on the window -- this will quit the app.
----------
No. Not true. Clicking the close box only hides it, it does not quit Rev.
Look in the Application Menu in the upper right corner, and you will see Rev
is still there, loaded into memory, but just hidden. At least that's how it
is here, honest.
----------  
> If the window has no
> closebox, you can force-quit the MC/Rev app, without having to restart
----------
How is that (could be a procedure I don't know about)?

Thanks for your patience...I'm a little frustrated with Rev right now.

Ken N.



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Fri Feb 21 13:31:01 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Fri Feb 21 13:31:01 2003
Subject: Backup tools (was 'Rough day on the Revolution front')
In-Reply-To: <200302210815.DAA13633@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA7BB06F.6DB2%pixelbird@interisland.net>

**********
> From: "Chipp Walters" <chipp at chipp.com>
> Subject: RE: Rough day on the Revolution front
> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 02:09:05 -0600
snip 
> My AltArchive plugin does not auto save every XX minutes. It's used to
> create incremental backups. The SmartSave plugin from Frederic Rinaldi is:
> 
> "A plugin stack which brings you an elegant autosave feature for stacks and
> their substacks on choosen time interval."
> 
> It can be found at:
> 
> http://perso.wanadoo.fr/frederic.rinaldi/
----------
Thanks for clearing that up. So how, exactly does yours do it. i.e., what
constitutes an "increment"?

Ken N.



From miscdas at boxfrog.com  Fri Feb 21 13:40:01 2003
From: miscdas at boxfrog.com (miscdas at boxfrog.com)
Date: Fri Feb 21 13:40:01 2003
Subject: auto size of a group
In-Reply-To: <E08533A454364A4C8B395EA007D1F42318EC36@ntsrvcrd04.main.lord.com> 
References: <E08533A454364A4C8B395EA007D1F42318EC36@ntsrvcrd04.main.lord.com>
Message-ID: <20030221183843.99686.qmail@www.boxfrog.com>

Ivers, Doug E writes: 

> It seems like there should be an option for groups that says, "my size is the minimum rectangle that contains my visible members" (as opposed to a fixed size).  The current behavior is counter-intuitive for me, but I've adapted to it.  It would be nice to have the option. 
> 
> -- D
================
Mr. Ivers, 

Could you please elaborate on this lack of auto size feature for groups in 
Rev? In MC 2.4.3 on WIN XP pro, my groups automatically resize when I change 
the visible property of controls in the group. For example, if I have three 
fields in a group stacked vertically, and each field is of a different 
width, then when I set the visible of the highest field to false, the height 
of my group automatically drops to enclose the remaining two visible fields 
(plus, of course, a few pixels around that defines the group area). 
Similarly, if I set the visible of the widest field to false, then the width 
of group automatically reduces to a width sufficient to display the widest 
visible field. Likewise, when I set the visible of these fields back to 
true, the group auto resizes to a larger size and displays all of the 
visible controls. 

miscdas 



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Feb 21 13:57:02 2003
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri Feb 21 13:57:02 2003
Subject: Size of build and minimization thereof
In-Reply-To: <E08533A454364A4C8B395EA007D1F423097756@ntsrvcrd04.main.lord.com>
Message-ID: <BA7BB597.639E%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, "Ivers, Doug E"  wrote:

>> How much space do your raw files (JPEG and audio file) occupy on the
>> desktop?

> As files on the hard drive, the audio clip is 12k, the jpeg is 72k.

Then there's probably something odd going on.  Try creating a new empty
stack and importing your media.  See if the fresh stack size is any
different than your original.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Fri Feb 21 14:01:01 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Fri Feb 21 14:01:01 2003
Subject: Rough day on the Revolution front
In-Reply-To: <200302211704.MAA23721@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA7BB76A.6DB3%pixelbird@interisland.net>

**********
> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:44:51 -0500
> Subject: Rough day on the Revolution front
> From: Kurt Kaufman <kkaufman at snet.net>

> It bears occasional repetition since I had so many problems (bad saves,
> sudden quits, hangs) with RR until I realized where the fault lay:
> Revolution 1.1 does not like long stack file names (on Mac OS X anyway,
> and perhaps also on Mac OS 9).  Try to keep the names of stacks to less
> than 24 characters long (the number is arbitrary; I don't know where
> you start to have problems, but I assume maybe around 30-34 chars.)
----------
Thanks Kurt,

Long names are not a factor in this case, but thanks for the tip, it's good
to know.

Ken N.



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Fri Feb 21 14:07:02 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Fri Feb 21 14:07:02 2003
Subject: RR/MC version mixup (was'Re: Ken's recent bad day.')
In-Reply-To: <200302211704.MAA23721@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA7BB8CC.6DB4%pixelbird@interisland.net>

**********
> From: "Ken Ray" <kray at sonsothunder.com>
> Subject: Re: Ken's recent bad day.
> Date:  Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:45:45 -0600

>>> I have not reported this because (a) I am waiting to see whether it
>>> is fixed in v2.5 and (b) I can work around the problem by making a
>>> card the current card before trying to access its controls via the AO.
>> ----------
>> At least I'm not alone with some anamolies.
>> 
>> Version 2.5? You mean 2.0 right? Rev hasn't said anything about a version
>> 2.5 AFAIK.
> 
> I believe Rob was talking about the MetaCard engine under Rev 2.0 (which is
> MetaCard 2.5).
----------
Oh. OK. MC wasn't mentioned so I didn't think (sorry Rob). Thanks for the
heads-up. Now I know if something like that happens, the poster may be
referring to the MC engine.

Ken N.



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Fri Feb 21 14:22:00 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Fri Feb 21 14:22:00 2003
Subject: RR/MC mixup (was 'Ken's recent bad day')
In-Reply-To: <200302211704.MAA23721@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA7BBC5D.6DB5%pixelbird@interisland.net>

**********
> From: "Ken Ray" <kray at sonsothunder.com>
> Subject: Re: Ken's recent bad day.
> Date:  Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:45:45 -0600

> 
>>> I have not reported this because (a) I am waiting to see whether it
>>> is fixed in v2.5 and (b) I can work around the problem by making a
>>> card the current card before trying to access its controls via the AO.
>> ----------
>> At least I'm not alone with some anamolies.
>> 
>> Version 2.5? You mean 2.0 right? Rev hasn't said anything about a version
>> 2.5 AFAIK.
> 
> I believe Rob was talking about the MetaCard engine under Rev 2.0 (which is
> MetaCard 2.5).
----------
I seem to remember a similar mixup back then as well.

Can we get a definitive list of which RR versions use which MC engines?

Ken N.



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Feb 21 14:26:01 2003
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri Feb 21 14:26:01 2003
Subject: Why doesn't a stack open with the UI
In-Reply-To: <BA7BAED3.6DB1%pixelbird@interisland.net>
References: <BA7BAED3.6DB1%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <3E5676B1.1080500@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/21/03 12:24 PM, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:

> That's right. Why is it like that? If I open a stack out of a folder which
> is _not_ a standalone, the UI does not open with it. Even if I close , or
> even if I leave it open and click on the Rev app in Rev's own folder, the UI
> refuses to open. 
> 
> IMHO, if a stack is not a standalone, then it should open with the UI, or at
> least have it available, and also, you should be able to quit Rev, but you
> can't.

The behavior is intentional and useful. To see how your stack will run 
without the development environment, you can double-click it in the 
Finder and it will run exactly as it would if you had compiled it as an 
app. This is very useful, and is still the only way to preview a stack 
application in MetaCard. Revolution added the "Suspend Development UI" 
option to its menus to accomplish the same thing. Since the behvior is 
directly coded into the engine, it is unlikely to change and can't be 
avoided -- and a discussion on the MC list a while back indicated that 
most people don't want it to. However, as a response to that discussion, 
MetaCard added an option where Command-clicking a stack in the Finder 
will open the stack with the development environment loaded, which 
allows you to choose how it will open.

The default behavior of the engine is to quit when the last window is 
closed. If you are still seeing Revolution in your application menu 
after closing the last visible window, then you probably have an 
invisible stack open somewhere. If you plan to open your stack from the 
Finder often, then it might be a good idea to insert a handler into the 
visible stack that closes all other stacks at the same time the visible 
one closes. Then Rev will quit.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 21 15:02:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Fri Feb 21 15:02:01 2003
Subject: Combo-box/popup menu in a list field?
In-Reply-To: <BA7C04D0.1FC50%valetia@mac.com>
Message-ID: <20030221195822.16688.qmail@web11904.mail.yahoo.com>

> Okay, I quickly created a GeoCities webpage ; and
> here's the link everybody interested can download
> it directly from :
>
>
http://www.geocities.com/janschenkel/downloads/checkboxlist.zip

I just uploaded a new version, which should fix a few
issues I bumped into when I wanted to review it on my
PowerBook. It should also be a bit easier to use.

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

=====
"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La Rochefoucauld)

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From herz at ucsd.edu  Fri Feb 21 15:06:01 2003
From: herz at ucsd.edu (Richard K. Herz)
Date: Fri Feb 21 15:06:01 2003
Subject: safe shell command
References: <12412B4B-45C5-11D7-8B32-000393529642@arcplanning.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c2d9e4$1832f9c0$58bfef84@rkhpc1>

On Friday, February 21, 2003 9:51 AM, Alex Rice wrote:

> On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 11:18  PM, Richard K. Herz wrote:
>
> > My understanding is that you need to get the path to the directory
> > where your exe is, e.g., from parsing "get the long name of this
> > stack", and then have the shell "cd" to that directory before running
> > the exe.  This is what the script I sent does.  The path to the
> > directory the exe is in gMyappPath originally.
>
> I'm probably missing something, but I don't think that is necessary.
> shell() runs from the defaultFolder, and the only time the
> defaultFolder is not equal to the path of the main stack, is when you
> running in development platform, and in that case you can just fix up
> the defaultFolder property. So you don't need to cd to a path to
> execute a shell command, unless the command is actually located in an
> entirely different directory.

Testing now with MC on Win XP, it does look like the cmd.exe shell's default
directory is the same as Rev/MC (engine's location or by setting "the
directory").  For example, start Rev/MC and from the msg box, answer
shell("dir") lists the contents of the directory where the Rev/MC engine is
located and answer shell("dir ..\") lists the directory above.  So you're
right, you don't have to shell cd with the complete path to the exe to
"start" the exe as I did in my original script, just "start" it with a
relative name, e.g., get shell("start \appfolder\app.exe") for an exe in
folder "appfolder" below the current Rev/MC default directory.  If I'm
understanding you right, a shell cd with the full pathname has problems of
potential path differences between Rev/MC and Windows.

Rich Herz
herz at ucsd.edu




From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Fri Feb 21 15:15:00 2003
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Fri Feb 21 15:15:00 2003
Subject: pathway
Message-ID: <p05210200ba7c382c4844@[10.0.1.6]>

Hi

without answer, I ask my question again :


Hi,

I experimented something strange :

on Mac OS jaguar X.2.4 with Rev 1.1.1

I have a list fld
each line gives a name of a textfile


when I click on a line, the script build a pathway to the file to 
open it (it's a text file)

sometimes I works well, sometimes I get an error "the file doesn't exist"
Each text file is in a folder
So I find now that when the name of the folder is too long (I mean 
the length or the  number of chars of the name of the folder), it 
doesn't run
Does it means that rev cannot handle long name file ???
It's very big problem for me because this stack is build to retrieve 
textfiles and I may not change the name of the folder in which the 
textfile is nested.

any idea ????
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Fri Feb 21 15:16:01 2003
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Fri Feb 21 15:16:01 2003
Subject: Getting a chunk of stylized text?
In-Reply-To: <200302211704.MAA23746@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA7BCB6D.2965%dan@clearvisiontech.com>

Fellow Revolutionaries,

Let's say field A contains more text than can fit in it.  The text in field
A contains multiple fonts, styles and sizes.  How can I get the stylized
text that is not being displayed? (and remove it from field A and put it
into field B)

I tried messing with the formattedHeight and formattedLines functions, but I
can't seem to get it to find the correct text.  What I think I need to do,
some how, is get the formattedTop of a line of the formattedText.  But you
can't do that.

Any thoughts?

Thank you in advance,
Dan



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Fri Feb 21 15:39:01 2003
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Fri Feb 21 15:39:01 2003
Subject: use-revolution digest, Vol 1 #1140 - 4 msgs
In-Reply-To: <p05210200ba7b9f7414d8@[10.0.1.6]>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0302211233590.1350-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

or, launch terminal and type:

ps -aurx|head

This brings up all your current processes. Look for the one associated
with Rev, note its PID and then type

kill -9 [PID]  <-- where PID is the number itself; no brackets.

Judy  -- who's obviously had to do this on occasion.

On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, yves COPPE wrote:

> And on Mac OS X :
> alt+apple+esc



From alrice at arcplanning.com  Fri Feb 21 15:54:01 2003
From: alrice at arcplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Fri Feb 21 15:54:01 2003
Subject: safe shell command
In-Reply-To: <001e01c2d9e4$1832f9c0$58bfef84@rkhpc1>
Message-ID: <F590F2E2-45DD-11D7-8B32-000393529642@arcplanning.com>

On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 01:02  PM, Richard K. Herz wrote:
>  If I'm understanding you right, a shell cd with the full pathname has 
> problems of
> potential path differences between Rev/MC and Windows.
>
I'm not sure about that. Just being paranoid :-) I encountered that 
problem on OS X with Rev <-> Javascript <-> shell commands.

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From pixelbird at interisland.net  Fri Feb 21 16:04:01 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Fri Feb 21 16:04:01 2003
Subject: Why doesn't a stack open with the UI
In-Reply-To: <200302212018.PAA31264@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA7BD453.6DC2%pixelbird@interisland.net>

**********
> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 12:57:53 -0600
> From: "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> Subject: Re: Why doesn't a stack open with the UI

> Command-clicking a stack in the Finder
> will open the stack with the development environment loaded, which
> allows you to choose how it will open.
----------
I thought I tried that. Maybe it's exclusive to MC? I'll check a gain.
----------
> The default behavior of the engine is to quit when the last window is
> closed. If you are still seeing Revolution in your application menu
> after closing the last visible window, then you probably have an
> invisible stack open somewhere.
----------
I don't see how that can be so. I restarted the computer and went to the
stack, opened it (without the UI) and it still wouldn't quit. How could
there be another stack open if I restarted?
----------
> If you plan to open your stack from the
> Finder often, then it might be a good idea to insert a handler into the
> visible stack that closes all other stacks at the same time the visible
> one closes. Then Rev will quit.
----------
OK. Thanks.

Ken N.



From depstein at att.net  Fri Feb 21 16:16:01 2003
From: depstein at att.net (depstein at att.net)
Date: Fri Feb 21 16:16:01 2003
Subject: Getting a chunk of stylized text?
Message-ID: <200302212115.QAA01201@www.runrev.com>

There are probably faster ways to do this, but try this:

function extraText f 
  -- returns the htmlText that overflows size of fld f
  -- and deletes it from field f
  repeat with c = 1 to length(fld f)
    if the formattedHeight of char 1 to c of fld f > the height of fld f then
      put the htmlText of char c to -1 of fld f into myHtml
      delete char c to -1 of fld f
      return myHtml
    end if
  end repeat
  return empty
end extraText

David Epstein
>  Getting a chunk of stylized text?
> From: Dan Friedman <dan at clearvisiontech.com>
...
> Let's say field A contains more text than can fit in it.  The text in field

> A contains multiple fonts, styles and sizes.  How can I get the stylized
> text that is not being displayed? (and remove it from field A and put it
> into field B)


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Feb 21 16:41:01 2003
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri Feb 21 16:41:01 2003
Subject: safe shell command
References: <F590F2E2-45DD-11D7-8B32-000393529642@arcplanning.com>
Message-ID: <003901c2d9f1$9c365f70$6f00a8c0@mckinley.dom>

Here's the full scoop:

1) The default path starts in the Rev directory (or wherever the MC
interpreter is running ). Let's say "C:\Program Files\Revolution\".

2) If you want to launch something in that directory, you just need to
provide the relative path (as Richard mentioned).

3) If you want to launch something in another directory, but *on the
same drive*, you can "cd" to the directory and use "start" on the item
in the directory, concatenated with a "&", as in:

  cd c:\program files\microsoft office\office10 & start winword.exe

4) If you want to launch something *on another drive*, you have to do it
in three stages: "cd" to the drive itself (optionally including the
drive letter), then "cd" to the directory, then "start" the file, as in:

  cd i:\ & cd i:\mystuff\launchfiles & start MyApp.exe

Just trying this:

  cd i:\mystuff\launchfiles & start MyApp.exe

when you're on the "C:" drive just won't work.

Hope this clears things up,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


----- Original Message -----
From: "Alex Rice" <alrice at arcplanning.com>
To: "Richard K. Herz" <herz at ucsd.edu>
Cc: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: safe shell command


>
> On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 01:02  PM, Richard K. Herz wrote:
> >  If I'm understanding you right, a shell cd with the full pathname
has
> > problems of
> > potential path differences between Rev/MC and Windows.
> >
> I'm not sure about that. Just being paranoid :-) I encountered that
> problem on OS X with Rev <-> Javascript <-> shell commands.
>
> Alex Rice, Software Developer
> Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
> alrice at ARCplanning.com
> alrice at swcp.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From miscdas at boxfrog.com  Fri Feb 21 17:20:01 2003
From: miscdas at boxfrog.com (miscdas at boxfrog.com)
Date: Fri Feb 21 17:20:01 2003
Subject: safe shell command
In-Reply-To: <001e01c2d9e4$1832f9c0$58bfef84@rkhpc1> 
References: <12412B4B-45C5-11D7-8B32-000393529642@arcplanning.com>
            <001e01c2d9e4$1832f9c0$58bfef84@rkhpc1>
Message-ID: <20030221221841.3897.qmail@www.boxfrog.com>

Richard K. Herz writes: 

> On Friday, February 21, 2003 9:51 AM, Alex Rice wrote: 
> 
>> On Thursday, February 20, 2003, at 11:18  PM, Richard K. Herz wrote: 
>>
>> > My understanding is that you need to get the path to the directory
>> > where your exe is, e.g., from parsing "get the long name of this
>> > stack", and then have the shell "cd" to that directory before running
>> > the exe.  This is what the script I sent does.  The path to the
>> > directory the exe is in gMyappPath originally. 
>>
>> I'm probably missing something, but I don't think that is necessary.
>> shell() runs from the defaultFolder, and the only time the
>> defaultFolder is not equal to the path of the main stack, is when you
>> running in development platform, and in that case you can just fix up
>> the defaultFolder property. So you don't need to cd to a path to
>> execute a shell command, unless the command is actually located in an
>> entirely different directory.
> 
> Testing now with MC on Win XP, it does look like the cmd.exe shell's default
> directory is the same as Rev/MC (engine's location or by setting "the
> directory").  For example, start Rev/MC and from the msg box, answer
> shell("dir") lists the contents of the directory where the Rev/MC engine is
> located and answer shell("dir ..\") lists the directory above.  So you're
> right, you don't have to shell cd with the complete path to the exe to
> "start" the exe as I did in my original script, just "start" it with a
> relative name, e.g., get shell("start \appfolder\app.exe") for an exe in
> folder "appfolder" below the current Rev/MC default directory.  If I'm
> understanding you right, a shell cd with the full pathname has problems of
> potential path differences between Rev/MC and Windows. 
> 
> Rich Herz
> herz at ucsd.edu 
> 
==========
I suspect the reason you are able to "shell out" is due to the PATH 
environment variable. For those not familiar with DOS, if you type PATH at 
the DOS prompt, a string is displayed that is the "search path" for 
commands. Usually, but DEFINITELY not always, it includes 
C:\windowS\system32
Note that this is the default directory for cmd.exe in WIN XP. Therefore, 
simply invoking the SHELL command from MC results in the PATH search 
locating and launching cmd.exe 

miscdas 



From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Feb 21 17:23:01 2003
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri Feb 21 17:23:01 2003
Subject: RR/MC mixup (was 'Ken's recent bad day')
In-Reply-To: <BA7BBC5D.6DB5%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <BBEIJJIICJJBOLMBODHCIEFLDPAA.chipp@chipp.com>

I've been following this thread, and agree it's sometimes confusing.

My plugin suite at:
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/NewPlugins.htm

Prints to the message box when RR launches the following:

RunRev version: 1.5 A1 r1
MetaCard engine version: 2.4.2
Build Number: 2

it does this with the following function:

on answerVersion
  if exists(stack "revMenuBar") then
    put "RunRev version: " & revAppVersion() & return & "MetaCard engine
version: " & the version & return & "Build Number: " & the buildNumber into
theMsg
  else
    put "MetaCard engine version: " & the version & return & "Build Number:
" & the buildNumber into theMsg
  end if
  put theMsg
end answerVersion


Chipp

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Ken Norris
> (dialup)
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 1:22 PM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: RR/MC mixup (was 'Ken's recent bad day')
>
>
> **********
> > From: "Ken Ray" <kray at sonsothunder.com>
> > Subject: Re: Ken's recent bad day.
> > Date:  Fri, 21 Feb 2003 08:45:45 -0600
>
> >
> >>> I have not reported this because (a) I am waiting to see whether it
> >>> is fixed in v2.5 and (b) I can work around the problem by making a
> >>> card the current card before trying to access its controls via the AO.
> >> ----------
> >> At least I'm not alone with some anamolies.
> >>
> >> Version 2.5? You mean 2.0 right? Rev hasn't said anything
> about a version
> >> 2.5 AFAIK.
> >
> > I believe Rob was talking about the MetaCard engine under Rev
> 2.0 (which is
> > MetaCard 2.5).
> ----------
> I seem to remember a similar mixup back then as well.
>
> Can we get a definitive list of which RR versions use which MC engines?
>
> Ken N.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From Doug_Ivers at lord.com  Fri Feb 21 17:27:01 2003
From: Doug_Ivers at lord.com (Ivers, Doug E)
Date: Fri Feb 21 17:27:01 2003
Subject: auto size of a group
Message-ID: <E08533A454364A4C8B395EA007D1F42318EC43@ntsrvcrd04.main.lord.com>

I do Mac OS X.  I haven't done much regarding the visible prop, but when I manually resize (by dragging one of the 8 handles) a control that is in a group to beyond the group rect, the portion of the control outside the group rect is not visible and the group doesn't resize automatically.


-- D



> -----Original Message-----
> From: miscdas at boxfrog.com [mailto:miscdas at boxfrog.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 1:39 PM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: auto size of a group
> 
> 
> Ivers, Doug E writes: 
> 
> > It seems like there should be an option for groups that 
> says, "my size is the minimum rectangle that contains my 
> visible members" (as opposed to a fixed size).  The current 
> behavior is counter-intuitive for me, but I've adapted to it. 
>  It would be nice to have the option. 
> > 
> > -- D
> ================
> Mr. Ivers, 
> 
> Could you please elaborate on this lack of auto size feature 
> for groups in 
> Rev? In MC 2.4.3 on WIN XP pro, my groups automatically 
> resize when I change 
> the visible property of controls in the group. For example, 
> if I have three 
> fields in a group stacked vertically, and each field is of a 
> different 
> width, then when I set the visible of the highest field to 
> false, the height 
> of my group automatically drops to enclose the remaining two 
> visible fields 
> (plus, of course, a few pixels around that defines the group area). 
> Similarly, if I set the visible of the widest field to false, 
> then the width 
> of group automatically reduces to a width sufficient to 
> display the widest 
> visible field. Likewise, when I set the visible of these 
> fields back to 
> true, the group auto resizes to a larger size and displays all of the 
> visible controls. 
> 
> miscdas 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Feb 21 18:02:01 2003
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri Feb 21 18:02:01 2003
Subject: Why doesn't a stack open with the UI
In-Reply-To: <BA7BD453.6DC2%pixelbird@interisland.net>
References: <BA7BD453.6DC2%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <3E56AF1C.7040900@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/21/03 3:04 PM, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:

>>Command-clicking a stack in the Finder
>>will open the stack with the development environment loaded, which
>>allows you to choose how it will open.
> 
> ----------
> I thought I tried that. Maybe it's exclusive to MC?

It may be, for now. I think it was added after Rev 1.1.1 was released, 
so won't show up until Rev 2.0.

>>The default behavior of the engine is to quit when the last window is
>>closed. If you are still seeing Revolution in your application menu
>>after closing the last visible window, then you probably have an
>>invisible stack open somewhere.
> 
> ----------
> I don't see how that can be so. I restarted the computer and went to the
> stack, opened it (without the UI) and it still wouldn't quit. How could
> there be another stack open if I restarted?

An open substack, maybe?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From miscdas at boxfrog.com  Fri Feb 21 18:16:01 2003
From: miscdas at boxfrog.com (miscdas at boxfrog.com)
Date: Fri Feb 21 18:16:01 2003
Subject: auto size of a group
In-Reply-To: <E08533A454364A4C8B395EA007D1F42318EC43@ntsrvcrd04.main.lord.com> 
References: <E08533A454364A4C8B395EA007D1F42318EC43@ntsrvcrd04.main.lord.com>
Message-ID: <20030221231416.8380.qmail@www.boxfrog.com>

Ivers, Doug E writes:
[snip}
> I do Mac OS X.  I haven't done much regarding the visible prop, but when I manually resize (by dragging one of the 8 handles) a control that is in a group to beyond the group rect, the portion of the control outside the group rect is not visible and the group doesn't resize automatically. 
> 
> 
> -- D
=========
This also seems odd to me. With MC On WIN XP, I edit controls in a group by 
clicking the group, then from the Group Properties selecting Edit. Then use 
the handles to drag a control to a new size. Exit editing via the menu 
selection Edit\Stop editing BG. My Group auto resizes to match the resized 
control. In fact, using a  stack of width 256, I dragged a control beyond 
the stack edge, then exited group edit mode. I checked the width of the 
group and it was indeed larger (394) than the stack width (256). So, even 
when the control size exceeded the size of the stack, the group still auto 
sized to accomodate the new size of the control. 

miscdas


From mphasak at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 21 19:00:01 2003
From: mphasak at hotmail.com (Michael Hasak)
Date: Fri Feb 21 19:00:01 2003
Subject: can't import from file in OSX?
Message-ID: <F159ukGYk5qqWJJAf8D00003106@hotmail.com>

The source of my extreme bafflement is the code snippet below.  I believe 
this is the proper way to read text from a file and have it accessible in a 
text field, but I don't see any sign that the file read has occured, and 
defintely don't get the text in my field.

The first two lines are commented out, previous attempts; the current 
attempt is the last two lines.  None of them have worked.

--put URL "file:~/Desktop/radmindgui/ps_output" into field theOutput
--set the text of field theOutput to the text of URL "file:/etc/bashrc"
put "/Users/guest/Desktop/radmindgui/ps_output" into theFile
get the fifth line of URL "file:/Users/guest/Desktop/radmindgui/ps_output"
put it into field theOutput

I tried this with an http URL, and it worked fine.  The files in question 
have been checked for the proper permissions (world-readable).  I even tried 
creating a new stack and testing the code in there.  Don't see any clues 
from previous posts to the list.

Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong?

Thanks,

Mike H




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From bvg at mac.com  Fri Feb 21 22:21:01 2003
From: bvg at mac.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rnke_von_Gierke?=)
Date: Fri Feb 21 22:21:01 2003
Subject: can't import from file in OSX?
In-Reply-To: <F159ukGYk5qqWJJAf8D00003106@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <0DC4BFDF-4614-11D7-81C8-003065AD94A4@mac.com>

On Samstag, Feb 22, 2003, at 00:55 Europe/Zurich, Michael Hasak wrote:

> ...
> --put URL "file:~/Desktop/radmindgui/ps_output" into field theOutput

wrong path: no tilde, and desktop must be something like this (asuming 
OS X) :
put url "file:users/username/desktop/radmingui/ps_output" into field 
"theOutput"
check also the the "specialFolderPath" property if you do not know the 
user of the desktop.

> --set the text of field theOutput to the text of URL "file:/etc/bashrc"

an url has no text:
set the text of field "theOutput" to URL "file:/etc/bashrc"
alternative (simpler) form:
put URL "file:/etc/bashrc" into field "theOutput"

> put "/Users/guest/Desktop/radmindgui/ps_output" into theFile

puts it as a string, so theFile contains just the path to your file. 
Use the URL form:
put URL "file:/Users/guest/Desktop/radmindgui/ps_output" into theFile

> get the fifth line of URL 
> "file:/Users/guest/Desktop/radmindgui/ps_output"
> put it into field theOutput

hmm... this should work as far as I see it... maybe there are no five 
lines in that file?
maybe wanna quote the field name (for excluding all possible errors):
put it into field "theOutput"

>
> I tried this with an http URL, and it worked fine.  The files in 
> question have been checked for the proper permissions 
> (world-readable).  I even tried creating a new stack and testing the 
> code in there.  Don't see any clues from previous posts to the list.
>
> Can anyone see what I'm doing wrong?

well 3 of 4 isn't  that bad :)



From gwills at ozemail.com.au  Sat Feb 22 01:54:01 2003
From: gwills at ozemail.com.au (Greg Wills)
Date: Sat Feb 22 01:54:01 2003
Subject: Button images script
In-Reply-To: <200302171702.MAA20089@www.runrev.com>
References: <200302171702.MAA20089@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05001901ba7cb3ad9d24@[210.84.176.2]>

Thanks Jim, this works beautifully. I may however end up playing with 
the images to get them how I want them before I put them into the 
substack. Yet to be decided.

I noticed that the images in the substack are also resized, but when 
you re-open the stacks, all the images (and button images - but not 
buttons) are back to their original size. (I ran the script from a 
button and not a preopen card script.) For what I want to do this 
seems a bit of unnecessary processing as they would have to be 
resized every time the stack was opened. Do you think locking "size 
and position" (of the image) after the image have been scaled would 
stop this?

(But then again I can see the advantage in having a larger image to 
size as needed in different options within a stack - as I think 
aloud).

Thanks for sharing the script. It is helpful to see how others 
approach problems.

cheers

Greg


>Greg,
>
>Here is a utility which I use to deal with buttons in the main stack
>whose image icons are in a substack. It relieves you of the need of
>setting  to set the icon id and sizing the images and/or the buttons
>all in one fell swoop.
>
>1) Put all the images on card 1 of the substack (mySubstack below.)
>Don't worry about size or position, that will be taken care  of
>later. And resizing may distort the proportions. Doesn't matter if
>they overlap.
>2) Next go through the main stack (myStack below) and create buttons
>with *the same name as the desired image in the substack* and in the
>desired location on each card. Also adjust the size of the button to
>the desired size of the eventual image. (Actually only the width
>matters. The height will be adjusted to avoid distorting the image
>proportions.)
>3) Run setUp below from the main stack. All buttons will be assigned
>icon numbers of the image corresponding to the button name and the
>image in the substack is adjusted to fit within the button. And, as a
>bonus, you get an image border. If you don't want the border just:
>"set the showBorder of button tButtonName to "false." You can also
>set the color and width of the border. You may want to tinker with
>the edge number of ".98" below.
>4)  You can add images and button later if necessary and rerun "setUP".
>5)  Thanks to members of this list for help in developing this handler.
>
>
>
>On setUpRev
>    Lock screen
>    repeat with i =1 to the number of cards
>      set the defaultstack to "myStack
>      go to card i
>      repeat with j = 1 to the number of buttons
>        put the short name of button j into tButtonName
>        put the width of button j into theButtonWidth
>        set the defaultstack to "mySubstack
>        if there is an image tButtonName then
>          put the id of image tButtonName into tImageID
>          put the formattedWidth of image tButtonName into tImageWidth
>          Put the formattedHeight of image tButtonName into tImageHeight
>          put tImageHeight/tImageWidth into ratioOfHeightToWidth
>          set the width of image tButtonName to theButtonWidth*.98 --
>Leave an edge
>          set the height of image tButtonName to
>theButtonWidth*ratioOfHeightToWidth*.98
>        end if
>        set the defaultstack to "myStack"
>        set the icon of button j to tImageID
>        set the height of button tButtonName to
>theButtonWidth*ratioOfHeightToWidth
>      end repeat
>    end repeat
>    unlock screen
>end setUpRev
>
>Jim


From jburtt at earthlink.net  Sat Feb 22 02:07:01 2003
From: jburtt at earthlink.net (John)
Date: Sat Feb 22 02:07:01 2003
Subject: Why doesn't a stack open with the UI
In-Reply-To: <200302212018.PAA31264@www.runrev.com>
References: <200302212018.PAA31264@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05100300ba7ccae7be42@[66.81.246.113]>

Jacqueline,

You said:

>The behavior is intentional and useful. To see how your stack will run
>without the development environment, you can double-click it in the
>Finder and it will run exactly as it would if you had compiled it as an
>app.

