From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Mon Apr  1 05:21:00 2002
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon Apr  1 05:21:00 2002
Subject: Digests, anyone?
Message-ID: <a0510030ab8cde43b90e0@[206.117.139.34]>

I'm hoping to assemble a complete archive of the list. I seem to recall that someone has been saving all the archive files. I can make an FTP server available, or just take them through email, whichever is easier. Specifically I'm looking for digests 1 - 178

thanks!
-- 

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com


From michael at GreppyDreppies.com  Mon Apr  1 08:10:01 2002
From: michael at GreppyDreppies.com (Michael D Mays)
Date: Mon Apr  1 08:10:01 2002
Subject: MOD function does not work!  So be warned!
In-Reply-To: <B8CCD7CF.5169E%michael@GreppyDreppies.com>
Message-ID: <B8CDB7C3.51EB1%michael@GreppyDreppies.com>

Michael D  Mays of michael at greppydreppies.com wrote the following on 3/31/02
3:12 PM

> The error does not accumulate. Try summing a million .10. There is no
> accumulation.

What numbskull posted this?!

The round off error accumulates.

michael



From guzdial at cc.gatech.edu  Mon Apr  1 09:25:01 2002
From: guzdial at cc.gatech.edu (Mark Guzdial)
Date: Mon Apr  1 09:25:01 2002
Subject: Revolution for CGI Scripts
In-Reply-To: <a0510030ab8cde43b90e0@[206.117.139.34]>
Message-ID: <FEC06E68-457B-11D6-B835-003065CC5152@cc.gatech.edu>

How does one get started exploring Revolution for CGI Scripts?  I don't 
see anything in the built-in documentation nor anything on the website.

Thanks!
Mark



From eijkhout at cs.utk.edu  Mon Apr  1 12:57:01 2002
From: eijkhout at cs.utk.edu (Victor Eijkhout)
Date: Mon Apr  1 12:57:01 2002
Subject: How can I foreground an app?
Message-ID: <a0510101db8ce4f4f1e0a@[192.168.123.111]>

(With my apologies for that case of verbing in the subject :-)

I'm writing an alarm clock. When the alarm goes off it would be nice 
if the app became foremost, so that the user could hit the Any Key to 
snooze the alarm.

So how do I tell an app that's not foremost, or maybe even hidden to 
become foremost?
-- 
Victor Eijkhout <eijkhout at cs.utk.edu>
tel: 865 974 9308 (W), 865 673 6998 (H), 865 974 8296 (F)
http://www.cs.utk.edu/~eijkhout/


From steve at messimercomputing.com  Mon Apr  1 15:03:01 2002
From: steve at messimercomputing.com (Steve Messimer)
Date: Mon Apr  1 15:03:01 2002
Subject: use-revolution digest, Vol 1 #304 - 4 msgs
In-Reply-To: <200204011701.MAA05418@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <4C0E2A23-45AB-11D6-84F5-000A27D75508@messimercomputing.com>

On Monday, April 1, 2002, at 12:01 PM, use-revolution-
request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> How does one get started exploring Revolution for CGI Scripts?  I don't
> see anything in the built-in documentation nor anything on the website.
>
> Thanks!
> Mark
>
I'd be very interested in this topic as well.

Thanks
Steve



From katir at hindu.org  Mon Apr  1 15:32:01 2002
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Mon Apr  1 15:32:01 2002
Subject: Revolution for CGI Scripts
In-Reply-To: <200204011701.MAA05409@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <B8CDE75C.9B5C%katir@hindu.org>

on 4/1/02 7:01 AM, Mark Guzdial  wrote:

> How does one get started exploring Revolution for CGI Scripts?
It's great you will love it... forget PERL.

>I don't 
> see anything in the built-in documentation nor anything on the website.
Yes, no documentation released: Here's the quick version.. assumes you have
web space on a remote host in a virtual domain (i.e. your ISP/web host...)

1) get a UNIX friend to download and un tar the engine (you might have to
get the engine from the Metacard site) you need for the platform you will be
one... Solaris or whatever..have them FTP that to you using binary
transfer...  ( in my case, to our site and then I download to my Mac... be
sure to use binary transfer)

2) Now, upload that engine to your cgi-bin on the site, set permissions to
CHMOD 755... then take a look in your web master error logs and you will see
the path that the server uses to point to files in your public_html
directory. This may vary from server to server

3) then you put scripts on the site, in your CGI bin like this:

#!/export/vhost/org/g/greatsite/www/public_html/cgi-bin/mc

--where the above is the path to files in your home/public_html
--and simply points to the MC engine you installed

on startup
   set the directory to "../images"
   put random(49) into ArtNo
   put "taka_art_" &ArtNo&".gif" into nextArt
   put URL ("binfile:header_art/"&nextArt) into URL
("binfile:taka_header_art.gif")
 put "Done" into theResult
  put "Content-Type: text/html" & cr
   put "Content-Length:" && the length of theResult & cr & cr
   put theResult
end startUp

now, set the permissions CHMOD 755 for the above script also.


fyi the above script takes a random image from a folder (all the same size
of course) and copies it to another image... the html file that uses the
image then has a different image in that same place. i.e. this is a daily
rotation of an image on site.

Here is another script that processes a simple subscription on a form and
sends email off to subscribe the individual

#!/export/vhost/org/g/greatwebsite/www/public_html/cgi-bin/mc
 on startup
    read from stdin until empty
    put  urlDecode (it)  into tDataIn
    split tDataIn by "&" and "="
    put isWellFormedMailtoScheme (tDataIn ["email"]) into emailCheck
    switch emailCheck
      case "False"
      put badEmail(fixYourEmail) into tResponse
      break     
      case "True"

put  tDataIn ["subscribe_mc"] into tRemit
put tDataIn ["email"] after tRemit

  put "---Valid Web Subscription--" & cr before tRemit
    put "/usr/lib/sendmail -t" into mprocess
 open process mprocess for write
  write "From:" && "webmaster at hindu.org" & cr to process mprocess
   write "To:" && "mylistAdmin at someListServe.org" & cr to process mprocess
 write "Subject:" && "Subscriber to Master Course" & cr & cr to process
mprocess
  write tRemit to process mprocess
  close process mprocess
  wait until the openprocesses is empty
 ## now we send an acknowledgement to the person by HTTP
 put url "file:../mc/subscr-mc_thankyou.shtml" into tResponse
   replace "***Subscriber***" with tDataIn ["email"] in tResponse
end switch

  put "Content-Type: text/html" & cr
  put "Content-Length:" && the length of tResponse & cr & cr
  put tResponse

 end startup

##this function is a bit "hokey" but works ... new regEx expressions
## should make this easier now... but haven't had time to re-write it.


function isWellFormedMailtoScheme  email

  # return TRUE if email is a legal email URI, else return FALSE
  # We are not actually *validating* the email address, only its syntax.
  # Per address specification rules of RFC822: Standard for ARPA Internet
Text Messages
  # http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc822/Overview.html
  
  # Basic syntax requires: one or more characters before the @ sign,

  split email by "@"
  if extents(email) <> "1,2" then return false # only 1 @-sign is permitted
  put email[2] into hostanddomain
  
  # There are 2 options to check, domain-literal or domain-logical:


  # domain-literal option:
  # primitive network host address form, must have [###.###.###.###] where 0
< # < 256
  if char 1 of hostanddomain = "[" then
    if not last char of hostanddomain = "]" then return false
    delete char 1 of hostanddomain
    delete last char of hostanddomain
    set the itemDel to "."
    if the num of items of hostanddomain <> 4 then return false
    repeat with x = 1 to 4
      if not isNumber(item x of hostanddomain) then return false
      if item x of hostanddomain > 255 or item x of hostanddomain < 1 then
return false
    end repeat
    return TRUE
  end if
  
  # domain-logical option: (the "normal" form)
  # this permits an arbitrary number of strings separated by ".", ending in
a domain name
  set the itemDel to "."
  put the num of items of hostanddomain into hostanddomainItems
  if hostanddomainItems = 0 then return false
  if hostanddomain contains ".." then return false # empty hosts not allowed
  repeat with x = length(hostanddomain) down to 1
    if not ("0123456789.-abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz_" contains char x of
hostanddomain) then return false
  end repeat
  return TRUE
end isWellFormedMailtoScheme

function badEmail
put "<html><head><Title>There is a problem with your email address!"\
& "</TITLE></HEAD><CENTER><BODY BGCOLOR=#ffffff> <FONT
color=FF0000><h3>Sorry,"\
& "there was something wrong in the way you entered your email. <br>"\
& "Please go back and enter it again. Thank
you.</H3></FONT></CENTER></BODY></HTML>" into fixYourEmail
return fixYourEmail
end badEmail


> Thanks!
> Mark

I also have a REV "gadget" that I keep all my cgi's in and I can upload them
to site, set CHMOD automatically and then run them and "catch" and returned
data in a field... for fast testing i.e. avoids the FTP
Client/browser/Bbedit loop for your dev and testing.

Hinduism Today

Sivakatirswami
Editor's Assistant/Production Manager
katir at hindu.org 
www.HinduismToday.com, www.HimalayanAcademy.com,
www.Gurudeva.org, www.hindu.org

Read The Master Course Lesson of the Day at
http://www.gurudeva.org/lesson.shtml



From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Apr  1 15:37:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon Apr  1 15:37:01 2002
Subject: MOD function does not work!  So be warned!
In-Reply-To: <843EA753-44F3-11D6-8C81-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <603C8FEE-45AF-11D6-B120-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

Ian wrote,
>   put .1 * adjustment into increment

On Sunday, March 31, 2002, at 03:06 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

>> The problem is completely avoided.
>
> In general no.  In the special case of mod 550, maybe.

I'm wrong.  Well, 99%. You are right, Ian.  A very large class of 
computations will work OK by  using signed whole numbers (less than 
15 digits).  You will want to make sure you don't let the error of 
a fraction sneak in.

Revolution numbers represent integers (in the math sense) up to 
about 15 digits exactly.  I apologize for the confusion.

(A simple mental exercise:  Imagine some arbitrary non-zero decimal 
number.  Imagine that you convert it to binary.  Imagine that you 
shift the binary point to the left, counting the bits you pass.  
Shift it to just to the right of the left-most bit that is a 1.  
Imagine that you cut off the portion to the right of the binary 
point beyond some number of bits corresponding to mantessa of the 
floating point number.  Note that no ones are dropped off.)

Y' know, a number improvement based on Ian's idea would be a lot 
more feasible than my idea of exact numerals (and applying 
numberFormat to calculations).

Sorry about the error.  As the great philosopher Michael Mays said,
> What numbskull posted this?!

Dar Scott



From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Apr  1 16:28:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon Apr  1 16:28:01 2002
Subject: Tentative Guidelines for Numbers
Message-ID: <87697B0C-45B6-11D6-B120-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

To make up for any confusion I helped create and to help contribute 
to easing the confusion about using Revolution numbers in general, 
I offer these guidelines on using Revolution numbers.  This is 
based on my experience in computer representations of numbers and 
only a brief exposure to Revolution.

Perhaps this can be a starting point that we can hack at to get 
something appropriate.

1.
Signed whole numbers of up to 15 digits are represented exactly.  
If results of multiplication, addition and subtraction on numbers 
in this range are in this range, then the results are exact.  Many 
cases of division and exponentiation are exact.  Some other 
functions might give exact results.  (This needs more exploration.  
Stronger statements about subtraction and exponentiation may be 
appropriate.)

Use numbers in this range if exact results are important.  Be 
careful not to corrupt your calculations with values outside this 
range.

2.
Very large numbers (ignoring sign) or numbers with fractional parts 
might not be represented exactly.  Errors in math functions on such 
numbers can accumulate.  Also, adding a small number to a large 
number can cause information about the small to be lost and in the 
extreme case will not cause a change in the number.

If you are adding a large number of numbers, consider starting with 
the smallest first.

Avoid using = when you can.  Use > or < for boundary conditions 
rather than =.

In loops use the "repeat with" form and derive values for each 
iteration from the loop variable  instead of incrementing numbers 
with fractions.

Consider scaling arithmetic into a whole number range.

3.
Equality for numbers is tolerant of small differences.

Use = for numbers in 2 above only after a couple calculations.  
Accumulated errors may go outside of what = will consider equal.

Use < or < before <= or >=.  Use any before =.  (Actually, I'm 
guessing about <= or >=.  Some tests need to be run to see if they 
have the same tolerance as =.)

4.
The underlying number representation is carried along in 
expressions and variables.  A value might behave one way when used 
as a number and other when used as a string (sequence of 
characters).  Not that ( n & empty ) will force representation to a 
string and apply numberFormat.  For some values, ( n & empty) = n 
is false.  If you can see a number (as a numeral), it has been 
converted to a string.

You can use ( n & empty ) to round as defined in numberFormat.  Use 
this, round() and truncate() as need when working with numbers in 
#2 above.

5.
Some fractional numbers are exact, such as 0.5.

Take advantage of this.

6.
The range for bit functions and base conversion is more restricted 
than that in #1 above.

7.
Very large and very exact numerals can be represented exactly as 
strings, of course.  However, the results of math functions on 
those will be based on values with the limitations described above.


I hope this helps.  It needs corrections, additions, 
clarifications, detailing, wisecracks...


Dar Scott



From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Apr  1 16:47:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon Apr  1 16:47:01 2002
Subject: Revolution for CGI Scripts
In-Reply-To: <B8CDE75C.9B5C%katir@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <217D9178-45B9-11D6-B120-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Monday, April 1, 2002, at 01:30 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:

> It's great you will love it... forget PERL.

Cool!  I am confused about a couple things, though.

1.
Why is there no quit in your examples?

2.
I thought put <expr> went to the message box.  Why this instead of 
writing to stdout?

3.
Does the stack need to be invisible?  Other?

If I'm really confused about Revolution and CGI, I hope these 
questions give some indication about where I am confused.

Dar Scott




From iansummerfield at btconnect.com  Mon Apr  1 20:43:01 2002
From: iansummerfield at btconnect.com (Ian Summerfield)
Date: Mon Apr  1 20:43:01 2002
Subject: How can I foreground an app?
In-Reply-To: <a0510101db8ce4f4f1e0a@[192.168.123.111]>
Message-ID: <B8CECAA9.628D%iansummerfield@btconnect.com>

For Macintosh using you store the name of your app in the variable
"theNameOfMyApp":

Do "tell application " & quote & theNameOfMyApp & quote & " to activate" as
applescript

I don't think they will be a common solution to all platforms, but I could
be wrong.   I have a revolution program that keeps my FileMaker server in
the foreground 24/7,  well apart from certain hours where it quits it for
backup and launches it again,  I do the same thing with Firstclass servers.

-i-

On 1/4/02 6:56 pm, "Victor Eijkhout" <eijkhout at cs.utk.edu> scribed:

> (With my apologies for that case of verbing in the subject :-)
> 
> I'm writing an alarm clock. When the alarm goes off it would be nice
> if the app became foremost, so that the user could hit the Any Key to
> snooze the alarm.
> 
> So how do I tell an app that's not foremost, or maybe even hidden to
> become foremost?
> -- 
> Victor Eijkhout <eijkhout at cs.utk.edu>
> tel: 865 974 9308 (W), 865 673 6998 (H), 865 974 8296 (F)
> http://www.cs.utk.edu/~eijkhout/
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From iansummerfield at btconnect.com  Mon Apr  1 20:44:00 2002
From: iansummerfield at btconnect.com (Ian Summerfield)
Date: Mon Apr  1 20:44:00 2002
Subject: Digests, anyone?
In-Reply-To: <a0510030ab8cde43b90e0@[206.117.139.34]>
Message-ID: <B8CECB13.628E%iansummerfield@btconnect.com>

Try:

http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/


Don't know who's it is!

On 1/4/02 11:19 am, "Geoff Canyon" <gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com> scribed:

> I'm hoping to assemble a complete archive of the list. I seem to recall that
> someone has been saving all the archive files. I can make an FTP server
> available, or just take them through email, whichever is easier. Specifically
> I'm looking for digests 1 - 178
> 
> thanks!
> -- 
> 
> regards,
> 
> Geoff Canyon
> gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution

----------------------------------
Ian Summerfield
ICQ: 4378866
----------------------------------



From iansummerfield at btconnect.com  Mon Apr  1 20:48:01 2002
From: iansummerfield at btconnect.com (Ian Summerfield)
Date: Mon Apr  1 20:48:01 2002
Subject: pasting objects
In-Reply-To: <B8C9EBDF.526%steve@messimercomputing.com>
Message-ID: <B8CECBF1.6290%iansummerfield@btconnect.com>

I think it should be just "paste",  I wasn't aware of paste having any
parameters.  "It" will contain the ID of the newly created object.


On 29/3/02 3:01 pm, "Steve Messimer" <steve at messimercomputing.com> scribed:

> Hi,
> 
> I am having problems writing a script that pastes an objects from a plug-in
> to any other stack.
> 
> When I do this the target button does get pasted but then an error message
> pops up that aborts the remainder of the script.
> 
> the problem code hilited by the debugger is ...
> 
> paste btn bGOName
> 
> here's the pertinent part of the script.
> 
> -- creates new btn in destination stack
> copy btn bGOName -- bGOName is a var that holds the name of the bGO
> push card
> open stack targetStack -- this is the topStack
> go to card id targetCard  -- the id of the current card of the topStack
> paste btn bGOName  -- this is the code that always invokes the debugger
> -- I'm wondering if this problem is somehow related to the menu bar's
> -- status even tho the Paste Objects menu item is active in the plug-in it
> -- may not be in the tarrget stack.
> 
> <script execution ceases here>
> 
> pop card
> -- make new TF grp
> copy grp bGOName
> push card
> open stack targetStack
> go to card id targetCard
> paste grp bGOName
> pop card
> 
> Anyone have any ideas?
> 




From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Mon Apr  1 22:39:03 2002
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Mon Apr  1 22:39:03 2002
Subject: File I/O, Arrays, and Databases in Revolution
In-Reply-To: <S.0000544079@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <035857D8-45EB-11D6-802E-00306566C7B4@genesearch.com.au>

>> fields, scientific notation fields, etc.  In looking at the Revolution
>> documentation, it appears that I have to somehow read or write each 
>> line
>> as a string, then somehow parse each field from this string.  So how do
>> you do this efficiently in Revolution?   Please note that the files
>> created by the FORTRAN programs are fairly large.
>>
>
> open file filename for read
> read from file until EOF
> put it into DaFile
> close file Filename
>

Don't forget the URL command which is MUCH simpler than all this file 
stuff:

put URL ("file:" & theFileName) into DaFile

(Note: fileName is a reserved word and shouldn't be used for a variable 
name - if you colorize your scripts, you'll see and reserved words go 
red.)

Cheers,
Sarah




From BradAllen at mac.com  Mon Apr  1 23:34:01 2002
From: BradAllen at mac.com (Brad Allen)
Date: Mon Apr  1 23:34:01 2002
Subject: How can I foreground an app?
In-Reply-To: <B8CECAA9.628D%iansummerfield@btconnect.com>
References: <B8CECAA9.628D%iansummerfield@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <a0510150eb8cee2f27eff@[207.13.30.31]>

The problem here is that Applescript's "activate" command only works 
on scriptable apps. A Rev standalone doesn't have a scripting 
dictionary, and isn't directly Applescriptable. However, if you're 
using a Mac, something like this should work:

tell app "Finder"
   set the frontmost of application process "My Alarm Clock" to true
end tell

...where "My Alarm Clock" is the name of your Rev standalone.

If you can't use Applescript due to cross-platform consideration, you 
might try using Rev's Launch command, as in

Launch "My Alarm Clock"

I'm not sure whether that would work under Windows, but it's worth a try.

>For Macintosh using you store the name of your app in the variable
>"theNameOfMyApp":
>
>Do "tell application " & quote & theNameOfMyApp & quote & " to activate" as
>applescript
>
>I don't think they will be a common solution to all platforms, but I could
>be wrong.   I have a revolution program that keeps my FileMaker server in
>the foreground 24/7,  well apart from certain hours where it quits it for
>backup and launches it again,  I do the same thing with Firstclass servers.
>
>-i-
>
>On 1/4/02 6:56 pm, "Victor Eijkhout" <eijkhout at cs.utk.edu> scribed:
>
>>  (With my apologies for that case of verbing in the subject :-)
>>
>>  I'm writing an alarm clock. When the alarm goes off it would be nice
>>  if the app became foremost, so that the user could hit the Any Key to
>>  snooze the alarm.
>>
>>  So how do I tell an app that's not foremost, or maybe even hidden to
>>  become foremost?
>  > --
>>  Victor Eijkhout <eijkhout at cs.utk.edu>
>>  tel: 865 974 9308 (W), 865 673 6998 (H), 865 974 8296 (F)
>>  http://www.cs.utk.edu/~eijkhout/
>>  _______________________________________________
>  > use-revolution mailing list
>>  use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>  http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>_______________________________________________
>use-revolution mailing list
>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution


-- 


From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Apr  2 00:57:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue Apr  2 00:57:01 2002
Subject: no message to startUp
Message-ID: <AB32A9C4-45FD-11D6-B120-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

I made a tiny standalone on Windows 2000, Revolution 1.1.1 B2.  It 
has only one card in the main stack.  I don't seem to be getting 
the startUp message to the card when the application starts.

What could I be doing wrong?

Dar Scott



From andre.rombauts at win.be  Tue Apr  2 03:48:01 2002
From: andre.rombauts at win.be (Andre Rombauts)
Date: Tue Apr  2 03:48:01 2002
Subject: Revolution for CGI Scripts
Message-ID: <953105361andre.rombauts@win.be>

>> How does one get started exploring Revolution for CGI Scripts?
>It's great you will love it... forget PERL.

>1) get a UNIX friend to download and un tar the engine (you might have to
>get the engine from the Metacard site) you need for the platform you will be
>one... Solaris or whatever..have them FTP that to you using binary

Thus will only run on Unix servers?... :-(

Andr? Rombauts



From GSaylor at ATP.com  Tue Apr  2 05:09:01 2002
From: GSaylor at ATP.com (Greg Saylor)
Date: Tue Apr  2 05:09:01 2002
Subject: XCMD ?  Plugins?  what?...
Message-ID: <751AC1038CDDD2118753080009FCD555024685BC@m1.atp.com>

Hello,

I hope my emails are finally not HTML formatted....   If they are it might
be because I am using a web client as I write this -- so I apologize ahead
of time....

Anyways, I have been looking for a good cross-platofrm database solution
that works with Revolution (mostly I am worried about the Mac and Windows
piece, with UNIX there are a lot more options it would seem)....

What I came across was this Valentina database, which looks really
compelling to me.. But, for the life of me I have no clue what to do with
what I have downloaded .. How to even install it....  Is it a plugin?.. What
is the difference between a plugin and a xcmd (or a vxcmd for that
matter?)...  it was it can use two api's.. The vxcmd api or the REVDB api...


I have a feeling that if I could just get this thing installed and get the
samples to work I might be able to figure it out, but no matter where I
stick this file called "Valentina Engine" it just doesn't seem to do
anything different.. When I go to the plugins editor of Revolution all I see
is "revexamples.rev" ...  I have tried to get this working on Windows, Mac
OS-X, and OS-9.. And iI just can't make any sense out of it.....

Am I missing something in the documentation because it seems like everyone
must know how to install this stuff because no matter how many sites I have
visited not one of them has any sort of installation instructions....  It's
really quite confusing to me.. ;-( 

I feel compelled to offer up some constructive criticism: I definately have
to say that the documentation in Revolution/MetaCard seems really lacking...
There should be some guidelines for 3rd party developers to write a simple
text file or something (anything!) with installation instructions at the
very least....  If Revolution is going to compete with Visual Basic (which
it seems fully capable of doing) then this documentation problem really
needs some solving....  I'd even be willing to do it, but unfortunately I
can't make anything work... It's like everytime I need to do something I
have to email this list server for an answer -- granted the responses I've
gotten are absolutely phenomenal but it does seem like there are some very
critical pieces of information which are missing.. It took me less time to
install Oracle for my first time then it did to figure out how to deal with
this plugin/xmcmd/cxmcsd/vxcmd/xcmd/whatever it is....  PERL modules seem
almost a breeze to compile and install compared to this... Am I just
thinking about all of this the wrong way or is there a problem here?....

- Greg
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From jeanne at runrev.com  Tue Apr  2 06:48:01 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Tue Apr  2 06:48:01 2002
Subject: XCMD ?  Plugins?  what?...
In-Reply-To: <751AC1038CDDD2118753080009FCD555024685BC@m1.atp.com>
Message-ID: <v03130326b8cf424ca66b@[216.99.194.246]>

At 2:03 AM -0800 4/2/2002, Greg Saylor wrote:
>I hope my emails are finally not HTML formatted...

I'm afraid they are.

>What I came across was this Valentina database, which looks really
>compelling to me.. But, for the life of me I have no clue what to
>do with what I have downloaded .. How to even install it....

Version 1.1.1 is the first version to include an interface to Valentina
using the Database library. This wasn't documented in 1.1.1b2, so you may
want to wait a few days until 1.1.1 is released. The Valentina engine is
pre-installed, so you shouldn't need to "download" or "install" anything.

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
http://www.runrev.com/
Runtime Revolution Limited - Power to the Developer!




From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Tue Apr  2 06:52:00 2002
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Tue Apr  2 06:52:00 2002
Subject: Displaying Irregularly Shaped Images/Transparency
In-Reply-To: <v0313030db8ccb155c99e@[216.99.194.246]>
Message-ID: <B8CF599A.2269A%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

on 31/3/02 1:33 PM, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto at jeanne at runrev.com wrote:

> If you're creating the image with Rev's paint tools, the Eraser tool erases
> to transparent - any pixel you touch with the Eraser will let whatever is
> behind it show through.

Is there any way to set the size of the eraser?  I've just started working
with images, and have half a dozen little (15x15 pixel) images.   Even in
'Magnify' mode, a single click with the eraser wipes out virtually the whole
thing.

TIA,
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866




From wow at together.net  Tue Apr  2 07:02:01 2002
From: wow at together.net (Richard D. Miller)
Date: Tue Apr  2 07:02:01 2002
Subject: Rev and Flamethrower
In-Reply-To: <B8CC72BA.16812%ambassador@FourthWorld.com>
Message-ID: <B8CF0770.2A406%wow@together.net>

I suppose I've worked with Rev enough now to say I prefer it over Supercard
(even though Supercard is a very good product). Now if there was just some
way to combine Rev with Flamethrower, that would produce an incredible web
CGI development environment.

I know Rev has CGI commands, but they seem far more complex (and weaker)
than the commands available through Flame. It's still not clear to me if Rev
can be configured to receive messages back from a clients browser, anywhere,
anytime...without having first initiated the call. Feedback on this would be
helpful. I'd be working on a Mac through WebStar.

Is there any way to use the XCMD's from Flame in Rev? Any plans from the Rev
people to expand Rev to become more like Flame?

Thanks.

-- 
Richard Miller
The Wood Exchange.info
http://www.thewoodexchange.info
802-238-5355
802-951-2534 fax



From jeanne at runrev.com  Tue Apr  2 07:23:01 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Tue Apr  2 07:23:01 2002
Subject: Displaying Irregularly Shaped Images/Transparency
In-Reply-To: <B8CF599A.2269A%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
References: <v0313030db8ccb155c99e@[216.99.194.246]>
Message-ID: <v03130329b8cf4d2b3468@[216.99.194.246]>

At 3:51 AM -0800 4/2/2002, Ben Rubinstein wrote:
>on 31/3/02 1:33 PM, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto at jeanne at runrev.com wrote:
>
>> If you're creating the image with Rev's paint tools, the Eraser tool erases
>> to transparent - any pixel you touch with the Eraser will let whatever is
>> behind it show through.
>
>Is there any way to set the size of the eraser?

Yes: in the paint tools palette, choose a shape from the Brush Shape popup
menu (bottom left of the palette). The eraser will erase that shape. One of
the available shapes is a single-pixel dot, so you can get fine control.

(In a handler, set the eraser property to do the same thing.)

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
http://www.runrev.com/
Runtime Revolution Limited - Power to the Developer!




From signe.sanne at roman.uib.no  Tue Apr  2 07:31:01 2002
From: signe.sanne at roman.uib.no (Signe Marie Sanne)
Date: Tue Apr  2 07:31:01 2002
Subject: Download (and upload) stacks
Message-ID: <p05100301b8cf4f5e51bc@[129.177.205.244]>

Hello to all

I have a stack (in MetaCard) which I had planned to make available at 
http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/contributors.htm. However, Kevin 
Miller answers me that this url will be taken down and moved to 
runrev.com. He would be willing to accept the stack, but it must 
first be converted to Revolution. Since I do not use Revolution, I 
wonder if one of you Revolution users would take the trouble to have 
a look at the stack and convert it. I'll send it to the first person 
who volunteers to do it.

The stack is meant as a tutorial on how to download stacks from a 
server both from http and ftp urls. It also includes scripts on how 
to compress, upload and decompress the stacks before downloading, as 
well as how to bypass a proxy server. These scripts have proven very 
useful for me and my students and I am sure other educators who want 
to deliver material over the web will find them useful too.

Regards
Signe Marie Sanne
-- 

1. amanuensis Signe Marie Sanne      e-mail: signe.sanne at roman.uib.no
Romansk Institutt                            tel:  +47 55 58 21 27
Oysteins gt. 1
5007 Bergen         	 http://www.hf.uib.no/hfolk/mlab/default.html
Norway



From mike at essex-web.com  Tue Apr  2 08:26:01 2002
From: mike at essex-web.com (Michael Foy)
Date: Tue Apr  2 08:26:01 2002
Subject: A really stupid newbie question
References: <4862DD52-42ED-11D6-8E10-000393598038@mac.com>
Message-ID: <005101c1da49$92f9d980$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>

let me get this straight, when I am in the editor of Revoultion and I create
a button and put the script

'go to next card'

into this button and then select the browse tool, there is some logical
reason that it doesn't go onto the next card, when I press the button,
something like 'your're still in the editor stupid' I know that hypercard
would do it and take me to the next card that's all, I can put the same
instruction into the message bar and I move, I just wondered why it doesn't
when put into the button?

one last really quick question today, how do I debug? ie step through a
script line by line statement by statement, looking at the contents of
variables?

thanks


miock




From webmaster at studioalice.se  Tue Apr  2 08:39:01 2002
From: webmaster at studioalice.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Magnus_von_Br=F6msen?=)
Date: Tue Apr  2 08:39:01 2002
Subject: A really stupid newbie question
In-Reply-To: <005101c1da49$92f9d980$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>
Message-ID: <BA130376-463E-11D6-A568-003065CCBD1A@studioalice.se>

On tisdag, april 2, 2002, at 03:23 , Michael Foy wrote:
>
> 'go to next card'
>
Maybe this is a stupid answer  S=), but start with "on mouseUp"
on mouseUp
    go to next card
end mouseUp
>
> one last really quick question today, how do I debug? ie step through a
> script line by line statement by statement, looking at the contents of
> variables?
>
Sorry, don't know.

Magnus



From mike at essex-web.com  Tue Apr  2 08:54:00 2002
From: mike at essex-web.com (Michael Foy)
Date: Tue Apr  2 08:54:00 2002
Subject: A really stupid newbie question
References: <BA130376-463E-11D6-A568-003065CCBD1A@studioalice.se>
Message-ID: <010401c1da4d$84c933c0$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>

Doh, well I told you it waas a stupid question thanks, yes of course on
mouseup, I hang my head in shame, it's far too long since I used
hypercard/supercard etc and I'm stuffed with easter eggs, that's my only
excuse

miock

----- Original Message -----
From: Magnus von Br?msen <webmaster at studioalice.se>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: A really stupid newbie question


>
> On tisdag, april 2, 2002, at 03:23 , Michael Foy wrote:
> >
> > 'go to next card'
> >
> Maybe this is a stupid answer  S=), but start with "on mouseUp"
> on mouseUp
>     go to next card
> end mouseUp
> >
> > one last really quick question today, how do I debug? ie step through a
> > script line by line statement by statement, looking at the contents of
> > variables?
> >
> Sorry, don't know.
>
> Magnus
>
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From steve at messimercomputing.com  Tue Apr  2 09:33:01 2002
From: steve at messimercomputing.com (Steve Messimer)
Date: Tue Apr  2 09:33:01 2002
Subject: use-revolution digest, Vol 1 #305 - 12 msgs
In-Reply-To: <200204020600.BAA15774@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <646DF8EC-4646-11D6-84F5-000A27D75508@messimercomputing.com>

Thanks Ian,

I ended up  working this out myself.  You were right it is just "paste". 
I'm still thinking HC syntax.  In any case it works just fine and my 
plug-in moves right along.  :-)

Steve

On Tuesday, April 2, 2002, at 01:00 AM, use-revolution-
request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> I think it should be just "paste",  I wasn't aware of paste having any
> parameters.  "It" will contain the ID of the newly created object.



From Malte.brill at web.de  Tue Apr  2 09:35:01 2002
From: Malte.brill at web.de (Malte Brill)
Date: Tue Apr  2 09:35:01 2002
Subject: Displaying Irregularly Shaped Images/Transparency
Message-ID: <B8CD08EB.19E%Malte.brill@web.de>

I?ve had the same problem. Sorrowly only the import of a gif 89a seems to
work (you?re limited to 256 colores then) I?m serching for a way to import
images with embedded alpha channel (like psd from Photoshop) perhaps anyone
has an idea? Hope the gif thing helps you a little.
bye Malte



From mark at bcesouth.com  Tue Apr  2 09:42:01 2002
From: mark at bcesouth.com (Mark Paris)
Date: Tue Apr  2 09:42:01 2002
Subject: XCMD ?  Plugins?  what?...
References: <751AC1038CDDD2118753080009FCD555024685BC@m1.atp.com>
Message-ID: <003001c1da54$8458ba80$d86600d8@s1>

XCMD ? Plugins? what?...Greg,

Well, as a revolution user with no prior metacard/hypercard experience, and some VB experience, I can agree with you on a lot of your points.  My main area of development is for the web, so I'm familiar with perl, php, asp, frontier etc.  I'm not sure if an xcmd is akin to an xwing fighter, but I'm guessing it's not.

I think you can find info on writing to/reading from text files in the docs, though not as easily as perhaps it should be, as you state.  As for databases, I'll totally agree, it is cryptic at best.  The valentina engine looks good to me too, but I haven't even attempted it yet.  And I THOUGHT I read that it was included in the latest build of revolution?  Did I imagine that?  Lol.

I'm certainly not bashing revolution or its docs.  It is an AWESOME program.  And I think there are many ways to do certain tasks (such as reading file contents into a variable).  The docs are in their infancy really, and I expect that the dialogues in this list are going to shape them a great deal in the future.  I think it's attracted a lot of seasoned programmers, so the topics are often over my head, but I still read them and pretend I might comprehend them.  Maybe there does need to be some "newbie" documentation, separate from the main docs.  Maybe some of us on the list could put something together like that.  Food for thought.

And speaking of docs, did you see Sivakatirswami's post on CGI's (thanks for that!)  ----   ok, there is no "released" documentation, so how did that information come to be?!  Egads!  Is there an "unreleased" source somewhere?!  Lol.  

Anyway, I'm thoroughly enjoying learning from this list and all of it's contributors.

Mark




----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Greg Saylor 
  To: 'use-revolution at lists.runrev.com ' 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2002 5:03 AM
  Subject: XCMD ? Plugins? what?...


  Hello, 

  I hope my emails are finally not HTML formatted....   If they are it might be because I am using a web client as I write this -- so I apologize ahead of time....

  Anyways, I have been looking for a good cross-platofrm database solution that works with Revolution (mostly I am worried about the Mac and Windows piece, with UNIX there are a lot more options it would seem)....

  What I came across was this Valentina database, which looks really compelling to me.. But, for the life of me I have no clue what to do with what I have downloaded .. How to even install it....  Is it a plugin?.. What is the difference between a plugin and a xcmd (or a vxcmd for that matter?)...  it was it can use two api's.. The vxcmd api or the REVDB api...   

  I have a feeling that if I could just get this thing installed and get the samples to work I might be able to figure it out, but no matter where I stick this file called "Valentina Engine" it just doesn't seem to do anything different.. When I go to the plugins editor of Revolution all I see is "revexamples.rev" ...  I have tried to get this working on Windows, Mac OS-X, and OS-9.. And iI just can't make any sense out of it.....

  Am I missing something in the documentation because it seems like everyone must know how to install this stuff because no matter how many sites I have visited not one of them has any sort of installation instructions....  It's really quite confusing to me.. ;-( 

  I feel compelled to offer up some constructive criticism: I definately have to say that the documentation in Revolution/MetaCard seems really lacking...   There should be some guidelines for 3rd party developers to write a simple text file or something (anything!) with installation instructions at the very least....  If Revolution is going to compete with Visual Basic (which it seems fully capable of doing) then this documentation problem really needs some solving....  I'd even be willing to do it, but unfortunately I can't make anything work... It's like everytime I need to do something I have to email this list server for an answer -- granted the responses I've gotten are absolutely phenomenal but it does seem like there are some very critical pieces of information which are missing.. It took me less time to install Oracle for my first time then it did to figure out how to deal with this plugin/xmcmd/cxmcsd/vxcmd/xcmd/whatever it is....  PERL modules seem almost a breeze to compile and install compared to this... Am I just thinking about all of this the wrong way or is there a problem here?....

  - Greg 

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From kmajor at metascape.org  Tue Apr  2 09:52:01 2002
From: kmajor at metascape.org (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue Apr  2 09:52:01 2002
Subject: Displaying Irregularly Shaped Images/Transparency
In-Reply-To: <B8CD08EB.19E%Malte.brill@web.de>
Message-ID: <D8F30CB7-4648-11D6-9466-003065D52E8E@metascape.org>

Hi Malte and all,

> I?ve had the same problem. Sorrowly only the import of a gif 89a seems 
> to
> work (you?re limited to 256 colores then) I?m serching for a way to 
> import
> images with embedded alpha channel (like psd from Photoshop) perhaps 
> anyone
> has an idea? Hope the gif thing helps you a little.
> bye Malte

runtime supports the PNG format.

So just save your PSD-file as PNG and you can use it in runtime.

INCLUDING the alpha-channel, of course :-)

Hope this helps


Regards

Klaus Major
kmajor at metascape.org



From niklas_almesjo at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  2 11:00:01 2002
From: niklas_almesjo at yahoo.com (Niklas Almesjö)
Date: Tue Apr  2 11:00:01 2002
Subject: preopenbackground error, license exceeded
In-Reply-To: <200204021443.JAA24390@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20020402155910.38970.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com>

I get the following error when I go to a stack that used to work fine (now
using the latest beta)..
It's the preopenbackground in Rev that is opened when I click script (in
the error-message). 
A known bug?


 ? There was an Execution Error at 5:23:08 PM
Error description:  insert: license limit exceeded
Object: group id 1034 of card id 1002 of stack "newplayer" of stack
"C:/WINDOWS/Skrivbord/Niklas/qt/daQtApp/app21rev.rev"
--------------------
insert script of btn i of me into back
--------------------
Value: preOpenBackGround

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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Tue Apr  2 11:35:01 2002
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Tue Apr  2 11:35:01 2002
Subject: Evaluating Valentina in Rev
In-Reply-To: <v0313030fb8ccb3834ca7@[216.99.194.246]>
Message-ID: <B8CF9BBC.226D9%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

Jeanne, thanks for reposting this info (I did eventually find it, in a
footnote to a post from Tuvia about something else).  You've helpfully drawn
attention to one of the things that messed me up when I tried using it,
namely that the path to the database is in platform-native format (if you
put the path in Rev/Unix style - or just get it wrong - you don't get an
error message, but just an empty result).

It's perhaps worth passing on one of the other things that held me up when
initially experimenting through the Database Manager; this offers a default
query of "select * from super;".  Trying to edit this to get access to a
simple db I'd created using the Valentina app downloaded from the web site,
I was multiply frustrated by 'no such table'.  Eventually I found that the
semicolon needs to be removed altogether.  (With FileMaker Pro, the
semicolon is acceptable - although optional - but must be prefixed by a
space.  It might be best for Tuvia to remove it altogether from the default
string in future.)

I also noted that the current (MacOS Classic) distribution includes two
apparently identical 1.3MB files "Valentina Engine" (one at the top level,
one in components/engines).  However, after some stage in usage, the one at
top-level has disappeared.  However more, it seemed to me at least that if
you take a fresh unpack of the distribution, and trash the top level one,
you will then crash horribly on any attempt to access Valentina through
revdb.  Can someone explain what's happening, or am I suffering
hallucinations?

Also, what's the situation with regard to a standalone using the Valentina
bits.  If I make my stack use Valentina through RevDB, and build a
standalone for Mac and Windows, checking the "Database" resource option in
the Distribution Builder, will this just work?  Or do I need to package some
extra bits, and if so what and where?

All additional info gratefully received.
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866




From drvaughan55 at mac.com  Tue Apr  2 16:14:01 2002
From: drvaughan55 at mac.com (David Vaughan)
Date: Tue Apr  2 16:14:01 2002
Subject: Download (and upload) stacks
In-Reply-To: <p05100301b8cf4f5e51bc@[129.177.205.244]>
Message-ID: <623E2D70-467E-11D6-A7D9-000393598038@mac.com>

Hello Signe

I volunteer. You can send the stack and any other information to the 
e-mail address below. I will send a mail off-list with further 
information.

regards
David Vaughan

drvaughan55 at mac.com
tel +61 410 579 031

On Tuesday, April 2, 2002, at 10:27 , Signe Marie Sanne wrote:

> Hello to all
>
> I have a stack (in MetaCard) which I had planned to make available at 
> http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/contributors.htm. However, Kevin Miller 
> answers me that this url will be taken down and moved to runrev.com. He 
> would be willing to accept the stack, but it must first be converted to 
> Revolution. Since I do not use Revolution, I wonder if one of you 
> Revolution users would take the trouble to have a look at the stack and 
> convert it. I'll send it to the first person who volunteers to do it.
>
> The stack is meant as a tutorial on how to download stacks from a 
> server both from http and ftp urls. It also includes scripts on how to 
> compress, upload and decompress the stacks before downloading, as well 
> as how to bypass a proxy server. These scripts have proven very useful 
> for me and my students and I am sure other educators who want to 
> deliver material over the web will find them useful too.
>
> Regards
> Signe Marie Sanne
> --
> 1. amanuensis Signe Marie Sanne      e-mail: signe.sanne at roman.uib.no
> Romansk Institutt                            tel:  +47 55 58 21 27
> Oysteins gt. 1
> 5007 Bergen         	 http://www.hf.uib.no/hfolk/mlab/default.html
> Norway
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From sbeadle at umich.edu  Tue Apr  2 16:56:00 2002
From: sbeadle at umich.edu (SB)
Date: Tue Apr  2 16:56:00 2002
Subject: templates request
Message-ID: <a04320400b8cf918c6282@[207.75.180.23]>

Hi,
To help introduce people to the power and ease and usefulness of Rev, 
it would be great if the wizard folks out there could construct and 
post some really basic stack templates that will work cross-platform.

And I mean REALLY basic-- even the employee database is quite 
sophisticated and can be hard to modify for a beginner with little 
coding experience, despite  Richard's great commenting.  It would be 
wonderful to be able to start out, customize a stack, and have it 
WORK (and even SAVE!) on your first venture in from Hypercard, or 
from no programming experience at all.

to start, how about templates for:
* A stack that saves notes or other data to a text file.
* A stack that saves notes or other data to a stack. (one using a 
spash screen, one not)
* A stack that has a basic set of buttons in a cross-platform menu 
such as: save, new, deletecard, previous, and next.

(I suspect the Rev staff gets a lot of questions about these topics, 
judging from the number of help and tips items written about 
them--maybe the templates could help.)

Could the stacks then be posted on the Rev site?  Perhaps eventually 
have sets of templates included with REV, like those included in 
Appleworks or FileMaker.  Maybe even some targeted to specific 
audiences-- education, medical, business, home tasks, etc.

Sandy
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From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Tue Apr  2 17:22:01 2002
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue Apr  2 17:22:01 2002
Subject: Download (and upload) stacks
In-Reply-To: <S.0000547874@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <D2EAE35B-4687-11D6-802E-00306566C7B4@genesearch.com.au>

Your stack probably doesn't need any conversion. Download the starter 
kit for Revolution and just use it to open your stack and see if it 
works. Revolution uses the MetaCard engine so there should be no problem.

Sarah

> I have a stack (in MetaCard) which I had planned to make available at 
> http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/contributors.htm. However, Kevin Miller 
> answers me that this url will be taken down and moved to runrev.com. He 
> would be willing to accept the stack, but it must first be converted to 
> Revolution. Since I do not use Revolution, I wonder if one of you 
> Revolution users would take the trouble to have a look at the stack and 
> convert it. I'll send it to the first person who volunteers to do it.
>
> The stack is meant as a tutorial on how to download stacks from a 
> server both from http and ftp urls. It also includes scripts on how to 
> compress, upload and decompress the stacks before downloading, as well 
> as how to bypass a proxy server. These scripts have proven very useful 
> for me and my students and I am sure other educators who want to 
> deliver material over the web will find them useful too.



From Doug_Ivers at lord.com  Tue Apr  2 17:28:01 2002
From: Doug_Ivers at lord.com (Ivers, Doug E)
Date: Tue Apr  2 17:28:01 2002
Subject: templates request
Message-ID: <6150F6099DBED111852E0008C7241464049B376B@NTSRV-CRD04>

I second the request!  I've been wishing for easier stack examples too.  I
think a key feature of such examples is that each one demonstrates excellent
code/design regarding one topic.  Example topics are menus, i/o, web stuff,
lists, linking to a database, graphics & images, etc.  These stacks should
be more "sanctioned" than just open user submissions.  They should be
written by the pros.



On 4/2/02 12:03 PM, "SB" <sbeadle at umich.edu> wrote:

> Hi,
> To help introduce people to the power and ease and usefulness of Rev, it
> would be great if the wizard folks out there could construct and post
> some really basic stack templates that will work cross-platform.
> 
> 
> And I mean REALLY basic-- even the employee database is quite
> sophisticated and can be hard to modify for a beginner with little
> coding experience, despite  Richard's great commenting.  It would be
> wonderful to be able to start out, customize a stack, and have it WORK
> (and even SAVE!) on your first venture in from Hypercard, or from no
> programming experience at all.
> 
> to start, how about templates for:
> * A stack that saves notes or other data to a text file.
> * A stack that saves notes or other data to a stack. (one using a spash
> screen, one not)
> * A stack that has a basic set of buttons in a cross-platform menu such
> as: save, new, deletecard, previous, and next.
> 
> (I suspect the Rev staff gets a lot of questions about these topics,
> judging from the number of help and tips items written about them--maybe
> the templates could help.)
> 
> Could the stacks then be posted on the Rev site?  Perhaps eventually
> have sets of templates included with REV, like those included in
> Appleworks or FileMaker.  Maybe even some targeted to specific
> audiences-- education, medical, business, home tasks, etc.
> 
> Sandy
> 


From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Tue Apr  2 17:30:01 2002
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue Apr  2 17:30:01 2002
Subject: A really stupid newbie question
In-Reply-To: <S.0000547882@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <EF7A81B4-4688-11D6-802E-00306566C7B4@genesearch.com.au>

This is an area where Revolution needs some more work to make it as good 
as HyperCard but there is a way. In the Development menu, choose Script 
Debug mode. Using the popups, find the script you want to step through. 
Click on a line in that script and it will turn red. This is effectively 
setting a breakpoint. Now you can either click Send Message to start 
that handler or you can leave the debug window open and do whatever you 
do in your stack to get to that script. If you close the debug window, 
the breakpoint will NOT break.

Once your script gets to the red line, it will stop and wait for you. 
Bring the debug window to the front and use the Step buttons to proceed. 
The variables are all listed in the bottom section of the debug window 
and can be edited. You can also set another breakpoint and use Run to go 
to that line without stepping.

One thing the window is missing is an Abort button. Command-period 
doesn't seem to do anything while waiting for a step so the only way out 
is to click Run or Run to end and then press Command-period.

While you're in that window, check out the Timing stuff which is very 
neat and good for showing which bits of your script are slowing you down.

Cheers,
Sarah


On Tuesday, April 2, 2002, at 11:23  pm, Michael Foy wrote:

> one last really quick question today, how do I debug? ie step through a
> script line by line statement by statement, looking at the contents of
> variables?



From katir at hindu.org  Tue Apr  2 20:54:01 2002
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Tue Apr  2 20:54:01 2002
Subject: Revolution for CGI Scripts
In-Reply-To: <200204020558.AAA15635@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <B8CF8466.9BBA%katir@hindu.org>

on 4/1/02 7:58 PM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com at
use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> On Monday, April 1, 2002, at 01:30 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:
> 
>> It's great you will love it... forget PERL.
> 
> Cool!  I am confused about a couple things, though.
> 
> 1.
> Why is there no quit in your examples?

These scripts are running on a remote server... there is no GUI as you
understand it. just a) the engine b) the scripts... no interface as such.
> 2.
> I thought put <expr> went to the message box.  Why this instead of
> writing to stdout?

my stack is not really an interface for the CGI as you would understand
it... the stack has a field  which holds the script... it has a button that
opens a socket and FTP's the script to the site and set's CHMOD to 755. Then
another button simply does "Get URL "http://www.oursite.org/cgi-bin/rev.cgi"

Now, this "triggers" the CGI to  run... if it is expecting to receive data
you would have to use POST and send some data. "Put" is equivalent to
writing to stdout." and thus, if you called the same URL from a browser,
assuming you send the correct http header to stnout first, the browser would
display any returned data... in the case of doing it inside a rev stack..
the "trigger" script looks like this:

on mouseup
  set the cursor to 4
  put  "http://"& fld "host" &"/cgi-bin/" & fld "cgi filename"  into tCGI
  get url tCGI
  put it into fld "returned_data"
end mouseUp



> 3.
> Does the stack need to be invisible?  Other?
 It will be in the sense that there is no GUI as such... it's just lines of
code in a file on the site, Apache's CGI infrastructure points the GET to
the script, the script calls the MC/REV engine to interpret the script.

> If I'm really confused about Revolution and CGI, I hope these
> questions give some indication about where I am confused.
And to answer the other questions posed:

Should be able to run this on any web server that has an OS that will run
Metacard. Note, for webstar on a Mac it's more complicated... you have to
use apple Events, but you can run it pretty much as I described on a Mac OSX
server...

Since you can use the engine for free... there is not a lot of urgency to
put together the documentation for this.

Recommend you search the archives of the metacard list for "CGI" and ".mt"
and carefully review everything...
> Dar Scott


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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Apr  2 23:04:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue Apr  2 23:04:01 2002
Subject: no message to startUp
In-Reply-To: <AB32A9C4-45FD-11D6-B120-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <101E01F6-46B7-11D6-94C2-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Monday, April 1, 2002, at 10:51 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

> I made a tiny standalone on Windows 2000, Revolution 1.1.1 B2.  It 
> has only one card in the main stack.  I don't seem to be getting 
> the startUp message to the card when the application starts.
>
> What could I be doing wrong?

I fixed this by putting the startup handler in the stack scripts 
instead of the card scripts.

Dar Scott



From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Apr  2 23:13:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue Apr  2 23:13:01 2002
Subject: Running a standalone as a W2K service
In-Reply-To: <46D9B6E4-4297-11D6-B887-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <47345DC8-46B8-11D6-94C2-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Thursday, March 28, 2002, at 03:00 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

> Has anybody tried running a Revolution standalone as a Windows service?

I got it to work!

Dar



From troy at rpsystems.net  Tue Apr  2 23:18:01 2002
From: troy at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Tue Apr  2 23:18:01 2002
Subject: Running a standalone as a W2K service
In-Reply-To: <47345DC8-46B8-11D6-94C2-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <9A8A81B8-46B9-11D6-8209-000393853D6C@rpsystems.net>

On Tuesday, April 2, 2002, at 11:07 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

>
>> Has anybody tried running a Revolution standalone as a Windows service?
>
> I got it to work!

OK. Any special magic to it, Dar? I'm not trying to do it just now, but 
I can see where it could be a useful function... in fact... hmm.

So, how'd you go about it?

TIA

--
Troy
RPSystems
www.rpsystems.net



From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Apr  2 23:56:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue Apr  2 23:56:01 2002
Subject: Running a standalone as a W2K service
In-Reply-To: <9A8A81B8-46B9-11D6-8209-000393853D6C@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <4CD89615-46BE-11D6-94C2-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Tuesday, April 2, 2002, at 09:16 PM, Troy Rollins wrote:

> So, how'd you go about it?

I used srvany.exe to run the standalone as a service.  It and 
documentation is in the W2K resource kit.  (If you can find 
servany, but not the help, let me know and I give a few tips.)  I 
couldn't get srvany.exe to work right by putting the standalone 
path into the "Start Parameters" field in services; I had to change 
the registry.  (I didn't use Revolution to change the registry, I 
wasn't sure whether it could add keys.)

I put my startup code in a handler named startup in the stack.  
This starts the send cycles and will eventually start the comm 
cycles.

I was able to run the service with or without a GUI and with or 
without network communication (UDP broadcast for testing).  (The 
common wisdom is that Microsoft won't let you do both, so I don't 
know what I did for that.)  There is a check box in services which 
controls this:  "Allow services to interact with desktop."  While 
you are logged out, the GUI is invisible.

I haven't tested whether openCard or openStack are called when the 
GUI is turned off.

If you know you will not need the GUI you might see if the service 
loads faster if you make the stack invisible.  I haven't tested 
this.  (I imagine the standalone going through the motions of 
painting, but the painting having no effect.)

I haven't set up the dependencies yet.  I don't think I have to 
since TCP/IP loads as a driver before the services.

I bet one could run the simple chat demo as a service this way.

That's all I know and perhaps a little more.

Dar Scott





From dk42 at mac.com  Wed Apr  3 02:26:01 2002
From: dk42 at mac.com (David Kwinter)
Date: Wed Apr  3 02:26:01 2002
Subject: Speed of 'sliding a field'
Message-ID: <D71F962C-46D3-11D6-8870-003065C7D368@mac.com>

I've been frustrated by slowness lately whenever I've tried to make a 
Rev script do anything dynamic. Am I doing something wrong? I doubt my 
G4 lacks enough power to do some of the things I want to do. Here, for 
example is a chunk of script which slides a field into position. If you 
try it out let me know if you don't mind the choppyness. Is there a 
solution?

on mouseup
   put 135 into startX
   put 82 into startY
   put 20 into startH
   put 134 into startW

   put 403 into endX
   put 227 into endY
   put 310 into endH
   put 246 into endW

   put endX-startX into netX
   put endY-startY into netY
   put endH-startH into netH
   put endW-startW into netW

   put 0 into x
   repeat 25 times
     add 4 to x

     put ((x/100)*netX)+startX into nowX
     put ((x/100)*netY)+startY into nowY
     put ((x/100)*netH)+startH into nowH
     put ((x/100)*netW)+startW into nowW

     set the width of field "list1" to the round of nowW
     set the height of field "list1" to the round of nowH
     put the round of nowX into nowX
     put the round of nowY into nowY

     set the loc of field "list1" to nowX,nowY

  end repeat
end mouseup


Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated, thanks.

David Kwinter



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Apr  3 02:37:01 2002
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed Apr  3 02:37:01 2002
Subject: Speed of 'sliding a field'
References: <D71F962C-46D3-11D6-8870-003065C7D368@mac.com>
Message-ID: <000501c1dae1$ca2629c0$ef0e48a6@mckinley.dom>

David,

I tried your code out on a 1GHz PIII Dell laptop, and it's almost
instantaneous... no choppiness here.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Kwinter" <dk42 at mac.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 1:24 AM
Subject: Speed of 'sliding a field'


> I've been frustrated by slowness lately whenever I've tried to make a
> Rev script do anything dynamic. Am I doing something wrong? I doubt my
> G4 lacks enough power to do some of the things I want to do. Here, for
> example is a chunk of script which slides a field into position. If you
> try it out let me know if you don't mind the choppyness. Is there a
> solution?
>
> on mouseup
>    put 135 into startX
>    put 82 into startY
>    put 20 into startH
>    put 134 into startW
>
>    put 403 into endX
>    put 227 into endY
>    put 310 into endH
>    put 246 into endW
>
>    put endX-startX into netX
>    put endY-startY into netY
>    put endH-startH into netH
>    put endW-startW into netW
>
>    put 0 into x
>    repeat 25 times
>      add 4 to x
>
>      put ((x/100)*netX)+startX into nowX
>      put ((x/100)*netY)+startY into nowY
>      put ((x/100)*netH)+startH into nowH
>      put ((x/100)*netW)+startW into nowW
>
>      set the width of field "list1" to the round of nowW
>      set the height of field "list1" to the round of nowH
>      put the round of nowX into nowX
>      put the round of nowY into nowY
>
>      set the loc of field "list1" to nowX,nowY
>
>   end repeat
> end mouseup
>
>
> Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated, thanks.
>
> David Kwinter
>
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>



From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Wed Apr  3 02:58:01 2002
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed Apr  3 02:58:01 2002
Subject: Speed of 'sliding a field'
In-Reply-To: <D71F962C-46D3-11D6-8870-003065C7D368@mac.com>
References: <D71F962C-46D3-11D6-8870-003065C7D368@mac.com>
Message-ID: <a05100303b8d065aa8813@[206.117.139.34]>

At 2:24 AM -0500 4/3/02, David Kwinter wrote:
>I've been frustrated by slowness lately whenever I've tried to make a Rev script do anything dynamic. Am I doing something wrong? I doubt my G4 lacks enough power to do some of the things I want to do. Here, for example is a chunk of script which slides a field into position. If you try it out let me know if you don't mind the choppyness. Is there a solution?

The script slides the field into position in about 1/2 a second for me, on a PowerBook G3. How long for you?

regards,

Geoff
-- 

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com


From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Apr  3 03:20:01 2002
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed Apr  3 03:20:01 2002
Subject: Speed of 'sliding a field'
In-Reply-To: <D71F962C-46D3-11D6-8870-003065C7D368@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BBEIJJIICJJBOLMBODHCCEJACIAA.chipp@chipp.com>

David,

I've been having 'choppy' transitions lateley as well (on a PC600). So I've
started using


set the dontuseQTeffects to true


and it seemed to help quite a bit.

-Chipp

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of David Kwinter
> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 1:25 AM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Speed of 'sliding a field'
>
>
> I've been frustrated by slowness lately whenever I've tried to make a
> Rev script do anything dynamic. Am I doing something wrong? I doubt my
> G4 lacks enough power to do some of the things I want to do. Here, for
> example is a chunk of script which slides a field into position. If you
> try it out let me know if you don't mind the choppyness. Is there a
> solution?



From John at onechip.com  Wed Apr  3 03:43:01 2002
From: John at onechip.com (John)
Date: Wed Apr  3 03:43:01 2002
Subject: no message to startUp
In-Reply-To: <101E01F6-46B7-11D6-94C2-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <A4C694C0-46B8-11D6-8C74-003065847600@onechip.com>

This is a bug then?  Should this be posted to the improve list so that 
it makes the to be fixed list? I don't know if bugs are picked up from 
this list or not...

John Miskimins

On Tuesday, April 2, 2002, at 07:58 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

>
> On Monday, April 1, 2002, at 10:51 PM, Dar Scott wrote:
>
>> I made a tiny standalone on Windows 2000, Revolution 1.1.1 B2.  It has 
>> only one card in the main stack.  I don't seem to be getting the 
>> startUp message to the card when the application starts.
>>
>> What could I be doing wrong?
>
> I fixed this by putting the startup handler in the stack scripts 
> instead of the card scripts.
>
> Dar Scott
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From niklas_almesjo at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  3 05:16:01 2002
From: niklas_almesjo at yahoo.com (Niklas Almesjö)
Date: Wed Apr  3 05:16:01 2002
Subject: preopenbackground error, license exceeded
In-Reply-To: <200204021703.MAA28344@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20020403101500.53547.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com>

Forgot to mention that the error seems to be in the revLibraries. It's a
repeat loop in the preopenbackground handler (in the revLibraries) that
throws the error about exceeding the license-limit..?


> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2002 07:59:10 -0800 (PST)
> From: Niklas "Almesj?" <niklas_almesjo at yahoo.com>
> Subject: preopenbackground error, license exceeded
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Reply-To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> 
> I get the following error when I go to a stack that used to work fine
> (now
> using the latest beta)..
> It's the preopenbackground in Rev that is opened when I click script (in
> the error-message). 
> A known bug?
> 
> 
>  ? There was an Execution Error at 5:23:08 PM
> Error description:  insert: license limit exceeded
> Object: group id 1034 of card id 1002 of stack "newplayer" of stack
> "C:/WINDOWS/Skrivbord/Niklas/qt/daQtApp/app21rev.rev"
> --------------------
> insert script of btn i of me into back
> --------------------
> Value: preOpenBackGround

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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Wed Apr  3 05:54:01 2002
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Wed Apr  3 05:54:01 2002
Subject: Displaying Irregularly Shaped Images/Transparency
In-Reply-To: <v03130329b8cf4d2b3468@[216.99.194.246]>
Message-ID: <B8D09C6C.22731%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

Jeanne wrote:
 
>> Is there any way to set the size of the eraser?
> 
> Yes: in the paint tools palette, choose a shape from the Brush Shape popup
> menu (bottom left of the palette). The eraser will erase that shape. One of
> the available shapes is a single-pixel dot, so you can get fine control.

Thanks for this.  A couple of observations: two of the available shapes
appear in the palette to be a single-pixel dot; the second one turns out to
be a five-pixel cross.   Secondly, the hotspot on many of these shapes -
certainly on the single-pixel dot, and at least in magnify mode - seems to
be pretty off-centre, making it quite tricky to use.  On the single pixel,
in fact the hotspot appears to be above and to the right of the magnified
pixel.

  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866



From mike at essex-web.com  Wed Apr  3 07:59:01 2002
From: mike at essex-web.com (Michael Foy)
Date: Wed Apr  3 07:59:01 2002
Subject: Today's really stupid newbie question
References: <EF7A81B4-4688-11D6-802E-00306566C7B4@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <003b01c1db0f$180ecca0$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>

Thanks Sarah for yesterday's answer, your prize is on it's way :-)

Today's question is

how do I create a new card with a different background (oops sorry grouped
objects) do I create a new card and then delete the grouped objects on it?
can't we have a 'new card' menu with a choice of backgrounds?

miock





From jeanne at runrev.com  Wed Apr  3 08:10:01 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Wed Apr  3 08:10:01 2002
Subject: Today's really stupid newbie question
In-Reply-To: <003b01c1db0f$180ecca0$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>
References: <EF7A81B4-4688-11D6-802E-00306566C7B4@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <v03130306b8d0aeade3fd@[216.99.192.214]>

At 4:57 AM -0800 4/3/2002, Michael Foy wrote:
>how do I create a new card with a different background (oops sorry grouped
>objects) do I create a new card and then delete the grouped objects on it?

When you create a card, any groups on the card you're on, whose
backgroundBehavior is set to true, will be placed on the card. This is
automatic and can't, as far as I know, be prevented. You can:

- set the backgroundBehavior of all the groups to false, then create the card.
- create the card and remove the groups
- go to another card first that has the groups you want on it and doesn't
have the ones you don't want, and create your card while on that card.

And of course you can script any of this. It depends on what you want to do
and whether you want the groups you have already to act like backgrounds or
not.


>can't we have a 'new card' menu with a choice of backgrounds?

Well, the thing is that you may want a new card that has several groups on
it, in which case you'd be out of luck.

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
http://www.runrev.com/
Runtime Revolution Limited - Power to the Developer!




From themacguy at mac.com  Wed Apr  3 09:49:01 2002
From: themacguy at mac.com (Barry Levine)
Date: Wed Apr  3 09:49:01 2002
Subject: How do I break out of runtime?
Message-ID: <87C0D37B-4711-11D6-BC37-003065BC131C@mac.com>

When I double-click on a ".rev" stack, Revolution launches into the 
"runtime"(?) mode and I can't figure out how to break out back into the 
development mode without quitting Rev and then launching Rev directly 
(and then opening the stack). What piece of documentation have I failed 
to read?

Also: I've occasionally (well, more than that) had some bad code in a 
handler that, essentially, freezes Rev into an endless loop. What 
keystrokes can I press to break back into the development side. This is 
probably related to the previous question.

I should mention that I have not created "distribution" versions of 
these stacks yet; they still remain "open".

Thanks,
Barry
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From harrison at all-auctions.com  Wed Apr  3 10:16:01 2002
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Richard Harrison)
Date: Wed Apr  3 10:16:01 2002
Subject: Speed of 'sliding a field'
In-Reply-To: <D71F962C-46D3-11D6-8870-003065C7D368@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B8D08692.64E%harrison@all-auctions.com>

David,

Have you tried just using the move command?

In HyperCard one had to move everything pixel by pixel
with a loop just like you are doing.  In Revolution
the move command does the loop automatically for you.
You can also set the speed of the move!

Let me know if this was helpful to you.

Good Luck!

Rick Harrison





From rcozens at pon.net  Wed Apr  3 11:02:16 2002
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Wed Apr  3 11:02:16 2002
Subject: MOD function does not work!  So be warned!
In-Reply-To: <B8CCC0B0.515D4%michael@GreppyDreppies.com>
References: <B8CCC0B0.515D4%michael@GreppyDreppies.com>
Message-ID: <a05100303b8d0d3a7b79d@[216.229.107.194]>

>The situation is that when you convert .1 to binary and add it to 255 it is
>actually adding a binary number whose value is a little less than the value
>of decimal .10. .1 has no exact binary representation

Hi Michael (Mays),

One of us is off base here, and since you didn't pick up on my 
question to Dar, I don't know who.

>I think there's more to it than that:
>
>In
>
><<
>on testMod
>   put 249 into var1
>   put var1 into var2
>   add 1.0 to var1
>   repeat 10
>     add 0.1 to var2
>   end repeat
>   put (var1=var2)&&((var1 mod 5)=(var2 mod 5))
>end testMod
><<
>
>The first test always resolves to true...only the second test yields 
>a false result.

I say the issue may be related to inexact decimal representation; but 
the mod function is where the error is manifested.  If it were simply 
a matter of x being 255 plus/minus .0001 instead of 255, x mod 5 
should not return 5.  There is no value v for which v mod 5 is ever 5.

A final note:  Someone else mentioned the mod operator is supposed to 
be used with integers, so anyRealValue mod anyBase is non-sequitur. 
I didn't see anything in the documentation restricting the use of mod 
to integers; OTOH, I can't recall having a practical need for the mod 
of a non-integer in 25+ years of programming.


-- 

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)


From bvlahos at jpl.nasa.gov  Wed Apr  3 11:10:01 2002
From: bvlahos at jpl.nasa.gov (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Wed Apr  3 11:10:01 2002
Subject: Speed of 'sliding a field'
In-Reply-To: <D71F962C-46D3-11D6-8870-003065C7D368@mac.com>
Message-ID: <05A8E1CA-471D-11D6-9488-000393853DBC@jpl.nasa.gov>

Both on an iBook and TiBook (G4 PowerBook) running OS X, your script is 
very fast but only gives me 2 or 3 "frames" instead of showing all of 
the 25 steps. To see all of the steps I did this:

lock screen
     set the loc of field "list1" to nowX,nowY
unlock screen with plain very fast

Alternatively I replaced your line below with:

	move field "list1" to nowX,nowY

and got smoother animation.

It looks like Rev executes the loop faster than the computer can display 
it.

Bill Vlahos

On Tuesday, April 2, 2002, at 11:24 PM, David Kwinter wrote:

>     set the loc of field "list1" to nowX,nowY




From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Apr  3 11:37:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed Apr  3 11:37:01 2002
Subject: no message to startUp
In-Reply-To: <A4C694C0-46B8-11D6-8C74-003065847600@onechip.com>
Message-ID: <2E734E2B-4720-11D6-AE46-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

Concerning "startup" sent to stack but not card...

On Tuesday, April 2, 2002, at 09:09 PM, John wrote:

> This is a bug then?

Or documentation problem.  It is inconsistent and adds a new 
concept concerning message paths.  The documentation says openStack 
et al are sent to the card.

If this is just a Windows 2000 thing, then it is a a bug, I think.  
I haven't tried it on OS X.  Yet.

Or maybe I did something dumb.

> Should this be posted to the improve list so that it makes the to 
> be fixed list?

I'll do that in a bit.

In the spirit of the "use" list, I only mentioned what it took to 
make it work.

> I don't know if bugs are picked up from this list or not...

It was pointed out earlier that they might be only by chance.

Dar Scott



From cyberscope at dca.net  Wed Apr  3 12:11:01 2002
From: cyberscope at dca.net (Gene Kennedy)
Date: Wed Apr  3 12:11:01 2002
Subject: Rev 1.1.1 Release
In-Reply-To: <a05100303b8d0d3a7b79d@[216.229.107.194]>
Message-ID: <B8D0A1CA.219%cyberscope@dca.net>

I just downloaded the release version of Rev 1.1.1 for Mac Classic and
started up.  Everything went as expected until I attempted to build a
distribution for Windows.  With the "auto-downnload any required software"
button checked, the application proceeded to download the windows engine
(674K).  Everything seemed to go OK right up to the end of the download then
I got a "Engine Download: error" message.  I tried this several times with
the exact same results.  Is anyone else experiencing the same thing?

Gene Kennedy



From mark at bcesouth.com  Wed Apr  3 12:33:00 2002
From: mark at bcesouth.com (Mark Paris)
Date: Wed Apr  3 12:33:00 2002
Subject: Rev 1.1.1 Release
References: <B8D0A1CA.219%cyberscope@dca.net>
Message-ID: <001601c1db35$8d244a80$d86600d8@s1>

Yes, I got the same error running on mac 9.2 when I did that, so I just went
back to the previous release on mac and started working on windows for
windows releases.  I don't believe I've tried building (for windows) with
the beta 2 on mac yet, though.

Mark

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Kennedy <cyberscope at dca.net>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 1:10 PM
Subject: Rev 1.1.1 Release


> I just downloaded the release version of Rev 1.1.1 for Mac Classic and
> started up.  Everything went as expected until I attempted to build a
> distribution for Windows.  With the "auto-downnload any required software"
> button checked, the application proceeded to download the windows engine
> (674K).  Everything seemed to go OK right up to the end of the download
then
> I got a "Engine Download: error" message.  I tried this several times with
> the exact same results.  Is anyone else experiencing the same thing?
>
> Gene Kennedy
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From malte.brill at t-online.de  Wed Apr  3 13:15:01 2002
From: malte.brill at t-online.de (malte brill)
Date: Wed Apr  3 13:15:01 2002
Subject: Resizeing stack proportionally
Message-ID: <12240.1B0%malte.brill@t-online.de>

Hi there,
I wrote the following script to resize my stack in a 4:3 ratio

on resizestack
  set the width of stack "main" to the height of stack "main"/100*133.33
  set the rectangle of image "back" to the rectangle of stack"main"
  set the location of image"back" to the width of stack"main"/2,the height
of stack "main"/2
  pass resizestack
end resizestack

sorrowly the stack starts "jumping around" a bit after being resized.
Is there a more elegant way to scale the stack proportionally?

Regards
Malte



From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Apr  3 13:30:00 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed Apr  3 13:30:00 2002
Subject: Resizeing stack proportionally
In-Reply-To: <12240.1B0%malte.brill@t-online.de>
Message-ID: <0ABABDF8-4730-11D6-AE46-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Monday, February 6, 2040, at 07:06 PM, malte brill wrote:

> Is there a more elegant way to scale the stack proportionally?

Replace the resize corner with a control of your own?

Dar Scott




From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Apr  3 13:56:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed Apr  3 13:56:01 2002
Subject: Revolution for CGI Scripts
In-Reply-To: <B8CF8466.9BBA%katir@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <92425641-4733-11D6-AE46-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Tuesday, April 2, 2002, at 06:53 PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:

>> 1.
>> Why is there no quit in your examples?
>
> These scripts are running on a remote server... there is no GUI as you
> understand it. just a) the engine b) the scripts... no interface 
> as such.

I get it.

I was picturing each cgi "script" being a standalone application 
(reading and writing stdin and stdout), a method involving running 
1.6M apps and not very efficient.

(Now the idea of a making scripting standalones can be applied to 
many areas, not just cgi, and that interests me.)

Dar Scott



From lists at retiariusenterprises.com  Wed Apr  3 15:21:00 2002
From: lists at retiariusenterprises.com (Dave)
Date: Wed Apr  3 15:21:00 2002
Subject: Listing directory files
Message-ID: <B8D0B192.9FFA%lists@retiariusenterprises.com>

Is there an easy way in Revolution to list the names of all the files in all
the folders of a specific folder?  I used to use an XCMD for such a thing
and would like to find a native way to do it.

Thanks!

-- 
David
Retiarius Enterprises



From tbandi at swissonline.ch  Wed Apr  3 15:37:01 2002
From: tbandi at swissonline.ch (Till Bandi)
Date: Wed Apr  3 15:37:01 2002
Subject: suspend the user interface on the fly
Message-ID: <3BBE1F16-4742-11D6-97E1-003065C286B0@swissonline.ch>

i would like to catch a control + "F" key combination without getting 
the find dialog of the revolution user interface. That works if I 
suspend the user interface. Is there a possibility to do this 
temporarily with a script?

thanks for any hint

Till



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Apr  3 16:06:00 2002
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed Apr  3 16:06:00 2002
Subject: Listing directory files
References: <B8D0B192.9FFA%lists@retiariusenterprises.com>
Message-ID: <010601c1db52$df27c010$7c00a8c0@mckinley.dom>

Dave,

You need to cycle through all the files and folders manually using the
directories() and files() functions.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave" <lists at retiariusenterprises.com>
To: "Revolution List" <use-revolution at www.runrev.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 2:19 PM
Subject: Listing directory files


> Is there an easy way in Revolution to list the names of all the files in
all
> the folders of a specific folder?  I used to use an XCMD for such a thing
> and would like to find a native way to do it.
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> David
> Retiarius Enterprises
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Apr  3 16:10:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed Apr  3 16:10:01 2002
Subject: Listing directory files
In-Reply-To: <B8D0B192.9FFA%lists@retiariusenterprises.com>
Message-ID: <60FB6D2D-4746-11D6-AE46-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Wednesday, April 3, 2002, at 01:19 PM, Dave wrote:

> Is there an easy way in Revolution to list the names of all the 
> files in all
> the folders of a specific folder?

If you are comfortable with writing recursive functions, I bet you 
can write a small function to do this with folders(), files() and 
defaultFolder.

Dar Scott
Still a Revolution Newbie, actually.



From rcozens at pon.net  Wed Apr  3 17:02:01 2002
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Wed Apr  3 17:02:01 2002
Subject: suspend the user interface on the fly
In-Reply-To: <3BBE1F16-4742-11D6-97E1-003065C286B0@swissonline.ch>
References: <3BBE1F16-4742-11D6-97E1-003065C286B0@swissonline.ch>
Message-ID: <a05100301b8d12a549c2f@[216.229.107.113]>

>i would like to catch a control + "F" key combination without 
>getting the find dialog of the revolution user interface. That works 
>if I suspend the user interface. Is there a possibility to do this 
>temporarily with a script?

Hi Till,

on controlKeyDown zaKey
   if zaKey is not "F" or [your temporary on/off switch here] then 
pass controlKeyDown
end controlKeyDown
-- 

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)


From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Wed Apr  3 17:16:00 2002
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed Apr  3 17:16:00 2002
Subject: Resizeing stack proportionally
In-Reply-To: <S.0000549414@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <189E4F40-4750-11D6-9E58-00306566C7B4@genesearch.com.au>

Store the topLeft of the stack before setting the width, then restore it 
afterwards.
Here's what I used (without any or your image stuff):

on resizestack
   put the topLeft of this stack into tL
   lock screen  -- so people don't see the window moving
   set the width of this stack  to the height of this stack/100*133.33
   set the topLeft of this stack to tL
end resizestack

It is still a bit odd in that you release the mouse button and the 
window then does things of it's own accord, but it keeps the window 
anchored in the same spot while constraining the proportions.

Sarah


On Tuesday, January 19, 2038, at 01:14  pm, malte brill wrote:

> on resizestack
>   set the width of stack "main" to the height of stack "main"/100*133.33
>   set the rectangle of image "back" to the rectangle of stack"main"
>   set the location of image"back" to the width of stack"main"/2,the 
> height
> of stack "main"/2
>   pass resizestack
> end resizestack



From iansummerfield at btconnect.com  Wed Apr  3 17:16:14 2002
From: iansummerfield at btconnect.com (Ian Summerfield)
Date: Wed Apr  3 17:16:14 2002
Subject: Speed of 'sliding a field'
In-Reply-To: <D71F962C-46D3-11D6-8870-003065C7D368@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B8D13D13.6331%iansummerfield@btconnect.com>

I have a G3 450MHz running OS X Revolution 1.1.1b2.   It took 27 ticks to
run.   BUT,  I was missing the effect - is that what you mean by choppiness?
I added an "unlock screen" before the "end repeat",  the effect is nicer.
I also added a timer,  here's the revised script:

on mouseup
   put 135 into startX
   put 82 into startY
   put 20 into startH
   put 134 into startW

   put 403 into endX
   put 227 into endY
   put 310 into endH
   put 246 into endW

   put endX-startX into netX
   put endY-startY into netY
   put endH-startH into netH
   put endW-startW into netW

   put 0 into x
  
   -- remember the time this loop started
   put the ticks into starttime
 
   repeat 25 times
     add 4 to x

     put ((x/100)*netX)+startX into nowX
     put ((x/100)*netY)+startY into nowY
     put ((x/100)*netH)+startH into nowH
     put ((x/100)*netW)+startW into nowW

     set the width of field "list1" to the round of nowW
     set the height of field "list1" to the round of nowH
     put the round of nowX into nowX
     put the round of nowY into nowY

     set the loc of field "list1" to nowX,nowY
     -- unlock screen redraws the screen
     unlock screen
  end repeat
 

  -- puts into the message box the time taken in ticks to run the loop
  put the ticks-starttime

end mouseup


On 3/4/02 8:24 am, "David Kwinter" <dk42 at mac.com> scribed:

> I've been frustrated by slowness lately whenever I've tried to make a
> Rev script do anything dynamic. Am I doing something wrong? I doubt my
> G4 lacks enough power to do some of the things I want to do. Here, for
> example is a chunk of script which slides a field into position. If you
> try it out let me know if you don't mind the choppyness. Is there a
> solution?
> 



From kspieldenner at lifetouch.com  Wed Apr  3 17:18:01 2002
From: kspieldenner at lifetouch.com (KEITH SPIELDENNER)
Date: Wed Apr  3 17:18:01 2002
Subject: Revolution.out window when disconnect from database
Message-ID: <A13C32D6BC38D311BBD5009027869993567CEC@EXCHIN1>

Hello,
I am connecting to a SQL 7 database through the Microsoft ODBC SQL 7 driver
on a Mac and have encountered two annoyances. 

First, even after passing the user and password through the revdb_connect()
command, I am presented with a dialog asking for user and password. No entry
is needed, just hit OK or Cancel and the dialog disappears. The connection
is complete. I take this to be some ODBC quirk, but I only get this problem
on the Mac, not on a PC.

Second, when disconnecting from the database using
revdb_disconnect(myConnectionID), a window titled "Revolution.out" appears
to confirm the disconnect. The disconnect functions properly, but I cannot
dismiss this window without quitting and restarting either the Rev
development environment or the standalone that I created. Also, my menus get
messed up once this window appears -- I get two Apple menus and two File
menus. Getting openstacks, windows, etc. does not reveal that this window
even exists.  Again, I don't have this problem on the PC, only on a Mac.

Any ideas?

Keith Spieldenner


From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Wed Apr  3 17:23:01 2002
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed Apr  3 17:23:01 2002
Subject: Speed of 'sliding a field'
In-Reply-To: <S.0000549148@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <2E57E510-4751-11D6-9E58-00306566C7B4@genesearch.com.au>

On a 333 Mhz G3 iMac, this script ran too fast for me to see what was 
supposed to happen - it just jumped into place with 1 or 2 intermediate 
steps. I put a "wait for 1 tick" line on the repeat loop and then it 
worked beautifully. Is there something else happening at the same time 
that could be slowing things down? What about any pending messages? Or 
is the field sliding over complex graphics that take a lot of redrawing?

Sarah

On Wednesday, April 3, 2002, at 05:24  pm, David Kwinter wrote:

> I've been frustrated by slowness lately whenever I've tried to make a 
> Rev script do anything dynamic. Am I doing something wrong? I doubt my 
> G4 lacks enough power to do some of the things I want to do. Here, for 
> example is a chunk of script which slides a field into position. If you 
> try it out let me know if you don't mind the choppyness. Is there a 
> solution?
>
<snip>



From jswitte at bloomington.in.us  Wed Apr  3 17:34:01 2002
From: jswitte at bloomington.in.us (James Witte)
Date: Wed Apr  3 17:34:01 2002
Subject: Rev and tail-recusion
In-Reply-To: <60FB6D2D-4746-11D6-AE46-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0204031731490.3764-100000@kirkwood.hoosier.net>

  Does the "demo" version of Rev have any limits on depth of recusion?
Does Revolution handle tail-recusion correctly (as a jump without building
a call frame, like Scheme and C# and unlike Java)?

Jim

> If you are comfortable with writing recursive functions, I bet you
> can write a small function to do this with folders(), files() and



From drvaughan55 at mac.com  Wed Apr  3 17:40:00 2002
From: drvaughan55 at mac.com (David Vaughan)
Date: Wed Apr  3 17:40:00 2002
Subject: MOD function does not work!  So be warned!
In-Reply-To: <a05100303b8d0d3a7b79d@[216.229.107.194]>
Message-ID: <972117AE-4753-11D6-8834-000393598038@mac.com>

On Thursday, April 4, 2002, at 01:59 , Rob Cozens wrote:
snip
>
> A final note:  Someone else mentioned the mod operator is supposed to 
> be used with integers, so anyRealValue mod anyBase is non-sequitur. I 
> didn't see anything in the documentation restricting the use of mod to 
> integers; OTOH, I can't recall having a practical need for the mod of a 
> non-integer in 25+ years of programming.

Rob

The someone else was me, and since another writer made a similar point 
about my comment I should clarify that I did not make it in relation to 
Rev (and hence the documentation makes no such statement) but to the MOD 
function as it was initially implemented (so far as I know) in the 
languages of 25+ or even 35+ years ago. I was talking about distant 
antecedents rather than current usage.

OTOH, if we wish to use a comparison where the significant result is an 
integer then isn't it natural to ensure we are dealing with an integer? 
[This is a rhetorical question :-)]  Changing the last line of your 
example to
put (var1 = var2) && ((round(var1) mod 5)= (round(var2) mod 5))
does this.

I am of the view that the MOD function works no worse than I might 
expect it to on a computer, if less well than I would prefer. I don't 
like surprises of this nature either but that is one reason I act to 
avoid them.

regards
David
>
>
> --
> Rob Cozens
> CCW, Serendipity Software Company
> http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm
>
> "And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
> Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."
>
> from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Apr  3 17:46:01 2002
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed Apr  3 17:46:01 2002
Subject: RR now charging royalities for runtimes?
Message-ID: <MPELJJGBBDPBNCHJHAOOCEBMCGAA.chipp@chipp.com>

Does anyone know anything about this? They call it an "Installation
License." I'd sure like to know more...

http://www.runrev.com/revolution/licensesfaq.html
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From drvaughan55 at mac.com  Wed Apr  3 17:46:10 2002
From: drvaughan55 at mac.com (David Vaughan)
Date: Wed Apr  3 17:46:10 2002
Subject: Listing directory files
In-Reply-To: <60FB6D2D-4746-11D6-AE46-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <5BB11725-4754-11D6-8834-000393598038@mac.com>

Dave

Several varieties of such recursive scripts were published just a few 
weeks ago. Check the archives or else write again and many of us 
(judging from last time) will publish again if you prefer not to 
reinvent it.

regards
David

On Thursday, April 4, 2002, at 07:04 , Dar Scott wrote:

>
> On Wednesday, April 3, 2002, at 01:19 PM, Dave wrote:
>
>> Is there an easy way in Revolution to list the names of all the files 
>> in all
>> the folders of a specific folder?
>
> If you are comfortable with writing recursive functions, I bet you can 
> write a small function to do this with folders(), files() and 
> defaultFolder.
>
> Dar Scott
> Still a Revolution Newbie, actually.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Apr  3 18:29:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed Apr  3 18:29:01 2002
Subject: Rev and tail-recusion
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0204031731490.3764-100000@kirkwood.hoosier.net>
Message-ID: <CA4970A9-4759-11D6-AE46-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Wednesday, April 3, 2002, at 03:33 PM, James Witte wrote:

>   Does the "demo" version of Rev have any limits on depth of recusion?
> Does Revolution handle tail-recusion correctly (as a jump without 
> building
> a call frame, like Scheme and C# and unlike Java)?

In the documentation...

    Development Guide --> The System Environment --> Ref --> Mem & Limits

... this info is provided:

   "Unlimited" means bound by available memory or 4G whichever is 
smaller.
   Maximum Level of Recursion:  Unlimited

The documentation on scriptLimits() function doesn't indicate any 
other limitation on recursion.

I would guess that Revolution probably does not implement tail 
recursion optimization, but it is hard to tell from the above 
information.  Would you like to do the crash test?

Since the documentation on recursion does not place any other 
guarantees on recursion depth, then both optimization and lack of 
optimization are "correct".  The implementer is free to implement 
it.

Being new to Revolution, I can only repeat the docs.

Forever loops in many apps are probably "send ... to me in ...", 
anyway.  There is no depth limit here if care is taken.  State 
would exist in, say, global variables and elsewhere.  There is no 
need to pass state as parameters, and the whole idea wouldn't fit 
into Revolution style, of course.

Dar Scott



From iansummerfield at btconnect.com  Wed Apr  3 18:37:00 2002
From: iansummerfield at btconnect.com (Ian Summerfield)
Date: Wed Apr  3 18:37:00 2002
Subject: Speed of 'sliding a field' - PASTE BUG!
In-Reply-To: <D71F962C-46D3-11D6-8870-003065C7D368@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B8D15058.6384%iansummerfield@btconnect.com>

Ah, I think I've just found what slows it down.  I think everyone who tried
it probably did what I did,  create a new stack, a new scrolling field, a
button for your script, and clicked the button.  We see a rect zoom open
(well, some bits of it).  I just found that if I put some text in the field
it takes longer, going from 26 ticks to 97 ticks.  That was just a few
lines.  How much text is in your field?   Does the text use lots of styles,
type faces?  Is the field locked, plain, scrolling, list?

Then I wondered what would happen if I put a LOT of text in the field.  I
typed:

"This is a test".

I selected all in the field and paste, paste, paste, about 10 times.  Select
all again, paste paste paste again.  Repeated this about 3 times, all the
time I'm pasting larger and larger amounts of data,  it soon grows.  After
very little time Revolution Unexpectedly quits.  It seems Revolution has a
bug limiting the either the paste amount or the field size.

OS X 10.1.3; Revolution 1.1.1b2.


On 3/4/02 8:24 am, "David Kwinter" <dk42 at mac.com> scribed:

> I've been frustrated by slowness lately whenever I've tried to make a
> Rev script do anything dynamic. Am I doing something wrong? I doubt my
> G4 lacks enough power to do some of the things I want to do. Here, for
> example is a chunk of script which slides a field into position. If you
> try it out let me know if you don't mind the choppyness. Is there a
> solution?
> 



From michael at GreppyDreppies.com  Wed Apr  3 19:55:01 2002
From: michael at GreppyDreppies.com (Michael D Mays)
Date: Wed Apr  3 19:55:01 2002
Subject: MOD function does not work!  So be warned!
In-Reply-To: <a05100303b8d0d3a7b79d@[216.229.107.194]>
Message-ID: <B8D0FFF8.5338E%michael@GreppyDreppies.com>

Rob Cozens of rcozens at pon.net wrote the following on 4/3/02 9:59 AM

>> on testMod
>>  put 249 into var1
>>  put var1 into var2
>>  add 1.0 to var1
>>  repeat 10
>>   add 0.1 to var2
>>  end repeat
>>  put (var1=var2)&&((var1 mod 5)=(var2 mod 5))
>> end testMod

On the Mac with PPC numerics as I understand it 249 and 1 are represented
exactly as is the sum of 249+1.
 249   -> 011111001
+  1   -> 000000001
=250   -> 011111010 -> var1

 249   -> 011111001
+  0.1 -> 000000000.00011001100110011001100110011 ...
+  0.1 -> 000000000.00011001100110011001100110011 ...
+  0.1 -> 000000000.00011001100110011001100110011 ...
+  0.1 -> 000000000.00011001100110011001100110011 ...
+  0.1 -> 000000000.00011001100110011001100110011 ...
+  0.1 -> 000000000.00011001100110011001100110011 ...
+  0.1 -> 000000000.00011001100110011001100110011 ...
+  0.1 -> 000000000.00011001100110011001100110011 ...
+  0.1 -> 000000000.00011001100110011001100110011 ...
+  0.1 -> 000000000.00011001100110011001100110011 ...
=249.9*-> 011111001.11111111111111111111111111110 ... -> var2
*249.999999...
var1<>var2

add this line to the beginning of the above script
 set the numberFormat to "0.########################################"
and append this to the penultimate line.
 &&var1&&var2 
Now the result is
 true false 250 249.99999999999994315658113919199

MOD returns the remainder left when one number divides into another. So we
are asking for
011111001.00011001100110011001100110011 ... / 00000101 -> a remainder
vs
011111010 / 00000101 -> no remainder

= on some systems wants an exact match. Not so using PPC numerics. They only
need to round to within 15 decimal digits or so (There two decimal orders of
rounding for Dar:). Which the above two numbers do. If you would have ran
the loop to 1000 and adjusted your parameters for 100 instead of 1 you would
have found
 false false

MOD is working. = is working. MOD is strictly a binary comparison. = does
rounding trying to conform to our decimal perception of the universe.:)

michael



From wow at together.net  Wed Apr  3 22:47:00 2002
From: wow at together.net (Richard D. Miller)
Date: Wed Apr  3 22:47:00 2002
Subject: Rev 1.1.1 Release
In-Reply-To: <B8D0A1CA.219%cyberscope@dca.net>
Message-ID: <B8D13659.2A5D5%wow@together.net>

I posted a question regarding this almost two weeks ago, but haven't
received a response from the Rev folks. It's a matter that needs to be
addressed. What IS the story with the distribution engine for Windows?


-- 
Richard Miller
The Wood Exchange.info
http://www.thewoodexchange.info
802-238-5355
802-951-2534 fax


> I just downloaded the release version of Rev 1.1.1 for Mac Classic and
> started up.  Everything went as expected until I attempted to build a
> distribution for Windows.  With the "auto-downnload any required software"
> button checked, the application proceeded to download the windows engine
> (674K).  Everything seemed to go OK right up to the end of the download then
> I got a "Engine Download: error" message.  I tried this several times with
> the exact same results.  Is anyone else experiencing the same thing?
> 
> Gene Kennedy
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From jeanne at runrev.com  Wed Apr  3 23:01:01 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Wed Apr  3 23:01:01 2002
Subject: How do I break out of runtime?
In-Reply-To: <87C0D37B-4711-11D6-BC37-003065BC131C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <v03130309b8d14f11a341@[216.99.192.214]>

At 6:46 AM -0800 4/3/2002, Barry Levine wrote:
>When I double-click on a ".rev" stack, Revolution launches into the
>"runtime"(?) mode and I can't figure out how to break out back into the
>development mode without quitting Rev and then launching Rev directly
>(and then opening the stack).

That's right; it's the way the engine works currently. The only way I'm
aware of to load the development environment is to quit and start up Rev
again directly.

>Also: I've occasionally (well, more than that) had some bad code in a
>handler that, essentially, freezes Rev into an endless loop. What
>keystrokes can I press to break back into the development side.

Command-period (on a Mac), control-period (on Windows or Unix).

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
http://www.runrev.com/
Runtime Revolution Limited - Power to the Developer!




From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Apr  3 23:06:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed Apr  3 23:06:01 2002
Subject: FP scripts
Message-ID: <67152F47-4780-11D6-AE46-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

Lately, we have had some questions and explorations concerning 
binary floating point numbers in Revolution.

Here are some functions that can be used to examine the floating 
point representation.  You can use them to log intermediate values 
in confusing calculations.  Or you can use them to learn about 
floating point or to prove bugs.

function rawFP x
   -- returns a string showing the binary values of the eight bytes
   set numberFormat to "00000000.#"
   put binaryEncode("d", x) into y
   put empty into z
   repeat for each char c in y
     put (baseConvert(charToNum(c),10,2)+0) & " " after z
   end repeat
   return z
end rawFP

function FP x
   -- returns a string in this form:
   -- -1.000000000010000000000...0000 (binary) * 2^24 (decimal)
   local bits
   put binaryEncode("d", x) into y
   put binaryDecode("B64",y,bits) into count
   if char 1 of bits = "1" then put "-" into bin
   put "1." & char 13 to -1 of bits & " (binary) " after bin
   put "* 2^" & baseConvert(char 2 to 12 of bits,2,10)-1023 \
      & " (decimal)" after bin
   return bin
end FP

This last one does not indicate +inf, NaN and so on.  I did it 
second, so it is a little cleaner.    It will have to be modified 
to get the fixed point form used by Michael Mays in recent mail.

Dar Scott



From prodevm at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  3 23:13:01 2002
From: prodevm at yahoo.com (Steve L)
Date: Wed Apr  3 23:13:01 2002
Subject: Spreadsheet Style Display (.mc to .rev)?
In-Reply-To: <v03130316b8ccc313f4b0@[216.99.194.246]>
Message-ID: <20020404041140.86736.qmail@web20305.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi, 

I have downloaded the file that was recommended here:
Jacque Landeman Gay's "Pseudotable", which is at
http://www.hyperactivesw.com/downloads/pseudtbl.mc.hqx.

However, this file is in .mc format, how could this be
used/converted to .rev format?

Thanks

Steve

--- "Jeanne A. E. DeVoto" <jeanne at runrev.com> wrote:
> At 8:50 AM -0800 3/29/2002, Dennis F. Kahlbaum
> wrote:
> >Does Revolution already have a quick or built-in
> means to display
> >information in a spreadsheet style?  This would
> include rows, columns,
> >headings, vertical and horizontal scroll bars,
> by-cell editing, etc.
> 
> Putting this into Revolution as a native capability
> is on the requests
> list. (In the meantime, though, several people have
> come up with scripted
> solutions for just this purpose. You might take a
> look at Jacque Landeman
> Gay's "Pseudotable", which is at
>
<http://www.hyperactivesw.com/downloads/pseudtbl.mc.hqx>.)
> 
> >(I must admit, I find the Transcript Dictionary
> search engine
> >misleading. For example, type database or array,
> and nothing appears,
> >yet there IS information about both. Does anyone
> have a tips regarding
> >Revolution Documentation?)
> 
> If you'll take a look at the tool tip for the Find
> field, you'll see why.
> (I'm adding a little text to the field label to make
> this clearer.)
> 
> You can search the full text of a section by holding
> down the Option or Alt
> key while pressing Return.
> 
> --
> Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
> http://www.runrev.com/
> Runtime Revolution Limited - Power to the Developer!
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution


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From drvaughan55 at mac.com  Wed Apr  3 23:32:01 2002
From: drvaughan55 at mac.com (David Vaughan)
Date: Wed Apr  3 23:32:01 2002
Subject: Spreadsheet Style Display (.mc to .rev)?
In-Reply-To: <20020404041140.86736.qmail@web20305.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B10FD790-4784-11D6-8834-000393598038@mac.com>

Steve

replace "mc" with "rev" in the file name and congratulations on a 
brilliant conversion :-) :-)

cheers
David

On Thursday, April 4, 2002, at 02:11 , Steve L wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have downloaded the file that was recommended here:
> Jacque Landeman Gay's "Pseudotable", which is at
> http://www.hyperactivesw.com/downloads/pseudtbl.mc.hqx.
>
> However, this file is in .mc format, how could this be
> used/converted to .rev format?
>
> Thanks
>
> Steve
>
> --- "Jeanne A. E. DeVoto" <jeanne at runrev.com> wrote:
>> At 8:50 AM -0800 3/29/2002, Dennis F. Kahlbaum
>> wrote:
>>> Does Revolution already have a quick or built-in
>> means to display
>>> information in a spreadsheet style?  This would
>> include rows, columns,
>>> headings, vertical and horizontal scroll bars,
>> by-cell editing, etc.
>>
>> Putting this into Revolution as a native capability
>> is on the requests
>> list. (In the meantime, though, several people have
>> come up with scripted
>> solutions for just this purpose. You might take a
>> look at Jacque Landeman
>> Gay's "Pseudotable", which is at
>>
> <http://www.hyperactivesw.com/downloads/pseudtbl.mc.hqx>.)
>>
>>> (I must admit, I find the Transcript Dictionary
>> search engine
>>> misleading. For example, type database or array,
>> and nothing appears,
>>> yet there IS information about both. Does anyone
>> have a tips regarding
>>> Revolution Documentation?)
>>
>> If you'll take a look at the tool tip for the Find
>> field, you'll see why.
>> (I'm adding a little text to the field label to make
>> this clearer.)
>>
>> You can search the full text of a section by holding
>> down the Option or Alt
>> key while pressing Return.
>>
>> --
>> Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
>> http://www.runrev.com/
>> Runtime Revolution Limited - Power to the Developer!
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
> __________________________________________________
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> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Apr  3 23:38:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed Apr  3 23:38:01 2002
Subject: FP scripts
In-Reply-To: <67152F47-4780-11D6-AE46-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <E7723AC6-4784-11D6-AE46-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Wednesday, April 3, 2002, at 08:59 PM, Dar Scott wrote:
> This last one does not indicate +inf and so on.

Whoops.  I forgot 0.  It will look like 1*2^-1023.  It is all zero 
bits.  It, too, is special.

Dar Scott



From Zzyzx at Relia.Net  Wed Apr  3 23:47:01 2002
From: Zzyzx at Relia.Net (Josh Dye)
Date: Wed Apr  3 23:47:01 2002
Subject: Live Video Feed?
Message-ID: <002601c1db93$92619a30$9400a8c0@XHEAD2>

Hello,
    Here is an interesting question.... Is there a way to hook up like a WebCam or something of that sort to a computer, and have Rev record it, and use it as Live Feed? So, it is live in a Quicktime window... Got any ideas? 

If there is a will, there is a way...



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From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Apr  3 23:48:00 2002
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed Apr  3 23:48:00 2002
Subject: Rev 1.1.1 Release
In-Reply-To: <B8D13659.2A5D5%wow@together.net>
Message-ID: <BBEIJJIICJJBOLMBODHCIEJPCIAA.chipp@chipp.com>

Richard,

> I posted a question regarding this almost two weeks ago, but haven't
> received a response from the Rev folks. It's a matter that needs to be
> addressed. What IS the story with the distribution engine for Windows?

You can find the latest 1.1.1 at RunRev's site in the download section.


From harrison at all-auctions.com  Thu Apr  4 00:09:01 2002
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Richard Harrison)
Date: Thu Apr  4 00:09:01 2002
Subject: Trailing Zero Suppression
In-Reply-To: <002601c1db93$92619a30$9400a8c0@XHEAD2>
Message-ID: <B8D149C2.671%harrison@all-auctions.com>

Hi there,

Does anyone have a good trailing zero suppression
routine for eliminating trailing zeroes from decimal numbers?

Thanks,

Rick Harrison



From jeanne at runrev.com  Thu Apr  4 00:09:10 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Thu Apr  4 00:09:10 2002
Subject: Spreadsheet Style Display (.mc to .rev)?
In-Reply-To: <20020404041140.86736.qmail@web20305.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <v03130316b8ccc313f4b0@[216.99.194.246]>
Message-ID: <v0313030cb8d18edda0a4@[216.99.192.214]>

At 8:11 PM -0800 4/3/2002, Steve L wrote:
>I have downloaded the file that was recommended here:
>Jacque Landeman Gay's "Pseudotable", which is at
>http://www.hyperactivesw.com/downloads/pseudtbl.mc.hqx.
>
>However, this file is in .mc format, how could this be
>used/converted to .rev format?

Revolution will open any MetaCard stack. Just use the Open Stack menu item
to open the file.

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
http://www.runrev.com/
Runtime Revolution Limited - Power to the Developer!




From themacguy at mac.com  Thu Apr  4 01:25:01 2002
From: themacguy at mac.com (Barry Levine)
Date: Thu Apr  4 01:25:01 2002
Subject: Database-type data but without a server?
Message-ID: <505E68A3-4794-11D6-B8A5-003065BC131C@mac.com>

I'm making an educational "math game" that will have a series of 
multiple choice questions. I did something like this about 12 years ago 
in HyperCard and stored the test question and the four choices in, 
respectively, one background field and four card-layer buttons. Each 
additional question required a new card. I'd like to do this in a more 
efficient manner this time around so I was thinking about using only one 
card with the one field and four buttons, and then reading the test 
questions and the four multiple choice answers from a file 
(comma-delimited?). The data then would be "put" into the field and 
buttons and the user would click on the button. We're looking at simple 
elementary math here so I would assume none of that "MOD" nonsense 
(discussed at great length recently) would affect the stack's logic in 
verifying the correct answer.

I digress...The main point of this question is whether I am thinking 
"correctly" about managing the test data (and also saving the results of 
the tests) by using simple text files - one for each set of test 
questions/answers (and one for each "user" [student] to store the 
results of the tests. I know there is database functionality but it 
seems as if I need to run a database server (MySQL or Valentina are 
mentioned in the Database Manager window). Again, I'd like to keep this 
as simple as possible. I do expect that will be about 50 "sets" of test 
questions, each set consisting of about 10-15 questions.

A follow-on to the above question is how the "student test results" data 
files can be processed in a report. Is there some kind of field or, 
perhaps, a group of fields that would permit me to "pretty-print" a 
report? I suppose simply processing all of the student test results 
files using a script in Rev and then sending it out to a tab-delimited 
file one could open in Excel is an acceptable solution. However, it 
would be nice to keep everything happening within the Rev environment.

Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. If you would prefer to 
eMail me directly instead of posting to the list, I will gladly accept 
whatever advice you might offer.

Thanks,

Barry
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From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Thu Apr  4 01:58:01 2002
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Thu Apr  4 01:58:01 2002
Subject: Speed of 'sliding a field' - PASTE BUG!
In-Reply-To: <B8D15058.6384%iansummerfield@btconnect.com>
References: <B8D15058.6384%iansummerfield@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <a05100304b8d1a4f087fd@[188.9.94.76]>

At 12:35 AM +0100 4/4/02, Ian Summerfield wrote:
>Then I wondered what would happen if I put a LOT of text in the field.  I
>typed:
>
>"This is a test".
>
>I selected all in the field and paste, paste, paste, about 10 times.  

Note that at this point, the field contains 14 + 14 * 10 = 154 characters.

>Select
>all again, paste paste paste again.  

140 + 140*3 = 560 characters

>Repeated this about 3 times, 

560 + 560*3 = 2240
2240 + 2240*3 = 8960
8960 + 8960*3 = 35840

all the
>time I'm pasting larger and larger amounts of data,  it soon grows.  After
>very little time Revolution Unexpectedly quits.  

Do it three more times and you're up to 2 megabytes. Change the number of times you pasted along the way, and you could easily have been trying to copy a gigabyte, although I doubt you could have gotten that far. I don't think there is an absolute limit, but in a practical sense you probably won't want to copy more than a few hundred K.

It seems Revolution has a
>bug limiting the either the paste amount or the field size.
>
>OS X 10.1.3; Revolution 1.1.1b2.
-- 

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com


From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Apr  4 03:04:01 2002
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu Apr  4 03:04:01 2002
Subject: Trailing Zero Suppression
In-Reply-To: <B8D149C2.671%harrison@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <BBEIJJIICJJBOLMBODHCGEKBCIAA.chipp@chipp.com>

Rick,

Try this (or someting like it)

on mouseUp
  put killTrail(5123.54001000)
end mouseUp

function killTrail val
  if val contains "." then
    if last char of val is in "123456789." then 
      return val
    else
      delete last char of val
      return killTrail(val)
    end if
  else
    return "no decimal number here"
  end if
end killTrail

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Richard
> Harrison
> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:08 PM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Trailing Zero Suppression
> 
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> Does anyone have a good trailing zero suppression
> routine for eliminating trailing zeroes from decimal numbers?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Rick Harrison
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution


From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Thu Apr  4 03:31:01 2002
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Thu Apr  4 03:31:01 2002
Subject: Rev 1.1.1 Release
In-Reply-To: <B8D0A1CA.219%cyberscope@dca.net>
References: <B8D0A1CA.219%cyberscope@dca.net>
Message-ID: <p05101500b8d1b45beac5@[192.168.123.3]>

At 12:10 pm -0600 3/4/02, Gene Kennedy wrote:
>I just downloaded the release version of Rev 1.1.1 for Mac Classic and
>started up.  Everything went as expected until I attempted to build a
>distribution for Windows.  With the "auto-downnload any required software"
>button checked, the application proceeded to download the windows engine
>(674K).  Everything seemed to go OK right up to the end of the download then
>I got a "Engine Download: error" message.  I tried this several times with
>the exact same results.  Is anyone else experiencing the same thing?

Hi Gene

I just followed the same procedure and it works here (running on OS 
9.2.2). Do you get the same problem with the other engines, or just 
for the Windows engine?

Cheers
Dave Cragg


From iansummerfield at btconnect.com  Thu Apr  4 04:40:00 2002
From: iansummerfield at btconnect.com (Ian Summerfield)
Date: Thu Apr  4 04:40:00 2002
Subject: AppleScript help
Message-ID: <B8D1DD32.63B0%iansummerfield@btconnect.com>

I can't get my OS X system to shut down the power to the Mac:

Do "tell app " & quote & "Finder" & quote & " to shut down" as applescript

It doesn't work, revolution itself cancels the shut down because it's too
busy waiting for a result from AppleScript to do the quit!  Can I fire off
AppleScripts without waiting for the response?

Has anyone a better way to power off?  I get a message from my UPS that I
have only ten minutes battery left and I want to cleanly shut down the
system.

-i-



From Marian.Petrides at sm10.texas.rr.com  Thu Apr  4 04:47:01 2002
From: Marian.Petrides at sm10.texas.rr.com (Marian.Petrides at sm10.texas.rr.com)
Date: Thu Apr  4 04:47:01 2002
Subject: Today's really stupid newbie question
In-Reply-To: <v03130306b8d0aeade3fd@[216.99.192.214]>
Message-ID: <5D56BA2C-4705-11D6-8E6A-000A27D91A2A@earthlink.net>

Thanks, Mike for asking the question I was going to be grappling with 
today!  (And I'm not exactly a Rev newbie, but have not had the time to 
work with Rev much lately.)

If I'm lucky, you'll ask all of my questions for me right before I think 
of them ;-)

Thanks, Jeanne for the detailed instructions AND for spelling out the 
rationale behind doing it this way.  I always find things easier to 
remember if I understand WHY I'm doing them that way.

Marian

On Wednesday, April 3, 2002, at 07:09 AM, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote:

> At 4:57 AM -0800 4/3/2002, Michael Foy wrote:
>> how do I create a new card with a different background (oops sorry 
>> grouped
>> objects) do I create a new card and then delete the grouped objects on 
>> it?
>
> When you create a card, any groups on the card you're on, whose
> backgroundBehavior is set to true, will be placed on the card. This is
> automatic and can't, as far as I know, be prevented. You can:
>
> - set the backgroundBehavior of all the groups to false, then create 
> the card.
> - create the card and remove the groups
> - go to another card first that has the groups you want on it and 
> doesn't
> have the ones you don't want, and create your card while on that card.
>
> And of course you can script any of this. It depends on what you want 
> to do
> and whether you want the groups you have already to act like 
> backgrounds or
> not.
>
>
>> can't we have a 'new card' menu with a choice of backgrounds?
>
> Well, the thing is that you may want a new card that has several groups 
> on
> it, in which case you'd be out of luck.
>
> --
> Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
> http://www.runrev.com/
> Runtime Revolution Limited - Power to the Developer!
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
Marian Petrides, M.D.

mpetrides at earthlink.net
mpetrides at pathology.umsmed.edu



From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Apr  4 05:36:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu Apr  4 05:36:01 2002
Subject: Speed of 'sliding a field' - PASTE BUG!
In-Reply-To: <a05100304b8d1a4f087fd@[188.9.94.76]>
Message-ID: <E97ED7F4-47B6-11D6-B77A-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Wednesday, April 3, 2002, at 11:55 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote:

>> After
>> very little time Revolution Unexpectedly quits.
>
> Do it three more times and you're up to 2 megabytes.

The doc says the maximum number of characters per line is 65,563.  
I can't say whether it is an excuse for "Unexpectedly", but it 
might be an explanation.

Dar Scott



From rodmc at runrev.com  Thu Apr  4 05:48:01 2002
From: rodmc at runrev.com (Rod McCall)
Date: Thu Apr  4 05:48:01 2002
Subject: What software have you created?
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020404113738.04c8e938@64.23.0.192>

Dear All,

Runtime is currently looking at ways to showcase products developed by 
Revolution in our promotional materials. Typically this would take the form 
of a brochure in which we would display a screen shot of your product and 
possibly a short description. In all cases we would acknowledge that the 
product was written by a third party.

If you feel your product would be suitable for inclusion in a brochure or 
other materials please get in touch with me. In addition if there are any 
particular aspects you think look especially interesting please also send 
me a screenshot of that feature.

Thank you for your assistance.

Kind regards,

Rod McCall

PS. I will be off late next week for a few weeks to complete my PhD so 
please accept my apologies for any delay in replies.

Rod McCall
Runtime Revolution Ltd <www.runrev.com>
91 Hanover Street, Edinburgh,  EH2 1DJ, UK
tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165 fax: +44 (0) 131 718 4334
"Power to the Developer" (Mac/Windows/Linux/Unix)
Free trial download available.



From wow at together.net  Thu Apr  4 06:47:01 2002
From: wow at together.net (Richard D. Miller)
Date: Thu Apr  4 06:47:01 2002
Subject: Rev 1.1.1 Release
In-Reply-To: <BBEIJJIICJJBOLMBODHCIEJPCIAA.chipp@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <B8D1A6DF.2A615%wow@together.net>

I don't think you guys are really paying careful attention to this matter,
though I could be wrong. Yes...the newest release installs fine on Windows.
And yes, you can develop applications fine in Windows with the new release.
The issue is in the DISTRIBUTION area...when you're building an app for
distribution to others. Take a look in the Components folder and then the
Engines folder. I believe you will see that the Windows engine is exactly
the same one as in the previous build. I couldn't find a more recent
release. Did anyone else?

Thanks.
Richard

> Richard,
> 
>> I posted a question regarding this almost two weeks ago, but haven't
>> received a response from the Rev folks. It's a matter that needs to be
>> addressed. What IS the story with the distribution engine for Windows?
> 
> You can find the latest 1.1.1 at RunRev's site in the download section.
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From michael at GreppyDreppies.com  Thu Apr  4 07:43:01 2002
From: michael at GreppyDreppies.com (Michael D Mays)
Date: Thu Apr  4 07:43:01 2002
Subject: Trailing Zero Suppression
In-Reply-To: <B8D149C2.671%harrison@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <B8D1A623.5395B%michael@GreppyDreppies.com>

Use the numberFormat property.
 set the numberFormat to ".########"
will show 8 digits to the right of the decimal unless they are a trailing
zero.

Note that you have to perform a mathematical operation on the number before
displaying it.

 set the numberFormat to ".#######"
 put "1.23000000"

would display 1.23000000 in the message box.

 set the numberFormat to ".#######"
 put "1.23000000"+0

would display 1.23

michael


Richard Harrison of harrison at all-auctions.com wrote the following on 4/3/02
11:07 PM

> Hi there,
> 
> Does anyone have a good trailing zero suppression
> routine for eliminating trailing zeroes from decimal numbers?



From steve at messimercomputing.com  Thu Apr  4 09:13:01 2002
From: steve at messimercomputing.com (Steve Messimer)
Date: Thu Apr  4 09:13:01 2002
Subject: rev conference
In-Reply-To: <200204040510.AAA11192@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <F601C33F-47D5-11D6-84F5-000A27D75508@messimercomputing.com>

Hi,

Has anyone given any thought to putting together a run rev conference? I 
for one would be willing to attend this type of event. I'll bet we could 
learn a lot from each other.

Anybody interested in trying to get this organized? Having it run just 
before or just after a MacWorld might make it possible for folks to fit 
in their schedules and budgets.

Steve

Stephen R. Messimer, PA
Messimer Computing Inc.
www.messimercomputing.com



From harrison at all-auctions.com  Thu Apr  4 09:49:01 2002
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Richard Harrison)
Date: Thu Apr  4 09:49:01 2002
Subject: Trailing Zero Suppression
In-Reply-To: <B8D1A623.5395B%michael@GreppyDreppies.com>
Message-ID: <B8D1D1D3.67F%harrison@all-auctions.com>

on 4/4/2002 7:41 AM, Michael D  Mays at michael at greppydreppies.com wrote:

> Use the numberFormat property.
>...
> 
> set the numberFormat to ".#######"
> put "1.23000000"+0
> 
> would display 1.23
> 
> michael
> 

Michael,

Thanks, I'll give that a try.

The Revolution documentation certainly wasn't very clear
about this.

Thanks again,

Rick Harrison




From rcozens at pon.net  Thu Apr  4 09:54:01 2002
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Thu Apr  4 09:54:01 2002
Subject: MOD function does not work!  So be warned!
In-Reply-To: <972117AE-4753-11D6-8834-000393598038@mac.com>
References: <972117AE-4753-11D6-8834-000393598038@mac.com>
Message-ID: <a05100300b8d14caac58e@[216.229.107.113]>

>The someone else was me, and since another writer made a similar 
>point about my comment I should clarify that I did not make it in 
>relation to Rev (and hence the documentation makes no such 
>statement) but to the MOD function as it was initially implemented 
>(so far as I know) in the languages of 25+ or even 35+ years ago. I 
>was talking about distant antecedents rather than current usage.

David, et al:

FWIW, I just looked through my old programming manuals and found all 
three versions of Pascal (UCSD, Turbo, & Think) define mod as an 
integer operation.  The Turbo Pascal manual specifically identities 
real arguments to mod as an error.

-- 

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)


From harrison at all-auctions.com  Thu Apr  4 09:56:01 2002
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Richard Harrison)
Date: Thu Apr  4 09:56:01 2002
Subject: Trailing Zero Suppression
In-Reply-To: <BBEIJJIICJJBOLMBODHCGEKBCIAA.chipp@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <B8D1D368.680%harrison@all-auctions.com>

on 4/4/2002 4:03 AM, Chipp Walters at chipp at chipp.com wrote:

> Rick,
> 
> Try this (or someting like it)
> 
> on mouseUp
> put killTrail(5123.54001000)
> end mouseUp
> 
> function killTrail val
> if val contains "." then
> if last char of val is in "123456789." then
> return val
> else
> delete last char of val
> return killTrail(val)
> end if
> else
> return "no decimal number here"
> end if
> end killTrail

Chipp,

Thanks for the info.

I'm thinking that Michael Mays following solution
might be a little better.

> set the numberFormat to ".#######"
> put "1.23000000"+0
> 
> would display 1.23
> 
> michael

Thanks anyway, I appreciate the effort!

Rick Harrison



From rcozens at pon.net  Thu Apr  4 10:09:00 2002
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Thu Apr  4 10:09:00 2002
Subject: MOD function does not work!  So be warned!
In-Reply-To: <B8D0FFF8.5338E%michael@GreppyDreppies.com>
References: <B8D0FFF8.5338E%michael@GreppyDreppies.com>
Message-ID: <a05100300b8d21a5fe25e@[216.229.107.179]>

>MOD is working. = is working.

Michael,

MOD is NOT working: anyNumber mod 5 CANNOT = 5.