I have found this to be not true. I rarely use this technique because 
the stack does not run exactly as it would as an app. The fonts are 
not correct (especially the font sizes). The ask and answer dialogs 
don't work. And I would assume the other rev library stuff (internet, 
geometry, animation, ect.) won't work as well. I don't add these 
libraries to the stack because the application builder hangs if they 
are already present in the stack.

Until now, I've done without an easy way to run my stack as it would 
as an application (short of doing an actual build). What am I missing?

I would appreciate any tips you can give...  John


From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sat Feb 22 06:38:01 2003
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Sat Feb 22 06:38:01 2003
Subject: Pathway
Message-ID: <p05210202ba7d10a3f49b@[10.0.1.6]>

Hi

without answer, I ask my question again :


I experimented something strange :

on Mac OS jaguar X.2.4 with Rev 1.1.1

I have a list fld
each line gives a name of a textfile


when I click on a line, the script build a pathway to the file to 
open it (it's a text file)

sometimes I works well, sometimes I get an error "the file doesn't exist"
Each text file is in a folder
So I find now that when the name of the folder is too long (I mean 
the length or the  number of chars of the name of the folder), it 
doesn't run
Does it means that rev cannot handle long name file ???
It's very big problem for me because this stack is build to retrieve 
textfiles and I may not change the name of the folder in which the 
textfile is nested.

any idea ????
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Sat Feb 22 07:26:01 2003
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (Ludovic Th=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=E9?=bault)
Date: Sat Feb 22 07:26:01 2003
Subject: Pathway
In-Reply-To: <p05210202ba7d10a3f49b@[10.0.1.6]>
References: <p05210202ba7d10a3f49b@[10.0.1.6]>
Message-ID: <20030222132132.13965A4%00000000@laposte.net>

yves COPPE wrote:
>Does it means that rev cannot handle long name file ???

Yes.

>It's very big problem for me because this stack is build to retrieve 
>textfiles and I may not change the name of the folder in which the 
>textfile is nested.
>
>any idea ????

Wait for rev 2 final ?


From rcozens at pon.net  Sat Feb 22 10:24:01 2003
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Sat Feb 22 10:24:01 2003
Subject: Grouped Group Anomalies
Message-ID: <a05100300ba7d430400e5@[216.229.107.223]>

Hi All,

Can anyone tell me whether RunRev should be able to support placement 
of a grouped group on a card that does not contain the other controls 
in the larger group?  Ie: I have Group A, which contains Group B + 
other controls.  Is RunRev supposed to be able to place Group A 
(containing Group B) on some cards and Group B only on others?  The 
Application Overview & stack seemed flaky when I did this, and the 
problems seem to have gone away since I removed Group B from Group A.
-- 

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Sat Feb 22 12:54:00 2003
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Sat Feb 22 12:54:00 2003
Subject: Why doesn't a stack open with the UI
In-Reply-To: <a05100300ba7ccae7be42@[66.81.246.113]>
References: <200302212018.PAA31264@www.runrev.com> <a05100300ba7ccae7be42@[66.81.246.113]>
Message-ID: <3E57B84C.2050601@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/22/03 1:03 AM, John wrote:

> Until now, I've done without an easy way to run my stack as it would as 
> an application (short of doing an actual build). What am I missing?

Nothing. ;) All the things you mention do have to be accessible from the 
stack you are testing. I usually set the fonts and sizes within the 
stack so that hasn't been a problem for me. You'd have to add "start 
using" statements to access any libraries the stack needs. So there is a 
little extra work that has to happen if you want to test how the stack 
will run as an application before you actually build the app. Sometimes 
it is just easier to do an actual build for testing, but if you want to 
test repeatedly before you do the build then the extra work is reasonable.

I've included ask/answer dialog stacks as substacks in my projects in 
the past and haven't had any trouble with the distribution builder. Did 
you remember to uncheck those options in the builder before you built 
the distribution?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Sat Feb 22 13:30:01 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Sat Feb 22 13:30:01 2003
Subject: Why doesn't a stack open with the UI
In-Reply-To: <200302220655.BAA07558@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA7D01C1.6E12%pixelbird@interisland.net>

**********
> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:58:36 -0600
> From: "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> Organization: HyperActive Software
> Subject: Re: Why doesn't a stack open with the UI
> 
> On 2/21/03 3:04 PM, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:
> 
>>> Command-clicking a stack in the Finder
>>> will open the stack with the development environment loaded, which
>>> allows you to choose how it will open.
>> 
>> ----------
>> I thought I tried that. Maybe it's exclusive to MC?
> 
> It may be, for now. I think it was added after Rev 1.1.1 was released,
> so won't show up until Rev 2.0.
----------
OK. I hope so.
----------
>>> The default behavior of the engine is to quit when the last window is
>>> closed. If you are still seeing Revolution in your application menu
>>> after closing the last visible window, then you probably have an
>>> invisible stack open somewhere.
>> 
>> ----------
>> I don't see how that can be so. I restarted the computer and went to the
>> stack, opened it (without the UI) and it still wouldn't quit. How could
>> there be another stack open if I restarted?
> 
> An open substack, maybe?
----------
Maybe it has to do with something that happened. I made a stack with a
substack, then tried to change the name. In the file folder it had the new
name, but it kept showing up in the Rev File menu with the old name. I
closed it and removed it, but it kept coming back with the old name. When I
opened it, the title bar bore the old name as well, and I couldn't change it
because the stack object was grayed out in the menu. Nothing I did would
make the stack editable in any way I could think of.

Finally, I just trashed it. To my amazement, when I opened the File menu to
Recent, it showed the stack I just trashed, and I still couldn't edit it. I
think I trashed it, too. None of this makes any sense to me at all. I'm
still not sure what its state is, although it doesn't show up in the File
menu anymore.

Ken N.



From steve at messimercomputing.com  Sat Feb 22 13:31:00 2003
From: steve at messimercomputing.com (Stephen Messimer)
Date: Sat Feb 22 13:31:00 2003
Subject: nested group question
Message-ID: <4B53547F-4693-11D7-9DB6-000A27D75508@messimercomputing.com>

Hi Rob,

My experience with nested groups is that all groups that are part of 
the parent grp will be available on every card if bg behavior is 
enabled.  However those groups don't have to be visible. I'll bet you 
could figure out a way to show and hide the groups you want displayed 
when you move from one card to another.  I would probably use a custom 
property. Based upon its value have a script show one group  or another 
or the control sets.

Hope this helps.

Regards,

Steve

Stephen R. Messimer, PA
208 1st Ave. South	
Escanaba, MI 49829
www.messimercomputing.com



From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk  Sat Feb 22 17:32:00 2003
From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel)
Date: Sat Feb 22 17:32:00 2003
Subject: Visual effect anomaly
Message-ID: <p05100307ba7da8833384@[62.30.170.9]>

I have a rectangular area on a card which is used to cover a number 
of objects. The cover can be 'opened' or 'closed' via a button with 
this toggle script:

if the visible of cd grc "scPicShutter" is true then
     lock screen
     hide cd graphic "scPicShutter"
     unlock screen with visual effect Checkerboard fast
   else
     lock screen
     show cd graphic "scPicShutter"
     unlock screen with visual effect Checkerboard fast
   end if

The strange thing is that the closing ('show') always shows the 
visual effect, but the opening ('hide') never does. I can't see from 
the documentation why this should be so. Can anyone explain it, and 
suggest a workaround?

TIA

Graham
-- 
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From jhurley at infostations.com  Sat Feb 22 18:10:01 2003
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Sat Feb 22 18:10:01 2003
Subject: Button images script
In-Reply-To: <200302220655.BAA07572@www.runrev.com>
References: <200302220655.BAA07572@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05010402ba7d668c1054@[66.81.47.147]>

>  Greg Wills wrote:
>
>Thanks Jim, this works beautifully. I may however end up playing with
>the images to get them how I want them before I put them into the
>substack. Yet to be decided.
>
>I noticed that the images in the substack are also resized, but when
>you re-open the stacks, all the images (and button images - but not
>buttons) are back to their original size.


Greg,

I left out a key component of the process. *Sorry*.

You need to include a preOpenCard handler in the *stack* script. (If 
you  have any preOpenCard handlers in the card scripts, be sure to 
"pass preOpenCard" in those handlers.)

on preOpenCard
   repeat with i =  1 to the number of buttons
     put the  short name of button i into tName
     resizeImage tName
   end repeat
end preOpenCard


Where ResizeImage resides in the stack script and looks like this:

on resizeImage theImage
   --First get the button width
   put the width of button theImage into theButtonWidth
   --Reset the image size on the substack card
   --so that it will fit inside the button without distortion.
   set the defaultStack to "imagesSubstack"
   put the formattedWidth of image theImage into tImageWidth
   Put the formattedHeight of image theImage into tImageHeight
   put tImageWidth/tImageHeight into ratioOfWidthToHeight
   set the width of image theImage to theButtonWidth*.94 -- Leave an edge
   set the height of image theImage to theButtonWidth/ratioOfWidthToHeight*.94
   --Adjust the button height to match the proportions of the image.
   set the defaultstack to "images"
   set the height of button theImage to theButtonWidth/ratioOfWidthToHeight
end resizeImageRevisedFormatted


So that before each card is opened, the image in the substack is 
sized to fit within each  button. This is quite fast and very smooth.

I use this method because I  use the same image in different cards at 
*different sizes*.

*If the image sizes are fixed*, things are much simpler. You could 
alter the "setUp" handler to include

set the locklocation of image theButtonName to "true"

This also locks the image size. (The button name is the same as the 
image name.)

In this way there is no need for a preOpenCard handler and once the 
setUp handler is run, when you first construct the stack, you are 
done. Next time the stack is opened all images will be sized to fit 
within their respective buttons and the image sizes in the subStack 
will be locked.

You can of course take the manual approach and import the images to 
the substack, lock them, and then fit the buttons to fit the images. 
But I find this more time consuming when there are lots of images.

I hope I haven't left something out again.

Jim



From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Sun Feb 23 02:19:01 2003
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun Feb 23 02:19:01 2003
Subject: Rough day on the Revolution front
In-Reply-To: <BA790A67.6D6D%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <8C04FEA9-46FE-11D7-8287-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com>

This definitely sounds like a memory issue. How much physical memory 
and virtual memory does your computer have? How much is assigned as a 
preferred and minimum to Rev? Which OS version are you running?

On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 10:18 AM, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:

> Rev always takes about 4 minutes to completely shut down and even then,
> other apps have to spend quite bit of time fighting their way in to get
> enough memory to function.
>

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com



From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Sun Feb 23 02:33:02 2003
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun Feb 23 02:33:02 2003
Subject: Grouped Group Anomalies
In-Reply-To: <a05100300ba7d430400e5@[216.229.107.223]>
Message-ID: <85A7397C-4700-11D7-8287-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com>

No, you can't do this without removing group B from group A.

On Saturday, February 22, 2003, at 07:18 AM, Rob Cozens wrote:

> Can anyone tell me whether RunRev should be able to support placement 
> of a grouped group on a card that does not contain the other controls 
> in the larger group?  Ie: I have Group A, which contains Group B + 
> other controls.  Is RunRev supposed to be able to place Group A 
> (containing Group B) on some cards and Group B only on others?  The 
> Application Overview & stack seemed flaky when I did this, and the 
> problems seem to have gone away since I removed Group B from Group A.
>

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sun Feb 23 05:33:01 2003
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Sun Feb 23 05:33:01 2003
Subject: pathway
Message-ID: <p05210200ba7e512aa626@[10.0.1.6]>

Hi

again, I ask my question
Perhaps, I get no response because my question is not clear :

Mac OS X.2.4 with Rev 1.1.1
I want to access a text file from a script.
  the pathway is the following
/HD/user/myname/xxx/text filename.

but the name of the folder xxx may not be changed and is too long 
(the number of chars is ore than 32 chars)

so I can read from that text file because Rev cannot read a pathway 
with a component that has a long name (the name of the folder)

Any idea ???
how can I proceed  ??
Please help me
Thanks.
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 23 05:56:00 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Sun Feb 23 05:56:00 2003
Subject: pathway
In-Reply-To: <p05210200ba7e512aa626@[10.0.1.6]>
Message-ID: <20030223105200.53869.qmail@web11907.mail.yahoo.com>

--- yves COPPE <yvescoppe at skynet.be> wrote:
> Hi
> 
> again, I ask my question
> Perhaps, I get no response because my question is
> not clear :
> 
> Mac OS X.2.4 with Rev 1.1.1
> I want to access a text file from a script.
>   the pathway is the following
> /HD/user/myname/xxx/text filename.
> 
> but the name of the folder xxx may not be changed
> and is too long 
> (the number of chars is ore than 32 chars)
> 
> so I can read from that text file because Rev cannot
> read a pathway 
> with a component that has a long name (the name of
> the folder)
> 
> Any idea ???
> how can I proceed  ??
> Please help me
> Thanks.
> -- 
> Greetings.
> 
> Yves COPPE
> 

Hi Yves,

IIRC, RunRev only has problems with long filenames,
not long paths. Try to find out what the correct
pathname would be by using the following script.

on mouseUp
  answer file "Find the file with the long pathname"
  if the result is "Cancel" then exit mouseUp
  else put it into fld "ThePath"
  answer line 1 of URL ("file:"&it)
end mouseUp

That should bring you closer to understanding what's
going on, and how you can perhaps work around it.

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

=====
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From mazzapaolo at libero.it  Sun Feb 23 07:08:01 2003
From: mazzapaolo at libero.it (paolo mazza)
Date: Sun Feb 23 07:08:01 2003
Subject: Icon for a standalone on MacOSX
In-Reply-To: <p05210200ba7e512aa626@[10.0.1.6]>
Message-ID: <C497D0C6-4726-11D7-ADF3-0003936FFEAC@libero.it>

How  can I set an icon for my standalone application on MacOSX?
Using the application builder of Revolution I can set an icon only for 
Windows standalones?
What about Mac?
Ciao, Paolo



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sun Feb 23 10:41:01 2003
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Sun Feb 23 10:41:01 2003
Subject: pathway
In-Reply-To: <20030223105200.53869.qmail@web11907.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030223105200.53869.qmail@web11907.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p05210200ba7e99458c9c@[10.0.1.6]>

>Hi Yves,
>
>IIRC, RunRev only has problems with long filenames,
>not long paths. Try to find out what the correct
>pathname would be by using the following script.
>
>on mouseUp
>   answer file "Find the file with the long pathname"
>   if the result is "Cancel" then exit mouseUp
>   else put it into fld "ThePath"
>   answer line 1 of URL ("file:"&it)
>end mouseUp
>
>That should bring you closer to understanding what's
>going on, and how you can perhaps work around it.
>
>Hope this helped,
>
>Jan Schenkel.
>


I'm very disturbed, because your script here above runs well
the mine not
If I add in my script :

  if there is a file filePath then
     put URL ("file:"&filePath) into myTx
   else
     answer "No such a file"
     exit to top
   end if


If the folder which contains the text file has a short name, it runs well
but if the folder has a long name, I get my answer "No such a file"

but if I use your script on the same file text, it runs without problem.

I will check what happens in my script with the debugger...
Thank you for the tip...
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk  Sun Feb 23 11:15:01 2003
From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel)
Date: Sun Feb 23 11:15:01 2003
Subject: Double-clicking a document in Windows
Message-ID: <p05100300ba7e9f642d6b@[62.30.170.9]>

I've read Ken Ray's excellent article on 'Setting Document 
Associations in Windows', and I think I understand it as far as it 
goes. Trouble is, the depth of my ignorance is so profound, I don't 
know where to look for more information - I am totally ignorant of 
command-lines (well, at least since the early 70s), shells, 
registries, you name it... anyway, rant over, my current question is 
this:

if my user double-clicks on a document (a stack or maybe a text file) 
which is associated with my Revo-developed app, I can use Ken's 
technique to get the app to launch and hand my app script the path of 
the doc to open; however, what if the app is already open? Can I get 
an environment variable to tell me this, or must I keep a system of 
flags within my app to distinguish between the first time the user 
double-clicks (when I will have to go through a long initialisation 
sequence for the app) and all the subsequent times (when I will just 
have to act as if my user had chosen File/Open from a menu)? I recall 
I have had to do this 'manually' on Macs (using Apple Events with 
SuperCard). In more general terms, where can I find out more about 
environment variables and also about creating and attaching icons 
(icon families?) to the application and its associated documents? 
Maybe I have just missed some massive part of the Revo documentation, 
but I don't think so.

While I'm at it, what is the Windows equivalent of the Apple Event 
"aevtquit", where the OS tries to force the app to quit, and how do I 
handle it?

Deeply confused

Graham
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------
          Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France


From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Sun Feb 23 14:57:01 2003
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun Feb 23 14:57:01 2003
Subject: pathway
In-Reply-To: <p05210200ba7e512aa626@[10.0.1.6]>
Message-ID: <6E415386-4768-11D7-8287-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com>

Have you tried the open file commands? (as opposed to the url access 
commands?)

Also, you might be able to use AppleScript to do what you want.

On Sunday, February 23, 2003, at 02:29 AM, yves COPPE wrote:

> Hi
>
> again, I ask my question
> Perhaps, I get no response because my question is not clear :
>
> Mac OS X.2.4 with Rev 1.1.1
> I want to access a text file from a script.
>  the pathway is the following
> /HD/user/myname/xxx/text filename.
>
> but the name of the folder xxx may not be changed and is too long (the 
> number of chars is ore than 32 chars)
>
> so I can read from that text file because Rev cannot read a pathway 
> with a component that has a long name (the name of the folder)
>
> Any idea ???
> how can I proceed  ??
> Please help me
> Thanks.
> -- 
> Greetings.
>
> Yves COPPE
>
> Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>

I hope this helps. Feel free to contact me if you have any further 
questions.

regards,

Geoff Canyon
Revolution Support
--
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Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
Tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165.  Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707.



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sun Feb 23 15:07:01 2003
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (Yves COPPE)
Date: Sun Feb 23 15:07:01 2003
Subject: pathway
Message-ID: <p05210200ba7ed89b0fdc@[10.0.1.8]>

Hi everybody
and for Jan



I find the problem

when I use a long name for a folder

the result gves something like


/HD/user/userName/.../the truncated long name of the folder#465ED/Text

the long name of the folder is truncated and ends with "#465ED"

what's that ??

thank for your help
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From pixelbird at interisland.net  Sun Feb 23 16:56:01 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Sun Feb 23 16:56:01 2003
Subject: Rough day on the Revolution front
In-Reply-To: <200302231701.MAA32480@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA7E8366.6E69%pixelbird@interisland.net>

**********
> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 23:15:11 -0800
> Subject: Re: Rough day on the Revolution front
> From: Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com>
> 
> This definitely sounds like a memory issue. How much physical memory
> and virtual memory does your computer have? How much is assigned as a
> preferred and minimum to Rev? Which OS version are you running?
----------
I think so too, but I don't know what else I can do. My G4 Mac is locked up
in storage until I can find another office space (it's too large for my
current space available).

It's a Mac PowerBook 1400c, 133mHz, 48mb RAM, 1.2g HD, under OS 8.6. Up
until a couple years ago, it was still a fairly powerful machine, but it
tends to be a little wimpy with newer apps these days.

However, most days it seems to run Rev OK as long as I stay out of the docs.
Somedays, it just gets crazy, though, like the day I had. I don't have a
clue what I did different to cause extra problems.

I have a 128mb CF card in the PCMCIA slot as a formatted volume assigned to
Virtual Memory, which gives it 116mb useable VM. I've heard the transfer
rates of those things are pokey.

The natural RAM can be expanded to 64mb, but that is max, the RAM modules
are spec, and are expensive and hard to find. There is no known way to
expand beyond the 64mb limit (according to techs all over the internet, no
one has done it).

Also, the HD driver can only handle up to ATA 64, I think, so I'm not sure
how fast an external drive I can hook up. I have a 10g TravelStar ready to
go in to replace the 1.2g HD it has now, as soon as I can set aside a day to
backup everything on it. That will hopefully allow more VM at a little
faster rate.

Ken N.



From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 23 17:46:29 2003
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Sun Feb 23 17:46:29 2003
Subject: How to resize an Animated Gif
In-Reply-To: <200302231701.MAA32494@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20030223224035.62520.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi everyone on the list!

Recently, while testing version 04 of
"EPSimport", I found this unexpected
feature. A resized Animated gif.

To check this for yourselves, do the
following:
1) In the message box write:
Create image

This empty image will appear in the
center of the topstack.

2)Resize this empty image to the
size that you want the animated gif
to have and set the locklocation
of it to true.

3)Set the filename of the image to
the name of your animated gif.

Voila! You have an animated gif
resized.

Remember that you could move
this "locked" image to any place
that you want, for example,
put this code in the script
of the image:

on mouseup
set the cursor to none
repeat until the mouseclick()
-- set the loc of me to the mouseloc
grab me
end repeat
set the cursor to hand
end mouseup

Of course, you could use
the keyboard to move the image
or move it to the points of
a polygon graphic.

By the way, is this resize feature
mentioned in the documentation ?

Alejandro

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From chipp at chipp.com  Sun Feb 23 19:33:01 2003
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sun Feb 23 19:33:01 2003
Subject: Double-clicking a document in Windows
In-Reply-To: <p05100300ba7e9f642d6b@[62.30.170.9]>
Message-ID: <ACEELABEAIANJNCEJFMAEEGDDGAA.chipp@chipp.com>

Hi Graham,

You can't easily open a doc in an already opened application by
double-clicking on the document, because it will launch another instance of
the application. What you need it 'intra-application communication' for
instance: when the app launches, it checks a temp txt file to see if an
instance of itself is already opened, if it is, then it sends a message to
the other app (via the same text file and/or some sort of polling mechanism)
to open the newly requested file.

There's actually a RunRev user group setup to try and build an OpenSource
implementation of the 'intra-application' protocol and libray...but there's
not much done on it yet.

So, the short answer is it's currently very difficult to do this in Windows.

Here's a tip on "Creating a custom icon for Windows"

http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Tutorials.htm

-Chipp


> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Graham Samuel
> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 10:11 AM
> To: Revolution user discussion
> Subject: Double-clicking a document in Windows
>
>
> I've read Ken Ray's excellent article on 'Setting Document
> Associations in Windows', and I think I understand it as far as it
> goes. Trouble is, the depth of my ignorance is so profound, I don't
> know where to look for more information - I am totally ignorant of
> command-lines (well, at least since the early 70s), shells,
> registries, you name it... anyway, rant over, my current question is
> this:
>
> if my user double-clicks on a document (a stack or maybe a text file)
> which is associated with my Revo-developed app, I can use Ken's
> technique to get the app to launch and hand my app script the path of
> the doc to open; however, what if the app is already open? Can I get
> an environment variable to tell me this, or must I keep a system of
> flags within my app to distinguish between the first time the user
> double-clicks (when I will have to go through a long initialisation
> sequence for the app) and all the subsequent times (when I will just
> have to act as if my user had chosen File/Open from a menu)? I recall
> I have had to do this 'manually' on Macs (using Apple Events with
> SuperCard). In more general terms, where can I find out more about
> environment variables and also about creating and attaching icons
> (icon families?) to the application and its associated documents?
> Maybe I have just missed some massive part of the Revo documentation,
> but I don't think so.
>
> While I'm at it, what is the Windows equivalent of the Apple Event
> "aevtquit", where the OS tries to force the app to quit, and how do I
> handle it?
>
> Deeply confused
>
> Graham
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>           Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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From timothy.hart5 at verizon.net  Sun Feb 23 21:36:00 2003
From: timothy.hart5 at verizon.net (Tim Hart)
Date: Sun Feb 23 21:36:00 2003
Subject: Getting images from folder
Message-ID: <24359AC2-47A0-11D7-B7BF-0003938DD75E@verizon.net>

I want to keep my pictures seperate from the app itself.  I want to be 
able to call the pictures when i want them.  I just can't seem to get 
the scripting right.  I am trying:

put image "whatever" into image "1"

or
put URL "file:whatever/ehatever.jpg" into image "1"

please help



From timothy.hart5 at verizon.net  Sun Feb 23 21:36:27 2003
From: timothy.hart5 at verizon.net (Tim Hart)
Date: Sun Feb 23 21:36:27 2003
Subject: Getting images from folder
Message-ID: <2ABAAA15-4781-11D7-B7BF-0003938DD75E@verizon.net>

I want to keep my pictures seperate from the app itself.  I want to be 
able to call the pictures when i want them.  I just can't seem to get 
the scripting right.  I am trying:

put image "whatever" into image "1"

or
put URL "file:whatever/ehatever.jpg" into image "1"

please help



From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Sun Feb 23 22:18:01 2003
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah)
Date: Sun Feb 23 22:18:01 2003
Subject: Getting images from folder
In-Reply-To: <a05111a9aba7f359a702a@[192.168.0.100]>
Message-ID: <F7298154-47A5-11D7-BC05-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

I think you need something like:
	set the fileName of image "myImage" to pathToFile
Look up "fileName" in the docs and check the examples there.

Did you actually set the name of your image to 1 or are you meaning to 
refer to the first image? Setting the name of an object to a number is 
not a great idea as it is very easy to get confused. You could call it 
something like "Pic 1" which still allows you to loop through images 
programmatically but won't confuse matters. If you just meant to refer 
to the first image, then you don't need quotes around the 1.

Sarah


On Monday, February 24, 2003, at 12:36  pm, Tim Hart wrote:

> I want to keep my pictures seperate from the app itself.  I want to be 
> able to call the pictures when i want them.  I just can't seem to get 
> the scripting right.  I am trying:
>
> put image "whatever" into image "1"
>
> or
> put URL "file:whatever/ehatever.jpg" into image "1"
>
> please help
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>




From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Sun Feb 23 22:32:01 2003
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah)
Date: Sun Feb 23 22:32:01 2003
Subject: Custom button icons
In-Reply-To: <a05111a23ba7af2825a5f@[192.168.0.100]>
Message-ID: <B1534B94-47A6-11D7-BC05-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

The easiest way I find is to make a new temporary stack and use it as a 
holding place. Select the icon you want in one of the standard 
libraries and click "Insert image into stack". It will appear in your 
holding stack. Leaving it selected, change to your library and click 
"Move (or Copy) selected image into this stack".

If you want to add one of your own images to your library, just forget 
the first step. Import the image into your holding stack, open your 
image library and move or copy exactly the same way.

Cheers,
Sarah


On Friday, February 21, 2003, at 07:00  am, Alan Golub wrote:

> I've been spinning my wheels for days now trying to figure out how to
> install custom icons into my buttons. I have no problem inserting 
> standard
> icons from the image library, and I'm able to create a new library, but
> that's where I'm stumped. How do I import custom icons into my library 
> for
> use in my application buttons? Is this documented anywhere?
>
> Any help would be much appreciated.
>
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From kkaufman at snet.net  Sun Feb 23 23:30:01 2003
From: kkaufman at snet.net (Kurt Kaufman)
Date: Sun Feb 23 23:30:01 2003
Subject: Rough day on the Revolution front
Message-ID: <12EB4CA8-47B0-11D7-9869-0003936D1F12@snet.net>

Ken Norris wrote:

"...It's a Mac PowerBook 1400c, 133mHz, 48mb RAM, 1.2g HD, under OS 
8.6. Up
until a couple years ago, it was still a fairly powerful machine, but it
tends to be a little wimpy with newer apps these days...[...]...
I have a 128mb CF card in the PCMCIA slot as a formatted volume 
assigned to
Virtual Memory, which gives it 116mb useable VM. I've heard the transfer
rates of those things are pokey...."

That's really pushing it, I'm afraid:  A slower computer with limited 
RAM, running Mac OS 8's virtual memory (bad enough even on a fast hard 
drive, but even worse on flash memory).  I'm kind of surprised you were 
able to use Revolution at all.  I hope you get your G4 back soon!

Kurt



From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Mon Feb 24 02:26:01 2003
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon Feb 24 02:26:01 2003
Subject: Rough day on the Revolution front
In-Reply-To: <BA7E8366.6E69%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <C4725FEC-47C8-11D7-968D-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com>

Almost no question you're right. It sounds like you're taking the right 
steps. Good luck finding space to get the G4 set up.

On Sunday, February 23, 2003, at 01:55 PM, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:

> **********
>> Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 23:15:11 -0800
>> Subject: Re: Rough day on the Revolution front
>> From: Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com>
>>
>> This definitely sounds like a memory issue. How much physical memory
>> and virtual memory does your computer have? How much is assigned as a
>> preferred and minimum to Rev? Which OS version are you running?
> ----------
> I think so too, but I don't know what else I can do. My G4 Mac is 
> locked up
> in storage until I can find another office space (it's too large for my
> current space available).
>
> It's a Mac PowerBook 1400c, 133mHz, 48mb RAM, 1.2g HD, under OS 8.6. Up
> until a couple years ago, it was still a fairly powerful machine, but 
> it
> tends to be a little wimpy with newer apps these days.
>

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Mon Feb 24 02:31:01 2003
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Mon Feb 24 02:31:01 2003
Subject: PathWay
Message-ID: <p05210200ba7f78b915d0@[10.0.1.6]>

Hi
Jan and the others


when I choose a file with this path :
(on mac OS X.2.4 and Rev 1.1.1)

/HD/users/myName/folder with long name/text file


the folder with long name is so
the name of somebody then "-" and his birthdate (dd-mm-yyyy)

for example : yourname-24-02-2003

if the number of cahrs of this folder name > 32 chars then

I get :

/HD/users/myName/folder with truncated name and ending with "#4A932"/text file


what's that  ???
thank you for your help.
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Mon Feb 24 02:39:01 2003
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon Feb 24 02:39:01 2003
Subject: Comparison to AppleScript Studio
Message-ID: <90438829-47CA-11D7-968D-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com>

Some of you may be aware of the Rev Docs wiki, which I set up awhile  
back (if you're not, I invite you to have a look). The pages of a wiki  
are editable by anyone, including you:

http://wiki.macitworks.com/revdocs/

A few months ago I put up some pages comparing Revolution to REALbasic.  
The activity has died down on those, so I guess they're in what the  
viewers thought was a reasonable state:

http://wiki.macitworks.com/revdocs/revolutionAndRealbasicCompared

Now I've added similar pages comparing Revolution and AppleScript  
Studio. They're incomplete at this point, since I know a fair bit about  
AppleScript but little about AS Studio. If anyone here has experience  
with AS Studio, I'd appreciate it if you had a look to see what you can  
add. Again, no login is required, just go and click the edit button:

http://wiki.macitworks.com/revdocs/ 
revolutionAndApplescriptStudioCompared

Also, if anyone has suggestions for comparisons to other tools, feel  
free to add them.

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com



From malte.brill at t-online.de  Mon Feb 24 05:27:01 2003
From: malte.brill at t-online.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Mon Feb 24 05:27:01 2003
Subject: How to resize an Animated Gif 
In-Reply-To: <200302220656.BAA07629@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA7FB109.3F7%malte.brill@t-online.de>

Hi Alejandro,

>To check this for yourselves, do the
>following:
>1) In the message box write:
>Create image

>This empty image will appear in the
>center of the topstack.

>2)Resize this empty image to the
>size that you want the animated gif
>to have and set the locklocation
>of it to true.

>3)Set the filename of the image to
>the name of your animated gif

this is great! I allways searched for a way to resize animated GIFs, finally
I have one. IMHO this is worth a tip of the week.

Thanks a lot!!!


BTW: I know about your EPS-Importer. Did you also code a "bezier-Tool" for
Rev? I would like to be able to create advanced motion-paths (graphics) from
within Rev. A bezier tool would be very usefull.

Regards,

Malte



From rjb at escapesports.com  Mon Feb 24 05:31:01 2003
From: rjb at escapesports.com (Ray Bennett)
Date: Mon Feb 24 05:31:01 2003
Subject: background image disappears when printing to PDF
In-Reply-To: <0FA949BC-3F00-11D7-A31D-0030657E2BD2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <FDC874FD-45E7-11D7-9B06-0030657E2BD2@escapesports.com>

Well, hot on the trail of this, here's what I've learned.

If I turn the "alwaysbuffer" property off, the image magically appears 
on when PDFd/printed.  (it was also disappearing _any_ time I tried to 
print it from an XP box).

Hmmm...