-- 

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)


From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Thu Apr  4 10:30:01 2002
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Thu Apr  4 10:30:01 2002
Subject: Revolution.out window when disconnect from database
In-Reply-To: <A13C32D6BC38D311BBD5009027869993567CEC@EXCHIN1>
Message-ID: <B8D22F99.22814%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

on 3/4/02 11:18 PM, KEITH SPIELDENNER at kspieldenner at lifetouch.com wrote:

> First, even after passing the user and password through the revdb_connect()
> command, I am presented with a dialog asking for user and password. No entry
> is needed, just hit OK or Cancel and the dialog disappears. The connection
> is complete. I take this to be some ODBC quirk, but I only get this problem
> on the Mac, not on a PC.

I believe that this is a problem in the Merant ODBC driver - but I haven't
tried to prove it by using some app other than Revolution.


> Second, when disconnecting from the database using
> revdb_disconnect(myConnectionID), a window titled "Revolution.out" appears
> to confirm the disconnect.

This was a bug introduced in 1.1.1 beta 2 (rc1) - I reported it a week or
two ago.  I think it means the revdb code was built with a debug flag on, so
there's no reason to think it won't be fixed when 1.1.1 goes golden.  (BTW,
sadly it does apply to any standalones you build from 1.1.1b2 - if you're
using revdb, but don't need the new features added *to revdb* in that
version, I recommend developing in 1.1.1b2, but using 1.1.1b1 to build
standalones.
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866




From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Thu Apr  4 10:36:00 2002
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Thu Apr  4 10:36:00 2002
Subject: Rev 1.1.1 Release
In-Reply-To: <B8D0A1CA.219%cyberscope@dca.net>
References: <B8D0A1CA.219%cyberscope@dca.net>
Message-ID: <a05100300b8d22294a8d6@[188.9.94.76]>

At 12:10 PM -0600 4/3/02, Gene Kennedy wrote:
>I just downloaded the release version of Rev 1.1.1 for Mac Classic and
>started up.  Everything went as expected until I attempted to build a
>distribution for Windows.  With the "auto-downnload any required software"
>button checked, the application proceeded to download the windows engine
>(674K).  Everything seemed to go OK right up to the end of the download then
>I got a "Engine Download: error" message.  I tried this several times with
>the exact same results.  Is anyone else experiencing the same thing?

I know this doesn't help much, but I just did a build that included the Mac OS Fat engine and the Windows engine with 1.1.1, and it dutifully went out, got the engine, and did the build. Is it possible there was just something going on with your internet connection that day?
-- 

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com


From cyberscope at dca.net  Thu Apr  4 10:48:01 2002
From: cyberscope at dca.net (Gene Kennedy)
Date: Thu Apr  4 10:48:01 2002
Subject: Rev 1.1.1 Release
In-Reply-To: <p05101500b8d1b45beac5@[192.168.123.3]>
Message-ID: <B8D1DFB7.248%cyberscope@dca.net>

> I just followed the same procedure and it works here (running on OS
> 9.2.2). Do you get the same problem with the other engines, or just
> for the Windows engine?


Dave,
 I just tried to download the Windows engine again; unsuccessfully! (running
OS 9.2.1 on a 600 MHz iBook)  I have only tried this with the Windows engine
since it does not come through with the Mac Cloassic 1.1.1 download and I
have nothing going on the Unix side.

Gene Kennedy



From JAMES.G.YATES at saic.com  Thu Apr  4 10:58:01 2002
From: JAMES.G.YATES at saic.com (Yates, Glen)
Date: Thu Apr  4 10:58:01 2002
Subject: MOD function does not work!  So be warned!
Message-ID: <33F0B58BF432D211B72200805FEFAAD905A5D1@hun-its-exs01.saic.com>

Rob,

I believe the bottom line is that MOD works for integers, if you want to
perform mod on floating point numbers you'll have to write your own routine.

Here's some psuedo code off the top of my head for (x mod y = z) where x, y,
and z are floats:

	put x / y into z
	put trunc(z) into zWhole
	put z - zWhole into z
	put z * y into z

The value in z should now be x mod y.

Note, I haven't tested this, and I dont know how it will work with negative
numbers (as I just now thought of considering them), but this should at
least be a starting point for someone to write a real function to do it. I'd
do it myself, but I've never had a need to do mod with non-integers.

-Glen Yates

> >MOD is working. = is working.
> 
> Michael,
> 
> MOD is NOT working: anyNumber mod 5 CANNOT = 5.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Rob Cozens


From rcozens at pon.net  Thu Apr  4 11:02:01 2002
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Thu Apr  4 11:02:01 2002
Subject: MOD function does not work!  So be warned!
In-Reply-To: <B8D0FFF8.5338E%michael@GreppyDreppies.com>
References: <B8D0FFF8.5338E%michael@GreppyDreppies.com>
Message-ID: <a05100300b8d21f981c93@[216.229.107.179]>

>MOD is strictly a binary comparison.

Michael, et al:

This gets back to the other issue: can anyone give me an example of 
non-Xtalk implementation of the mod operator that is not limited to 
integer/longint values?  Does anyone know if the Xtalk list has 
decreed that mod should not be limited to integers, and if so, why? 
Does SuperCard allow decimal arguments? Is it Scott's intention that 
mod be used on decimal values?

Or is the real issue here the failure of HyperTalk, MC, & RR 
documentation writers to add a line indicating only non-decimal 
arguments are legal?  The HC documentation just says "numbers", 
implying one could legally script something like "999.999 mod 
333.333".

OOPS! I just looked more closely at the MC User Guide description of mod:
   "number remainder after a div".  Now I look up one line and find 
"div   # integer divide (no fractional part)".  That's the best 
evidence I can find so far that mod was not meant to be used with 
fractional values; but I'll admit the language is vague enough that 
someone else might construe a different meaning.

If, as in all implementations I recall using, the mod operation is 
limited to whole numbers, it can be derived with integer math:

function myMod zaValue,zaBase
   return(zaValue-((zaValue div zaBase)*zaBase)))
end myMod

Regarding my last post on this subject, it occurred to me that if one 
missed Ian's original post, my reference to anyNumber mod 5 cannot = 
5 might be lost because it doesn't relate to the handler in my 
message.  I am referring to the results of Ian's original handler:

>on mouseup
>   put 235 into startPoint
>   put 255 into endPoint
>   put 0.1 into increment
>   put empty into msg
>   put startPoint into loop
>   repeat while loop<=endPoint
>     put loop && loop mod 5 & return after msg
>     add increment to loop
>   end repeat
>end mouseup
>
>It will output to the message box a list of numbers.  The loop counter is on
>each line followed by a space and the loop mod 5.
>
>Here's my output:
>
>235 0   <<<<---- correct
>235.1 0.1
>235.2 0.2
>235.3 0.3
><<SNIP>>
>240 5   <<<<---- wrong and impossible

Pick up on the "impossible", Michael: the mod operator blew it.
-- 

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)


From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Thu Apr  4 11:05:02 2002
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Thu Apr  4 11:05:02 2002
Subject: Rev 1.1.1 Release
In-Reply-To: <B8D1A6DF.2A615%wow@together.net>
References: <B8D1A6DF.2A615%wow@together.net>
Message-ID: <a05100301b8d2292e3603@[206.117.139.34]>

At 6:44 AM -0500 4/4/02, Richard D. Miller wrote:
>I don't think you guys are really paying careful attention to this matter,
>though I could be wrong. Yes...the newest release installs fine on Windows.
>And yes, you can develop applications fine in Windows with the new release.
>The issue is in the DISTRIBUTION area...when you're building an app for
>distribution to others. Take a look in the Components folder and then the
>Engines folder. I believe you will see that the Windows engine is exactly
>the same one as in the previous build. I couldn't find a more recent
>release. Did anyone else?

The engines and the development environment can be updated entirely separately. I don't know when the last _engine_ update was, but depending on what you mean by "previous build," it's entirely possible that it should be the same engine.
-- 

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com


From mdmays at airmail.net  Thu Apr  4 11:09:00 2002
From: mdmays at airmail.net (Michael D Mays)
Date: Thu Apr  4 11:09:00 2002
Subject: MOD function does not work!  So be warned!
In-Reply-To: <a05100300b8d21a5fe25e@[216.229.107.179]>
Message-ID: <B8D1D52C.53B0D%mdmays@airmail.net>

It's not 5 Rob its 4.9999999... .

It only looks like 5 because the default numberFormat rounds it to 5. If you
set the numberFormat to a high enough precision you will see that the number
which is else rounded to the default numberFormat and displayed in the
message box is not 5.

anyIntegerNumber MOD 5 is never 5.

certainRealNumbers MOD 5 can look like 5 when rounded.

The default numberFormat wraps the MOD function with a round function which
rounds 4.9999999... to 5.

michael

Rob Cozens of rcozens at pon.net wrote the following on 4/4/02 9:08 AM

>> MOD is working. = is working.
> 
> Michael,
> 
> MOD is NOT working: anyNumber mod 5 CANNOT = 5.



From rcozens at pon.net  Thu Apr  4 11:13:01 2002
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Thu Apr  4 11:13:01 2002
Subject: MOD function does not work!  So be warned!
In-Reply-To:  <33F0B58BF432D211B72200805FEFAAD905A5D1@hun-its-exs01.saic.com>
References: <33F0B58BF432D211B72200805FEFAAD905A5D1@hun-its-exs01.saic.com>
Message-ID: <a05100302b8d229d784cf@[216.229.107.130]>

>I'd
>do it myself, but I've never had a need to do mod with non-integers.

Nor have I, Glen.

In fact, my recollection is no programming language I've used except 
Xtalk dialects even allowed decimal values to be passed to mod.

The thread was initiated by Ian Summerfield.  I included his handler 
in a subsequent post on this thread.

FYI, per the Transcript dictionary, beginning with v1.1 the mod 
operator can be applied to arrays.
-- 

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)


From rcozens at pon.net  Thu Apr  4 11:30:01 2002
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Thu Apr  4 11:30:01 2002
Subject: MOD function does not work!  So be warned!
In-Reply-To: <B8D1D52C.53B0D%mdmays@airmail.net>
References: <B8D1D52C.53B0D%mdmays@airmail.net>
Message-ID: <a05100304b8d22f0cbe1c@[216.229.107.130]>

>It's not 5 Rob its 4.9999999.

Michael, et al:

OK, I'll accept that...and add "numbskull of the day" to my title of 
resident foole.
-- 

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)


From mail at richard-hillen.de  Thu Apr  4 11:36:01 2002
From: mail at richard-hillen.de (Richard Hillen)
Date: Thu Apr  4 11:36:01 2002
Subject: Digests, anyone?
References: <200204011702.MAA05448@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3CAC7FC1.1F7C13EC@richard-hillen.de>

Hallo Geoff,

first look at

http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/

Richard.

Geoff wrote:
 
> 
> I'm hoping to assemble a complete archive of the list. I seem to recall that someone has been saving all the archive files. I can make an FTP server available, or just take them through email, whichever is easier. Specifically I'm looking for digests 1 - 178
> 
> thanks!
> --
> 
> regards,
> 
> Geoff Canyon


From bvlahos at jpl.nasa.gov  Thu Apr  4 11:54:01 2002
From: bvlahos at jpl.nasa.gov (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Thu Apr  4 11:54:01 2002
Subject: RR now charging royalities for runtimes?
In-Reply-To: <MPELJJGBBDPBNCHJHAOOCEBMCGAA.chipp@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <6C7E1DC8-47EC-11D6-9488-000393853DBC@jpl.nasa.gov>

I encourage everyone to provide feedback to the Revolution folks on this 
problematic new fee. I believe that Kevin is the appropriate person to 
send email to.

Bill Vlahos

On Wednesday, April 3, 2002, at 02:44 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> Does anyone know anything about this? They call it an "Installation 
> License." I'd sure like to know more...
> ?
> http://www.runrev.com/revolution/licensesfaq.html
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From bvlahos at jpl.nasa.gov  Thu Apr  4 11:59:01 2002
From: bvlahos at jpl.nasa.gov (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Thu Apr  4 11:59:01 2002
Subject: rev conference
In-Reply-To: <F601C33F-47D5-11D6-84F5-000A27D75508@messimercomputing.com>
Message-ID: <069BD540-47ED-11D6-9488-000393853DBC@jpl.nasa.gov>

Great idea. I'm in.

Bill Vlahos

On Thursday, April 4, 2002, at 06:12 AM, Steve Messimer wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> Has anyone given any thought to putting together a run rev conference? 
> I for one would be willing to attend this type of event. I'll bet we 
> could learn a lot from each other.
>
> Anybody interested in trying to get this organized? Having it run just 
> before or just after a MacWorld might make it possible for folks to fit 
> in their schedules and budgets.
>
> Steve
>
> Stephen R. Messimer, PA
> Messimer Computing Inc.
> www.messimercomputing.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From cyberscope at dca.net  Thu Apr  4 12:33:00 2002
From: cyberscope at dca.net (Gene Kennedy)
Date: Thu Apr  4 12:33:00 2002
Subject: Rev 1.1.1 Release
In-Reply-To: <a05100301b8d2292e3603@[206.117.139.34]>
Message-ID: <B8D1F84C.255%cyberscope@dca.net>

Sorry I created such a commotion here.  For some reason I get an error when
trying to download the Windows engine when using then latest release of Rev
1.1.1 on my iBook to build an application for distribution on Windoze
platforms.  Alternatively, I went to RunRev's ftp site and downloaded the
Windows.gz (674K) file from there.

Gene Kennedy



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Thu Apr  4 12:57:01 2002
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Thu Apr  4 12:57:01 2002
Subject: RR now charging royalities for runtimes?
In-Reply-To: <MPELJJGBBDPBNCHJHAOOCEBMCGAA.chipp@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <B8D251A9.2282D%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

on 3/4/02 11:44 PM, Chipp Walters at chipp at chipp.com wrote:

> Does anyone know anything about this? They call it an "Installation
> License." I'd sure like to know more...
> 
> http://www.runrev.com/revolution/licensesfaq.html
> 

This is news to me. I'm certainly looking forward to RunRev's comments and
explanation.

I would also be 'interested' to know from what date they intend to apply it.
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866




From devin_asay at byu.edu  Thu Apr  4 13:02:01 2002
From: devin_asay at byu.edu (Devin Asay)
Date: Thu Apr  4 13:02:01 2002
Subject: rev conference
Message-ID: <p05101514b8d244f02cff@[128.187.82.150]>

Excuse the cross-posting, but I thought this would interest both lists:

At 10:31 AM -0500 4/4/02, Steve Messimer <steve at messimercomputing.com> wrote:

>Has anyone given any thought to putting together a run rev conference? I
>for one would be willing to attend this type of event. I'll bet we could
>learn a lot from each other.
>
>Anybody interested in trying to get this organized? Having it run just
>before or just after a MacWorld might make it possible for folks to fit
>in their schedules and budgets.

At one time Kevin was talking about doing such a workshop at Macworld 
NY in July. They seem to still be undecided. I for one would jump at 
the chance and have been encouraging him to do it. I'm sure a strong 
show of support for this idea would give it some impetus.

Rather than inundate Kevin with (even more) email, let's try this: If 
you're interested in Rev workshops by the Rev people at Macworld, 
drop me a note to that effect (devin_asay at byu.edu). I'll compile the 
responses and send Kevin a list of those interested. To get an idea 
of your level of interest, tick one of the items below:

( ) I will definitely come to a Revolution workshop at Macworld NY.

( ) I would consider coming to a Revolution workshop at Macworld NY.

( ) Other:

Thanks. I think this could be a great thing for the Rev community if 
it comes off.

Devin
-- 
Devin Asay
Humanities Research Center
Brigham Young University


From cyberscope at dca.net  Thu Apr  4 13:10:01 2002
From: cyberscope at dca.net (Gene Kennedy)
Date: Thu Apr  4 13:10:01 2002
Subject: AppleScript help
In-Reply-To: <B8D1DD32.63B0%iansummerfield@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <B8D20129.257%cyberscope@dca.net>

on 4/4/02 3:36 AM, Ian Summerfield at iansummerfield at btconnect.com wrote:

> I can't get my OS X system to shut down the power to the Mac:
> 
> Do "tell app " & quote & "Finder" & quote & " to shut down" as applescript
> 
> It doesn't work, revolution itself cancels the shut down because it's too
> busy waiting for a result from AppleScript to do the quit!  Can I fire off
> AppleScripts without waiting for the response?
> 
> Has anyone a better way to power off?  I get a message from my UPS that I
> have only ten minutes battery left and I want to cleanly shut down the
> system.


Ian,

What I have done to solve a similar problem is to write an AppleScript
application that contains the following two statements:

    Delay 5   -- this gives your Rev application time to quit.
    Tell application "Finder" to shutdown

Place the AS application in the same folder as your Rev application and name
it something appropriate such as "Quitter".

Then add an exit routine to your Rev application such as:

On ExitApp
    launch "Quitter"
    Quit
end ExitApp


This works well enough for me however, if you wanted a bit more
sophisitaction, you could replace the dumb delay statement in AS with a
procedure that checks the open processes and loops until your Rev app is no
longer among them.

Best regards,

Gene Kennedy



From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Apr  4 13:16:00 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu Apr  4 13:16:00 2002
Subject: Tentative Guidelines for Numbers
In-Reply-To: <87697B0C-45B6-11D6-B120-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <298BA49E-47F7-11D6-8706-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Monday, April 1, 2002, at 02:22 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

> 3.
> Equality for numbers is tolerant of small differences.
>
> Use = for numbers in 2 above only after a couple calculations.  
> Accumulated errors may go outside of what = will consider equal.
>
> Use < or < before <= or >=.  Use any before =.  (Actually, I'm 
> guessing about <= or >=.  Some tests need to be run to see if they 
> have the same tolerance as =.)
>

Michael Mays described this as a characteristic of PPC numerics.  
On my OS X on my Blue & White G3 I found = to be tolerant up to 
plus or minus 9 times the weight of the LSB.  Clearly, somebody had 
decimal in mind.  The lack of transitivity could be a problem in 
some cases, but the use of = for numbers described in #2 (see 
original email, 4/1) should be avoided in the case of a chain of 
calculations, anyway.

I also noticed that =, > and < seem to be distinct.  A number has 
to be greater by 9 counts to be considered greater.

So, I amend my suggestion for #3:
**************
3.
Equality for numbers may tolerant of very small differences on some 
computers.  Nevertheless, even in this case, if a number is > or < 
a number, it is not = to the number.

Equality might work after a couple calculations on some computers 
and fail on others.  For general scripting, continue to avoid =, if 
possible.  This does not apply to whole numbers in #1; this applies 
to only large numbers or numbers with general fractional parts as 
described in #2.
***************

Optionally, #3 could be dropped and the "15 digits" in #1 changed 
to "14 digits".  This can simplify the guideline.

I would also add this paragraph to #2:
***************
Functions that have a distinct step in value, such as round(), 
trunc() and mod should be used with care when used with these 
numbers.  Normally, one does not care about the exact point of 
rounding with round(), but the step point can be crucial with 
trunc() or mod.
***************

Dar Scott



From kevin at runrev.com  Thu Apr  4 13:21:01 2002
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Thu Apr  4 13:21:01 2002
Subject: RR now charging less for many users (was Re: RR now charging
	royalties)
In-Reply-To: <B8D251A9.2282D%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <B8D257DA.50EE%kevin@runrev.com>

On 4/4/02 5:55 pm, Ben Rubinstein <benr_mc at cogapp.com> wrote:

>> Does anyone know anything about this? They call it an "Installation
>> License." I'd sure like to know more...
>> 
>> http://www.runrev.com/revolution/licensesfaq.html
>> 
> 
> This is news to me. I'm certainly looking forward to RunRev's comments and
> explanation.
> 
> I would also be 'interested' to know from what date they intend to apply it.

This isn't a royalty.  We've just reworked that page with clearer wording
and price table for common usage, please have another look at it.  If you or
anyone else is still concerned then please come back to me off list.  BTW
1.1.1 has not yet been officially announced - that will happen shortly.

Kevin

Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - Power to the Developer!
Tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165.  Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707.



From wow at together.net  Thu Apr  4 13:28:01 2002
From: wow at together.net (Richard D. Miller)
Date: Thu Apr  4 13:28:01 2002
Subject: Rev 1.1.1 Release
In-Reply-To: <a05100301b8d2292e3603@[206.117.139.34]>
Message-ID: <B8D204E0.2A682%wow@together.net>

Geoff:

The Windows engine included in the new Components folder (with the latest
download) appears to be the same engine as was available with the previous
release of Rev...meaning, it does NOT include any of the fixes available
through the new release. This is NOT the case with the Mac engines, which
look to be new. For those of us that have actual products in the
marketplace, it's important to be shipping the latest engines, as the engine
is totally separate from the development environment (which has clearly been
updated for Windows).

Could someone from Rev comment on this?

Thanks.
Richard Miller

> At 6:44 AM -0500 4/4/02, Richard D. Miller wrote:
>> I don't think you guys are really paying careful attention to this matter,
>> though I could be wrong. Yes...the newest release installs fine on Windows.
>> And yes, you can develop applications fine in Windows with the new release.
>> The issue is in the DISTRIBUTION area...when you're building an app for
>> distribution to others. Take a look in the Components folder and then the
>> Engines folder. I believe you will see that the Windows engine is exactly
>> the same one as in the previous build. I couldn't find a more recent
>> release. Did anyone else?
> 
> The engines and the development environment can be updated entirely
> separately. I don't know when the last _engine_ update was, but depending on
> what you mean by "previous build," it's entirely possible that it should be
> the same engine.



From shaosean at unitz.ca  Thu Apr  4 13:31:01 2002
From: shaosean at unitz.ca (Shao Sean)
Date: Thu Apr  4 13:31:01 2002
Subject: RR now charging less for many users (was Re: RR now chargingroyalties)
References: <B8D257DA.50EE%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <005601c1dc06$17dd5420$88b15bd1@lanfear>

so as a freeware writer if i write something and release it.. someone
happens to download it (yeah right ;-) and then they in turn install it on
20machines in their business i have to pay you guys money because of that?!



From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Apr  4 14:31:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu Apr  4 14:31:01 2002
Subject: Can't open downloaded stack on OS X
Message-ID: <B26BBC4C-4801-11D6-8706-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

I downloaded a stack from the Internet (Altuit's cool XMLtree.rev), 
but I can't open it with Revolution.  It is dimmed in the open 
window.

I had in the past downloaded Galactic Conquest (stuffed?, I don't 
remember) and simplechat (zipped).  I was able to open those stacks 
after uncompression, but I don't remember what I did.  I would have 
thought the zipped stack would have the same problem as an 
uncompressed stack.

What am I doing wrong?

Dar Scott



From shaosean at unitz.ca  Thu Apr  4 14:37:01 2002
From: shaosean at unitz.ca (Shao Sean)
Date: Thu Apr  4 14:37:01 2002
Subject: Can't open downloaded stack on OS X
References: <B26BBC4C-4801-11D6-8706-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <006401c1dc0f$4b24af00$88b15bd1@lanfear>

perhaps the uncompressed stack was transferred as ASCII instead of binary?



From JAMES.G.YATES at saic.com  Thu Apr  4 15:25:00 2002
From: JAMES.G.YATES at saic.com (Yates, Glen)
Date: Thu Apr  4 15:25:00 2002
Subject: RR now charging less for many users (was Re: RR now chargingroyalties)
Message-ID: <33F0B58BF432D211B72200805FEFAAD905A5D2@hun-its-exs01.saic.com>

Looks like their License still needs clarification, because as I interpret
it, in the example listed below, you would not have to pay Revolution.

According to the license, "If you are installing software created with
Revolution on more than ten machines in a single commercial organization you
need an installation license." This says to me that the person responsible
for installing the software on more than 10 machines needs to purchase the
'installation license', i.e. the person that downloaded it and is
distributing it in their business not the shareware developer who may have
no knowledge of who has their software or how many copies exist.

This license opens up a can of worms, and can never be enforced as currently
written.

Oh well, just one more reason I'll stick with Metacard, I'd rather crash
once or twice a week instead of once or twice an hour anyway.

-Glen Yates


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shao Sean [mailto:shaosean at unitz.ca]
> 
> so as a freeware writer if i write something and release it.. someone
> happens to download it (yeah right ;-) and then they in turn 
> install it on
> 20machines in their business i have to pay you guys money 
> because of that?!


From shaosean at unitz.ca  Thu Apr  4 15:37:01 2002
From: shaosean at unitz.ca (Shao Sean)
Date: Thu Apr  4 15:37:01 2002
Subject: RR now charging less for many users (was Re: RR now chargingroyalties)
References: <33F0B58BF432D211B72200805FEFAAD905A5D2@hun-its-exs01.saic.com>
Message-ID: <006e01c1dc17$afc47190$88b15bd1@lanfear>

> Oh well, just one more reason I'll stick with Metacard, I'd rather crash
> once or twice a week instead of once or twice an hour anyway.

hehe.. i just use Rev mostly for building GUI's (some stuff is just easier
to do in it), but i do my coding in NotePad ;-)  with the occassional
swapping back into Rev and/or MC to test code or to look up a transcript
reference



From zelston at aol.com  Thu Apr  4 16:52:01 2002
From: zelston at aol.com (Zac Elston)
Date: Thu Apr  4 16:52:01 2002
Subject: Naming a card
In-Reply-To: <HNEFLBGCPKCOFDJDMMKMEEEMCAAA.zelston@aol.com>
Message-ID: <HNEFLBGCPKCOFDJDMMKMCEFFCAAA.zelston@aol.com>

after trying to rename the cards several times and working through the debug
window I can see cards 1-31 are named...but that's it...not 32-on. which
shows me it might have worked .the script seems to be hanging on the "set
the name of card part".  but it doesn't actually error.  I see really large
values in the debug time window though for that line though.  anyone have an
idea?  it looks simple enough

make 100 cards and try it

put the cardnames of this stack into MyCards
put 1 into MyX
repeat for each line MyLine in MyCards
  set the name of card MyLine to "Page" & MyX
put MyX +1 into MyX
end repeat


thanks
Written by: Zac Elston



From prodevm at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  4 17:27:01 2002
From: prodevm at yahoo.com (Steve L)
Date: Thu Apr  4 17:27:01 2002
Subject: Spreadsheet Style Display (.mc to .rev)? Can't open...
In-Reply-To: <v0313030cb8d18edda0a4@[216.99.192.214]>
Message-ID: <20020404222521.2189.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "Jeanne A. E. DeVoto" <jeanne at runrev.com> wrote:
> At 8:11 PM -0800 4/3/2002, Steve L wrote:
> >I have downloaded the file that was recommended
> here:
> >Jacque Landeman Gay's "Pseudotable", which is at
>
>http://www.hyperactivesw.com/downloads/pseudtbl.mc.hqx.
> >
> >However, this file is in .mc format, how could this
> be
> >used/converted to .rev format?
> 
> Revolution will open any MetaCard stack. Just use
> the Open Stack menu item
> to open the file.
> 
> --
> Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com

I cannot get either stack to open (pseudtbl.mc or the
modified version from their site.  It comes up as
error: illegal operation.  

I even redownloaded both stacks to make sure they
weren't corrupted during downloading.

However, I can open all other stacks without a
problem.  Does anyone know why I can't open either of
these stacks in Rev.

Thanks 

Steve

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From scott at tactilemedia.com  Thu Apr  4 17:31:01 2002
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Thu Apr  4 17:31:01 2002
Subject: Naming a card
In-Reply-To: <HNEFLBGCPKCOFDJDMMKMCEFFCAAA.zelston@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8343970C-481B-11D6-9A20-0003934902A2@tactilemedia.com>

> after trying to rename the cards several times and working through the 
> debug
> window I can see cards 1-31 are named...but that's it...not 32-on. which
> shows me it might have worked .the script seems to be hanging on the 
> "set
> the name of card part".

> put the cardnames of this stack into MyCards
> put 1 into MyX
> repeat for each line MyLine in MyCards
>   set the name of card MyLine to "Page" & MyX
> put MyX +1 into MyX
> end repeat


Could this work instead?
(run in new stack; creates a set of 100 cards with numbered names)

on buildCards
    lock screen
    set the name of this card to "Page1"
    repeat with N = 2 to 100
       create cd
       set the name of this card to "Page" & N
    end repeat
end buildCards

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director, Tactile Media
scott at tactilemedia.com
http://www.tactilemedia.com



From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Apr  4 18:04:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu Apr  4 18:04:01 2002
Subject: Can't open downloaded stack on OS X
In-Reply-To: <B26BBC4C-4801-11D6-8706-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <785CC8ED-481F-11D6-8611-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Thursday, April 4, 2002, at 12:25 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

> I downloaded a stack from the Internet (Altuit's cool 
> XMLtree.rev), but I can't open it with Revolution.  It is dimmed 
> in the open window.

I've been able to open this, but it does seem strange.

OS X knows the stack is a Revolution Document.  It shows up with a 
Revolution Icon, anyway.  My _Mac OS X: The Complete Reference_ 
says the system will know the type by a creator code, a hint in the 
first 1K of the file, or by the suffix.  I'm not sure what a 
creator code means in the OS X context.

I think I was erroneously hesitant to open a stack other than by 
the dialog box after Jeanne's explaining that double-clicking a 
stack will open it in "run-time mode."  I have yet to explore what 
that means.

What worked was dragging the stack onto dock icon of a running 
Revolution.  I didn't try double clicking or dragging it to the 
dock icon of a Revolution not running.

The answer file description does not address OS X.

Perhaps the stack is one derived from an older version.

Dar Scott



From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Thu Apr  4 18:14:01 2002
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Thu Apr  4 18:14:01 2002
Subject: Naming a card
In-Reply-To: <HNEFLBGCPKCOFDJDMMKMCEFFCAAA.zelston@aol.com>
References: <HNEFLBGCPKCOFDJDMMKMCEFFCAAA.zelston@aol.com>
Message-ID: <p05101504b8d28ccaa79a@[192.168.123.3]>

At 4:49 pm -0500 4/4/02, Zac Elston wrote:
>after trying to rename the cards several times and working through the debug
>window I can see cards 1-31 are named...but that's it...not 32-on. which
>shows me it might have worked .the script seems to be hanging on the "set
>the name of card part".  but it doesn't actually error.  I see really large
>values in the debug time window though for that line though.  anyone have an
>idea?  it looks simple enough
>
>make 100 cards and try it
>
>put the cardnames of this stack into MyCards
>put 1 into MyX
>repeat for each line MyLine in MyCards
>   set the name of card MyLine to "Page" & MyX
>put MyX +1 into MyX
>end repeat

Could it be that the cards after 32 don't have names? The cardnames 
returns the id of the card if it doesn't have a name, for example 
"card id 1004".

Use the number of the cards instead:

put the number of cards of this stack into tNumCards
  repeat with i = 1 to tNumCards
    set the name of card i to "Page" & i
  end repeat

Cheers
Dave Cragg


From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Apr  4 18:37:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu Apr  4 18:37:01 2002
Subject: An easier way to edit scripts?
Message-ID: <F72961C9-4823-11D6-8611-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

I'm still new to Revolution.  Editing scripts is painfully slow 
because I don't remember the name of a command or function, much 
less its syntax.  Trying to guess at the name by repeatedly typing 
ideas into the Transcript dictionary is slow.

Does the script editor provide any help for the forgetful like me?

Dar Scott



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Apr  4 18:37:07 2002
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu Apr  4 18:37:07 2002
Subject: Spreadsheet Style Display (.mc to .rev)? Can't open...
References: <200204042305.SAA10794@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3CACE363.64D1E93E@hyperactivesw.com>

Steve L <prodevm at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> I cannot get either stack to open (pseudtbl.mc or the
> modified version from their site.  It comes up as
> error: illegal operation.
> 
> I even redownloaded both stacks to make sure they
> weren't corrupted during downloading.
> 
> However, I can open all other stacks without a
> problem.  Does anyone know why I can't open either of
> these stacks in Rev.

I just downloaded pseudotable.mc.hqx to see if there was a problem, and
it came over fine for me. It won't drop onto Rev's icon, but it opened
fine using the File->Open menu.

The file is binhexed, so make sure it is fully expanded before trying to
open it.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From prodevm at yahoo.com  Thu Apr  4 19:07:01 2002
From: prodevm at yahoo.com (Steve L)
Date: Thu Apr  4 19:07:01 2002
Subject: Spreadsheet Style Display (.mc to .rev)? Can't open...
In-Reply-To: <3CACE363.64D1E93E@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <20020405000601.72612.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:
> Steve L <prodevm at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> > I cannot get either stack to open (pseudtbl.mc or
> the
> > modified version from their site.  It comes up as
> > error: illegal operation.
> > 
> > I even redownloaded both stacks to make sure they
> > weren't corrupted during downloading.
> > 
> > However, I can open all other stacks without a
> > problem.  Does anyone know why I can't open either
> of
> > these stacks in Rev.
> 
> I just downloaded pseudotable.mc.hqx to see if there
> was a problem, and
> it came over fine for me. It won't drop onto Rev's
> icon, but it opened
> fine using the File->Open menu.
> 
> The file is binhexed, so make sure it is fully
> expanded before trying to
> open it.
> 
> -- 
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |    

Hi Jacqueline,

I am downloadinf the stack files, just as I would any
other download, I am not compressing the file (that I
know of); is there anything special I need to be
doing?

I tried several times, it keeps saying: trying to
perform an illegal operation and closes Rev.  Like I
said, it opens all other stacks without a problem.

Thanks

Steve



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From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Thu Apr  4 20:50:01 2002
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu Apr  4 20:50:01 2002
Subject: Database-type data but without a server?
In-Reply-To: <S.0000550245@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <3FE55A4A-4837-11D6-9E58-00306566C7B4@genesearch.com.au>

On Thursday, April 4, 2002, at 04:22  pm, Barry Levine wrote:

> I'm making an educational "math game" that will have a series of 
> multiple choice questions. <snip>

Rev makes reading & writing text files very fast and very easy so this 
approach sounds reasonable to me. What about having a text file with a 
single line for each question & it's answers, separated by some 
delimiter (I've used commas in my example but if they are ever likely to 
appear in the data, you'll need to choose something else).
e.g.
	4 x 2,6,8,10,3
	10 / 2,3,5,7,9 etc etc

Read the file in all in one go and store it in a hidden field or custom 
property. Then as the student answers, store their result in another 
hidden field ready for collating, saving & printing when they've 
finished. One of the neat things that Rev has over HyperCard is the 
ability to have a separate name & label for a button, meaning that you 
can have buttons called "answer 1", "answer 2" etc but set their labels 
to whatever the answer is for that particular question.

>
> A follow-on to the above question is how the "student test results" 
> data files can be processed in a report. Is there some kind of field 
> or, perhaps, a group of fields that would permit me to "pretty-print" a 
> report? I suppose simply processing all of the student test results 
> files using a script in Rev and then sending it out to a tab-delimited 
> file one could open in Excel is an acceptable solution. However, it 
> would be nice to keep everything happening within the Rev environment.
Use a tab-delimited field to layout your report - in the latest version 
of Rev (1.1.1b2), this will keep the formatting during printing and can 
be adjusted to make a very neat printout. While testing, have the 
vertical grid showing - this makes it easier to check.

I hope this is helpful.
Sarah



From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Fri Apr  5 02:25:00 2002
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Fri Apr  5 02:25:00 2002
Subject: TIP: Placing a group onto multiple cards
Message-ID: <a05100304b8d2ffa8386f@[206.117.139.34]>

Summary: using the Application Overview, you can place a group onto all the cards in a stack, or an arbitrary selection of the cards in a stack, with one command.


-- Open the Application Overview.
-- Click on the stack.
-- Click on the disclosure triangle at the upper right side of the Application Overview. This will expand the Application Overview to show Stack Details.

The first two tabs in Stack Details are for Cards in the Stack and Groups in the stack.

To place a group on all cards in the stack, click on the Groups tab. Click on the line for the group you want, and then on the button menu Place, select Place on All Cards.

If you want to place a group onto an arbitrary selection of cards in the stack, click on the Cards tab. Highlight the cards you want to add the group to (the shift and command key can be used in selecting cards in the list), and then select the group you want to add on the Place Group button menu.

You can also remove a group from an arbitrary selection of cards this way.
-- 

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com


From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Apr  5 02:59:01 2002
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri Apr  5 02:59:01 2002
Subject: Jeanne...revAppVersion doesn't work?
Message-ID: <BBEIJJIICJJBOLMBODHCMELECIAA.chipp@chipp.com>

put the revAppVersion throws an error. Is there anyway else to find out
which version you're running???

(Seems like an about box should do the trick?)

Also, I hate to be a crab about it...but the help files still have the
problem with apostrophe's on Windows. I know it's created for Macs, but
can't someone figure out how to automatically convert the apostrophe's for
windows? It kills all the links to help troubleshooter files.

something like...

set all the help stacks to macToISO(all the help stacks)

-Chipp



From jeanne at runrev.com  Fri Apr  5 03:40:01 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Fri Apr  5 03:40:01 2002
Subject: Jeanne...revAppVersion doesn't work?
In-Reply-To: <BBEIJJIICJJBOLMBODHCMELECIAA.chipp@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <v03130316b8d31119a8e8@[216.99.192.214]>

At 12:58 AM -0800 4/5/2002, Chipp Walters wrote:
>put the revAppVersion throws an error. Is there anyway else to find out
>which version you're running???

It's a library command, so it doesn't support the "the" syntax. Try
  put revAppVersion()
- that should work. (The About box does show the current version, although
it's kind of easy to miss - it's in the top left corner.)


>Also, I hate to be a crab about it...but the help files still have the
>problem with apostrophe's on Windows.

I'm not seeing this on Windows with 1.1.1 here - checked the See Also
lists, the Development Guide listing, the Troubleshooting listing, and a
few other random places. Can you be more specific about where you're seeing
apostrophe problems so I can reproduce them?

(And yes, there's conversion code in there, of course.)

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
http://www.runrev.com/
Runtime Revolution Limited - Power to the Developer!




From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Apr  5 03:54:00 2002
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri Apr  5 03:54:00 2002
Subject: Jeanne...revAppVersion doesn't work?
In-Reply-To: <v03130316b8d31119a8e8@[216.99.192.214]>
Message-ID: <BBEIJJIICJJBOLMBODHCIELFCIAA.chipp@chipp.com>

Thanks for the quick reply.
the revAppVersion() works well! The about box doens't show the B1,B2 etc..

hmmm. I'm using winXP - could that be the problem? I did use the script you
sent me (months ago) on the troubleshooter list and it fixed the problem,
but the pulldowns on the transcript dictionary are still messed up. I
checked it in 1.1.1 (I think it was the released version, but couldn't check
because of the revAppVersion problem) and am now working only in 1.1.1B1 as
it's the last stable version for htmltext stuff.

One other issue... I'm trying to copy a group from one stack to another with
the field and checkbox contents intact. I can do it manually fine, but when
I do a:

copy grp "test" to stack "fred" it misses some field contents. I've tried
different iterations like copy, go to cd, paste with still no expectable
results...any ideas?

thx,

Chipp

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Jeanne A. E.
> DeVoto
> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 2:39 AM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: Jeanne...revAppVersion doesn't work?
>
>
> At 12:58 AM -0800 4/5/2002, Chipp Walters wrote:
> >put the revAppVersion throws an error. Is there anyway else to find out
> >which version you're running???
>
> It's a library command, so it doesn't support the "the" syntax. Try
>   put revAppVersion()
> - that should work. (The About box does show the current version, although
> it's kind of easy to miss - it's in the top left corner.)
>
>
> >Also, I hate to be a crab about it...but the help files still have the
> >problem with apostrophe's on Windows.
>
> I'm not seeing this on Windows with 1.1.1 here - checked the See Also
> lists, the Development Guide listing, the Troubleshooting listing, and a
> few other random places. Can you be more specific about where
> you're seeing
> apostrophe problems so I can reproduce them?
>
> (And yes, there's conversion code in there, of course.)
>
> --
> Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
> http://www.runrev.com/
> Runtime Revolution Limited - Power to the Developer!
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Apr  5 04:48:01 2002
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri Apr  5 04:48:01 2002
Subject: Can't open downloaded stack on OS X
In-Reply-To: <785CC8ED-481F-11D6-8611-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <BBEIJJIICJJBOLMBODHCGELGCIAA.chipp@chipp.com>

Dar,

I authored XMLtree.rev on a PC. I've been told it works fine on a Mac, but
the creator wasn't set. Supposedly, there's some kind of 'mapping' utility
in the MacOS for linking files with no creator code with apps. Perhaps
someone else out there knows about this.

BTW, XMLtree.rev won't work right in 1.1.1. There's a bug in the htmltext
portion of the engine which is fixed in 1.2 beta (soon to be available I'm
told). I've been using 1.1.1b1 to develop in as I need the htmltext stuff to
work in XMLtree.

best,

Chipp

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Dar Scott
> Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 4:58 PM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: Can't open downloaded stack on OS X
>
>
>
> On Thursday, April 4, 2002, at 12:25 PM, Dar Scott wrote:
>
> > I downloaded a stack from the Internet (Altuit's cool
> > XMLtree.rev), but I can't open it with Revolution.  It is dimmed
> > in the open window.
>
> I've been able to open this, but it does seem strange.
>
> OS X knows the stack is a Revolution Document.  It shows up with a
> Revolution Icon, anyway.  My _Mac OS X: The Complete Reference_
> says the system will know the type by a creator code, a hint in the
> first 1K of the file, or by the suffix.  I'm not sure what a
> creator code means in the OS X context.
>
> I think I was erroneously hesitant to open a stack other than by
> the dialog box after Jeanne's explaining that double-clicking a
> stack will open it in "run-time mode."  I have yet to explore what
> that means.
>
> What worked was dragging the stack onto dock icon of a running
> Revolution.  I didn't try double clicking or dragging it to the
> dock icon of a Revolution not running.
>
> The answer file description does not address OS X.
>
> Perhaps the stack is one derived from an older version.
>
> Dar Scott
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Fri Apr  5 05:01:01 2002
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Fri Apr  5 05:01:01 2002
Subject: Jeanne...revAppVersion doesn't work?
Message-ID: <a05100300b8d325e8352b@[206.117.139.34]>

At 2:58 AM -0600 4/5/02, Chipp Walters wrote:
>put the revAppVersion throws an error. Is there anyway else to find out
>which version you're running???

Try "put revAppVersion()" 

revAppVersion() is a library function of the language, and therefore cannot be called with the "the revAppVersion" form.
-- 

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com


From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Apr  5 05:38:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri Apr  5 05:38:01 2002
Subject: Can't open downloaded stack on OS X
In-Reply-To: <BBEIJJIICJJBOLMBODHCGELGCIAA.chipp@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <6A44CF42-4880-11D6-9EDC-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Friday, April 5, 2002, at 03:47 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> I authored XMLtree.rev on a PC. I've been told it works fine on a 
> Mac, but
> the creator wasn't set. Supposedly, there's some kind of 'mapping' 
> utility
> in the MacOS for linking files with no creator code with apps. Perhaps
> someone else out there knows about this.

I think I was mistaken when I said I could open chatserver.rev (of 
simplechat) from the dialog box; I can't now.  I can open galactic 
quest.

The latter was downloaded stuffed, so probably had a creator code.

I tried changing the suffix (extension) on some stacks.  For 
XMLtree and chatserver, the type changed.  For galactic quest, the 
type stayed the same.  (I put .rev back.)  I assume the system gets 
the type from the extension on the first two, but from a creator 
code for the last.

I tried
answer "huh?" with filter ".rev"
and was not able to chose any stack.

Dar Scott




From nedlud at postoffice.pacbell.net  Fri Apr  5 06:15:01 2002
From: nedlud at postoffice.pacbell.net (nedlud at postoffice.pacbell.net)
Date: Fri Apr  5 06:15:01 2002
Subject: RR now charging royalties for runtimes?
Message-ID: <0GU200MTQ230FL@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net>

January 22, 1998
From: Jonathan <nedlud at pacbell.net>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

I've reviewed this new description and it looks to be directed at 
organizations that count developer seats too restrictively, leaving the 
revolution folks with the problem of supporting large numbers of pseudo 
developers. If this reading is correct then the distinction between 
commercial (or shareware) developers who provide users with finished 
products and companies that turn each user into a potential revolution 
developer is not especially problematic. In fact it is fair for these 
companies to purchase additional developer seats to cover the floating 
usage. If, on the other hand, this is an attempt to generate a new type 
of income based on the use of software written using revolution, we have 
a serious problem that must be addressed immediately.

J/


>On Wednesday, April 3, 2002, at 02:44 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know anything about this? They call it an "Installation=20
>> License." I'd sure like to know more...
>> http://www.runrev.com/revolution/licensesfaq.html
>
>
>I encourage everyone to provide feedback to the Revolution folks on
>this problematic new fee. I believe that Kevin is the appropriate
>person to send email to.
>
>
>Bill Vlahos


From kmajor at metascape.org  Fri Apr  5 06:34:01 2002
From: kmajor at metascape.org (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri Apr  5 06:34:01 2002
Subject: Can't open downloaded stack on OS X
In-Reply-To: <6A44CF42-4880-11D6-9EDC-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <B1F20664-4888-11D6-AE26-003065D52E8E@metascape.org>

Hi Dar,

>
> On Friday, April 5, 2002, at 03:47 AM, Chipp Walters wrote:
>
>> I authored XMLtree.rev on a PC. I've been told it works fine on a Mac, 
>> but
>> the creator wasn't set. Supposedly, there's some kind of 'mapping' 
>> utility
>> in the MacOS for linking files with no creator code with apps. Perhaps
>> someone else out there knows about this.
>
> I think I was mistaken when I said I could open chatserver.rev (of 
> simplechat) from the dialog box; I can't now.  I can open galactic 
> quest.
>
> The latter was downloaded stuffed, so probably had a creator code.
>
> I tried changing the suffix (extension) on some stacks.  For XMLtree 
> and chatserver, the type changed.  For galactic quest, the type stayed 
> the same.  (I put .rev back.)  I assume the system gets the type from 
> the extension on the first two, but from a creator code for the last.
>
> I tried
> answer "huh?" with filter ".rev"
> and was not able to chose any stack.
>
> Dar Scott

that's an old "inconvenience" only for mac-users.

I solved this problem with a button in one of my home-made palettes,
which will try open ANY file.

Here's the script:

on mouseUp
   answer file "What stack should i try to open, honey?"
   if it is not empty then
     try
       toplevel it
       ### try and error ;-)
       catch errornum
       beep
       ## so i won't explode if it is not a stack, just beep :-D
     end try
   end if
end mouseUp

Works extremely well for me :-)

Hope that helps...


Regards


Klaus Major
kmajor at metascape.org



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Fri Apr  5 06:40:01 2002
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Fri Apr  5 06:40:01 2002
Subject: RR now charging less for many users (was Re: RR now charging
	royalties)
In-Reply-To: <B8D257DA.50EE%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <B8D34AAA.2289C%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

on 4/4/02 8:19 PM, Kevin Miller at kevin at runrev.com wrote:

> This isn't a royalty.  We've just reworked that page with clearer wording
> and price table for common usage, please have another look at it.  If you or
> anyone else is still concerned then please come back to me off list.

Kevin,

Thanks for the clarification.  While it clears some things up, it leaves a
number of questions.  I think it's worth asking these on list, as they are
of general interest.

1) From what date does RunRev intend these new terms to apply?

2) The new wording has introduced at least one new question; as has already
been noted by Glen Yates, it is unclear whether you intend this license to
be paid by the developer (the holder of the relevant license from you) or
the customer (the 'large organisation' (where these are different).  Or, as
suggested by Jonathan/nedlud, did you only intend it to apply where they are
the same organisation?

I have many more questions, but an answer to (2) has to be the starting
point.  Do you (a) want to create a new business relationship between RunRev
and each of my clients, when part of my service includes giving them custom
tools developed with Rev?  Or do you (b) want to charge me an additional fee
for this?   A few of the dependent questions....

2a)  You want to charge the client.

To make this work, I need to put you in touch with my client.  Will your
terms require me to notify you of every client that I supply an app to, so
that you can check from time to time how many machines they've installed it
on?  Or will your terms require me to insert some additional clauses into my
contracts with my clients, imposing a requirement on them to contact you if
and when they install the s/w on more than ten machines?


2b) You want to charge me (the RunRev license holder) an additional fee if
my client uses software I've created in Rev on more than ten machines.

Do you intend to charge the fee for each (large) client?  Or for each piece
of distributed software? or both?  If I've created two tools using RunRev;
given one to two clients as part of my service to them, and the other to one
of these, and one other client (one client getting both), do you intend to
charge the fee:
    - once?
    - twice (once for each app)?
    - three times (once for each client)?
    - four times (once for each client/app)


3) Regardless of the answer to question 2, it appears from my reading of the
current wording that if I offer the software for sale (at any price? under
any terms?) nobody needs to pay an 'installation license' at all.  Is this
your intention?

Please note I have not at this point commented on this interesting new
arrangement; I'm just asking questions.

Finally, a general point, less directly on this particular issue.  I do
think you need to make some announcements of new terms.  I'm not sure when
this information appeared on the web site, but it is unsatisfactory to be
depending on other users to notice such things.   Looking at that page this
morning, I discover that you've also replaced the Standard license with a
new "Small Business Edition".  I didn't notice that yesterday - is it
possible that this substantial change was just added last night as part of
your "clearer wording"?  Assuming not, and that I just failed to notice it,
when was this change introduced, and how was it announced?

regards,
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866




From jeanne at runrev.com  Fri Apr  5 07:23:01 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Fri Apr  5 07:23:01 2002
Subject: Jeanne...revAppVersion doesn't work?
In-Reply-To: <BBEIJJIICJJBOLMBODHCIELFCIAA.chipp@chipp.com>
References: <v03130316b8d31119a8e8@[216.99.192.214]>
Message-ID: <v03130318b8d332d996f2@[216.99.192.214]>

At 1:53 AM -0800 4/5/2002, Chipp Walters wrote:
>hmmm. I'm using winXP - could that be the problem? I did use the script you
>sent me (months ago) on the troubleshooter list and it fixed the problem,
>but the pulldowns on the transcript dictionary are still messed up.

Odd - the script just does what the conversion routine does.

Could you try this in the message box:
  set the revDocsPlatform of stack "revDocs" to "Windows"
and see whether that fixes it? (The routine takes a little while.)


>One other issue... I'm trying to copy a group from one stack to another with
>the field and checkbox contents intact. I can do it manually fine, but when
>I do a:
>
>copy grp "test" to stack "fred" it misses some field contents.

Does it miss all fields, or just some? Could the sharedText property be
significant?

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
http://www.runrev.com/
Runtime Revolution Limited - Power to the Developer!




From fhenders at twraro.org.za  Fri Apr  5 07:52:01 2002
From: fhenders at twraro.org.za (Frederick Henderson)
Date: Fri Apr  5 07:52:01 2002
Subject: RR now charging less for many users (was Re: RR now 
 chargingroyalties)
References: <B8D257DA.50EE%kevin@runrev.com> <005601c1dc06$17dd5420$88b15bd1@lanfear>
Message-ID: <3CAD9D92.A8A53E44@twraro.org.za>

Just add a clause to your software agreement that any one person  or organization is not allowed to purchase or use more than 10 copies.  Otherwise pay the $150 and you are free to distribute as many products to as many people as you like. End of story.

FJH

Shao Sean wrote:

> so as a freeware writer if i write something and release it.. someone
> happens to download it (yeah right ;-) and then they in turn install it on
> 20machines in their business i have to pay you guys money because of that?!
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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From fhenders at twraro.org.za  Fri Apr  5 07:59:01 2002
From: fhenders at twraro.org.za (Frederick Henderson)
Date: Fri Apr  5 07:59:01 2002
Subject: sneak-peek: calendar object
References: <009801c1ccc6$a86b4dc0$88b15bd1@lanfear>
Message-ID: <3CAD9F41.95B38905@twraro.org.za>

How about week numbers, using the ISO8601 standard. Check them out here

A Summary of the International Standard Date and Time Notation by Markus Kuhn

FJH
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Shao Sean wrote:

> thought you guys (and girls =) might like to have a pre-look at my next
> "object" i've been working on..
>
> http://dark.unitz.ca/~shaosean/calendar.gif
>
> pretty obvious that it's a calendar.. the picture is from the previous build
> and does not contain the "go today" feature.. i'm hoping to release the
> first version in a couple of days (free and open code of course)
>
> the features the most current build has:
> - shows the current month (displays it at the top where it says 'Month,
> Year')
> - can navigate to the previous/next month (can keep going until the date
> function breaks)
> - handles leap years
> - clickable dates (will return the date clicked for developer's to do stuff
> with)
> - handles foreign languages and european dates (all text is displayed in the
> language settings of the system)
> - ability to 'jump' back to today
>
> features to add:
> - better hiliting of today's date and clicked date
> - ability to 'jump' between months/years without having to click
> previous/next multiple times
> - auto-updating of "today's date"
>
> if anyone can think of anything else to add, please feel free to write..
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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From mike at essex-web.com  Fri Apr  5 08:20:01 2002
From: mike at essex-web.com (Michael Foy)
Date: Fri Apr  5 08:20:01 2002
Subject: Today's stupid question
References: <v03130316b8d31119a8e8@[216.99.192.214]> <v03130318b8d332d996f2@[216.99.192.214]>
Message-ID: <001a01c1dca4$5070c6c0$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>

You all sighed with relief yesterday, when I didn't ask a question so I get
two today :-)

I now have some cards with a grouped field with text in it, is there any way
I can apply a change of font( bold etc), that will affect/effect all the
text on all the cards, it seems that the contents of the cards, be it text
or text attributes have to be dealt with on a card by card basis


miock




From jeanne at runrev.com  Fri Apr  5 08:30:02 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Fri Apr  5 08:30:02 2002
Subject: Today's stupid question
In-Reply-To: <001a01c1dca4$5070c6c0$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>
References: <v03130316b8d31119a8e8@[216.99.192.214]>
 <v03130318b8d332d996f2@[216.99.192.214]>
Message-ID: <v0313031eb8d35561b3e2@[216.99.192.214]>

At 5:18 AM -0800 4/5/2002, Michael Foy wrote:
>I now have some cards with a grouped field with text in it, is there any way
>I can apply a change of font( bold etc), that will affect/effect all the
>text on all the cards, it seems that the contents of the cards, be it text
>or text attributes have to be dealt with on a card by card basis

You can change the textStyle of a grouped field (or the group's textStyle)
and it will affect all the text on all the cards.

However, there are nuances: if the style or font or size of text in a field
has been set to something other than the default, then changing the field's
textStyle will not change the style of those words. So if the field is set
to 12-point and one line of the field is 24-point, that 24-point line won't
change styles with the rest of the field if you set the field's textStyle
to bold.

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
http://www.runrev.com/
Runtime Revolution Limited - Power to the Developer!




From kmajor at metascape.org  Fri Apr  5 08:31:00 2002
From: kmajor at metascape.org (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri Apr  5 08:31:00 2002
Subject: RR now charging royalties
In-Reply-To: <3CAD9D92.A8A53E44@twraro.org.za>
Message-ID: <0FFFAE4D-4899-11D6-AE26-003065D52E8E@metascape.org>

Hi all,


looks like this is going to be a gigantic thread...

In this mail i want to try to explain the new "installation license" 
thing to me in my own words.
(I am not a lawyer and i am not native english speaking, so it might 
apply to many RR-users
and help them understand as well.)

Please correct me if i am wrong here and there or if i am too naive 
sometimes.

My aim is to really understand the new license.

(The points here may not be in the same order as on the RR website)
Please excuse capitals, i just use them to point out the most important 
things.

Of course, most of the following is my personal opinion...

1.
"I'm the owner of a previous version of Revolution. How does this 
license affect me?
We have special policies for existing customers. Please contact 
support at runrev.com"

The german law is quite clear in this case (even for non-lawyers ;-)
(I talked to a lawyer the other day. I know him personally, that's 
all ;-)

After a contract has been signed, the conditions must NOT be changed 
AFTERWARDS, unless
the partner who wants to change it asks the other partner personally (!) 
and the other partner
HAS to AGREE.

So this is totally illegal according to german law.


2.
Shareware-programmers a poor folks.
(I created shareware for the mac in my SuperCard days and so i know what 
i am talking about.)
Almost noone pays for an app that is fully functional.
So one has to build some clever restrictions that have to be unlocked
via a license-code. One hell of a work... (Sometimes more work than the 
actual app ;-)

So it is something completely different compared to retail-software 
developers.

And they should be treated differently.

Freeware-authors shouldn't have to pay this fee at all, or the number of 
good (RR-based)
freeware will soon tend to none...


3.
"Installation of custom software either created in-house or custom 
created by a consultant.
Depends on your needs and organization size. We can bundle training, new 
tool features and other support options.
Or we can simply offer you an inexpensive installation license for your 
organization, or multiple organizations.
Please contact us to discuss your needs."

This is the part that i definitively do not understand...

Cannot see the context... (And i really try hard ;-)

If i develop some cute software and sell it per copy/license, then i am 
responsible
for support, training etc... and NOT the company who created my 
development-tool.

One will get support from Adobe (well, probably not... ;-) if Photoshop 
goes nuts and not from
Metroworks (or whatever tool they use) or am i missing something here ?


###snip

Well, that's it folks.

Thanks for your patience.

Again, please correct me if i am wrong or too naive in some points.


Regards from germany


Klaus Major
kmajor at metascape.org



From David.Glasgow at cstone-tr.nwest.nhs.uk  Fri Apr  5 08:47:01 2002
From: David.Glasgow at cstone-tr.nwest.nhs.uk (Glasgow, David)
Date: Fri Apr  5 08:47:01 2002
Subject: It were reet grand in't owd days
Message-ID: <92C2FCA79EE22F4B98185EB58BF2D3B351B921@mercury.cstone-tr.nwest.nhs.uk>


	Ian Summerfield wrote 
	<Someone on the list implied they were teaching programming?  When I started
	out we first started learning binary before even touching a system,  then
	base 8, 16, etc.   Then we could understand how a computer stored values,
	we also understood the precision problems with representing floating point
	numbers,  this was all done before being allowed to touch a system!   Mind
	you, maybe times have changed now seeing as there's so much more to learn.
	I started learning at age 14 on a DEC PDP 10>


Apologies in advance for a frivolous post, but  this made me smile.  It reminded me that in 1972 I took a 'computer studies' exam.  I also had to calculate in different bases, but  part of the exam was of much more ephemeral value - reading a piece of paper tape.  My bit said Marilyn Monroe (or is it Munro like the hills?). 