On Wednesday, Feb 12, 2003, at 22:05 America/New_York, Ray Bennett 
wrote:

> Dear List - Sorry to be a pest.
>
> I have an image control with an imported (vice linked) image.  This 
> control was pasted into the background of a card.  This background 
> occurs on 15 cards.  The image is pretty small (175x175).
>
> When I use the Print Dialog to create a PDF of the stack, everything 
> works except that where the image control should be, the actual image 
> doesn't appear.  What _does_ appear is a 175x175 swatch of the 
> background image contained on the first card of the stack (where the 
> call to "print" the cards was made from).
>
> This was actually in Rev Classic 1.1.1 running under 9.2.2. within the 
> OS 10.2.3 environment.
>
> The print script is below.
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Ray
>
> (sorry for the length of the script snippit)
> <--begin script-->
>  sort lines of theList ascending numeric by word 1 of each
>   if the optionkey is down then
>     open printing with dialog
>   else
>     open printing
>   end if
>   lock screen
>   put false into lastPassFlag
>   repeat with i = 1 to the number of lines in theList
>     if i = the number of lines in theList then
>       put true into lastPassFlag
>     end if
>     set the cursor to busy
>     --
>     put line i of theList into cardName
>     -- SIXTEEN and THIRTYTWOs
>     if the backgroundNames of card cardName contains "16" OR \
>         the backgroundNames of card cardName contains "32" then
>       if pagesToPrint = 2 then
>         push card
>         go card cardName
>         send "printThisCard false,2" to this card
>         pop card
>       else
>         push card
>         go card cardName
>         set the visible of scrollbar "rbscrollbar" to false
>         send "print32ChampBracket" to this card
>         set the visible of scrollbar "rbscrollbar" to true
>         if not(lastPassFlag) then
>           --don't do this the last time, or we get a blank page
>           print break
>         end if
>         pop card
>       end if
>     else
>       print card cardName of this stack into the rect of fld 
> "printpreview2" of card 1 of this stack
>       if not(lastPassFlag) then
>         --don't do this the last time, or we get a blank page
>         print break
>       end if
>     end if
>   end repeat
>   --
>   close printing
> <--end script-->
>
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From rjb at escapesports.com  Mon Feb 24 05:31:16 2003
From: rjb at escapesports.com (Ray Bennett)
Date: Mon Feb 24 05:31:16 2003
Subject: Visual effect anomaly
In-Reply-To: <p05100307ba7da8833384@[62.30.170.9]>
Message-ID: <3CC33FC9-4732-11D7-9602-0030657E2BD2@escapesports.com>

You may want to toggle the "alwaysbuffer" settings for the stack and 
see if that has any effect.  It did for me when printing images that 
were part of a card.

On Saturday, Feb 22, 2003, at 17:28 America/New_York, Graham Samuel 
wrote:

> I have a rectangular area on a card which is used to cover a number of 
> objects. The cover can be 'opened' or 'closed' via a button with this 
> toggle script:
>
> if the visible of cd grc "scPicShutter" is true then
>     lock screen
>     hide cd graphic "scPicShutter"
>     unlock screen with visual effect Checkerboard fast
>   else
>     lock screen
>     show cd graphic "scPicShutter"
>     unlock screen with visual effect Checkerboard fast
>   end if
>
> The strange thing is that the closing ('show') always shows the visual 
> effect, but the opening ('hide') never does. I can't see from the 
> documentation why this should be so. Can anyone explain it, and 
> suggest a workaround?
>
> TIA
>
> Graham
> -- 
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>          Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France
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From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 24 05:35:01 2003
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Mon Feb 24 05:35:01 2003
Subject: Comparison to AppleScript Studio
Message-ID: <20030224103031.49225.qmail@web40507.mail.yahoo.com>

on Mon Feb 24 02:39:01 2003 
Geoff Canyon wrote:

>Some of you may be aware of the Rev Docs wiki, 
>which I set up awhile back (if you're not, 
>I invite you to have a look). 
>The pages of a wiki are editable by anyone, including
>you:

This is a wonderful resource, thanks Geoff!

>A few months ago I put up some pages comparing 
>Revolution to REALbasic.  
[snip]
>Now I've added similar pages comparing Revolution 
>and AppleScript Studio.
>Also, if anyone has suggestions for comparisons to
>other tools, feel free to add them.

Equally helpful could be to compare their languages
with Transcript, with hints and tips to translate
other tools code for use in RunRev.

For example, How to translate and use VB code, Lingo,
ActionScript (Flash), C, Pascal, etc...

Development enviroments changes, but code stay.

Keep Up the good work!

Alejandro

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From capellan2000 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 24 06:40:01 2003
From: capellan2000 at yahoo.com (Alejandro Tejada)
Date: Mon Feb 24 06:40:01 2003
Subject: How to resize an Animated Gif
Message-ID: <20030224113600.71280.qmail@web40504.mail.yahoo.com>

on Mon Feb 24 05:27:01 2003 
Malte Brill wrote:

>I always searched for a way to resize animated
>Gifs, finally I have one.

I'm as surprised as you that this works.
And to complete the paradox, this feature
appears while importing vector graphics!

>IMHO this is worth a tip of the week.

I feel honored! Thanks Malte! :)

Who knows which others undocumented 
features are awaiting for us to discover!

>BTW: I know about your EPS-Importer. Did you also
code >a "bezier-Tool" for Rev? I would like to be able
to
>create advanced motion-paths (graphics) from
>within Rev. A bezier tool would be very usefull.

Actually, you could download this stack with
a "hardwired" bezier line (7k):

http://ffc.virtualave.net/BezierLine.rev

This could serve fine to draw the motion paths
for objects.

Last week, I've finally found a very simple way to
create and maintain live Bezier and Quadratic curves
in MC/RR (like Illustrator and Flash).
This means that you could apply all transformations:
scale, rotate, skew, reshape and move them as easy
as any polygon graphic. (Some of these transformations

are better handled with matrix math as described in
the svg specification).
This week, I'll scratch time to convert this idea
into a workable solution.

Alejandro


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From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Feb 24 07:24:01 2003
From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel)
Date: Mon Feb 24 07:24:01 2003
Subject: Double-clicking a document in Windows
Message-ID: <p05100303ba7fb984e214@[62.30.170.9]>

On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 18:29:22 -0600 "Chipp Walters" <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:
>
>Hi Graham,
>
>You can't easily open a doc in an already opened application by
>double-clicking on the document, because it will launch another instance of
>the application. What you need it 'intra-application communication' for
>instance: when the app launches, it checks a temp txt file to see if an
>instance of itself is already opened, if it is, then it sends a message to
>the other app (via the same text file and/or some sort of polling mechanism)
>to open the newly requested file.
>
>There's actually a RunRev user group setup to try and build an OpenSource
>implementation of the 'intra-application' protocol and libray...but there's
>not much done on it yet.
>
>So, the short answer is it's currently very difficult to do this in Windows.
>
>Here's a tip on "Creating a custom icon for Windows"
>
>http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Tutorials.htm
>
Chipp, thanks very much for the link. I feel so ignorant about so 
many things I'm suddenly having to learn about (don't get me started 
on QT movies!).

I am surprised that a second double-click will create another 
instance of an application in Windows, because IMHO this behaviour 
would be counterintuitive for most non-technical PC users, who after 
all are Msoft's most numerous customers. Indeed, grabbing the first 
PC I could find (running Office 2000 under Windows 95), I find that 
Microsoft Word works the way I expected, i.e. double-click on a 
document will open the app, double-click on a second document, the 
app acts like you did File/Open from a menu. Of course in MS Office 
applications, it's legit to have several documents/files open at the 
same time.

I had no idea that there was an 'intra-application' issue, which I 
suppose MS Office itself has had to grapple with.

I suppose then my fallback is to design the app to deal with only one 
document (double-clickable file) at a time - but even with this 
restriction published to my users, how can I tell if the user has in 
fact done a second 'unauthorised' double-click and somehow reject it?

Incidentally, since Mac OSX is based on Unix, it seems worth asking 
if this problem also exists there - I sense that this 
multiple-instantiation thing is more 'classical' in some sense than 
the original MacOS solution and therefore likely to exist in Unix too.

TIA for any further info.

Graham
-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------
          Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France


From Doug_Ivers at lord.com  Mon Feb 24 07:48:01 2003
From: Doug_Ivers at lord.com (Ivers, Doug E)
Date: Mon Feb 24 07:48:01 2003
Subject: variables and objects
Message-ID: <E08533A454364A4C8B395EA007D1F423097760@ntsrvcrd04.main.lord.com>

Seems that all user-created variables are character strings.  Is target also a character string, or is it something more sophisticated (like a pointer in C)?  Same question for this card, recent card, this stack, etc.

Are these statements the same in the way they work "behind the scenes"?
     answer the id of this card
     get the long name of this card; answer the id of it


-- D



From Doug_Ivers at lord.com  Mon Feb 24 08:22:01 2003
From: Doug_Ivers at lord.com (Ivers, Doug E)
Date: Mon Feb 24 08:22:01 2003
Subject: menu paradigm of Rev/MC and other goofiness
Message-ID: <E08533A454364A4C8B395EA007D1F423097761@ntsrvcrd04.main.lord.com>

Does anyone else besides me think that the way menuItems are implemented is goofy?

First of all, there should be a menuItem name, number, & id separate from the menuItem text, just like there is for controls.  Why was the paradigm used for buttons, fields, cards, etc. abandoned when menus were implemented?  I suppose it is a consequence of equating menu with button?  It seems so inconsistent.

Second, the use of character codes in the text of a menu item to create checkmarks and hot keys seems particularly archaic and problematic.  Of course there are ways to provide a new paradigm without giving up compatibility (think:  "set the menuObjects to true; set the checkMark of menuItem 4 of menu "Preferences" to true).

I don't claim to have all the answers for this, but the menu paradigm is goofy.  Another thing that bothers me is the gyrations required to deal with Transcript's quotes (the inability to nest quotes), but that is a topic for another thread.

Maybe a new interest group should be formed?
P rogrammers
A gainst
T ranscript
G oofiness

-- D

P.S.  I don't currently have access to the improve list, so when replying, please cc that list so this thread gets the appropriate visibility.



From rcozens at pon.net  Mon Feb 24 10:36:01 2003
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Mon Feb 24 10:36:01 2003
Subject: Grouped Group Anomalies
Message-ID: <a05100300ba7fea75bdb4@[216.229.107.186]>

>>Can anyone tell me whether RunRev should be able to support 
>>placement of a grouped group on a card that does not contain the 
>>other controls in the larger group?
<<

Thanks to Geoff for confirming my suspicions and to Steve M. for 
suggesting a workaround.
-- 
Rob Cozens
<http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm>

Vive R Revolution!


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Mon Feb 24 11:15:01 2003
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon Feb 24 11:15:01 2003
Subject: Rough day on the Revolution front
In-Reply-To: <12EB4CA8-47B0-11D7-9869-0003936D1F12@snet.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0302240810170.6254-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

I used v. 1 & the beta on my PB1400 with maxed out 64 MB RAM and no CF
card.  Worked tolerably well as I recall...

Judy

On Sun, 23 Feb 2003, Kurt Kaufman wrote:

> That's really pushing it, I'm afraid:  A slower computer with limited
> RAM, running Mac OS 8's virtual memory (bad enough even on a fast hard
> drive, but even worse on flash memory).  I'm kind of surprised you were
> able to use Revolution at all.  I hope you get your G4 back soon!



From alrice at arcplanning.com  Mon Feb 24 11:25:01 2003
From: alrice at arcplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Mon Feb 24 11:25:01 2003
Subject: Rough day on the Revolution front
In-Reply-To: <BA7E8366.6E69%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <FB0EC54E-4813-11D7-9CC1-000393529642@arcplanning.com>

On Sunday, February 23, 2003, at 02:55  PM, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:
> I have a 128mb CF card in the PCMCIA slot as a formatted volume 
> assigned to
> Virtual Memory, which gives it 116mb useable VM. I've heard the 
> transfer
> rates of those things are pokey.

The VM system on Mac OS (before X) is terrible. From my days doing tech 
support for an ISP, I remember once of the first things to try when a 
Mac is acting wonky is to *turn off* virtual memory.

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From heather at runrev.com  Mon Feb 24 11:45:01 2003
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Williams)
Date: Mon Feb 24 11:45:01 2003
Subject: T-Shirts competition
Message-ID: <BA7FF6AA.D357%heather@runrev.com>

Greetings!

Thank you all for the t-shirt entries. Officially the competition ends
today, but if you've still got an entry you'd like to send in, it's not too
late for the next few days. We've begun the preliminary screening :-) Got
some great creative minds on this list. Oh, the font for the Rev logo... I
know, I know, a bit late in the day, its Gill Sans bold extra condensed, a
horizontal scale of 90% and with some fancy spacing - play around with the
tracking to get it right.... I hope that helps.

Cheers

Heather
-- 
Heather Williams <heather at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Ltd.
Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707
Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought



From claus at dreischer.de  Mon Feb 24 11:48:01 2003
From: claus at dreischer.de (claus at dreischer.de)
Date: Mon Feb 24 11:48:01 2003
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Rev2=DF,_Win_<->_Linux:_Drag&Drop,_File_selector?=
Message-ID: <20030224164311.E302380DA@voodoo.strato-webmail.de>

Hi,

is Drag & Drop under Linux with the new beta of RunRev 2 known not to
work?

As a beginner i tried to use the dictionary to help me implement drag&drop
on a windows 2000 box. It works.
Code of the drag&drop field is:

   on dragEnter
     set acceptDrop to true
   end dragEnter

   on dragDrop 
     if me is not empty then put CR after me
     put the dragData["files"] after me
     send make_string    -- starts reformating 
   end dragDrop

The same does not work with a linux box(SUSE 8, KDE 3.0.4).
Is drag&drop on linux special, or is it just not implemented in the
actual
beta of RunRev 2?


Next question:
The following fileselector works perfectly on a windows box:

   answer file "select the VHDL files to include" with filter "VHDL files,
*.vhdl;*.vhd, all files, *.*"

The same on the linux (again SUSE 8, KDE 3.0.4) box gives a fileselector
with 
the wrong File Filter:
   /home/claus/VHDL files, *.vhdl;*.vhd, all files, *.*

It should look like:
   *.vhdl
or something like that.

With the above File Filter, no file can be selected.
Is this a to-be-implemented-thing too?

Regards,
 Claus.
 


From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Feb 24 12:44:01 2003
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon Feb 24 12:44:01 2003
Subject: Custom button icons 
In-Reply-To: <BA7AAC7F.31F%ASGolub@dkhglaw.com>
Message-ID: <ACEELABEAIANJNCEJFMAKEHBDGAA.chipp@chipp.com>

Check out:
"Buttons with Images"
at:

http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Tutorials.htm

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Alan Golub
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 3:02 PM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Custom button icons
>
>
> I've been spinning my wheels for days now trying to figure out how to
> install custom icons into my buttons. I have no problem inserting standard
> icons from the image library, and I'm able to create a new library, but
> that's where I'm stumped. How do I import custom icons into my library for
> use in my application buttons? Is this documented anywhere?
>
> Any help would be much appreciated.
>
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From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Mon Feb 24 13:08:01 2003
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Mon Feb 24 13:08:01 2003
Subject: pathway
Message-ID: <p05210200ba800e9e377d@[10.0.1.6]>

Hi everybody
and for Jan



Can somone explain me what happens ?????

when I use a long name for a folder

the result gves something like

/HD/user/userName/.../the truncated long name of the folder#465ED/Text

the long name of the folder is truncated and ends with "#465ED"


The long name of a folder is

the name of someone-dd-mm-yyyy   (name-birtday in European format)


Please help me.....

-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From tkuypers at pandora.be  Mon Feb 24 13:08:20 2003
From: tkuypers at pandora.be (tkuypers at pandora.be)
Date: Mon Feb 24 13:08:20 2003
Subject: Opening a file
Message-ID: <BA801D3C.65D8%tkuypers@pandora.be>

Hi gang...

Maybe someone can give me a clue, because I am stuck...

We developed a Windows FileMaker application which has 5 versions running in
various countries, using the runtime engine of FileMaker.
Now we need to run a FileMaker file to make sure the upgrade to version 6
goes ok.
The FileMaker file we are running is a runtime file as well and is during
installation of the new version, placed in the same folder as the old
version.

So I built an application which checks the old version of the FileMaker
application and selects the correct upgrader file.
When using the Launch command, the old version is launched, not the file I
want, so I used the Schell command. Problem solved!

Too bad, problem NOT solved, the shell command doesn?t work on systems
running Windows 98 :-((

Can anybody give me a clue where to search? How do I open a file, not caring
which application has to be used without using the Shell-command?

Many thanks in advance,

Ton Kuypers



From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Feb 24 13:24:01 2003
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon Feb 24 13:24:01 2003
Subject: Double-clicking a document in Windows
In-Reply-To: <p05100303ba7fb984e214@[62.30.170.9]>
Message-ID: <ACEELABEAIANJNCEJFMAGEHCDGAA.chipp@chipp.com>

Graham,

> I am surprised that a second double-click will create another
> instance of an application in Windows, because IMHO this behaviour
> would be counterintuitive for most non-technical PC users, who after
> all are Msoft's most numerous customers. Indeed, grabbing the first
> PC I could find (running Office 2000 under Windows 95), I find that
> Microsoft Word works the way I expected, i.e. double-click on a
> document will open the app, double-click on a second document, the
> app acts like you did File/Open from a menu. Of course in MS Office
> applications, it's legit to have several documents/files open at the
> same time.

Using MSWord 2000 and XP: when you double-click a .doc file, it appears that
it *also* launches a separate instance of MSWord (at least it shows so in
the Application tab of the task manager) - though MS does have a special
quick launch memory handling feature for all OFFICE apps.

I'm not so sure this is a big problem. What *should* the desired behavior
be? This was a bit confusing for me, too, coming from the Mac platform
several years ago. But, since the menubar is not tied to the top of the
screen, but rather to the window, it seems appropriate for Windows to 'open'
another version of the app with the document. Especially since Windows
handles memory so much better than Macs do (no App memory size -- VM
*substantially* better).

>
> I had no idea that there was an 'intra-application' issue, which I
> suppose MS Office itself has had to grapple with.
>
> I suppose then my fallback is to design the app to deal with only one
> document (double-clickable file) at a time - but even with this
> restriction published to my users, how can I tell if the user has in
> fact done a second 'unauthorised' double-click and somehow reject it?

What is your app trying to do that it doesn't want a second file (app) open?

>
> Incidentally, since Mac OSX is based on Unix, it seems worth asking
> if this problem also exists there - I sense that this
> multiple-instantiation thing is more 'classical' in some sense than
> the original MacOS solution and therefore likely to exist in Unix too.

Don't have an answer here. Perhaps Ken or someone else might know.

>
> TIA for any further info.
>
> Graham
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From alrice at arcplanning.com  Mon Feb 24 13:36:01 2003
From: alrice at arcplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Mon Feb 24 13:36:01 2003
Subject: exception handling
Message-ID: <40C9B1C6-4826-11D7-809D-000393529642@arcplanning.com>

Does transcript have no exception handling capability? (try/catch kind 
of thing)

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 24 13:40:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon Feb 24 13:40:01 2003
Subject: pathway
In-Reply-To: <p05210200ba800e9e377d@[10.0.1.6]>
Message-ID: <20030224183611.38198.qmail@web11903.mail.yahoo.com>

--- yves COPPE <yvescoppe at skynet.be> wrote:
> Hi everybody
> and for Jan
> 
> 
> 
> Can somone explain me what happens ?????
> 
> when I use a long name for a folder
> 
> the result gves something like
> 
> /HD/user/userName/.../the truncated long name of the
> folder#465ED/Text
> 
> the long name of the folder is truncated and ends
> with "#465ED"
> 
> 
> The long name of a folder is
> 
> the name of someone-dd-mm-yyyy   (name-birtday in
> European format)
> 
> 
> Please help me.....
> 
> -- 
> Greetings.
> 
> Yves COPPE
> 

Hi Yves,

Since nobody else jumped on this while I was in
hiatus, I'll pick up the thread here.

Maybe you recall that when Microsoft released
Windows95, it broke the 8.3-filename limit. New
applications would see the full name (254 char max).
But older applications will show files as in the 8.3
limit, and you get such funny things as "DATA~001.TXT"
when you're looking for a file named "Data before
changes.txt"

Something similar is happening here: the classic MacOS
imposed a 32 character limit on files and folders. And
that's why you'll see the funny "#465ED" at the end of
a long folder.
Have you checked if you get the same behaviour in the
PreBeta ? In that case, it could very well be a
limitation of the CarbonLib-API and it was fixed by
the transition to Mach-O executables for MetaCard 2.5
/ RunRev 2.0
If not, you'll have to figure out a way to convert
from the real name to the short name. But I have no
ideas for that at the moment. Someone else?

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 24 13:42:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon Feb 24 13:42:01 2003
Subject: exception handling
In-Reply-To: <40C9B1C6-4826-11D7-809D-000393529642@arcplanning.com>
Message-ID: <20030224183820.17636.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Alex Rice <alrice at arcplanning.com> wrote:
> Does transcript have no exception handling
> capability? (try/catch kind 
> of thing)
> 
> Alex Rice

Hi Alex,

It does, and you named it *grin*
Have a look at the 'try control structure' entry in
the Transcript Dictionary.

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

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From alrice at arcplanning.com  Mon Feb 24 13:44:01 2003
From: alrice at arcplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Mon Feb 24 13:44:01 2003
Subject: (no subject)
Message-ID: <62BA71FE-4827-11D7-809D-000393529642@arcplanning.com>

Does anyone see something wrong with this code- why it would work for 
some variables, but not others?

--
-- endSession
-- delete global variables associated with this session
--
on endSession
   put the namespace of this stack into tPrefix
   if tPrefix = empty then
     exit endSession
   end if
   set the itemDelimiter to comma
   repeat for each item tGlobal in the globalNames
     if matchText(tGlobal, "^" & tPrefix) then
       put "delete global" && tGlobal into tScript
       do tScript
     end if
   end repeat
end endSession

Sometimes, not always, I get this exception. It is always the case that 
I can do the same command from the message window without an exception.

  ? There was an Execution Error at 11:36:47 AM
Error description:  do: error in source expression
Object: stack "libSessionMgmt" of stack "/.../...rev"
--------------------
do tScript
--------------------
Value: delete global vf__dateModified

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Feb 24 13:45:01 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon Feb 24 13:45:01 2003
Subject: exception handling
In-Reply-To: <40C9B1C6-4826-11D7-809D-000393529642@arcplanning.com>
Message-ID: <BA7FA759.270D4%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

Alex Rice wrote:

> Does transcript have no exception handling capability? (try/catch kind
> of thing)

See the entry for "try" in the Transcript Dictionary.

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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 24 13:50:00 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon Feb 24 13:50:00 2003
Subject: Opening a file
In-Reply-To: <BA801D3C.65D8%tkuypers@pandora.be>
Message-ID: <20030224184632.19478.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "tkuypers at pandora.be" <tkuypers at pandora.be> wrote:
> Hi gang...
> 
> Maybe someone can give me a clue, because I am
> stuck...
> 
> We developed a Windows FileMaker application which
> has 5 versions running in
> various countries, using the runtime engine of
> FileMaker.
> Now we need to run a FileMaker file to make sure the
> upgrade to version 6
> goes ok.
> The FileMaker file we are running is a runtime file
> as well and is during
> installation of the new version, placed in the same
> folder as the old
> version.
> 
> So I built an application which checks the old
> version of the FileMaker
> application and selects the correct upgrader file.
> When using the Launch command, the old version is
> launched, not the file I
> want, so I used the Schell command. Problem solved!
> 
> Too bad, problem NOT solved, the shell command
> doesn?t work on systems
> running Windows 98 :-((
> 
> Can anybody give me a clue where to search? How do I
> open a file, not caring
> which application has to be used without using the
> Shell-command?
> 
> Many thanks in advance,
> 
> Ton Kuypers
> 

Hi Ton,

Check out the 'shellCommand' entry in the Transcript
Dictionary. I don't recall which used which, but some
Windows versions use "command.com" and others use
"cmd.exe" as shellCommands -- I'm quite sure it's in
Ken Ray's tips'n'tricks pages.

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

=====
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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 24 14:01:04 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon Feb 24 14:01:04 2003
Subject: variables and objects
In-Reply-To: <E08533A454364A4C8B395EA007D1F423097760@ntsrvcrd04.main.lord.com>
Message-ID: <20030224185742.41863.qmail@web11903.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "Ivers, Doug E" <Doug_Ivers at lord.com> wrote:
> Seems that all user-created variables are character
> strings.  Is target also a character string, or is
> it something more sophisticated (like a pointer in
> C)?  Same question for this card, recent card, this
> stack, etc.
> 
> Are these statements the same in the way they work
> "behind the scenes"?
>      answer the id of this card
>      get the long name of this card; answer the id
> of it
> 
> 
> -- D
> 

Hi Doug,

All variables are indeed character strings ; including
'the target' ; however, the engine recognises certain
keywords and can grab the data without having to parse
the content of the variable first ; so in your
example, "the id of this card" will work faster than
"the id of it" because the engine grabs it directly.

Best regards,

Jan Schenkel.

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From alrice at arcplanning.com  Mon Feb 24 14:13:00 2003
From: alrice at arcplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Mon Feb 24 14:13:00 2003
Subject: do "delete variable"
In-Reply-To: <62BA71FE-4827-11D7-809D-000393529642@arcplanning.com>
Message-ID: <14A67974-4829-11D7-809D-000393529642@arcplanning.com>

On Monday, February 24, 2003, at 11:40  AM, Alex Rice wrote:
>
> Sometimes, not always, I get this exception. It is always the case 
> that I can do the same command from the message window without an 
> exception.

Oops. I should have waited to send that. I think this is what I was 
missing- declaring the global.

  do "global" && tGlobal

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From alrice at arcplanning.com  Mon Feb 24 14:13:21 2003
From: alrice at arcplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Mon Feb 24 14:13:21 2003
Subject: exception handling
In-Reply-To: <20030224183820.17636.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5284F054-4829-11D7-809D-000393529642@arcplanning.com>

On Monday, February 24, 2003, at 11:38  AM, Jan Schenkel wrote:
> It does, and you named it *grin*
> Have a look at the 'try control structure' entry in
> the Transcript Dictionary.

Oh my goodness, I rememered correctly, but was searching the transcript 
library for "handle" and "exception". Doh!

Thanks,

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 24 14:14:00 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon Feb 24 14:14:00 2003
Subject: menu paradigm of Rev/MC and other goofiness
In-Reply-To: <E08533A454364A4C8B395EA007D1F423097761@ntsrvcrd04.main.lord.com>
Message-ID: <20030224191015.22973.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "Ivers, Doug E" <Doug_Ivers at lord.com> wrote:
> Does anyone else besides me think that the way
> menuItems are implemented is goofy?
> 
> First of all, there should be a menuItem name,
> number, & id separate from the menuItem text, just
> like there is for controls.  Why was the paradigm
> used for buttons, fields, cards, etc. abandoned when
> menus were implemented?  I suppose it is a
> consequence of equating menu with button?  It seems
> so inconsistent.
> 
> Second, the use of character codes in the text of a
> menu item to create checkmarks and hot keys seems
> particularly archaic and problematic.  Of course
> there are ways to provide a new paradigm without
> giving up compatibility (think:  "set the
> menuObjects to true; set the checkMark of menuItem 4
> of menu "Preferences" to true).
> 
> I don't claim to have all the answers for this, but
> the menu paradigm is goofy.  Another thing that
> bothers me is the gyrations required to deal with
> Transcript's quotes (the inability to nest quotes),
> but that is a topic for another thread.
> 
> Maybe a new interest group should be formed?
> P rogrammers
> A gainst
> T ranscript
> G oofiness
> 
> -- D
> 
> P.S.  I don't currently have access to the improve
> list, so when replying, please cc that list so this
> thread gets the appropriate visibility.
> 

Hi Doug,

Even though I found the menu paradigm quite strange at
the start, it has grown on me, because of its added
flexibility: you can place a menubar anywhere, you can
change contents dynamically on mouseEnter, etc.
You can even assign a 'menuStack' and it will show
that stack instead of a menu ; how cool is that? And
for the things I do miss, I nearly always found a
work-around. Is there anything in particular you need?

As for the quotes, that's inherent to XTalk, and has
been the cause of weird scripting ever since the
original HyperCard came out in 1987. But a little
creativity with 'do' never hurt anyone.
Well, except for the hair-pulling when it fails the
upteenth time for an obscure reason, of course ;-)

Best regards,

Jan Schenkel.

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From tkuypers at pandora.be  Mon Feb 24 14:22:01 2003
From: tkuypers at pandora.be (tkuypers at pandora.be)
Date: Mon Feb 24 14:22:01 2003
Subject: Opening a file
In-Reply-To: <20030224184632.19478.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BA802E8C.65E7%tkuypers@pandora.be>

Tnx, this is what I needed :-))

> From: Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:46:32 -0800 (PST)
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: Opening a file
> 
> --- "tkuypers at pandora.be" <tkuypers at pandora.be> wrote:
>> Hi gang...
>> 
>> Maybe someone can give me a clue, because I am
>> stuck...
>> 
>> We developed a Windows FileMaker application which
>> has 5 versions running in
>> various countries, using the runtime engine of
>> FileMaker.
>> Now we need to run a FileMaker file to make sure the
>> upgrade to version 6
>> goes ok.
>> The FileMaker file we are running is a runtime file
>> as well and is during
>> installation of the new version, placed in the same
>> folder as the old
>> version.
>> 
>> So I built an application which checks the old
>> version of the FileMaker
>> application and selects the correct upgrader file.
>> When using the Launch command, the old version is
>> launched, not the file I
>> want, so I used the Schell command. Problem solved!
>> 
>> Too bad, problem NOT solved, the shell command
>> doesn?t work on systems
>> running Windows 98 :-((
>> 
>> Can anybody give me a clue where to search? How do I
>> open a file, not caring
>> which application has to be used without using the
>> Shell-command?
>> 
>> Many thanks in advance,
>> 
>> Ton Kuypers
>> 
> 
> Hi Ton,
> 
> Check out the 'shellCommand' entry in the Transcript
> Dictionary. I don't recall which used which, but some
> Windows versions use "command.com" and others use
> "cmd.exe" as shellCommands -- I'm quite sure it's in
> Ken Ray's tips'n'tricks pages.
> 
> Hope this helped,
> 
> Jan Schenkel.
> 
> =====
> "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time."  (La
> Rochefoucauld)
> 
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Feb 24 14:26:02 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon Feb 24 14:26:02 2003
Subject: Double-clicking a document in Windows
In-Reply-To: <p05100303ba7fb984e214@[62.30.170.9]>
Message-ID: <BA7FB0AD.270E2%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

Graham Samuel wrote:

> I am surprised that a second double-click will create another
> instance of an application in Windows, because IMHO this behaviour
> would be counterintuitive for most non-technical PC users, who after
> all are Msoft's most numerous customers. Indeed, grabbing the first
> PC I could find (running Office 2000 under Windows 95), I find that
> Microsoft Word works the way I expected, i.e. double-click on a
> document will open the app, double-click on a second document, the
> app acts like you did File/Open from a menu. Of course in MS Office
> applications, it's legit to have several documents/files open at the
> same time.
> 
> I had no idea that there was an 'intra-application' issue, which I
> suppose MS Office itself has had to grapple with.

I have no idea how MS Office handles that (will they document the APIs they
use? <g>), and I'm sure there's a simpler method than the one discussed on
the MC list:  

<http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/htsearch?method=and&format=short&config
=metacard_lists_runrev_com&restrict=&exclude=&words=second+instance>

As for the default behavior, think of it as document-centric rather than
task-centric.  As Chipp pointed out, without a common menu bar everything is
dependent on the individual document window.

"But Office has a common menu bar - why can't I?"

Office uses MDI ("Multiple-Document Interface", which provides a master
enclosing window in which document windows appear.  Unlike the Mac, Windows
has not one, but four completely different windowing models for designers to
choose from:

--------------------------
Window Management

User tasks often involve working with different types of information
contained in more than one window or view. You can use a variety of
techniques to manage a set of windows or views. This chapter covers some
common techniques and the factors to consider in selecting a particular
model.

<http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnwue/html
/ch10a.asp>

---------------------------

Of these, Rev can do the Single-Document Window Interface, Workbook, and
Project models, but does not currently support Multiple-Document Interface.

If it's really essential that only one instance be open, there are ways to
get around that as discussed on the MC list.  But I wouldn't worry about
confusing users. The SDI has been around so long that the only ones who find
it confusing are Mac software designers. :)  Awash among four completely
different models, Windows end users seem accustomed to the variety.


> I suppose then my fallback is to design the app to deal with only one
> document (double-clickable file) at a time - but even with this
> restriction published to my users, how can I tell if the user has in
> fact done a second 'unauthorised' double-click and somehow reject it?

Why would you want to restrict them from opening a second document?


> Incidentally, since Mac OSX is based on Unix, it seems worth asking
> if this problem also exists there - I sense that this
> multiple-instantiation thing is more 'classical' in some sense than
> the original MacOS solution and therefore likely to exist in Unix too.