Best wishes,

David Glasgow

Courses HTTP://www.i-Psych.co.uk 


From guzdial at cc.gatech.edu  Fri Apr  5 09:48:02 2002
From: guzdial at cc.gatech.edu (Mark Guzdial)
Date: Fri Apr  5 09:48:02 2002
Subject: Revolution for CGI Scripts
In-Reply-To: <B8CDE75C.9B5C%katir@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <058DABBA-48A4-11D6-9530-003065CC5152@cc.gatech.edu>

WOW!  I was hoping for a pointer -- what I got was a whole tutorial!  
THANK YOU!

Mark

On Monday, April 1, 2002, at 03:30  PM, Sivakatirswami wrote:

> on 4/1/02 7:01 AM, Mark Guzdial  wrote:
>
>> How does one get started exploring Revolution for CGI Scripts?
> It's great you will love it... forget PERL.
>
>> I don't
>> see anything in the built-in documentation nor anything on the website.
> Yes, no documentation released: Here's the quick version.. assumes you 
> have
> web space on a remote host in a virtual domain (i.e. your ISP/web 
> host...)
>
> 1) get a UNIX friend to download and un tar the engine (you might have 
> to
> get the engine from the Metacard site) you need for the platform you 
> will be
> one... Solaris or whatever..have them FTP that to you using binary
> transfer...  ( in my case, to our site and then I download to my Mac... 
> be
> sure to use binary transfer)
>
> 2) Now, upload that engine to your cgi-bin on the site, set permissions 
> to
> CHMOD 755... then take a look in your web master error logs and you 
> will see
> the path that the server uses to point to files in your public_html
> directory. This may vary from server to server
>
> 3) then you put scripts on the site, in your CGI bin like this:
>
> #!/export/vhost/org/g/greatsite/www/public_html/cgi-bin/mc
>
> --where the above is the path to files in your home/public_html
> --and simply points to the MC engine you installed
>
> on startup
>    set the directory to "../images"
>    put random(49) into ArtNo
>    put "taka_art_" &ArtNo&".gif" into nextArt
>    put URL ("binfile:header_art/"&nextArt) into URL
> ("binfile:taka_header_art.gif")
>  put "Done" into theResult
>   put "Content-Type: text/html" & cr
>    put "Content-Length:" && the length of theResult & cr & cr
>    put theResult
> end startUp
>
> now, set the permissions CHMOD 755 for the above script also.
>
>
> fyi the above script takes a random image from a folder (all the same 
> size
> of course) and copies it to another image... the html file that uses the
> image then has a different image in that same place. i.e. this is a 
> daily
> rotation of an image on site.
>
> Here is another script that processes a simple subscription on a form 
> and
> sends email off to subscribe the individual
>
> #!/export/vhost/org/g/greatwebsite/www/public_html/cgi-bin/mc
>  on startup
>     read from stdin until empty
>     put  urlDecode (it)  into tDataIn
>     split tDataIn by "&" and "="
>     put isWellFormedMailtoScheme (tDataIn ["email"]) into emailCheck
>     switch emailCheck
>       case "False"
>       put badEmail(fixYourEmail) into tResponse
>       break
>       case "True"
>
> put  tDataIn ["subscribe_mc"] into tRemit
> put tDataIn ["email"] after tRemit
>
>   put "---Valid Web Subscription--" & cr before tRemit
>     put "/usr/lib/sendmail -t" into mprocess
>  open process mprocess for write
>   write "From:" && "webmaster at hindu.org" & cr to process mprocess
>    write "To:" && "mylistAdmin at someListServe.org" & cr to process 
> mprocess
>  write "Subject:" && "Subscriber to Master Course" & cr & cr to process
> mprocess
>   write tRemit to process mprocess
>   close process mprocess
>   wait until the openprocesses is empty
>  ## now we send an acknowledgement to the person by HTTP
>  put url "file:../mc/subscr-mc_thankyou.shtml" into tResponse
>    replace "***Subscriber***" with tDataIn ["email"] in tResponse
> end switch
>
>   put "Content-Type: text/html" & cr
>   put "Content-Length:" && the length of tResponse & cr & cr
>   put tResponse
>
>  end startup
>
> ##this function is a bit "hokey" but works ... new regEx expressions
> ## should make this easier now... but haven't had time to re-write it.
>
>
> function isWellFormedMailtoScheme  email
>
>   # return TRUE if email is a legal email URI, else return FALSE
>   # We are not actually *validating* the email address, only its syntax.
>   # Per address specification rules of RFC822: Standard for ARPA 
> Internet
> Text Messages
>   # http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc822/Overview.html
>
>   # Basic syntax requires: one or more characters before the @ sign,
>
>   split email by "@"
>   if extents(email) <> "1,2" then return false # only 1 @-sign is 
> permitted
>   put email[2] into hostanddomain
>
>   # There are 2 options to check, domain-literal or domain-logical:
>
>
>   # domain-literal option:
>   # primitive network host address form, must have [###.###.###.###] 
> where 0
> < # < 256
>   if char 1 of hostanddomain = "[" then
>     if not last char of hostanddomain = "]" then return false
>     delete char 1 of hostanddomain
>     delete last char of hostanddomain
>     set the itemDel to "."
>     if the num of items of hostanddomain <> 4 then return false
>     repeat with x = 1 to 4
>       if not isNumber(item x of hostanddomain) then return false
>       if item x of hostanddomain > 255 or item x of hostanddomain < 1 
> then
> return false
>     end repeat
>     return TRUE
>   end if
>
>   # domain-logical option: (the "normal" form)
>   # this permits an arbitrary number of strings separated by ".", 
> ending in
> a domain name
>   set the itemDel to "."
>   put the num of items of hostanddomain into hostanddomainItems
>   if hostanddomainItems = 0 then return false
>   if hostanddomain contains ".." then return false # empty hosts not 
> allowed
>   repeat with x = length(hostanddomain) down to 1
>     if not ("0123456789.-abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz_" contains char x of
> hostanddomain) then return false
>   end repeat
>   return TRUE
> end isWellFormedMailtoScheme
>
> function badEmail
> put "<html><head><Title>There is a problem with your email address!"\
> & "</TITLE></HEAD><CENTER><BODY BGCOLOR=#ffffff> <FONT
> color=FF0000><h3>Sorry,"\
> & "there was something wrong in the way you entered your email. <br>"\
> & "Please go back and enter it again. Thank
> you.</H3></FONT></CENTER></BODY></HTML>" into fixYourEmail
> return fixYourEmail
> end badEmail
>
>
>> Thanks!
>> Mark
>
> I also have a REV "gadget" that I keep all my cgi's in and I can upload 
> them
> to site, set CHMOD automatically and then run them and "catch" and 
> returned
> data in a field... for fast testing i.e. avoids the FTP
> Client/browser/Bbedit loop for your dev and testing.
>
> Hinduism Today
>
> Sivakatirswami
> Editor's Assistant/Production Manager
> katir at hindu.org
> www.HinduismToday.com, www.HimalayanAcademy.com,
> www.Gurudeva.org, www.hindu.org
>
> Read The Master Course Lesson of the Day at
> http://www.gurudeva.org/lesson.shtml
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From steve at messimercomputing.com  Fri Apr  5 09:50:02 2002
From: steve at messimercomputing.com (Steve Messimer)
Date: Fri Apr  5 09:50:02 2002
Subject: License issue
Message-ID: <B8D32390.553%steve@messimercomputing.com>

Hi,

I have reviewed the license issue and it seems fair and appropriate to me.
It looks as if this fee is related to covering Rev support costs in large
companies and doesn't seem to be an issue for small developers at all.

Here's a relavant quote from the FAQ that relartes directly to my business:

"I'm a shareware developer / consultant / retail software developer and I'm
going to ship thousands of copies. Do I need a license?"

"No."

End of issue from my perspective.

Regards,

Steve

Stephen R. Messimer
Messimer Computing, Inc
2501 14th Ave South
Escanaba, MI 49829
www.messimercomputing.com




From mike at essex-web.com  Fri Apr  5 09:51:02 2002
From: mike at essex-web.com (Michael Foy)
Date: Fri Apr  5 09:51:02 2002
Subject: It were reet grand in't owd days
References: <92C2FCA79EE22F4B98185EB58BF2D3B351B921@mercury.cstone-tr.nwest.nhs.uk>
Message-ID: <005001c1dcb0$f0050460$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>

paper tape, yoo were lucky, we used to dream of paper tape, well actually
punched card was much better than paper tape, I have a couple of old hand
card punches at home, hoping that one day they will be worth some money :-)

being able to read paper tape or punched cards is a lost art, I still get
looks at people at work  when I tell them the ascii code for a letter
without looking it up, the youth of today.....

1975 teletype clunkers and a remote acoustic coupled pdp something at the OU
,ally pally, newcastle or bletchly.

I quite agree with a nice (free) day of revolution learning, I can make
Londo no trouble :-)


miock


----- Original Message -----
From: Glasgow, David <David.Glasgow at cstone-tr.nwest.nhs.uk>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 2:40 PM
Subject: It were reet grand in't owd days


>
>
> Ian Summerfield wrote
> <Someone on the list implied they were teaching programming?  When I
started
> out we first started learning binary before even touching a system,  then
> base 8, 16, etc.   Then we could understand how a computer stored values,
> we also understood the precision problems with representing floating point
> numbers,  this was all done before being allowed to touch a system!   Mind
> you, maybe times have changed now seeing as there's so much more to learn.
> I started learning at age 14 on a DEC PDP 10>
>
>
> Apologies in advance for a frivolous post, but  this made me smile.  It
reminded me that in 1972 I took a 'computer studies' exam.  I also had to
calculate in different bases, but  part of the exam was of much more
ephemeral value - reading a piece of paper tape.  My bit said Marilyn Monroe
(or is it Munro like the hills?).
>
> Best wishes,
>
> David Glasgow
>
> Courses HTTP://www.i-Psych.co.uk
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>




From mdmays at airmail.net  Fri Apr  5 09:53:02 2002
From: mdmays at airmail.net (Michael D Mays)
Date: Fri Apr  5 09:53:02 2002
Subject: MOD function does not work!  So be warned!
In-Reply-To: <a05100300b8d21f981c93@[216.229.107.179]>
Message-ID: <B8D2F7B1.545C4%mdmays@airmail.net>

Rob Cozens of rcozens at pon.net wrote the following on 4/4/02 9:59 AM

> Or is the real issue here the failure of HyperTalk, MC, & RR
> documentation writers to add a line indicating only non-decimal
> arguments are legal?  The HC documentation just says "numbers",
> implying one could legally script something like "999.999 mod
> 333.333".

xTalks are purported to be 'typeless'. But they aren't. The engine which
drives the engine is a binary machine. Is one "one", 1 or 1.0? It depends
upon the context. What this means in effect is that the rules for typing in
xTalk are more complex than the rules for typing in a 'typed' language.

99.9 and maybe a few more 9s of the time this doesn't matter or the
automatic typing rules work the way we think they should.

xTalk scripters are a prior ill equipped to deal with numbers. When
HyperTalk became PPC native, the precision to which numbers were calculated
decreased by two or three orders of magnitude. And as you point out, where
in any xTalk documentation does anyone talk about numbers. Only the
HyperCard documentation talks about SANE and number precision. But even that
discussion leaves one sadly lacking. And when Apple released the PPC version
of HyperCard, the documentation was not updated for the new PPC numerics.

Caveat emptor.:(

michael



From Marian.Petrides at sm11.texas.rr.com  Fri Apr  5 09:53:07 2002
From: Marian.Petrides at sm11.texas.rr.com (Marian.Petrides at sm11.texas.rr.com)
Date: Fri Apr  5 09:53:07 2002
Subject: RR now  charging royalties
In-Reply-To: <3CAD9D92.A8A53E44@twraro.org.za>
Message-ID: <E78A5A31-4898-11D6-B063-0003936D5826@earthlink.net>

I have a real problem with this.  First of all, I do not recall this 
being in any license agreement I have already entered into with RunRev 
although I have not had time to check.  If that is the case, the change 
is being made ex-post-facto and probably can not be enforced against 
early adopters (people who entered into a contract w RunRev prior to the 
change.)

I develop educational software to use with medical students, residents, 
etc.  While there may be only a single copy on the server, many 
individuals have access to it.  Ideally, it will be available to anyone 
who wants it hospital/medical school-wide.

I am in the process of developing similar software to be distributed by 
the American Assn of Blood Banks.  Once I deliver it to them, they make 
the marketing decisions.  And a number of purchasers are probably going 
to want to use it for the same purposes I outline above.

If I can not be certain that I will be adhering to the licensing 
agreement, I will not develop in Rev--which is a shame.

Kevin, I am more than glad to carry on any further discussion off-list 
if you wish.   However,  I think that regardless of how my individual 
situation gets resolved, RunRev needs to reconsider this position and/or 
make the specific provisions clearer.

Thanks.

Marian


On Friday, April 5, 2002, at 06:50 AM, Frederick Henderson wrote:

> Just add a clause to your software agreement that any one person  or 
> organization is not allowed to purchase or use more than 10 copies.  
> Otherwise pay the $150 and you are free to distribute as many products 
> to as many people as you like. End of story.
>
> FJH
>
> Shao Sean wrote:
>
>> so as a freeware writer if i write something and release it.. someone
>> happens to download it (yeah right ;-) and then they in turn install 
>> it on
>> 20machines in their business i have to pay you guys money because of 
>> that?!
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From Marian.Petrides at sm11.texas.rr.com  Fri Apr  5 09:53:12 2002
From: Marian.Petrides at sm11.texas.rr.com (Marian.Petrides at sm11.texas.rr.com)
Date: Fri Apr  5 09:53:12 2002
Subject: Today's stupid question
In-Reply-To: <001a01c1dca4$5070c6c0$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>
Message-ID: <5B22A50C-4899-11D6-B063-0003936D5826@earthlink.net>

You can write a brief script to run in the (extended, multi-line) 
message box to accomplish this.  However, I encountered some problems 
doing something like this (placing a new group on all cards in a 200 
card stack)  that Geoff is still trying to help me with--script I sent 
him looked OK to him and me but stops after fixing a card or two.

When I get a script that works, I'll post it here.

Marian

On Friday, April 5, 2002, at 07:18 AM, Michael Foy wrote:

> You all sighed with relief yesterday, when I didn't ask a question so I 
> get
> two today :-)
>
> I now have some cards with a grouped field with text in it, is there 
> any way
> I can apply a change of font( bold etc), that will affect/effect all the
> text on all the cards, it seems that the contents of the cards, be it 
> text
> or text attributes have to be dealt with on a card by card basis
>
>
> miock
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Apr  5 11:25:01 2002
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri Apr  5 11:25:01 2002
Subject: Spreadsheet Style Display (.mc to .rev)? Can't open...
References: <200204051135.GAA21241@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3CADCF9D.3037B79D@hyperactivesw.com>

Steve L <prodevm at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I am downloadinf the stack files, just as I would any
> other download, I am not compressing the file (that I
> know of); is there anything special I need to be
> doing?
> 
> I tried several times, it keeps saying: trying to
> perform an illegal operation and closes Rev.  Like I
> said, it opens all other stacks without a problem.

Does the stack open and then quit? Can you see it at all? Or does Rev
quit before the stack comes on screen?

I didn't mean that you were compressing the stack, I meant that the
stack was stored online compressed in binhex (hqx) format; on a Mac
you'd drop the file onto Stuffit Expander to decompress it. I'm sure
Windows has an equivalent decompressor but I'm not sure what it is. What
OS are you running?

I'll send you the file in email if you like, but I'd like to know what
the problem is regardless, so that I can fix it if necessary. I haven't
heard that anyone else is having trouble though, and the file has had
hundreds of downloads.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From kevin at runrev.com  Fri Apr  5 11:35:01 2002
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Fri Apr  5 11:35:01 2002
Subject: 1.1.1 is now shipping!
Message-ID: <B8D39070.518B%kevin@runrev.com>

Hi Everyone,

I am pleased to announce the release of Revolution version 1.1.1.

This release brings improved product stability, a enhanced Internet library,
better database support and improvements to the documentation.  There is
also new pricing.  This release is a must have for all Revolution
developers, please download it now.  The URL for the downloads page is:

http://www.runrev.com/revolution/downloads/downloads.html

Note that some early builds of 1.1.1 have been available for a few days:
though these were not announced to this list while final checks were
performed.  If you want to ensure you have the latest version, check that
the Read Me file says "build release 2", or that the revAppVersion()
function returns 1.1.1r2.

Pricing changes:

- The Small Business Edition, priced at $299, replaces the Standard
Edition. The Small Business Edition includes all the features of the
Standard Edition, plus all upgrades for a year, and its price represents a
$50 savings from the Standard Edition.  If you're an existing Standard
Edition user and want to upgrade free (with the one year of upgrades simply
back dated to your date of purchase) please contact heather at runrev.com.
(Note that there is a new restriction on this license - you may purchase a
maximum of three copies per organization and may not mix this license type
with other license types in an organization.)

- The Student-Teacher Edition, priced at $99, is available to all students
and K-12 teachers. The features are identical to the Small Business
Edition with the exception of the restrictions on commercial software
distribution common to all the educational licenses.

These options join the existing license types, which include the
Professional Edition at $995, the K-12 Classroom Edition at $25 per user in
quantities of ten or more, and the Professional Educational Edition, which
offers the features of the Professional Edition at half price for
college-level educators. Substantial multi-user discounts are also
available.

We now offers now enterprise-level options, which will include custom
technical support, customization and training options, tied to a custom
Installation License.  If you are interested, please contact
support at runrev.com to discuss your requirements.

A brand new licensing FAQ (thanks to the feedback from the "early adopters"
who read the previous version and sincere apologies for the confusion whilst
this was revised, and the backtrack and additions to aspects of this, we'll
be more careful next time) - is available at:

http://www.runrev.com/revolution/licensesfaq.html

As a result of a growing customer base, the new lower priced options and
general feedback, access to new alpha and beta test releases of Revolution
is going to be restricted to Professional License holders from now on.  The
improve-revolution list will consequently be restricted to Professional
users shortly.  I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone on
that list for their extensive feedback and testing to date.

1.1.1 has been a long haul for our team - a much longer release schedule
than we expected.  It has taken longer to manage growing the team, building
on our strategy, and respond to as much of the feedback about the product as
we could.  Its our best release yet, and our team is now more robust than
ever, I hope that the new lower pricing / all inclusive Small Business
Edition and Student Teacher Edition will be popular with those of you to
whom it is aimed.

Enjoy!

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - Power to the Developer!
Tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165.  Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707.



From rcozens at pon.net  Fri Apr  5 12:04:01 2002
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Fri Apr  5 12:04:01 2002
Subject: It were reet grand in't owd days
In-Reply-To: <005001c1dcb0$f0050460$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>
References:  <92C2FCA79EE22F4B98185EB58BF2D3B351B921@mercury.cstone-tr.nwest.nhs.uk>
 <005001c1dcb0$f0050460$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>
Message-ID: <a05100300b8d37a6f6527@[216.229.107.130]>

>paper tape, yoo were lucky, we used to dream of paper tape, well actually
>punched card was much better than paper tape,

paper tape for data storage?  The first computer I worked with at OPD 
was an HP2100a which was booted using front panel switches & paper 
tape.
-- 

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)


From rcozens at pon.net  Fri Apr  5 12:04:17 2002
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Fri Apr  5 12:04:17 2002
Subject: MOD function does not work!  So be warned!
In-Reply-To: <B8D2F7B1.545C4%mdmays@airmail.net>
References: <B8D2F7B1.545C4%mdmays@airmail.net>
Message-ID: <a05100301b8d37beebf30@[216.229.107.130]>

>xTalks are purported to be 'typeless'. But they aren't.

Michael, et al,

Yes, and this mod issue is the result.

I can hear the conversation among Winkler, Atkinson, and other early 
HC team members:

"What do we do about the mod operator?  It's an integer operator in 
every other programming language; but if we restrict it to integers, 
we'll have to explain to people the differences between real numbers 
& integers...that might get them to thinking they're programming and 
scare them away.  So let's just accept decimals.  After all, there is 
nothing in the generic definition of 'remainder' that requires the 
dividend or divisor to be integers."      :{`)

 From the Rev dictionary:

"The mod operator evaluates to the remainder left over when one 
number is divided by another."

 From Funk & Wagnalls, remainder : "In division, the excess of the 
dividend over the product of the divisor by the integral part of the 
quotient."  Therefore remainder = dividend - 
(divisor*trunc(quotient)).  Trunc(quotient) = trunc(dividend/divisor) 
= dividend div divisor; so remainder = dividend - (divisor * 
(dividend div divisor))

That looks a lot like:

function myMod zaValue,zaBase
   return zaValue-((zaValue div zaBase)*zaBase)
end myMod

which I previously posted as being correct for integer values.  I 
rewrote Ian's original to call myMod instead of mod.  The results 
were the same.

I think Xtalk should follow normal programming convent and have mod 
reject non-integer values.  I'm ready to initiate a discussion on the 
topic on the Xtalk List, if someone would please send me subscription 
instructions.
-- 

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)


From hangtime at mac.com  Fri Apr  5 12:22:01 2002
From: hangtime at mac.com (HangTime)
Date: Fri Apr  5 12:22:01 2002
Subject: Geometry: moving a group of objects to fit Window
In-Reply-To: <200112161712.MAA13807@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <B8D3334D.3799%hangtime@mac.com>

What I have is a Group of several images (the number is variable).  I set up
the Geometry Manager to handle resizing the group as the window is resized.
Now what I would like to do manage the individual images within that group
so that they reposition themselves to best fit the size of the window
without any horizontal scrolling (e.g. if there is only enough horizontal
room for 2 images in the window, then have two columns of images.  as the
width changes, increase or decrease the number of horizontally placed
images).

I'm guessing I can handle this with the reposition tab of the Geometry
Manager, but I haven't grasped how yet, can someone explain the best way to
tackle this?   TIA --HangTime [Will Computer For Food]  B-)>



From prodevm at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  5 12:28:00 2002
From: prodevm at yahoo.com (Steve L)
Date: Fri Apr  5 12:28:00 2002
Subject: Spreadsheet Style Display (.mc to .rev)? Can't open...
In-Reply-To: <3CADCF9D.3037B79D@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <20020405172622.31617.qmail@web20302.mail.yahoo.com>

--- "J. Landman Gay" <jacque at hyperactivesw.com> wrote:

> Does the stack open and then quit? No

>Can you see it at all? NO

>Or does Rev quit before the stack comes on screen?
Yes

> I didn't mean that you were compressing the stack, I
> meant that the stack was stored online compressed in
>binhex (hqx)format; on a Mac you'd drop the file onto
>Stuffit Expander to decompress it. I'm sure Windows
>has an equivalent decompressor but I'm not sure what
>it is. What OS are you running?

I am running Windows 98.  I have an unzip program to
decompress .zip files, but it does not work on your
stacks, because they are not in .zip format.

> I'll send you the file in email if you like, but I'd
> like to know what the problem is regardless, so that
>I can fix it if necessary. I haven't heard that
>anyone else is having trouble though, and the file
>has had hundreds of downloads.

Thanks 

Steve

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From rupertus at netgate.com.uy  Fri Apr  5 14:27:06 2002
From: rupertus at netgate.com.uy (Eduardo Di Santi)
Date: Fri Apr  5 14:27:06 2002
Subject: RR now  charging royalties
References: <E78A5A31-4898-11D6-B063-0003936D5826@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <3CAE9087.84EFB4D3@netgate.com.uy>

OK, if Revolution change rules during the game im out.
Good product, bad comercial managment, worst action.

Marian.Petrides at sm11.texas.rr.com, "M.D." escribi?:
> 
> I have a real problem with this.  First of all, I do not recall this
> being in any license agreement I have already entered into with RunRev
> although I have not had time to check.  If that is the case, the change
> is being made ex-post-facto and probably can not be enforced against
> early adopters (people who entered into a contract w RunRev prior to the
> change.)
> 
> I develop educational software to use with medical students, residents,
> etc.  While there may be only a single copy on the server, many
> individuals have access to it.  Ideally, it will be available to anyone
> who wants it hospital/medical school-wide.
> 
> I am in the process of developing similar software to be distributed by
> the American Assn of Blood Banks.  Once I deliver it to them, they make
> the marketing decisions.  And a number of purchasers are probably going
> to want to use it for the same purposes I outline above.
> 
> If I can not be certain that I will be adhering to the licensing
> agreement, I will not develop in Rev--which is a shame.
> 
> Kevin, I am more than glad to carry on any further discussion off-list
> if you wish.   However,  I think that regardless of how my individual
> situation gets resolved, RunRev needs to reconsider this position and/or
> make the specific provisions clearer.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Marian
> 
> On Friday, April 5, 2002, at 06:50 AM, Frederick Henderson wrote:
> 
> > Just add a clause to your software agreement that any one person  or
> > organization is not allowed to purchase or use more than 10 copies.
> > Otherwise pay the $150 and you are free to distribute as many products
> > to as many people as you like. End of story.
> >
> > FJH
> >
> > Shao Sean wrote:
> >
> >> so as a freeware writer if i write something and release it.. someone
> >> happens to download it (yeah right ;-) and then they in turn install
> >> it on
> >> 20machines in their business i have to pay you guys money because of
> >> that?!
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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From rupertus at netgate.com.uy  Fri Apr  5 14:27:17 2002
From: rupertus at netgate.com.uy (Eduardo Di Santi)
Date: Fri Apr  5 14:27:17 2002
Subject: RR now charging royalties
References: <0FFFAE4D-4899-11D6-AE26-003065D52E8E@metascape.org>
Message-ID: <3CAE929C.A845A438@netgate.com.uy>

I agree !!!.

Turn back or Java back.

Klaus Major escribi?:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> looks like this is going to be a gigantic thread...
> 
> In this mail i want to try to explain the new "installation license"
> thing to me in my own words.
> (I am not a lawyer and i am not native english speaking, so it might
> apply to many RR-users
> and help them understand as well.)
> 
> Please correct me if i am wrong here and there or if i am too naive
> sometimes.
> 
> My aim is to really understand the new license.
> 
> (The points here may not be in the same order as on the RR website)
> Please excuse capitals, i just use them to point out the most important
> things.
> 
> Of course, most of the following is my personal opinion...
> 
> 1.
> "I'm the owner of a previous version of Revolution. How does this
> license affect me?
> We have special policies for existing customers. Please contact
> support at runrev.com"
> 
> The german law is quite clear in this case (even for non-lawyers ;-)
> (I talked to a lawyer the other day. I know him personally, that's
> all ;-)
> 
> After a contract has been signed, the conditions must NOT be changed
> AFTERWARDS, unless
> the partner who wants to change it asks the other partner personally (!)
> and the other partner
> HAS to AGREE.
> 
> So this is totally illegal according to german law.
> 
> 2.
> Shareware-programmers a poor folks.
> (I created shareware for the mac in my SuperCard days and so i know what
> i am talking about.)
> Almost noone pays for an app that is fully functional.
> So one has to build some clever restrictions that have to be unlocked
> via a license-code. One hell of a work... (Sometimes more work than the
> actual app ;-)
> 
> So it is something completely different compared to retail-software
> developers.
> 
> And they should be treated differently.
> 
> Freeware-authors shouldn't have to pay this fee at all, or the number of
> good (RR-based)
> freeware will soon tend to none...
> 
> 3.
> "Installation of custom software either created in-house or custom
> created by a consultant.
> Depends on your needs and organization size. We can bundle training, new
> tool features and other support options.
> Or we can simply offer you an inexpensive installation license for your
> organization, or multiple organizations.
> Please contact us to discuss your needs."
> 
> This is the part that i definitively do not understand...
> 
> Cannot see the context... (And i really try hard ;-)
> 
> If i develop some cute software and sell it per copy/license, then i am
> responsible
> for support, training etc... and NOT the company who created my
> development-tool.
> 
> One will get support from Adobe (well, probably not... ;-) if Photoshop
> goes nuts and not from
> Metroworks (or whatever tool they use) or am i missing something here ?
> 
> ###snip
> 
> Well, that's it folks.
> 
> Thanks for your patience.
> 
> Again, please correct me if i am wrong or too naive in some points.
> 
> Regards from germany
> 
> Klaus Major
> kmajor at metascape.org
> 
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Apr  5 14:29:58 2002
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri Apr  5 14:29:58 2002
Subject: Jeanne...revAppVersion doesn't work?
References: <v03130316b8d31119a8e8@[216.99.192.214]>
Message-ID: <00b901c1dcd5$a722e030$7c00a8c0@mckinley.dom>

Jeanne, I'm sorry, but go to the "<>", "<=", and ">=" entry in the docs. It
still shows a box character there. (I'm using the release version of 1.1.1.)
I tried the 'set the revDocsPlatform of stack "revDocs" to "Windows"' trick,
but it didn't change anything.


Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeanne A. E. DeVoto" <jeanne at runrev.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 2:38 AM
Subject: Re: Jeanne...revAppVersion doesn't work?


> At 12:58 AM -0800 4/5/2002, Chipp Walters wrote:
> >put the revAppVersion throws an error. Is there anyway else to find out
> >which version you're running???
>
> It's a library command, so it doesn't support the "the" syntax. Try
>   put revAppVersion()
> - that should work. (The About box does show the current version, although
> it's kind of easy to miss - it's in the top left corner.)
>
>
> >Also, I hate to be a crab about it...but the help files still have the
> >problem with apostrophe's on Windows.
>
> I'm not seeing this on Windows with 1.1.1 here - checked the See Also
> lists, the Development Guide listing, the Troubleshooting listing, and a
> few other random places. Can you be more specific about where you're
seeing
> apostrophe problems so I can reproduce them?
>
> (And yes, there's conversion code in there, of course.)
>
> --
> Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
> http://www.runrev.com/
> Runtime Revolution Limited - Power to the Developer!
>
>
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From JAMES.G.YATES at saic.com  Fri Apr  5 14:33:00 2002
From: JAMES.G.YATES at saic.com (Yates, Glen)
Date: Fri Apr  5 14:33:00 2002
Subject: Spreadsheet Style Display (.mc to .rev)? Can't open...
Message-ID: <33F0B58BF432D211B72200805FEFAAD905A5D4@hun-its-exs01.saic.com>

> > I didn't mean that you were compressing the stack, I
> > meant that the stack was stored online compressed in
> >binhex (hqx)format; on a Mac you'd drop the file onto
> >Stuffit Expander to decompress it. I'm sure Windows
> >has an equivalent decompressor but I'm not sure what
> >it is. What OS are you running?
> 
> I am running Windows 98.  I have an unzip program to
> decompress .zip files, but it does not work on your
> stacks, because they are not in .zip format.

You need to get Aladdin Expander

Aladdin Home Page...	http://www.aladdinsys.com/

Then everything will be cool.

-Glen Yates


From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Apr  5 14:40:01 2002
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri Apr  5 14:40:01 2002
Subject: Jeanne...revAppVersion doesn't work?
In-Reply-To: <v03130318b8d332d996f2@[216.99.192.214]>
Message-ID: <MPELJJGBBDPBNCHJHAOOKEDPCGAA.chipp@chipp.com>

Jeanne,

Thanks for the sharedtext tip. Worked great. I'm now having problems with
the group copy not retaining checkbox state of checkbox buttons. Any other
suggestions?

cw

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Jeanne A. E.
> DeVoto
> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 4:59 AM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: RE: Jeanne...revAppVersion doesn't work?
>
>
> At 1:53 AM -0800 4/5/2002, Chipp Walters wrote:
> >hmmm. I'm using winXP - could that be the problem? I did use the
> script you
> >sent me (months ago) on the troubleshooter list and it fixed the problem,
> >but the pulldowns on the transcript dictionary are still messed up.
>
> Odd - the script just does what the conversion routine does.
>
> Could you try this in the message box:
>   set the revDocsPlatform of stack "revDocs" to "Windows"
> and see whether that fixes it? (The routine takes a little while.)
>
>
> >One other issue... I'm trying to copy a group from one stack to
> another with
> >the field and checkbox contents intact. I can do it manually
> fine, but when
> >I do a:
> >
> >copy grp "test" to stack "fred" it misses some field contents.
>
> Does it miss all fields, or just some? Could the sharedText property be
> significant?
>
> --
> Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
> http://www.runrev.com/
> Runtime Revolution Limited - Power to the Developer!
>
>
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From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Apr  5 14:40:10 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri Apr  5 14:40:10 2002
Subject: Checking stacks for non-commercial
Message-ID: <1D514668-48CC-11D6-BA92-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

I'd like to make sure that a stack has never been saved with an 
educational edition of Revolution.  Is there a way to do that by 
examining the stack?

Is there a way for a stack to check whether the current development 
environment is an educational edition?

I can always ask for a certification (or simply a comment in the 
stack or control script) from stack suppliers, but if there is an 
easy, commonly-known way to check, I'd like to do that, too.
Dar Scott





From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Apr  5 14:46:00 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri Apr  5 14:46:00 2002
Subject: RR now  charging royalties
In-Reply-To: <3CAE9087.84EFB4D3@netgate.com.uy>
Message-ID: <D6D347E4-48CC-11D6-BA92-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Friday, April 5, 2002, at 11:07 PM, Eduardo Di Santi wrote:

> OK, if Revolution change rules during the game im out.
> Good product, bad comercial managment, worst action.

You may want to look at the very latest version of the license 
faq.  Hit refresh to make sure you have the latest.

Dar Scott



From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Apr  5 14:48:01 2002
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri Apr  5 14:48:01 2002
Subject: RR now  charging royalties
In-Reply-To: <3CAE9087.84EFB4D3@netgate.com.uy>
Message-ID: <MPELJJGBBDPBNCHJHAOOCEEBCGAA.chipp@chipp.com>

Well, it does appear that RR has changed the policy significantly from when
first presented. The whole of which now appears below (taken off the RR
website). My interpretation: It is no longer ever necessary for developers
to purchase an Installation License unless they want added support from
RunRev such as training, enhanced tech support, etc.. This seems to me to be
fair and reasonable.

-Chipp Walters

The Installation License
Who has to pay the Installation License?

We offer a number of custom options including training, enhanced technical
support arrangements, product customization and
more. If you require any of these options, then an Installation License is
required.

What does it cost?

The Installation License can be custom negotiated and will depend partly on
the size of your organization and partly on your specific needs.
If you require an installation license, please contact support at runrev.com to
discuss your requirements.


Why do you have an Installation License?

We have found that the number of developers is a poor reflection of the use
of Revolution in an organization, or to the level of support needed by the
developer. As such the Installation License allows us to charge more and
offer more where it is appropriate. It is aimed at larger organizations who
require extra support, and covers installing runtimes created by a smaller
development team onto many machines in their organization, where that
organization requires enhanced support or other custom services.


I'm a shareware developer / consultant / retail software developer and I'm
going to ship thousands of copies. Do I need a license?

No.


I'm the owner of a previous version of Revolution. How does this license
affect me?

We have special policies for existing customers. Please contact
support at runrev.com




From drvaughan55 at mac.com  Fri Apr  5 17:07:01 2002
From: drvaughan55 at mac.com (David Vaughan)
Date: Fri Apr  5 17:07:01 2002
Subject: Spreadsheet Style Display (.mc to .rev)? Can't open...
In-Reply-To: <3CADCF9D.3037B79D@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <4B290CE6-48E1-11D6-B19D-000393598038@mac.com>

On Saturday, April 6, 2002, at 02:23 , J. Landman Gay wrote:
snip
> I'll send you the file in email if you like, but I'd like to know what
> the problem is regardless, so that I can fix it if necessary. I haven't
> heard that anyone else is having trouble though, and the file has had
> hundreds of downloads.

Jacqueline

I downloaded the stack a couple of days ago when Steve raised the 
problem, and it failed for me. I tried again just now and it worked 
perfectly. Other than the fact that I observed it fail once, I am afraid 
I can offer no assistance at all - so far it looks like chance. Sorry.

OS X 10.1.3 (decoding .hqx was automatic; I just changed mc to rev).

regards
David

>
> --
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From drvaughan55 at mac.com  Fri Apr  5 17:10:02 2002
From: drvaughan55 at mac.com (David Vaughan)
Date: Fri Apr  5 17:10:02 2002
Subject: MOD function does not work!  So be warned!
In-Reply-To: <a05100301b8d37beebf30@[216.229.107.130]>
Message-ID: <A45A8EF6-48E1-11D6-B19D-000393598038@mac.com>

On Saturday, April 6, 2002, at 03:00 , Rob Cozens wrote:

>> xTalks are purported to be 'typeless'. But they aren't.
>
>
> I think Xtalk should follow normal programming convent and have mod 
> reject non-integer values.  I'm ready to initiate a discussion on the 
> topic on the Xtalk List, if someone would please send me subscription 
> instructions.

I would like to join that (on the same instructions) if it happens.

regards
David
> --
> Rob Cozens
> CCW, Serendipity Software Company
> http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm
>
> "And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
> Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."
>
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From michael at GreppyDreppies.com  Fri Apr  5 19:05:01 2002
From: michael at GreppyDreppies.com (Michael D Mays)
Date: Fri Apr  5 19:05:01 2002
Subject: MOD function does not work!  So be warned!
In-Reply-To: <a05100301b8d37beebf30@[216.229.107.130]>
Message-ID: <B8D39769.54BB8%michael@GreppyDreppies.com>

One problem is what is an integer?

Is 123456789112345678 an integer? Yes. No. Maybe

put 123456789112345678+0 on a PPC Mac results in
 123456789112345680

If we were C programmers we would know that this is the 'correct' answer.
But we are merely lowly xTalkers and we wonder where the seven went. ;)

If I would have done this 12 years ago on any Mac my results would have been
 123456789112345678

I don't know what our brethren in the windows world get. But it could be
different. (I get the same answer with Virtual PC running 2000.)

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xtalks/

michael

Rob Cozens of rcozens at pon.net wrote the following on 4/5/02 11:00 AM

> I think Xtalk should follow normal programming convent and have mod
> reject non-integer values.  I'm ready to initiate a discussion on the
> topic on the Xtalk List, if someone would please send me subscription
> instructions.



From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Apr  5 19:31:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri Apr  5 19:31:01 2002
Subject: MOD function does not work!  So be warned!
In-Reply-To: <a05100301b8d37beebf30@[216.229.107.130]>
Message-ID: <B94769AC-48F4-11D6-BA92-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Friday, April 5, 2002, at 10:00 AM, Rob Cozens wrote:

> I think Xtalk should follow normal programming convent and have 
> mod reject non-integer values.

The definition from Knuth's _Fundamental Algorithms_ is this:

x mod y = x - y * floor( x/y ) if y is not 0
x mod 0 = x
where x and y are real numbers

(All programmers over 40 are required to give a reverent "Ahhh" at 
the mention of this work.)

Dar Scott




From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Apr  5 23:48:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri Apr  5 23:48:01 2002
Subject: MOD function does not work!  So be warned!
In-Reply-To: <B94769AC-48F4-11D6-BA92-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <9F9158E2-4918-11D6-BA92-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Friday, April 5, 2002, at 05:24 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

>> I think Xtalk should follow normal programming convent and have 
>> mod reject non-integer values.
>
> The definition from Knuth's _Fundamental Algorithms_ is this:
>
> x mod y = x - y * floor( x/y ) if y is not 0
> x mod 0 = x
> where x and y are real numbers

Of course, that is not a programming language in itself.  But these 
are...

Pascal       (Jensen & Wirth)    integer X integer --> integer
MODULA-2     (Wirth)             integer X integer --> integer
PostScript   (Adobe)             integer X integer --> integer
Common Lisp  (Steele)            number X number --> number
Tcl          (Ousterhout)        real X real --> real (fmod())
C            (Harbison & Steele) double X double --> double (fmod())
Mathematica  (Wolfram)           number X number --> number
LabView                          number X number --> number (Q&R)

(Some of these have slightly differing meanings.)

I don't think we can say there is a convention.

If the Revolution mod function works as expected for two positive 
whole numbers (less than 15 digits), what do we care if it does 
something useful for other numbers?

Dar Scott






From webmaster at studioalice.se  Sat Apr  6 03:43:01 2002
From: webmaster at studioalice.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Magnus_von_Br=F6msen?=)
Date: Sat Apr  6 03:43:01 2002
Subject: List Field and Ask Dialog
Message-ID: <10B1E7A2-493A-11D6-9DFA-003065CCBD1A@studioalice.se>

Hello

I have a List Field with some lines of text. When clicking a line I want 
the Ask dialog shown, fill in a number and have that number put in (with 
a tab) after the last word of the line.

1. This script in the Text Field works:

on mouseUp
   put tab & "1" after the last word of the selectedText -- the number 
"1" is an test
end mouseUp


2. But if I add the Ask-dialog:

on mouseUp
   ask "How many?"
   put tab & it after the last word of the selectedText
end mouseUp

I have this error:

Chunk: no target found
--------------------
put tab & it after the last word of the selectedText
--------------------
Value: mouseUp

I have tried a lot of different ways (clickText, clickLine, 
selectedLine...) but always the same error: "Chunk: no target found"

Anyone having a solution? An idea? All help will be appreciated!

Thanks.
Magnus von Br?msen



From drvaughan55 at mac.com  Sat Apr  6 04:12:01 2002
From: drvaughan55 at mac.com (David Vaughan)
Date: Sat Apr  6 04:12:01 2002
Subject: List Field and Ask Dialog
In-Reply-To: <10B1E7A2-493A-11D6-9DFA-003065CCBD1A@studioalice.se>
Message-ID: <2998B33D-493E-11D6-B19D-000393598038@mac.com>

Magnus

Without giving you the text of the answer, your problem is that in your 
test case you have already selected a line in the field so the chunk 
("selectedText") is valid. After the ask dialog that field is no longer 
selected so any chunk address fails.

You need to note the line you selected before the ask dialog and then 
reselect it before doing the put statement.

regards
David

On Saturday, April 6, 2002, at 06:41 , Magnus von Br?msen wrote:

> Hello
>
> I have a List Field with some lines of text. When clicking a line I 
> want the Ask dialog shown, fill in a number and have that number put in 
> (with a tab) after the last word of the line.
>
> 1. This script in the Text Field works:
>
> on mouseUp
>   put tab & "1" after the last word of the selectedText -- the number 
> "1" is an test
> end mouseUp
>
>
> 2. But if I add the Ask-dialog:
>
> on mouseUp
>   ask "How many?"
>   put tab & it after the last word of the selectedText
> end mouseUp
>
> I have this error:
>
> Chunk: no target found
> --------------------
> put tab & it after the last word of the selectedText
> --------------------
> Value: mouseUp
>
> I have tried a lot of different ways (clickText, clickLine, 
> selectedLine...) but always the same error: "Chunk: no target found"
>
> Anyone having a solution? An idea? All help will be appreciated!
>
> Thanks.
> Magnus von Br?msen
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From jeanne at runrev.com  Sat Apr  6 04:57:01 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Sat Apr  6 04:57:01 2002
Subject: Jeanne...revAppVersion doesn't work?
In-Reply-To: <00b901c1dcd5$a722e030$7c00a8c0@mckinley.dom>
References: <v03130316b8d31119a8e8@[216.99.192.214]>
Message-ID: <v03130328b8d45f8e451a@[216.99.192.214]>

At 11:11 AM -0800 4/5/2002, Ken Ray wrote:
>Jeanne, I'm sorry, but go to the "<>", "<=", and ">=" entry in the docs. It
>still shows a box character there. (I'm using the release version of 1.1.1.)
>I tried the 'set the revDocsPlatform of stack "revDocs" to "Windows"' trick,
>but it didn't change anything.

Yes, that's a separate problem. (What Chipp is talking about is a problem
where apostrophes don't get converted - I'm still trying to track down why
that's showing up for him.)

The problem is that the characters option-L, option-<, option->, and
option-=, which are part of the language on Mac OS and OS X systems, have
no equivalent in the character set used for Windows and Unix, so there's
nothing to convert them to. They need to be in the dictionary, but there's
no way to display these characters on Windows or Unix.

I'm not exactly sure what to do about this. On the one hand, I don't want
to hide them altogether since they are valid parts of the language (albeit
not on all platforms, and there's a warning not to use them because of
that). On the other hand, a box is not a terribly useful representation of
the character either.

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From jeanne at runrev.com  Sat Apr  6 04:57:15 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Sat Apr  6 04:57:15 2002
Subject: Jeanne...revAppVersion doesn't work?
In-Reply-To: <MPELJJGBBDPBNCHJHAOOKEDPCGAA.chipp@chipp.com>
References: <v03130318b8d332d996f2@[216.99.192.214]>
Message-ID: <v03130329b8d460a48645@[216.99.192.214]>

At 11:39 AM -0800 4/5/2002, Chipp Walters wrote:
>Thanks for the sharedtext tip. Worked great. I'm now having problems with
>the group copy not retaining checkbox state of checkbox buttons. Any other
>suggestions?

Is sharedHilite on?

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From jeanne at runrev.com  Sat Apr  6 04:57:20 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Sat Apr  6 04:57:20 2002
Subject: List Field and Ask Dialog
In-Reply-To: <10B1E7A2-493A-11D6-9DFA-003065CCBD1A@studioalice.se>
Message-ID: <v0313032ab8d475325acb@[216.99.192.214]>

At 12:41 AM -0800 4/6/2002, Magnus von Br?msen wrote:
>on mouseUp
>   ask "How many?"
>   put tab & it after the last word of the selectedText
>end mouseUp
>
>I have this error:
>
>Chunk: no target found
>--------------------
>put tab & it after the last word of the selectedText
>--------------------
>Value: mouseUp


Try this:

  on mouseUp
    ask "How many?"
    if it is not empty then put tab & it after the selectedLine
  end mouseUp

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From webmaster at studioalice.se  Sat Apr  6 05:42:00 2002
From: webmaster at studioalice.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Magnus_von_Br=F6msen?=)
Date: Sat Apr  6 05:42:00 2002
Subject: List Field and Ask Dialog
In-Reply-To: <2998B33D-493E-11D6-B19D-000393598038@mac.com>
Message-ID: <9F0BD87A-494A-11D6-A3E1-003065CCBD1A@studioalice.se>

On l?rdag, april 6, 2002, at 11:10 , David Vaughan wrote:
> You need to note the line you selected before the ask dialog and then 
> reselect it before doing the put statement.

David,
I rewrite the script:

on mouseUp
   put the selectedText into vLine -- saving the text
   ask "How many?" with "1"
   put it into vNumber
   select vLine -- select  the text in the Text Field again. Don't seems 
to work
   put tab & vNumber after the last word of the selectedText
end mouseUp

This time (at least) there is another error:

Chunk: error in object expression
--------------------
select vLine
--------------------



Jeanne,
I get the old error (Chunk: no target found) when trying this:

on mouseUp
     ask "How many?"
     if it is not empty then put tab & it after the selectedLine
   end mouseUp


Thanks
>
>
>
> On Saturday, April 6, 2002, at 06:41 , Magnus von Br?msen wrote:
>
>> Hello
>>
>> I have a List Field with some lines of text. When clicking a line I 
>> want the Ask dialog shown, fill in a number and have that number put 
>> in (with a tab) after the last word of the line.
>>
>> 1. This script in the Text Field works:
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>   put tab & "1" after the last word of the selectedText -- the number 
>> "1" is an test
>> end mouseUp
>>
>>
>> 2. But if I add the Ask-dialog:
>>
>> on mouseUp
>>   ask "How many?"
>>   put tab & it after the last word of the selectedText
>> end mouseUp
>>
>> I have this error:
>>
>> Chunk: no target found
>> --------------------
>> put tab & it after the last word of the selectedText
>> --------------------
>> Value: mouseUp
>>
>> I have tried a lot of different ways (clickText, clickLine, 
>> selectedLine...) but always the same error: "Chunk: no target found"
>>
>> Anyone having a solution? An idea? All help will be appreciated!
>>
>> Thanks.
>> Magnus von Br?msen
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Sat Apr  6 06:04:00 2002
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (Ludovic Th=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=E9?=bault)
Date: Sat Apr  6 06:04:00 2002
Subject: How use shell on MacOS X ?
Message-ID: <20020406130049.3FD372%00000000@laposte.net>

Why the shell command doesn't works with MacOS X ?


-- 
Ludovic THEBAULT
(Sorry for my poooor english :-)


From drvaughan55 at mac.com  Sat Apr  6 06:39:01 2002
From: drvaughan55 at mac.com (David Vaughan)
Date: Sat Apr  6 06:39:01 2002
Subject: List Field and Ask Dialog
In-Reply-To: <9F0BD87A-494A-11D6-A3E1-003065CCBD1A@studioalice.se>
Message-ID: <B1A3ABF5-4952-11D6-B19D-000393598038@mac.com>

On Saturday, April 6, 2002, at 08:39 , Magnus von Br?msen wrote:

>
> On l?rdag, april 6, 2002, at 11:10 , David Vaughan wrote:
>> You need to note the line you selected before the ask dialog and then 
>> reselect it before doing the put statement.
>
> David,
> I rewrite the script:
>
> on mouseUp
>   put the selectedText into vLine -- saving the text
>   ask "How many?" with "1"
>   put it into vNumber
>   select vLine -- select  the text in the Text Field again. Don't seems 
> to work
>   put tab & vNumber after the last word of the selectedText
> end mouseUp

Magnus

I checked this and it worked on a List field with LockText true

on mouseUp
   put the selectedLine into sLine
   ask "how many" with "1"
   select sLine
   put tab & it after the selectedLine
end mouseUp

regards
David
>
> This time (at least) there is another error:
>
> Chunk: error in object expression
> --------------------
> select vLine
> --------------------
>
>
>
> Jeanne,
> I get the old error (Chunk: no target found) when trying this:
>
> on mouseUp
>     ask "How many?"
>     if it is not empty then put tab & it after the selectedLine
>   end mouseUp
>
>
> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, April 6, 2002, at 06:41 , Magnus von Br?msen wrote:
>>
>>> Hello
>>>
>>> I have a List Field with some lines of text. When clicking a line I 
>>> want the Ask dialog shown, fill in a number and have that number put 
>>> in (with a tab) after the last word of the line.
>>>
>>> 1. This script in the Text Field works:
>>>
>>> on mouseUp
>>>   put tab & "1" after the last word of the selectedText -- the number 
>>> "1" is an test
>>> end mouseUp
>>>
>>>
>>> 2. But if I add the Ask-dialog:
>>>
>>> on mouseUp
>>>   ask "How many?"
>>>   put tab & it after the last word of the selectedText
>>> end mouseUp
>>>
>>> I have this error:
>>>
>>> Chunk: no target found
>>> --------------------
>>> put tab & it after the last word of the selectedText
>>> --------------------
>>> Value: mouseUp
>>>
>>> I have tried a lot of different ways (clickText, clickLine, 
>>> selectedLine...) but always the same error: "Chunk: no target found"
>>>
>>> Anyone having a solution? An idea? All help will be appreciated!
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> Magnus von Br?msen
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> use-revolution mailing list
>>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From guillaume_reys at mac.com  Sat Apr  6 06:40:01 2002
From: guillaume_reys at mac.com (Guillaume Reys)
Date: Sat Apr  6 06:40:01 2002
Subject: MySQL and revolution
In-Reply-To: <200204052208.RAA20195@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <DE8F7AB0-4952-11D6-8B0B-0003931E245A@mac.com>

I've never use Database mySQL before OS X
I have friends who works on UNIX and they say it is much more fast and 
easier than using a self made database.
I made a program 10 years ago on HyperCard and I would like to put it on 
a database like My SQL.
Is it possible to enter the data via Revolution ?
How ?
Thanks.

Guillaume (France)



From sjoerdoptland at mac.com  Sat Apr  6 07:30:02 2002
From: sjoerdoptland at mac.com (Sjoerd Op 't Land)
Date: Sat Apr  6 07:30:02 2002
Subject: rev conference
In-Reply-To: <p05101514b8d244f02cff@[128.187.82.150]>
Message-ID: <B8D49E5F.47DC%sjoerdoptland@mac.com>

Devin Asay wrote/ schreef:

> <snip>
> To get an idea 
> of your level of interest, tick one of the items below:
> 
> ( ) I will definitely come to a Revolution workshop at Macworld NY.
> 
> ( ) I would consider coming to a Revolution workshop at Macworld NY.
> 
> (x) Other:
I won't come because NY is too far (read: too expensive) for student like
me. Are there any people interested in attending such a conference in
Europe? I'd be willing to organise this if there is enough support to do
this in Holland.

> Thanks. I think this could be a great thing for the Rev community if
> it comes off.
> 
> Devin
Regards, / Groeten,
Sjoerd



From jeanne at runrev.com  Sat Apr  6 09:55:01 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Sat Apr  6 09:55:01 2002
Subject: List Field and Ask Dialog
In-Reply-To: <9F0BD87A-494A-11D6-A3E1-003065CCBD1A@studioalice.se>
References: <2998B33D-493E-11D6-B19D-000393598038@mac.com>
Message-ID: <v0313032bb8d4aaebf9f0@[216.99.192.214]>

At 2:39 AM -0800 4/6/2002, Magnus von Br?msen wrote:
>I get the old error (Chunk: no target found) when trying this:
>
>  on mouseUp
>     ask "How many?"
>     if it is not empty then put tab & it after the selectedLine
>   end mouseUp

You may need to set the button's traversalOn to false. (This avoids losing
the selection when you click the button.)

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From mark at bcesouth.com  Sat Apr  6 11:20:00 2002
From: mark at bcesouth.com (BCE)
Date: Sat Apr  6 11:20:00 2002
Subject: a supplemental newbies forum area
References: <B94769AC-48F4-11D6-BA92-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c1dd86$a7d9a7a0$c3423942@nc.rr.com>

Hey everyone, I created a YaBB board here for your use:

http://www.mailping.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi

If it gets used I'll maintain it and possibly move it to it's own domain.
You'll need to register to post, but you can browse as a guest.  It's brand
new, just launched today, so please visit and post!  Hope you enjoy!

Mark




From rcozens at pon.net  Sat Apr  6 11:38:01 2002
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Sat Apr  6 11:38:01 2002
Subject: MOD function does not work!  So be warned!
In-Reply-To: <B8D39769.54BB8%michael@GreppyDreppies.com>
References: <B8D39769.54BB8%michael@GreppyDreppies.com>
Message-ID: <a05100300b8d4d2f0f3f5@[216.229.107.147]>

>One problem is what is an integer?
>

I would define an integer as any non-decimal number within the range 
of numbers supported by the interpreter.

>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xtalks/

Thank you, Michael.  I'm waiting confirmation of my subscription as I 
write this.
-- 

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)


From dsc at swcp.com  Sat Apr  6 12:08:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sat Apr  6 12:08:01 2002
Subject: How use shell on MacOS X ?
In-Reply-To: <20020406130049.3FD372%00000000@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <0CA15F51-4980-11D6-965C-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Saturday, April 6, 2002, at 04:00 AM, Ludovic Th?bault wrote:

> Why the shell command doesn't works with MacOS X ?

I don't know why.  I hope it will soon.

In the mean time you might want to try this function that uses 
AppleScript.  I mentioned it on the list a couple weeks ago.  I 
have only used it a few times.

> I know nothing about AppleScript, but with a tiny bit of fooling 
> around I came up with this:
>
> function shellSH cmd
>   -- Sorry, no quote marks in cmd in this version
>   -- And shellCommand is ignored
>   put "do shell script" & quote & cmd & quote into s
>   do s as AppleScript
>   put result() into r
>   replace numToChar(13) with linefeed in r
>   return r
> end shellSH
>
> This uses sh and not tcsh that the Terminal program uses.

With out the replace command, the end-of-line sequence in returned 
text would be a single carriage return character.  This function 
replaces it with linefeed, the standard Revolution end-of-line 
symbol.

I had to use full paths when I used this.

Since I have hardly used this, I don't know all the problems 
involved with using this function.  Perhaps others have found some.

Dar Scott




From karlpet at mac.com  Sat Apr  6 12:26:01 2002
From: karlpet at mac.com (Karl Petersen)
Date: Sat Apr  6 12:26:01 2002
Subject: Hilite Color disobeyed
Message-ID: <p05100300b8d4db59f9e6@[192.168.1.202]>

It's not uncommon for the Mac's text-selection Hilite Color to be 
disobeyed in stacks, standalones and development windows (e.g. the 
script editor.) Instead, Rev uses a very dark grey color when 
selecting text, which makes the selected text almost impossible to 
read.

Is there a workaround? Is there a setting I've missed? A problem with 
Platinum appearance in Mac OS 9.1? RunRev doesn't like Plum?

All my other apps work just fine.

Karl



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sat Apr  6 13:16:00 2002
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat Apr  6 13:16:00 2002
Subject: Bad Chars in Rev Docs (was 'Re: Jeanne...revAppVersion doesn't work?')
References: <v03130316b8d31119a8e8@[216.99.192.214]> <v03130328b8d45f8e451a@[216.99.192.214]>
Message-ID: <006401c1dd96$9242aa80$400e48a6@mckinley.dom>

Jeanne,

> The problem is that the characters option-L, option-<, option->, and
> option-=, which are part of the language on Mac OS and OS X systems, have
> no equivalent in the character set used for Windows and Unix, so there's
> nothing to convert them to. They need to be in the dictionary, but there's
> no way to display these characters on Windows or Unix.

There's also option-= as well, which doesn't display properly. But you CAN
display them under Windows by using the Symbol font:

option-< is numToChar(163)
option-> is numToChar(179)
option-= is numToChar(185)
option-L is numToChar(216)

I know it's a pain to switch fonts for certain characters, but its the only
way I can see it being done.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/



From dsc at swcp.com  Sat Apr  6 13:46:00 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sat Apr  6 13:46:00 2002
Subject: [OT humor] Learning Revolution Skills
Message-ID: <AA71EB5A-498D-11D6-965C-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

My children have caught the Revolution bug.  I have told them that 
if they work on their Revolution skills I'll contract some stack 
design to them.

Even so, I was caught off-guard.

My wife and the kids were making a lot of noise in the kitchen.  I 
asked what was going on.  My wife turned to me me and said loudly 
in her best tough-girl French-Russian accent, "We are working on 
their revolution skills!"  And then turned to her "crowd" thrust 
her fist into the air and shouted, "Brothers and sisters, unite!"

Dar Scott



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Sat Apr  6 14:13:01 2002
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Sat Apr  6 14:13:01 2002
Subject: Bad Chars in Rev Docs (was 'Re: Jeanne...revAppVersion
	doesn't work?')
In-Reply-To: <006401c1dd96$9242aa80$400e48a6@mckinley.dom>
Message-ID: <B8D4897E.2A95%pixelbird@interisland.net>

on 4/6/02 10:12 AM, Ken Ray at kray at sonsothunder.com wrote:

> There's also option-= as well, which doesn't display properly. But you CAN
> display them under Windows by using the Symbol font:
> 
> option-< is numToChar(163)
> option-> is numToChar(179)
> option-= is numToChar(185)
> option-L is numToChar(216)
> 
> I know it's a pain to switch fonts for certain characters, but its the only
> way I can see it being done.
----------
Thanks people. I am still working (as Ihave time) on my virtual keyboard
(for the disabled). The thing will do many actions, have many adjustable
features and feedback, and be shareware.

Font manipulation, in the case of onscreen keyboards especially, is an issue
in a cross-platform situation. Although I've been told that a piece of
software should be identical in all platforms, I'm beginning to see that may
not be what I should be doing, i.e., I should take advantage of whatever
will help the user on whatever platform they use. I intend to offer
distribution on all platforms available on the same CD ROM. I don't see a
way to make them all identical in operation and still take advantage of the
uniqueness of each os.


From dsc at swcp.com  Sat Apr  6 15:13:02 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sat Apr  6 15:13:02 2002
Subject: MOD function does not work!  So be warned!
In-Reply-To: <B94769AC-48F4-11D6-BA92-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <DCA2F534-4999-11D6-965C-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Friday, April 5, 2002, at 05:24 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

> The definition from Knuth's _Fundamental Algorithms_ is this:
>
> x mod y = x - y * floor( x/y ) if y is not 0
> x mod 0 = x
> where x and y are real numbers

I can't believe I'm contributing to the beating on mod.

Actually, there are two real areas of concern with mod that have 
nothing to do with approximate representation of floating point 
numbers.  These are not cause for changing the function, but areas 
where good understanding and documentation can help.

1. mod vs rem
Many people make a distinction between the modulus function and the 
remainder function:
x rem y = x - y * trunc( x/y )

Where modulus uses floor(), remainder uses trunc().

In language references you will sometimes find where mod is 
described a comment like this: "...(actually the remainder 
function)...".  In other references for languages that have both 
functions you will find phrases like "... in contrast to the rem 
function...".

The Revolution mod function is actually remainder (based on the 
above definitions).

Revolution is in good company.  I think Tcl and ANSI C define mod 
and fmod respectively as remainder functions.

The difference between modulus and remainder shows up when 
arguments are negative.  This can be a surprise in some 
applications of mod.  Suppose you have a card that is treated as a 
cylinder and you use mod to adjust the x position of a control to 
keep it on the card; falling off the left does not move the control 
to the right as one might expect.

(Perhaps the best way to show that mod is remainder in 
documentation is to include some negative numbers in examples.)

2. x mod 0
What should this do?

Knuth and traditional C say return x.  I think Knuth did this so 
that x mod y = 0 means "x is a multiple of y."

Many languages say error.  Error is an option in ANSI C (or was in '89).

Some languages say return 0.  Zero is an option in ANSI C ('89).  
An argument can be made for this.

What does Revolution do?  Error.  If y can get small or you need 
isMultipleOf(), check for y=0.

(A single line in doc examples can get this across.  The caveat 
currently in the 1.1.1 Transcript Dictionary is good, too.)

3. Mathematical modulus
(An extra wisecrack)

Though the mathematical function modulus is related to modulo 
arithmetic, it has taken on a life on its own.  Because of it this 
it might be debatable as to whether it only applies to integers (or 
even positive numbers) in general.

(Nevertheless, a warning relating to the representation limitations 
of large numbers or numbers with fractional parts is appropriate, 
especially in relation to functions like mod and trunc() that have 
discontinuities.)

Dar Scott





From tsimmons at employmentlawadvisors.com  Sat Apr  6 15:30:01 2002
From: tsimmons at employmentlawadvisors.com (William T. Simmons)
Date: Sat Apr  6 15:30:01 2002
Subject: [OT humor] Learning Revolution Skills
References: <AA71EB5A-498D-11D6-965C-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <003701c1dda9$a3bf2870$0000a398@sndmgr122>

Great story!
Tommy Simmons
Employment Law Advisory Network
www.employmentlawadvisors.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dar Scott" <dsc at swcp.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 12:39 PM
Subject: [OT humor] Learning Revolution Skills


> My children have caught the Revolution bug.  I have told them that 
> if they work on their Revolution skills I'll contract some stack 
> design to them.
> 
> Even so, I was caught off-guard.
> 
> My wife and the kids were making a lot of noise in the kitchen.  I 
> asked what was going on.  My wife turned to me me and said loudly 
> in her best tough-girl French-Russian accent, "We are working on 
> their revolution skills!"  And then turned to her "crowd" thrust 
> her fist into the air and shouted, "Brothers and sisters, unite!"
> 
> Dar Scott



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sat Apr  6 15:35:01 2002
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Sat Apr  6 15:35:01 2002
Subject: mainstack and substack
Message-ID: <p05100300b8d50b8f2596@[10.0.1.201]>

Hello,

I have a mainstack with many substacks.
I'd like to change making one of the substacks the main stack and the 
actually main a substack.
How to proceed ?
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From chipp at chipp.com  Sat Apr  6 17:42:01 2002
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sat Apr  6 17:42:01 2002
Subject: Jeanne...revAppVersion doesn't work?
In-Reply-To: <BBEIJJIICJJBOLMBODHCMELECIAA.chipp@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <BBEIJJIICJJBOLMBODHCIEMPCIAA.chipp@chipp.com>

>
> Also, I hate to be a crab about it...but the help files still have the
> problem with apostrophe's on Windows. I know it's created for Macs, but
> can't someone figure out how to automatically convert the apostrophe's for
> windows? It kills all the links to help troubleshooter files.
>

Jeanne,

I checked out the latest version, and you are indeed correct. The apostrophe
problem is not there. It appears even though I installed the RR1.1.1 do a
different folder, it still used the help files (and the IDE?) from the older
installation (probably a registy thing). In any case, I updated my RevCorral
plugin (http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Plugins.htm) to now
display RevAppVersion(),Version(), and BuildNumber() on startup so I'll know
what I'm working with!

BTW, do you know why you can't set the loc of the answer? In SC you used to
be able to:

answer "Thank-you" at screenloc()

but it doens't work that way in RR. Just wondering.

-Chipp



From chipp at chipp.com  Sat Apr  6 17:46:01 2002
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Sat Apr  6 17:46:01 2002
Subject: Today's stupid question
In-Reply-To: <001a01c1dca4$5070c6c0$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>
Message-ID: <BBEIJJIICJJBOLMBODHCOEMPCIAA.chipp@chipp.com>

You can try setting the SharedText property to true for a field and it will
display the same text on every card. If you change the style of the text on
one card, it will be displayed the same on them all.

If you mean changing the text style on all cards, you might look at creating
a custom profile. That way, when you change a profile, all the text styles
can change.

Or, you can set the text programatically in a repeat loop for each card.

-Chipp

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Michael Foy
> Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 7:18 AM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Today's stupid question
>
>
> You all sighed with relief yesterday, when I didn't ask a
> question so I get
> two today :-)
>
> I now have some cards with a grouped field with text in it, is
> there any way
> I can apply a change of font( bold etc), that will affect/effect all the
> text on all the cards, it seems that the contents of the cards, be it text
> or text attributes have to be dealt with on a card by card basis
>
>
> miock
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Sat Apr  6 19:48:01 2002
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Sat Apr  6 19:48:01 2002
Subject: Jeanne...revAppVersion doesn't work?
In-Reply-To: <BBEIJJIICJJBOLMBODHCIEMPCIAA.chipp@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <B8D4D80B.2AAF%pixelbird@interisland.net>

on 4/6/02 3:41 PM, Chipp Walters at chipp at chipp.com wrote:

> I checked out the latest version, and you are indeed correct. The apostrophe
> problem is not there. It appears even though I installed the RR1.1.1 do a
> different folder, it still used the help files (and the IDE?) from the older
> installation (probably a registy thing). In any case, I updated my RevCorral
> plugin (http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Plugins.htm) to now
> display RevAppVersion(),Version(), and BuildNumber() on startup so I'll know
> what I'm working with!
----------
Since all my Rev stack files are outside the main Rev folder, would it be
recommended to trash the folder before I DL the new version (my poor little
drive is getting very full)?

BTW, I added a new SanDisk reader and a 128 mb flash card to use as Virtual
Memory in my PB 1400. I can't get the Memory control panel to show anything
but the HD, but yet it appears to be being used as such anyway. Any thoughts
what might be happening with that?

Thanks,
Ken N.



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Sat Apr  6 20:15:02 2002
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Sat Apr  6 20:15:02 2002
Subject: Image still cut off/menubar problem
In-Reply-To: <BBEIJJIICJJBOLMBODHCIEMPCIAA.chipp@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <B8D4DE79.2AB0%pixelbird@interisland.net>

Hi there,

Mac PB 1400c, 133mhz, 48 mb, OS 8.6, SanDisk Flash memory 128 mb with 120 mb
available for additional virtual RAM, RR 1.1b1

Three problems:

1) The full screen image I put in is still cut off at the top where the task
buttons are. The image is mostly there, but it's pushed down. I've never
seen anything like this before.

When I push it back up into position, more of the top gets cut off. I tried
sizing it's rect to the screen size (0,0,600,800 in this case) this way:

on preOpenStack
 set the rect of image "VirtualKeyboard" to 0,0,600,800
end preOpenStack

...because I understood that's how to do it, but it doesn't work. Should I
quote the rect dim's (the docs say not)?

2) I'm still having some kind of mental hangup with understanding the
conceptual difference between HC's 'Background' and Rev's 'Groups' (might
there be a way to plot this graphically so I can see what's actually
happening?). If I want the image to appear throughout the main stack, i.e.,
on all the cards, how do I implement that? How will that affect the problem
with it getting cut off at the top?

3) What do I do to hide the menubarin Rev (I looked for a solution and
couldn't find anything in the docs)? I couldn't use the trusty manual method
used by most Mac apps either (cmd/space).

Thanks,
Ken N.



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Sat Apr  6 20:38:01 2002
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Sat Apr  6 20:38:01 2002
Subject: RR now charging royalities for runtimes?
In-Reply-To: <B8D251A9.2282D%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <B8D4E3B5.2AB3%pixelbird@interisland.net>

Just a note, my .02 worth:

Note: I didn't read every single post on this thread, so if anyone else
already stated the obvious, I apologise.

I wouldn't think, in Scotland or anywhere else in the UK, or the U.S., or
any European countries, that anyone can legally overwrite a previous
agreement. I reread my agreement, the one I got my license with, and there
is no wording that looks even remotely like RR Ltd has the right to change
it without permission, any more than I can change it without permission.

They can issue a new agreement for licensees _after_ the current agreement
runs out, one year from the date of the agreement, but they cannot enforce
any changes to the current one without _both_ parties agreeing to do so. I
believe that would be illegal and unenforceable anywhere in the world.

So, the conclusion must be that none of the changes matter at all to
previous licensees _until_ their licenses run out.

Sincerely,
Ken N.



From webmaster at studioalice.se  Sun Apr  7 01:18:01 2002
From: webmaster at studioalice.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Magnus_von_Br=F6msen?=)
Date: Sun Apr  7 01:18:01 2002
Subject: List Field and Ask Dialog
In-Reply-To: <B1A3ABF5-4952-11D6-B19D-000393598038@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E37DD2E2-49EE-11D6-8357-003065CCBD1A@studioalice.se>

Many thanks David
I did the same test as you -- and that works fine!?!. Then I went back 
to my original text field to find what is wrong.

For some reason I had deselect "Can Recive Keyboard focus". I dont now 
why...

Thanks for all help.

/magnus


On l?rdag, april 6, 2002, at 01:37 , David Vaughan wrote:
>
> Magnus
>
> I checked this and it worked on a List field with LockText true
>
> on mouseUp
>   put the selectedLine into sLine
>   ask "how many" with "1"
>   select sLine
>   put tab & it after the selectedLine
> end mouseUp
>
> regards
> David
>>



From bmmeili at swissonline.ch  Sun Apr  7 05:51:00 2002
From: bmmeili at swissonline.ch (meili)
Date: Sun Apr  7 05:51:00 2002
Subject: List Field and Ask Dialogue
Message-ID: <B8D5E2CA.C3A%bmmeili@swissonline.ch>

Hi Magnus
the following script does the trick (as many others, too??)

on mouseup
  put the clickline into ClickLineHolder
  put word 2 of ClickLineHolder into ClickLineHolder
  ask "How many?" with "1"
  put tab & it after line ClickLineHolder of me
end mouseup

Cheers
Martin



From k_major at osnabrueck.netsurf.de  Sun Apr  7 08:00:01 2002
From: k_major at osnabrueck.netsurf.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Sun Apr  7 08:00:01 2002
Subject: Image still cut off/menubar problem
In-Reply-To: <B8D4DE79.2AB0%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <EA7EF412-4A1E-11D6-801C-000A27B49A96@osnabrueck.netsurf.de>

Hi Ken,

> Hi there,
>
> Mac PB 1400c, 133mhz, 48 mb, OS 8.6, SanDisk Flash memory 128 mb with 
> 120 mb
> available for additional virtual RAM, RR 1.1b1
>
> Three problems:
>
> 1) The full screen image I put in is still cut off at the top where the 
> task
> buttons are. The image is mostly there, but it's pushed down. I've never
> seen anything like this before.
>
> When I push it back up into position, more of the top gets cut off. I 
> tried
> sizing it's rect to the screen size (0,0,600,800 in this case) this way:
>
> on preOpenStack
>  set the rect of image "VirtualKeyboard" to 0,0,600,800
> end preOpenStack
>
> ...because I understood that's how to do it, but it doesn't work. 
> Should I
> quote the rect dim's (the docs say not)?

just a quick thought...

Is the image part of a group and is the "lock location" of this group 
set to true ?

If yes, that explains the mistery...


Have a nice sunday...


Klaus Major
k_major at osnabrueck.netsurf.de



From michael at GreppyDreppies.com  Sun Apr  7 09:27:01 2002
From: michael at GreppyDreppies.com (Michael D Mays)
Date: Sun Apr  7 09:27:01 2002
Subject: MOD function does not work!  So be warned!
In-Reply-To: <a05100300b8d4d2f0f3f5@[216.229.107.147]>
Message-ID: <B8D5B2D2.55DD4%michael@GreppyDreppies.com>

Actually the answer to my question is that there is no such thing as an
integer in xTalk. Any string which could be a number which seems to act like
an integer is a binary real which has an exact decimal representation during
computation. You can't define a range for an integer if your language does
not have the concept of type.

What I was trying to say is that an integer to a lot of people is a whole
number in the range of +/- infinity. If they add zero to a large integer and
the result is another large integer they are upset. Just like those people
who summed ten tenths and didn't get one.

This isn't a large problem in the since that most xTalk programmers aren't
going to be writing programs where they will encounter these situations.

The large problem I see is if an xTalk were ones first language one would be
ignorant of computer numerics.

michael

Rob Cozens of rcozens at pon.net wrote the following on 4/6/02 10:32 AM

>> One problem is what is an integer?
>> 
> 
> I would define an integer as any non-decimal number within the range
> of numbers supported by the interpreter.



From lmartin4 at mac.com  Sun Apr  7 09:40:01 2002
From: lmartin4 at mac.com (Luke Martin)
Date: Sun Apr  7 09:40:01 2002
Subject: how to launch an application in Mac OS X?
Message-ID: <CBEF26A7-4A2C-11D6-9331-000A27A87CDE@mac.com>

I am running Mac OS X 10.1.3. What is the proper way to launch an 
application in Mac OS X (i.e. QuickTime Player)?

Cheers
Luke



From jeanne at runrev.com  Sun Apr  7 09:45:01 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Sun Apr  7 09:45:01 2002
Subject: Bad Chars in Rev Docs (was 'Re: Jeanne...revAppVersion
 doesn't work?')
In-Reply-To: <006401c1dd96$9242aa80$400e48a6@mckinley.dom>
References: <v03130316b8d31119a8e8@[216.99.192.214]>
 <v03130328b8d45f8e451a@[216.99.192.214]>
Message-ID: <v03130335b8d5fb544f48@[216.99.192.214]>

At 11:12 AM -0700 4/6/2002, Ken Ray wrote:
>There's also option-= as well, which doesn't display properly. But you CAN
>display them under Windows by using the Symbol font

Thanks for the suggestion - I'll look into it. It ought not to be too
difficult to do this for the next version of the docs. (I suppose a Windows
machine might not have the Symbol font installed, but it seems the worst
case would just have the characters displayed as boxes, which is what we've
got now....)

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From jeanne at runrev.com  Sun Apr  7 09:46:00 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Sun Apr  7 09:46:00 2002
Subject: Hilite Color disobeyed
In-Reply-To: <p05100300b8d4db59f9e6@[192.168.1.202]>
Message-ID: <v03130334b8d5fadd3369@[216.99.192.214]>

At 10:24 AM -0700 4/6/2002, Karl Petersen wrote:
>It's not uncommon for the Mac's text-selection Hilite Color to be
>disobeyed in stacks, standalones and development windows (e.g. the
>script editor.) Instead, Rev uses a very dark grey color when
>selecting text, which makes the selected text almost impossible to
>read.

I've seen this too, intermittently, and it's a known problem (which I
should have put in the release notes). I think it was determined that this
is an engine buglet. I'm not sure when it will be addressed.

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From rpresender at mail.earthlink.net  Sun Apr  7 10:31:01 2002
From: rpresender at mail.earthlink.net (Robert Presender)
Date: Sun Apr  7 10:31:01 2002
Subject: mainstack and substack
Message-ID: <a05100300b8d60509307f@[67.219.86.158]>

Yves wrote:
Hello,

I have a mainstack with many substacks.
I'd like to change making one of the substacks the main stack and the 
actually main a substack.
How to proceed ?
-- 
 Hi,

Suggest you use the Application Overview:

With your stack file selected, expand the overview window.
Then click 'show stack mover'.
Select the stack you want to be the main from the list (source file).
Click 'select' (source file).

The new selected stack will be the main stack and the previous main stack is now a substack.

Regards ... Bob


From tonygrv at capital.net  Sun Apr  7 10:51:01 2002
From: tonygrv at capital.net (Tony Gravett)
Date: Sun Apr  7 10:51:01 2002
Subject: Another vote for PocketPC support!
Message-ID: <B8D5D4D6.6023%tonygrv@capital.net>

Recently, Kevin Miller wrote:

> However the other one [PocketPC] wouldn't be so hard and might well
> happen if we get enough requests.

The PocketPC is quickly becoming a very useful 'platform' for specialized
tools, many of which require custom software development and very fast-track
prototyping -- where Rev would really shine.

Please add my request to your list!  And congrats on 1.1.1!

Tony Gravett



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sun Apr  7 11:50:01 2002
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Sun Apr  7 11:50:01 2002
Subject: mainstack and substack
In-Reply-To: <a05100300b8d60509307f@[67.219.86.158]>
References: <a05100300b8d60509307f@[67.219.86.158]>
Message-ID: <p05100302b8d61a89fb1e@[10.0.1.201]>

>
>  Hi,
>
>Suggest you use the Application Overview:
>
>With your stack file selected, expand the overview window.
>Then click 'show stack mover'.
>Select the stack you want to be the main from the list (source file).
>Click 'select' (source file).
>
>The new selected stack will be the main stack and the previous main 
>stack is now a substack.
>
>Regards ... Bob
>_


Thanks. It was so easy ...
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From prodevm at yahoo.com  Sun Apr  7 12:15:01 2002
From: prodevm at yahoo.com (Steve L)
Date: Sun Apr  7 12:15:01 2002
Subject: Auto-remove blank lines in a list field
Message-ID: <20020407161407.39653.qmail@web20302.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello all,

I have a list field and I am trying to write a script
that upon "closeField" (or something appropriate),
will automatically check each line in the field and
remove/delete any blank lines in the list field; I
have tried this a ton of different ways using
variations of the repeat command, but have not been
able to make it work.

Thanks 

Steve

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax
http://taxes.yahoo.com/


From dsc at swcp.com  Sun Apr  7 12:50:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sun Apr  7 12:50:01 2002
Subject: MOD function does not work!  So be warned!
In-Reply-To: <B8D5B2D2.55DD4%michael@GreppyDreppies.com>
Message-ID: <995401A4-4A46-11D6-BB4A-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Sunday, April 7, 2002, at 07:24 AM, Michael D Mays wrote:

> Actually the answer to my question is that there is no such thing as an
> integer in xTalk. Any string which could be a number which seems 
> to act like
> an integer is a binary real which has an exact decimal 
> representation during
> computation. You can't define a range for an integer if your 
> language does
> not have the concept of type.

If an implementation did use an integer type for a particular range 
and then switched to floating point outside that range, how would 
we ever know?

> What I was trying to say is that an integer to a lot of people is 
> a whole
> number in the range of +/- infinity. If they add zero to a large 
> integer and
> the result is another large integer they are upset. Just like 
> those people
> who summed ten tenths and didn't get one.

Yes!  Most of us learn what an integer is early in mathematics 
education.  The computer language concept of integer type is 
related, but is not the same; it is computer jargon.

> This isn't a large problem in the since that most xTalk 
> programmers aren't
> going to be writing programs where they will encounter these 
> situations.

I have to defer to your judgment on this.  I wonder though, whether 
this is the case because those who tried went on to other 
applications or other environments after becoming frustrated.

I can imagine, though, a little stack to keep up with expense 
reports that reports after a couple months that reimbursements do 
not equal out-of-pocket expenses.

> The large problem I see is if an xTalk were ones first language 
> one would be
> ignorant of computer numerics.

This is why I would prefer to see limitations described in terms of 
numerals.

Or, if that cannot be done, then a safe zone and behavior within it 
described in simple terms using numerals (referring to number of 
digits and so on).  Anything outside that safe zone is for advanced 
users and can be described in technical jargon.

(What I would really prefer is numbers virtually based completely 
on numerals.)

As typical in any field, those of us who have paid the price to 
learn trade knowledge think it is easy and the right place to build 
concepts.  Moreover, sometimes we tend to think of those things as 
the "right" way to think about the world.  Or rights of passage 
into the priesthood.  Or, "you can't stay innocent forever, you 
will have to learn about the real world eventually."  Or, "when you 
get really good, you can graduate to C."

A script writer should be able to concentrate on a particular 
problem domain using commonly held knowledge.  At times that 
problem domain does involve computer numerics as in writing scripts 
to input or output data that involves those.  Those concepts belong 
only in those commands and functions and options that involve those.

Dar Scott





From steve at messimercomputing.com  Sun Apr  7 14:22:01 2002
From: steve at messimercomputing.com (Steve Messimer)
Date: Sun Apr  7 14:22:01 2002
Subject: Revolution Book
Message-ID: <B8D5F86A.2C8%steve@messimercomputing.com>

Hi,

I have been using RR daily now for months.  I continue to be happy with its
capabilities. The only thing that remains an issue for me is the lack of
printed documentation and / or third party books on the subject. It is clear
that there are additional sources of information because many of the
contributors to these lists seem to be extremely knowledgeable about
transcript and RR in general.  Where did these folks get this information?
Was it working w MetaCard? Is there some printed documentation available for
Metacard?

Don't get me  wrong.  I'm not angry about this, just frustrated.  Does
anybody know if there is there a book in the works. What we really need is a
book similar to Danny Goodman's "Complete HyperCard Handbook". That type of
book could make learning the intricacies of Transcript and Run Rev a lot
easier than randomly accessing the online help app or going to the lists.

Just my 2?.

Steve

-- 
Stephen R. Messimer, PA
Messimer Computing, Inc.
www.messimercomputing.com







From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sun Apr  7 14:27:00 2002
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Sun Apr  7 14:27:00 2002
Subject: Auto-remove blank lines in a list field
In-Reply-To: <20020407161407.39653.qmail@web20302.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20020407161407.39653.qmail@web20302.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p05100300b8d63e1646ca@[10.0.1.201]>

>Hello all,
>
>I have a list field and I am trying to write a script
>that upon "closeField" (or something appropriate),
>will automatically check each line in the field and
>remove/delete any blank lines in the list field; I
>have tried this a ton of different ways using
>variations of the repeat command, but have not been
>able to make it work.
>
>Thanks
>
>Steve


You must count down :

put the number of lines of fld "yourfldname" into totLines
repeat with x = totLines down to 1
    if line x of fld "yourfldname" is empty then
       delete line x of fld "yourfldname"
    end if
end repeat

hope this help.
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From BradAllen at mac.com  Sun Apr  7 14:54:01 2002
From: BradAllen at mac.com (Brad Allen)
Date: Sun Apr  7 14:54:01 2002
Subject: Auto-remove blank lines in a list field
In-Reply-To: <20020407161407.39653.qmail@web20302.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20020407161407.39653.qmail@web20302.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <a05101503b8d63d84bfbd@[207.13.30.31]>

There are several ways to delete blank lines.

Here's the most straightforward:

put the number of lines in myText into lineCount
repeat with i = lineCount down to 1
   if line i of myText is empty then delete line i of myText
end repeat

Here's another way, probably faster for large amounts of text, but 
isn't very elegant:

   repeat until offset(return & return,myText) = 0
      replace return & return with return in myText
   end repeat
   if line 1 of myText is empty then delete line 1 of myText


The most elegant way to do it is probably using the replaceText 
command, which may be powerful enough to accomplish this task without 
even using a repeat loop. This is an advanced command which makes use 
of regular expression technology for text pattern matching. (Maybe 
somebody on this list knows a regular expression to identify an 
arbitrary number of consecutive blank lines...).

Whichever method you choose, you might consider enclosing your code 
in a function, as in

function stripBlankLines inputText
   <<code for stripping blank lines, put the cleaned up text into myVariable>>
   return myVariable
end stripBlankLines

This will make it easily reusable throughout your project.

>Hello all,
>
>I have a list field and I am trying to write a script
>that upon "closeField" (or something appropriate),
>will automatically check each line in the field and
>remove/delete any blank lines in the list field; I
>have tried this a ton of different ways using
>variations of the repeat command, but have not been
>able to make it work.
>
>Thanks
>
>Steve
>
>__________________________________________________
>Do You Yahoo!?
>Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax
>http://taxes.yahoo.com/
>_______________________________________________
>use-revolution mailing list
>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution


-- 


From karlpet at mac.com  Sun Apr  7 15:02:01 2002
From: karlpet at mac.com (Karl Petersen)
Date: Sun Apr  7 15:02:01 2002
Subject: Hilite Color disobeyed
In-Reply-To: <v03130334b8d5fadd3369@[216.99.192.214]>
References: <v03130334b8d5fadd3369@[216.99.192.214]>
Message-ID: <p05100300b8d60ea4c16e@[192.168.1.202]>

At 6:33 AM -0700 4/7/02, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote:
>I've seen this too, intermittently, and it's a known problem (which I
>should have put in the release notes). I think it was determined that this
>is an engine buglet. I'm not sure when it will be addressed.

Thanks for your reply, Jeanne.

I'm really disappointed to hear the text-hilite problem may be an 
engine bug. It occurs about 70% of the time here, and causes any 
stack where the user enters text to be virtually useless. (That's 
especially true when the text hilite color is very dark, which 
usually occurs.) When the user tabs from field to field, for example, 
the field text is unreadable. So too is text selected to be modified 
or Copied. A selected line of a list field cannot be read. Default 
text in Ask dialogs cannot be read. And, of course, the overall 
impression is "buggy software".

As a Revolution newbie, I'm really excited by what I see in 
Revolution, but I'm uncomfortable offering stacks with this feature 
to the general public. This really needs to be fixed, in my opinion.

Maybe this recipe is already known, but I've noticed the script 
editor uses the correct hilite color when opened by the Script tab of 
the Properties palette, but not when you press Command-Option over an 
object. Nor does it work correctly when opened by one of the "Script" 
buttons of the Application Overview window, nor by dragging the 
Script tab out of the Properties palette. So sometimes the script 
window is fine and other times it has the problem, which may make it 
easier to debug. (On the other hand, if they are two very different 
windows it only suggests that one Script window has the problem and 
the other doesn't.)

There's another text-selection issue that need to be addressed too, I 
believe. Selected text should show a different hilite when Revolution 
is in the background. (Mac OS 9.1 here.) As I type in Eudora, for 
example, the selected text of the Revolution window in the background 
looks identical to when it is frontmost. Instead of hiliting the 
text, the text should be framed. (That, or not show a hilite at all 
in the background.) As a newbie, I never know if there's a yet 
undiscovered setting to apply the proper behavior, or if I can safely 
assume the environment controls such behavior. (I spend a lot of time 
searching.)

Karl


From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Sun Apr  7 15:23:03 2002
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun Apr  7 15:23:03 2002
Subject: Auto-remove blank lines in a list field
In-Reply-To: <20020407161407.39653.qmail@web20302.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20020407161407.39653.qmail@web20302.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <a05100304b8d64b77bb89@[206.117.139.34]>

>Hello all,
>
>I have a list field and I am trying to write a script
>that upon "closeField" (or something appropriate),
>will automatically check each line in the field and
>remove/delete any blank lines in the list field; I
>have tried this a ton of different ways using
>variations of the repeat command, but have not been
>able to make it work.
>
>Thanks 
>
>Steve
>

on closeField
  filter me with "?*"
end closeField
-- 

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com


From prodevm at yahoo.com  Sun Apr  7 17:03:01 2002
From: prodevm at yahoo.com (Steve L)
Date: Sun Apr  7 17:03:01 2002
Subject: clipboard extension 
Message-ID: <20020407210124.50577.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,

Iam trying to put together a clipboard extension
program with Rev, however, I am having the following
problem (I am sure to do with the lack of my
experience):

I used the "copyKey" scripting in Rev to
intercept/take over when the copy command keys (ctrl &
insert) are pressed on the keyboard; this works fine
when the Rev program is the program that is focused,
however, once it is minimized or the focus goes to
anothor program, it no longer intercepts the copy
command keys (ctrl & insert).

How is it possible to accomplish this?  There must be
a way, as there are a ton of clipboard extension
programs that do just that; they are usally located in
the system tray, when running, I don't know if this
has anything to do with it or not.

Thanks

Steve


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From pixelbird at interisland.net  Sun Apr  7 17:57:01 2002
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Sun Apr  7 17:57:01 2002
Subject: Image still cut off/menubar problem
In-Reply-To: <EA7EF412-4A1E-11D6-801C-000A27B49A96@osnabrueck.netsurf.de>
Message-ID: <B8D60FAD.2AE7%pixelbird@interisland.net>

on 4/7/02 4:59 AM, Klaus Major at k_major at osnabrueck.netsurf.de wrote:

> just a quick thought...
> 
> Is the image part of a group and is the "lock location" of this group
> set to true ?
----------
No, but it will be a grouped image (on all cards in the stack).
----------
> If yes, that explains the mistery...
----------
How so?
---------- 
> Have a nice sunday...
----------
Thanks, I will. Same to you.

Best regards,
Ken N.



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Sun Apr  7 19:24:01 2002
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Sun Apr  7 19:24:01 2002
Subject: The voice dilemma
In-Reply-To: <EA7EF412-4A1E-11D6-801C-000A27B49A96@osnabrueck.netsurf.de>
Message-ID: <B8D6240C.2AF1%pixelbird@interisland.net>

Hello Rev list,

One of the critical things that makes the onscreen keyboard I'm making
different is its ability to have full audio feedback. The problem is, I
don't know anything about voices for Windows. Does Windows or Unix have
native voices?

The Mac OS has voices. In my HyperCard version (still unfinished) all I have
to do is use a command: speak "Hello" with voice "Fred", or speak field
myField with voice "Zarvox", or set a phrase as a button task (I love the
idea of setting up a stack full of such object tasks, but the problem
remains: What's available on various platforms?).

How do I implement voices in Rev?

Thanks,
Ken N.




From troy at rpsystems.net  Sun Apr  7 19:37:00 2002
From: troy at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Sun Apr  7 19:37:00 2002
Subject: clipboard extension 
In-Reply-To: <20020407210124.50577.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2AC58282-4A80-11D6-BCB4-000393853D6C@rpsystems.net>

On Sunday, April 7, 2002, at 05:01 PM, Steve L wrote:

> How is it possible to accomplish this?  There must be
> a way, as there are a ton of clipboard extension
> programs that do just that; they are usally located in
> the system tray, when running, I don't know if this
> has anything to do with it or not.

Intercepting events system wide is generally not possible for something 
which is run as a program process. Rev is doing this presumably by 
trapping the keyboard command before it get's through to the system. 
However, if it is not the current frontmost application, it never gets 
the keystrokes to trap.

I believe it was Dar, who earlier in this list discussed making Rev apps 
a "service" on Windows. Implementation at this level may give you what 
you are looking for - I haven't done it, so I'm not sure.

--
Troy
RPSystems
www.rpsystems.net



From xslaugh at hotmail.com  Sun Apr  7 22:38:01 2002
From: xslaugh at hotmail.com (Scott Slaugh)
Date: Sun Apr  7 22:38:01 2002
Subject: The voice dilemma
References: <B8D6240C.2AF1%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <OE26DskqC5EtrUVYKkp00000910@hotmail.com>

The only way, at least currently, to use speech on Windows is to use an
external.  You can get it at http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/

Scott Slaugh

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Norris (dialup)" <pixelbird at interisland.net>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 07, 2002 5:27 PM
Subject: The voice dilemma


> Hello Rev list,
>
> One of the critical things that makes the onscreen keyboard I'm making
> different is its ability to have full audio feedback. The problem is, I
> don't know anything about voices for Windows. Does Windows or Unix have
> native voices?
>
> The Mac OS has voices. In my HyperCard version (still unfinished) all I
have
> to do is use a command: speak "Hello" with voice "Fred", or speak field
> myField with voice "Zarvox", or set a phrase as a button task (I love the
> idea of setting up a stack full of such object tasks, but the problem
> remains: What's available on various platforms?).
>
> How do I implement voices in Rev?
>
> Thanks,
> Ken N.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>


From jcuccio at pacbell.net  Sun Apr  7 23:53:01 2002
From: jcuccio at pacbell.net (John Cuccio)
Date: Sun Apr  7 23:53:01 2002
Subject: how send file
Message-ID: <B8D64B0B.1287%jcuccio@pacbell.net>

I have set up personal web sharing on a mac. I can display the contents of a
text file in a field

put "http://filepath" into myfile
put url myfile into field 1


How do I change that file or add a file to that folder. Like I do on my
local hard drive. 

I tried 
put field 2 into url myfile  -- this does not work

I am trying not to use apple script because the system will be Windows
sending a file to the mac.

What I am trying to do if you have any thoughts.

I want to sent a file from 5 different locations to a central location and
build a Rev app to view and do stuff with the data. Right now I have PC
anywhere calling the remote locations and sending the file. PC anywhere is
not always reliable. I thought about email the data to an email address. But
I do not know how to download an attachment automatically.

Thank you.




From pixelbird at interisland.net  Mon Apr  8 00:31:01 2002
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Mon Apr  8 00:31:01 2002
Subject: clipboard extension 
In-Reply-To: <2AC58282-4A80-11D6-BCB4-000393853D6C@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <B8D66BDB.2B06%pixelbird@interisland.net>

on 4/7/02 4:35 PM, Troy Rollins at troy at rpsystems.net wrote:

> Intercepting events system wide is generally not possible for something
> which is run as a program process. Rev is doing this presumably by
> trapping the keyboard command before it get's through to the system.
> However, if it is not the current frontmost application, it never gets
> the keystrokes to trap.
> 
> I believe it was Dar, who earlier in this list discussed making Rev apps
> a "service" on Windows. Implementation at this level may give you what
> you are looking for - I haven't done it, so I'm not sure.
----------
Gosh, do you think this is possible with Rev? It would allow my onscreen
keyboard shareware to do more than the ones now being offered by Apple or MS
for about 20% (or less) of the price.

Best regards,
Ken N.



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Mon Apr  8 00:54:01 2002
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Mon Apr  8 00:54:01 2002
Subject: how send file
In-Reply-To: <B8D64B0B.1287%jcuccio@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <B8D6706B.5E14%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, John Cuccio wrote:

> How do I change that file or add a file to that folder. Like I do on my
> local hard drive.
> 
> I tried 
> put field 2 into url myfile  -- this does not work


put field 2 into url ("file:" & myFile)

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director

Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
Email: scott at tactilemedia.com
Web: www.tactilemedia.com



From iansummerfield at btconnect.com  Mon Apr  8 01:24:01 2002
From: iansummerfield at btconnect.com (Ian Summerfield)
Date: Mon Apr  8 01:24:01 2002
Subject: how to launch an application in Mac OS X?
In-Reply-To: <CBEF26A7-4A2C-11D6-9331-000A27A87CDE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B8D6E79D.6539%iansummerfield@btconnect.com>

To launch an application in OS X,  first find out if it's already running,
if it is you probably only want to bring it to the front,  if it isn't then
you can launch it.  This is the code I use,  it's lengthy but robust.

Call StarProg with the name of the program as the first parameter "Quicktime
Player" and the complete path to the program as the second parameter, I
think you'll need:

  /Diskname/Applications/QuickTime Player.app/Contents/MacOS/Quicktime
Player

Create a custom property in the stack called "AppleScript1" and set its
contents to:

tell application "Finder"
return name of every process
end tell

Put on a card script:

global processlist


on getprocesses
  do the applescript1 of this stack as AppleScript
  put the result into processlist
end getprocesses

function startProg theName,thePath
  getprocesses
  if quote&theName&quote is in processlist then
    do "tell application " & quote & theName & quote & " to activate" as
applescript
    return "Active"
    exit startProg -- already running
  end if
  if there is not a file thePath then
    return "ERROR: No such application."
    exit startProg
  end if
  KILL quit process thePath -- clears the openProcesses, otherwise RR will
  -- return "process already running" on the launch
  launch thePath
  put the result into res
  -- check the result for "error -nn"
  Return res
end startProg



On 7/4/02 2:38 pm, "Luke Martin" <lmartin4 at mac.com> scribed:

> I am running Mac OS X 10.1.3. What is the proper way to launch an
> application in Mac OS X (i.e. QuickTime Player)?
> 
> Cheers
> Luke
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution




From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Apr  8 02:31:01 2002
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon Apr  8 02:31:01 2002
Subject: Password-protecting a stack...
Message-ID: <BBEIJJIICJJBOLMBODHCKEOACIAA.chipp@chipp.com>

I have a standalone which creates stacks. I wish them to be protected. So, I
set the password property of a newly created stack before saving it.

Now, when I launch RunRev, I can open and view the controls and fields of
the newly password protected stack without any password prompt! I only get
asked for the password when I attempt to access the scripts. Any idea on how
I can prevent people from seeing the controls and fields as it is there I am
storing information. Thanks for any help.

-Chipp



From dan at danshafer.com  Mon Apr  8 03:11:01 2002
From: dan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Mon Apr  8 03:11:01 2002
Subject: Revolution and Internet Applications
In-Reply-To: <B8D6E79D.6539%iansummerfield@btconnect.com>
References: <B8D6E79D.6539%iansummerfield@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <a05101503b8d6ea37686a@[63.205.23.218]>

The applications I envision building over the next year or two are 
all Internet and Web-based applications. They provide non-browser 
approaches to dealing with information stored in Web pages and on 
Internet sites in databases and other formats. So the Internet 
capabilities of my tool set are crucial.

As I probe Revolution's documentation and build small test stacks, I 
seem to be finding that this particular aspect of Revolution is not 
(yet) well-developed.

For example, not only is the htmlText property very weak in terms of 
the tag support it offers, it appears to me that it doesn't support 
even those limited tags it claims to. Specifically, the <a></a> tag 
set appears to be unsupported, at least under OS X. Clicking on text 
that is connected to a link in the original Web page does not 
generate an automatic link to the new page. I presume this could be 
scripted but it's difficult to see how: (a) this could be a 
general-case solution; and (b) one can claim to support a standard 
HTML tag but not its associated behavior.

Similarly, the <image> tag does not seem to work, either. At least 
the image never gets displayed on any of several Web pages I've tried 
it with.

Beyond that, general Internet support seems to be lacking.  Of 
course, there could be more than meets the eye; without a manual, 
it's hard to say. The scripting dictionary is useful, but there's no 
categorization so I can't, e.g., easily find a list of all 
net-related stuff. I keep having to follow "see also" links that 
sometimes don't go anywhere useful and often don't have links back to 
where I was. Or at least so it seems.

None of this should be seen as an indictment of Revolution, though. 
As a long-time HyperTalker, I'm really excited by what I see here. I 
am hoping to find out that I'm just wrong about this stuff and that 
Revolution can in fact be the development tool I seek. But after a 
few hours of exploration, I'm inclined to think it's not yet ready 
for prime time for the kinds of apps I want to build.

Anyone have a different experience or some insights to share?
-- 
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-
Dan Shafer
Technology Visionary - Technology Assessment - Documentation
"Looking at technology from every angle"
http://www.danshafer.com
831-392-1127 Voice - 831-401-2531 Fax



From mike at essex-web.com  Mon Apr  8 03:40:01 2002
From: mike at essex-web.com (Michael Foy)
Date: Mon Apr  8 03:40:01 2002
Subject: not a stupid question today, more an observations
References: <2998B33D-493E-11D6-B19D-000393598038@mac.com>
Message-ID: <004501c1ded0$70527320$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>

when you are in the script debug and have sat a break, at the top of the
screen you have a run to end button it would be nice if the run button at
the bottom, next to the trace and step into, only run to the next breakpoint
rather than to the end, I know the trace plods onto the next break, but
sometimes you want to go quickly through the code

just an observation /request

miock




From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Mon Apr  8 04:12:01 2002
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Mon Apr  8 04:12:01 2002
Subject: License issue
In-Reply-To: <B8D32390.553%steve@messimercomputing.com>
Message-ID: <B8D38261.228B6%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

on 5/4/02 3:49 PM, Steve Messimer at steve at messimercomputing.com wrote:

> I have reviewed the license issue and it seems fair and appropriate to me.
> It looks as if this fee is related to covering Rev support costs in large
> companies and doesn't seem to be an issue for small developers at all.
> 
> Here's a relavant quote from the FAQ that relartes directly to my business:
> 
> "I'm a shareware developer / consultant / retail software developer and I'm
> going to ship thousands of copies. Do I need a license?"
> 
> "No."
> 
> End of issue from my perspective.

I agree that there are many classes of use to which this doesn't apply.  And
if it was truly intended - and applied - only to covering Rev support costs
in large companies it may well be appropriate (thought there are other ways
to solve that particular problem).  And if that was all it was, I could also
pass it off as having no relevance to me, because I am not in that
situation.

However, in both the formulations we have seen so far it appears that the
net has been cast considerably wider, and as far as I can see in the current
writing it looks a lot like it could affect me, and in very unclear ways.
So I do rather urgently want clarification.  Kevin, please can you answer
some questions?
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866





From heather at runrev.com  Mon Apr  8 05:13:03 2002
From: heather at runrev.com (Heather Williams)
Date: Mon Apr  8 05:13:03 2002
Subject: Revolution book
In-Reply-To: <200204080455.AAA07057@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <B8D71D13.66CD%heather@runrev.com>

> Hi,
> 
> I have been using RR daily now for months.  I continue to be happy with its
> capabilities. The only thing that remains an issue for me is the lack of
> printed documentation and / or third party books on the subject. It is clear
> that there are additional sources of information because many of the
> contributors to these lists seem to be extremely knowledgeable about
> transcript and RR in general.  Where did these folks get this information?
> Was it working w MetaCard? Is there some printed documentation available for
> Metacard?
> 
> Don't get me  wrong.  I'm not angry about this, just frustrated.  Does
> anybody know if there is there a book in the works. What we really need is a
> book similar to Danny Goodman's "Complete HyperCard Handbook". That type of
> book could make learning the intricacies of Transcript and Run Rev a lot
> easier than randomly accessing the online help app or going to the lists.

A printed version of the existing documentation is in the works. I am
working on getting it available as fast as possible, however this could
still be several weeks. As soon as it is available I will announce it on
this list, as well as the website. We are well aware of the need for this
book, and apologise for the long delay in making it available. I would ask
for your patience for just a few weeks longer.

Regards,

Heather
> 
> Just my 2?.
> 
> Steve

-- 
Heather Williams <heather at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Ltd.
Tel: +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax: +44 (0)1639 830707
Ten Thumbs Typing Tutor Teach your Fingers to Dance



From eddie at saltire.co.uk  Mon Apr  8 05:15:06 2002
From: eddie at saltire.co.uk (Edmund Boyd)
Date: Mon Apr  8 05:15:06 2002
Subject: Revolution Book
Message-ID: <p04310100b8d6ebc8ff45@[194.222.69.66]>

I agree with Steve. I only just discovered RR, after being a regular 
HyperCard user for 15 years or thereabouts. Making the transition 
would be SO much easier if there were a decent book or manual. 
Personally, I don't like online manuals. I can't read them in bed or 
in the armchair.

Eddie

>  I have been using RR daily now for months.  I continue to be happy with its
>  capabilities. The only thing that remains an issue for me is the lack of
>  printed documentation and / or third party books on the subject. It is clear
>  that there are additional sources of information because many of the
>  contributors to these lists seem to be extremely knowledgeable about
>  transcript and RR in general.  Where did these folks get this information?
>  Was it working w MetaCard? Is there some printed documentation available for
>  Metacard?
-- 
http://www.isle-of-bute.net/


From jm.lekston at idvector.com  Mon Apr  8 05:15:12 2002
From: jm.lekston at idvector.com (Jean-Michel Lekston)
Date: Mon Apr  8 05:15:12 2002
Subject: MySQL and revolution 
Message-ID: <B8D723FA.97%jm.lekston@idvector.com>

>I've never use Database mySQL before OS X
>I have friends who works on UNIX and they say it is much more fast and
>easier than using a self made database.
>I made a program 10 years ago on HyperCard and I would like to put it on
> database like My SQL.
>Is it possible to enter the data via Revolution ?
>How ?
>Thanks.
>
>Guillaume (France)

Hi,
Unfortunaly, MySQL databases Handlers doesn't work for the moment.
Personnaly, I made a glue satellite PERL program. This one is connect to
MySQL Database and it is listen tcpip port for external connection, creates
dedicated socket when connection occured. It forwards requests to MySQL
daemon and it forwards reply to the connected program. It s very easy to use
socket with revolution and so to create connection with the Perl program.
More generaly Revolution integrate a socket interface. Like web services
model, You can extend fonctionnality of your revolution application with
external networks deamon.

JML (France)

Ps : si tu preferes en fran?ais, La solution consiste a cr?er un programme
satellite (en perl) charg? de faire l'interface entre revolution et le MySQL
daemon. pour le moment, L'interface mysql de revolution ne fonctionne pas.
En revanche, l'interface socket fonctionne correctement. L'idee est
d'etendre les fonctionnalites de ton application Revolution par des
"services web" externes. Pour MySQL il existe 3 API correctes
    - une en C
    - une en JAVA
    - une en PERL
Le plus simple est de developper en Perl ou en JAVA.



From chipp at chipp.com  Mon Apr  8 05:56:01 2002
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Mon Apr  8 05:56:01 2002
Subject: Revolution and Internet Applications
In-Reply-To: <a05101503b8d6ea37686a@[63.205.23.218]>
Message-ID: <BBEIJJIICJJBOLMBODHCEEODCIAA.chipp@chipp.com>

Dan,

I'm using RR to build some rather nifty Internet apps currently. I just
finished an Uploader wizard builder which works with our Hemingway Content
Management System. I've also built some Internet libraries which are helpful
in uploading files to our server, as well as processing asynchronously
multiple requests.

There's a plugin called "HTML builder" at
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Plugins.htm which if you put in
the plugins folder, can let you create HTML and play with the different
tags. If you Alt-click on the blue button, it will topLevel it so you can
better play around.

Also, in the downloads section, there are a number of interesting utilities,
including XML TreeView control which works great with servers, the
altSAFileUp Library which handles standard file upload (RFC1867) protocols
and altURL Library which is easy to view and understand/modify for your
purposes.

I find using a RR client coupled with an ASP based back-end works well -- I
can create web apps very quickly.

It would be nice if we had an Open Source internet utility project. I can
see a need for some better parsers, along with more internet savy controls.

my two cents,

Chipp Walters, Altuit,inc.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Dan Shafer
> Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 2:10 AM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Revolution and Internet Applications
>
>
> The applications I envision building over the next year or two are
> all Internet and Web-based applications. They provide non-browser
> approaches to dealing with information stored in Web pages and on
> Internet sites in databases and other formats. So the Internet
> capabilities of my tool set are crucial.
>
> As I probe Revolution's documentation and build small test stacks, I
> seem to be finding that this particular aspect of Revolution is not
> (yet) well-developed.
>
> For example, not only is the htmlText property very weak in terms of
> the tag support it offers, it appears to me that it doesn't support
> even those limited tags it claims to. Specifically, the <a></a> tag
> set appears to be unsupported, at least under OS X. Clicking on text
> that is connected to a link in the original Web page does not
> generate an automatic link to the new page. I presume this could be
> scripted but it's difficult to see how: (a) this could be a
> general-case solution; and (b) one can claim to support a standard
> HTML tag but not its associated behavior.
>
> Similarly, the <image> tag does not seem to work, either. At least
> the image never gets displayed on any of several Web pages I've tried
> it with.
>
> Beyond that, general Internet support seems to be lacking.  Of
> course, there could be more than meets the eye; without a manual,
> it's hard to say. The scripting dictionary is useful, but there's no
> categorization so I can't, e.g., easily find a list of all
> net-related stuff. I keep having to follow "see also" links that
> sometimes don't go anywhere useful and often don't have links back to
> where I was. Or at least so it seems.
>
> None of this should be seen as an indictment of Revolution, though.
> As a long-time HyperTalker, I'm really excited by what I see here. I
> am hoping to find out that I'm just wrong about this stuff and that
> Revolution can in fact be the development tool I seek. But after a
> few hours of exploration, I'm inclined to think it's not yet ready
> for prime time for the kinds of apps I want to build.
>
> Anyone have a different experience or some insights to share?
> --
> -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-
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From pierre.Delain at nxbp.fr  Mon Apr  8 05:57:02 2002
From: pierre.Delain at nxbp.fr (pierre.Delain at nxbp.fr)
Date: Mon Apr  8 05:57:02 2002
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?R=E9f._TIP_:_Placing_a_group_onto_multiple_cards?=
Message-ID: <C1256B95.00365CFA.00@mail.nxbp.fr>


Geoff,



What is the easiest way to script your TIP?





Pierre Delain





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From kevin at runrev.com  Mon Apr  8 06:05:00 2002
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Mon Apr  8 06:05:00 2002
Subject: License issue
In-Reply-To: <B8D38261.228B6%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <B8D729A9.530F%kevin@runrev.com>

On 8/4/02 8:10 am, Ben Rubinstein <benr_mc at cogapp.com> wrote:

>> Here's a relavant quote from the FAQ that relartes directly to my business:
>> 
>> "I'm a shareware developer / consultant / retail software developer and I'm
>> going to ship thousands of copies. Do I need a license?"
>> 
>> "No."
>> 
>> End of issue from my perspective.
> 
> I agree that there are many classes of use to which this doesn't apply.  And
> if it was truly intended - and applied - only to covering Rev support costs
> in large companies it may well be appropriate (thought there are other ways
> to solve that particular problem).  And if that was all it was, I could also
> pass it off as having no relevance to me, because I am not in that
> situation.
> 
> However, in both the formulations we have seen so far it appears that the
> net has been cast considerably wider, and as far as I can see in the current
> writing it looks a lot like it could affect me, and in very unclear ways.
> So I do rather urgently want clarification.  Kevin, please can you answer
> some questions?

The license is intended to cover the case where we provide custom support
services (e.g. on site support) or other custom options to a specific large
account.  It is something we would negotiate with them on a case by case
basis depending on their needs.

The agreement did get reworded somewhat last week - the substance was
changed a little, primarily because the complexity of some aspects of it
confused more people than we expected, and the wording was changed a lot to
make it clear for all.  However, the point of this change was primarily (and
indeed is now exclusively) to allow us to provide better support to meet the
specific needs of larger organizations.

I'd also like to say that at no stage would we apply these new terms
backwards to existing license holders, except on a voluntary basis.  Once
you purchase a new license it would be on new terms, but we certainly
wouldn't consider backwards applying some new clause to our existing user
base.  We do however give you the option to volunteer to buy new on-site
support, or the option to volunteer for a free upgrade from your Standard
Edition to the new Small Business Edition which includes updates for a year
(from date of your original purchase).

I will agree that the wording of the new license when first introduced
wasn't completely clear, and that some aspects of it did get changed
slightly (and over a period of just a day or so) before we shipped - though
primarily the changes that have taken place have been to the wording and it
still applies to the main group of people we are targeting it at.  Like any
other company, we do sometimes publish the odd new policy that doesn't go
over as well as we would like or needs reworded.  For any confusion, I
apologize again.  That said, I don't entirely understand how the thread of
"royalties" got started given that the FAQ did clearly state that we were
not charging royalties right from the start, but anyway...

Finally, this list is not really the best place to discuss this kind of
issue.  This is the "use-revolution" mailing list, not the
"improve-revolution" mailing list.  The latter list (which is about to
become available for Professional customers only), or my mail box, would be
appropriate.  I do listen to, read and consider everything that gets sent to
me, and act on as much possible.  If anyone has any further comments, then
please feel free to send them directly to me <kevin at runrev.com>.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
Tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165.  Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707.




From rodmc at runrev.com  Mon Apr  8 07:18:01 2002
From: rodmc at runrev.com (Rod McCall)
Date: Mon Apr  8 07:18:01 2002
Subject: rev conference
In-Reply-To: <069BD540-47ED-11D6-9488-000393853DBC@jpl.nasa.gov>
References: <F601C33F-47D5-11D6-84F5-000A27D75508@messimercomputing.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020408120612.039bbe50@64.23.0.192>

>>Has anyone given any thought to putting together a run rev conference? I 
>>for one would be willing to attend this type of event. I'll bet we could 
>>learn a lot from each other.
>>
>>Anybody interested in trying to get this organized? Having it run just 
>>before or just after a MacWorld might make it possible for folks to fit 
>>in their schedules and budgets.


Hi everyone,

We are currently examining various options for WWDC and MacWorld. If anyone 
has specific ideas on what they would like for MacWorld (as we have more 
time to plan this) you should contact myself or Kevin. Ideas for workshops, 
social events and just about anything else are welcome so please feel free 
to get in touch.

Kind regards,

Rod


Rod McCall
Runtime Revolution Ltd <www.runrev.com>
91 Hanover Street, Edinburgh,  EH2 1DJ, UK
tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165 fax: +44 (0) 131 718 4334
"The Solution for Software Development "
  (Mac/Windows/Linux/Unix)
Free trial download available.



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Mon Apr  8 08:06:01 2002
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Mon Apr  8 08:06:01 2002
Subject: progress bar
Message-ID: <p05100300b8d7355be9c5@[10.0.1.202]>

Hi,


I'm fighting with Rev to make a window with a progress bar appearing 
in the front of a stack during a loop.
i can't.
For hypercard, there are many different XCMDs doing the job.
Can someone help me explaining how to proceed ?

I start with a genearal script

put the number of cds of this stack into tCards
repeat with x = 1 to tCards
    -- the script calling the new stack with the progression bar
    --  my script : go to cd x ...
end repeat
...
...



thanks.
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From kmajor at metascape.org  Mon Apr  8 08:46:00 2002
From: kmajor at metascape.org (Klaus Major)
Date: Mon Apr  8 08:46:00 2002
Subject: progress bar
In-Reply-To: <p05100300b8d7355be9c5@[10.0.1.202]>
Message-ID: <2ED50E20-4AEE-11D6-AA7D-003065D52E8E@metascape.org>

Bonjour mon ami :-)

ca va bien ?

> Hi,

> I'm fighting with Rev to make a window with a progress bar appearing in 
> the front of a stack during a loop.

please stop fighting :-)

> i can't.

Yet !

> For hypercard, there are many different XCMDs doing the job.
> Can someone help me explaining how to proceed ?
>
> I start with a genearal script
>
> put the number of cds of this stack into tCards
> repeat with x = 1 to tCards
>    -- the script calling the new stack with the progression bar
>    --  my script : go to cd x ...
> end repeat
> ...
> ...
>
>
>
> thanks.
> -- Greetings.
>
> Yves COPPE

just to be sure: you have stack A where you want to do something on all 
cards and
stack B, where a progress-bar should display the progress of these 
actions ?

OK, here we go:

on xxx
    put the number of cds of this stack into tCards
    put the long name of sb "le_progresse" of cd x of stack "B" into 
le_prog
    ## this put something like "scrollbar id 1003 of cd id 1004 of stack 
xxx" into the var,
    ### so you can refer to it with just a single word ;-), makes not 
much sense in this
   ### example, but you get the picture...

    set the endvalue of le_prog to tCards
     ## so you don't have to count before ;-)

    palette "B"
    ##or whatsoever...

    repeat with x = 1 to tCards
        set cursor to busy
        ### so you have this nice spinning beach-ball

        set the thumbpos of le_prog to x
        ### set the progressbar
        ### do your card-stuff here
        ### if possible, do NOT go to cd x, this will speed up things 
heavily :-)
        ###  my script : go to cd x ...
    end repeat
    close stack "B"
end xxx


Hope this helps.


Regards/Au revoir

Klaus Major
kmajor at metascape.org



From terry at discovery.nl  Mon Apr  8 09:09:01 2002
From: terry at discovery.nl (Terry Vogelaar)
Date: Mon Apr  8 09:09:01 2002
Subject: Nasty script stays disobedient 
Message-ID: <B8D75F89.CC6%terry@discovery.nl>

I have a script that makes a button on another stack. Making a new button
automatically selects the pointer tool, but afterwards the browse tool
should be selected again.