No, Mac still has a single instance, but OS X does introduce a new twist
that will prompt forward-thinking designers to consider migrating from
multiple-document interfaces to single-window, multi-pane UIs (as Apple has
been doing with things like iMovie):

In all prior versions of Mac OS, all windows belonging to an application
were kep in one layer, so that clicking any of them brought all of them
forward.

With OS X, the Mac is now like other OSes, in which all windows are
interleaved regardless of which application they belong to.

This means that if your application displays related data among multiple
windows, some of those windows may becme obscured by windows of other apps.

Compare Adobe Premier to iMovie:  In Premier (at least in the last version I
used) the preview and timeline views are in separate windows.  If you go to
the Finder to double-click a movie, Premier will bring the Preview window
forward but the timeline withh be behind the Finder window (hence the new
requirement for OS X apps to have a "Bring All to Front" menu item in the
Windows menu.
 
With iMovie, a given project has multiple views in one window, each view
effectively in a separate pane rather than a separate window.  This keeps
all views related to a given project in one window, so the user never has
data related to a given project obscured by other apps.

With Rev's group objects, setting up multiple pans in a window is a little
more work to set up but merely slightly more tedious than difficult.

One more consideration for OS X -- the new OS is also now more like other
OSes in a way that may hamper usability in some instances: clicks in
background windows now not only bring a window forward but also process the
click.  If you're in the habit of clicking anywhere in a background window
to bring it forward, be aware that you may also me making a selection,
triggering a button, etc.  You have to be careful now not to click on a
control in a background window unless you want to trigger than control.

For more on this and other windowing issues in Mac OS, see the Aqua HIG:
<http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/Essentials/AquaHIGuidelines/AHIG
Windows/index.html>

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From eijkhout at cs.utk.edu  Mon Feb 24 14:40:01 2003
From: eijkhout at cs.utk.edu (Victor Eijkhout)
Date: Mon Feb 24 14:40:01 2003
Subject: Can I wake a sleeping Mac?
Message-ID: <a05200a1aba8023accd81@[192.168.123.102]>

I'm trying to write an alarm clock. So I send a wake message to a 
handler in so many ticks.

Unfortunately my Mac goes to sleep, and the ongoing tick count gets 
delayed until it wakes up. Which is after *I* wake it.

Irony written all over this story, I know.

So, can runrev wake a sleeping computer? I know that it is possible 
in principle, because Apple's software can do it, and I've seen 
RealBasic programs that did it.
-- 
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tel: 865 974 9308 (W), 865 673 6998 (H), 865 974 8296 (F)
http://www.cs.utk.edu/~eijkhout/


From v.wildman at btinternet.com  Mon Feb 24 16:04:01 2003
From: v.wildman at btinternet.com (Vincent Wildman)
Date: Mon Feb 24 16:04:01 2003
Subject: Always On Top
References: <a05200a1aba8023accd81@[192.168.123.102]>
Message-ID: <003e01c2dc47$cf1d7c40$6401a8c0@vwildman>

I am writing a Timer function in a Win 9x environment that needs to be
always on top of any other programs used so that users can monitor their
internet connection.

Can this be done as I have looked through the documentation and can't find
anything that would help.

Best regards

Vincent Wildman



From tkuypers at pandora.be  Mon Feb 24 16:31:01 2003
From: tkuypers at pandora.be (tkuypers at pandora.be)
Date: Mon Feb 24 16:31:01 2003
Subject: Slightly OT: Open files in Windows98 via shell (was "Opening a
	file")
Message-ID: <BA804CD8.65F4%tkuypers@pandora.be>

And another problem arised...

Windows 2000:
Drop a FileMaker Runtime file (.USR) in the DOS-box en pressing the enterkey
runs the file with the correct FileMaker Runtime Engine.

Windows 98:
Doing the same thing gives an error (command or filename is incorrect) and
it doesn?t work...

Is there a way to launch a file in Windows 98, W2K and XP WITHOUT selecting
the program to open this file? RR forces me to use Shellscript, but this
gives me the above problem in W98 :-((
Launch first opens the FileMaker Runtime engine and starts the database, not
the file I want.

HELPPPPPPPPPPPP


Met vriendelijke groeten,
JAP / C-Sharp

Ton Kuypers



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From raney at metacard.com  Mon Feb 24 16:59:01 2003
From: raney at metacard.com (Scott Raney)
Date: Mon Feb 24 16:59:01 2003
Subject: pathway
In-Reply-To: <200302241032.FAA12691@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302241446070.24749-100000@mast.metacard.com>

On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 Yves COPPE <yvescoppe at skynet.be> wrote:

> I find the problem
> when I use a long name for a folder
> the result gves something like
> 
> /HD/user/userName/.../the truncated long name of the folder#465ED/Text
> the long name of the folder is truncated and ends with "#465ED"
> what's that ??

You didn't include platform or version information in your post (very
important when making a report like this!), but it looks like the
brain-damaged way OS X deals with long paths when you access them from
Carbon (i.e. with an FSSpec, which only supports 32-byte path elements
and 256 bytes total paths).  This works a lot better in MC 2.5/RR 2.0
where you can at least deal with these paths if you stick to using
"open file", but there are still some things (like "answer file") that
are limited by the Carbon API and so don't work right with long paths.

So, the bottom line is, depite Apple's claims of support to the
contrary, it's a *really bad idea* to use long paths on OS X because
there are still just too many things (like FSSpecs that QT and
Navigation Services use) that don't work with them.  You say you can't
change these path names, but that sounds to me like a policy decision
and unfortunately policy is just going to have to change in the face
of technical reality in this case.
  Regards,
    Scott

> thank for your help
> -- 
> Greetings.
> 
> Yves COPPE
> 
> Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be

********************************************************
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MetaCard: You know, there's an easier way to do that...



From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Feb 24 17:07:01 2003
From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel)
Date: Mon Feb 24 17:07:01 2003
Subject: menu paradigm of Rev/MC and other goofiness
Message-ID: <p05100302ba804359f29b@[62.30.170.9]>

On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 08:17:58 -0500 "Ivers, Doug E" <Doug_Ivers at lord.com> wrote:

>
>Does anyone else besides me think that the way menuItems are 
>implemented is goofy?
>
>[...]

Yes, coming from SuperCard I thought it was fairly goofy not to have 
a proper 'menu' object type, but I find with practice it doesn't 
worry me any more and it seems pretty flexible. However your second 
point


>Second, the use of character codes in the text of a menu item to 
>create checkmarks and hot keys seems particularly archaic and 
>problematic.

Yes, this has proved a bit of an irritation for me because I want to 
be able to have multilingual menu items, with the actual item text 
created at setup time according to the language of the environment, 
and it turns out that the parameter passed with 'menuPick' when a 
menu item is selected is a text which **doesn't** contain these extra 
character codes even though they have to be present in the button 
(menu) contents. This means that for each language I have to keep two 
texts per item, one for putting into the button as a menu item and 
one for putting into the menuPick handler as the text of the item as 
seen by the user. Still, once you've understood it, it ain't so bad.

Graham
-- 
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          Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France


From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk  Mon Feb 24 17:25:00 2003
From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel)
Date: Mon Feb 24 17:25:00 2003
Subject: Double-clicking a document in Windows
Message-ID: <p05100303ba8044813800@[62.30.170.9]>

On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 12:20:32 -0600 "Chipp Walters" <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:
>
>Using MSWord 2000 and XP: when you double-click a .doc file, it appears that
>it *also* launches a separate instance of MSWord (at least it shows so in
>the Application tab of the task manager) - though MS does have a special
>quick launch memory handling feature for all OFFICE apps.
>
>I'm not so sure this is a big problem. What *should* the desired behavior
>be? This was a bit confusing for me, too, coming from the Mac platform
>several years ago. But, since the menubar is not tied to the top of the
>screen, but rather to the window, it seems appropriate for Windows to 'open'
>another version of the app with the document. Especially since Windows
>handles memory so much better than Macs do (no App memory size -- VM
>*substantially* better).

Well, up to a point... but what about all those useful features where 
you have a number of docs open in Word or Excel or Photoshop or 
whatever, and the app arranges the screen so you can see them all, at 
least in part. This makes it easy to cut/paste or even drag/drop 
between the different documents. It's also possible in Word (if I 
remember rightly ) to have each chapter of a book as a separate 
document, but then to arrange the page numbering etc to run on from 
one chapter to another... these kind of features seem to me to be 
more naturally dealt with using just one instance of the app. However 
I admit this is just background, rather than an immediate issue for 
me.

>
>What is your app trying to do that it doesn't want a second file (app) open?
>
It wants to replace one document with another - generically the app 
is an educational game, and we don't want the user (a child) to have 
two separate maps or skill-and-drill screens or whatever open at one 
time - so when a new one opens, the old one closes. In the context of 
this type of app it would just seem unnecessarily complicated to work 
on two at once. For the same reason, my publisher's guidelines 
suggest the app attempts to fill the screen so as to limit the number 
of choices the user is tempted to make (although I don't go as far as 
getting into kiosk mode). You can see therefore that two instances of 
the same app would also seem confusing.

Graham
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Feb 24 17:55:01 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon Feb 24 17:55:01 2003
Subject: menu paradigm of Rev/MC and other goofiness
In-Reply-To: <p05100302ba804359f29b@[62.30.170.9]>
Message-ID: <BA7FE1D0.2712D%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

Graham Samuel wrote:

> On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 08:17:58 -0500 "Ivers, Doug E" <Doug_Ivers at lord.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Does anyone else besides me think that the way menuItems are
>> implemented is goofy?
>> 
>> [...]
> 
> Yes, coming from SuperCard I thought it was fairly goofy not to have
> a proper 'menu' object type, but I find with practice it doesn't
> worry me any more and it seems pretty flexible. However your second
> point

I think this may be a case of "different" more than one way being necesarily
"better" than another.  If you look up my early posts to the MC list in '98,
you'll find me kicking and screaming about these differences, but over time
I've learned the reasoning behind them and today I generally like the MC/Rev
engine as lot.

Back when I could still afford to deploy apps for Mac OS exclusively, of
course SuperCard was my tool of choice and I can't count the number of times
I wanted a way to dynamically modify a whole set of menus on the fly without
having to walk through a list of objects, with all the supporting data
structures that go along wih them.

And here's where I got excited about this more HC-like way of doing things
in MC: 

I was building a tool palette that uses a cascade menu to display a list of
stack files in a folder.  In SuperCard you'd want to build the menu in
advance, since the time to delete all menu items and rebuild them fresh
isn't something you'd want to do on mousedown, even with lockMenus on. ;)

It was working really well and I began to wonder if I could remove my
"Rebuild Menu" menu item by having the contents built on the fly.  I figured
with setting the directory, getting the file list, filtering the list for
"*.mc", sorting it, restoring the directory and stuffing the list into the
button, it would be prohibitive in terms of performance, but the being
benchmarking nut that I am I couldn't resist at least seeing how bad it was.

Well, I must have been tired that day, because when I opened the script
again I found that I'd already coded it that way -- the entire menu was
being rebuilt on the fly in a couple milliseconds on mousedown.

My only complaint with the text-base menus is that they are not currently
available for use as contextual menus, requiring making a relatively complex
widget if you want them to refect the exact system font settings across
platforms.

But if you're willing to get away with a modest deviation from HIGs, 12
points is the nearest match to Mac Classic, Win32, Red Hat Linux 8, and only
one point down from the recommended setting for OS X.

Just the same, I look forward to the speed and ease of using a textlist for
CMs as soon as possible.

But overall, the biggest challenge in working with Rev/MC's menus is when
porting from SC.  If porting from HC or building from scratch they're a kick
to work with.


>> Second, the use of character codes in the text of a menu item to
>> create checkmarks and hot keys seems particularly archaic and
>> problematic.
> 
> Yes, this has proved a bit of an irritation for me because I want to
> be able to have multilingual menu items, with the actual item text
> created at setup time according to the language of the environment,
> and it turns out that the parameter passed with 'menuPick' when a
> menu item is selected is a text which **doesn't** contain these extra
> character codes even though they have to be present in the button
> (menu) contents. This means that for each language I have to keep two
> texts per item, one for putting into the button as a menu item and
> one for putting into the menuPick handler as the text of the item as
> seen by the user. Still, once you've understood it, it ain't so bad.

With case statements it shouldn't be too hard.

Does the menuhistory works for pull-downs?

-- 
 Richard Gaskin 
 Fourth World Media Corporation
 Developer of WebMerge 2.2: Publish any database on any site
 ___________________________________________________________
 Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
 Tel: 323-225-3717                       AIM: FourthWorldInc



From Doug_Ivers at lord.com  Mon Feb 24 18:14:01 2003
From: Doug_Ivers at lord.com (Ivers, Doug E)
Date: Mon Feb 24 18:14:01 2003
Subject: menu paradigm of Rev/MC and other goofiness
Message-ID: <E08533A454364A4C8B395EA007D1F423097764@ntsrvcrd04.main.lord.com>

My point is that there are areas of  hypertalk that require more coding and are more prone to errors than should be.  I hope that the MC/Rev developers are open to discussing these topics and providing improvements in the language.

Menus and nested quotes stick out in my mind.  Another area:  I think there should be a variable type that is an object pointer as opposed to a text string.  I can't put my finger on a specific example that illustrates why right now...but I know I've had to do some coding gyrations to get my (sring) reference to a pointer interpreted right.


-- D


> > 
> > Maybe a new interest group should be formed?
> > P rogrammers
> > A gainst
> > T ranscript
> > G oofiness
> > 
> > -- D
> > 
> > P.S.  I don't currently have access to the improve
> > list, so when replying, please cc that list so this
> > thread gets the appropriate visibility.
> > 


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Mon Feb 24 18:31:01 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Mon Feb 24 18:31:01 2003
Subject: menu paradigm of Rev/MC and other goofiness
In-Reply-To: <E08533A454364A4C8B395EA007D1F423097764@ntsrvcrd04.main.lord.com>
Message-ID: <BA7FEA53.27141%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

Ivers, Doug E wrote:

> My point is that there are areas of  hypertalk that require more coding and
> are more prone to errors than should be.  I hope that the MC/Rev developers
> are open to discussing these topics and providing improvements in the
> language.
> 
> Menus and nested quotes stick out in my mind.

Here's a lil' gem that's radically simplified a lot of my code:

function q s
  return quote& s &quote
end q


To call it:

  put "I said, "& q("Let's go!")

...as opposed to:

  put "I said, "& quote&"Let's go!"&quote


A small improvement, but a but more pleasing to the tired eye. :)

-- 
 Richard Gaskin 
 Fourth World Media Corporation
 Developer of WebMerge 2.2: Publish any database on any site
 ___________________________________________________________
 Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
 Tel: 323-225-3717                       AIM: FourthWorldInc



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Mon Feb 24 21:35:00 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Mon Feb 24 21:35:00 2003
Subject: Rough day on the Revolution front
In-Reply-To: <200302241701.MAA20132@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA801687.6ED4%pixelbird@interisland.net>

**********
> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:21:08 -0700
> Subject: Re: Rough day on the Revolution front
> From: Alex Rice <alrice at arcplanning.com>
 
> On Sunday, February 23, 2003, at 02:55  PM, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:
>> I have a 128mb CF card in the PCMCIA slot as a formatted volume
>> assigned to
>> Virtual Memory, which gives it 116mb useable VM. I've heard the
>> transfer
>> rates of those things are pokey.
> 
> The VM system on Mac OS (before X) is terrible. From my days doing tech
> support for an ISP, I remember once of the first things to try when a
> Mac is acting wonky is to *turn off* virtual memory.
----------
Turn off VM, open Rev docs,...CRASH!

Ken N.



From mazzapaolo at libero.it  Tue Feb 25 04:31:01 2003
From: mazzapaolo at libero.it (paolo mazza)
Date: Tue Feb 25 04:31:01 2003
Subject: icon  standalone application on MacOSX
In-Reply-To: <ACEELABEAIANJNCEJFMAKEHBDGAA.chipp@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <370C4FE8-48A3-11D7-B04E-0003936FFEAC@libero.it>

How  can I set an icon for a standalone application on MacOSX?
Using the application builder of Revolution I can set an icon only for 
Windows standalones?
What about Mac?
Ciao, Paolo



From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Tue Feb 25 05:38:00 2003
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Tue Feb 25 05:38:00 2003
Subject: OSX stripey dialogs/sheets
In-Reply-To: <90438829-47CA-11D7-968D-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com>
Message-ID: <9A4EDDA2-48AC-11D7-904E-000393AEC28C@unimelb.edu.au>

Ello - I know this has been covered before (more than once) but can 
anyone reiterate the steps required to get that 'stripey' window 
background on OSX?

TIA

Terry...

Dr Terry Judd
Biomedical Multimedia Unit
Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
The University of Melbourne
Parkville VIC 3052
AUSTRALIA



From alrice at arcplanning.com  Tue Feb 25 08:56:01 2003
From: alrice at arcplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Tue Feb 25 08:56:01 2003
Subject: icon  standalone application on MacOSX
In-Reply-To: <370C4FE8-48A3-11D7-B04E-0003936FFEAC@libero.it>
Message-ID: <6BC3CB49-48C8-11D7-8A98-000393529642@arcplanning.com>

On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, at 02:26  AM, paolo mazza wrote:

> How  can I set an icon for a standalone application on MacOSX?
> Using the application builder of Revolution I can set an icon only for  
> Windows standalones?
> What about Mac?
> Ciao, Paolo

You can wait for Rev v2, or in Rev 1.1.1, you can create an application  
bundle by hand or using Apple Project Builder. Copy your revolution app  
into the bundle and then adjust the icon and other properties in the  
app bundle.

   
http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2002-November/ 
009268.html

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From valetia at mac.com  Tue Feb 25 10:28:00 2003
From: valetia at mac.com (valetia at mac.com)
Date: Tue Feb 25 10:28:00 2003
Subject: iTunes-type alternate colored lines in scrolling list field
In-Reply-To: <9A4EDDA2-48AC-11D7-904E-000393AEC28C@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <BA81C7B8.2015F%valetia@mac.com>

It seems REALbasic allows for that...how do you do that in Revolution? :-)

Valetia



From valetia at mac.com  Tue Feb 25 10:30:01 2003
From: valetia at mac.com (valetia at mac.com)
Date: Tue Feb 25 10:30:01 2003
Subject: icon  standalone application on MacOSX
In-Reply-To: <370C4FE8-48A3-11D7-B04E-0003936FFEAC@libero.it>
Message-ID: <BA81C840.20162%valetia@mac.com>

> How  can I set an icon for a standalone application on MacOSX?
> Using the application builder of Revolution I can set an icon only for
> Windows standalones?
> What about Mac?

Try Iconographer:

http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=11842&db=mac

Valetia




From eijkhout at cs.utk.edu  Tue Feb 25 10:47:01 2003
From: eijkhout at cs.utk.edu (Victor Eijkhout)
Date: Tue Feb 25 10:47:01 2003
Subject: can't import from file in OSX?
Message-ID: <a05200a27ba813eb38bcf@[192.168.123.102]>

At 1:55 -0500 2003/02/22, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
>  > get the fifth line of URL
>>  "file:/Users/guest/Desktop/radmindgui/ps_output"
>>  put it into field theOutput
>
>hmm... this should work as far as I see it... maybe there are no five

I ran into something like this a while ago.

Try "file:/YourHardDrive/Users/blah/blah", where any spaces in the 
hard drive are rendered as "%20".
-- 
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tel: 865 974 9308 (W), 865 673 6998 (H), 865 974 8296 (F)
http://www.cs.utk.edu/~eijkhout/


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 25 11:38:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Tue Feb 25 11:38:01 2003
Subject: iTunes-type alternate colored lines in scrolling list field
In-Reply-To: <BA81C7B8.2015F%valetia@mac.com>
Message-ID: <20030225163410.97806.qmail@web11904.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "valetia at mac.com" <valetia at mac.com> wrote:
> It seems REALbasic allows for that...how do you do
> that in Revolution? :-)
> 
> Valetia
> 

Hi Valetia,

Here's the way I did it :
- create a pattern in your favourite painting app
- import it as an image
- create a rectangle the size of the field > 'Foo'
- set its lineSize to 0
- use the 'Colors' palette to set the
backgroundPattern of the rectangle to your imported
pattern
- group the rectangle > 'Bar'
- set the margins of group "Bar" to 0
- set the lockLocation of group "Bar" to true
- move the group behind the field
- set the field's opaque to false

At this point, you have two choices:
1) either you correct the scrolling so that one line
at a time is scrolled instead of one pixel at a time.
- set the script of the field to :
  on scrollbarDrag
    put the scroll of me into tScroll
    put the effective textHeight of me into
tLineHeight
    if tScroll MOD tLineHeight is not 0 then
      set the scroll of me to \
          ((tScroll DIV tLineHeight) * tLineHeight)
    end if
  end scrollbarDrag

2) or a few more steps are needed to make it scroll
well:
- set the script of the field to :
  on scrollbarDrag
    set the scroll of group "Bar" to the scroll of me
  end scrollbarDrag
  on InitBkgnd
    put the rect of graphic "Foo" into tBgRect
    put the formattedHeight of me into tHeight
    add (tHeight - item 4 of tRect - item 2 of tRect)
\
        to item 4 of tRect
  end InitBkgnd
- and use the message box to :
  set the scroll of grp "Bar" to 1
  set the scroll of fld "List" to 1
  send "InitBkgnd" to fld "List"

You may have to fiddle some positions a bit with
respect to the field margins, and you'll have to make
sure the list field has a fixed line height.

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

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From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Tue Feb 25 11:48:01 2003
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Tue Feb 25 11:48:01 2003
Subject: pathway
In-Reply-To: <20030224183611.38198.qmail@web11903.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030224183611.38198.qmail@web11903.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p05210200ba814cb48cc9@[10.0.1.6]>

>Since nobody else jumped on this while I was in
>hiatus, I'll pick up the thread here.
>
>Maybe you recall that when Microsoft released
>Windows95, it broke the 8.3-filename limit. New
>applications would see the full name (254 char max).
>But older applications will show files as in the 8.3
>limit, and you get such funny things as "DATA~001.TXT"
>when you're looking for a file named "Data before
>changes.txt"
>
>Something similar is happening here: the classic MacOS
>imposed a 32 character limit on files and folders. And
>that's why you'll see the funny "#465ED" at the end of
>a long folder.
>Have you checked if you get the same behaviour in the
>PreBeta ? In that case, it could very well be a
>limitation of the CarbonLib-API and it was fixed by
>the transition to Mach-O executables for MetaCard 2.5
>/ RunRev 2.0
>If not, you'll have to figure out a way to convert
>from the real name to the short name. But I have no
>ideas for that at the moment. Someone else?
>
>Hope this helped,
>
Jan Schenkel.
It seems as it's better wwith Rev 2.0 pre beta
I caanot test the full script because I can't access the flds names 
in this pre beta
I've done some easy test with the "answer" dlog


answer file "Which file"
answer it

I get the full path without truncated name
I'm waiting a full version of rev 2.0 to test it definitively.


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 25 11:54:00 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Tue Feb 25 11:54:00 2003
Subject: iTunes-type alternate colored lines in scrolling list field
In-Reply-To: <BA81C7B8.2015F%valetia@mac.com>
Message-ID: <20030225164958.73305.qmail@web11905.mail.yahoo.com>

<argh> accidentally hit the 'Send' button before I was
finished editing this post </arg>

--- "valetia at mac.com" <valetia at mac.com> wrote:
> It seems REALbasic allows for that...how do you do
> that in Revolution? :-)
> 
> Valetia
> 

Hi Valetia,

There are two ways to go, depending on what you want.
1) if you're okay with 'line-per-line' scrolling of
your field, you can simply:
- create a pattern in your favourite painting app
- import it as an image
- use the 'Colors' palette to set the
backgroundPattern of the field to your imported
pattern
- set the script of the field to :
  on scrollbarDrag
    put the scroll of me into tScroll
    put the effective textHeight of me into
tLineHeight
    if (tScroll MOD tLineHeight) is not 0 then
      set the scroll of me to \
          ((tScroll DIV tLineHeight) * tLineHeight)
    end if
  end scrollbarDrag

2) if you want pixel-per-pixel' scrolling, things get
a bit more complicated, but it is possible ; here's
the way I did it :
- create a pattern in your favourite painting app
- import it as an image
- create a rectangle the size of the field > 'Foo'
- set its lineSize to 0
- use the 'Colors' palette to set the
backgroundPattern of the rectangle to your imported
pattern
- group the rectangle > 'Bar'
- set the margins of group "Bar" to 0
- set the lockLocation of group "Bar" to true
- move the group behind the field
- set the field's opaque to false
Now a few more steps are needed to make it scroll
well:
- set the script of the field to :
  on scrollbarDrag
    set the scroll of group "Bar" to the scroll of me
  end scrollbarDrag
  on InitBkgnd
    put the rect of graphic "Foo" into tBgRect
    put the formattedHeight of me into tHeight
    add (tHeight - item 4 of tRect - item 2 of tRect)
\
        to item 4 of tRect
  end InitBkgnd
- and use the message box to :
  set the scroll of grp "Bar" to 1
  set the scroll of fld "List" to 1
  send "InitBkgnd" to fld "List"

You may have to fiddle some positions a bit with
respect to the field margins, and you'll have to make
sure the list field has a fixed line height.

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

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From valetia at mac.com  Tue Feb 25 12:14:01 2003
From: valetia at mac.com (valetia at mac.com)
Date: Tue Feb 25 12:14:01 2003
Subject: iTunes-type alternate colored lines in scrolling list field
In-Reply-To: <20030225164958.73305.qmail@web11905.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BA81E09E.2018B%valetia@mac.com>

> There are two ways to go, depending on what you want.
> 1) if you're okay with 'line-per-line' scrolling of
> your field, you can simply:

Thanks Jan, will try it out! :-) You're really good at things to do with
scrolling fields! :D

Valetia



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Tue Feb 25 13:10:00 2003
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Tue Feb 25 13:10:00 2003
Subject: Rough day on the Revolution front
In-Reply-To: <BA7E8366.6E69%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <BA816018.622D%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

on 23/2/03 9:55 pm, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote

> I have a 128mb CF card in the PCMCIA slot as a formatted volume assigned to
> Virtual Memory, which gives it 116mb useable VM. I've heard the transfer
> rates of those things are pokey.

I don't know how this helps (I don't think it does!) but using CompactFlash
for VM is horrible.  Flash memory is fast to read, but s-l-o-w to write.
You might actually do better to use the hard disk for VM (and if necessary
move stuff like the Rev docs to Flash if that helps makes space).
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866




From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Tue Feb 25 13:47:00 2003
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Tue Feb 25 13:47:00 2003
Subject: Combo-box/popup menu in a list field?
In-Reply-To: <BA7C5982.1FC99%valetia@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BA81699A.6235%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

on 21/2/03 12:32 pm, valetia at mac.com wrote

> Your method sounds exactly like what I had actually tried to accomplish
> (display a popup at a specific location per line).
> 
> However, I did run into a problem (still unsolved) that perhaps you know the
> answer to.
> 
> It's also why I had posted an earlier message (to which there have not been
> any replies) regarding the strange behavior of clickChunk with list fields.
> 
> Here's what I had posted in that earlier message:
> 
> "When the listBehavior of a field is set to true, it seems the clickChunk
> returns the hilitedLine instead...(could this be a bug?)
> 
> "How do you get the "actual" clickChunk then?"
> 
> So a related question would be, with the method you just described, do you
> use the clickChunk to determine the location of the click, or something
> else?

HI Valetia

Sorry I've only just read your reply.  This list is very active and I often
skip chunks altogether....

When I've done this, I've not made use of the clickChunk.  I can't swear
that I've done it with a field who's listBehaviour is set to true. But to
give you an idea, here's a handler from a field where I'm currently doing
something like this.

It just so happens that in this case my list has three sections to each row,
and I'm using tabs to format it; and I only want the menu to appear when the
user clicks in the third column.  The actual code in this case is:

    on mouseDown
      put word 2 of the clickLine into n
      put the clickH - the left of me into xPix
      put the tabStops of me into tStops
      if xPix > item 2 of tStops then
        setFieldNewNameD n
      end if
    end mouseDown

...where 'setFieldNewNameD' happens to be handler in the card script when
ends up by using the popup command to popup a menu button.  So in this case
I am actually using 'click-family functions', which might or might not give
the right results if the field listBehaviour was set to true; but I think
the real point is that this is doing some pixel level calculations, to work
out what bit of data the user is operating on.

In another project, I'm pretty certain that I actually created an array (or
was it a custom property of the field?) at the time that I format the text
to put into the field, precisely so that when the user clicks somewhere on
it I'd be able to do a quick calculation to work out what chunks _in my
terms_ the user had clicked on.

Does that help?  I'm not really sure if it's clear - if you're still having
trouble (and you may in any case have solved your problem by now) come back
to me if you want more explanation.
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866




From valetia at mac.com  Tue Feb 25 14:38:01 2003
From: valetia at mac.com (valetia at mac.com)
Date: Tue Feb 25 14:38:01 2003
Subject: Combo-box/popup menu in a list field?
In-Reply-To: <BA81699A.6235%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <BA82024E.201D5%valetia@mac.com>

Hi Ben,

> Sorry I've only just read your reply.  This list is very active and I often
> skip chunks altogether....

No problem at all! :-)

> When I've done this, I've not made use of the clickChunk.  I can't swear
> that I've done it with a field who's listBehaviour is set to true. But to
> give you an idea, here's a handler from a field where I'm currently doing
> something like this.

I've just tested it and yes it does indeed work when the listBehavior is set
to true...thanks!! :-)

Valetia



From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Tue Feb 25 16:58:01 2003
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Tue Feb 25 16:58:01 2003
Subject: OSX stripey dialogs/sheets solved
In-Reply-To: <9A4EDDA2-48AC-11D7-904E-000393AEC28C@unimelb.edu.au>
Message-ID: <A1694DAC-490B-11D7-97B2-000393AEC28C@unimelb.edu.au>


On Tuesday, February 25, 2003, at 09:33 PM, Terry Judd wrote:

>
> Ello - I know this has been covered before (more than once) but can 
> anyone reiterate the steps required to get that 'stripey' window 
> background on OSX?
>
> TIA
>
> Terry...

Found what I was looking for in a search of the archives. For anyone 
else that is interested the solution (courtesy of Scott Raney - who 
should know) is as follows...

You need to make sure that the backColor and backPixmap for the card,
stack, and all other stacks in the hierarchy (i.e., a mainstack and/or
the Home stack) are set to empty.  The same rule applies if you want
to use the system background color on Win32 systems.
   Regards,
     Scott

 > 		Greg

********************************************************
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MetaCard: You know, there's an easier way to do that...




>
> Dr Terry Judd
> Biomedical Multimedia Unit
> Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
> The University of Melbourne
> Parkville VIC 3052
> AUSTRALIA
>
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From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 25 17:33:01 2003
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (erik hansen)
Date: Tue Feb 25 17:33:01 2003
Subject: variables and objects
In-Reply-To: <20030224185742.41863.qmail@web11903.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030225222918.6833.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
> --- "Ivers, Doug E" <Doug_Ivers at lord.com>
> wrote:
> > Seems that all user-created variables are
> character
> > strings.  Is target also a character string,
> or is
> > it something more sophisticated (like a
> pointer in
> > C)?  Same question for this card, recent
> card, this
> > stack, etc.
> > 
> > Are these statements the same in the way they
> work
> > "behind the scenes"?
> >      answer the id of this card
> >      get the long name of this card; 
> >      answer the id of it

> All variables are indeed character strings ;
> including
> 'the target' ; however, the engine recognises
> certain
> keywords and can grab the data without having
> to parse
> the content of the variable first ; so in your
> example, "the id of this card" will work faster
> than
> "the id of it" because the engine grabs it
> directly.

the engine grabs <it> or grabs "this card"?

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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Feb 25 17:50:01 2003
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue Feb 25 17:50:01 2003
Subject: Always On Top
References: <a05200a1aba8023accd81@[192.168.123.102]> <003e01c2dc47$cf1d7c40$6401a8c0@vwildman>
Message-ID: <002001c2dd20$0fe8c440$6f00a8c0@mckinley.dom>

Vincent,

Revolution doesn't naturally do that, but I've got something I'm working
on that can help with this... can you email me off-list and let me know
how soon you need this capability and I'll see what I can do...

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Vincent Wildman" <v.wildman at btinternet.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 3:00 PM
Subject: Always On Top


> I am writing a Timer function in a Win 9x environment that needs to be
> always on top of any other programs used so that users can monitor
their
> internet connection.
>
> Can this be done as I have looked through the documentation and can't
find
> anything that would help.
>
> Best regards
>
> Vincent Wildman
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From jhurley at infostations.com  Tue Feb 25 18:17:01 2003
From: jhurley at infostations.com (Jim Hurley)
Date: Tue Feb 25 18:17:01 2003
Subject: I quote, therefore I am
In-Reply-To: <200302242332.SAA00453@www.runrev.com>
References: <200302242332.SAA00453@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05010400ba81a6c5771f@[66.81.32.137]>

>Richard Gaskin wrote:
>
>Here's a lil' gem that's radically simplified a lot of my code:
>
>function q s
>   return quote& s &quote
>end q
>
>
>To call it:
>
>   put "I said, "& q("Let's go!")
>
>...as opposed to:
>
>   put "I said, "& quote&"Let's go!"&quote
>
>A small improvement, but a but more pleasing to the tired eye. :)
>


I find this nifty as hell. A lil' gem indeed. To take revenge on my 
struggles with quotes in the past I wrote:

on mouseUP
   put "I quote, therefore I am." into tMessage
   repeat 8 times
     put q(tMessage) into tMessage
   end repeat
   put  tMessage into field 1
end mouseUP


function q s
   return quote& s &quote
end q

And in field  1 I took some perverse satisfaction in finding: 
""""""""I quote, therefore I am.""""""""

Jim


From ttasovac at princeton.edu  Tue Feb 25 19:12:01 2003
From: ttasovac at princeton.edu (Toma Tasovac)
Date: Tue Feb 25 19:12:01 2003
Subject: highlighted text and quicktime sound files 
Message-ID: <BE19B0FE-491D-11D7-806B-000393D60E0C@princeton.edu>

i have a question about the extent to which revolution can communicate 
with quicktime on both mac and windows.

i have a text field and a prerecorded quicktime sound file of the text 
in the text field.  i would like to have the text highlighted sentence 
by sentence as the sound file is being played.  the pedestrian way 
would be to divide the sound file in many smaller files, one for each 
sentence,  but i wonder if there is another way, in which revolution 
could tell the quicktime player which portion of the sound file to play 
as individual sentences get highlighted.

what would be the most efficient way to both divide (or mark) the 
quicktime sound files and make revolution interact with those portions?

all best,
T.
________________________________
Toma Tasovac
Princeton University
Department of Comparative Literature
91 Prospect Avenue
Princeton, NJ 08544
USA

ttasovac at princeton.edu
ttasovac at post.harvard.edu



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Feb 25 19:27:01 2003
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue Feb 25 19:27:01 2003
Subject: highlighted text and quicktime sound files 
In-Reply-To: <BE19B0FE-491D-11D7-806B-000393D60E0C@princeton.edu>
Message-ID: <BA814920.645A%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, "Toma Tasovac"  wrote:

> i have a text field and a prerecorded quicktime sound file of the text
> in the text field.  i would like to have the text highlighted sentence
> by sentence as the sound file is being played.  the pedestrian way
> would be to divide the sound file in many smaller files, one for each
> sentence,  but i wonder if there is another way, in which revolution
> could tell the quicktime player which portion of the sound file to play
> as individual sentences get highlighted.
> 
> what would be the most efficient way to both divide (or mark) the
> quicktime sound files and make revolution interact with those portions?

First, note the specific times that correspond to the speaking of each word
in the sound file and store these times (in a property of the field, the
player, your stack, or wherever).  When each word is clicked, set the
currentTime of your player to the corresponding time and start the player.

You may be able to use the startTime and endTime properties to limit the
playback time of the player, depending on how your player is set up.

See the following in the docs:
- timeScale
- currentTime
- playSelection
- startTime
- endTime

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
E: scott at tactilemedia.com
W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 26 00:58:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Wed Feb 26 00:58:01 2003
Subject: variables and objects
In-Reply-To: <20030225222918.6833.qmail@web20008.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030226055450.6839.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com>

--- erik hansen <erikhans08 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> --- Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > --- "Ivers, Doug E" <Doug_Ivers at lord.com>
> > wrote:
> > > Seems that all user-created variables are
> > character
> > > strings.  Is target also a character string,
> > or is
> > > it something more sophisticated (like a
> > pointer in
> > > C)?  Same question for this card, recent
> > card, this
> > > stack, etc.
> > > 
> > > Are these statements the same in the way they
> > work
> > > "behind the scenes"?
> > >      answer the id of this card
> > >      get the long name of this card; 
> > >      answer the id of it
> 
> > All variables are indeed character strings ;
> > including
> > 'the target' ; however, the engine recognises
> > certain
> > keywords and can grab the data without having
> > to parse
> > the content of the variable first ; so in your
> > example, "the id of this card" will work faster
> > than
> > "the id of it" because the engine grabs it
> > directly.
> 
> the engine grabs <it> or grabs "this card"?
> 

Hi Erik,

You're right, that was a bit less-than-stellar choice
of words upon review.

"answer the id of this card" takes the engine a single
step to retrieve the ID.

"get the long name of this card; answer the id of it"
actually takes 5 steps :
1) retrieve the long name of this card
2) stuff it down the special variable 'it'
3) retrieve the content of the special variable 'it'
4) parse that content for an object reference
5) retrieve the id of said object

"put the long name of this card into tLongName ;
answer the id of tLongName" would have been the
slowest variant, because the engine recognises the
special variable 'it' and doesn't have to dig through
memory references to find out which bit of RAM you're
referring to.

This sort of information can be used to optimise
performance of certain key areas of your program. One
example of this is the recent thread on imageData
manipulation, where the re-use of local variables
instead of reading the imageData again and again,
turned an effect from sluggish to smooth.

Then again, the point is moot if your program does
what it has to do and runs at acceptable speeds on
your machine.

Hope this cleared a few things up,

Jan Schenkel.

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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 26 01:05:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Wed Feb 26 01:05:01 2003
Subject: iTunes-type alternate colored lines in scrolling list field
In-Reply-To: <BA81E09E.2018B%valetia@mac.com>
Message-ID: <20030226060142.87611.qmail@web11905.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "valetia at mac.com" <valetia at mac.com> wrote:
> > There are two ways to go, depending on what you
> want.
> > 1) if you're okay with 'line-per-line' scrolling
> of
> > your field, you can simply:
> 
> Thanks Jan, will try it out! :-) You're really good
> at things to do with
> scrolling fields! :D
> 
> Valetia
> 

Well, I use list field a lot in my stacks. I actually
have a few more tricks up my sleeve for those, and I'm
going through my test-stacks to clean up code and fix
a few issues. The plan is to put them on my little
website for you people to reuse :-)

I'll keep you posted,

Jan Schenkel.

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From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 26 02:07:02 2003
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (erik hansen)
Date: Wed Feb 26 02:07:02 2003
Subject: variables and objects
In-Reply-To: <20030226055450.6839.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20030226070319.25024.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
> --- erik hansen <erikhans08 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > --- Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > > --- "Ivers, Doug E" <Doug_Ivers at lord.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Seems that all user-created variables are
> > > character
> > > > strings.  Is target also a character
> string,
> > > or is
> > > > it something more sophisticated (like a
> > > pointer in
> > > > C)?  Same question for this card, recent
> > > card, this
> > > > stack, etc.
> > > > 
> > > > Are these statements the same in the way
> they
> > > work
> > > > "behind the scenes"?
> > > >      answer the id of this card
> > > >      get the long name of this card; 
> > > >      answer the id of it
> > 
> > > All variables are indeed character strings
> ;
> > > including
> > > 'the target' ; however, the engine
> recognises
> > > certain
> > > keywords and can grab the data without
> having
> > > to parse
> > > the content of the variable first ; so in
> your
> > > example, "the id of this card" will work
> faster
> > > than
> > > "the id of it" because the engine grabs it
> > > directly.
> > 
> > the engine grabs <it> or grabs "this card"?
> > 
> 
> Hi Erik,
> 
> You're right, that was a bit less-than-stellar
> choice
> of words upon review.
> 
> "answer the id of this card" takes the engine a
> single
> step to retrieve the ID.
> 
> "get the long name of this card; answer the id
> of it"
> actually takes 5 steps :
> 1) retrieve the long name of this card
> 2) stuff it down the special variable 'it'
> 3) retrieve the content of the special variable
> 'it'
> 4) parse that content for an object reference
> 5) retrieve the id of said object
> 
> "put the long name of this card into tLongName
> ;
> answer the id of tLongName" would have been the
> slowest variant, because the engine recognises
> the
> special variable 'it' and doesn't have to dig
> through
> memory references to find out which bit of RAM
> you're
> referring to.
> 
> This sort of information can be used to
> optimise
> performance of certain key areas of your
> program. One
> example of this is the recent thread on
> imageData
> manipulation, where the re-use of local
> variables
> instead of reading the imageData again and
> again,
> turned an effect from sluggish to smooth.
> 
> Then again, the point is moot if your program
> does
> what it has to do and runs at acceptable speeds
> on
> your machine.
> 
> Hope this cleared a few things up,
> 
> Jan Schenkel.
> 

thanks this is good to know.

i felt like a little snot as soon as i clicked on
the send button. the nice thing about paper and
calligraphy pens was that you put the letter in a
drawer over night, then decided whether you
really wanted to inflict it on the world.

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From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Wed Feb 26 03:10:01 2003
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed Feb 26 03:10:01 2003
Subject: Rough day on the Revolution front
In-Reply-To: <FB0EC54E-4813-11D7-9CC1-000393529642@arcplanning.com>
Message-ID: <2D050F04-4961-11D7-95A6-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com>

But with only 48mb of memory, if he doesn't have virtual memory on, he 
won't get anywhere trying to run the development environment.

On Monday, February 24, 2003, at 08:21 AM, Alex Rice wrote:

> The VM system on Mac OS (before X) is terrible. From my days doing 
> tech support for an ISP, I remember once of the first things to try 
> when a Mac is acting wonky is to *turn off* virtual memory.
>

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com



From michael-kristensen at dsa-net.dk  Wed Feb 26 04:34:01 2003
From: michael-kristensen at dsa-net.dk (Michael Kristensen)
Date: Wed Feb 26 04:34:01 2003
Subject: OSX stripey dialogs/sheets solved
In-Reply-To: <200302260712.CAA23018@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <B421449C-496C-11D7-B323-0050E405EA7D@dsa-net.dk>

>
> You need to make sure that the backColor and backPixmap for the card,
> stack, and all other stacks in the hierarchy (i.e., a mainstack and/or
> the Home stack) are set to empty.  The same rule applies if you want
> to use the system background color on Win32 systems.
>    Regards,
>      Scott
>


Hi there

Tried this in a button on the mainstack (the only stack):

on mouseUp
   set the backcolor of this stack to empty
   set the backPixmap of this stack to empty
   set the backcolor of this card to empty
   set the backPixmap of this card to empty
end mouseUp

Nothing happend

What is wrong?

OSX 10.2.4

Kind regards
Michael Kristensen



From curry at pair.com  Wed Feb 26 04:55:01 2003
From: curry at pair.com (curry)
Date: Wed Feb 26 04:55:01 2003
Subject: replication problems
In-Reply-To: <200302260711.CAA22941@www.runrev.com>
References: <200302260711.CAA22941@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05111b00ba823d96e476@[68.86.45.226]>

As of pre-beta, the Replication feature still doesn't work right when 
replicating a group--controls are not placed correctly.

Thanks,

Curry


From k_major at os.surf2000.de  Wed Feb 26 06:55:03 2003
From: k_major at os.surf2000.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed Feb 26 06:55:03 2003
Subject: OSX stripey dialogs/sheets solved
In-Reply-To: <B421449C-496C-11D7-B323-0050E405EA7D@dsa-net.dk>
Message-ID: <C58F07A4-4980-11D7-AE8E-000A27B49A96@os.surf2000.de>

Hi Michael and all,

>> You need to make sure that the backColor and backPixmap for the card,
>> stack, and all other stacks in the hierarchy (i.e., a mainstack and/or
>> the Home stack) are set to empty.  The same rule applies if you want
>> to use the system background color on Win32 systems.
>>    Regards,
>>      Scott
>
> Hi there
> Tried this in a button on the mainstack (the only stack):
> on mouseUp
>   set the backcolor of this stack to empty
>   set the backPixmap of this stack to empty
>   set the backcolor of this card to empty
>   set the backPixmap of this card to empty
> end mouseUp
>
> Nothing happend
> What is wrong?
> OSX 10.2.4
>
> Kind regards
> Michael Kristensen

looks like the gray-striped OS X background is ONLY available
for palette, modal and modeless window-styles.

NOT with toplevel... Sorry...

You'll have to fake that with a small image of that bg and set the 
bg-pattern
to that image...


Regards


Klaus Major
k_major at os.surf2000.de



From k_major at os.surf2000.de  Wed Feb 26 06:55:38 2003
From: k_major at os.surf2000.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed Feb 26 06:55:38 2003
Subject: highlighted text and quicktime sound files 
In-Reply-To: <BA814920.645A%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <C7D96CD0-4980-11D7-AE8E-000A27B49A96@os.surf2000.de>

Hi Toma,

(wie geht's ? ;-)

> Recently, "Toma Tasovac"  wrote:
>
>> i have a text field and a prerecorded quicktime sound file of the text
>> in the text field.  i would like to have the text highlighted sentence
>> by sentence as the sound file is being played.  the pedestrian way
>> would be to divide the sound file in many smaller files, one for each
>> sentence,  but i wonder if there is another way, in which revolution
>> could tell the quicktime player which portion of the sound file to 
>> play
>> as individual sentences get highlighted.
>> what would be the most efficient way to both divide (or mark) the
>> quicktime sound files and make revolution interact with those 
>> portions?

As Scott noticed, the best way may be to let RR do the actions, but you 
will
have to tell RR when and what to do...

This might a case for (daa da datdat) "the callbacks".

> First, note the specific times that correspond to the speaking of each 
> word
> in the sound file and store these times (in a property of the field, 
> the
> player, your stack, or wherever).  When each word is clicked, set the
> currentTime of your player to the corresponding time and start the 
> player.
>
> You may be able to use the startTime and endTime properties to limit 
> the
> playback time of the player, depending on how your player is set up.
>
> See the following in the docs:
> - timeScale
> - currentTime
> - playSelection
> - startTime
> - endTime
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design

to get you started with this topic you can take a look at the 
usercontrib-section
of the RR website. Search for "The mistery of the callbacks" stack of 
me :-)

Hope that helps...

Regards


Klaus Major
k_major at os.surf2000.de



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Wed Feb 26 09:42:48 2003
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Wed Feb 26 09:42:48 2003
Subject: newbies:  beware script locals
In-Reply-To: <E08533A454364A4C8B395EA007D1F423097757@ntsrvcrd04.main.lord.com>
Message-ID: <BA826E2B.62B2%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

on 2/21/03 2:09 PM, Ivers, Doug E wrote

> I love script locals, those local declarations at the top of your script
> outside of all handlers:
> 
> local myLocalVariable
>
> [...snip...]
> 
> I use them a lot in my top level script.  They are great because I don't have
> to declare them in each handler and they are "safer" than globals, if you know
> what I mean.
> 
> The caution is that whenever you edit the script, the value of the local goes
> away.

Yep - specifically, when the script is recompiled, the values of the locals
are reset to global.

I love them too, so I put up with this.  I use one of two strategies to deal
with this problem:

    * either make them self healing - eg if the use of the local is to hold
a calculated value which takes a bit of work to calculate, and is then more
or less a constant, I have a handler to "ensure they're set", which all
applicable routines invoke in set up.  This takes care of initialisation
when the stack opens or whatever; and also heals, with a small time penalty,
when I edit the script during development

    * or, having made sure that the names are unambiguous (eg
"myLocalVariable", or using some prefix or suffix convention that suits you)
I simply make them global during development.  So I have declarations at the
top of a script as apparently contradictory as
    global locOneThing, locAnotherThing
It's only one word to change when I think I've finished mucking about.  And
during development it's also sometimes helpful because you can inspect the
value in the message box.
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866




From mazzapaolo at libero.it  Wed Feb 26 11:46:01 2003
From: mazzapaolo at libero.it (paolo mazza)
Date: Wed Feb 26 11:46:01 2003
Subject: icon  standalone application on MacOSX
In-Reply-To: <BA81C840.20162%valetia@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7839A14A-49A8-11D7-8236-0003936FFEAC@libero.it>

Thanks for help.  Iconographer is great.  It works with files from 
Revolution.
It is nice to know that this command will be included in Rev.2.0

Ciao, Paolo


Marted?, 25 Feb 2003, alle 16:26 Europe/Rome, valetia at mac.com ha 
scritto:

>> How  can I set an icon for a standalone application on MacOSX?
>> Using the application builder of Revolution I can set an icon only for
>> Windows standalones?
>> What about Mac?
>
> Try Iconographer:
>
> http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=11842&db=mac
>
> Valetia
>
>
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> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From ttasovac at princeton.edu  Wed Feb 26 12:14:00 2003
From: ttasovac at princeton.edu (Toma Tasovac)
Date: Wed Feb 26 12:14:00 2003
Subject: highlighted text and quicktime sound files
In-Reply-To: <BA814920.645A%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <8E0000AB-49AC-11D7-806B-000393D60E0C@princeton.edu>

Many thanks, Scott and Klaus.

Ich hab das Gef?hl, dass Klaus einen "User Contribution Stack" f?r jede 
Frage hat, die ich ihm je vorlegen k?nnte!!! :)

All best,

Toma


On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 01:24  AM, Scott Rossi wrote:

> First, note the specific times that correspond to the speaking of each 
> word
> in the sound file and store these times (in a property of the field, 
> the
> player, your stack, or wherever).  When each word is clicked, set the
> currentTime of your player to the corresponding time and start the 
> player.
>
> You may be able to use the startTime and endTime properties to limit 
> the
> playback time of the player, depending on how your player is set up.
>
> See the following in the docs:
> - timeScale
> - currentTime
> - playSelection
> - startTime
> - endTime
>
________________________________
Toma Tasovac
Princeton University
Department of Comparative Literature
91 Prospect Avenue
Princeton, NJ 08544
USA

ttasovac at princeton.edu
ttasovac at post.harvard.edu



From k_major at os.surf2000.de  Wed Feb 26 12:28:01 2003
From: k_major at os.surf2000.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed Feb 26 12:28:01 2003
Subject: highlighted text and quicktime sound files
In-Reply-To: <8E0000AB-49AC-11D7-806B-000393D60E0C@princeton.edu>
Message-ID: <5EE7FF76-49AF-11D7-AE8E-000A27B49A96@os.surf2000.de>

Hi Toma,

> Many thanks, Scott and Klaus.
>
> Ich hab das Gef?hl, dass Klaus einen "User Contribution Stack" f?r 
> jede Frage hat, die ich ihm je vorlegen k?nnte!!! :)

For the "not german speaking" folks:

Toma has got the feeling that i have a "User Contribution Stack" for 
every question he might ever ask me ;-)

:-D


Thanks for your confidence...

> All best,
>
> Toma

Regards

Klaus Major
k_major at os.surf2000.de


From wmb at internettrainer.com  Wed Feb 26 13:13:01 2003
From: wmb at internettrainer.com (Wolfgang M. Bereuter)
Date: Wed Feb 26 13:13:01 2003
Subject: icon  standalone application on MacOSX
In-Reply-To: <7839A14A-49A8-11D7-8236-0003936FFEAC@libero.it>
Message-ID: <7BDD91E6-49B5-11D7-8584-003065430226@internettrainer.com>

On Mittwoch, Februar 26, 2003, at 05:36  Uhr, paolo mazza wrote:

> Iconographer is great.  It works with files from Revolution.
Hello paolo,
what does this mean:  It works with files from Revolution?
What did you do with Iconographer and rev files?

regards
Wolfgang M. Bereuter

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From pixelbird at interisland.net  Wed Feb 26 14:08:11 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Wed Feb 26 14:08:11 2003
Subject: Rough day on the Revolution front
In-Reply-To: <200302260711.CAA22901@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA8250B5.6F38%pixelbird@interisland.net>

**********
> Subject: Re: Rough day on the Revolution front
> From: Ben Rubinstein <benr_mc at cogapp.com>
>
> on 23/2/03 9:55 pm, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote
> 
>> I have a 128mb CF card in the PCMCIA slot as a formatted volume assigned to
>> Virtual Memory, which gives it 116mb useable VM. I've heard the transfer
>> rates of those things are pokey.
> 
> I don't know how this helps (I don't think it does!) but using CompactFlash
> for VM is horrible.  Flash memory is fast to read, but s-l-o-w to write.
> You might actually do better to use the hard disk for VM (and if necessary
> move stuff like the Rev docs to Flash if that helps makes space).
----------
The HD is quite full. Still it shows that it can use enough to come up with
96mb total RAM (I think), which apparently isn't enough to run RR. If I open
the docs it crashes. With the CF card as RAM it doesn't, i.e., it just
slowwwws down. The CF card is all that's standing between an operable system
and a total stall.

The problems don't get bad until I open the docs. If I moved them to the
flash card, I think it might remain the same.

OTOH, I'd like to try that, but what will happen if I drag the docs folder
out of Rev and put it on the CF card?

Best regards,
Ken N.



From dvk at dvkconsult.com.au  Wed Feb 26 16:37:07 2003
From: dvk at dvkconsult.com.au (David Vaughan)
Date: Wed Feb 26 16:37:07 2003
Subject: use-revolution digest, Vol 1 #1154 - 7 msgs
In-Reply-To: <200302261701.MAA08307@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <5FD6E7A6-49D0-11D7-8A38-000393598038@dvkconsult.com.au>

>
> From: Ben Rubinstein <benr_mc at cogapp.com>
> Date: Thu Feb 27, 2003  00:17:41 Australia/Sydney
> To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: newbies:  beware script locals
> Reply-To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>
>
> on 2/21/03 2:09 PM, Ivers, Doug E wrote
>
>> I love script locals, those local declarations at the top of your 
>> script
>> outside of all handlers:
>>
>> local myLocalVariable
>>
>> [...snip...]
>>
>> I use them a lot in my top level script.  They are great because I 
>> don't have
>> to declare them in each handler and they are "safer" than globals, if 
>> you know
>> what I mean.
>>
>> The caution is that whenever you edit the script, the value of the 
>> local goes
>> away.
>
> Yep - specifically, when the script is recompiled, the values of the 
> locals
> are reset to global.
snip
>     * either make them self healing - eg if the use of the local is to 
> hold
> a calculated value which takes a bit of work to calculate, and is then 
> more
> or less a constant, I have a handler to "ensure they're set",
snip
>     * or, having made sure that the names are unambiguous ... I simply 
> make them global during development.

I personally find this a strange discussion. Firstly, I would rather be 
warning newbies if local variables did *not* lose their value on 
recompilation, and secondly, why write code to emulate some features of 
custom properties when you can use them directly? If you need that 
millisecond of speed by which access to a local is faster than to a 
custom prop then use your startup, preopen or open handler to populate 
the script locals from the custom properties, and save back the values 
at end, to cater for changes. Through use of custom props, script 
locals and ordinary variables, I have been able to relegate globals to 
very rare usage, when you actually want a non-persistent entirely 
global variable. Rev is quite rich in scoping and persistence options.

regards
David
>
>   Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
>   Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
>   http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866
>



From alrice at arcplanning.com  Wed Feb 26 16:43:00 2003
From: alrice at arcplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Wed Feb 26 16:43:00 2003
Subject: icon  standalone application on MacOSX
In-Reply-To: <7BDD91E6-49B5-11D7-8584-003065430226@internettrainer.com>
Message-ID: <BD47BC76-49D2-11D7-9F65-000393529642@arcplanning.com>

On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 11:09  AM, Wolfgang M. Bereuter 
wrote:

>
> On Mittwoch, Februar 26, 2003, at 05:36  Uhr, paolo mazza wrote:
>
>> Iconographer is great.  It works with files from Revolution.
> Hello paolo,
> what does this mean:  It works with files from Revolution?
> What did you do with Iconographer and rev files?

I think Iconographer can add an icon into the resource fork of a 
Revolution compiled app. BTW then I think you are still stuck with the 
get-info material that Rev has put into the compiled app. But at least 
you have a new icon.

The way I was describing is different- to create an actual actual 
application bundle (a folder ending in .app). I think is what Rev 2.0 
will do as well.

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From alrice at arcplanning.com  Wed Feb 26 16:49:01 2003
From: alrice at arcplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Wed Feb 26 16:49:01 2003
Subject: T-Shirts competition
In-Reply-To: <BA7FF6AA.D357%heather@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <A5A0A534-49D3-11D7-9F65-000393529642@arcplanning.com>

On Monday, February 24, 2003, at 09:19  AM, Heather Williams wrote:

> Thank you all for the t-shirt entries. Officially the competition ends
> today, but if you've still got an entry you'd like to send in, it's 
> not too
> late for the next few days. We've begun the preliminary screening :-) 
> Got
> some great creative minds on this list.

Are you going to share the entries publicly? I would love to see what 
concepts people created.

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Feb 26 17:19:01 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed Feb 26 17:19:01 2003
Subject: use-revolution digest, Vol 1 #1154 - 7 msgs
In-Reply-To: <5FD6E7A6-49D0-11D7-8A38-000393598038@dvkconsult.com.au>
Message-ID: <BA827C7F.273AB%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

David Vaughan wrote:

> I personally find this a strange discussion. Firstly, I would rather be
> warning newbies if local variables did *not* lose their value on
> recompilation, and secondly, why write code to emulate some features of
> custom properties when you can use them directly? If you need that
> millisecond of speed by which access to a local is faster than to a
> custom prop then use your startup, preopen or open handler to populate
> the script locals from the custom properties, and save back the values
> at end, to cater for changes. Through use of custom props, script
> locals and ordinary variables, I have been able to relegate globals to
> very rare usage, when you actually want a non-persistent entirely
> global variable. Rev is quite rich in scoping and persistence options.

<OCD mode>

Benchmarking the difference between local vars and custom props with RevBnch
(downloadable from <http://www.fourthworld.com/rev/>), here's the results:

SCRIPT 1
  put "value" into tMyVar
  get tMyVar

  0.0002 ticks per iteration


SCRIPT2
  set the uMyProp of this cd to "value"
  get the uMyProp of this cd

  0.0008 ticks per iteration

So while using local vars is about 75% faster, the real-world difference in
runtime execution is trivial compared to the cost savings in developmewnt
time that can be had by binding data to objects.

To be honest, the Rev/MC engine is so darn fast that I rarely do this sort
of comparative benchmarking anymore, as I often find -- as with this case --
that the runtime differences are negliible.

</OCD mode>
-- 
 Richard Gaskin 
 Fourth World Media Corporation
 Developer of WebMerge 2.2: Publish any database on any site
 ___________________________________________________________
 Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
 Tel: 323-225-3717                       AIM: FourthWorldInc



From jiml at netrin.com  Wed Feb 26 17:39:01 2003
From: jiml at netrin.com (Jim Lambert)
Date: Wed Feb 26 17:39:01 2003
Subject: highlighted text and quicktime sound files
In-Reply-To: <200302261701.MAA08346@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <NEBBICMMKLOIPMPOLALAEEIHEJAA.jiml@netrin.com>

You might also consider letting QuickTime do the work for you by using
movies with text tracks. Very light. Different kinds of scrolls, etc.

Jim Lambert



From Yennie at aol.com  Wed Feb 26 18:17:01 2003
From: Yennie at aol.com (Yennie at aol.com)
Date: Wed Feb 26 18:17:01 2003
Subject: Linux Requirements?
Message-ID: <3e.2c85deed.2b8ea3ef@aol.com>

Hello,

I'd like to maintain one machine here to test my Rev projects on Linux. I 
already have an extra G4 Powerbook which could handle a PPC Linux version.

Question is- is it worth working with a PPC Linux, or am I better off getting 
a cheap x86 machine? For one, the latest pre-release has a Linux Intel 
distribution available, but not PPC. I can imagine this is right in line with 
demand, so would relying on PPC builds put me behind the curve?

Finally, when it says "Linux Intel", excuse my ignorance, but does that rule 
out any particular flavors of Linux? What about a x86 machine that's not 
Intel?

TIA,
Brian
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From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk  Wed Feb 26 18:20:06 2003
From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel)
Date: Wed Feb 26 18:20:06 2003
Subject: Double-clicking a document in Windows
Message-ID: <p0510030aba82f7b71ae4@[62.30.170.9]>

On  Mon, 24 Feb 2003 11:21:17 -0800 Richard Gaskin 
<ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

>[a lot of wise and interesting stuff about windows management in Windows]


Thanks, Richard, don't know how you find the time to know all this 
stuff! I am pondering it all. Meanwhile I think I can construct my 
app more or less the way I want it for both Mac and Windows, provided 
I simply forget about the possibility of multiple instances - and 
hoping the kids never find out!

In fact I can see a real problem with multiple instances, which is 
where an app not designed to cope with such an issue relies on 
keeping open for writing, a file which has been created for its 
exclusive use. This means that the second instance would simply fail, 
as the 'special' file would already be open when the second 
instantiation took place... however, for me this remains a 
theoretical possibility at present.

Thanks again for your insights

Graham

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------
          Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Feb 26 18:33:02 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed Feb 26 18:33:02 2003
Subject: Linux Requirements?
In-Reply-To: <3e.2c85deed.2b8ea3ef@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BA828DE3.273C8%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

Yennie at aol.com wrote:

> I'd like to maintain one machine here to test my Rev projects on Linux. I
> already have an extra G4 Powerbook which could handle a PPC Linux version.
> 
> Question is- is it worth working with a PPC Linux, or am I better off getting
> a cheap x86 machine? For one, the latest pre-release has a Linux Intel
> distribution available, but not PPC. I can imagine this is right in line with
> demand, so would relying on PPC builds put me behind the curve?
> 
> Finally, when it says "Linux Intel", excuse my ignorance, but does that rule
> out any particular flavors of Linux? What about a x86 machine that's not
> Intel?

I believe it applies for all machines that support the x86 instruction set.

I'm not sure than Scott is committed to maintaining the Linux PPC engine
going forward (did I read that on the MC list?).

But I can toss in my vote for getting a cheap PC:  I just upgraded to Red
Hat 8, and I really like it at lot.  Smooth-as-silk installer, nice UI,
great auto-update system.  And you'll be testing on the most popular Linux
version around.

-- 
 Richard Gaskin 
 Fourth World Media Corporation
 Developer of WebMerge 2.2: Publish any database on any site
 ___________________________________________________________
 Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
 Tel: 323-225-3717                       AIM: FourthWorldInc



From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 26 18:37:00 2003
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (erik hansen)
Date: Wed Feb 26 18:37:00 2003
Subject: use-revolution digest, Vol 1 #1154 - 7 msgs
In-Reply-To: <5FD6E7A6-49D0-11D7-8A38-000393598038@dvkconsult.com.au>
Message-ID: <20030226233320.23147.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com>

--- David Vaughan <dvk at dvkconsult.com.au> wrote:

> Through use of custom props, script 
> locals and ordinary variables, I have been able
> to relegate globals to very rare usage,

when would you use "ordinary variables" instead
of "script locals"? 

> when you actually want a non-persistent
entirely 
> global variable. Rev is quite rich in scoping
> and persistence options.

"persistence" as a programming term is a new one
for me. how would a global variable non-persist?

TIA



=====
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Wed Feb 26 19:10:01 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Wed Feb 26 19:10:01 2003
Subject: Double-clicking a document in Windows
In-Reply-To: <p0510030aba82f7b71ae4@[62.30.170.9]>
Message-ID: <BA82965B.273D5%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

Graham Samuel wrote:

> On  Mon, 24 Feb 2003 11:21:17 -0800 Richard Gaskin
> <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> 
>> [a lot of wise and interesting stuff about windows management in Windows]
> 
> Thanks, Richard, don't know how you find the time to know all this
> stuff!

That's what I hate about Rev:  it lets me do so much that I have to do
waaaaaaay too much reading to keep up with it. :)

> I am pondering it all. Meanwhile I think I can construct my
> app more or less the way I want it for both Mac and Windows, provided
> I simply forget about the possibility of multiple instances - and
> hoping the kids never find out!
> 
> In fact I can see a real problem with multiple instances, which is
> where an app not designed to cope with such an issue relies on
> keeping open for writing, a file which has been created for its
> exclusive use. This means that the second instance would simply fail,
> as the 'special' file would already be open when the second
> instantiation took place... however, for me this remains a
> theoretical possibility at present.

If you keep the file open in the first instance and check for errors when
tryin to open it, the second instance will fail and you can put up a dialog
suggestng they might already have an instance running.