That is where it gets annoying. When I add 'choose browse tool' in that
script, the pointer tool stays selected. When I repeat it a few times, the
pointer tool stays selected. Even when I use all-capitals, enlarge the font
size and use bold for that sentence in the script editor, it won't listen.

That nasty little script should take an example form the message box! I only
once have to type 'choose browse tool' et voila! No problemos!

Should I spank it? If so, how and where?

Terry



From kmajor at metascape.org  Mon Apr  8 09:37:00 2002
From: kmajor at metascape.org (Klaus Major)
Date: Mon Apr  8 09:37:00 2002
Subject: Nasty script stays disobedient 
In-Reply-To: <B8D75F89.CC6%terry@discovery.nl>
Message-ID: <6D0C1354-4AF5-11D6-AA7D-003065D52E8E@metascape.org>

Dag Terry,

> I have a script that makes a button on another stack. Making a new 
> button
> automatically selects the pointer tool, but afterwards the browse tool
> should be selected again.
>
> That is where it gets annoying. When I add 'choose browse tool' in that
> script, the pointer tool stays selected. When I repeat it a few times, 
> the
> pointer tool stays selected. Even when I use all-capitals, enlarge the 
> font
> size and use bold for that sentence in the script editor, it won't 
> listen.

The scripts are totally deaf, unfortunately... :-)

> That nasty little script should take an example form the message box! I 
> only
> once have to type 'choose browse tool' et voila! No problemos!

This look like a bug.

It should work, but doesn't, even with the latest version...

Please bug-report it.

> Should I spank it? If so, how and where?

Yes, hard and "op de bloote kunt" ;-)

> Terry


Hope this helps...


Regards/Tot kijk


Klaus Major
kmajor at metascape.org



From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Mon Apr  8 11:27:01 2002
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (Ludovic Th=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=E9?=bault)
Date: Mon Apr  8 11:27:01 2002
Subject: How import icon of a file in a stack ?
Message-ID: <20020408172353.4045E%00000000@laposte.net>

If i use the getresource function, i've only text data and i don't know
how to transform it in an image;

If i use the Application Overview to place ICON resource or icl8
resource in the stack, nothing appear in the "image chooser" of the
stack.

btw, i want to import icon by script.

The Geticon XCMD, by F. rinaldi, doesn't work in Revolution, else. I work on MacOS X.

Thanks
-- 
Ludovic THEBAULT
(Sorry for my poooor english :-)


From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Mon Apr  8 11:32:01 2002
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon Apr  8 11:32:01 2002
Subject: Revolution Book
In-Reply-To: <p04310100b8d6ebc8ff45@[194.222.69.66]>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0204080825460.8632-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Interestingly enough, there was a study on this very issue that used a
Hypercard stack called HyperHolmes.  The general findings were that while
the mechanics of searching and retrieving information are faster when done
by a machine rather than by a human, humans still prefer to read books
because:

  *we read faster from printed material than online.
   --> screen refresh rates, resolution, glare, ...

  *we already know _how_ to use books.
   --> do I look for the "help" menu?  Click here?  Click there?

  *No easy conversion of user habits from books to online info:
  --> dogearing of pages, scribbling in margins, hiliting of text...

  *Convenience.
  --> can read in bed, on the bus/plane/train, ...

Regards,

Judy Perry

On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, Edmund Boyd wrote:

> I agree with Steve. I only just discovered RR, after being a regular
> HyperCard user for 15 years or thereabouts. Making the transition
> would be SO much easier if there were a decent book or manual.
> Personally, I don't like online manuals. I can't read them in bed or
> in the armchair.



From prodevm at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  8 12:15:01 2002
From: prodevm at yahoo.com (Steve L)
Date: Mon Apr  8 12:15:01 2002
Subject: clipboard extension--not possible?
In-Reply-To: <20020407210124.50577.qmail@web20304.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20020408161320.46458.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,

So, should I gather from the the lack of response to
this original question, that it is not possible to do
with Rev?

I just find it hard to believe that there is not away
to do this, there are hundreds of clipboard extensions
programs on the market and offered in shareware; how
are they doing this?

If it is not possible to do in Rev, please, someone
let me know.  Then I'll can my project, so I don't
waste anymore time trying to do something that may not
be possible.

Thanks

Steve

--- Steve L <prodevm at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Iam trying to put together a clipboard extension
> program with Rev, however, I am having the following
> problem (I am sure to do with the lack of my
> experience):
> 
> I used the "copyKey" scripting in Rev to
> intercept/take over when the copy command keys (ctrl
> &
> insert) are pressed on the keyboard; this works fine
> when the Rev program is the program that is focused,
> however, once it is minimized or the focus goes to
> anothor program, it no longer intercepts the copy
> command keys (ctrl & insert).
> 
> How is it possible to accomplish this?  There must
> be
> a way, as there are a ton of clipboard extension
> programs that do just that; they are usally located
> in
> the system tray, when running, I don't know if this
> has anything to do with it or not.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
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From eijkhout at cs.utk.edu  Mon Apr  8 12:17:00 2002
From: eijkhout at cs.utk.edu (Victor Eijkhout)
Date: Mon Apr  8 12:17:00 2002
Subject: Nasty script stays disobedient
In-Reply-To: <200204081603.MAA20628@www.runrev.com>
References: <200204081603.MAA20628@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a0510103eb8d77220f5ee@[192.168.123.111]>

At 12:03 -0400 8/4/2002, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
>This look like a bug.
>
>It should work, but doesn't, even with the latest version...
>
>Please bug-report it.

I did. Several weeks ago. I'm underwhelmed that it wasn't fixed in 
the final release.

Here's the workaround:

At 21:45 -0800 5/4/2002, Geoff Canyon wrote:
>send "choose browse tool" to me in 1 tick


>  > Should I spank it? If so, how and where?
>
>Yes, hard and "op de bloote kunt" ;-)

Ahem.

s/u/o/ if you please.

-- 
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tel: 865 974 9308 (W), 865 673 6998 (H), 865 974 8296 (F)
http://www.cs.utk.edu/~eijkhout/


From prodevm at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  8 12:27:01 2002
From: prodevm at yahoo.com (Steve L)
Date: Mon Apr  8 12:27:01 2002
Subject: Revolution Book
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0204080825460.8632-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <20020408162602.1952.qmail@web20305.mail.yahoo.com>

I'll add my vote in favor.  Wow, wouldn't a book be
such a great aid for the Rev program?  

It is so hard, confusing and time consuming to try and
find the appropriate scripting terminology, and the
"how to" methods, through the in-program reference
guide; at least it is for me, a relative newbie to the
whole programming thing and Rev.

A Rev book would be nice.

Steve


--- Judy Perry <jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu> wrote:
> Interestingly enough, there was a study on this very
> issue that used a
> Hypercard stack called HyperHolmes.  The general
> findings were that while
> the mechanics of searching and retrieving
> information are faster when done
> by a machine rather than by a human, humans still
> prefer to read books
> because:
> 
>   *we read faster from printed material than online.
>    --> screen refresh rates, resolution, glare, ...
> 
>   *we already know _how_ to use books.
>    --> do I look for the "help" menu?  Click here? 
> Click there?
> 
>   *No easy conversion of user habits from books to
> online info:
>   --> dogearing of pages, scribbling in margins,
> hiliting of text...
> 
>   *Convenience.
>   --> can read in bed, on the bus/plane/train, ...
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Judy Perry
> 
> On Mon, 8 Apr 2002, Edmund Boyd wrote:
> 
> > I agree with Steve. I only just discovered RR,
> after being a regular
> > HyperCard user for 15 years or thereabouts. Making
> the transition
> > would be SO much easier if there were a decent
> book or manual.
> > Personally, I don't like online manuals. I can't
> read them in bed or
> > in the armchair.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>
http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution


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From bvlahos at jpl.nasa.gov  Mon Apr  8 12:30:01 2002
From: bvlahos at jpl.nasa.gov (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Mon Apr  8 12:30:01 2002
Subject: Auto-remove blank lines in a list field
In-Reply-To: <20020407161407.39653.qmail@web20302.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <55A15B7E-4B00-11D6-8AB7-000393853DBC@jpl.nasa.gov>

Steve,

This script will delete the selected line of a list field right away. It 
is not what you asked for but it may be what you want.

on mouseUp
   do "delete" && the selectedLine
end mouseUp

Bill Vlahos

On Sunday, April 7, 2002, at 09:14 AM, Steve L wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I have a list field and I am trying to write a script
> that upon "closeField" (or something appropriate),
> will automatically check each line in the field and
> remove/delete any blank lines in the list field; I
> have tried this a ton of different ways using
> variations of the repeat command, but have not been
> able to make it work.
>
> Thanks
>
> Steve
>
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From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Mon Apr  8 13:21:01 2002
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Mon Apr  8 13:21:01 2002
Subject: progress bar
In-Reply-To: <2ED50E20-4AEE-11D6-AA7D-003065D52E8E@metascape.org>
References: <2ED50E20-4AEE-11D6-AA7D-003065D52E8E@metascape.org>
Message-ID: <p05100300b8d7810cb26c@[10.0.1.202]>

>
>on xxx
>    put the number of cds of this stack into tCards
>    put the long name of sb "le_progresse" of cd x of stack "B" into le_prog
>    ## this put something like "scrollbar id 1003 of cd id 1004 of 
>stack xxx" into the var,
>    ### so you can refer to it with just a single word ;-), makes not 
>much sense in this
>   ### example, but you get the picture...
>
>    set the endvalue of le_prog to tCards
>     ## so you don't have to count before ;-)
>
>    palette "B"
>    ##or whatsoever...
>
>    repeat with x = 1 to tCards
>        set cursor to busy
>        ### so you have this nice spinning beach-ball
>
>        set the thumbpos of le_prog to x
>        ### set the progressbar
>        ### do your card-stuff here
>        ### if possible, do NOT go to cd x, this will speed up things 
>heavily :-)
>        ###  my script : go to cd x ...
>    end repeat
>    close stack "B"
>end xxx
>
>Hope this helps.
>


Dear klaus,

Try this :

on mouseUp
   lock screen
   put the number of cds of this stack into tcards
   put the long name of sb "le_progresse" of cd 1 of stack "B" into le_prog
   set the endvalue of le_prog to tcards
   palette "B"
   repeat with x = 1 to tcards
     set cursor to busy
     set the thumbpos of le_prog to x
     go cd x
     put return & fld "test" after myVar
     wait 1 sec --just to see what happens !
   end repeat
   go cd 1
   filter myVar with "*?"
   unlock screen
   close stack "B"
   answer myVar
end mouseUp

You will see that the "loc screen" doesn't work : you see the script 
going from cd to cd

So I want something that
1) show the progression of stack B
2) doesn't show the progression from card to card in stack A

is it possible ?

thanks.
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From eddie at isle-of-bute.net  Mon Apr  8 13:27:01 2002
From: eddie at isle-of-bute.net (Edmund Boyd)
Date: Mon Apr  8 13:27:01 2002
Subject: Newbie question
In-Reply-To: <200204081603.MAA20642@www.runrev.com>
References: <200204081603.MAA20642@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <p04310100b8d78fd4289d@[194.222.69.66]>

I'm new to RR, but have long experience with HyperCard. After playing 
with RR for a few days, I've come across an issue (problem?) that 
would affect how useful it might be to me.

I'm interested in compiling a database application (using cards as 
records) for Windows (I use a Mac), but compiled stacks don't seem to 
be able to add new cards. Am I missing something obvious? Must data 
be held in a text file and imported at startup? (I don't want to use 
an external database as Valentina is too expensive for me to license.)

Eddie
-- 
http://www.isle-of-bute.net/


From k_major at osnabrueck.netsurf.de  Mon Apr  8 13:35:01 2002
From: k_major at osnabrueck.netsurf.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Mon Apr  8 13:35:01 2002
Subject: progress bar
In-Reply-To: <p05100300b8d7810cb26c@[10.0.1.202]>
Message-ID: <EA1FC613-4B16-11D6-85D2-000A27B49A96@osnabrueck.netsurf.de>

Bonsoir Yves,

>
> ...
> Dear klaus,
>
> Try this :

no, i won't ;-)

But you should try this:

> on mouseUp
>   put the number of cds of this stack into tcards
>   put the long name of sb "le_progresse" of cd 1 of stack "B" into 
> le_prog
>   set the endvalue of le_prog to tcards
>   palette "B"
>   repeat with x = 1 to tcards
>     set cursor to busy
>     set the thumbpos of le_prog to x

#####!!!!!  go cd x ###not necessary

>     put return & fld "test"  of cd i after myVar
###!!!!! OF CD I :-)

>     wait 1 sec --just to see what happens !
## Yes, MC is too fast :-)

>   end repeat
> ####  go cd 1 ### no more necessary
>   filter myVar with "*?"
>   close stack "B"
>   answer myVar
> end mouseUp


> So I want something that
> 1) show the progression of stack B
> 2) doesn't show the progression from card to card in stack A
>
> is it possible ?
>
> thanks.
> -- Greetings.
> Yves COPPE

Sure, see above

Au revoir

Klaus



From k_major at osnabrueck.netsurf.de  Mon Apr  8 13:40:01 2002
From: k_major at osnabrueck.netsurf.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Mon Apr  8 13:40:01 2002
Subject: Newbie question
In-Reply-To: <p04310100b8d78fd4289d@[194.222.69.66]>
Message-ID: <9DEDAC6E-4B17-11D6-85D2-000A27B49A96@osnabrueck.netsurf.de>

Hi Eddie,

> I'm new to RR, but have long experience with HyperCard. After playing 
> with RR for a few days, I've come across an issue (problem?) that would 
> affect how useful it might be to me.
>
> I'm interested in compiling a database application (using cards as 
> records) for Windows (I use a Mac), but compiled stacks don't seem to 
> be able to add new cards. Am I missing something obvious? Must data be 
> held in a text file and imported at startup? (I don't want to use an 
> external database as Valentina is too expensive for me to license.)
>
> Eddie

standalones (compiled applications) cannot be saved.
Neither on a Mac nor on Windows...

But you can save stacks that are not part of the standalone.

So keep your stack outside the application and it can be saved.

No need for heavy text-data importing routines ;-)
(Depends on the amount of data, that your database will have to 
handle...)


Hope this helps.

If you need further instructions on how and why, just drop a line :-)


Regards


Klaus Major
k_major at osnabrueck.netsurf.de



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Mon Apr  8 13:43:01 2002
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Mon Apr  8 13:43:01 2002
Subject: Revolution Book
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0204080825460.8632-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>
Message-ID: <B8D72584.2B8D%pixelbird@interisland.net>

on 4/8/02 8:30 AM, Judy Perry at jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu wrote:

> Interestingly enough, there was a study on this very issue that used a
> Hypercard stack called HyperHolmes.  The general findings were that while
> the mechanics of searching and retrieving information are faster when done
> by a machine rather than by a human, humans still prefer to read books
> because:
> 
> *we read faster from printed material than online.
> --> screen refresh rates, resolution, glare, ...
> 
> *we already know _how_ to use books.
> --> do I look for the "help" menu?  Click here?  Click there?
> 
> *No easy conversion of user habits from books to online info:
> --> dogearing of pages, scribbling in margins, hiliting of text...
> 
> *Convenience.
> --> can read in bed, on the bus/plane/train, ...
----------
You can also add to the list:

*You always get two pages of info at once without having to 'push buttons'
or 'scroll'. 

*The _only_ truly viable replacement for a book is a notebook computer which
still has to be run on batteries or plugged into a wall socket.

*I never heard of anyone getting 'Carpal Tunnel Syndrome' from turning book
pages (although brother friars were being murdered by poison on page corners
in the Sean Connery film 'The Name of the Rose'), as opposed to using a
mouse. 

I'm sure there's more...

Anyway, FYI, I am still looking for parts, but I expect to end up with a Mac
IIci with: Accelerator card, high res video, 128mb memory, 9.1.gb drive (4
2gb partitions, the rest for VRAM). I intend to use it as a dedicated
reference machine.

I'm thinking about a Newton or Palm with ref materials on flash cards, too.

Best regards,
Ken N.



From PMDA at earthlink.net  Mon Apr  8 14:15:01 2002
From: PMDA at earthlink.net (Tariel Gogoberidze)
Date: Mon Apr  8 14:15:01 2002
Subject: Auto-remove blank lines in a list field
References: <200204080455.AAA07042@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3CB1DC4A.8C13F130@earthlink.net>


> >I have a list field and I am trying to write a script
> >that upon "closeField" (or something appropriate),
> >will automatically check each line in the field and
> >remove/delete any blank lines in the list field;
> >
> 
> on closeField
>   filter me with "?*"
> end closeField
> --
> 
> regards,
> 
> Geoff Canyon
> gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com


What's the advantages of using filter with "?*" as  opposed to just
filter with "*" to remove  empty lines?.
Filter with "*" always worked fine for me but I would  love  to know if
filter with "?*" gives some  additional advantages
Thanks
T.G.


From steve at messimercomputing.com  Mon Apr  8 14:20:01 2002
From: steve at messimercomputing.com (Steve Messimer)
Date: Mon Apr  8 14:20:01 2002
Subject: RR Book
In-Reply-To: <200204081119.HAA15407@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <B8D7573E.566%steve@messimercomputing.com>

on 4/8/02 7:19 AM, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com at
use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> A printed version of the existing documentation is in the works. I am
> working on getting it available as fast as possible, however this could
> still be several weeks. As soon as it is available I will announce it on
> this list, as well as the website. We are well aware of the need for this
> book, and apologise for the long delay in making it available. I would ask
> for your patience for just a few weeks longer.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Heather

Heather,

This will be great! Sign me up.  Just as an aside.  I just downloaded the
latest version of 1.1.1 today and you all ( Jeanne?) have done a fantastic
job with the new version of the online documentaion. It is so much improved
that it is really going to be useful.  :-)

This in no way negates the necessity of a paper version.  We still want to
immerse ourselves in RR whilst sitting by the fire on chilly winter
evenings.

Regards

Steve

Stephen R. Messimer
Messimer Computing, Inc
2501 14th Ave South
Escanaba, MI 49829
www.messimercomputing.com






From raney at metacard.com  Mon Apr  8 14:48:04 2002
From: raney at metacard.com (Scott Raney)
Date: Mon Apr  8 14:48:04 2002
Subject: Revolution and Internet Applications
In-Reply-To: <200204081119.HAA15407@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204081230050.4119-100000@mast.metacard.com>

On Mon, 8 Apr 2002 Dan Shafer <dan at danshafer.com> wrote:

> The applications I envision building over the next year or two are 
> all Internet and Web-based applications. They provide non-browser 
> approaches to dealing with information stored in Web pages and on 
> Internet sites in databases and other formats. So the Internet 
> capabilities of my tool set are crucial.

A key phrase here I think being "non-browser approaches".

> As I probe Revolution's documentation and build small test stacks, I 
> seem to be finding that this particular aspect of Revolution is not 
> (yet) well-developed.
> 
>
> For example, not only is the htmlText property very weak in terms of 
> the tag support it offers, it appears to me that it doesn't support 
> even those limited tags it claims to. Specifically, the <a></a> tag 
> set appears to be unsupported, at least under OS X. Clicking on text 
> that is connected to a link in the original Web page does not 
> generate an automatic link to the new page. I presume this could be 
> scripted but it's difficult to see how: (a) this could be a 
> general-case solution; and (b) one can claim to support a standard 
> HTML tag but not its associated behavior.

Or c) you're stuck in a browser mind set.  Automatically taking you to
another linked HTML page is *browser* behavior.  MetaCard's (and
Revolution's) way is much more flexible, albeit being less automatic.
You have to handle the linkClicked message if you want it to do
something when the user clicks on a link.

Indeed, this whole idea of "the whole world is HTML" also belies that
you're still stuck in a browser mind set.  If you're really looking
for browser alternatives, you need to start thinking of data in
formats other than HTML (i.e. as XML, or MetaCard/Revolution stacks,
or just raw bits that you manipulate in whatever way you need).

> Similarly, the <image> tag does not seem to work, either. At least 
> the image never gets displayed on any of several Web pages I've tried 
> it with.

Works fine here, but again, *not as a browser does it*.  You'll need
to either embed the image in the stack or download it separately.

> None of this should be seen as an indictment of Revolution, though. 
> As a long-time HyperTalker, I'm really excited by what I see here. I 
> am hoping to find out that I'm just wrong about this stuff and that 
> Revolution can in fact be the development tool I seek. But after a 
> few hours of exploration, I'm inclined to think it's not yet ready 
> for prime time for the kinds of apps I want to build.

I think it probably is, but is going to require some adjustments on
your part.  If you really want to break out of the constraints imposed
by a browser-based architecture, you've also got to give up some of
the conveniences of that approach.  In exchange you get complete
freedom of behavior, and more importantly, freedom from browser
compatibility problems.
  Regards,
    Scott

********************************************************
Scott Raney  raney at metacard.com  http://www.metacard.com
MetaCard: You know, there's an easier way to do that...



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Mon Apr  8 15:19:01 2002
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Mon Apr  8 15:19:01 2002
Subject: progress bar
In-Reply-To: <EA1FC613-4B16-11D6-85D2-000A27B49A96@osnabrueck.netsurf.de>
References: <EA1FC613-4B16-11D6-85D2-000A27B49A96@osnabrueck.netsurf.de>
Message-ID: <p05100300b8d79bf02187@[10.0.1.201]>

Hello,




Here is my final script and it works fine (finally, thanks Klaus)

on mouseUp
   put the number of cds of this stack into tcards
   put the long name of sb "progressbar" of cd 1 of stack 
"Progression" into le_prog
   set the endvalue of le_prog to tcards
   palette "Progression"
   repeat with x = 1 to tcards
     set cursor to busy
     set the thumbpos of le_prog to x
     set the text of fld "prompt" of stack "Progression" to\
         "Fiche : "&x&"/"&tcards&"."
     put return & fld "test" of cd x after myVar
     wait 1 sec --just to see what happens !
   end repeat
   filter myVar with "*?"
   close stack "Progression"
   answer myVar
end mouseUp


Sorry, some words are in french, but it can easily be adapted in English
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Apr  8 15:35:01 2002
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon Apr  8 15:35:01 2002
Subject: Revolution Book
Message-ID: <3CB1F09E.7C5C7385@hyperactivesw.com>

>Hi,
>
>The only thing that remains an issue for me is the lack of
>printed documentation and / or third party books on the subject. It is clear
>that there are additional sources of information because many of the
>contributors to these lists seem to be extremely knowledgeable about
>transcript and RR in general.  Where did these folks get this information?
>Was it working w MetaCard? Is there some printed documentation
available for
>Metacard?

I learned from working with MetaCard and from participating on the MC
and Rev mailing lists. But I have read many complaints about the
documentation for Revolution and it puzzled me for a long time, because
I think the Rev docs are the most complete and excellent xtalk
documentation I've seen -- equivalent to the "HyperCard, The Book"
manual, which Jeanne also helped to write. What I finally decided was
that people may not really be complaining about the documentation as it
is written, but rather about a lack of knowledge as to how the general
MetaCard/Revolution paradigm works. For people coming from HyperCard,
there are just enough differences to make the switch-over very frustrating.

I think Jeanne has done a terrific job trying to explain the differences
in the docs, and probably the first thing people should look at are the
sections that talk about that. But you are right, there is no real
equivalent to Goodman's book, which was aimed at very new HyperCard
users and which explained a lot of things that both MC and Rev docs take
for granted you already know.

I'm also not surprised that there are no general Revolution programming
books available yet. Revolution is too new for that to have happened
yet, and MetaCard was mostly available only to the Unix community until
a few years ago -- and you know how they don't do docs. :)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Mon Apr  8 15:39:01 2002
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Mon Apr  8 15:39:01 2002
Subject: Hilite Color disobeyed
Message-ID: <3CB1F1A1.E295BF62@hyperactivesw.com>

Karl Petersen wrote:

>I'm really disappointed to hear the text-hilite problem may be an
>engine bug. It occurs about 70% of the time here, and causes any
>stack where the user enters text to be virtually useless.

This won't help the generic bug, but for your own stacks you can set the
stack's hilitecolor property to any color you want. It won't use the
system hilite color when you do that, but at least you can make sure
that the hilited text is readable, and by the time anyone complains to
you, maybe the engine will be fixed. :)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From pixelbird at interisland.net  Mon Apr  8 15:55:02 2002
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Mon Apr  8 15:55:02 2002
Subject: Revolution book
In-Reply-To: <B8D71D13.66CD%heather@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <B8D7446C.2B92%pixelbird@interisland.net>

on 4/8/02 2:10 AM, Heather Williams at heather at runrev.com wrote:

> A printed version of the existing documentation is in the works. I am
> working on getting it available as fast as possible, however this could
> still be several weeks. As soon as it is available I will announce it on
> this list, as well as the website. We are well aware of the need for this
> book, and apologise for the long delay in making it available. I would ask
----------
Halleluja!!!

Maybe I can not-be-so-time-frustrated over getting parts for my reference
computer.

Thanks for your hard work.

Ken N.



From JAMES.G.YATES at saic.com  Mon Apr  8 16:46:01 2002
From: JAMES.G.YATES at saic.com (Yates, Glen)
Date: Mon Apr  8 16:46:01 2002
Subject: Revolution Book
Message-ID: <33F0B58BF432D211B72200805FEFAAD905A64F79@hun-its-exs01.saic.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Norris (dialup) [mailto:pixelbird at interisland.net]
> 
> Anyway, FYI, I am still looking for parts, but I expect to 
> end up with a Mac
> IIci with: Accelerator card, high res video, 128mb memory, 
> 9.1.gb drive (4
> 2gb partitions, the rest for VRAM). I intend to use it as a dedicated
> reference machine.

Gee, seems like it would be easier and cheaper to just get a second monitor
for your main machine.


-Glen Yates


From mdmays at airmail.net  Mon Apr  8 18:44:01 2002
From: mdmays at airmail.net (Michael D Mays)
Date: Mon Apr  8 18:44:01 2002
Subject: Revolution Book
In-Reply-To: <3CB1F09E.7C5C7385@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <B8D7871B.56F25%mdmays@airmail.net>

J. Landman Gay of jacque at hyperactivesw.com wrote the following on 4/8/02
2:33 PM

> Unix community until
> a few years ago -- and you know how they don't do docs. :)

No problemo. Just type man

michael



From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Mon Apr  8 19:20:01 2002
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon Apr  8 19:20:01 2002
Subject: Auto-remove blank lines in a list field
In-Reply-To: <3CB1DC4A.8C13F130@earthlink.net>
References: <200204080455.AAA07042@www.runrev.com>
 <3CB1DC4A.8C13F130@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <a05100304b8d7d56215ed@[188.9.94.76]>

At 2:07 PM -0400 4/8/02, Tariel Gogoberidze wrote:
>> >I have a list field and I am trying to write a script
>> >that upon "closeField" (or something appropriate),
>> >will automatically check each line in the field and
>> >remove/delete any blank lines in the list field;
>> >
>> 
>> on closeField
>>   filter me with "?*"
>> end closeField
>> --
>> 
>> regards,
>> 
>> Geoff Canyon
>> gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com
>
>
>What's the advantages of using filter with "?*" as  opposed to just
>filter with "*" to remove  empty lines?.
>Filter with "*" always worked fine for me but I would  love  to know if
>filter with "?*" gives some  additional advantages
>Thanks
>T.G.

Interesting -- Since * matches zero or more of any character, I would have thought that "*" would match the empty string, and thus wouldn't filter anything. It appears I was mistaken.
-- 

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com



From themacguy at mac.com  Mon Apr  8 20:03:01 2002
From: themacguy at mac.com (Barry Levine)
Date: Mon Apr  8 20:03:01 2002
Subject: Calculation question
Message-ID: <D608CA81-4B4C-11D6-B8FD-003065BC131C@mac.com>

Greetings Listas!

I have a stack with a field that will contain a math problem - something 
like "4+2-3*2/3" (no quotes). How can I do a calculation that will give 
me the answer? I will always know the text that is going into the field 
as I "put" it there during a handler. I was looking for something like 
"calculate field "myField". Note that the operators will not always be 
consistently placed; in other words, the "+" may appear anywhere within 
the text (or not at all); same goes for the other operators (although 
there will always be at least -one- operator in the equation).

Thanks,
Barry
--------------------------------------------------------
Barry Jay Levine
"The Mac Guy"
Macintosh Troubleshooting, System Engineering, Training,
AppleShare/OSX Server Setup, System Upgrades and Enhancements
On-Site service for K20, Business, Consumer
Phone/VoiceMail: 915-581-1105
             Fax: 915-581-8167
           eMail: themacguy at mac.com



From drvaughan55 at mac.com  Mon Apr  8 20:40:00 2002
From: drvaughan55 at mac.com (David Vaughan)
Date: Mon Apr  8 20:40:00 2002
Subject: Calculation question
In-Reply-To: <D608CA81-4B4C-11D6-B8FD-003065BC131C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <31886D16-4B52-11D6-B99B-000393598038@mac.com>

Barry

Look up "Value" in the Dictionary. I'd say it does just what you want.

e.g.
put value("4+2-3*2/3")
4

regards
David

On Tuesday, April 9, 2002, at 10:00 , Barry Levine wrote:

> Greetings Listas!
>
> I have a stack with a field that will contain a math problem - 
> something like "4+2-3*2/3" (no quotes). How can I do a calculation that 
> will give me the answer? I will always know the text that is going into 
> the field as I "put" it there during a handler. I was looking for 
> something like "calculate field "myField". Note that the operators will 
> not always be consistently placed; in other words, the "+" may appear 
> anywhere within the text (or not at all); same goes for the other 
> operators (although there will always be at least -one- operator in the 
> equation).
>
> Thanks,
> Barry
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Barry Jay Levine
> "The Mac Guy"
> Macintosh Troubleshooting, System Engineering, Training,
> AppleShare/OSX Server Setup, System Upgrades and Enhancements
> On-Site service for K20, Business, Consumer
> Phone/VoiceMail: 915-581-1105
>             Fax: 915-581-8167
>           eMail: themacguy at mac.com
>
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From shaosean at unitz.ca  Tue Apr  9 04:51:01 2002
From: shaosean at unitz.ca (Shao Sean)
Date: Tue Apr  9 04:51:01 2002
Subject: Calculation question
References: <D608CA81-4B4C-11D6-B8FD-003065BC131C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <001301c1dfa3$076494a0$88b15bd1@lanfear>

if you're putting the text into a field (you said something about it being
placed there from a handler) just have a command

do the text of field "math"

take a look at the "do" command



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Tue Apr  9 06:48:01 2002
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Tue Apr  9 06:48:01 2002
Subject: Revolution Book
In-Reply-To: <33F0B58BF432D211B72200805FEFAAD905A64F79@hun-its-exs01.saic.com>
Message-ID: <B8D815D9.2C12%pixelbird@interisland.net>

on 4/8/02 1:42 PM, Yates, Glen at JAMES.G.YATES at saic.com wrote:

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ken Norris (dialup) [mailto:pixelbird at interisland.net]
>> 
>> Anyway, FYI, I am still looking for parts, but I expect to
>> end up with a Mac
>> IIci with: Accelerator card, high res video, 128mb memory,
>> 9.1.gb drive (4
>> 2gb partitions, the rest for VRAM). I intend to use it as a dedicated
>> reference machine.
> 
> Gee, seems like it would be easier and cheaper to just get a second monitor
> for your main machine.
----------
I thought about that already, of course. There are a number of other
considerations, like memory, hard drive space, independent indexing and
lookup routines, having the right video, keeping two separate programs
running in the front, etc.

Besides, the Mac IIci was free, and it's kind of fun to see what I can make
it do. Even with all the upgrades, I'll still have no more than $130 or so
in it, including the monitor.

Of course, a beige tower with two hispeed G4 boards would do. That's where
I'm kind of headed in the near future. Since I have the PB, I might consider
building a rack-mount system.

Best regards,
Ken N.



From drvaughan55 at mac.com  Tue Apr  9 07:02:01 2002
From: drvaughan55 at mac.com (David Vaughan)
Date: Tue Apr  9 07:02:01 2002
Subject: Calculation question
In-Reply-To: <001301c1dfa3$076494a0$88b15bd1@lanfear>
Message-ID: <11F87514-4BA9-11D6-B99B-000393598038@mac.com>

On Tuesday, April 9, 2002, at 06:46 , Shao Sean wrote:

> if you're putting the text into a field (you said something about it 
> being
> placed there from a handler) just have a command
>
> do the text of field "math"
>
> take a look at the "do" command
>
"Do" is worth looking at but it works for Barry only if the field itself 
contains also "get" or "put" text, with further text needed in the field 
in the latter case to identify a target object other than the message 
box. If Barry is simply storing the arithmetic expression in the field 
then
get value(field "maths")
does the trick without putting Rev commands into the field text as well.

regards
David

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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From mike at essex-web.com  Tue Apr  9 08:47:01 2002
From: mike at essex-web.com (Michael Foy)
Date: Tue Apr  9 08:47:01 2002
Subject: Today's newbie question
References: <B8D815D9.2C12%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <001501c1dfc4$851ae180$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>

is there any reason why when you select the align text of a text field to
right justifed, the script is also right justified, feature or bug?

miock





From kevin at runrev.com  Tue Apr  9 09:10:01 2002
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Tue Apr  9 09:10:01 2002
Subject: Revolution and Internet Applications
In-Reply-To: <a05101503b8d6ea37686a@[63.205.23.218]>
Message-ID: <B8D8A65D.53D5%kevin@runrev.com>

On 8/4/02 7:09 am, Dan Shafer <dan at danshafer.com> wrote:

> Beyond that, general Internet support seems to be lacking.  Of
> course, there could be more than meets the eye; without a manual,
> it's hard to say. The scripting dictionary is useful, but there's no
> categorization so I can't, e.g., easily find a list of all
> net-related stuff. I keep having to follow "see also" links that
> sometimes don't go anywhere useful and often don't have links back to
> where I was. Or at least so it seems.

There is categorization in 1.1.1.  There is a menu at the top of the
dictionary that lets you select a category (in this case "Internet
library").  More to follow.

Kevin

Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
Tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165.  Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707.




From kevin at runrev.com  Tue Apr  9 09:16:01 2002
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Tue Apr  9 09:16:01 2002
Subject: clipboard extension 
In-Reply-To: <2AC58282-4A80-11D6-BCB4-000393853D6C@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <B8D8A7ED.53D7%kevin@runrev.com>

On 7/4/02 11:35 pm, Troy Rollins <troy at rpsystems.net> wrote:

>> How is it possible to accomplish this?  There must be
>> a way, as there are a ton of clipboard extension
>> programs that do just that; they are usally located in
>> the system tray, when running, I don't know if this
>> has anything to do with it or not.
> 
> Intercepting events system wide is generally not possible for something
> which is run as a program process. Rev is doing this presumably by
> trapping the keyboard command before it get's through to the system.
> However, if it is not the current frontmost application, it never gets
> the keystrokes to trap.
> 
> I believe it was Dar, who earlier in this list discussed making Rev apps
> a "service" on Windows. Implementation at this level may give you what
> you are looking for - I haven't done it, so I'm not sure.

You can continue to check what keys are down in the background using
Revolution by using the keysDown() function or the commandKey() / other
function key functions.  I'm not sure what you would use this for, but it
can be done.  For example:

on mouseUp
  send "checkKeys" to me in 10 milliseconds
end mouseUp

on checkKeys
  put keysDown() into fld 1
  send "checkKeys" to me in 10 milliseconds
end checkKeys

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
Tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165.  Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707.




From mike at essex-web.com  Tue Apr  9 09:19:01 2002
From: mike at essex-web.com (Michael Foy)
Date: Tue Apr  9 09:19:01 2002
Subject: and now a Tomorrow's newbie question
References: <B8D815D9.2C12%pixelbird@interisland.net> <001501c1dfc4$851ae180$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>
Message-ID: <001b01c1dfc9$0666b760$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>

I have a multilined field that is disabled so that it can't be changed it
has 17 lines (always) now I want to be able to slect one of the lines and
just to a particular card, is the a way of knowing which line is clicked or
will I have to put 17 invisible buttons on top of the field and have a
shared script to jump to the correct card?

Also it would be nice if we could have grid fields in future releases, so
that we can fill a field randomly(ish)

thanks

miock




From masgian at fx.ro  Tue Apr  9 09:23:01 2002
From: masgian at fx.ro (Mihai ASGIAN)
Date: Tue Apr  9 09:23:01 2002
Subject: SuperCARD, HyperCARD
Message-ID: <003901c1f75c$8d68ebc0$0100a8c0@spider>

lemme understand on ething, what are these ? im on Windows... are these ONLY Mac deveopment methods ? any URL if there is a Win version too ?

thanx and scuse the confusion, but when i dont know, i ask !
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From kevin at runrev.com  Tue Apr  9 09:29:01 2002
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Tue Apr  9 09:29:01 2002
Subject: MySQL and revolution
In-Reply-To: <DE8F7AB0-4952-11D6-8B0B-0003931E245A@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B8D8AAC3.53DA%kevin@runrev.com>

On 6/4/02 11:38 am, Guillaume Reys <guillaume_reys at mac.com> wrote:

> I've never use Database mySQL before OS X
> I have friends who works on UNIX and they say it is much more fast and
> easier than using a self made database.
> I made a program 10 years ago on HyperCard and I would like to put it on
> a database like My SQL.
> Is it possible to enter the data via Revolution ?
> How ?

Revolution has full support for MySQL databases - detailed documentation for
using these features can be accessed from the Development Guide inside the
program.

Kevin

Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
Tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165.  Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707.




From kevin at runrev.com  Tue Apr  9 09:34:01 2002
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Tue Apr  9 09:34:01 2002
Subject: SuperCARD, HyperCARD
In-Reply-To: <003901c1f75c$8d68ebc0$0100a8c0@spider>
Message-ID: <B8D8ABC2.53DF%kevin@runrev.com>

On 9/5/02 1:11 pm, Mihai ASGIAN <masgian at fx.ro> wrote:

> lemme understand on ething, what are these ? im on Windows... are these ONLY
> Mac deveopment methods ? any URL if there is a Win version too ?
> 
> thanx and scuse the confusion, but when i dont know, i ask !

These are Mac only development tools - neither of them runs on the latest
version of the Mac, OS X.  If you don't know what they are that doesn't
matter: you don't need to know anything more about these to use Revolution.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
Tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165.  Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707.




From mike at essex-web.com  Tue Apr  9 09:35:01 2002
From: mike at essex-web.com (Michael Foy)
Date: Tue Apr  9 09:35:01 2002
Subject: SuperCARD, HyperCARD
References: <003901c1f75c$8d68ebc0$0100a8c0@spider>
Message-ID: <002c01c1dfcb$3cbda060$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>

mac only :-)

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mihai ASGIAN 
  To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com 
  Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 2:11 PM
  Subject: SuperCARD, HyperCARD


  lemme understand on ething, what are these ? im on Windows... are these ONLY Mac deveopment methods ? any URL if there is a Win version too ?

  thanx and scuse the confusion, but when i dont know, i ask !
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From kmajor at metascape.org  Tue Apr  9 09:35:11 2002
From: kmajor at metascape.org (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue Apr  9 09:35:11 2002
Subject: and now a Tomorrow's newbie question
In-Reply-To: <001b01c1dfc9$0666b760$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>
Message-ID: <57950F64-4BBE-11D6-B7D9-003065D52E8E@metascape.org>

Hi Miok,

> I have a multilined field that is disabled so that it can't be changed 
> it
> has 17 lines (always) now I want to be able to slect one of the lines 
> and
> just to a particular card, is the a way of knowing which line is 
> clicked or
> will I have to put 17 invisible buttons on top of the field and have a
> shared script to jump to the correct card?

no, don't panic ;-)

Check the index for "the clickline".

> Also it would be nice if we could have grid fields in future releases, 
> so
> that we can fill a field randomly(ish)

Yes, it would :-)

> thanks
>
> miock

Regards


Klaus Major
kmajor at metascape.org



From mike at essex-web.com  Tue Apr  9 09:39:01 2002
From: mike at essex-web.com (Michael Foy)
Date: Tue Apr  9 09:39:01 2002
Subject: and now a Tomorrow's newbie question
References: <57950F64-4BBE-11D6-B7D9-003065D52E8E@metascape.org>
Message-ID: <003a01c1dfcb$e883ee40$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>

thanks

clickline really hepls, now anyone care to tell me how I could have found
that out, without this great group?

M




From kevin at runrev.com  Tue Apr  9 09:43:00 2002
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Tue Apr  9 09:43:00 2002
Subject: Rev and Flamethrower
In-Reply-To: <B8CF0770.2A406%wow@together.net>
Message-ID: <B8D8AE3F.53E5%kevin@runrev.com>

On 2/4/02 12:00 pm, Richard D. Miller <wow at together.net> wrote:

> I suppose I've worked with Rev enough now to say I prefer it over Supercard
> (even though Supercard is a very good product). Now if there was just some
> way to combine Rev with Flamethrower, that would produce an incredible web
> CGI development environment.
> 
> I know Rev has CGI commands, but they seem far more complex (and weaker)
> than the commands available through Flame. It's still not clear to me if Rev
> can be configured to receive messages back from a clients browser, anywhere,
> anytime...without having first initiated the call. Feedback on this would be
> helpful. I'd be working on a Mac through WebStar.
> 
> Is there any way to use the XCMD's from Flame in Rev? Any plans from the Rev
> people to expand Rev to become more like Flame?

If you have any specific feature requests, please feel free to send them in.
However I'm not aware off-hand of anything that Flame can do that Revolution
can't, and Revolution can do it both using the AppleEvents methods of the
Mac and facelessly on a UNIX server.  What is still lacking in this area is
some documentation...

Kevin

Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
Tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165.  Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707.




From kmajor at metascape.org  Tue Apr  9 09:57:00 2002
From: kmajor at metascape.org (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue Apr  9 09:57:00 2002
Subject: and now a Tomorrow's newbie question
In-Reply-To: <003a01c1dfcb$e883ee40$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>
Message-ID: <619EFBB0-4BC1-11D6-B7D9-003065D52E8E@metascape.org>

Hi Miok (what a lovely name ;-)

> thanks
>
> clickline really hepls, now anyone care to tell me how I could have 
> found
> that out, without this great group?

Hmmm, meditation ? :-D

> M

Best


Klaus Major
kmajor at metascape.org



From mike at essex-web.com  Tue Apr  9 10:18:01 2002
From: mike at essex-web.com (Michael Foy)
Date: Tue Apr  9 10:18:01 2002
Subject: and now a Tomorrow's newbie question
References: <619EFBB0-4BC1-11D6-B7D9-003065D52E8E@metascape.org>
Message-ID: <000d01c1dfd1$4ec86780$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>

hey you dropped my 'c', did anyone notice where it rolled to ?

oh and I would also like the TR to have selectable text, so that you could
copy and paste example code from the dictionary to your stack,

I want, I want I  want, that's all you ever hear here!

Here Here!!!


mioCk

----- Original Message -----
From: Klaus Major <kmajor at metascape.org>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: and now a Tomorrow's newbie question


> Hi Miok (what a lovely name ;-)
>
>




From wmb at internettrainer.com  Tue Apr  9 10:32:01 2002
From: wmb at internettrainer.com (Wolfgang M. Bereuter)
Date: Tue Apr  9 10:32:01 2002
Subject: Password-protecting a stack
In-Reply-To: <200204081119.HAA15407@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <B8D8C78E.AC46%wmb@internettrainer.com>

am 08.04.2002 13:19 Uhr schrieb use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com
unter use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com:

> Password-protecting a stack...
> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 02:31:21 -0500
> Reply-To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> 
> I have a standalone which creates stacks. I wish them to be protected. So, I
> set the password property of a newly created stack before saving it.
> 
> Now, when I launch RunRev, I can open and view the controls and fields of
> the newly password protected stack without any password prompt! I only get
> asked for the password when I attempt to access the scripts. Any idea on how
> I can prevent people from seeing the controls and fields as it is there I am
> storing information. Thanks for any help.

Chip,

I don?t know if I , as a non programmer, can help you with my "small"
solution..: 
All stacks are made before (build distribution) so there is no stack to
create...

I do the password with 3 different stacks (all opens in the window of the
stack)
1. stack = running engine = splash screen (cant save)
2. stack = register stack
3. stack = start stack (main)

when the user opens first time the programm (running engine), there is a
check on any click of the password property of the register stack
if its true any click brings him to the register card on the register stack
if its false he goes directly to the start stack (start of the programm)

on the register stack
the correct password brings him to the start stack and sets the  password
property of the register stack to false - so when he opens the programm
second (every) time he goes directly to the start stack.

Imho the user can?t see nothing and can?t open anything. All stacks are
compiled (encrypted) with password and there is a global - wich checks the
password or quit rev - in every stack to protect it from beeing opened
directly. Thats enough protection for my program...

I have a diagram wich shows this better than I can explain it. I can send it
to you...

regards
Wolfgang M. Bereuter

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From kmajor at metascape.org  Tue Apr  9 10:51:01 2002
From: kmajor at metascape.org (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue Apr  9 10:51:01 2002
Subject: and now a Tomorrow's newbie question
In-Reply-To: <000d01c1dfd1$4ec86780$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>
Message-ID: <DB37309A-4BC8-11D6-B7D9-003065D52E8E@metascape.org>

Hi Miock,

hey, my name is Klaus and you dropped all 5 chars of it ;-)

> hey you dropped my 'c', did anyone notice where it rolled to ?

Ooops, found it under my desk.

The rest of you can stop searching.

Here is the little sucker, just like new: c

> oh and I would also like the TR to have selectable text, so that you 
> could
> copy and paste example code from the dictionary to your stack,
>
> I want, I want I  want, that's all you ever hear here!
>
> Here Here!!!

Yes yes, you you... :-D

> mioCk

> From: Klaus Major <kmajor at metascape.org>
> To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 2:54 PM
> Subject: Re: and now a Tomorrow's newbie question
>
>> Hi Miok (what a lovely name ;-)


Have fun...

Best

Klaus



From troy at rpsystems.net  Tue Apr  9 10:54:01 2002
From: troy at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Tue Apr  9 10:54:01 2002
Subject: Revolution and Internet Applications
In-Reply-To: <B8D8A65D.53D5%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <7FC1D5FC-4BC9-11D6-BA8C-000393853D6C@rpsystems.net>

On Tuesday, April 9, 2002, at 10:08 AM, Kevin Miller wrote:

> There is categorization in 1.1.1.  There is a menu at the top of the
> dictionary that lets you select a category (in this case "Internet
> library").  More to follow.

The new category drop down in the transcript dictionary is an excellent 
step forward. Well done!

I too have yelled loudly for more and more documentation - but only 
because Transcript and Revolution's capabilities are SO broad.

Keep it up. (We're watching for those printed docs too, Heather.)

:-)

--
Troy
RPSystems
www.rpsystems.net



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Apr  9 11:03:14 2002
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue Apr  9 11:03:14 2002
Subject: SuperCARD, HyperCARD
References: <B8D8ABC2.53DF%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <004201c1dfd7$34288d00$7c00a8c0@mckinley.dom>

Actually, one clarification - SuperCard and Hypercard will run in the
Classic partition of Mac OS X. HyperCard is dead (AFAIK), and based on
rumblings on the SuperCard list, there will be a Carbon version of SuperCard
"coming soon". But neither will work on Windows or Unix... which is one of
the reasons we all use Revolution. ;-)

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Miller" <kevin at runrev.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: SuperCARD, HyperCARD


> On 9/5/02 1:11 pm, Mihai ASGIAN <masgian at fx.ro> wrote:
>
> > lemme understand on ething, what are these ? im on Windows... are these
ONLY
> > Mac deveopment methods ? any URL if there is a Win version too ?
> >
> > thanx and scuse the confusion, but when i dont know, i ask !
>
> These are Mac only development tools - neither of them runs on the latest
> version of the Mac, OS X.  If you don't know what they are that doesn't
> matter: you don't need to know anything more about these to use
Revolution.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Kevin
>
> Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
> Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
> Tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165.  Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Apr  9 11:55:02 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue Apr  9 11:55:02 2002
Subject: Auto-remove blank lines in a list field
In-Reply-To: <a05100304b8d7d56215ed@[188.9.94.76]>
Message-ID: <42A04BB0-4BD1-11D6-A716-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Monday, April 8, 2002, at 05:18 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote:

> Interesting -- Since * matches zero or more of any character, I 
> would have thought that "*" would match the empty string, and thus 
> wouldn't filter anything. It appears I was mistaken.

"?*" is clearer.

Dar Scott



From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Apr  9 12:09:00 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue Apr  9 12:09:00 2002
Subject: Revolution and Internet Applications
In-Reply-To: <7FC1D5FC-4BC9-11D6-BA8C-000393853D6C@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <4679A924-4BD3-11D6-A716-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Tuesday, April 9, 2002, at 08:53 AM, Troy Rollins wrote:

> The new category drop down in the transcript dictionary is an 
> excellent step forward. Well done!

I look forward to this.  As often is the case, the RR folks come up 
with something before I get around to asking.

Dar Scott




From troy at rpsystems.net  Tue Apr  9 12:18:01 2002
From: troy at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Tue Apr  9 12:18:01 2002
Subject: Revolution (Dictionary) and Internet Applications
In-Reply-To: <4679A924-4BD3-11D6-A716-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <271BDF3C-4BD5-11D6-BA8C-000393853D6C@rpsystems.net>

On Tuesday, April 9, 2002, at 12:03 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

> I look forward to this.  As often is the case, the RR folks come up 
> with something before I get around to asking.

Yes, I asked Jeanne to add some categorizing to the dictionary some time 
ago, mostly to indicated deprecated terms and platform specific issues. 
What RR did implement is even beyond what I had hoped for - it's useful 
every time I open the dictionary.

--
Troy
RPSystems
www.rpsystems.net



From dan at danshafer.com  Tue Apr  9 12:35:02 2002
From: dan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Tue Apr  9 12:35:02 2002
Subject: Revolution and Internet Applications
In-Reply-To: <B8D8A65D.53D5%kevin@runrev.com>
References: <B8D8A65D.53D5%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05101509b8d8c84873e1@[63.205.23.218]>

>On 8/4/02 7:09 am, Dan Shafer <dan at danshafer.com> wrote:
>
>>  Beyond that, general Internet support seems to be lacking.  Of
>>  course, there could be more than meets the eye; without a manual,
>>  it's hard to say. The scripting dictionary is useful, but there's no
>>  categorization so I can't, e.g., easily find a list of all
>>  net-related stuff. I keep having to follow "see also" links that
>>  sometimes don't go anywhere useful and often don't have links back to
>>  where I was. Or at least so it seems.
>
>There is categorization in 1.1.1.  There is a menu at the top of the
>dictionary that lets you select a category (in this case "Internet
>library").  More to follow.

If you say so. I'm running on OS X and I don't see such a menu! I 
have only Go Back and See Also menus in the Transcript Reference 
window. Nothing on the menu bar either, as far as I can tell.

>Kevin
>
>Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
>Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
>Tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165.  Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707.
>
>
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Apr  9 12:54:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue Apr  9 12:54:01 2002
Subject: Revolution (Dictionary) and Internet Applications
In-Reply-To: <271BDF3C-4BD5-11D6-BA8C-000393853D6C@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <7BBE6034-4BD9-11D6-A716-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Tuesday, April 9, 2002, at 10:16 AM, Troy Rollins wrote:

>> I look forward to this.  As often is the case, the RR folks come 
>> up with something before I get around to asking.
>
> Yes, I asked Jeanne to add some categorizing to the dictionary 
> some time ago, mostly to indicated deprecated terms and platform 
> specific issues. What RR did implement is even beyond what I had 
> hoped for - it's useful every time I open the dictionary.
>
Is this in 1.1.1?  I don't see it.

Dar Scott




From troy at rpsystems.net  Tue Apr  9 13:13:01 2002
From: troy at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Tue Apr  9 13:13:01 2002
Subject: Revolution (Dictionary) and Internet Applications
In-Reply-To: <7BBE6034-4BD9-11D6-A716-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <BECFF32A-4BDC-11D6-BA8C-000393853D6C@rpsystems.net>

On Tuesday, April 9, 2002, at 12:47 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

>>> I look forward to this.  As often is the case, the RR folks come up 
>>> with something before I get around to asking.
>>
>> Yes, I asked Jeanne to add some categorizing to the dictionary some 
>> time ago, mostly to indicated deprecated terms and platform specific 
>> issues. What RR did implement is even beyond what I had hoped for - 
>> it's useful every time I open the dictionary.
>>
> Is this in 1.1.1?  I don't see it.

Attempted to send a screenshot, but it is held up in customs ;)

Yes 1.1.1, yes OSX.

Over the filter field, in the main dictionary window is the new category 
pulldown.

HTH

--
Troy
RPSystems
www.rpsystems.net



From dan at clearvisiontech.com  Tue Apr  9 13:17:01 2002
From: dan at clearvisiontech.com (Dan Friedman)
Date: Tue Apr  9 13:17:01 2002
Subject: Calendar Object 1.0 for RunRev  
Message-ID: <B8D86FA7.1126%dan@clearvisiontech.com>

Shao Sean,

Neat little calendar!  Is there a way [in script] to set the calendar to a
particular day?

Thanks!



From dan at danshafer.com  Tue Apr  9 13:41:01 2002
From: dan at danshafer.com (Dan Shafer)
Date: Tue Apr  9 13:41:01 2002
Subject: Revolution (Dictionary) and Internet Applications
In-Reply-To: <BECFF32A-4BDC-11D6-BA8C-000393853D6C@rpsystems.net>
References: <BECFF32A-4BDC-11D6-BA8C-000393853D6C@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <a0510150bb8d8d757fb5f@[63.205.23.218]>

Aha! Mystery solved.

When you select "Transcript Dictionary" from the Help menu, you get a 
completely different product/result than if you select "Transcript 
Language Dictionary" from the Revolution Documentation window. I 
don't know if this is intentional, if there are really two different 
things at work here, or what. But I had gotten into the habit of 
doing the former, so I hadn't even *looked* at the latter until today.

Interesting.

>On Tuesday, April 9, 2002, at 12:47 PM, Dar Scott wrote:
>
>>>>I look forward to this.  As often is the case, the RR folks come 
>>>>up with something before I get around to asking.
>>>
>>>Yes, I asked Jeanne to add some categorizing to the dictionary 
>>>some time ago, mostly to indicated deprecated terms and platform 
>>>specific issues. What RR did implement is even beyond what I had 
>>>hoped for - it's useful every time I open the dictionary.
>>>
>>Is this in 1.1.1?  I don't see it.
>
>Attempted to send a screenshot, but it is held up in customs ;)
>
>Yes 1.1.1, yes OSX.
>
>Over the filter field, in the main dictionary window is the new 
>category pulldown.
>
>HTH
>
>--
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>RPSystems
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>
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From shaosean at unitz.ca  Tue Apr  9 14:33:01 2002
From: shaosean at unitz.ca (Shao Sean)
Date: Tue Apr  9 14:33:01 2002
Subject: Calculation question
References: <11F87514-4BA9-11D6-B99B-000393598038@mac.com>
Message-ID: <002101c1dff4$4faf0910$88b15bd1@lanfear>

thanks for the clarification between the two commands.. i've tried using the
"value" command before to no avail, but perhaps i'll look into it again for
future projects (i've never used the "do" command, just remembered it from
earlier threads)



From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Apr  9 14:34:00 2002
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue Apr  9 14:34:00 2002
Subject: Password-protecting a stack
In-Reply-To: <B8D8C78E.AC46%wmb@internettrainer.com>
Message-ID: <MPELJJGBBDPBNCHJHAOOCEHECGAA.chipp@chipp.com>

Thanks for your response, Wolfgang.

I understand what you're saying. The problem I'm having is that I can save a
stack, set the password, but still anyone with RunRev can view the contents
of the saved stack (and are only prompted for the password when they try to
edit a script) -- as I'm saving the stack for ONLY the contents (as in a
datafile) it doesn't provide me much security.

thanks anyway,

Chipp



From bmmeili at swissonline.ch  Tue Apr  9 15:15:01 2002
From: bmmeili at swissonline.ch (meili)
Date: Tue Apr  9 15:15:01 2002
Subject: new substack by script
Message-ID: <B8D90A06.C4A%bmmeili@swissonline.ch>

hi
Is it possible to create a new substack of an existing main stack by script?
I tried to do this in different ways, but I wasn't successful. If the answer
is YES - so, can I do the same in a standalone (I suppose NO)?
Martin



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Tue Apr  9 15:33:01 2002
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Tue Apr  9 15:33:01 2002
Subject: SuperCARD, HyperCARD
In-Reply-To: <004201c1dfd7$34288d00$7c00a8c0@mckinley.dom>
Message-ID: <B8D890F2.2C4C%pixelbird@interisland.net>

on 4/9/02 7:59 AM, Ken Ray at kray at sonsothunder.com wrote:

> HyperCard is dead (AFAIK)
----------
Pardon me, Ken, but I think this is hardly a fair statement to make. Apple
still sells the software which includes mind-blowing integrated QT support,
for $99 U.S. The HC list still has many hundreds of members, the iHug and
eHug groups are very active. The app is being used worldwide by companies
such as Renault (uses it for their parts DB). I agree, it falls behind in
some things, but it also has a much easier-to-use interface, has a number of
well-known comprehensive reference books (I own five of them), and, although
it doesn't have MC/Rev's native color (and many other wonderful things which
require XCMD's in HC) or cross platform ability, it is rock stable by
comparison. Over the years, there have been, and continue to be, a number of
look alike xCard RAD environments, but I sincerely believe _none_ of them
would exist if there had never been a Bill Atkinson (and crew) or a
HyperCard.

I wouldn't write it off completely. It is still arguably the easiest to use,
most stable RAD tool in the world. It is _not_ legacy software yet.

But I think Rev is a wonderful project, and I pray Kevin and crew continue
to refine it. Just having Jeanne aboard is a big asset. There are things I
personally have some frustrating problems with: UI logic and layout (you can
write your own if you want), speed, documentation support, stability, but
these have mostly to do with being cross-platform, and are fixable over
time.

Best regards,
Ken N.
 



From k_major at osnabrueck.netsurf.de  Tue Apr  9 16:40:00 2002
From: k_major at osnabrueck.netsurf.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue Apr  9 16:40:00 2002
Subject: new substack by script
In-Reply-To: <B8D90A06.C4A%bmmeili@swissonline.ch>
Message-ID: <CEBC8B08-4BF9-11D6-8534-000A27B49A96@osnabrueck.netsurf.de>

Hi Martin,

> hi
> Is it possible to create a new substack of an existing main stack by 
> script?

Yes :-)

create stack "xxx"
set the mainstack of stack "xxx" to "your_main_stack"

> I tried to do this in different ways, but I wasn't successful. If the 
> answer
> is YES - so, can I do the same in a standalone (I suppose NO)?

Stacks inside standalones cannot be saved.

Leave them out of the standalone and it will work.

> Martin


Regards


Klaus Major
k_major at osnabrueck.netsurf.de



From themacguy at mac.com  Tue Apr  9 16:48:01 2002
From: themacguy at mac.com (Barry Levine)
Date: Tue Apr  9 16:48:01 2002
Subject: Thank you...now how about Reports?
Message-ID: <B895B64F-4BFA-11D6-81BF-003065BC131C@mac.com>

Firstly, a big "Thank You" to the folks who suggested the "value" 
function for my question about evaluating the contents of a field 
containing a mathematical formula. Problem solved!

Now, how about "reports"? What I mean by that is some kind of formatted 
report I can generate from a delimited-text source file. Here's one 
solution that comes to mind:

1. Create a stack with a non-scrolling field that is no more than the 
width of the printable page.
2. Set tabs to something like 72 pixels (=72 points=2").
3. Get the file's data and parse through it adding tabs and returns as 
necessary.

One problem I see right off the bat is that if any of the data "columns" 
are wider than what I expect, I might add an extra tab which would throw 
off the rest of that line's alignment.

I appreciate any advice from the RevKahunas.

Regards,

Barry
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From prodevm at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  9 17:22:00 2002
From: prodevm at yahoo.com (Steve L)
Date: Tue Apr  9 17:22:00 2002
Subject: small business license
Message-ID: <20020409212102.49205.qmail@web20309.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,

I was actually thinking about getting a small business
license for Rev, however, upon reading the pricing I
am confused:

The way I am understanding it is that you pay $299.99
for the small business license and a year of
updates/upgrades, then if you waht updates/upgrades
beyond the first year, you must pay another $299.99
per year.  

Is this right?  In order to have an updated program it
is going to cost $299.99 per year?

If so, wow; I never heard of updates/upgrades costing
as much as the product itself.

I'm I reading this right?

Thanks

Steve

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From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Tue Apr  9 17:39:01 2002
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Tue Apr  9 17:39:01 2002
Subject: and now a Tomorrow's newbie question
In-Reply-To: <003a01c1dfcb$e883ee40$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>
References: <57950F64-4BBE-11D6-B7D9-003065D52E8E@metascape.org>
 <003a01c1dfcb$e883ee40$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>
Message-ID: <a0510030ab8d90cb59c6f@[206.117.139.34]>

At 3:17 PM +0100 4/9/02, Michael Foy wrote:
>oh and I would also like the TR to have selectable text, so that you could
>copy and paste example code from the dictionary to your stack,

Hold down the option/alt key, drag through the text, and it will be copied to the clipboard.
-- 

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com



From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Tue Apr  9 17:41:02 2002
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Tue Apr  9 17:41:02 2002
Subject: AppleScript help
In-Reply-To: <B8D1DD32.63B0%iansummerfield@btconnect.com>
References: <B8D1DD32.63B0%iansummerfield@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <a0510030bb8d90ffe61fc@[206.117.139.34]>

>I can't get my OS X system to shut down the power to the Mac:
>
>Do "tell app " & quote & "Finder" & quote & " to shut down" as applescript
>
>It doesn't work, revolution itself cancels the shut down because it's too
>busy waiting for a result from AppleScript to do the quit!  Can I fire off
>AppleScripts without waiting for the response?
>
>Has anyone a better way to power off?  I get a message from my UPS that I
>have only ten minutes battery left and I want to cleanly shut down the
>system.

I haven't tried it from within Revolution, but you might try:

ignoring application responses
	tell application "Finder" to shut down
end ignoring
-- 

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com



From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Tue Apr  9 18:28:00 2002
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Tue Apr  9 18:28:00 2002
Subject: Password-protecting a stack
In-Reply-To: <p0510158db8d8e6373c3d@[192.168.1.2]>
Message-ID: <CF2E45DE-4C08-11D6-98CC-00306566C7B4@genesearch.com.au>

One possibility could be to store your data in the scripts :-)
Also, how do custom properties show? Are they password-protected?

Sarah

> I understand what you're saying. The problem I'm having is that I can 
> save a
> stack, set the password, but still anyone with RunRev can view the 
> contents
> of the saved stack (and are only prompted for the password when they 
> try to
> edit a script) -- as I'm saving the stack for ONLY the contents (as in a
> datafile) it doesn't provide me much security.
>




From drvaughan55 at mac.com  Tue Apr  9 18:37:02 2002
From: drvaughan55 at mac.com (David Vaughan)
Date: Tue Apr  9 18:37:02 2002
Subject: Password-protecting a stack
In-Reply-To: <MPELJJGBBDPBNCHJHAOOCEHECGAA.chipp@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <2CFE5176-4C0A-11D6-B99B-000393598038@mac.com>

Chipp

Do you need to go cross-platform? How good do you need the protection to 
be?

I was thinking that you may be able to use a scriptable encryption 
program on OSX to secure your stack between use, although it would still 
be accessible during the time it was decrypted and in use.

A stream encryptor would remove the accessible-file problem, so the data 
was stored in a file and decrypted only in memory for insertion in an 
empty stack at startup (if that is where you need to have it). I do not 
know immediately of any stream encryptors useable by Rev unless you 
write a basic one yourself although I am sure they are out there (at 
least as a set of algorithms). It seems a popular field for writing 
free- and shareware.

Sorry about the "thoughts" rather than "answers" nature of the response.

regards
David

On Wednesday, April 10, 2002, at 04:32 , Chipp Walters wrote:

> Thanks for your response, Wolfgang.
>
> I understand what you're saying. The problem I'm having is that I can 
> save a
> stack, set the password, but still anyone with RunRev can view the 
> contents
> of the saved stack (and are only prompted for the password when they 
> try to
> edit a script) -- as I'm saving the stack for ONLY the contents (as in a
> datafile) it doesn't provide me much security.
>
> thanks anyway,
>
> Chipp
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Apr  9 21:36:00 2002
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue Apr  9 21:36:00 2002
Subject: Password-protecting a stack
References: <200204092238.SAA30083@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3CB396D4.C64A7E77@hyperactivesw.com>

"Chipp Walters" <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:

> The problem I'm having is that I can save a
> stack, set the password, but still anyone with RunRev can view the contents
> of the saved stack (and are only prompted for the password when they try to
> edit a script) -- as I'm saving the stack for ONLY the contents (as in a
> datafile) it doesn't provide me much security.

This may not be super-secure, but depending on your needs, it might
work. There is a built-in base64 encoding command. You could write a
script something like this:

on closecard
  repeat with x = 1 to the number of flds
    put base64endcode(fld x) into fld x
  end repeat
end closecard

on preopencard
  repeat with x = 1 to the number of flds
    put base64decode(fld x) into fld x
  end repeat
end preopencard

Or you could manage the encoding somewhere else (openstack? whatever.)
Require a password before decoding is enabled.

This isn't exactly foolproof, because anyone with a base64 decryptor
could un-encode it, but it would keep casual eyes from seeing what's in
the fields.

Another approach would be to store the encoded text as a custom property
of its field, and just empty the field when you don't want people to see
it. Even if they looked at the file in a text editor, the custom
properties would be encoded and therefore unreadable (at least,
unreadable without some effort.)

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Apr  9 22:11:01 2002
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue Apr  9 22:11:01 2002
Subject: SuperCARD, HyperCARD
References: <B8D890F2.2C4C%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <004f01c1e034$68745460$af0e48a6@mckinley.dom>

Ken,

Sorry about that. What I meant is that it is dead as far as Apple is
concerned. It still sells the software, but (as you know) it hasn't been
touched since 2.4.1 was released many many years ago. Try calling Apple for
tech support on it, or asking "what's Apple going to do with HyperCard?" at
a trade show. ;-)

I know that there are many people and companies still using it, and you're
absolutely right that it is the father of all the xCard environments. But
all it takes for it to be "legacy" is for Apple to pull the page on the web
site and stop selling it.

I don't mean to start anything... far from it. In fact, I started myself
with HyperCard 1.0 (as I'm sure many others on this list have). But given
the fact that Apple is barely acknowledging its existence, it is certainly
not the "tool of choice" any more.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Norris (dialup)" <pixelbird at interisland.net>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: SuperCARD, HyperCARD


> on 4/9/02 7:59 AM, Ken Ray at kray at sonsothunder.com wrote:
>
> > HyperCard is dead (AFAIK)
> ----------
> Pardon me, Ken, but I think this is hardly a fair statement to make. Apple
> still sells the software which includes mind-blowing integrated QT
support,
> for $99 U.S. The HC list still has many hundreds of members, the iHug and
> eHug groups are very active. The app is being used worldwide by companies
> such as Renault (uses it for their parts DB). I agree, it falls behind in
> some things, but it also has a much easier-to-use interface, has a number
of
> well-known comprehensive reference books (I own five of them), and,
although
> it doesn't have MC/Rev's native color (and many other wonderful things
which
> require XCMD's in HC) or cross platform ability, it is rock stable by
> comparison. Over the years, there have been, and continue to be, a number
of
> look alike xCard RAD environments, but I sincerely believe _none_ of them
> would exist if there had never been a Bill Atkinson (and crew) or a
> HyperCard.
>
> I wouldn't write it off completely. It is still arguably the easiest to
use,
> most stable RAD tool in the world. It is _not_ legacy software yet.
>
> But I think Rev is a wonderful project, and I pray Kevin and crew continue
> to refine it. Just having Jeanne aboard is a big asset. There are things I
> personally have some frustrating problems with: UI logic and layout (you
can
> write your own if you want), speed, documentation support, stability, but
> these have mostly to do with being cross-platform, and are fixable over
> time.
>
> Best regards,
> Ken N.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>




From prodevm at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  9 23:34:01 2002
From: prodevm at yahoo.com (Steve L)
Date: Tue Apr  9 23:34:01 2002
Subject: Custom property settings
Message-ID: <20020410033228.11223.qmail@web20307.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello all,

I am trying to create a few custom properties, for the
"do" command, via clicking on the custom tab in the
properties palette:

once there, on the left side are setting for "custom
property sets", and "property set keys" on the right
side.

I cannot figure out how to set this up; I went through
all of the reference guides and can't find anything,
showing how to do this through the properties palette.

Here is an example of what I am trying to do:

This would be on a stack script:

on preOpenCard
do the exampleThing to me
end preOpenCard

Then a custom property would be created via the custom
tab on the stacks property palette:

exampleThing

Then list the sript/commands in the property contents
box at the bottom.

Where do you put exampleThing, under the "custom
property sets"? If so, what would go under "property
set keys"?
Or, would it go under "property set keys"?  If so,
what would go under "custom property sets"?

I am sure this is a simple thing to do, but i can't
find any instruction on doing this.  Probally, just a
newbie oversight.

Any help would be appreciated.

Steve




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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 10 01:51:01 2002
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Wed Apr 10 01:51:01 2002
Subject: Custom property settings
In-Reply-To: <20020410033228.11223.qmail@web20307.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20020410054949.38511.qmail@web11908.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Steve,

Here's how things work: the left table shows which
_set_ of custom properties is available, and the right
table shows the custom properties within the selected
set.

In order to add a new custom property to an object,
select 'customKeys' in the left table, and click the
"New..." button under the right table.
This will prompt you for the name of the new custom
property ; after that, enter the content of the new
custom property in the field below the tables.

Now that we've got that covered, let's go one step
deeper: custom property sets.

The idea of custom property _sets_ is that you can
quickly switch between whole groups of custom
properties each with their own contents even if they
have the same name as a custom property in a different
set.

A possible use is that you could have a script in a
button that works depending on the content of custom
properties.
Then, instead of having to change (and lose the
original) content of a group of custom properties, you
can just switch between two sets by issueing a

  set the customPropertySet of object to myCustomKeys

And now the button script can base itself on a
different, but consistent set of contents for custom
properties -- so no more worrying 'did I forget to
change that custom property as well?'

Hope this answered your questions,

Jan Schenkel.

"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish
at the same time."  (De Rochefoucald)

PS: might I also suggest you

  do the exampleScript of me

and not _to_ me :-)


--- Steve L <prodevm at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I am trying to create a few custom properties, for
> the
> "do" command, via clicking on the custom tab in the
> properties palette:
> 
> once there, on the left side are setting for "custom
> property sets", and "property set keys" on the right
> side.
> 
> I cannot figure out how to set this up; I went
> through
> all of the reference guides and can't find anything,
> showing how to do this through the properties
> palette.
> 
> Here is an example of what I am trying to do:
> 
> This would be on a stack script:
> 
> on preOpenCard
> do the exampleThing to me
> end preOpenCard
> 
> Then a custom property would be created via the
> custom
> tab on the stacks property palette:
> 
> exampleThing
> 
> Then list the sript/commands in the property
> contents
> box at the bottom.
> 
> Where do you put exampleThing, under the "custom
> property sets"? If so, what would go under "property
> set keys"?
> Or, would it go under "property set keys"?  If so,
> what would go under "custom property sets"?
> 
> I am sure this is a simple thing to do, but i can't
> find any instruction on doing this.  Probally, just
> a
> newbie oversight.
> 
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From pixelbird at interisland.net  Wed Apr 10 02:31:01 2002
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Wed Apr 10 02:31:01 2002
Subject: SuperCARD, HyperCARD
In-Reply-To: <004f01c1e034$68745460$af0e48a6@mckinley.dom>
Message-ID: <B8D92B1B.2CA9%pixelbird@interisland.net>

on 4/9/02 7:07 PM, Ken Ray at kray at sonsothunder.com wrote:
 
> I know that there are many people and companies still using it, and you're
> absolutely right that it is the father of all the xCard environments. But
> all it takes for it to be "legacy" is for Apple to pull the page on the web
> site and stop selling it.
----------
What if the companies who use it everyday tell Apple they won't buy new
Apple computers unless they upgrade HyperCard to work on them? We may not
see that kind of backlash for another year or two, because what they're
using now is just fine.
----------
> I don't mean to start anything... far from it.
----------
I know, I'm sorry, too. Didn't mean to jump up on my soap box, it's just
that I'm frustrated. I've spent so darned much time trying to figure out how
to group my full screen image, I'm burnt. I still can't understand why it's
missing 20 or thirty pixel rows off the top, won't stay where I put it, and
I can't get rid of the menubar. None of this makes any sense to me. Why on
earth should I have to do crazy extra scripting and manipulation to make it
be like it was when I put it there? It's just an 800x600 image for cryin'
out loud.

Best regards,
Ken N.



From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Wed Apr 10 05:06:01 2002
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed Apr 10 05:06:01 2002
Subject: SuperCARD, HyperCARD
In-Reply-To: <B8D92B1B.2CA9%pixelbird@interisland.net>
References: <B8D92B1B.2CA9%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <a05100314b8d9b08aa1bb@[206.117.139.34]>

At 11:34 PM -0700 4/9/02, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:
>I've spent so darned much time trying to figure out how
>to group my full screen image, I'm burnt. I still can't understand why it's
>missing 20 or thirty pixel rows off the top, won't stay where I put it, and
>I can't get rid of the menubar. None of this makes any sense to me. Why on
>earth should I have to do crazy extra scripting and manipulation to make it
>be like it was when I put it there? It's just an 800x600 image for cryin'
>out loud.

I meant to respond to this earlier -- have you set the windowBoundingRect?
-- 

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com


From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Wed Apr 10 07:35:01 2002
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Wed Apr 10 07:35:01 2002
Subject: Custom property settings
In-Reply-To: <20020410054949.38511.qmail@web11908.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20020410054949.38511.qmail@web11908.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p05100300b8d9d2d9540c@[10.0.1.202]>

>Hi Steve,
>
>Here's how things work: the left table shows which
>_set_ of custom properties is available, and the right
>table shows the custom properties within the selected
>set.
>
>In order to add a new custom property to an object,
>select 'customKeys' in the left table, and click the
>"New..." button under the right table.
>This will prompt you for the name of the new custom
>property ; after that, enter the content of the new
>custom property in the field below the tables.
>
>Now that we've got that covered, let's go one step
>deeper: custom property sets.
>
>The idea of custom property _sets_ is that you can
>quickly switch between whole groups of custom
>properties each with their own contents even if they
>have the same name as a custom property in a different
>set.
>
>A possible use is that you could have a script in a
>button that works depending on the content of custom
>properties.
>Then, instead of having to change (and lose the
>original) content of a group of custom properties, you
>can just switch between two sets by issueing a
>
>   set the customPropertySet of object to myCustomKeys
>
>And now the button script can base itself on a
>different, but consistent set of contents for custom
>properties -- so no more worrying 'did I forget to
>change that custom property as well?'
>
>Hope this answered your questions,
>
>Jan Schenkel.
>


I'm very happy someone gives the whole explanation of that. It's very 
useful but complex. So the full explanation gives the opportunity to 
use this feature.

Thanks.
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From kevin at runrev.com  Wed Apr 10 07:39:01 2002
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Wed Apr 10 07:39:01 2002
Subject: Resolution of printed images
In-Reply-To: <9473B172-3E9D-11D6-8BD5-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <B8D9DBDD.546F%kevin@runrev.com>

On 23/3/02 8:35 pm, Dar Scott <dsc at swcp.com> wrote:

> Is there a way to print images at a higher resolution than screen.

High resolution images will work unless they have a transparent mask, in
which case they are printed at screen resolution.  You can import an image
then scale it, it will print in its original resolution.

Kevin

Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
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From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Wed Apr 10 07:44:00 2002
Subject: See Runtime Revolution at WWDC - Act now!
Message-ID: <B8D9E3D7.547F%kevin@runrev.com>

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From Doug_Ivers at lord.com  Wed Apr 10 07:49:01 2002
From: Doug_Ivers at lord.com (Ivers, Doug E)
Date: Wed Apr 10 07:49:01 2002
Subject: getting paid
Message-ID: <6150F6099DBED111852E0008C7241464049B379E@NTSRV-CRD04>

I'm still trying to figure out how to protect my time investment.  Don't get me wrong, I love the shareware idea, but the reality is that few users get around to paying.  This is the scenario I want to guard against:  a paying customer downloads my standalone & data stacks and enters the correct password (which does not unlock the scripts but allows use of the stacks).  Then he/she sends the unlocked copy to all his/her friends who never pay.  Or worse -- someone puts the unlocked copy on their web site.

I'm considering 3 possibilities:  1) generate a password based on when the standalone file was created on the user's hard drive.  2) generate a password based on the full path to the standalone.  3) create a preferences file somewhere else on the hard drive which stores the encrypted password.

Regarding #1, I haven't found a Rev command to access the creation date, but this seems to be the best method of the 3.  Regarding #2, if the user changes a folder name or hierarchy, then they would need to re-register to get a new password.  Of course, I'd like to avoid this both for their sake and for mine.  #3 is very easy to discover and defeat (the preferences file can be sent along with the stack to other users).  Perhaps it could be a hidden file, but I don't like it when apps create extraneous files on my hard drive, so I don't want to do that to other folks.

Needing advice,

-- D



From mike at essex-web.com  Wed Apr 10 08:39:01 2002
From: mike at essex-web.com (Michael Foy)
Date: Wed Apr 10 08:39:01 2002
Subject: getting paid
References: <6150F6099DBED111852E0008C7241464049B379E@NTSRV-CRD04>
Message-ID: <001701c1e08c$76a2ab60$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>

generate the password on the person's name, then anytime they send the
software off to someone else,  it has their name on it, they WILL worry and
think twice before passing the program on, they just don't know where it
will end up, right back at your doorstep, then.....


miock

----- Original Message -----
From: Ivers, Doug E <Doug_Ivers at lord.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>; <kevin at runrev.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: getting paid


> I'm still trying to figure out how to protect my time investment.  Don't
get me wrong, I love the shareware idea, but the reality is that few users
get around to paying.  This is the scenario I want to guard against:  a
paying customer downloads my standalone & data stacks and enters the correct
password (which does not unlock the scripts but allows use of the stacks).
Then he/she sends the unlocked copy to all his/her friends who never pay.
Or worse -- someone puts the unlocked copy on their web site.
>
> I'm considering 3 possibilities:  1) generate a password based on when the
standalone file was created on the user's hard drive.  2) generate a
password based on the full path to the standalone.  3) create a preferences
file somewhere else on the hard drive which stores the encrypted password.
>
> Regarding #1, I haven't found a Rev command to access the creation date,
but this seems to be the best method of the 3.  Regarding #2, if the user
changes a folder name or hierarchy, then they would need to re-register to
get a new password.  Of course, I'd like to avoid this both for their sake
and for mine.  #3 is very easy to discover and defeat (the preferences file
can be sent along with the stack to other users).  Perhaps it could be a
hidden file, but I don't like it when apps create extraneous files on my
hard drive, so I don't want to do that to other folks.
>
> Needing advice,
>
> -- D
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>




From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Wed Apr 10 10:43:18 2002
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Wed Apr 10 10:43:18 2002
Subject: filter command
Message-ID: <p05100300b8d9f66c60b1@[10.0.1.201]>

Hello,


I have two flds. There are list flds.
I'd like to put in a variable the lines which are common to the two flds

example

Fld 1

one
three
five


Fld 2

One
two
three
four


the variable must contain :

one
three

How to proceed ?


thanks.
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From harrison at all-auctions.com  Wed Apr 10 10:45:04 2002
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Richard Harrison)
Date: Wed Apr 10 10:45:04 2002
Subject: getting paid
In-Reply-To: <001701c1e08c$76a2ab60$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>
Message-ID: <B8D9C507.75C%harrison@all-auctions.com>

on 4/10/2002 8:37 AM, Michael Foy at mike at essex-web.com wrote:

> generate the password on the person's name, then anytime they send the
> software off to someone else,  it has their name on it, they WILL worry and
> think twice before passing the program on, they just don't know where it
> will end up, right back at your doorstep, then.....
> 
> 
> miock


Good idea!  Better yet, base it on the person's name, address, email
address, and phone number!!!

Rick Harrison





From rcozens at pon.net  Wed Apr 10 10:45:15 2002
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Wed Apr 10 10:45:15 2002
Subject: MOD function does not work!  So be warned!
Message-ID: <a05100300b8d9f9d395ae@[216.229.107.234]>

Hi All,

In preparation for stating my case to the Xtalks List I have created 
an html page containing the gist of our conversation re mod.  I am 
missing Dar's last post comparing the rules of mod in different 
languages & discussing the differences between mod & remainder.

In a day or so, after you've had a chance to review my page & Dar has 
a chance to send me a copy of his last post, I will draft a cover 
message and post to Xtalks.

You can view what I've done at http://www.oenolog.com/runrev/mod_talk.htm.
-- 

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)


From Doug_Ivers at lord.com  Wed Apr 10 10:45:26 2002
From: Doug_Ivers at lord.com (Ivers, Doug E)
Date: Wed Apr 10 10:45:26 2002
Subject: getting paid
Message-ID: <6150F6099DBED111852E0008C7241464049B37A1@NTSRV-CRD04>

I'd rather eliminate this possibility.

By the way, I want to offer my software on Mac, Windows, and Linux.  And I'm trying to avoid setting up a server to hand out passwords... I'd like to use a service like Kagi or DigitalRiver.  Anyone have experience with these?


-- D


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Foy [mailto:mike at essex-web.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 8:37 AM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: getting paid
> 
> 
> generate the password on the person's name, then anytime they send the
> software off to someone else,  it has their name on it, they 
> WILL worry and
> think twice before passing the program on, they just don't 
> know where it
> will end up, right back at your doorstep, then.....
> 
> 
> miock
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ivers, Doug E <Doug_Ivers at lord.com>
> To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>; <kevin at runrev.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 12:46 PM
> Subject: Re: getting paid
> 
> 
> > I'm still trying to figure out how to protect my time 
> investment.  Don't
> get me wrong, I love the shareware idea, but the reality is 
> that few users
> get around to paying.  This is the scenario I want to guard 
> against:  a
> paying customer downloads my standalone & data stacks and 
> enters the correct
> password (which does not unlock the scripts but allows use of 
> the stacks).
> Then he/she sends the unlocked copy to all his/her friends 
> who never pay.
> Or worse -- someone puts the unlocked copy on their web site.
> >
> > I'm considering 3 possibilities:  1) generate a password 
> based on when the
> standalone file was created on the user's hard drive.  2) generate a
> password based on the full path to the standalone.  3) create 
> a preferences
> file somewhere else on the hard drive which stores the 
> encrypted password.
> >
> > Regarding #1, I haven't found a Rev command to access the 
> creation date,
> but this seems to be the best method of the 3.  Regarding #2, 
> if the user
> changes a folder name or hierarchy, then they would need to 
> re-register to
> get a new password.  Of course, I'd like to avoid this both 
> for their sake
> and for mine.  #3 is very easy to discover and defeat (the 
> preferences file
> can be sent along with the stack to other users).  Perhaps it 
> could be a
> hidden file, but I don't like it when apps create extraneous 
> files on my
> hard drive, so I don't want to do that to other folks.
> >
> > Needing advice,
> >
> > -- D
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 


From harrison at all-auctions.com  Wed Apr 10 10:45:35 2002
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Richard Harrison)
Date: Wed Apr 10 10:45:35 2002
Subject: Julian Dates?
In-Reply-To: <B8D9DBDD.546F%kevin@runrev.com>
Message-ID: <B8D9C58E.75D%harrison@all-auctions.com>

Hi there,

Does anyone have a Julian Date conversion routine
set up yet?  It is such a useful thing to have I'm
surprised the Rev people haven't put it in yet!

Thanks in advance,

Rick Harrison



From mike at essex-web.com  Wed Apr 10 10:58:01 2002
From: mike at essex-web.com (Michael Foy)
Date: Wed Apr 10 10:58:01 2002
Subject: Julian Dates?
References: <B8D9C58E.75D%harrison@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <004801c1e09f$d5a58160$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>

here's a bit of basic that could be converted.

first bit sets up the names of the days for the last function, so you know
the day of the week
the second function is for converting the julian back and the first one is
for converting to 'a julian date' don't worry about the zero position

miock

SUB FillEnglishArrays
  SevenDays(1) = "Monday"    : SevenDays(2) = "Tuesday"
  SevenDays(3) = "Wednesday" : SevenDays(4) = "Thursday"
  SevenDays(5) = "Friday"    : SevenDays(6) = "Saturday"
  SevenDays(7) = "Sunday"
END SUB

'--------------------- Functions ------------------------------

FUNCTION Julian(year, month, day) AS LONG
  temp& = (month - 14) \ 12
  JulPart& = day - 32075 + (1461 * (year + 4800 + temp&) \ 4)
  JulPart& = JulPart& + (367 * (month - 2 - temp& * 12) \ 12)
  FUNCTION = JulPart& - (3 * ((year + 4900 + temp&) \ 100) \ 4)
END FUNCTION

FUNCTION JulToDate (Jul&) AS STRING
  ' converts a Julian number into a computational date ("MM-DD-[-]YYYY")

  INCR Jul&, 68569
  help& = 4 * Jul& \ 146097
  DECR Jul&, (146097 * help& + 3) \ 4
  TempYear& = 4000 * (Jul& + 1) \ 1461001
  DECR Jul&, 1461 * TempYear& \ 4
  INCR Jul&, 31
  TempMonth& = 80 * Jul& \ 2447

  day& = Jul& - (2447 * TempMonth& \ 80)
  day$ = RIGHT$("00" + LTRIM$(RTRIM$(STR$(day&))), 2)

  month& = TempMonth& + 2 - (12 * (TempMonth& \ 11))
  month$ = RIGHT$("00" + LTRIM$(RTRIM$(STR$(month&))), 2)

  year& = 100 * (help& - 49) + TempYear& + (TempMonth& \ 11)
  year$ = RIGHT$("0000" + LTRIM$(RTRIM$(STR$(ABS(year&)))), 4)
  IF year& < 0 THEN year$ = "-" + year$
  FUNCTION = month$ + "-" + day$ + "-" + year$
END FUNCTION

FUNCTION DayOfTheWeek(BYVAL year, BYVAL month, BYVAL day) AS STRING
  ' returns the name for each day of the week

  DECR month, 2
  IF month < 1 OR month > 10 THEN
    INCR month, 12 : DECR year
  END IF
  century = year \ 100
  year = year MOD 100
  temp = INT(2.6 * month - .19) + day + year + (year \ 4)
  result = (temp + (century \ 4) - (century * 2)) MOD 7
  IF result < 1 THEN INCR result, 7
  FUNCTION = SevenDays(result)
END FUNCTION

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Harrison <harrison at all-auctions.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 3:33 PM
Subject: Julian Dates?


> Hi there,
>
> Does anyone have a Julian Date conversion routine
> set up yet?  It is such a useful thing to have I'm
> surprised the Rev people haven't put it in yet!
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Rick Harrison
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>




From mike at essex-web.com  Wed Apr 10 11:16:02 2002
From: mike at essex-web.com (Michael Foy)
Date: Wed Apr 10 11:16:02 2002
Subject: filter command
References: <p05100300b8d9f66c60b1@[10.0.1.201]>
Message-ID: <005601c1e0a2$59efdc20$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>

how something along the lines

sorry don't know rr enough to do the scripting, but here is some pseudo code
put 1 into i
repeat
    if line i of fld1 =line i of fld 2 then
        put line i of fld1 & crfl after fld 3
    end if
until last line of  shortest field

----- Original Message -----
From: yves COPPE <yvescoppe at skynet.be>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 3:05 PM
Subject: filter command


> Hello,
>
>
> I have two flds. There are list flds.
> I'd like to put in a variable the lines which are common to the two flds
>
> example
>
> Fld 1
>
> one
> three
> five
>
>
> Fld 2
>
> One
> two
> three
> four
>
>
> the variable must contain :
>
> one
> three
>
> How to proceed ?
>
>
> thanks.
> --
> Greetings.
>
> Yves COPPE
>
> Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution




From harrison at all-auctions.com  Wed Apr 10 11:17:01 2002
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Richard Harrison)
Date: Wed Apr 10 11:17:01 2002
Subject: Julian Dates?
In-Reply-To: <004801c1e09f$d5a58160$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>
Message-ID: <B8D9CF4D.764%harrison@all-auctions.com>

on 4/10/2002 10:56 AM, Michael Foy at mike at essex-web.com wrote:

> here's a bit of basic that could be converted.
> 
> first bit sets up the names of the days for the last function, so you know
> the day of the week
> the second function is for converting the julian back and the first one is
> for converting to 'a julian date' don't worry about the zero position
> 
> miock
> 

Michael,

Thanks for the basic code snippet!

Now all I need is some of that orange smoke
which translates it into Rev script.

Thanks again,

Rick




From mike at essex-web.com  Wed Apr 10 11:28:01 2002
From: mike at essex-web.com (Michael Foy)
Date: Wed Apr 10 11:28:01 2002
Subject: Julian Dates?
References: <B8D9CF4D.764%harrison@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <006001c1e0a4$0dd7f640$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>

once I get up to speed on scripting, I'll have a go, at the moment I have my
eye closed, am wearing a blindfold, in a pitch black hole on a new moon
night looking for a black cat (that isn't there!)

miock

----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Harrison <harrison at all-auctions.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: Julian Dates?


> on 4/10/2002 10:56 AM, Michael Foy at mike at essex-web.com wrote:
>
> > here's a bit of basic that could be converted.
> >
> > first bit sets up the names of the days for the last function, so you
know
> > the day of the week
> > the second function is for converting the julian back and the first one
is
> > for converting to 'a julian date' don't worry about the zero position
> >
> > miock
> >
>
> Michael,
>
> Thanks for the basic code snippet!
>
> Now all I need is some of that orange smoke
> which translates it into Rev script.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Rick
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution




From mike at essex-web.com  Wed Apr 10 11:36:02 2002
From: mike at essex-web.com (Michael Foy)
Date: Wed Apr 10 11:36:02 2002
Subject: filter command
References: <p05100300b8d9f66c60b1@[10.0.1.201]> <005601c1e0a2$59efdc20$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>
Message-ID: <006601c1e0a5$33cbbb60$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>

oops put that add in too :-)


----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Foy <mike at essex-web.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 4:14 PM
Subject: Re: filter command


> how something along the lines
>
> sorry don't know rr enough to do the scripting, but here is some pseudo
code
> put 1 into i
> repeat
>     if line i of fld1 =line i of fld 2 then
>         put line i of fld1 & crfl after fld 3
>     end if
    add 1 to i
> until last line of  shortest field
>





From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Apr 10 11:54:02 2002
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed Apr 10 11:54:02 2002
Subject: filter command
References: <p05100300b8d9f66c60b1@[10.0.1.201]> <005601c1e0a2$59efdc20$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>
Message-ID: <004001c1e0a7$774a1ab0$7c00a8c0@mckinley.dom>

Actually, I'd take the list that had the longer number of lines and do:

on mouseUp
  put "" into tResult
  set the wholeMatches to true
  repeat for each line i in field 1
    if lineOffset(i,field 2) <> 0 then
      put i into line (the number of lines of tResult)+1 of tResult
    end if
  end repeat
  answer tResult
end mouseUp

Just my $0.02,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Foy" <mike at essex-web.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: filter command


> how something along the lines
>
> sorry don't know rr enough to do the scripting, but here is some pseudo
code
> put 1 into i
> repeat
>     if line i of fld1 =line i of fld 2 then
>         put line i of fld1 & crfl after fld 3
>     end if
> until last line of  shortest field
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: yves COPPE <yvescoppe at skynet.be>
> To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 3:05 PM
> Subject: filter command
>
>
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> > I have two flds. There are list flds.
> > I'd like to put in a variable the lines which are common to the two flds
> >
> > example
> >
> > Fld 1
> >
> > one
> > three
> > five
> >
> >
> > Fld 2
> >
> > One
> > two
> > three
> > four
> >
> >
> > the variable must contain :
> >
> > one
> > three
> >
> > How to proceed ?
> >
> >
> > thanks.
> > --
> > Greetings.
> >
> > Yves COPPE
> >
> > Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>




From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Wed Apr 10 11:55:01 2002
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Wed Apr 10 11:55:01 2002
Subject: filter command
In-Reply-To: <p05100300b8d9f66c60b1@[10.0.1.201]>
References: <p05100300b8d9f66c60b1@[10.0.1.201]>
Message-ID: <p05101504b8da0f35def1@[192.168.123.3]>

At 4:05 pm +0200 10/4/02, yves COPPE wrote:
>Hello,
>
>
>I have two flds. There are list flds.
>I'd like to put in a variable the lines which are common to the two flds
>
The following function should do what you want. I'm sure there are other ways.

on mouseUp
  put commonLines(field 1, field 2)
end mouseUp

function commonLines pList1, pList2
   repeat for each line tLine in pList1
     put 1 into tArray[tLine]
   end repeat
   repeat for each line tLine in pList2
     add 1 to tArray[tLine]
   end repeat
   put keys(tArray) into tKeys
   repeat for each line tKey in tKeys
     if tArray[tKey] > 1 then
       put tKey & cr after tRetVal
     end if
   end repeat
   delete char -1 of tRetVal
   return tRetVal
end commonLines

Cheers
Dave Cragg


From rcozens at pon.net  Wed Apr 10 12:09:10 2002
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Wed Apr 10 12:09:10 2002
Subject: getting paid
In-Reply-To: <6150F6099DBED111852E0008C7241464049B379E@NTSRV-CRD04>
References: <6150F6099DBED111852E0008C7241464049B379E@NTSRV-CRD04>
Message-ID: <a05100303b8da01a26b7c@[216.229.107.251]>

>I'm still trying to figure out how to protect my time investment.

Hi Doug,

FWIW, here are a few random foolesh thoughts on the subject from 
someone who has never published shareware:

* Computer software is basically as vulnerable to unauthorized 
duplication as are music, video, and virtually anything that can be 
digitalized.  The time one spends designing & programming protection 
against piracy may be greater than the original time investment in 
the product if one attempts to design a 100% foolproof method.

* One needs to accept the fact that "piracy happens" and determine a) 
how much is really at stake, and b) how much time one realistically 
can put into prevention efforts.  Do you just need to discourage the 
casual snooper, or are you trying to defeat a motivated hacker?

* I think the best anti-piracy approach is to key the software to a 
specific computer; however there is no universal way to approach this 
on all models & platforms.  For example, my commercial application is 
presently designed to run only on Apple iBooks.  This allows me 
encrypt the serial # of the user's iBook in the copy of the app I 
download or mail to them on CD.  The app gets the serial # from Apple 
System Profiler when it opens and refuses to run if it doesn't match 
the encrypted #.  I think this is about as secure as I can get; 
however this technique is better applied to limited production 
commercial software than to shareware.  I would like to see RunRev 
support some built-in function that would return a unique identifier 
for every cpu supported.

* I would suggest that one approach shareware as serendipitous 
revenue one receives as a supplement to the enjoyment & creative 
outlet one experiences designing & programming.  If one approaches 
programming as time invested for potential return, one might as well 
do it on a commercial basis.   :{`)

-- 
Rob Cozens, CCW

"Where but America can the person who lost the popular vote become 
President without a coup?"


From rcozens at pon.net  Wed Apr 10 12:09:47 2002
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Wed Apr 10 12:09:47 2002
Subject: Custom property settings
In-Reply-To: <20020410033228.11223.qmail@web20307.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20020410033228.11223.qmail@web20307.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <a05100304b8da0a54767a@[216.229.107.251]>

>I am trying to create a few custom properties, for the
>"do" command, via clicking on the custom tab in the
>properties palette:

Hi Steve,

If you'll entertain a foolesh question, are you sure you need the do 
command for what you are doing?

The do command is only needed when the logic to be executed must be 
determined at runtime.  Is it not possible to achieve your goal using 
the send command?

on doItToMe
   set the exampleThing of the target to whateverProp -- There may be 
more to this, I have not used custom props
end doItToMe

if the above handler is in the card script,

on preOpenCard
   doItToMe
end preOpenCard

should do what you want; otherwise try

send "doItToMe" to ...
-- 

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)


From prodevm at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 10 12:12:00 2002
From: prodevm at yahoo.com (Steve L)
Date: Wed Apr 10 12:12:00 2002
Subject: Custom property settings--narrow field
In-Reply-To: <20020410054949.38511.qmail@web11908.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20020410161035.86973.qmail@web20305.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,

Thanks for the information, however, I have one more
question:

When you enter the content of the new custom property
in the field below the tables, the field is so narrow
that the script entered is wrapped every few words,
does this mess up the scripting format so that it is
inoperable?

Also, say that within that script that you put in the
propery "contents field" below the tables, you have
some coment lines that begin with "--", now, being
that the field is so narrow and starts a new line
every few words, you now have alot of wrapped lines
that are without the "--" at the beginning, due to the
narrow field wrapping the lines.

Therefore, is this script still, read properly by the
program, or do you have to go back and add "--" to the
front of every line?  Is the actual script part still
operational/readable to the program even though it
appears out of wack in the narrow field?

Thanks much

Steve


--- Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Steve,
> 
> Here's how things work: the left table shows which
> _set_ of custom properties is available, and the
> right
> table shows the custom properties within the
> selected
> set.
> 
> In order to add a new custom property to an object,
> select 'customKeys' in the left table, and click the
> "New..." button under the right table.
> This will prompt you for the name of the new custom
> property ; after that, enter the content of the new
> custom property in the field below the tables.
> 
> Now that we've got that covered, let's go one step
> deeper: custom property sets.
> 
> The idea of custom property _sets_ is that you can
> quickly switch between whole groups of custom
> properties each with their own contents even if they
> have the same name as a custom property in a
> different
> set.
> 
> A possible use is that you could have a script in a
> button that works depending on the content of custom
> properties.
> Then, instead of having to change (and lose the
> original) content of a group of custom properties,
> you
> can just switch between two sets by issueing a
> 
>   set the customPropertySet of object to
> myCustomKeys
> 
> And now the button script can base itself on a
> different, but consistent set of contents for custom
> properties -- so no more worrying 'did I forget to
> change that custom property as well?'
> 
> Hope this answered your questions,
> 
> Jan Schenkel.
> 
> "As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more
> foolish
> at the same time."  (De Rochefoucald)
> 
> PS: might I also suggest you
> 
>   do the exampleScript of me
> 
> and not _to_ me :-)
> 
> 
> --- Steve L <prodevm at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Hello all,
> > 
> > I am trying to create a few custom properties, for
> > the
> > "do" command, via clicking on the custom tab in
> the
> > properties palette:
> > 
> > once there, on the left side are setting for
> "custom
> > property sets", and "property set keys" on the
> right
> > side.
> > 
> > I cannot figure out how to set this up; I went
> > through
> > all of the reference guides and can't find
> anything,
> > showing how to do this through the properties
> > palette.
> > 
> > Here is an example of what I am trying to do:
> > 
> > This would be on a stack script:
> > 
> > on preOpenCard
> > do the exampleThing to me
> > end preOpenCard
> > 
> > Then a custom property would be created via the
> > custom
> > tab on the stacks property palette:
> > 
> > exampleThing
> > 
> > Then list the sript/commands in the property
> > contents
> > box at the bottom.
> > 
> > Where do you put exampleThing, under the "custom
> > property sets"? If so, what would go under
> "property
> > set keys"?
> > Or, would it go under "property set keys"?  If so,
> > what would go under "custom property sets"?
> > 
> > I am sure this is a simple thing to do, but i
> can't
> > find any instruction on doing this.  Probally,
> just
> > a
> > newbie oversight.
> > 
> > Any help would be appreciated.
> > 
> > Steve
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Wed Apr 10 12:20:01 2002
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Wed Apr 10 12:20:01 2002
Subject: filter command
In-Reply-To: <p05101504b8da0f35def1@[192.168.123.3]>
Message-ID: <B8DA245A.22B02%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

on 10/4/02 4:53 PM, Dave Cragg at dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk wrote:

> At 4:05 pm +0200 10/4/02, yves COPPE wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> 
>> I have two flds. There are list flds.
>> I'd like to put in a variable the lines which are common to the two flds
>> 
> The following function should do what you want. I'm sure there are other ways.
> [snip... code putting both lists into arrays...]

As Dave says, there are a lot of ways to solve most problems in Rev.  My
$0.02 to add is just

a) two of the great enhancements in MC/Rev are the 'repeat for each' loops,
and arrays.  I wrote something recently doing a variation on this theme
(merging two tab-delimited lists based on identity of certain fields).  I
initally wrote it stepping through one list, searching in the other... When
I rewrote it making arrays (using 'for each' loops to build them as Dave
indicated) and then doing the comparisons on that, the speed reward (on
files with 20-50,000 rows) was incredible - from several minutes to < 2
seconds.

b) depending on your exact needs, you may be able to do this using the
'split' command to make arrays out of your lists, the 'intersect' command to
reduce one array to the common elements, and the 'combine' command to put it
all back together.  Eg (nb from memory, not tested, may not work):

    function commonLines pList1, pList2
        split pList1 using return
        split pList2 using return
        intersect pList1 with pList2
        combine pList1 using return
        return pList1
    end commonLines
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866





From mike at essex-web.com  Wed Apr 10 12:23:01 2002
From: mike at essex-web.com (Michael Foy)
Date: Wed Apr 10 12:23:01 2002
Subject: filter command
References: <p05100300b8d9f66c60b1@[10.0.1.201]> <005601c1e0a2$59efdc20$1965a4c2@essexweb.com> <004001c1e0a7$774a1ab0$7c00a8c0@mckinley.dom>
Message-ID: <008901c1e0ab$b7d67840$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>

very interesting coding, of course my one won't work, it only compares each
line

cool code ken, I've learnt quite a bit from your code

miock




From rcozens at pon.net  Wed Apr 10 12:31:02 2002
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Wed Apr 10 12:31:02 2002
Subject: Julian Dates?
In-Reply-To: <B8D9C58E.75D%harrison@all-auctions.com>
References: <B8D9C58E.75D%harrison@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <a05100306b8da160234dc@[216.229.107.251]>

>Does anyone have a Julian Date conversion routine
>set up yet?  It is such a useful thing to have I'm
>surprised the Rev people haven't put it in yet!

Hi Rick,

The real bottom line is there are internal date representations (eg: 
seconds; the long date) that naturally sort in chronological order, 
and using seconds one can add/subtract days (1 day = 86400 seconds); 
so there is little practical need for Julian date representation.
-- 

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)


From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Wed Apr 10 12:38:02 2002
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Wed Apr 10 12:38:02 2002
Subject: filter command
In-Reply-To: <p05101504b8da0f35def1@[192.168.123.3]>
References: <p05100300b8d9f66c60b1@[10.0.1.201]>
 <p05101504b8da0f35def1@[192.168.123.3]>
Message-ID: <p05101506b8da17cee309@[192.168.123.3]>

At 4:53 pm +0100 10/4/02, Dave Cragg wrote:

>function commonLines pList1, pList2
>   repeat for each line tLine in pList1
>     put 1 into tArray[tLine]
>   end repeat
>   repeat for each line tLine in pList2
>     add 1 to tArray[tLine]
>   end repeat
>   put keys(tArray) into tKeys
>   repeat for each line tKey in tKeys
>     if tArray[tKey] > 1 then
>       put tKey & cr after tRetVal
>     end if
>   end repeat
>   delete char -1 of tRetVal
>   return tRetVal
>end commonLines

I wasn't thinking too hard. The above works if the lines in each list 
are unique, but not if there may be duplicate lines.

This is better, I think.

function commonLines pList1, pList2
   repeat for each line tLine in pList1
     put 1 into tArray[tLine]
   end repeat
   repeat for each line tLine in pList2
     if tArray[tLine] = 1 then
       put 2 into tArray[tLine]
       put tLine & cr after tRetVal
     end if
   end repeat
   delete char -1 of tRetVal
   return tRetVal
end commonLines


From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Wed Apr 10 12:45:01 2002
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Wed Apr 10 12:45:01 2002
Subject: filter command
In-Reply-To: <B8DA245A.22B02%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
References: <B8DA245A.22B02%benr_mc@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <p05100300b8da1b2300a3@[10.0.1.201]>

Hi everybody


Thank you for your answers.

The script from Ben doesn't give the right answer.
Sorry.

The faster for comparing big files is the script of Ken

The script of Dave is the most interessant, but the order of the 
lines is totaly changed.

So I shall use the script of Ken.

Now, my mind is a little wrong.
So I ask something else :

I want the same but now the comparison is not based on "AND" but on "NOT"
so I want the lines only in fld One that are NOT in fld Two

Thanks.
-- 


From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Wed Apr 10 12:50:01 2002
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Wed Apr 10 12:50:01 2002
Subject: filter command
In-Reply-To: <p05101506b8da17cee309@[192.168.123.3]>
References: <p05100300b8d9f66c60b1@[10.0.1.201]>
 <p05101504b8da0f35def1@[192.168.123.3]>
 <p05101506b8da17cee309@[192.168.123.3]>
Message-ID: <p05100301b8da1ce76ad0@[10.0.1.201]>

>At 4:53 pm +0100 10/4/02, Dave Cragg wrote:
>
>>function commonLines pList1, pList2
>>   repeat for each line tLine in pList1
>>     put 1 into tArray[tLine]
>>   end repeat
>>   repeat for each line tLine in pList2
>>     add 1 to tArray[tLine]
>>   end repeat
>>   put keys(tArray) into tKeys
>>   repeat for each line tKey in tKeys
>>     if tArray[tKey] > 1 then
>>       put tKey & cr after tRetVal
>>     end if
>>   end repeat
>>   delete char -1 of tRetVal
>>   return tRetVal
>>end commonLines
>
>I wasn't thinking too hard. The above works if the lines in each 
>list are unique, but not if there may be duplicate lines.
>
>This is better, I think.
>
>function commonLines pList1, pList2
>   repeat for each line tLine in pList1
>     put 1 into tArray[tLine]
>   end repeat
>   repeat for each line tLine in pList2
>     if tArray[tLine] = 1 then
>       put 2 into tArray[tLine]
>       put tLine & cr after tRetVal
>     end if
>   end repeat
>   delete char -1 of tRetVal
>   return tRetVal
>end commonLines



How, now it's fine, your correction gives the best result.
Can you adapt your script for filtering lines in fld one that are not 
in fld two and gives as result the lines in fld one that are NOT in 
fld two.

thanks
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From beruvin at mac.com  Wed Apr 10 13:09:01 2002
From: beruvin at mac.com (Beruvin)
Date: Wed Apr 10 13:09:01 2002
Subject: About the milliseconds function
Message-ID: <a05101501b8da1c2194bd@[213.245.86.70]>

Bonjour from France,

Having to design experiments for a cognitive psychology dpt.,
I wonder if the 'milliseconds' function would be a good and 'serious' 
measure for a RT (reaction time !) ?
I remember that the 'old' Hypercard needed a XFCN for this... Is this 
the one in the actual Rev/MC engine ?
I know that a good way is to use a 'button box' with the computer but 
for now we only have a keyboard !
Where can I find any docs on technical specifications about this ?
The last question is : Any differences on Mac and PCwin ?

Many thanks for any info !

Best regards,

Beruvin

beruvin at mac.com



From harrison at all-auctions.com  Wed Apr 10 13:41:01 2002
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Richard Harrison)
Date: Wed Apr 10 13:41:01 2002
Subject: Julian Dates?
In-Reply-To: <a05100306b8da160234dc@[216.229.107.251]>
Message-ID: <B8D9F11A.775%harrison@all-auctions.com>

on 4/10/2002 12:29 PM, Rob Cozens at rcozens at pon.net wrote:

>> Does anyone have a Julian Date conversion routine
>> set up yet?  It is such a useful thing to have I'm
>> surprised the Rev people haven't put it in yet!
> 
> Hi Rick,
> 
> The real bottom line is there are internal date representations (eg:
> seconds; the long date) that naturally sort in chronological order,
> and using seconds one can add/subtract days (1 day = 86400 seconds);
> so there is little practical need for Julian date representation.

Rob,

Thanks, I had forgotten completely about the seconds function.

I was starting to grow older just thinking about the Julian thing.

Thanks again for a good simple solution!

Rick



From kee at kagi.com  Wed Apr 10 13:54:01 2002
From: kee at kagi.com (Kee Nethery)
Date: Wed Apr 10 13:54:01 2002
Subject: getting paid
In-Reply-To: <a05100303b8da01a26b7c@[216.229.107.251]>
References: <6150F6099DBED111852E0008C7241464049B379E@NTSRV-CRD04>
 <a05100303b8da01a26b7c@[216.229.107.251]>
Message-ID: <p05101539b8da21c5e35d@[157.22.137.6]>

>>I'm still trying to figure out how to protect my time investment.

As someone who deals with thousands of people who sell shareware, 
I'll toss in my opinion.

First rule: Software authors who focus on how to prevent people from 
using their software are rarely as successful as authors who focus on 
how to get more people using their software.

Some of the most successful software sold at Kagi has the lamest 
protection mechanisms you have ever seen. Is the software used 
without being paid for, yes. Do the majority of people using it pay, 
yes. Does the author make a ton of bucks, yes.

If you can afford to do it, my recommendation is to give the software 
away for free with an absolute kill date a year from now. The version 
you give away today, stops working 12 months from now. Build up a 
following. Communicate with your users. Develop a mailing list of 
everyone who uses your software and communicate with them. For each 
revision, extend the kill date. Eventually, when you have a large 
following and the code base is creaky, plan on building rev 2.0 and 
hire someone with talent to make the user interface as professional 
as possible. Then charge for the upgrade. Via your mailing list let 
people know that the existing rev 1.0 versions will expire on XYZ 
date and that the upgrade price is ABC and for new users the purchase 
price is WXY.

Focus on getting people to use your software, not on preventing 
people from using your software.

Second rule: Find as big a potential market as possible.

(I'm making up these numbers) For example, 6 billion people in the 
world, 0.1% are palm users, 1% are palm developers, 1% are palm 
developers using Forth programming language, your entire market is 
600 palm developers who might consider an alternate palm Forth 
development environment.

Compare that to:  6 billion people in the world, 0.1% are palm users, 
30% are concerned with losing their palm and having someone else read 
their data, a screen lock/erase palm if stolen app has a potential 
market of 1.8 million.

Even if the screen lock/erase if stolen product is horrible and has a 
tiny fraction of the market, they will make a ton of bucks. The Forth 
development environment will have to be perfect and even if, they 
will make hardly anything.

Choose an application that has as wide a target market as possible.

Kee Nethery


From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Apr 10 14:48:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed Apr 10 14:48:01 2002
Subject: About the milliseconds function
In-Reply-To: <a05101501b8da1c2194bd@[213.245.86.70]>
Message-ID: <9C01256A-4CB2-11D6-BBBF-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Wednesday, April 10, 2002, at 11:04 AM, Beruvin wrote:

> I wonder if the 'milliseconds' function would be a good and 
> 'serious' measure for a RT (reaction time !) ?

I have used the milliseconds function a little for timing.  The 
resolution will vary depending mostly on the OS.  I get ms 
resolution on my OS X and Mac OS 9 (compatibility mode) on my 
Blue & White G3.

Your greater problem is accuracy in estimating variations in time 
between noting the ms and creating the stimulus and between the 
actually key press and noting the time in the handler for the key 
press (or mouse down or whatever).  The modern OS is doing all 
kinds of things that can cause variations in these times.  Design 
your experiment accordingly.
Do not refer to any controls other than the stimulus within the 
timing period.

Always call milliseconds() in the handler of the stimulus and in 
the handler of the response.  Avoid calling milliseconds() in 
functions and called handlers.  (There is also something weird 
about the latter and milliseconds() and I haven't figured it out 
yet.)

Any measure can be a 'serious' measure depending on your experiment 
goals and experiment design.  Just keep yourself honest in 
estimating error factors.

You might be able to come up with a demo that can run on multiple 
platforms, but for the actual experiment itself, I'd choose the 
fastest computer around and target it.

(For me, because of observed weird behavior, I'd test everything 
the best I can.)

Dar Scott




From Doug_Ivers at lord.com  Wed Apr 10 15:59:01 2002
From: Doug_Ivers at lord.com (Ivers, Doug E)
Date: Wed Apr 10 15:59:01 2002
Subject: getting paid
Message-ID: <6150F6099DBED111852E0008C7241464049B37A2@NTSRV-CRD04>

Thanks for the advice!  It has the ring of truth.  Actually, my plan is pretty close to what you're suggesting.

Nonetheless, I'd still like to have password protection of the whole stackfile which isn't onerous to the end user, yet prevents them from passing it along unlocked to someone else.  Is this possible?  How is Revolution itself password protected?  Can that same mechanism be incorporated into stackfiles?


-- D


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kee Nethery [mailto:kee at kagi.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 1:31 PM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: getting paid
> 
> 
> >>I'm still trying to figure out how to protect my time investment.
> 
> As someone who deals with thousands of people who sell shareware, 
> I'll toss in my opinion.
> 
> First rule: Software authors who focus on how to prevent people from 
> using their software are rarely as successful as authors who focus on 
> how to get more people using their software.
> 
> Some of the most successful software sold at Kagi has the lamest 
> protection mechanisms you have ever seen. Is the software used 
> without being paid for, yes. Do the majority of people using it pay, 
> yes. Does the author make a ton of bucks, yes.
> 
> If you can afford to do it, my recommendation is to give the software 
> away for free with an absolute kill date a year from now. The version 
> you give away today, stops working 12 months from now. Build up a 
> following. Communicate with your users. Develop a mailing list of 
> everyone who uses your software and communicate with them. For each 
> revision, extend the kill date. Eventually, when you have a large 
> following and the code base is creaky, plan on building rev 2.0 and 
> hire someone with talent to make the user interface as professional 
> as possible. Then charge for the upgrade. Via your mailing list let 
> people know that the existing rev 1.0 versions will expire on XYZ 
> date and that the upgrade price is ABC and for new users the purchase 
> price is WXY.
> 
> Focus on getting people to use your software, not on preventing 
> people from using your software.
> 
> Second rule: Find as big a potential market as possible.
> 
> (I'm making up these numbers) For example, 6 billion people in the 
> world, 0.1% are palm users, 1% are palm developers, 1% are palm 
> developers using Forth programming language, your entire market is 
> 600 palm developers who might consider an alternate palm Forth 
> development environment.
> 
> Compare that to:  6 billion people in the world, 0.1% are palm users, 
> 30% are concerned with losing their palm and having someone else read 
> their data, a screen lock/erase palm if stolen app has a potential 
> market of 1.8 million.
> 
> Even if the screen lock/erase if stolen product is horrible and has a 
> tiny fraction of the market, they will make a ton of bucks. The Forth 
> development environment will have to be perfect and even if, they 
> will make hardly anything.
> 
> Choose an application that has as wide a target market as possible.
> 
> Kee Nethery
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
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> 


From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Apr 10 16:23:00 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed Apr 10 16:23:00 2002
Subject: About the milliseconds function
In-Reply-To: <9C01256A-4CB2-11D6-BBBF-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <DF19686E-4CBF-11D6-BBBF-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Wednesday, April 10, 2002, at 12:41 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

> Avoid calling milliseconds() in functions and called handlers.  
> (There is also something weird about the latter and milliseconds() 
> and I haven't figured it out yet.)

I now think there is no problem with milliseconds() in functions 
and called handlers.  It is something else.

I first noticed something weird when my UDP test stack logged 
packets received before they came in.  I now think that some 
operations on fields take negative time.  I expect to track this 
down in a week or two.  At that time I'll use a loop to accumulate 
negative time and send a UDP note to me.  I expect to find an extra 
packet received by my test software with a message explaining the 
whole thing.  I hope this will be today.  I'll forward the note to 
the list should this happen.

Dar Scott




From katir at hindu.org  Wed Apr 10 17:17:01 2002
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Wed Apr 10 17:17:01 2002
Subject: Grep Challenge/Multi-line HTML chunks
In-Reply-To: <200204101603.MAA23359@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <B8D9CF6F.9DE2%katir@hindu.org>

I am using Rev to build HTML pages and swop out code chunks of a large
number of files. I could do this in BBEdit, but there is no custom tool set
in that environment... also I am untrained in grep...