-- 
 Richard Gaskin 
 Fourth World Media Corporation
 Developer of WebMerge 2.2: Publish any database on any site
 ___________________________________________________________
 Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
 Tel: 323-225-3717                       AIM: FourthWorldInc



From jeanne at runrev.com  Wed Feb 26 22:03:02 2003
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Wed Feb 26 22:03:02 2003
Subject: Combo-box/popup menu in a list field?
In-Reply-To: <BA7BBEE9.5FFA%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
References: <BA7B59C3.1FB86%valetia@mac.com>
Message-ID: <v03130303ba80c853f9c4@[10.0.1.2]>

At 3:34 AM -0800 2/21/03, Ben Rubinstein wrote:
>Jeanne - I think this is an area which could be better covered in the docs,
>specifically the entry in the transcript dictionary for the 'popup' command.
>It explains how to popup either a button menu or stack - but doesn't tell
>you where the result of the user's selection ends up.

I'll take a look at this. (You mean just a mention of the menuPick or
mouseDown message being sent to the menu button or stack, right?)

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From dvk at dvkconsult.com.au  Wed Feb 26 22:30:01 2003
From: dvk at dvkconsult.com.au (David Vaughan)
Date: Wed Feb 26 22:30:01 2003
Subject: newbies:  beware script locals
In-Reply-To: <200302270306.WAA21286@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <AE658524-4A01-11D7-8A38-000393598038@dvkconsult.com.au>

>> From: erik hansen <erikhans08 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Through use of custom props, script
>> locals and ordinary variables, I have been able
>> to relegate globals to very rare usage,
>
> when would you use "ordinary variables" instead
> of "script locals"?
>
>> when you actually want a non-persistent
> entirely
>> global variable. Rev is quite rich in scoping
>> and persistence options.
>
> "persistence" as a programming term is a new one
> for me. how would a global variable non-persist?
>
> TIA
>
Erik

Perhaps I used some casual expression. By "ordinary variables" I meant 
those whose whose scope was a single handler (declared or first used 
within it) rather than "script locals" which are declared within a 
script but outside handlers, thus giving them a script-wide scope and 
session persistence - they retain their value until the application is 
closed or the script recompiled.

A global variable nominally has script-wide scope but is also available 
in any other script in which it is also declared, affording it 
application-wide scope. A global has session persistence only, like a 
script local, where a custom property persists through a stack close 
(with save if changed)) and re-open. A custom property can be tied by 
definition to various objects from a control to a stack, which 
nominally suggests an intended scope but in practice they can be 
referenced from anywhere. without any other declaration.

Hope this clarifies my meaning.

regards
David
>
>
> =====
> erik at erikhansen.org    http://www.erikhansen.org



From valetia at mac.com  Wed Feb 26 23:29:01 2003
From: valetia at mac.com (valetia at mac.com)
Date: Wed Feb 26 23:29:01 2003
Subject: How to implement something like "Balloon Help"?
In-Reply-To: <v03130303ba80c853f9c4@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <BA83D03E.20427%valetia@mac.com>

Hey all,

Anyone knows how this can be done with Revolution?

toolTips doesn't support more than one line of text.

Valetia



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb 27 00:03:01 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu Feb 27 00:03:01 2003
Subject: How to implement something like "Balloon Help"?
In-Reply-To: <BA83D03E.20427%valetia@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BA82DB0C.27424%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

valetia at mac.com wrote:

> Anyone knows how this can be done with Revolution?
> 
> toolTips doesn't support more than one line of text.

This was a Mac-specific feature that has been phased out with OS X.

In OS X, Apple has now copied Microsoft in both design and appearance,
opting for a single line of text in a yellow-background popup window.  The
only difference I can see is the name: MS calls them "tooltips", while the
Aqua HIG refers to them as "Help tags":

<http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/Essentials/AquaHIGuidelines/AHIG
Help/chapter_14_section_5.html>

That the new Help tags are more consistent with other operating systems is a
welcome thing for us multi-platform developers, making one less OS-specific
feature to support, and provides a more consistent user experience across
platforms. 

And there may also be a cognitive benefit:  the older Balloon Help
guidelines encouraged longer text and suggested putting them on everything,
which sounds good but in practice can make it hard to sort through the
confusion of balloons to quickly identify non-obvious essentials.

Given the depricated status of Baloon Help, I don't think Rev will be
supporting it.

If your interface could benefit from longer help text, as an alternative you
could display your own borderless palette window of any size you want, or
consider having a section directly in your window for instructions.

Whichever you choose, consider the challenge of needing to hold the mouse
steady while reading the entire text.

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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Feb 27 00:27:01 2003
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu Feb 27 00:27:01 2003
Subject: How to implement something like "Balloon Help"?
References: <BA82DB0C.27424%ambassador@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <028501c2de20$486bf6b0$6601a8c0@LightningFlash>

> If your interface could benefit from longer help text, as an alternative
you
> could display your own borderless palette window of any size you want, or
> consider having a section directly in your window for instructions.

And you can (in Rev 2.0) set the windowShape property to make your palette
window *look* like a balloon (if that is what you want).

Just chiming in,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/



From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Thu Feb 27 00:37:00 2003
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Thu Feb 27 00:37:00 2003
Subject: using keyUp to update a fld's style
In-Reply-To: <B421449C-496C-11D7-B323-0050E405EA7D@dsa-net.dk>
References: <B421449C-496C-11D7-B323-0050E405EA7D@dsa-net.dk>
Message-ID: <a05200f02ba835219f6da@[128.250.196.25]>

Hi all - I'm using a keyUp handler to toggle an editable fld's style 
between plain and scrolling according to it's contents by comparing 
the fld's textHeightSum() and height which all works fine except when 
the return and delete (or backspace) keys are involved. I've tried 
trapping these separately using the returnKey (or whatever) message 
with no apparent result.

Any clues on how best to proceed?
-- 
___________________________________________________________________________
Dr Terry Judd

Biomedical Multimedia Unit
Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
The University of Melbourne
Email: t.judd at bmu.unimelb.edu.au
Phone: 03 9344 0187
Fax: 03 9344 4998
___________________________________________________________________________


From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Thu Feb 27 00:46:01 2003
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Thu Feb 27 00:46:01 2003
Subject: using keyUp to update a fld's style
In-Reply-To: <a05200f02ba835219f6da@[128.250.196.25]>
References: <B421449C-496C-11D7-B323-0050E405EA7D@dsa-net.dk>
 <a05200f02ba835219f6da@[128.250.196.25]>
Message-ID: <a05200f03ba8354d79b5d@[128.250.196.25]>

>Hi all - I'm using a keyUp handler to toggle an editable fld's style 
>between plain and scrolling according to it's contents by comparing 
>the fld's textHeightSum() and height which all works fine except 
>when the return and delete (or backspace) keys are involved. I've 
>tried trapping these separately using the returnKey (or whatever) 
>message with no apparent result.
>
>Any clues on how best to proceed?
>--

Looks like the returnKey problem can be handled via the returnInField message..

on returnInField
   put return after me
   updateStyleStuff
end returnIfField

...however the delete keys remain problematical.

Terry...

>___________________________________________________________________________
>Dr Terry Judd
>
>Biomedical Multimedia Unit
>Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
>The University of Melbourne
>Email: t.judd at bmu.unimelb.edu.au
>Phone: 03 9344 0187
>Fax: 03 9344 4998
>___________________________________________________________________________
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The University of Melbourne
Email: t.judd at bmu.unimelb.edu.au
Phone: 03 9344 0187
Fax: 03 9344 4998
___________________________________________________________________________


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 27 00:47:38 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Thu Feb 27 00:47:38 2003
Subject: using keyUp to update a fld's style
In-Reply-To: <a05200f02ba835219f6da@[128.250.196.25]>
Message-ID: <20030227054241.48010.qmail@web11906.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Terry Judd <tsj at unimelb.edu.au> wrote:
> Hi all - I'm using a keyUp handler to toggle an
> editable fld's style 
> between plain and scrolling according to it's
> contents by comparing 
> the fld's textHeightSum() and height which all works
> fine except when 
> the return and delete (or backspace) keys are
> involved. I've tried 
> trapping these separately using the returnKey (or
> whatever) message 
> with no apparent result.
> 
> Any clues on how best to proceed?
> -- 
> Dr Terry Judd
>

Hi Terry,

Have a look at the entries for the 'rawKeyDown' and
'rawKeyUp' messages in the Transcript Dictionary.

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

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From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Thu Feb 27 00:54:01 2003
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Thu Feb 27 00:54:01 2003
Subject: How to implement something like "Balloon Help"?
In-Reply-To: <028501c2de20$486bf6b0$6601a8c0@LightningFlash>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0302262148480.2772-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Or on mouseEnter display an image that looks like a balloon which hides on
mouseLeave..

Anything overtly stupid about this?

Judy

On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Ken Ray wrote:

> And you can (in Rev 2.0) set the windowShape property to make your palette
> window *look* like a balloon (if that is what you want).



From jtlespoosta at netscape.net  Thu Feb 27 00:59:00 2003
From: jtlespoosta at netscape.net (jtlespoosta at netscape.net)
Date: Thu Feb 27 00:59:00 2003
Subject: Today I can only see a palette window - no stack
Message-ID: <24687613.1BDAC201.4E5283D8@netscape.net>

I have been using Revolution runtime for about one month and have been very pleased to have something like Hypercard on my Windows and Linux systems. 

This morning though I cannot see any of the stacks when I try to open them. What is visible is only one palette window. The stacks do not come visible when I try to open them with Ctrl-O command.

Is there a some sort of user time limit, I have an unregistered version, 
or what should I do? I am going to order a full version of Revolution in about one month's time, after a trip.

Thanks very much for your advice.

- Jorma

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From tsj at unimelb.edu.au  Thu Feb 27 01:03:00 2003
From: tsj at unimelb.edu.au (Terry Judd)
Date: Thu Feb 27 01:03:00 2003
Subject: using keyUp to update a fld's style
In-Reply-To: <20030227054241.48010.qmail@web11906.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20030227054241.48010.qmail@web11906.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <a05200f04ba835963ac3f@[128.250.196.25]>

>--- Terry Judd <tsj at unimelb.edu.au> wrote:
>>  Hi all - I'm using a keyUp handler to toggle an
>>  editable fld's style
>>  between plain and scrolling according to it's
>>  contents by comparing
>>  the fld's textHeightSum() and height which all works
>>  fine except when
>>  the return and delete (or backspace) keys are
>>  involved. I've tried
>>  trapping these separately using the returnKey (or
>>  whatever) message
>>  with no apparent result.
>>
>>  Any clues on how best to proceed?
>>  --
>>  Dr Terry Judd
>>
>
>Hi Terry,
>
>Have a look at the entries for the 'rawKeyDown' and
>'rawKeyUp' messages in the Transcript Dictionary.
>
>Hope this helped,

Indeed it did - thanks Jan!

>Jan Schenkel.

Perfect!!
-- 
___________________________________________________________________________
Dr Terry Judd

Biomedical Multimedia Unit
Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
The University of Melbourne
Email: t.judd at bmu.unimelb.edu.au
Phone: 03 9344 0187
Fax: 03 9344 4998
___________________________________________________________________________


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 27 01:10:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Thu Feb 27 01:10:01 2003
Subject: How to implement something like "Balloon Help"?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0302262148480.2772-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <20030227060636.62769.qmail@web11905.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Judy,

Though there's nothing wrong with it, it does have the
minor downside that it can't display over the 'edges'
of the window, which might be a limitation as it
requires positioning the balloon-image in a way that
doesn't coincide with the guideline of balloons whose
tip is at a relative position to the mouseLoc.

Jan Schenkel.

--- Judy Perry <jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu> wrote:
> Or on mouseEnter display an image that looks like a
> balloon which hides on
> mouseLeave..
> 
> Anything overtly stupid about this?
> 
> Judy
> 
> On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Ken Ray wrote:
> 
> > And you can (in Rev 2.0) set the windowShape
> property to make your palette
> > window *look* like a balloon (if that is what you
> want).
> 
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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 27 01:14:01 2003
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Thu Feb 27 01:14:01 2003
Subject: using keyUp to update a fld's style
In-Reply-To: <a05200f04ba835963ac3f@[128.250.196.25]>
Message-ID: <20030227061047.51379.qmail@web11906.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Terry Judd <tsj at unimelb.edu.au> wrote:
> >--- Terry Judd <tsj at unimelb.edu.au> wrote:
> >>  Hi all - I'm using a keyUp handler to toggle an
> >>  editable fld's style
> >>  between plain and scrolling according to it's
> >>  contents by comparing
> >>  the fld's textHeightSum() and height which all
> works
> >>  fine except when
> >>  the return and delete (or backspace) keys are
> >>  involved. I've tried
> >>  trapping these separately using the returnKey
> (or
> >>  whatever) message
> >>  with no apparent result.
> >>
> >>  Any clues on how best to proceed?
> >>  --
> >>  Dr Terry Judd
> >>
> >
> >Hi Terry,
> >
> >Have a look at the entries for the 'rawKeyDown' and
> >'rawKeyUp' messages in the Transcript Dictionary.
> >
> >Hope this helped,
> 
> Indeed it did - thanks Jan!
> 
> >Jan Schenkel.
> 
> Perfect!!
> -- 
> Dr Terry Judd
> 

In this case, I think you can do it as simple as:

on rawKeyUp pWhichKey
  set the vScrollbar of me to \
     (the formattedHeight of me > the height of me)
  pass rawKeyUp
end rawKeyUp

Hope this helped,

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From erikhans08 at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 27 02:10:01 2003
From: erikhans08 at yahoo.com (erik hansen)
Date: Thu Feb 27 02:10:01 2003
Subject: newbies:  beware script locals
In-Reply-To: <AE658524-4A01-11D7-8A38-000393598038@dvkconsult.com.au>
Message-ID: <20030227070617.94447.qmail@web20005.mail.yahoo.com>

--- David Vaughan <dvk at dvkconsult.com.au> wrote:
> >> From: erik hansen <erikhans08 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Through use of custom props, script
> >> locals and ordinary variables, I have been
> able
> >> to relegate globals to very rare usage,
> >
> > when would you use "ordinary variables"
> instead
> > of "script locals"?
> >
> >> when you actually want a non-persistent
> > entirely
> >> global variable. Rev is quite rich in
> scoping
> >> and persistence options.
> >
> > "persistence" as a programming term is a new
> one
> > for me. how would a global variable
> non-persist?
> >
> > TIA
> >
> Erik
> 
> Perhaps I used some casual expression. By
> "ordinary variables" I meant 
> those whose whose scope was a single handler
> (declared or first used 
> within it) rather than "script locals" which
> are declared within a 
> script but outside handlers, thus giving them a
> script-wide scope and 
> session persistence - they retain their value
> until the application is 
> closed or the script recompiled.
> 
> A global variable nominally has script-wide
> scope but is also available 
> in any other script in which it is also
> declared, affording it 
> application-wide scope. A global has session
> persistence only, like a 
> script local, where a custom property persists
> through a stack close 
> (with save if changed)) and re-open. A custom
> property can be tied by 
> definition to various objects from a control to
> a stack, which 
> nominally suggests an intended scope but in
> practice they can be 
> referenced from anywhere. without any other
> declaration.
> 
> Hope this clarifies my meaning.

yes it does. so you always declare the variable
whether inside or outside the script?
that is what seems to be recommended.

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From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Feb 27 02:27:00 2003
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu Feb 27 02:27:00 2003
Subject: Today I can only see a palette window - no stack
In-Reply-To: <24687613.1BDAC201.4E5283D8@netscape.net>
Message-ID: <ACEELABEAIANJNCEJFMAKEMEDGAA.chipp@chipp.com>

Hi Jorma,

type into the message box...

set the loc of stack "revMenuBar" to the screenloc

that should get you going...sometimes it mysteriously disapears. You can
replicate this anomaly by minimizing Rev, then right-clicking on the Rev
button in the taskbar and selecting Close. Then launch Rev and you'll see
the main stack "revMenubar" missing again.

-Chipp

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of
> jtlespoosta at netscape.net
> Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 11:55 PM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Today I can only see a palette window - no stack
>
>
> I have been using Revolution runtime for about one month and have
> been very pleased to have something like Hypercard on my Windows
> and Linux systems.
>
> This morning though I cannot see any of the stacks when I try to
> open them. What is visible is only one palette window. The stacks
> do not come visible when I try to open them with Ctrl-O command.
>
> Is there a some sort of user time limit, I have an unregistered version,
> or what should I do? I am going to order a full version of
> Revolution in about one month's time, after a trip.
>
> Thanks very much for your advice.
>
> - Jorma
>
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From heather at runrev.com  Thu Feb 27 04:13:10 2003
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Williams)
Date: Thu Feb 27 04:13:10 2003
Subject: T-Shirts competition
In-Reply-To: <200302270306.WAA21373@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA83864C.D5A4%heather@runrev.com>

>> Thank you all for the t-shirt entries. Officially the competition ends
>> today, but if you've still got an entry you'd like to send in, it's
>> not too
>> late for the next few days. We've begun the preliminary screening :-)
>> Got
>> some great creative minds on this list.
> 
> Are you going to share the entries publicly? I would love to see what
> concepts people created.

Certainly. As soon as everyone in the team has had a chance to look and
comment, I will be putting a page up for listmembers to vote on. You all get
to decide which design makes the t-shirt.

Regards,

Heather

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From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Feb 27 04:32:01 2003
From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel)
Date: Thu Feb 27 04:32:01 2003
Subject: Does RR inhibit Mac notifications?
Message-ID: <p05100301ba8387ea1523@[62.30.170.9]>

It appears to me that under MacOS 9.2.2, when Revolution is at the 
front (i.e. when I'm doing Revo development), it appears to suppress 
the classic notification process, where the top right of the menu bar 
flashes to draw one's attention to an action by a background process 
- in my case usually an incoming email (Eudora).

It is awkward for me to test this exhaustively, but does anyone know 
if this is a known bug and if so, if it affects other platforms and 
if it's fixed in 2.0?

TIA

Graham
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From laya at inrets.fr  Thu Feb 27 05:23:00 2003
From: laya at inrets.fr (Olivier Laya)
Date: Thu Feb 27 05:23:00 2003
Subject: Does RR inhibit Mac notifications?
In-Reply-To: <p05100301ba8387ea1523@[62.30.170.9]>
References: <p05100301ba8387ea1523@[62.30.170.9]>
Message-ID: <a05100301ba838e3019af@[137.121.11.95]>

>It appears to me that under MacOS 9.2.2, when Revolution is at the 
>front (i.e. when I'm doing Revo development), it appears to suppress 
>the classic notification process, where the top right of the menu 
>bar flashes to draw one's attention to an action by a background 
>process - in my case usually an incoming email (Eudora).
>
>It is awkward for me to test this exhaustively, but does anyone know 
>if this is a known bug and if so, if it affects other platforms and 
>if it's fixed in 2.0?
>
>TIA
>
>Graham
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>-------------------------------------------------------------------
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Hi,
Same configuration (it seems) for me, but no trouble.

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From dvk at dvkconsult.com.au  Thu Feb 27 06:00:01 2003
From: dvk at dvkconsult.com.au (David Vaughan)
Date: Thu Feb 27 06:00:01 2003
Subject: newbies:  beware script locals
In-Reply-To: <200302270916.EAA29501@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <6652E947-4A40-11D7-8A38-000393598038@dvkconsult.com.au>

On Thursday, Feb 27, 2003, at 20:16 Australia/Sydney, 
use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

>>
>> Hope this clarifies my meaning.
>
> yes it does. so you always declare the variable
> whether inside or outside the script?
> that is what seems to be recommended.

Recommended, probably, but honoured... more in the breach than the 
observance in my case. However, it is good practice and worth also 
looking at the explicitVariables property in the TD.

cheers
David
>
> =====
> erik at erikhansen.org    http://www.erikhansen.org



From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Feb 27 06:22:01 2003
From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel)
Date: Thu Feb 27 06:22:01 2003
Subject: QT movies are driving me crazy
Message-ID: <p05100304ba839e84646b@[62.30.170.9]>

I've got a couple of tiny QT movies, both of which are masked. When I 
put them into RR player objects, one of the movies gets masked 
properly (i.e. the shape of the movie on the screen is the shape of 
the mask rather than a rectangle) and the other one appears in a 
white rectangle which blots out the background objects. The only 
difference I can see between the movies is that the one that doesn't 
work has two video tracks (both separately masked) and the one that 
does work has only one video track. AFAICS from the Quicktime Player 
(5.0.2 for the Mac), the masking is OK outside Revolution.

I can't guess what's wrong and I can't think of a way of finding out. 
I don't have any other tools dedicated to editing or examining QT 
movies.

Any suggestions?

TIA

Graham
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          Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb 27 06:32:01 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu Feb 27 06:32:01 2003
Subject: QT movies are driving me crazy
In-Reply-To: <p05100304ba839e84646b@[62.30.170.9]>
Message-ID: <BA833638.27479%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

Graham Samuel wrote:

> I've got a couple of tiny QT movies, both of which are masked. When I
> put them into RR player objects, one of the movies gets masked
> properly (i.e. the shape of the movie on the screen is the shape of
> the mask rather than a rectangle) and the other one appears in a
> white rectangle which blots out the background objects. The only
> difference I can see between the movies is that the one that doesn't
> work has two video tracks (both separately masked) and the one that
> does work has only one video track. AFAICS from the Quicktime Player
> (5.0.2 for the Mac), the masking is OK outside Revolution.
> 
> I can't guess what's wrong and I can't think of a way of finding out.
> I don't have any other tools dedicated to editing or examining QT
> movies.
> 
> Any suggestions?

Does the second player have its alwaysBuffer property set to true?

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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Thu Feb 27 06:36:02 2003
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Thu Feb 27 06:36:02 2003
Subject: variables and objects
In-Reply-To: <20030226070319.25024.qmail@web20004.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BA83A714.6356%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

on 2/26/03 7:03 AM, erik hansen wrote

> the nice thing about paper and calligraphy pens was that you put the letter in
> a drawer over night, then decided whether you really wanted to inflict it on
> the world.

I write many more emails to this (and other) lists than I ever send.  I've
actually used ResEdit to remove the command key for 'send now' in my mail
client, and move it to 'send later'; and messages to mailing lists I try to
train myself to 'save draft', and then look at them again at the end of the
day or next morning.

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  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
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From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Feb 27 07:05:01 2003
From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel)
Date: Thu Feb 27 07:05:01 2003
Subject: CLUTs
Message-ID: <p05100305ba83ae361474@[62.30.170.9]>

A contact of mine has asked if RR can deal with user-addressable 
CLUTs. I only just understand what this means on the Mac, and don't 
know if it's a cross-platform concept or not. Can anyone clarify 
this, and maybe get RR a new customer?

Graham
-- 
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          Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France


From wmb at internettrainer.com  Thu Feb 27 08:19:05 2003
From: wmb at internettrainer.com (Wolfgang M. Bereuter)
Date: Thu Feb 27 08:19:05 2003
Subject: icon  standalone application on MacOSX
In-Reply-To: <BD47BC76-49D2-11D7-9F65-000393529642@arcplanning.com>
Message-ID: <9CBDD76C-4A55-11D7-8E05-003065430226@internettrainer.com>

On Mittwoch, Februar 26, 2003, at 10:39  Uhr, Alex Rice wrote:

>
> On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 11:09  AM, Wolfgang M. Bereuter 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mittwoch, Februar 26, 2003, at 05:36  Uhr, paolo mazza wrote:
>>
>>> Iconographer is great.  It works with files from Revolution.
>> Hello paolo,
>> what does this mean:  It works with files from Revolution?
>> What did you do with Iconographer and rev files?
>
> I think Iconographer can add an icon into the resource fork of a 
> Revolution compiled app. BTW then I think you are still stuck with the 
> get-info material that Rev has put into the compiled app. But at least 
> you have a new icon.
Thanks Alex I will have a look at this...
>
> The way I was describing is different- to create an actual actual 
> application bundle (a folder ending in .app). I think is what Rev 2.0 
> will do as well.
I thought until now that 2.0 will do it for the Mac like 1.x does for 
Win: with the DB (distribution builder). But with a better resolution 
of course...
I m wrong..?

regards
Wolfgang M. Bereuter

Learn easy with trainingsmaps?

INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter
Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria
...............................
http://www.internettrainer.com, wmb at internettrainer.com
...............................
Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539



From Doug_Ivers at lord.com  Thu Feb 27 08:35:01 2003
From: Doug_Ivers at lord.com (Ivers, Doug E)
Date: Thu Feb 27 08:35:01 2003
Subject: groups listed in overview window
Message-ID: <E08533A454364A4C8B395EA007D1F42318EC6A@ntsrvcrd04.main.lord.com>

Rev 1.1.1 on Mac OS 10.2.3

Why don't ALL the groups in a stack show up under the Groups heading of the Application Overview?


-- D

 


From Doug_Ivers at lord.com  Thu Feb 27 08:40:02 2003
From: Doug_Ivers at lord.com (Ivers, Doug E)
Date: Thu Feb 27 08:40:02 2003
Subject: menu paradigm of Rev/MC and other goofiness  -- like quotes
Message-ID: <E08533A454364A4C8B395EA007D1F42318EC6B@ntsrvcrd04.main.lord.com>

That helps, but look how much easier this is to read and debug:

   put "I said, 'Let's go!'"


-- D



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Gaskin [mailto:ambassador at fourthworld.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 6:27 PM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: menu paradigm of Rev/MC and other goofiness
> 
> 
> Ivers, Doug E wrote:
> 
> > My point is that there are areas of  hypertalk that require 
> more coding and
> > are more prone to errors than should be.  I hope that the 
> MC/Rev developers
> > are open to discussing these topics and providing 
> improvements in the
> > language.
> > 
> > Menus and nested quotes stick out in my mind.
> 
> Here's a lil' gem that's radically simplified a lot of my code:
> 
> function q s
>   return quote& s &quote
> end q
> 
> 
> To call it:
> 
>   put "I said, "& q("Let's go!")
> 
> ...as opposed to:
> 
>   put "I said, "& quote&"Let's go!"&quote
> 
> 
> A small improvement, but a but more pleasing to the tired eye. :)
> 
> -- 
>  Richard Gaskin 


From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb 27 08:48:00 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu Feb 27 08:48:00 2003
Subject: menu paradigm of Rev/MC and other goofiness  -- like quotes
In-Reply-To: <E08533A454364A4C8B395EA007D1F42318EC6B@ntsrvcrd04.main.lord.com>
Message-ID: <BA835649.27496%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

Ivers, Doug E wrote:

>> Here's a lil' gem that's radically simplified a lot of my code:
>> 
>> function q s
>> return quote& s &quote
>> end q
>> 
>> To call it:
>> 
>> put "I said, "& q("Let's go!")
> That helps, but look how much easier this is to read and debug:
> 
> put "I said, 'Let's go!'"

But that would produce non-standard English for a first-level quotation:

  I said, 'Let's go!'

But string display aside, it would be nice to be able to use a single quote
for literals.

-- 
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 Fourth World Media Corporation
 Developer of WebMerge 2.2: Publish any database on any site
 ___________________________________________________________
 Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
 Tel: 323-225-3717                       AIM: FourthWorldInc



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb 27 08:51:01 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu Feb 27 08:51:01 2003
Subject: CLUTs
In-Reply-To: <p05100305ba83ae361474@[62.30.170.9]>
Message-ID: <BA8356F4.27497%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

Graham Samuel wrote:

> A contact of mine has asked if RR can deal with user-addressable
> CLUTs. I only just understand what this means on the Mac, and don't
> know if it's a cross-platform concept or not. Can anyone clarify
> this, and maybe get RR a new customer?

See the entry for the colorMap property in the Transcript dictionary.

-- 
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 Fourth World Media Corporation
 Developer of WebMerge 2.2: Publish any database on any site
 ___________________________________________________________
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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Thu Feb 27 09:19:01 2003
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Thu Feb 27 09:19:01 2003
Subject: newbies:  beware script locals
In-Reply-To: <6652E947-4A40-11D7-8A38-000393598038@dvkconsult.com.au>
Message-ID: <BA83CDCE.636A%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

on 2/27/03 10:44 AM, David Vaughan wrote
> ...and worth also looking at the explicitVariables property in the TD.

Which should be an excellent idea, but in my experience it is almost
impossible to develop with explicitVariables on in Revolution.  I hope that
once 2.0 is released, the RunRev team will consider a consolidation period
to included making their development environment compatible with this.

(If David or anyone else has found a way round this problem, I'd love to
hear more.)
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866




From wmb at internettrainer.com  Thu Feb 27 09:43:01 2003
From: wmb at internettrainer.com (Wolfgang M. Bereuter)
Date: Thu Feb 27 09:43:01 2003
Subject: groups listed in overview window
In-Reply-To: <E08533A454364A4C8B395EA007D1F42318EC6A@ntsrvcrd04.main.lord.com>
Message-ID: <5577EC8A-4A61-11D7-87D7-003065430226@internettrainer.com>

On Donnerstag, Februar 27, 2003, at 02:30  Uhr, Ivers, Doug E wrote:

> Rev 1.1.1 on Mac OS 10.2.3
>
> Why don't ALL the groups in a stack show up under the Groups heading 
> of the Application Overview?

Halo Ivers,
forget the applov. It will change dramatically to a file browser in 
2.0. If you dont have a dead line, imho its not worth in "these" days 
to struggle with 1.1.1 anymore, - less with the applov...

regards
Wolfgang M. Bereuter

Learn easy with trainingsmaps?

INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter
Edelhofg. 17/11, A-1180 Wien, Austria
...............................
http://www.internettrainer.com, wmb at internettrainer.com
...............................
Tel: ++43/1/ 961 0418, Fax: ++43/1/ 479 2539



From alrice at ARCplanning.com  Thu Feb 27 10:57:01 2003
From: alrice at ARCplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Thu Feb 27 10:57:01 2003
Subject: icon  standalone application on MacOSX
In-Reply-To: <9CBDD76C-4A55-11D7-8E05-003065430226@internettrainer.com>
Message-ID: <94A211D6-4A6B-11D7-8B68-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>

On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 06:15  AM, Wolfgang M. Bereuter 
wrote:

>
> On Mittwoch, Februar 26, 2003, at 10:39  Uhr, Alex Rice wrote:
>>
>> The way I was describing is different- to create an actual actual 
>> application bundle (a folder ending in .app). I think is what Rev 2.0 
>> will do as well.
> I thought until now that 2.0 will do it for the Mac like 1.x does for 
> Win: with the DB (distribution builder). But with a better resolution 
> of course...
> I m wrong..?

You are correct- I meant 2.0 will create an app bundle as the product 
of the OS X build target in Distribution Builder.


Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Thu Feb 27 11:58:01 2003
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Thu Feb 27 11:58:01 2003
Subject: Combo-box/popup menu in a list field?
In-Reply-To: <v03130303ba80c853f9c4@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <BA83F2B6.6393%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

on 2/25/03 7:15 AM, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote

> At 3:34 AM -0800 2/21/03, Ben Rubinstein wrote:
>> Jeanne - I think this is an area which could be better covered in the docs,
>> specifically the entry in the transcript dictionary for the 'popup' command.
>> It explains how to popup either a button menu or stack - but doesn't tell
>> you where the result of the user's selection ends up.
> 
> I'll take a look at this. (You mean just a mention of the menuPick or
> mouseDown message being sent to the menu button or stack, right?)

Right.

It sounds obvious when you say it.  But in the absence of that, there's no
reason to think that 'the result' of the popup command won't be something
useful; or to know which message will be relevant.

You might also discuss what happens to statements following the popup
command in the original handler.

thanks for list-ening,
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
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From alrice at ARCplanning.com  Thu Feb 27 12:11:01 2003
From: alrice at ARCplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Thu Feb 27 12:11:01 2003
Subject: groups listed in overview window
In-Reply-To: <E08533A454364A4C8B395EA007D1F42318EC6A@ntsrvcrd04.main.lord.com>
Message-ID: <E2315593-4A75-11D7-8B68-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>

On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 06:30  AM, Ivers, Doug E wrote:

> Rev 1.1.1 on Mac OS 10.2.3
>
> Why don't ALL the groups in a stack show up under the Groups heading 
> of the Application Overview?

Did you try collapsing and expanding the Groups heading again? 
Sometimes that helps. Similarly for the Cards heading.

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From Yennie at aol.com  Thu Feb 27 12:12:01 2003
From: Yennie at aol.com (Yennie at aol.com)
Date: Thu Feb 27 12:12:01 2003
Subject: Other platforms
Message-ID: <156.1c6e46f5.2b8f9ff8@aol.com>

On the note of *NIX platforms from my previous Linux thread, this whole area 
seems a bit fuzzy.
Is there anywhere documented in detail what is supported on the various other 
UNIX platforms?

For example, I may prefer FreeBSD over Linux on x86. I know FreeBSD has a 
Metacard build, but I don't know if Rev will have one, whether Metacard will 
have one when the next version comes out, etc.

Is there any specific plan in place here, or is it essentially Mac-Win-Linux 
and everything else only with sufficient demand? Should I even be thinking 
about a FreeBSD port with RevDB and all included, or is that never gonna 
happen in lieu of Linux?

Regards,
Brian
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From alrice at ARCplanning.com  Thu Feb 27 12:42:01 2003
From: alrice at ARCplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Thu Feb 27 12:42:01 2003
Subject: Other platforms
In-Reply-To: <156.1c6e46f5.2b8f9ff8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <345D9442-4A7A-11D7-8B68-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>

On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 10:08  AM, Yennie at aol.com wrote:

> On the note of *NIX platforms from my previous Linux thread, this 
> whole area seems a bit fuzzy.
> Is there anywhere documented in detail what is supported on the 
> various other UNIX platforms?
>
> For example, I may prefer FreeBSD over Linux on x86. I know FreeBSD 
> has a Metacard build, but I don't know if Rev will have one, whether 
> Metacard will have one when the next version comes out, etc.
>
> Is there any specific plan in place here, or is it essentially 
> Mac-Win-Linux and everything else only with sufficient demand? Should 
> I even be thinking about a FreeBSD port with RevDB and all included, 
> or is that never gonna happen in lieu of Linux?

Did you notice the tooltips on the "Platforms to Distribute on" in the 
Distribution Builder. They give some hints as to what platform is 
specifically being supported, e.g. "FreeBSD and BSDI",


Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Feb 27 13:08:01 2003
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu Feb 27 13:08:01 2003
Subject: Linux Requirements?
In-Reply-To: <3e.2c85deed.2b8ea3ef@aol.com>
Message-ID: <D992E29A-4A7D-11D7-99D6-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>

On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 04:12 PM, Yennie at aol.com wrote:

> I'd like to maintain one machine here to test my Rev projects on Linux.

You might want to consider running Linux on virtual machines.

I evaluated both VMware and Virtual PC to emulate PC class computers.  
Though I have yet to do so, at the time I thought, "I could set up a 
Linux system on a virtual machine for tinkering, learning and testing." 
  I went with VPC, though there are attractive features of VMware such 
as better networking scope and, I think, broader *nix support.  I now 
use VPC on my Mac (you need a powerful computer) and on my Windows PC; 
both Mac OS's and Windows OS's can be hosts.  I have been very happy 
with that.

Connectix has just sold the technology to Microsoft.  I'm not sure what 
the implications are, but I suspect that *nix support will not improve.

Dar Scott



From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Feb 27 13:26:00 2003
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu Feb 27 13:26:00 2003
Subject: menu paradigm of Rev/MC and other goofiness  -- like quotes
In-Reply-To: <E08533A454364A4C8B395EA007D1F42318EC6B@ntsrvcrd04.main.lord.com>
Message-ID: <67622F0A-4A80-11D7-99D6-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>

On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 06:35 AM, Ivers, Doug E wrote:

> That helps, but look how much easier this is to read and debug:
>
>    put "I said, 'Let's go!'"

I believe there are contexts in which a string literal can have quote 
marks.  I don't know what they all are.

Dar Scott




From alrice at ARCplanning.com  Thu Feb 27 13:40:01 2003
From: alrice at ARCplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Thu Feb 27 13:40:01 2003
Subject: Linux Requirements?
In-Reply-To: <D992E29A-4A7D-11D7-99D6-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <6489C134-4A82-11D7-8B68-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>

On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 11:04  AM, Dar Scott wrote:
> You might want to consider running Linux on virtual machines.

I have to put in a cheer for VMWare. At a former job I used VMWare on a 
host machine of Linux, with a virtual machine running Windows2000. 
Worked great. Disk throughput was the main bottleneck because I was 
running a single-file-disk-image. VMWare has various ways to slice up a 
disk image to present to the virtual machine.

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From smilingeyes at mac.com  Thu Feb 27 13:47:01 2003
From: smilingeyes at mac.com (Ray Bennett)
Date: Thu Feb 27 13:47:01 2003
Subject: XP and ask/answer file commands.
Message-ID: <4BA499FD-4A83-11D7-B99F-0030657E2BD2@mac.com>

XP seems to ignore my request to set a default directory where the user 
will be when I ask them to open a file.   OS X / OS 9 both doing just 
what I'd expect.  XP always goes to where it was last.

Help?

code sample....

put the _workingPath of stack "Fred" & "d_BRK Files/" into thePath
   put "*.brk" into theFilters

   if the platform = "Win32" then
     answer file "Select a  .brk  file:" with thePath with filter 
theFilters
   else
     --
     answer file "Select a   .brk    file: " with thePath
   end if


the _workingPath property is my application equivalent of the 
"defaultfolder" and does end in a "/"

The dialog box displayed on the XP box is always wherever I was last.
Is the code incorrect?

Thanks.
Ray



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Feb 27 14:22:01 2003
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu Feb 27 14:22:01 2003
Subject: XP and ask/answer file commands.
References: <4BA499FD-4A83-11D7-B99F-0030657E2BD2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <002701c2de95$46cba600$6f00a8c0@mckinley.dom>

This was something that was not working properly in 1.1.1, I believe.
The MC engine for 2.0 includes the fix to that bug.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Bennett" <smilingeyes at mac.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 12:43 PM
Subject: XP and ask/answer file commands.


> XP seems to ignore my request to set a default directory where the
user
> will be when I ask them to open a file.   OS X / OS 9 both doing just
> what I'd expect.  XP always goes to where it was last.
>
> Help?
>
> code sample....
>
> put the _workingPath of stack "Fred" & "d_BRK Files/" into thePath
>    put "*.brk" into theFilters
>
>    if the platform = "Win32" then
>      answer file "Select a  .brk  file:" with thePath with filter
> theFilters
>    else
>      --
>      answer file "Select a   .brk    file: " with thePath
>    end if
>
>
> the _workingPath property is my application equivalent of the
> "defaultfolder" and does end in a "/"
>
> The dialog box displayed on the XP box is always wherever I was last.
> Is the code incorrect?
>
> Thanks.
> Ray
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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>



From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Feb 27 14:27:01 2003
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu Feb 27 14:27:01 2003
Subject: Linux Requirements?
In-Reply-To: <6489C134-4A82-11D7-8B68-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>
Message-ID: <E54B2C99-4A88-11D7-99D6-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>

On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 11:36 AM, Alex Rice wrote:

> I have to put in a cheer for VMWare.

I have to say that VMware was my second choice.  (That may sound weird 
since I only considered the two, but I hope it conveys my feeling.)  I 
like the flexibility for serial I/O and networking in VMWare, but the 
networking implementation is intrusive.

What tipped the balance was that VMWare added some SMB confusion and my 
OS X 10.1.? was not able to handle SMB from VMWare hosts.  For all I 
know OS X and/or VMWare have improved making this no longer a problem.

Dar Scott



From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Feb 27 14:41:00 2003
From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel)
Date: Thu Feb 27 14:41:00 2003
Subject: QT movies are driving me crazy
Message-ID: <p05100308ba84161e7e8f@[62.30.170.9]>

On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 03:27:52 -0800  Richard Gaskin 
<ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>
>Graham Samuel wrote:
>
>>  I've got a couple of tiny QT movies, both of which are masked. When I
>>  put them into RR player objects, one of the movies gets masked
>>  properly (i.e. the shape of the movie on the screen is the shape of
>>  the mask rather than a rectangle) and the other one appears in a
>>  white rectangle which blots out the background objects. The only
>>  difference I can see between the movies is that the one that doesn't
>>  work has two video tracks (both separately masked) and the one that
>>  does work has only one video track. AFAICS from the Quicktime Player
>>  (5.0.2 for the Mac), the masking is OK outside Revolution.
>>
>>  I can't guess what's wrong and I can't think of a way of finding out.
>>  I don't have any other tools dedicated to editing or examining QT
>>  movies.
>>
>>  Any suggestions?
>
>Does the second player have its alwaysBuffer property set to true?

That was it! The alwaysBuffer has to be set to false! Why in the name 
of thunder is that? I wanted to set the property to true because I 
drag the movies around the screen at runtime and wanted this to work 
smoothly... OTOH I don't want them to run jerkily (they do anyway, on 
this Mac) and having the property set to false is supposed to improve 
smoothness according to the Transcript Dictionary (which doesn't 
mention masking at all). So I can't get the setting right, in fact. 
QT movie players seem such attractive things until you actually get 
up close to them...

Thanks anyway, Richard
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From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Feb 27 14:47:00 2003
From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel)
Date: Thu Feb 27 14:47:00 2003
Subject: CLUTs
Message-ID: <p05100307ba8415da6eac@[62.30.170.9]>

On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 05:47:32 -0800 Richard Gaskin 
<ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>Graham Samuel wrote:
>
>>  A contact of mine has asked if RR can deal with user-addressable
>>  CLUTs. I only just understand what this means on the Mac, and don't
>>  know if it's a cross-platform concept or not. Can anyone clarify
>>  this, and maybe get RR a new customer?
>
>See the entry for the colorMap property in the Transcript dictionary.

Thanks yet again, colorMap turns out to be what I was looking for. I 
wish the docs had a more comprehensive search facility - I don't know 
when (if ever) I would have come across the term colorMap if you 
hadn't pointed it out. Anyway I can now answer the question that I 
was asked (in the affirmative).

Graham
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From alrice at ARCplanning.com  Thu Feb 27 15:21:00 2003
From: alrice at ARCplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Thu Feb 27 15:21:00 2003
Subject: Linux Requirements?
In-Reply-To: <E54B2C99-4A88-11D7-99D6-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <79443F2F-4A90-11D7-8B68-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>

On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 12:23  PM, Dar Scott wrote:
> I have to say that VMware was my second choice.  (That may sound weird 
> since I only considered the two, but I hope it conveys my feeling.)  I 
> like the flexibility for serial I/O and networking in VMWare, but the 
> networking implementation is intrusive.

I agree, the networking is kinda tricky to get working; and I remember 
having SMB--Samba problems of some kind as well, running it on Linux.

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Feb 27 15:33:01 2003
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu Feb 27 15:33:01 2003
Subject: CLUTs
References: <p05100307ba8415da6eac@[62.30.170.9]>
Message-ID: <003b01c2de9f$0c7dc2d0$6f00a8c0@mckinley.dom>

Graham,

If you would rather have a copy of the 1.1.1 docs in TEXT, RTF or PDF
format that you can do searches through with Word, Acrobat etc., you can
get a copy at my site:

http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/revolution.htm

... go to the Downloads section.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Samuel" <livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk>
To: "Revolution user discussion" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: CLUTs


> On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 05:47:32 -0800 Richard Gaskin
> <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
> >Graham Samuel wrote:
> >
> >>  A contact of mine has asked if RR can deal with user-addressable
> >>  CLUTs. I only just understand what this means on the Mac, and
don't
> >>  know if it's a cross-platform concept or not. Can anyone clarify
> >>  this, and maybe get RR a new customer?
> >
> >See the entry for the colorMap property in the Transcript dictionary.
>
> Thanks yet again, colorMap turns out to be what I was looking for. I
> wish the docs had a more comprehensive search facility - I don't know
> when (if ever) I would have come across the term colorMap if you
> hadn't pointed it out. Anyway I can now answer the question that I
> was asked (in the affirmative).
>
> Graham
> --
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
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>



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb 27 15:50:03 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu Feb 27 15:50:03 2003
Subject: QT movies are driving me crazy
In-Reply-To: <p05100308ba84161e7e8f@[62.30.170.9]>
Message-ID: <BA83B926.27501%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

Graham Samuel wrote:

>> Does the second player have its alwaysBuffer property set to true?
> 
> That was it! The alwaysBuffer has to be set to false! Why in the name
> of thunder is that?

Everything in computing is a set of tradeoffs.  In this case, it's a
tradeoff between performance and masking.  Masking is a computationally
intensive thing to do: QT needs to render each frame into a buffer to mask
it before blitting it to the screen.  Without the alwaysBuffer, QT seeks to
optimize performance by using the card as a projection screen of sorts,
blitting directly over whatever may be there.

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From dvk at dvkconsult.com.au  Thu Feb 27 15:58:01 2003
From: dvk at dvkconsult.com.au (David Vaughan)
Date: Thu Feb 27 15:58:01 2003
Subject: newbies:  beware script locals
In-Reply-To: <200302271701.MAA10290@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <0C3F987C-4A94-11D7-8A38-000393598038@dvkconsult.com.au>

On Friday, Feb 28, 2003, at 04:01 Australia/Sydney, Ben Rubinstein 
<benr_mc at cogapp.com> wrote:
>
> on 2/27/03 10:44 AM, David Vaughan wrote
>> ...and worth also looking at the explicitVariables property in the TD.
>
> Which should be an excellent idea, but in my experience it is almost
> impossible to develop with explicitVariables on in Revolution.  I hope 
> that
> once 2.0 is released, the RunRev team will consider a consolidation 
> period
> to included making their development environment compatible with this.
>
> (If David or anyone else has found a way round this problem, I'd love 
> to
> hear more.)

No, I haven't Ben. As the first part of my line said, I usually do not 
declare handler-local variables so never use the property.

regards
David
>
>   Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
>   Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
>   http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866



From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Thu Feb 27 16:13:01 2003
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Thu Feb 27 16:13:01 2003
Subject: Type 2 & 3 errors
Message-ID: <FLEGJBMJADGKMCHIMFOHKEBDCPAA.monte@sweattechnologies.com>

Hi

I've had a report of Type 2 and Type 3 errors in an app running on MacOS
9.1. What do these errors mean and what can I do about them?

Thanks

Monte Goulding
B.App.Sc. (Hons.)

Executive Director
Sweat Technologies

email: monte at sweattechnologies.com
website: www.sweattechnologies.com
mobile (International): +61 421 138 274
       (Australia): 0421 138 274



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb 27 16:13:17 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu Feb 27 16:13:17 2003
Subject: newbies:  beware script locals
In-Reply-To: <0C3F987C-4A94-11D7-8A38-000393598038@dvkconsult.com.au>
Message-ID: <BA83BE88.2750A%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

On Friday, Feb 28, 2003, at 04:01 Australia/Sydney, Ben Rubinstein
<benr_mc at cogapp.com> wrote:
 
> on 2/27/03 10:44 AM, David Vaughan wrote
>> ...and worth also looking at the explicitVariables property in the TD.
> 
> Which should be an excellent idea, but in my experience it is almost
> impossible to develop with explicitVariables on in Revolution.  I hope
> that once 2.0 is released, the RunRev team will consider a consolidation
> period to included making their development environment compatible with
> this.
> 
> (If David or anyone else has found a way round this problem, I'd love
> to hear more.)

As I understand it, the only way is for someone to go through the code and
declare all the locals.  It's a tedious job, but not too difficult, and
hopefully they've done this for the v2.0 IDE, or at least plan to.

I use explicitVars very rarely, but when I do I find it very useful and
since everything running needs to be compliant I'm writing more and more of
my tools with explicitVars on to make sure they don't trip anyone up.

If you find anything of mine in RevNet or elsewhere that breaks under
explicitVars please drop me a note and I'll update it if I haven't already.

-- 
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 ___________________________________________________________
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb 27 16:35:03 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu Feb 27 16:35:03 2003
Subject: Type 2 & 3 errors
In-Reply-To: <FLEGJBMJADGKMCHIMFOHKEBDCPAA.monte@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <BA83C3AC.27510%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

Monte Goulding wrote:

> I've had a report of Type 2 and Type 3 errors in an app running on MacOS
> 9.1. What do these errors mean and what can I do about them?


From timothy.hart5 at verizon.net  Thu Feb 27 16:37:01 2003
From: timothy.hart5 at verizon.net (Tim Hart)
Date: Thu Feb 27 16:37:01 2003
Subject: Stopping a buttons actions
Message-ID: <197E27B8-4A9B-11D7-BF52-0003938DD75E@verizon.net>

Hello everyone,
	I have a button which starts a script that takes about two minutes to 
get through.  I am scrolling through pictures with it.  My problem is 
stopping in the middle.  How can I stop or pause once the button is hit 
so I don't have to wait 2 minutes.

Thanks a ton.



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb 27 16:51:03 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu Feb 27 16:51:03 2003
Subject: Stopping a buttons actions
In-Reply-To: <197E27B8-4A9B-11D7-BF52-0003938DD75E@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <BA83C760.2751B%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

Tim Hart wrote:

> I have a button which starts a script that takes about two minutes to
> get through.  I am scrolling through pictures with it.  My problem is
> stopping in the middle.  How can I stop or pause once the button is hit
> so I don't have to wait 2 minutes.

Ctrl-. (Win) or Cmd-. (Mac).

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 ___________________________________________________________
 Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
 Tel: 323-225-3717                       AIM: FourthWorldInc



From timothy.hart5 at verizon.net  Thu Feb 27 16:54:01 2003
From: timothy.hart5 at verizon.net (Tim Hart)
Date: Thu Feb 27 16:54:01 2003
Subject: Stopping a buttons actions
In-Reply-To: <BA83C760.2751B%ambassador@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <72DC91A0-4A9D-11D7-BF52-0003938DD75E@verizon.net>

On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 04:47 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Ctrl-. (Win) or Cmd-. (Mac).

Thanks.  Now how do I do that with a button labeled "reset" so the user 
can do it to.



From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Thu Feb 27 16:58:05 2003
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Thu Feb 27 16:58:05 2003
Subject: Type 2 & 3 errors
In-Reply-To: <BA83C3AC.27510%ambassador@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <FLEGJBMJADGKMCHIMFOHAEBFCPAA.monte@sweattechnologies.com>

>
> Can you pin down the script that's running when the error is thrown?
>
Thanks for the info

It sounds like it's something I can't do much about. It's been reported by a
user so I'll try and get more info about where it's happening in the app. It
sounded to me like it is hapenning alot???

Thanks

Monte



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb 27 17:08:01 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu Feb 27 17:08:01 2003
Subject: PAD generator fo Rev/MC?
Message-ID: <BA83CB5A.27521%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

Anyone have a freeware PAD generator for Rev/MC?

(see <http://www.asp-shareware.org/pad/>)

Also, how many if you make PAD files for your wares?  Would it make sense to
add support for viewig PAD info in RevNet?

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 ___________________________________________________________
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 Tel: 323-225-3717                       AIM: FourthWorldInc



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb 27 17:15:01 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu Feb 27 17:15:01 2003
Subject: Stopping a buttons actions
In-Reply-To: <72DC91A0-4A9D-11D7-BF52-0003938DD75E@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <BA83CD08.27522%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

Tim Hart wrote:

> 
> On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 04:47 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
> 
>> Ctrl-. (Win) or Cmd-. (Mac).
> 
> Thanks.  Now how do I do that with a button labeled "reset" so the user
> can do it to.

That's not so easy.  I did it once for WebMerge, and maybe there's a simpler
way but my method ate a lot of clock cycles.

I called a function in my repeat loop that checked the mouseLoc, and if it
was over the Cancel button it turned the cursor from watch to hand.  Then it
checked if the mouse was down, and if so it sent a "mouseUp" to that button.
With the overhead of event polling, this dragged my app's performance down
dramatically.

In a later version I simply removed the button and replaced it with a note
for the user to type Ctrl-. to cancel, and commented out the function call:
My app was now much faster, and not a single user has ever even noted the
change, other than to express their appreciation for the speed increase.

Anyone have an efficient way of implementing a Cancel button from within a
loop?

-- 
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 Fourth World Media Corporation
 Developer of WebMerge 2.2: Publish any database on any site
 ___________________________________________________________
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From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb 27 17:23:01 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu Feb 27 17:23:01 2003
Subject: Type 2 & 3 errors
In-Reply-To: <FLEGJBMJADGKMCHIMFOHAEBFCPAA.monte@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <BA83CEEF.27524%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

Monte Goulding wrote:

>> Can you pin down the script that's running when the error is thrown?
>> 
> Thanks for the info
> 
> It sounds like it's something I can't do much about. It's been reported by a
> user so I'll try and get more info about where it's happening in the app. It
> sounded to me like it is hapenning alot???

Not in the MC engine, and since we're talking about a standalone (we are,
aren't we?), then it seems unlikely that the Rev IDE could be a contributing
factor.

Determining a recipe for this might be very useful in helping the Rev 2.0
engine make sure this doesn't happen, and may provide us with a way to
implement a workaround in the meantime to keep your work running smoothly.

Though they may seem chaotic, computers are ultimately deterministic
systems, meaning simply that the same actions will produce the same result.
Once we can determine the difference between actions that trigger the crash
and those that don't, the issue will likely become resolvable.

Sometimes it takes a bit of sleuthing, but I've never seen an error that
ultimately couldn't be resolved one way or another, whether in script or the
engine or both.
 
-- 
 Richard Gaskin 
 Fourth World Media Corporation
 Developer of WebMerge 2.2: Publish any database on any site
 ___________________________________________________________
 Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
 Tel: 323-225-3717                       AIM: FourthWorldInc



From livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk  Thu Feb 27 17:39:00 2003
From: livfoss at blueyonder.co.uk (Graham Samuel)
Date: Thu Feb 27 17:39:00 2003
Subject: Searching the documentation (was Re: CLUTs)
Message-ID: <p0510030aba843f572e0f@[62.30.170.9]>

On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:30:14 -0600  "Ken Ray" <kray at sonsothunder.com> wrote:
>
>Graham,
>
>If you would rather have a copy of the 1.1.1 docs in TEXT, RTF or PDF
>format that you can do searches through with Word, Acrobat etc., you can
>get a copy at my site:
>
>http://www.sonsothunder.com/devres/revolution/revolution.htm
>
>... go to the Downloads section.
>
>After I wrote
>  > Thanks yet again, colorMap turns out to be what I was looking for. I
>>  wish the docs had a more comprehensive search facility - I don't know
>>  when (if ever) I would have come across the term colorMap if you
>  > hadn't pointed it out...
>  >
Thank you, and when desperate I daresay I will try a free text search 
through the RTF or whatever. In this particular case though I would 
never have found the word 'CLUT' because it's not there. What I 
really want is a more extended and at the same time accessible 
structure in the online documentation - like a chapter called 'all 
about color'. We kind of have this in the 'See Also' pulldowns, but 
they do involve a large amount of shifting around - for example, 
there are 14 'See Also's for the colorMap entry, and each and every 
one has to be investigated just to see if it will shed any light on 
colour (sorry I'm British) management. Now in fact I also see that 
there is an article 'about colors and color specifications' (which I 
suspect doesn't cover each and every property and command relating to 
colour), but this isn't headlined anywhere. It's a subsection of 
'Appearance and Positioning' in the Development Guide, and only a 
careful reading of the right hand list that comes up when you pick 
this topic reveals the 'colors' article.

In practice I have often found that I can't make the connections 
without knowing the vocabulary first - so in a way I am just looking 
for a better tool for scanning the docs, but not an unstructured 
search except as a last resort. I wouldn't say all this but for the 
fact that quite a lot of the answers given by those with True 
Knowledge on the list to the rest of us, are basically of the form 
'have you looked at a certain bit of the documentation?' IMHO there 
must be a reason for this.

Just my two pence (UK) or two (Euro) cents.

Graham
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          Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK & France


From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Feb 27 17:43:01 2003
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu Feb 27 17:43:01 2003
Subject: Stopping a buttons actions
In-Reply-To: <197E27B8-4A9B-11D7-BF52-0003938DD75E@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <BA83D375.6501%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, "Tim Hart"  wrote:

> I have a button which starts a script that takes about two minutes to
> get through.  I am scrolling through pictures with it.  My problem is
> stopping in the middle.  How can I stop or pause once the button is hit
> so I don't have to wait 2 minutes.

Depends on what your script is actually doing.  If you're running a
repeating/looping action, you can simply check a variable/property state at
the beginning of your loop.  You must be using "send in..." to accomplish
this reliably.

# TO START YOUR SCROLL ACTION, SEND A
# "DOTHESCROLL" MESSAGE TO WHEREVER
# YOU PLACE THE FOLLOWING SCRIPT.

# IN YOUR CARD/STACK
on doTheScroll
    if not the uAllowScroll of this stack then exit doTheScroll
    runMyScrollStuff
    send "doTheScroll" to me in 50 milliseconds
end doTheScroll


# IN YOUR STOP BUTTON
on mouseUp
    set the uAllowScroll of this stack to false
end mouseUp

on mouseRelease
    mouseUp
end mouseRelease
    

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
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W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Thu Feb 27 17:44:01 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Thu Feb 27 17:44:01 2003
Subject: More groups
In-Reply-To: <200302241032.FAA12667@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA83D4D1.6F74%pixelbird@interisland.net>

Hi everyone,

I'm not quite sure how to do this:

I want to group of buttons which are already made and not in a particular
order (as in 1-40). Doing them by hand is wonky and time consuming,
Sometimes it misses, or I accidenatally mess up the position or size, too,
and have to fix it.

So, I want to just make a list of stuff that I want grouped with background
behavior, but I'm not sure how to script it. Actually, I'd like to make a
little temporary UI to do these types of things. In this case, though, I
just need a temporary button with a script to do what I want.

Advice from the masters?

TIA,
Ken N.





From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Feb 27 17:50:03 2003
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu Feb 27 17:50:03 2003
Subject: Stopping a buttons actions [UPDATED]
In-Reply-To: <BA83D375.6501%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <BA83D572.6506%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, "Scott Rossi"  wrote:

>> I have a button which starts a script that takes about two minutes to
>> get through.  I am scrolling through pictures with it.  My problem is
>> stopping in the middle.  How can I stop or pause once the button is hit
>> so I don't have to wait 2 minutes.
> 
> Depends on what your script is actually doing.  If you're running a
> repeating/looping action, you can simply check a variable/property state at
> the beginning of your loop.  You must be using "send in..." to accomplish
> this reliably.
> 
> # TO START YOUR SCROLL ACTION, SEND A
> # "DOTHESCROLL" MESSAGE TO WHEREVER
> # YOU PLACE THE FOLLOWING SCRIPT.

<snip>

Forgot to mention that you need to set the uAllowScroll property of the
stack to true before starting the scroll action.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
-----
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W: http://www.tactilemedia.com



From k_major at os.surf2000.de  Thu Feb 27 18:05:00 2003
From: k_major at os.surf2000.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu Feb 27 18:05:00 2003
Subject: More groups
In-Reply-To: <BA83D4D1.6F74%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <853435E4-4AA7-11D7-B008-000A27B49A96@os.surf2000.de>

Hi Ken,

> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm not quite sure how to do this:
>
> I want to group of buttons which are already made and not in a 
> particular
> order (as in 1-40). Doing them by hand is wonky and time consuming,
> Sometimes it misses, or I accidenatally mess up the position or size, 
> too,
> and have to fix it.
>
> So, I want to just make a list of stuff that I want grouped with 
> background
> behavior, but I'm not sure how to script it. Actually, I'd like to 
> make a
> little temporary UI to do these types of things. In this case, though, 
> I
> just need a temporary button with a script to do what I want.
>
> Advice from the masters?
>
> TIA,
> Ken N.

supposed you have a list (field or var) of elements you want to group 
like:

field 3
field 2
button 2
button 3
...

Then you can script (i have a field here):

on mouseUp
   repeat for each line l in fld 1
     put l && "and " after mylist_to_group
   end repeat
   delete word -1 of mylist_to_group
   do "group" && mylist_to_group
   ## do what you want to -> group -1
   ## :-)
end mouseUp

Tested and works :-)

Hope that helps...


Regards

Klaus Major
k_major at os.surf2000.de



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb 27 18:09:01 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu Feb 27 18:09:01 2003
Subject: Searching the documentation (was Re: CLUTs)
In-Reply-To: <p0510030aba843f572e0f@[62.30.170.9]>
Message-ID: <BA83D9B2.27541%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

Graham Samuel wrote:

> Thank you, and when desperate I daresay I will try a free text search
> through the RTF or whatever. In this particular case though I would
> never have found the word 'CLUT' because it's not there. What I
> really want is a more extended and at the same time accessible
> structure in the online documentation - like a chapter called 'all
> about color'. 

That would be a welcome addition, as would an index including a few more
Mac-specific terms like 'CLUT' to help newcomers make the transition from
other xTalks, which have largely been for Mac only.

But the current index is not so bad:  I found colorMap by opening the
Transcript Dictionary and typing "color" in the search box -- "colorMap
property is the first entry shown when you do that, worth at least a glance
to see if it's what you're looking for.

Having written the index for the SuperTalk Language Guide, I'm painfully
familiar with how difficult it is to arrive at a good index, and by and
large the Rev index isn't bad, IMHO.  When looking up stuff in Rev's docs,
it may be useful to remember that Mac-specific terms like specific resource
structures such as 'CLUT' and 'CURS' and 'DLOG' (now obsolete with OS X
anyway) will be less likely to be found than their more generic equivalents.

-- 
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 Fourth World Media Corporation
 Developer of WebMerge 2.2: Publish any database on any site
 ___________________________________________________________
 Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
 Tel: 323-225-3717                       AIM: FourthWorldInc



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Thu Feb 27 18:26:00 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Thu Feb 27 18:26:00 2003
Subject: More groups
In-Reply-To: <200302272310.SAA25774@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA83DE98.6F77%pixelbird@interisland.net>

**********
> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 00:02:18 +0100
> Subject: Re: More groups
> From: Klaus Major <k_major at os.surf2000.de>

> supposed you have a list (field or var) of elements you want to group
> like:
> 
> field 3
> field 2
> button 2
> button 3
> ...
> 
> Then you can script (i have a field here):
> 
> on mouseUp
> repeat for each line l in fld 1
> put l && "and " after mylist_to_group
> end repeat
> delete word -1 of mylist_to_group
> do "group" && mylist_to_group
> ## do what you want to -> group -1
> ## :-)
> end mouseUp
> 
> Tested and works :-)
> 
> Hope that helps...
----------
Thanks Klaus,

I wish I could tell what's happening, though. I don't recognize the actions
of the syntax.

Ken N.



From revlists at canelasoftware.com  Thu Feb 27 19:19:01 2003
From: revlists at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Thu Feb 27 19:19:01 2003
Subject: Type 2 & 3 errors
In-Reply-To: <BA83CEEF.27524%ambassador@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <B754FCA0-4AB1-11D7-8D7D-000393C3F5BC@canelasoftware.com>

On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 02:19 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

>>> Can you pin down the script that's running when the error is thrown?
>>>
>> Thanks for the info
>>
>> It sounds like it's something I can't do much about. It's been 
>> reported by a
>> user so I'll try and get more info about where it's happening in the 
>> app. It
>> sounded to me like it is hapenning alot???
>
> Not in the MC engine, and since we're talking about a standalone (we 
> are,
> aren't we?), then it seems unlikely that the Rev IDE could be a 
> contributing
> factor.
>
> Determining a recipe for this might be very useful in helping the Rev 
> 2.0
> engine make sure this doesn't happen, and may provide us with a way to
> implement a workaround in the meantime to keep your work running 
> smoothly.
>
> Though they may seem chaotic, computers are ultimately deterministic
> systems, meaning simply that the same actions will produce the same 
> result.
> Once we can determine the difference between actions that trigger the 
> crash
> and those that don't, the issue will likely become resolvable.
>
> Sometimes it takes a bit of sleuthing, but I've never seen an error 
> that
> ultimately couldn't be resolved one way or another, whether in script 
> or the
> engine or both.

If your user Monte will do this, have them run macbugs and see if they 
can get the error.  They can then save out the log file.  Send it to 
Scott for review.  He always figures this out once he has that file.



Best regards,
Mark Talluto
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From raney at metacard.com  Thu Feb 27 19:24:01 2003
From: raney at metacard.com (Scott Raney)
Date: Thu Feb 27 19:24:01 2003
Subject: Stopping a buttons actions
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0302271710360.30223-100000@mast.metacard.com>

On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:

> Anyone have an efficient way of implementing a Cancel button from within a
> loop?

You can use "wait for messages" to do this: have the "Cancel" button
set a variable or property that you check in the loop to know to
abort.  It's a relatively expensive operation, though, so you may want
to only do it every tenth or hundredth time in a very tight loop.  You
also have to be extremely careful that you don't end up causing a
recursion, e.g. by disabling the button that kicks off the processing
(use the waitDepth() function during your testing to make sure it
never goes above 1).  There may be other things that need to be
disabled because they somehow interact with the processing and may
leave your app in a non-functional state.  This is a very powerful
feature but is also very dangerous and so should be used sparingly and
only when you have the time and motivation to do very robust
engineering and testing.
  Regards,
    Scott

> -- 
> Richard Gaskin
> Fourth World Media Corporation
> Developer of WebMerge 2.2: Publish any database on any site
> ___________________________________________________________
> Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
> Tel: 323-225-3717                       AIM: FourthWorldInc

********************************************************
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MetaCard: You know, there's an easier way to do that...



From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Thu Feb 27 19:37:01 2003
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Thu Feb 27 19:37:01 2003
Subject: Type 2 & 3 errors
In-Reply-To: <B754FCA0-4AB1-11D7-8D7D-000393C3F5BC@canelasoftware.com>
Message-ID: <FLEGJBMJADGKMCHIMFOHAEBKCPAA.monte@sweattechnologies.com>

OK that's a good idea. What's macbugs?

Monte




From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb 27 19:39:01 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu Feb 27 19:39:01 2003
Subject: Linux, anyone?
Message-ID: <BA83EECC.27558%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

Are any of you selling commercial Rev- or MC-based apps to the Linux market?
I'd be interested in learning about your experiences there.

With MC's speed on Linux, it should be able to compete favorably with most
ported wares in terms of performance.  The OS itself seems to be moving
quickly into a suitable desktop alternative in terms of both capabilities
and ease of use (Business Week reports that 10% of desktop machines in India
are Linux).

Since building for Linux takes only a few seconds in Rev or MC, I wonder to
what degree our choice of tools is handing us a good opportunity....
 
-- 
 Richard Gaskin 
 Fourth World Media Corporation
 Developer of WebMerge 2.2: Publish any database on any site
 ___________________________________________________________
 Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
 Tel: 323-225-3717                       AIM: FourthWorldInc



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Thu Feb 27 19:46:00 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Thu Feb 27 19:46:00 2003
Subject: Type 2 & 3 errors
In-Reply-To: <FLEGJBMJADGKMCHIMFOHAEBKCPAA.monte@sweattechnologies.com>
Message-ID: <BA83F066.27564%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

Monte Goulding wrote:

> OK that's a good idea. What's macbugs?

<http://developer.apple.com/tools/debuggers/MacsBug/>

But you may not need to go that deep (although from time to time Scott or
Kevin has asked for a stdlog dump to help diagnose errors).

Is the crash happening at any consistent point in your app's execution?

-- 
 Richard Gaskin 
 Fourth World Media Corporation
 Developer of WebMerge 2.2: Publish any database on any site
 ___________________________________________________________
 Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
 Tel: 323-225-3717                       AIM: FourthWorldInc



From rjb at rz.uni-potsdam.de  Thu Feb 27 19:51:01 2003
From: rjb at rz.uni-potsdam.de (Robert Brenstein)
Date: Thu Feb 27 19:51:01 2003
Subject: Stopping a buttons actions
In-Reply-To: <BA83CD08.27522%ambassador@fourthworld.com>
References: <BA83CD08.27522%ambassador@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <a05200f10ba845f7fc9a6@[141.89.100.235]>

>Tim Hart wrote:
>
>>
>>  On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 04:47 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
>>
>>>  Ctrl-. (Win) or Cmd-. (Mac).
>>
>>  Thanks.  Now how do I do that with a button labeled "reset" so the user
>>  can do it to.
>
>That's not so easy.  I did it once for WebMerge, and maybe there's a simpler
>way but my method ate a lot of clock cycles.
>
>I called a function in my repeat loop that checked the mouseLoc, and if it
>was over the Cancel button it turned the cursor from watch to hand.  Then it
>checked if the mouse was down, and if so it sent a "mouseUp" to that button.
>With the overhead of event polling, this dragged my app's performance down
>dramatically.
>
>In a later version I simply removed the button and replaced it with a note
>for the user to type Ctrl-. to cancel, and commented out the function call:
>My app was now much faster, and not a single user has ever even noted the
>change, other than to express their appreciation for the speed increase.
>
>Anyone have an efficient way of implementing a Cancel button from within a
>loop?

Cancelling with cmd-. is routine on the mac, though I don't know 
about windows. I would just set allowInterruption to false while 
running the handler (so MC does not hop in with its dialog which is 
likely to confuse users) and use the interrupt function at reasonable 
intervals to check for cancellation request.

Robert Brenstein


From monte at sweattechnologies.com  Thu Feb 27 19:55:01 2003
From: monte at sweattechnologies.com (Monte Goulding)
Date: Thu Feb 27 19:55:01 2003
Subject: Type 2 & 3 errors
In-Reply-To: <BA83F066.27564%ambassador@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <FLEGJBMJADGKMCHIMFOHEEBLCPAA.monte@sweattechnologies.com>


> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Richard
> Gaskin
> Sent: Friday, 28 February 2003 11:12 AM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: Type 2 & 3 errors
>
>
> Monte Goulding wrote:
>
> > OK that's a good idea. What's macbugs?
>
> <http://developer.apple.com/tools/debuggers/MacsBug/>
>
> But you may not need to go that deep (although from time to time Scott or
> Kevin has asked for a stdlog dump to help diagnose errors).
>
> Is the crash happening at any consistent point in your app's execution?
>
I don't know yet. It's just good to know the options for debugging this kind
of thing.

Thanks

Monte



From revlists at canelasoftware.com  Thu Feb 27 19:56:00 2003
From: revlists at canelasoftware.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Thu Feb 27 19:56:00 2003
Subject: Type 2 & 3 errors
In-Reply-To: <BA83F066.27564%ambassador@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <E73C1DE3-4AB6-11D7-A209-000393C3F5BC@canelasoftware.com>

On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 04:42 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:

> Monte Goulding wrote:
>
>> OK that's a good idea. What's macbugs?
>
> <http://developer.apple.com/tools/debuggers/MacsBug/>


Actually, you should have your user run your program with extensions 
turned off.  Have them run it with Virtual mem of too.  Then have them 
run it with VM on.

See if you can find a pattern.  Once you get it, it may help further to 
get the macbugs report.


Best regards,
Mark Talluto
http://www.canelasoftware.com



From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Thu Feb 27 21:33:01 2003
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah)
Date: Thu Feb 27 21:33:01 2003
Subject: More groups
In-Reply-To: <a05111a8dba844f0a7bc1@[192.168.0.100]>
Message-ID: <7B807C9B-4AC4-11D7-913E-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

Hi Ken,

Try stepping through with the Script Debugger. You will see that Klaus' 
script builds a string from the list of objects in his field, using a 
repeat for each loop. So mylist_to_group ends up containing:
	field 3 and field 2 and button 2 and button 3 and
As it ends with an extra "and", he deletes the last word (word -1 means 
last word - you can use either syntax).
Then he adds the word "group" to the front of his list and uses "do" to 
perform the grouping.

Hope you don't mind me answering this one Klaus, but we're awake over 
here in Oz, while I figured you must be still asleep :-)

Cheers,
Sarah


>> supposed you have a list (field or var) of elements you want to group
>> like:
>>
>> field 3
>> field 2
>> button 2
>> button 3
>> ...
>>
>> Then you can script (i have a field here):
>>
>> on mouseUp
>> repeat for each line l in fld 1
>> put l && "and " after mylist_to_group
>> end repeat
>> delete word -1 of mylist_to_group
>> do "group" && mylist_to_group
>> ## do what you want to -> group -1
>> ## :-)
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> Tested and works :-)
>>
>> Hope that helps...
> ----------
> Thanks Klaus,
>
> I wish I could tell what's happening, though. I don't recognize the 
> actions
> of the syntax.
>
> Ken N.
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>




From timothy.hart5 at verizon.net  Thu Feb 27 21:52:00 2003
From: timothy.hart5 at verizon.net (Tim Hart)
Date: Thu Feb 27 21:52:00 2003
Subject: Another question today.
Message-ID: <1A0D9C8E-4AC7-11D7-AFDE-0003938DD75E@verizon.net>

Sorry to keep asking question but I just can't figure it out.  I have a 
stack that has a button with the following script in it.  The user 
presses it and then this happens.  It puts images into image "1.jpg".  
I would like to use some of the visual effects, but they don't seem to 
work when you set the filename.  Anyone have any ideas or is it 
impossible?  Thanks a lot in advance.

on mouseup
   set filename of image "1.jpg" to "pics/sue/1.jpg"
   put "My daddy left home when I was three" into field "text"
   wait 5 seconds
   put "And he didn't leave much to Ma and me..." into field "text"
   wait 5 seconds
   set filename of image "1.jpg" to "pics/sue/2.jpg"



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Feb 27 23:25:01 2003
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu Feb 27 23:25:01 2003
Subject: Stopping a buttons actions
References: <BA83C760.2751B%ambassador@fourthworld.com>
Message-ID: <004e01c2dee0$c67f3060$6601a8c0@LightningFlash>

> Tim Hart wrote:
>
> > I have a button which starts a script that takes about two minutes to
> > get through.  I am scrolling through pictures with it.  My problem is
> > stopping in the middle.  How can I stop or pause once the button is hit
> > so I don't have to wait 2 minutes.
>
> Ctrl-. (Win) or Cmd-. (Mac).

Ctrl-. for Windows? I would have thought that it would have been the Escape
key... very few Windows users (if any) would think to use that key
combination. Scott, any chance of mapping Escape to the Cmd-. equivalent for
Windows in the future?

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Fri Feb 28 01:05:01 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Fri Feb 28 01:05:01 2003
Subject: How to add existing buttons to existing group
In-Reply-To: <200302272310.SAA25774@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA843C12.6F81%pixelbird@interisland.net>

I tried to put a few _existing_ buttons into an existing group like this
(which is how I would've done it in HC):

Choose Cut Object from the menu, select the group, Paste.

...didn't work.

How should I do it?

Ken N.



From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Fri Feb 28 01:15:01 2003
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah)
Date: Fri Feb 28 01:15:01 2003
Subject: How to add existing buttons to existing group
In-Reply-To: <a05111afaba84acc87486@[192.168.0.100]>
Message-ID: <55E318F0-4AE3-11D7-B147-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

You're nearly there, you just need one of these two variations on your 
technique:

right-click (control-click) to bring up the contextual menu for the 
group which will include an item "Paste into group"
or
click Edit Group, then paste

Cheers,
Sarah

On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 04:06  pm, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:

> I tried to put a few _existing_ buttons into an existing group like 
> this
> (which is how I would've done it in HC):
>
> Choose Cut Object from the menu, select the group, Paste.
>
> ...didn't work.
>
> How should I do it?
>
> Ken N.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>




From jeanne at runrev.com  Fri Feb 28 01:18:01 2003
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Fri Feb 28 01:18:01 2003
Subject: Combo-box/popup menu in a list field?
In-Reply-To: <BA83F2B6.6393%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
References: <v03130303ba80c853f9c4@[10.0.1.2]>
Message-ID: <v03130310ba849f68d5f8@[10.0.1.2]>

At 8:54 AM -0800 2/27/03, Ben Rubinstein wrote:
>> I'll take a look at this. (You mean just a mention of the menuPick or
>> mouseDown message being sent to the menu button or stack, right?)
>
>It sounds obvious when you say it.  But in the absence of that, there's no
>reason to think that 'the result' of the popup command won't be something
>useful; or to know which message will be relevant.

Oh, definitely. I didn't mean it was obvious - just wanted to make sure I
understood what you meant.

--
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Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From jeanne at runrev.com  Fri Feb 28 01:18:24 2003
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Fri Feb 28 01:18:24 2003
Subject: Other platforms
In-Reply-To: <156.1c6e46f5.2b8f9ff8@aol.com>
Message-ID: <v03130311ba84a1a55cc1@[10.0.1.2]>

At 9:08 AM -0800 2/27/03, Yennie at aol.com wrote:
>On the note of *NIX platforms from my previous Linux thread, this whole
>area seems a bit fuzzy.
> Is there anywhere documented in detail what is supported on the various
>other UNIX platforms?

Take a look at "Supported Platforms Reference". (You can find it under "The
System Environment" in the development guide.)

--
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Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From rjb at escapesports.com  Fri Feb 28 04:20:54 2003
From: rjb at escapesports.com (Ray Bennett)
Date: Fri Feb 28 04:20:54 2003
Subject: XP and ask/answer file commands.
In-Reply-To: <002701c2de95$46cba600$6f00a8c0@mckinley.dom>
Message-ID: <2AA97CD8-4AA2-11D7-B99F-0030657E2BD2@escapesports.com>

Way cool.  Backup and build with pre-beta.  Thanks, Ken!

On Thursday, Feb 27, 2003, at 14:20 America/New_York, Ken Ray wrote:

> This was something that was not working properly in 1.1.1, I believe.
> The MC engine for 2.0 includes the fix to that bug.
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray Bennett" <smilingeyes at mac.com>
> To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 12:43 PM
> Subject: XP and ask/answer file commands.
>
>
>> XP seems to ignore my request to set a default directory where the
> user
>> will be when I ask them to open a file.   OS X / OS 9 both doing just
>> what I'd expect.  XP always goes to where it was last.
>>
>> Help?
>>
>> code sample....
>>
>> put the _workingPath of stack "Fred" & "d_BRK Files/" into thePath
>>    put "*.brk" into theFilters
>>
>>    if the platform = "Win32" then
>>      answer file "Select a  .brk  file:" with thePath with filter
>> theFilters
>>    else
>>      --
>>      answer file "Select a   .brk    file: " with thePath
>>    end if
>>
>>
>> the _workingPath property is my application equivalent of the
>> "defaultfolder" and does end in a "/"
>>
>> The dialog box displayed on the XP box is always wherever I was last.
>> Is the code incorrect?
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Ray
>>
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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Fri Feb 28 05:44:01 2003
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Fri Feb 28 05:44:01 2003
Subject: menu paradigm of Rev/MC and other goofiness  -- like quotes
In-Reply-To: <67622F0A-4A80-11D7-99D6-000A9567A3E6@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <BA84EC6C.641F%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

>> That helps, but look how much easier this is to read and debug:
>> 
>> put "I said, 'Let's go!'"
> 
> I believe there are contexts in which a string literal can have quote
> marks.  I don't know what they all are.

FWIW, my equivalent of Richard's standard "q" script is this, which tends to
end up in the mainstack script of many of my projects.

    function encTQR t --> t
        replace "?" with tab in t
        replace "`" with quote in t
        replace "?" with return in t
        return t
    end encTQR

Needless to say, I develop on the Mac; not sure how this would play on
Windows.  In case this hasn't survived email, the three characters are delta
(option-J), 'backwards apostrophe' (under the tilde key on most keyboards)
and paragraph symbol (option-7).

Hence I can say
   put encTQR("He said `What is this 'Revolution' of which you speak?`")
or
   put encTQR("id?mailing name?sortname?address?") into datafile
or
   put encTQR("<html>??<head>???<title>the title</title>??</head>?") into t
etc...

 
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From dvk at dvkconsult.com.au  Fri Feb 28 06:01:01 2003
From: dvk at dvkconsult.com.au (David Vaughan)
Date: Fri Feb 28 06:01:01 2003
Subject: Stopping a button's action
In-Reply-To: <200302280922.EAA03253@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <5B9D6C0A-4B0B-11D7-8A38-000393598038@dvkconsult.com.au>

On Friday, Feb 28, 2003, at 20:22 Australia/Sydney, Scott Raney 
<raney at metacard.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 27 Feb 2003 Richard Gaskin <ambassador at fourthworld.com> wrote:
>
>> Anyone have an efficient way of implementing a Cancel button from 
>> within a
>> loop?
>
> You can use "wait for messages" to do this:
snip

Scott, sorry, I don't get this. From the TD it looks as though a "wait 
for messages" in (or outside) the loop will halt that handler, whereas 
putting it in the Cancel button handler seems...pointless. What is it 
you actually have in mind please, or does the doco mis-describe the 
operation?

In any case, should not this be handled by "send in time" as the 
effective looping device, to allow other messages to intrude on the 
queue? Of course, that does not work as expected either, as I (and Dar 
as I recall) wrote in some correspondence a couple of months ago.

thanks
David

>   Regards,
>     Scott
>
>> -- 
>> Richard Gaskin
>> Fourth World Media Corporation
>> Developer of WebMerge 2.2: Publish any database on any site
>> ___________________________________________________________
>> Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
>> Tel: 323-225-3717                       AIM: FourthWorldInc
>
> ********************************************************
> Scott Raney  raney at metacard.com  http://www.metacard.com
> MetaCard: You know, there's an easier way to do that...
>



From ambassador at fourthworld.com  Fri Feb 28 06:06:01 2003
From: ambassador at fourthworld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Fri Feb 28 06:06:01 2003
Subject: menu paradigm of Rev/MC and other goofiness  -- like quotes
In-Reply-To: <BA84EC6C.641F%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <BA8481C0.275CA%ambassador@fourthworld.com>

Ben Rubinstein wrote:

>>> That helps, but look how much easier this is to read and debug:
>>> 
>>> put "I said, 'Let's go!'"
>> 
>> I believe there are contexts in which a string literal can have quote
>> marks.  I don't know what they all are.
> 
> FWIW, my equivalent of Richard's standard "q" script is this, which tends to
> end up in the mainstack script of many of my projects.
> 
> function encTQR t --> t
> replace "?" with tab in t
> replace "`" with quote in t
> replace "?" with return in t
> return t
> end encTQR
> 
> Needless to say, I develop on the Mac; not sure how this would play on
> Windows.  In case this hasn't survived email, the three characters are delta
> (option-J), 'backwards apostrophe' (under the tilde key on most keyboards)
> and paragraph symbol (option-7).
> 
> Hence I can say
> put encTQR("He said `What is this 'Revolution' of which you speak?`")
> or
> put encTQR("id?mailing name?sortname?address?") into datafile
> or
> put encTQR("<html>??<head>???<title>the title</title>??</head>?") into t
> etc...

You may enjoy the format function also - from the MC 2.4.3 Read Me:

  A format() function has been added with a syntax compatible with
  the C printf function.  This is most useful for padding strings
  with spaces, or controlling the format of numbers with more
  flexibility than is possible with the numberFormat property.


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From k_major at os.surf2000.de  Fri Feb 28 06:32:01 2003
From: k_major at os.surf2000.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri Feb 28 06:32:01 2003
Subject: More groups
In-Reply-To: <7B807C9B-4AC4-11D7-913E-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <F5301939-4B0F-11D7-87EF-000A27B49A96@os.surf2000.de>

Hi Sarah,

> ...
> Hope you don't mind me answering this one Klaus, but we're awake over 
> here in Oz, while I figured you must be still asleep :-)

Thanks for acting as a substitute for me while i was asleep :-)

> Cheers,
> Sarah

Have a nice weekend.


Best from "down over" (?) :-)


Klaus Major
k_major at os.surf2000.de



From k_major at os.surf2000.de  Fri Feb 28 06:33:00 2003
From: k_major at os.surf2000.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri Feb 28 06:33:00 2003
Subject: Another question today.
In-Reply-To: <1A0D9C8E-4AC7-11D7-AFDE-0003938DD75E@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <FC5C6511-4B0F-11D7-87EF-000A27B49A96@os.surf2000.de>

Hi Tim,

> Sorry to keep asking question but I just can't figure it out.  I have 
> a stack that has a button with the following script in it.  The user 
> presses it and then this happens.  It puts images into image "1.jpg".  
> I would like to use some of the visual effects, but they don't seem to 
> work when you set the filename.  Anyone have any ideas or is it 
> impossible?  Thanks a lot in advance.
>
> on mouseup
>   set filename of image "1.jpg" to "pics/sue/1.jpg"
>   put "My daddy left home when I was three" into field "text"
>   wait 5 seconds
>   put "And he didn't leave much to Ma and me..." into field "text"
>   wait 5 seconds
>   set filename of image "1.jpg" to "pics/sue/2.jpg"

you can lock the screen and unlock it again with a visual effect.


...
   put "And he didn't leave much to Ma and me..." into field "text"
   wait 5 seconds
   lock screen
   set filename of image "1.jpg" to "pics/sue/2.jpg"
   unlock screen with visual dissolve very slow
...

Hope that helps.


Regards

Klaus Major
k_major at os.surf2000.de



From timothy.hart5 at verizon.net  Fri Feb 28 07:17:01 2003
From: timothy.hart5 at verizon.net (Tim Hart)
Date: Fri Feb 28 07:17:01 2003
Subject: Another question today.
In-Reply-To: <FC5C6511-4B0F-11D7-87EF-000A27B49A96@os.surf2000.de>
Message-ID: <EECB481D-4B15-11D7-A4A8-0003938DD75E@verizon.net>


On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 06:30 AM, Klaus Major wrote:
>>
>
> you can lock the screen and unlock it again with a visual effect.
>
>
> ...
>   put "And he didn't leave much to Ma and me..." into field "text"
>   wait 5 seconds
>   lock screen
>   set filename of image "1.jpg" to "pics/sue/2.jpg"
>   unlock screen with visual dissolve very slow
> ...
>
> Hope that helps.
>
>
> Thanks a tons Klaus. 
>  
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From bornstein at designeq.com  Fri Feb 28 07:22:00 2003
From: bornstein at designeq.com (Howard Bornstein)
Date: Fri Feb 28 07:22:00 2003
Subject: Type 2 & 3 errors
Message-ID: <200302281217.h1SCHobF000793@ms-smtp-03.nyroc.rr.com>

>Though they may seem chaotic, computers are ultimately deterministic
>systems, meaning simply that the same actions will produce the same result.
>Once we can determine the difference between actions that trigger the crash
>and those that don't, the issue will likely become resolvable.

Of course, that asssumes reliable functioning of the computer. I remember 
spending an entire day trying to find out why my friend's Mac kept 
crashing (of course we suspected extension conflicts). After trying every 
possible variation and not coming up with a pattern, I suggested that she 
had a hardware (most likely memory) problem. We took it into the shop, 
swapped out a bank of bad memory, and voila, no more crashes!

Regards,
Howard Bornstein
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From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Fri Feb 28 10:52:01 2003
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Fri Feb 28 10:52:01 2003
Subject: More groups
In-Reply-To: <BA83D4D1.6F74%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <053C5314-4B34-11D7-AA16-003065683ECC@inspiredlogic.com>

Navigator would let you easily select the objects to be grouped without 
worrying about positioning, etc. It comes with the 2.0 beta, but also 
works with 1.1.1:

http://www.inspiredlogic.com/navigator

On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 02:44 PM, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm not quite sure how to do this:
>
> I want to group of buttons which are already made and not in a 
> particular
> order (as in 1-40). Doing them by hand is wonky and time consuming,
> Sometimes it misses, or I accidenatally mess up the position or size, 
> too,
> and have to fix it.
>
> So, I want to just make a list of stuff that I want grouped with 
> background
> behavior, but I'm not sure how to script it. Actually, I'd like to 
> make a
> little temporary UI to do these types of things. In this case, though, 
> I
> just need a temporary button with a script to do what I want.
>
> Advice from the masters?
>
> TIA,
> Ken N.

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com



From cm_sheffield at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 28 11:22:05 2003
From: cm_sheffield at yahoo.com (Chris Sheffield)
Date: Fri Feb 28 11:22:05 2003
Subject: Revolution vs. MetaCard
Message-ID: <20030228161033.54405.qmail@web20420.mail.yahoo.com>

My company is currently looking at several development
tools to use for developing a reading comprehension
program for elementary age students.  The program
consists of several levels of stories that the student
must interact with in different ways.  There is also a
teacher management portion that the teachers use to
administer tests and track student progress throughout
the course.  A full reporting system is a must.

Anyway, I have been seriously looking at Revolution,
as I'm sure it would do the job for us, but then I
heard mention of MetaCard, which sounds like almost
exactly the same thing.  So my question is, what's the
differency between the two?  Is one better than the
other?  Does someone have something that compares the
two?  Maybe a white paper or something like that?  Is
one easier to use than the other?  How about database
access?

I would appreciate any feedback from anyone.

Thank you,

Chris Sheffield
Read Naturally

P.S.  For a peak at what we're wanting to do, go to
www.readnaturally.com.  The software is currently done
in Macromedia Authorware.


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From pixelbird at interisland.net  Fri Feb 28 12:59:01 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Fri Feb 28 12:59:01 2003
Subject: More groups
In-Reply-To: <200302280922.EAA03336@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA84E381.6F8D%pixelbird@interisland.net>

**********
> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 12:29:37 +1000
> Subject: Re: More groups
> From: Sarah <sarahr at genesearch.com.au>

> Hi Ken,
> 
> Try stepping through with the Script Debugger. You will see that Klaus'
> script builds a string from the list of objects in his field, using a
> repeat for each loop. So mylist_to_group ends up containing:
> field 3 and field 2 and button 2 and button 3 and
> As it ends with an extra "and", he deletes the last word (word -1 means
> last word - you can use either syntax).
> Then he adds the word "group" to the front of his list and uses "do" to
----------
Yes, I just made the stuff visible in a field, and it came clear right away.

Thanks much,
Ken N.



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Fri Feb 28 13:15:01 2003
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Fri Feb 28 13:15:01 2003
Subject: How to add existing buttons to existing group
In-Reply-To: <200302280922.EAA03336@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <BA84E743.6F8E%pixelbird@interisland.net>

**********
> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 16:10:28 +1000
> Subject: Re: How to add existing buttons to existing group
> From: Sarah <sarahr at genesearch.com.au>
> 
> You're nearly there, you just need one of these two variations on your
> technique:
> 
> right-click (control-click) to bring up the contextual menu for the
> group which will include an item "Paste into group"
> or
> click Edit Group, then paste
----------
OK, thanks, I got it.

Ken N.



From miscdas at boxfrog.com  Fri Feb 28 13:37:00 2003
From: miscdas at boxfrog.com (miscdas at boxfrog.com)
Date: Fri Feb 28 13:37:00 2003
Subject: Stopping a buttons actions
In-Reply-To: <004e01c2dee0$c67f3060$6601a8c0@LightningFlash> 
References: <BA83C760.2751B%ambassador@fourthworld.com>
            <004e01c2dee0$c67f3060$6601a8c0@LightningFlash>
Message-ID: <20030228183532.69098.qmail@www.boxfrog.com>

Ken Ray writes: 

> Ctrl-. for Windows? I would have thought that it would have been the Escape
> key... very few Windows users (if any) would think to use that key
> combination. Scott, any chance of mapping Escape to the Cmd-. equivalent for
> Windows in the future? 
> 
> Ken Ray
========= 

With Win XP Pro, MC 2.4.3, my abort sequence is Ctrlc
ESC has no effect
Ctrl- has no effect 

miscdas 



From marty at vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu  Fri Feb 28 13:51:00 2003
From: marty at vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu (Marty Billingsley)
Date: Fri Feb 28 13:51:00 2003
Subject: playing sounds 
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.30.0302281242290.14379-100000@vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu>

A recent convert from HyperCard asks:
How do I mimic HyperCard's play command in Revolution?

Specifically, how do I go about making the following HC command work:
  play "harpsichord" C4q
which plays middle C for a quarter note with a harpsichord sound.

Do I have to import a sound resource?  How do I do that?  Are there
any built-in sounds?

Thanks,
  - marty

--
Marty Billingsley
The University of Chicago Laboratory Schools



From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Fri Feb 28 13:55:01 2003
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Fri Feb 28 13:55:01 2003
Subject: Stopping a buttons actions
Message-ID: <OF69AF49A0.64FE935A-ON85256CDB.00672E15@sealedair.com>

> Ken Ray writes:
>
>> Ctrl-. for Windows? I would have thought that it would have been the
Escape
>> key... very few Windows users (if any) would think to use that key
>> combination. Scott, any chance of mapping Escape to the Cmd-. equivalent
for
>> Windows in the future?
>>
>> Ken Ray
> =========
>
> With Win XP Pro, MC 2.4.3, my abort sequence is Ctrlc
> ESC has no effect
**********************
> Ctrl- has no effect
**********************
>
> miscdas

miscdas,

I believe that is Ctrl(period) instead of Ctrl(dash). Ctrl(period) is the
normal cancel sequence on MacOS systems.

Roger Eller
roger.e.eller at sealedair.com




From miscdas at boxfrog.com  Fri Feb 28 14:16:01 2003
From: miscdas at boxfrog.com (miscdas at boxfrog.com)
Date: Fri Feb 28 14:16:01 2003
Subject: Stopping a buttons actions
In-Reply-To: <OF69AF49A0.64FE935A-ON85256CDB.00672E15@sealedair.com> 
References: <OF69AF49A0.64FE935A-ON85256CDB.00672E15@sealedair.com>
Message-ID: <20030228191507.43634.qmail@www.boxfrog.com>

Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com writes: 

> 
>> Ken Ray writes: 
>>
>>> Ctrl-. for Windows? I would have thought that it would have been the
> Escape
>>> key... very few Windows users (if any) would think to use that key
>>> combination. Scott, any chance of mapping Escape to the Cmd-. equivalent
> for
>>> Windows in the future? 
>>>
>>> Ken Ray
>> ========= 
>>
>> With Win XP Pro, MC 2.4.3, my abort sequence is Ctrlc
>> ESC has no effect
> **********************
>> Ctrl- has no effect
> **********************
>>
>> miscdas
> 
> miscdas, 
> 
> I believe that is Ctrl(period) instead of Ctrl(dash). Ctrl(period) is the
> normal cancel sequence on MacOS systems. 
> 
> Roger Eller
> roger.e.eller at sealedair.com
==========
Mr. Eller, 

Thanks for the info. Perhaps Ctrl-. is the syntax in the Mac world for 
showing 2 keys pressed simultaneously? If yes, I didn't recognize this 
because the Windows standard syntax for pressing 2 key simultaneous is the 
plus symbol. e.g. pressing the control key and c key simultaneously is 
Ctrl+c
Ctrl(period) does indeed work the same as Ctrlc. As a Windoze user, I would 
never have thought to try such a combination. 


miscdas 



From Revinfo1155 at aol.com  Fri Feb 28 14:36:00 2003
From: Revinfo1155 at aol.com (Revinfo1155 at aol.com)
Date: Fri Feb 28 14:36:00 2003
Subject: Password Protect a stack
Message-ID: <66.2f281aef.2b911314@aol.com>

I would like to password protect a stack the same way we can in hypercard. 
Can someone help with 
the necessary scripts.

Jack
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Feb 28 16:15:01 2003
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri Feb 28 16:15:01 2003
Subject: playing sounds
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.30.0302281242290.14379-100000@vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.30.0302281242290.14379-100000@vertex.ucls.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <3E5FD06F.1060906@hyperactivesw.com>

On 2/28/03 12:46 PM, Marty Billingsley wrote:
> A recent convert from HyperCard asks:
> How do I mimic HyperCard's play command in Revolution?
> 
> Specifically, how do I go about making the following HC command work:
>   play "harpsichord" C4q
> which plays middle C for a quarter note with a harpsichord sound.

This isn't supported natively. But hang on -- by tonight or tomorrow I 
will have a solution for everyone who has been asking for this feature. 
Stay tuned.  :)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From alrice at ARCplanning.com  Fri Feb 28 16:32:01 2003
From: alrice at ARCplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Fri Feb 28 16:32:01 2003
Subject: ugh. WinXP background color
In-Reply-To: <ACEELABEAIANJNCEJFMAEEBCDCAA.chipp@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <8ADEAA54-4B63-11D7-84B9-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>

On Thursday, January 9, 2003, at 02:36  AM, Chipp Walters wrote:
>
> http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/UsefulScripts.htm
> entitled "Fixing XP default background color"
>
Here is the aforementioned workaround:

if word 1 of the systemVersion is "NT" and word 2 of the systemVersion 
 > 5 then
   put queryRegistry("HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Colors\MenuBar") 
into tColor
   if tColor <> "" then
     put word 1 of tColor,word 2 of tColor,word 3 of tColor into tColor
     set the backgroundColor of this stack to tColor
   end if
end if

I am using this workaround. It works fine in the IDE, but in my 
standalone it does not. I am getting 236,233,216 from the registry and 
setting to into the backgroundColor. In the IDE it's a tan color, and 
in the standalone, as soon as the background color is set, my app goes 
all *black* (everything that inherits background color, like all 
controls).

I have to do something because my standalone which looks beautiful on 
Windows 2000 looks poorly on WinXP because all the controls are white, 
and on a white background that looks really stupid.

Any suggestions? Thanks,

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com





From alrice at ARCplanning.com  Fri Feb 28 17:08:01 2003
From: alrice at ARCplanning.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Fri Feb 28 17:08:01 2003
Subject: ugh. WinXP background color
In-Reply-To: <8ADEAA54-4B63-11D7-84B9-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>
Message-ID: <87EDE890-4B68-11D7-84B9-000393529642@ARCplanning.com>

On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 02:28  PM, Alex Rice wrote:
> if word 1 of the systemVersion is "NT" and word 2 of the systemVersion 
> > 5 then
>   put queryRegistry("HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Colors\MenuBar") 
> into tColor
>   if tColor <> "" then
>     put word 1 of tColor,word 2 of tColor,word 3 of tColor into tColor
>     set the backgroundColor of this stack to tColor
>   end if
> end if

I just discovered that if I put the above code into preOpenStack 
instead of startup handler, it works as intended. Bizarre!

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alrice at ARCplanning.com
alrice at swcp.com