So: Challenge it this, I want to swap out the footer on 100's of HTML pages
unfortunately they were coded all by hand, passed through email, wrapped to
short lines (some) i.e. not consistent in line breaks.

I need to grep for a string that starts with

"<!--Footer Text-->"

Following by quite a lot of HTML code on multiple lines and then
ending with this on it's own line:

"</HTML>"

The grep has to escape the forward slashes, all the tagging characters,
colons, exclamation marks, end lines (mac endlines) and all regular numbers
and characters in between... is this possible with the new grep in Rev and
if so, can someone give me the grep string?

Hinduism Today

Sivakatirswami
Editor's Assistant/Production Manager
katir at hindu.org 
www.HinduismToday.com, www.HimalayanAcademy.com,
www.Gurudeva.org, www.hindu.org

Read The Master Course Lesson of the Day at
http://www.gurudeva.org/lesson.shtml



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Apr 10 17:32:00 2002
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed Apr 10 17:32:00 2002
Subject: filter command
References: <B8DA245A.22B02%benr_mc@cogapp.com> <p05100300b8da1b2300a3@[10.0.1.201]>
Message-ID: <00d001c1e0d6$9e50c080$7c00a8c0@mckinley.dom>

OK, here it is:

Like the last one, start with the field with the smallest number of lines
(in this case "field 1"):

on mouseUp
  put "" into tResult
  set the wholeMatches to true
  repeat for each line i in field 1
    if lineOffset(i,field 2) = 0 then
      put i into line (the number of lines of tResult)+1 of tResult
    end if
  end repeat
  answer tResult
end mouseUp

Note that the only difference between this code and the last one is the
changing of <> to =.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "yves COPPE" <yvescoppe at skynet.be>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: filter command


> Hi everybody
>
>
> Thank you for your answers.
>
> The script from Ben doesn't give the right answer.
> Sorry.
>
> The faster for comparing big files is the script of Ken
>
> The script of Dave is the most interessant, but the order of the
> lines is totaly changed.
>
> So I shall use the script of Ken.
>
> Now, my mind is a little wrong.
> So I ask something else :
>
> I want the same but now the comparison is not based on "AND" but on "NOT"
> so I want the lines only in fld One that are NOT in fld Two
>
> Thanks.
> --
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> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From JAMES.G.YATES at saic.com  Wed Apr 10 17:36:00 2002
From: JAMES.G.YATES at saic.com (Yates, Glen)
Date: Wed Apr 10 17:36:00 2002
Subject: About the milliseconds function
Message-ID: <33F0B58BF432D211B72200805FEFAAD905A64F7C@hun-its-exs01.saic.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dar Scott [mailto:dsc at swcp.com]
> 
> I first noticed something weird when my UDP test stack logged 
> packets received before they came in.  I now think that some 
> operations on fields take negative time.  I expect to track this 
> down in a week or two.  At that time I'll use a loop to accumulate 
> negative time and send a UDP note to me.  I expect to find an extra 
> packet received by my test software with a message explaining the 
> whole thing.  I hope this will be today.  I'll forward the note to 
> the list should this happen.

Or, perhaps you already received the message before you even discovered the
problem, and so not realizing its importance just ignored and discarded it.
:-)

-Glen Yates


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Apr 10 17:53:01 2002
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed Apr 10 17:53:01 2002
Subject: Grep Challenge/Multi-line HTML chunks
References: <B8D9CF6F.9DE2%katir@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <00ec01c1e0d9$963d7660$7c00a8c0@mckinley.dom>

Here you go (I'm assuming the string is in 'sourceString' and the
replacement text is in 'replaceString'):

on ReplaceFooter sourceString,replaceString
  local tStart,tEnd
  get matchChunk(tText,"(?s)<!--Footer Text-->(.*)</HTML>",tStart,tEnd)
  if it is true then
    put replaceString into char tStart to tEnd of sourceString
    return sourceString
  else
     answer "Matching error."
  end if
end ReplaceFooter

Keep in mind that this does not follow your rule "</HTML>" is on its own
line - it doesn't have to be. The regex (?s) tells MC to treat
'sourceString' as if everything was on one line, so line breaks are ignored.
If you want line breaks to be respected,  let me know and I'll give you
alternative code. But if this is for HTML, it shouldn't matter if </HTML> is
on its own line or not.

Enjoy!

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


----- Original Message -----
From: "Sivakatirswami" <katir at hindu.org>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 4:16 PM
Subject: Grep Challenge/Multi-line HTML chunks


> I am using Rev to build HTML pages and swop out code chunks of a large
> number of files. I could do this in BBEdit, but there is no custom tool
set
> in that environment... also I am untrained in grep...
>
> So: Challenge it this, I want to swap out the footer on 100's of HTML
pages
> unfortunately they were coded all by hand, passed through email, wrapped
to
> short lines (some) i.e. not consistent in line breaks.
>
> I need to grep for a string that starts with
>
> "<!--Footer Text-->"
>
> Following by quite a lot of HTML code on multiple lines and then
> ending with this on it's own line:
>
> "</HTML>"
>
> The grep has to escape the forward slashes, all the tagging characters,
> colons, exclamation marks, end lines (mac endlines) and all regular
numbers
> and characters in between... is this possible with the new grep in Rev and
> if so, can someone give me the grep string?
>
> Hinduism Today
>
> Sivakatirswami
> Editor's Assistant/Production Manager
> katir at hindu.org
> www.HinduismToday.com, www.HimalayanAcademy.com,
> www.Gurudeva.org, www.hindu.org
>
> Read The Master Course Lesson of the Day at
> http://www.gurudeva.org/lesson.shtml
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Wed Apr 10 17:53:09 2002
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Wed Apr 10 17:53:09 2002
Subject: filter command
In-Reply-To: <p05100301b8da1ce76ad0@[10.0.1.201]>
References: <p05100300b8d9f66c60b1@[10.0.1.201]>
 <p05101504b8da0f35def1@[192.168.123.3]>
 <p05101506b8da17cee309@[192.168.123.3]>
 <p05100301b8da1ce76ad0@[10.0.1.201]>
Message-ID: <p05101507b8da6085eeb4@[192.168.123.3]>

At 6:49 pm +0200 10/4/02, yves COPPE wrote:

>>This is better, I think.
>>
>>function commonLines pList1, pList2
>>    repeat for each line tLine in pList1
>>      put 1 into tArray[tLine]
>>    end repeat
>>    repeat for each line tLine in pList2
>>      if tArray[tLine] = 1 then
>>        put 2 into tArray[tLine]
>>        put tLine & cr after tRetVal
>>      end if
>>    end repeat
>>    delete char -1 of tRetVal
>>    return tRetVal
>>end commonLines
>
>
>
>How, now it's fine, your correction gives the best result.
>Can you adapt your script for filtering lines in fld one that are
>not in fld two and gives as result the lines in fld one that are NOT
>in fld two.

I think you just need to change the comparison in the above script:

   if tArray[tLine] < 1 then

At least, that will give you lines in pList2 that are not in pList1.

Cheers
Dave


From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Apr 10 18:22:00 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed Apr 10 18:22:00 2002
Subject: About the milliseconds function
In-Reply-To: <33F0B58BF432D211B72200805FEFAAD905A64F7C@hun-its-exs01.saic.com>
Message-ID: <7FADB026-4CD0-11D6-BBBF-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Wednesday, April 10, 2002, at 03:23 PM, Yates, Glen wrote:

> Or, perhaps you already received the message before you even 
> discovered the
> problem, and so not realizing its importance just ignored and 
> discarded it.

You were right!  I found it in the log.

Here it is:

> 4/23/02
> Dar,
>
> The problem is not in fields, it is in
> "the long time".  That function rounds
> to an even second (1000) the value
> that will be returned by an immediate
> subsequent call to milliseconds.
>
> The milliseconds accumulator counts up
> from there.
>
> This can give the illusion of negative
> time.  There is no negative time and
> you can't send messages into the past.
>
> Yourself Truly,
> Dar Scott

I checked this out and this seems to be the case on OS X, 
Revolution 1.1.1, on my Blue & White.  Also OS 9 in compatibility 
mode.

on mouseUp
   put empty into data
   repeat 1000 times
     put the milliseconds & linefeed after data
     put the milliseconds & linefeed after data
     put the long time & linefeed after data
     put the milliseconds & linefeed after data
     put the milliseconds & linefeed after data
     put the milliseconds & linefeed after data
   end repeat
   put data into field "ms"
end mouseUp

Here are the first few lines put into field "ms"

1018475299185
1018475299185
3:48:19 PM
1018475299000
1018475299000
1018475299000
1018475299000
1018475299001
3:48:19 PM
1018475299000
1018475299000
1018475299000
1018475299000
1018475299001
3:48:19 PM
1018475299000
1018475299000
1018475299000
1018475299000
1018475299000
3:48:19 PM
1018475299000
1018475299000
1018475299000
1018475299000
1018475299000
3:48:19 PM
1018475299000
1018475299000
1018475299000
1018475299000
1018475299000
3:48:19 PM
1018475299000
1018475299000
1018475299000
1018475299000
1018475299001
3:48:19 PM
1018475299000
1018475299000
1018475299000
1018475299000
1018475299001
3:48:19 PM
1018475299000
1018475299000
...

I tried it several times and, yes, the number used by milliseconds 
seems to be rounded by the long time.

Dar Scott



From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Wed Apr 10 18:23:04 2002
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Wed Apr 10 18:23:04 2002
Subject: getting paid
In-Reply-To: <p0510156ab8d9d79ed0b8@[192.168.1.2]>
Message-ID: <43332B80-4CD1-11D6-98CC-00306566C7B4@genesearch.com.au>

Have a look at this TidBITS article:
	http://db.tidbits.com/getbits.acgi?tbart=06752
It's written by one of the people at Ambrosia who do a lot of shareware 
and discusses this exact problem.

You could also consider the hidden file option. Create a hidden 
preference file that stores the fact that this application has been 
unlocked. So long as this is not in the application's folder, it won't 
get included in the copy.

Cheers,
Sarah


On Wednesday, April 10, 2002, at 09:50  pm, Ivers, Doug E wrote:

> I'm still trying to figure out how to protect my time investment. Don't 
> get me wrong, I love the shareware idea, but the reality is that few 
> users get around to paying.  This is the scenario I want to guard 
> against:  a paying customer downloads my standalone & data stacks and 
> enters the correct password (which does not unlock the scripts but 
> allows use of the stacks).  Then he/she sends the unlocked copy to all 
> his/her friends who never pay.  Or worse -- someone puts the unlocked 
> copy on their web site.




From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Apr 10 18:37:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed Apr 10 18:37:01 2002
Subject: About the milliseconds function
In-Reply-To: <7FADB026-4CD0-11D6-BBBF-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <909AE48E-4CD2-11D6-BBBF-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Wednesday, April 10, 2002, at 04:15 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

> I tried it several times and, yes, the number used by milliseconds 
> seems to be rounded by the long time.

But the long time is not exactly the round or trunc of milliseconds 
just before.

dar




From rcozens at pon.net  Wed Apr 10 21:57:01 2002
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Wed Apr 10 21:57:01 2002
Subject: Julian Dates?
In-Reply-To: <a05100306b8da160234dc@[216.229.107.251]>
References: <B8D9C58E.75D%harrison@all-auctions.com>
 <a05100306b8da160234dc@[216.229.107.251]>
Message-ID: <a05100300b8da9d5e1116@[216.229.107.127]>

>there are internal date representations (eg: seconds; the long date) 
>that naturally sort in chronological order

Hi All,

Don't let me get away with fooleshness like this:  it's seconds & 
dateItems that sort chronologically.
-- 

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)


From jeanne at runrev.com  Thu Apr 11 00:39:01 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Thu Apr 11 00:39:01 2002
Subject: Julian Dates?
In-Reply-To: <a05100300b8da9d5e1116@[216.229.107.127]>
References: <a05100306b8da160234dc@[216.229.107.251]>
 <B8D9C58E.75D%harrison@all-auctions.com>
 <a05100306b8da160234dc@[216.229.107.251]>
Message-ID: <v03130307b8daaff8f1d9@[216.99.192.102]>

At 6:55 PM -0700 4/10/2002, Rob Cozens wrote:
>>there are internal date representations (eg: seconds; the long date)
>>that naturally sort in chronological order
>
>Hi All,
>
>Don't let me get away with fooleshness like this:  it's seconds &
>dateItems that sort chronologically.

No, you were right the first time: if you use "dateTime" in a sort command
you get a date sort on any of the date or time forms.

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From terry at discovery.nl  Thu Apr 11 00:43:01 2002
From: terry at discovery.nl (Terry Vogelaar)
Date: Thu Apr 11 00:43:01 2002
Subject: Puzzling with ads on magazine pages
In-Reply-To: <6D0C1354-4AF5-11D6-AA7D-003065D52E8E@metascape.org>
Message-ID: <B8DAE0A9.16A63%terry@discovery.nl>

I need to make a program that figures out how a couple of rectangles fit
best into a number of larger rects. OK, this sounds too cunfusing. I need to
make a program that fits several advertisements on 12 magazine pages. And I
want Revolution to figure out what ad should be placed where. None of the
ads has a standard width or height. The ads don't need to align, however. As
long as they fit and as long as they don't overlap.

Challenging, isn't it?

Any suggestions to get started?

Terry
http://www.discovery.nl




From jcuccio at pacbell.net  Thu Apr 11 01:01:01 2002
From: jcuccio at pacbell.net (John Cuccio)
Date: Thu Apr 11 01:01:01 2002
Subject: rename&revcopyfile
Message-ID: <B8DA664F.12D5%jcuccio@pacbell.net>

Rev 1.1.1


on function
put "c:/export/file" into fp1
put "c:/newfolder/newname" into fp2
rename fp1 to fp2
end function

rename function on a mac deletes the original file and copies the file to
the new location. On Win98 it gives the file at fp1 the new name only and
does not move the file. Even though it has a different file path.


I can not get the revcopyfile to work on win98. Has anyone else had this
problem.
I checked to make sure the file paths where correct. By doing a open file
then close. 

Note. I have Real PC running Win98 on a mac. Do not know if this is the
problem. I downloaded the win Rev and the splash screen said 1.1 but the
folder that it is in says 1.1.1. The mac splash screen says 1.1.1. Is the
windows version behind the mac versions.




From drvaughan55 at mac.com  Thu Apr 11 01:41:00 2002
From: drvaughan55 at mac.com (David Vaughan)
Date: Thu Apr 11 01:41:00 2002
Subject: Puzzling with ads on magazine pages
In-Reply-To: <B8DAE0A9.16A63%terry@discovery.nl>
Message-ID: <7860D709-4D0E-11D6-87F5-000393598038@mac.com>

On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 02:41 , Terry Vogelaar wrote:

> I need to make a program that figures out how a couple of rectangles fit
> best into a number of larger rects. OK, this sounds too cunfusing. I 
> need to
> make a program that fits several advertisements on 12 magazine pages. 
> And I
> want Revolution to figure out what ad should be placed where. None of 
> the
> ads has a standard width or height. The ads don't need to align, 
> however. As
> long as they fit and as long as they don't overlap.
>
> Challenging, isn't it?
>
> Any suggestions to get started?

Terry,

Yes. You could start with a bin-packing algorithm but that would choose 
the minimum number of pages and give you a jammed layout on some with 
little or nothing on others. I do not know how tight the constraints but 
how about starting by sorting the rectangles (the ads) by size then 
distributing from largest down across the pages, one per page, then 
continue iterating across the pages in descending size as long as they 
fit. At the end, randomise your pages so that as you turn them you are 
not obviously descending by largest ad size.

Alternatively, start with the size-sorted ads and in groups of twelve 
randomly distribute them one to each page.

One of these ought to give a reasonable size balance between any two 
pages. You can always fiddle at the end for aesthetics once you have a 
draft layout.

Will that get you started?

cheers
David

>
> Terry
> http://www.discovery.nl
>
>
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From prodevm at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 11 02:02:01 2002
From: prodevm at yahoo.com (Steve L)
Date: Thu Apr 11 02:02:01 2002
Subject: Check-box & radio button
Message-ID: <20020411060115.89312.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello everyone,

How can you set up a check-box or radio type button to
retain it's selection status (selected or deselected),
so that when you reopen the stack it will show the
saved selection status.  

On a field, I know that you script:
 
on closefield
Set the udirty to true
end closefield

This works for retaining the content of the field,
however, I cannot figure out how to make the check-box
button retain it's selection status.

Thanks 

Steve



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From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Thu Apr 11 02:09:00 2002
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Thu Apr 11 02:09:00 2002
Subject: filter command
In-Reply-To: <p05101507b8da6085eeb4@[192.168.123.3]>
References: <p05100300b8d9f66c60b1@[10.0.1.201]>
 <p05101504b8da0f35def1@[192.168.123.3]>
 <p05101506b8da17cee309@[192.168.123.3]>
 <p05100301b8da1ce76ad0@[10.0.1.201]>
 <p05101507b8da6085eeb4@[192.168.123.3]>
Message-ID: <p05100300b8dad7b70afa@[10.0.1.202]>

>At 6:49 pm +0200 10/4/02, yves COPPE wrote:
>
>>>This is better, I think.
>>>
>>>function commonLines pList1, pList2
>>>    repeat for each line tLine in pList1
>>>      put 1 into tArray[tLine]
>>>    end repeat
>>>    repeat for each line tLine in pList2
>>>      if tArray[tLine] = 1 then
>>>        put 2 into tArray[tLine]
>>>        put tLine & cr after tRetVal
>>>      end if
>>>    end repeat
>>>    delete char -1 of tRetVal
>>>    return tRetVal
>>>end commonLines
>>
>>
>>
>>How, now it's fine, your correction gives the best result.
>>Can you adapt your script for filtering lines in fld one that are
>>not in fld two and gives as result the lines in fld one that are NOT
>>in fld two.
>
>I think you just need to change the comparison in the above script:
>
>   if tArray[tLine] < 1 then
>
>At least, that will give you lines in pList2 that are not in pList1.
>
>Cheers
>Dave


thanks Dave, your 2 codes work very fine.
I use the first one to filter lines that are twice (or more) in a list fld

put fld "one" into tListOne
put fld "one" into tListTwo
put commonLines(tListOne,tListTwo) into myVar


Thank you for the help.
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Thu Apr 11 02:13:01 2002
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Thu Apr 11 02:13:01 2002
Subject: Check-box & radio button
In-Reply-To: <20020411060115.89312.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20020411060115.89312.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p05100301b8dad8ff5811@[10.0.1.202]>

>Hello everyone,
>
>How can you set up a check-box or radio type button to
>retain it's selection status (selected or deselected),
>so that when you reopen the stack it will show the
>saved selection status. 
>
>On a field, I know that you script:
>
>on closefield
>Set the udirty to true
>end closefield
>
>This works for retaining the content of the field,
>however, I cannot figure out how to make the check-box
>button retain it's selection status.
>
>Thanks
>
>Steve
>


With a custom property

on close card
    set the rHilite of this stack to the hilite of btn "yourbtnName"
end close card


on preopencard
    put the rhilite of this stack into tboolean
    set the hilite of btn "yourbtnName" to tboolean
end preopencard
-- 


From prodevm at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 11 02:15:01 2002
From: prodevm at yahoo.com (Steve L)
Date: Thu Apr 11 02:15:01 2002
Subject: non-related question
Message-ID: <20020411061407.31176.qmail@web20307.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi again,

I have a non-Rev related question.  I thought one of
you smart poeple might have an answer to this:

I have a partitioned hard-drive in my PC; it is
partitioned into c, d, e, & f drives.  Although, I try
not to install anything to "C-drive", however, the
system auto-installs all system, windows, and program
files related stuff there.  Thereby leaving me with
very little space left on C-drive for operation
purposes.  However, I have a ton of available space on
the other portions (d, e, & f) of the hard drive.

My question is: is there anyway to set the PC to use
one of the other partitions of the hard drive, other
than "C",, to use for operation purposes?

Or, some other way to free up space on C-drive, since
the files on there are put there by default and appear
that they cannot be moved.  

Thanks

Steve



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From drvaughan55 at mac.com  Thu Apr 11 02:20:01 2002
From: drvaughan55 at mac.com (David Vaughan)
Date: Thu Apr 11 02:20:01 2002
Subject: Check-box & radio button
In-Reply-To: <20020411060115.89312.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <07E5E339-4D14-11D6-87F5-000393598038@mac.com>

Steve

Although I can offer an answer, your post is a bit of a mystery to me in 
one respect.

On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 04:01 , Steve L wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> How can you set up a check-box or radio type button to
> retain it's selection status (selected or deselected),
> so that when you reopen the stack it will show the
> saved selection status.

If this is opened in Rev you can create a custom property for the button 
and save its state there. If it is a standa-alone then you will need to 
save that custom property state to a file you can  read at startup or 
make it a substack.

>
> On a field, I know that you script:
>
> on closefield
> Set the udirty to true
> end closefield

You do?? Why?
1.  a field (except in a standalone mainstack) is saved when you say 
"save" for the stack, from the menu or script.
2. udirty is not a Rev property that I can find in the Dictionary.
3. you appear to be setting a variable which is promptly forgotten by 
Rev when you close the stack, but item 1 presumably comes to your rescue 
anyway.

cheers
David

>
> This works for retaining the content of the field,
> however, I cannot figure out how to make the check-box
> button retain it's selection status.
>
> Thanks
>
> Steve
>
>
>
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From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Apr 11 03:11:01 2002
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu Apr 11 03:11:01 2002
Subject: Password-protecting a stack
In-Reply-To: <2CFE5176-4C0A-11D6-B99B-000393598038@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BBEIJJIICJJBOLMBODHCCEAPCJAA.chipp@chipp.com>

Hey David,

Nope, it's running mostly on PC's. I'm sure I could store the content in the
scripts, but it seems mre prolbematic that way...especially if I want to
edit the content directly. Thanks for the idea. I'll chat it up with a bud
of mine here.

best,

Chipp

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of David Vaughan
> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 5:36 PM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: Password-protecting a stack
>
>
> Chipp
>
> Do you need to go cross-platform? How good do you need the protection to
> be?
>
> I was thinking that you may be able to use a scriptable encryption
> program on OSX to secure your stack between use, although it would still
> be accessible during the time it was decrypted and in use.
>
> A stream encryptor would remove the accessible-file problem, so the data
> was stored in a file and decrypted only in memory for insertion in an
> empty stack at startup (if that is where you need to have it). I do not
> know immediately of any stream encryptors useable by Rev unless you
> write a basic one yourself although I am sure they are out there (at
> least as a set of algorithms). It seems a popular field for writing
> free- and shareware.
>
> Sorry about the "thoughts" rather than "answers" nature of the response.
>
> regards
> David
>
> On Wednesday, April 10, 2002, at 04:32 , Chipp Walters wrote:
>
> > Thanks for your response, Wolfgang.
> >
> > I understand what you're saying. The problem I'm having is that I can
> > save a
> > stack, set the password, but still anyone with RunRev can view the
> > contents
> > of the saved stack (and are only prompted for the password when they
> > try to
> > edit a script) -- as I'm saving the stack for ONLY the contents (as in a
> > datafile) it doesn't provide me much security.
> >
> > thanks anyway,
> >
> > Chipp
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> >
>
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From chipp at chipp.com  Thu Apr 11 03:11:21 2002
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Thu Apr 11 03:11:21 2002
Subject: Password-protecting a stack
In-Reply-To: <3CB396D4.C64A7E77@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <BBEIJJIICJJBOLMBODHCEEAPCJAA.chipp@chipp.com>

Good idea Jacqueline, I think this will work. Thanks,

Chipp

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of J. Landman
> Gay
> Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 8:35 PM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: RE: Password-protecting a stack
>
>
> "Chipp Walters" <chipp at chipp.com> wrote:
>
> > The problem I'm having is that I can save a
> > stack, set the password, but still anyone with RunRev can view
> the contents
> > of the saved stack (and are only prompted for the password when
> they try to
> > edit a script) -- as I'm saving the stack for ONLY the contents (as in a
> > datafile) it doesn't provide me much security.
>
> This may not be super-secure, but depending on your needs, it might
> work. There is a built-in base64 encoding command. You could write a
> script something like this:
>
> on closecard
>   repeat with x = 1 to the number of flds
>     put base64endcode(fld x) into fld x
>   end repeat
> end closecard
>
> on preopencard
>   repeat with x = 1 to the number of flds
>     put base64decode(fld x) into fld x
>   end repeat
> end preopencard
>
> Or you could manage the encoding somewhere else (openstack? whatever.)
> Require a password before decoding is enabled.
>
> This isn't exactly foolproof, because anyone with a base64 decryptor
> could un-encode it, but it would keep casual eyes from seeing what's in
> the fields.
>
> Another approach would be to store the encoded text as a custom property
> of its field, and just empty the field when you don't want people to see
> it. Even if they looked at the file in a text editor, the custom
> properties would be encoded and therefore unreadable (at least,
> unreadable without some effort.)
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com
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From benr at cogapp.com  Thu Apr 11 05:14:01 2002
From: benr at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Thu Apr 11 05:14:01 2002
Subject: testing whether the value of a variable is an array
Message-ID: <B8DA1EB5.22AF9%benr@cogapp.com>

Is there a clean way to test this?  Currently I'm using a pragmatic test:

    function isArray @v
      if v <> empty then return false
      return (the keys of v <> empty)
    end isArray

Is this reasonable?  Is there a more 'official' way?
 
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  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866




From nedlud at postoffice.pacbell.net  Thu Apr 11 05:14:17 2002
From: nedlud at postoffice.pacbell.net (nedlud at postoffice.pacbell.net)
Date: Thu Apr 11 05:14:17 2002
Subject: use-revolution digest, Vol 1 #332 - 13 msgs
Message-ID: <0GUD00ENUDGEWP@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net>

January 22, 1998
From: Jonathan <nedlud at pacbell.net>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Rob, 

I'm afraid you are mistaken. Seconds are extremely limited. Their limits 
are directly related to the limits of the computer. At the moment this 
means that time starts in the 1970's. So, for example, if you want to do 
common calculations such as generating the age of a person from their 
birthday you are screwed. The same is true for any calculation outside of 
the operating systems time window. Furthermore, I suspect that this is 
different on different platforms, so the problem will not be consistent. 
Julian dates are the standard for long time periods. Furthermore, Julian 
arithmetic is far simpler than the calculations required for seconds (no 
multiplication needed in most cases). And there are convenient methods 
for determining the day of the week -- something that is useful for 
calendars. Julian system is also a more compact representation -- seconds 
will eventually overflow when dealing with large time differentials. 

The closest functionality would be the date items function, but that is 
also tied to the computer clock and is therefore similarly limited. 

Frankly, I strongly believe that Julian dates should be the internal 
format since that would provide us with a standard time measure that is 
truly standard across all systems.

Also, I believe that Richard Gaskin posted a set of julian functions to 
the metacard list 3 or 4 months ago.

J/



Rob Cozens <rcozens at pon.net> wrote on 4/10/2002 11:49 AM

>The real bottom line is there are internal date representations (eg: 
>seconds; the long date) that naturally sort in chronological order, 
>and using seconds one can add/subtract days (1 day = 86400 seconds); 
>so there is little practical need for Julian date representation.
>-- 


From moeb at swissonline.ch  Thu Apr 11 05:14:25 2002
From: moeb at swissonline.ch (Marco Sch=?ISO-8859-1?B?9g==?=nenberger)
Date: Thu Apr 11 05:14:25 2002
Subject: filter command
Message-ID: <B8DA7C30.EC0%moeb@swissonline.ch>

You may also have a look at the intersect command

on mouseup
  put filterfields (fld 1, fld 2) into fld 3
end mouseup


FUNCTION filterfields vFeld1, vFeld2
  --step 1: convert fields into arrays
  --step 2: use the content of the field lines as keys of the array
  --step 3: intersect both arrays, the keys common to both arrays remain
  --Since I'm lazy, I'm using the replace command to prepare
   --the fields for the conversion into an array
  if last char of vFeld1 <> return then put return after vFELD1
  replace return with tab & return in vFeld1
  split vFeld1 with return and tab
  if last char of vFeld1 <> return then put return after vFELD2
  replace return with tab & return in vFeld2
  split vFeld2 with return and tab
  intersect vFeld1  with vFeld2
  return the keys of vFeld1
end filterfields

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: yves COPPE <yvescoppe at skynet.be>
> To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 3:05 PM
> Subject: filter command
>
>
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> > I have two flds. There are list flds.
> > I'd like to put in a variable the lines which are common to the two flds
> >
> > example
> >
> > Fld 1
> >
> > one
> > three
> > five
> >
> >
> > Fld 2
> >
> > One
> > two
> > three
> > four
> >
> >
> > the variable must contain :
> >
> > one
> > three
> >
> > How to proceed ?
> >
> >
> > thanks.
> > --
> > Greetings.
> >
> > Yves COPPE
> >
> > Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be
> > _______________________________________________
> > use-revolution mailing list
> > use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> > http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
>



From wmb at internettrainer.com  Thu Apr 11 05:28:01 2002
From: wmb at internettrainer.com (Wolfgang M. Bereuter)
Date: Thu Apr 11 05:28:01 2002
Subject: getting paid
In-Reply-To: <200204101603.MAA23374@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <B8DB2377.AC67%wmb@internettrainer.com>

am 10.04.2002 18:03 Uhr schrieb use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com
unter use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com:

> By the way, I want to offer my software on Mac, Windows, and Linux.  And I'm
> trying to avoid setting up a server to hand out passwords... I'd like to use a
> service like Kagi or DigitalRiver.  Anyone have experience with these?

until now good ones with http://shareit1.element5.com/
especially if you have to offer more than one language and currency for you
customers...

regards
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From drvaughan55 at mac.com  Thu Apr 11 05:32:02 2002
From: drvaughan55 at mac.com (David Vaughan)
Date: Thu Apr 11 05:32:02 2002
Subject: use-revolution digest, Vol 1 #332 - 13 msgs
In-Reply-To: <0GUD00ENUDGEWP@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net>
Message-ID: <D360551F-4D2E-11D6-87F5-000393598038@mac.com>

On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 06:41 , nedlud at postoffice.pacbell.net 
wrote:

> January 22, 1998
> From: Jonathan <nedlud at pacbell.net>
> To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Rob,
>
> I'm afraid you are mistaken. Seconds are extremely limited. Their limits
> are directly related to the limits of the computer. At the moment this
> means that time starts in the 1970's. So, for example, if you want to do
> common calculations such as generating the age of a person from their
> birthday you are screwed. The same is true for any calculation outside 
> of
> the operating systems time window.

Jonathan

Untrue. Try it.
I am older than 32 years so the calculation simply involves my birthday, 
pre-1970, being in negative time, which seems perfectlly reasonable to 
some :-).

> Furthermore, I suspect that this is
> different on different platforms,
yes. OS X has the UNIX base of 1970 where OS 9 has the Mac base of 1904, 
for example, but this does not mean...
> so the problem will not be consistent.
...because the inconsistency is completely immaterial to the arithmetic 
on any given platform.
>
snip
> Also, I believe that Richard Gaskin posted a set of julian functions to
> the metacard list 3 or 4 months ago.
Can we find them readily, or could someone post them here?

regards
David
>
> J/
>
>
>
> Rob Cozens <rcozens at pon.net> wrote on 4/10/2002 11:49 AM
>
>> The real bottom line is there are internal date representations (eg:
>> seconds; the long date) that naturally sort in chronological order,
>> and using seconds one can add/subtract days (1 day = 86400 seconds);
>> so there is little practical need for Julian date representation.
>> --
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From malte.brill at t-online.de  Thu Apr 11 06:39:01 2002
From: malte.brill at t-online.de (malte brill)
Date: Thu Apr 11 06:39:01 2002
Subject: Collision detection for irregular shaped objects.
Message-ID: <B8DB32E6.1E5%malte.brill@t-online.de>

Hi there!

Due to still not being "in the know" of coding in revolution I have a silly
newbie question.
I want to check if objects on my stack collide.
I got two PNG Images including Alpha Channels on my stack, the second one
placed in a distance of 100 pixels or so under the first one.
With the following script, the second one moves up and returns a beep, when
the images collide.
?
on mousedown 
??move image"new Image 2" relative 0,-5
??if intersect(image "image1", image "image2")
??then beep 
end mousedown 
?
Sorrowly it also beeps for transparent pixels, as intersect seems only to
check the rectangles, not the obcects themselfes. ?
Any suggestions? 
Regards Malte  



From mark_mitchell at kmug.org  Thu Apr 11 07:34:01 2002
From: mark_mitchell at kmug.org (Mark Mitchell)
Date: Thu Apr 11 07:34:01 2002
Subject: password protecting a stack
In-Reply-To: <200204110933.FAA18503@www.runrev.com>
References: <200204110933.FAA18503@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <fc.003d091700326fc03b9aca0011f688f5.326fc8@kmug.org>

>>chip writes:
> I understand what you're saying. The problem I'm having is that I can
>> > save a
>> > stack, set the password, but still anyone with RunRev can view the
>> > contents
>> > of the saved stack (and are only prompted for the password when they
> > try to
> > edit a script) -- as I'm saving the stack for ONLY the contents (as in a
> > datafile) it doesn't provide me much security.

You could put something like this in the stack script:

on openstack
hide me
end openStack

Of course, you can also hide fields in the stack, or set their loc beyond the card boundary etc.  Or, on openstack, you can
have the contents of the fields loaded into a variable(s) and then put "" into the fields, restoring the fields on closestack.
 When someone opens the stack, it looks like a bunch of blank fields.  There are many, many ways to hide contents.

good luck,
mark mitchell
japan



From kmajor at metascape.org  Thu Apr 11 07:57:01 2002
From: kmajor at metascape.org (Klaus Major)
Date: Thu Apr 11 07:57:01 2002
Subject: rename&revcopyfile
In-Reply-To: <B8DA664F.12D5%jcuccio@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <DBC6B91C-4D42-11D6-A2C8-003065D52E8E@metascape.org>

Hi John and all,

> ....
> rename function on a mac deletes the original file and copies the file 
> to
> the new location. On Win98 it gives the file at fp1 the new name only 
> and
> does not move the file. Even though it has a different file path.
>
>
> I can not get the revcopyfile to work on win98. Has anyone else had this
> problem.
> I checked to make sure the file paths where correct. By doing a open 
> file
> then close.
> ...


there is a tiny bug in the "revlibrary.rev", script of button "revCommon"

....
on revCopyFile pSrcFile, pDestFile
   if the platform is "MacOS" then
     if "applescript" is in the alternateLanguages then
       do revAppleScriptFull(copyFile,pSrcFile,pDestFile) as applescript
     else return "Error: AppleScript not installed"
   else if the platform is "Win32" then
     revSetWindowsShellCommand
     set the itemDel to "/"
   ####   put item -1 of pSrcFile into tFileName
   ####  not necessary, see below

     set the itemDel to comma
  ####  get shell ("copy" && 
revWindowsFromUnixPath(quote&pSrcFile&quote) && 
revWindowsFromUnixPath(quote&pDestFile&"\"&tFileName&quote))
  #### wont work, does not even give an error
  #### 1 concenating too much... ;-)
  ####pDestFile contains the complete path to the destination-file 
including the filename.

  get shell ("copy" && revWindowsFromUnixPath(quote&pSrcFile&quote) && 
revWindowsFromUnixPath(quote&pDestFile&quote))
#### this works

   else
     get shell ("cp -f" && quote&pSrcFile&quote && quote&pDestFile&quote)
   end if
   return the result
end revCopyFile


Hope this helps.

You can fix it by yourself, if you have a license.

But i am sure this will be fixed by the RR-team very quick.
Right, Kevin ?


Regards


Klaus Major
kmajor at metascape.org



From rpresender at mail.earthlink.net  Thu Apr 11 08:32:01 2002
From: rpresender at mail.earthlink.net (Robert Presender)
Date: Thu Apr 11 08:32:01 2002
Subject: Paint Text
Message-ID: <a05100300b8db2e6fd2b0@[67.219.86.134]>

Hi,

Just converted an old HyperCard stack (1988) to Rev.  The HC stack contains cards that have text created by the Text tool contained in the HC tool palette.

Want to add and change text on the Rev stack but can't find a text tool to do it.  I can use the eraser
in Rev and then substitute with text fields.

At present, the changes are being made in the HyperCard stack prior to opening in Rev.

Is there a way to make the changes in the rev stack?

Any help will be appreciated.

Regards ... Bob


From mike at essex-web.com  Thu Apr 11 08:43:01 2002
From: mike at essex-web.com (Michael Foy)
Date: Thu Apr 11 08:43:01 2002
Subject: OS X Icons
References: <a05100300b8db2e6fd2b0@[67.219.86.134]>
Message-ID: <001901c1e156$32c51b60$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>

well my stack is coming along now and it's time to consider those nice big
icons in OS X, so ready to compiled my stack to an executable, is there
anything I should do in RR and/or other bits of software out there for
putting the large icons on it

miock

thanks





From rpresender at mail.earthlink.net  Thu Apr 11 08:48:00 2002
From: rpresender at mail.earthlink.net (Robert Presender)
Date: Thu Apr 11 08:48:00 2002
Subject: Debug
Message-ID: <a05100301b8db350f62b4@[67.219.86.63]>

Hi,

Would appreciate help in how to use the debugger including what commands are used in scripts to initiate the debugger.

Can't find any documentation in Rev other than in Transcript., which at this point doesn't help me.

Regards ... Bob


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Apr 11 09:57:01 2002
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu Apr 11 09:57:01 2002
Subject: non-related question
References: <20020411061407.31176.qmail@web20307.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004501c1e160$3f797900$7c00a8c0@mckinley.dom>

Steve,

I would use PartitionMagic (by PowerQuest) to repartition your system and
give more space to the C drive.

Just my 2 cents,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve L" <prodevm at yahoo.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:14 AM
Subject: non-related question


> Hi again,
>
> I have a non-Rev related question.  I thought one of
> you smart poeple might have an answer to this:
>
> I have a partitioned hard-drive in my PC; it is
> partitioned into c, d, e, & f drives.  Although, I try
> not to install anything to "C-drive", however, the
> system auto-installs all system, windows, and program
> files related stuff there.  Thereby leaving me with
> very little space left on C-drive for operation
> purposes.  However, I have a ton of available space on
> the other portions (d, e, & f) of the hard drive.
>
> My question is: is there anyway to set the PC to use
> one of the other partitions of the hard drive, other
> than "C",, to use for operation purposes?
>
> Or, some other way to free up space on C-drive, since
> the files on there are put there by default and appear
> that they cannot be moved.
>
> Thanks
>
> Steve
>
>
>
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From rcozens at pon.net  Thu Apr 11 11:24:01 2002
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Thu Apr 11 11:24:01 2002
Subject: Julian Dates?
In-Reply-To: <v03130307b8daaff8f1d9@[216.99.192.102]>
References: <a05100306b8da160234dc@[216.229.107.251]>
 <B8D9C58E.75D%harrison@all-auctions.com>
 <a05100306b8da160234dc@[216.229.107.251]>
 <v03130307b8daaff8f1d9@[216.99.192.102]>
Message-ID: <a05100300b8db4bbe7e9a@[216.229.107.164]>

>No, you were right the first time: if you use "dateTime" in a sort command
>you get a date sort on any of the date or time forms.

Hi Jeanne,

"Naturally sort in chronological order" was a bad choice of words, 
since I was not directly referring to the sort command.  My meaning 
was seconds and dateItems will sort chronologically without 
"dateTime" in the sort command...ie: that in a character-by-character 
comparison of two dates the earlier date will always be < the later 
date when both dates are are in seconds or dateItems.  This is not 
true of long & short date formats.
-- 

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)


From rcozens at pon.net  Thu Apr 11 11:24:32 2002
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Thu Apr 11 11:24:32 2002
Subject: Julian Dates?
In-Reply-To: <0GUD00ENUDGEWP@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net>
References: <0GUD00ENUDGEWP@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net>
Message-ID: <a05100301b8db53b35d30@[216.229.107.164]>

>Seconds are extremely limited. Their limits
>are directly related to the limits of the computer. At the moment this
>means that time starts in the 1970's. So, for example, if you want to do
>common calculations such as generating the age of a person from their
>birthday you are screwed.

Hi Jonathan,

This being the case, I'm trying to figure out why my biorhythm 
charting stack hasn't choked yet.  Perhaps because it's written in 
HyperTalk (where the base year is 1904) and no one has wanted to 
chart anyone over 98 years old.

I guess "extremely limited" is in the eye of the beholder.  I have 
used these date constructs for years, and find little need to 
manipulate dates more than 25 years past, except for dates of birth. 
I'm working with current dates, invoice dates, order dates, due 
dates, payroll run dates, paycheck dates, delivery dates, payment 
dates, batch entry dates, etc.  Dates of birth and historical dates 
are about all I've ever found that could cause problems, and the 
later are not usually subject to manipulation.

Still, thanks for reminding me that Transcript's earliest supported 
date is about 70 years more recent than HyperCard's.
-- 

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)


From rcozens at pon.net  Thu Apr 11 11:24:40 2002
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Thu Apr 11 11:24:40 2002
Subject: Julian Dates?
In-Reply-To: <D360551F-4D2E-11D6-87F5-000393598038@mac.com>
References: <D360551F-4D2E-11D6-87F5-000393598038@mac.com>
Message-ID: <a05100302b8db58d39168@[216.229.107.164]>

>Try it.
>I am older than 32 years so the calculation simply involves my 
>birthday, pre-1970, being in negative time, which seems perfectlly 
>reasonable to some :-).

David,

But what happens when you try to manipulate your negative time?

If I "get -86400" and then "convert it to dateItems" I get "Invalid Date."
-- 

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)


From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Apr 11 12:19:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu Apr 11 12:19:01 2002
Subject: Julian Dates?
In-Reply-To: <a05100301b8db53b35d30@[216.229.107.164]>
Message-ID: <F1590412-4D66-11D6-9320-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 09:21 AM, Rob Cozens wrote:

> Still, thanks for reminding me that Transcript's earliest 
> supported date is about 70 years more recent than HyperCard's.

convert ... from seconds to long date

...seems to work in about the 1901 to 2035 range on my OS X (where 
seconds seem to be limited to a little less than a signed 32 bit 
int).

Let's see.  A typical mortgage is 30 years.  Many bonds mature in 
25 or 30 years.  Many on this list will retire in 40 years.  Comets 
takes dozens of years to return.

Dar Scott



From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Apr 11 13:25:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu Apr 11 13:25:01 2002
Subject: My development stack
Message-ID: <1C15D1E4-4D70-11D6-9320-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

I want to make a stack to help me in development and I'm not sure 
how to start.

I want it to act like browse even though pointer (edit) is selected.

I want to know which card and stack I'm working on.

I want to make sure I don't fool with rev stacks.

I might want to change the text in the rev script edit field.

Is this doable?

Dar Scott



From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Thu Apr 11 13:35:28 2002
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Thu Apr 11 13:35:28 2002
Subject: Debug
In-Reply-To: <a05100301b8db350f62b4@[67.219.86.63]>
Message-ID: <B8DB86E1.22BB0%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

on 11/4/02 1:47 PM, Robert Presender at rpresender at mail.earthlink.net wrote:

> Would appreciate help in how to use the debugger including what commands are
> used in scripts to initiate the debugger.

The debugger is not at present one of Rev's strongest points, but it is
usable.

The first thing to note is that you have to explicitly open the debugger
window before executing a handler - there's no way to break into the
debugger 'cold'.  Another way of looking at this is that you have to be in
'Script Debug Mode' (that's actually what the menu item that opens the
Debugger window, from the Development menu, is called).  (Perhaps it would
be good if Rev allowed you to select this mode without having the window
open, so that when you hit a breakpoint, if you're in the mode, then the
debugger window opens.)  There has been an issue that if the Debugger window
is open, and you edit a script, the Debugger window doesn't necessarily
update to show the new version of the script - I'm not sure if this has been
fixed, but watch out for it.  If in doubt, close and re-open the Debugger
window again.

Given this, there are two ways to set breakpoints: you can use the command
'breakpoint' in code; or you can set a temporary breakpoint by clicking on a
statement in the Debugger window (it turns red).

While debugging, it's worth noting that the buttons 'step into' and 'step
over' don't work quite as they do in most debuggers.  Or rather, the do as
far as it goes; but if you use 'step over' to step past the last statement
in a handler 'bar', you do not, as you might expect, step on to the next
statement in the handler 'foo'  which called 'bar'; instead, you will (pace
other breakpoints) next regain control when 'bar' is called again.  Use
'step into' to step out of 'bar' and back to 'foo'.  There is sadly no 'step
out of'.

One more gotcha; you can't abort when in debug mode.

> Can't find any documentation in Rev other than in Transcript., which at this
> point doesn't help me.

An essay in the Development Guide on Debugging has been requested, and I'm
sure it's on the list - all I can say about the documentation is that
there's a lot of it, what there is of a very high quality, and it's
improving rapidly.  But there's still a lot needed.

 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866




From jeanne at runrev.com  Thu Apr 11 13:36:55 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Thu Apr 11 13:36:55 2002
Subject: testing whether the value of a variable is an array
In-Reply-To: <B8DA1EB5.22AF9%benr@cogapp.com>
Message-ID: <v03130315b8db71254ca0@[216.99.192.102]>

At 8:58 AM -0700 4/10/2002, Ben Rubinstein wrote:
>Is there a clean way to test this?  Currently I'm using a pragmatic test:
>
>    function isArray @v
>      if v <> empty then return false
>      return (the keys of v <> empty)
>    end isArray
>
>Is this reasonable?  Is there a more 'official' way?

That's the way I'd do it. Testing the keys is definitive.

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From rcozens at pon.net  Thu Apr 11 16:17:01 2002
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Thu Apr 11 16:17:01 2002
Subject: Julian Dates?
In-Reply-To: <a05100302b8db58d39168@[216.229.107.164]>
References: <D360551F-4D2E-11D6-87F5-000393598038@mac.com>
 <a05100302b8db58d39168@[216.229.107.164]>
Message-ID: <a05100301b8db9d9e41be@[216.229.107.147]>

>But what happens when you try to manipulate your negative time?
>
>If I "get -86400" and then "convert it to dateItems" I get "Invalid Date."

David, et al,

My apologies on this one.  Perhaps it has something to do with the 
lack of persistence of the value of it?

Anyway, in a script:

on testDate
   ask "Enter a date"
   convert it to seconds
   put it into zaDate
   convert it to dateItems
   put zaDate&&"="&&it
end testDate

-86400 does not give me "Invalid Date", but a date in 1969.
-- 

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)


From drvaughan55 at mac.com  Thu Apr 11 17:52:01 2002
From: drvaughan55 at mac.com (David Vaughan)
Date: Thu Apr 11 17:52:01 2002
Subject: Julian Dates?
In-Reply-To: <a05100301b8db9d9e41be@[216.229.107.147]>
Message-ID: <1D1FF8EC-4D96-11D6-87F5-000393598038@mac.com>

On Friday, April 12, 2002, at 06:11 , Rob Cozens wrote:

>> But what happens when you try to manipulate your negative time?
>>
>> If I "get -86400" and then "convert it to dateItems" I get "Invalid 
>> Date."
>
> David, et al,
>
> My apologies on this one.  Perhaps it has something to do with the lack 
> of persistence of the value of it?
>
> Anyway, in a script:
>
> on testDate
>   ask "Enter a date"
>   convert it to seconds
>   put it into zaDate
>   convert it to dateItems
>   put zaDate&&"="&&it
> end testDate
>
> -86400 does not give me "Invalid Date", but a date in 1969.

Also, one does not normally start by entering a date in seconds ;-) but 
with a Julian date which happens to be negative seconds when converted, 
or the result of a calculation which likewise may be prior to 1970. All 
of these are handled impeccably in the date range suggested by Dar, from 
1901. Failing after 2035 looks a bit of a worry though. I may be dead in 
sufficient time but how do I deal with data for younger people?

cheers
David
> --
> Rob Cozens
> CCW, Serendipity Software Company
> http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm
>
> "And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
> Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."
>
> from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)
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From mojo at alienfake.de  Thu Apr 11 18:01:01 2002
From: mojo at alienfake.de (Mojo)
Date: Thu Apr 11 18:01:01 2002
Subject: <Kein Betreff>
Message-ID: <B8DBD3FB.C%mojo@alienfake.de>




From themacguy at mac.com  Thu Apr 11 18:14:01 2002
From: themacguy at mac.com (Barry Levine)
Date: Thu Apr 11 18:14:01 2002
Subject: Reports - one more time
Message-ID: <037F22BC-4D99-11D6-BB71-003065BC131C@mac.com>

I posted this question once before but only received one response (which 
I have not tried yet). How are you handling the printing of reports 
through Revolution? Do you put them into a field with tabs to separate 
columns of numbers/text? How about multiple fields lined up parallel to 
each other? What method do you use? Are there any stacks posted anywhere 
that illustrate the technique?

Thanks,

Barry
--------------------------------------------------------
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"The Mac Guy"
Macintosh Troubleshooting, System Engineering, Training,
AppleShare/OSX Server Setup, System Upgrades and Enhancements
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From drvaughan55 at mac.com  Thu Apr 11 18:55:01 2002
From: drvaughan55 at mac.com (David Vaughan)
Date: Thu Apr 11 18:55:01 2002
Subject: Reports - one more time
In-Reply-To: <037F22BC-4D99-11D6-BB71-003065BC131C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <FD074FEA-4D9E-11D6-87F5-000393598038@mac.com>

On Friday, April 12, 2002, at 08:11 , Barry Levine wrote:

> I posted this question once before but only received one response 
> (which I have not tried yet). How are you handling the printing of 
> reports through Revolution?
By way of explanation for non-response, I'm not. Right now, if I wanted 
to do a report from Rev then I would export the required data with 
appropriate tab positioning and lay it out it in a spreadsheet, a WP 
table or something like Nisus where its grep and macros speed up 
fiddling. Perhaps I've just come over all depressed about missing the 
HyperCard reporting tool. I know that tabbed text layouts have been 
discussed on this list before and Jacqueline's pseudotable may help with 
formatting if it holds for printing.

I suspect that if you invent a good solution, we will all want to know 
about it. I have a couple of HyperCard stacks from which I print reports 
and they are very late on my list for conversion.

regards
David
>
> Thanks,
>
> Barry
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From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Thu Apr 11 20:13:01 2002
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah Reichelt)
Date: Thu Apr 11 20:13:01 2002
Subject: Reports - one more time
In-Reply-To: <p051015d1b8dbbb623299@[192.168.1.2]>
Message-ID: <E3ACD90D-4DA9-11D6-835C-00306566C7B4@genesearch.com.au>

I have done a bit of work on such a display and here are the techniques 
I used:

A single field with tab-stops (turn on the vertical grid so you can see 
what's happening)

Shorten any text that is longer than the tab-stops:
	I do this using a hidden field with the same text properties and 
the same width as the tab-stops.
	This function returns the shortened version of the text: (thanks to 
Geoff Canyon for this function)
	The "Format Check" field must NOT be set to dontWrap and the 
maximum number of complete words will be returned:
	
	function truncateToFit theString
	  put theString into fld "Format Check"
	  return (line 1 of the formattedText of fld "Format Check")
	end truncateToFit

	If you want the maximum number of characters and don't care about 
complete words,
		then set the dontWrap of the Format Check field to true and 
use this function instead:

	function trimToFit theString
	  put theString into fld "Format Check"
	  repeat while the formattedWidth of fld "Format Check" > the width 
of fld "Format Check"
	    delete last char of fld "Format Check"
	  end repeat
	  return fld "Format Check"
	end trimToFit

Use the format function to right-align numbers:
	format("%6.2f", myNumber)  -- 4.7  returns "  4.70"
	format("%6d",myNumber)     -- 56   returns "    56"

Then use revPrintField and in the latest versions, it produces a 
beautifully aligned print-out.

Cheers,
Sarah


On Friday, April 12, 2002, at 08:14  am, Barry Levine wrote:

> I posted this question once before but only received one response 
> (which I have not tried yet). How are you handling the printing of 
> reports through Revolution? Do you put them into a field with tabs to 
> separate columns of numbers/text? How about multiple fields lined up 
> parallel to each other? What method do you use? Are there any stacks 
> posted anywhere that illustrate the technique?




From drvaughan55 at mac.com  Thu Apr 11 20:34:00 2002
From: drvaughan55 at mac.com (David Vaughan)
Date: Thu Apr 11 20:34:00 2002
Subject: Reports - one more time
In-Reply-To: <E3ACD90D-4DA9-11D6-835C-00306566C7B4@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <C134F7B2-4DAC-11D6-87F5-000393598038@mac.com>

Sarah

I wasn't the one to ask the question but thanks. This will be useful.

regards
David

On Friday, April 12, 2002, at 10:11 , Sarah Reichelt wrote:

> I have done a bit of work on such a display and here are the techniques 
> I used:
>
> A single field with tab-stops (turn on the vertical grid so you can see 
> what's happening)
>
> Shorten any text that is longer than the tab-stops:
> 	I do this using a hidden field with the same text properties and 
> the same width as the tab-stops.
> 	This function returns the shortened version of the text: (thanks 
> to Geoff Canyon for this function)
> 	The "Format Check" field must NOT be set to dontWrap and the 
> maximum number of complete words will be returned:
> 	
> 	function truncateToFit theString
> 	  put theString into fld "Format Check"
> 	  return (line 1 of the formattedText of fld "Format Check")
> 	end truncateToFit
>
> 	If you want the maximum number of characters and don't care about 
> complete words,
> 		then set the dontWrap of the Format Check field to true and 
> use this function instead:
>
> 	function trimToFit theString
> 	  put theString into fld "Format Check"
> 	  repeat while the formattedWidth of fld "Format Check" > the 
> width of fld "Format Check"
> 	    delete last char of fld "Format Check"
> 	  end repeat
> 	  return fld "Format Check"
> 	end trimToFit
>
> Use the format function to right-align numbers:
> 	format("%6.2f", myNumber)  -- 4.7  returns "  4.70"
> 	format("%6d",myNumber)     -- 56   returns "    56"
>
> Then use revPrintField and in the latest versions, it produces a 
> beautifully aligned print-out.
>
> Cheers,
> Sarah
>
>
> On Friday, April 12, 2002, at 08:14  am, Barry Levine wrote:
>
>> I posted this question once before but only received one response 
>> (which I have not tried yet). How are you handling the printing of 
>> reports through Revolution? Do you put them into a field with tabs to 
>> separate columns of numbers/text? How about multiple fields lined up 
>> parallel to each other? What method do you use? Are there any stacks 
>> posted anywhere that illustrate the technique?
>
>
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From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Apr 12 00:41:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri Apr 12 00:41:01 2002
Subject: Collision detection for irregular shaped objects.
In-Reply-To: <B8DB32E6.1E5%malte.brill@t-online.de>
Message-ID: <7E3C322A-4DCE-11D6-BA27-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 05:32 AM, malte brill wrote:

> I want to check if objects on my stack collide.
> I got two PNG Images including Alpha Channels on my stack, the 
> second one
> placed in a distance of 100 pixels or so under the first one.

Consider this.  It might be a little naive and slow, so if this is 
for a game you may need to come up with a way to speed this up.  
This is for images only.

******
If they don't overlap, they don't collide.

Otherwise, calculate the overlap rectangle.

For pixels in the overlap check to see if the opacity of the pixel 
in one image and that of the corresponding pixel in the other image 
indicate collision.  (Say, add to over 100% opacity.)  If all 
pixels are checked and none collide, then the images do not collide.

If any pixel collides, quit the check; the images collide.
********

Use the alphaData property of the images to get the alphaData 
info.  It is a string of bytes, so you have to do some math to pull 
out the right byte for each pixel.

Alternately, if the images are of circles or perhaps some other 
simple regular shape, then a simple model of the shape can be used 
to check collision.

Dar Scott



From katir at hindu.org  Fri Apr 12 01:04:02 2002
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Fri Apr 12 01:04:02 2002
Subject: Grep Challenge/Multi-line HTML chunks
In-Reply-To: <200204110502.BAA11806@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <B8DB8E5C.9E08%katir@hindu.org>

Ken, thank you! too simple... (smile) and you are right, line breaks nee
don't need to be respected... in fact don't want to be, as they are part of
the "problem"  in terms of different editors breaking the code
for clarity using their own idea... some adding two blank lines
between sections etc... others not.


on 4/10/02 7:02 PM, Ken Ray wrote:

> on ReplaceFooter sourceString,replaceString
> local tStart,tEnd
> get matchChunk(tText,"(?s)<!--Footer Text-->(.*)</HTML>",tStart,tEnd)
> if it is true then
>   put replaceString into char tStart to tEnd of sourceString
>   return sourceString
> else
>    answer "Matching error."
> end if
> end ReplaceFooter
> 
> Keep in mind that this does not follow your rule "</HTML>" is on its own
> line - it doesn't have to be. The regex (?s) tells MC to treat
> 'sourceString' as if everything was on one line, so line breaks are ignored.
> If you want line breaks to be respected,  let me know and I'll give you
> alternative code. But if this is for HTML, it shouldn't matter if </HTML> is
> on its own line or not.


Hinduism Today

Sivakatirswami
Editor's Assistant/Production Manager
katir at hindu.org 
www.HinduismToday.com, www.HimalayanAcademy.com,
www.Gurudeva.org, www.hindu.org



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Apr 12 01:41:01 2002
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri Apr 12 01:41:01 2002
Subject: Grep Challenge/Multi-line HTML chunks
References: <B8DB8E5C.9E08%katir@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <004401c1e1e4$1ad3dd50$e90e48a6@mckinley.dom>

One thing I forgot... you need to use MC 2.4.2 in order to use this code.
The "perl-compatible regular expressions" support in MC 2.4.2 is crucial to
have this work.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sivakatirswami" <katir at hindu.org>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: Grep Challenge/Multi-line HTML chunks


> Ken, thank you! too simple... (smile) and you are right, line breaks nee
> don't need to be respected... in fact don't want to be, as they are part
of
> the "problem"  in terms of different editors breaking the code
> for clarity using their own idea... some adding two blank lines
> between sections etc... others not.
>
>
> on 4/10/02 7:02 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
>
> > on ReplaceFooter sourceString,replaceString
> > local tStart,tEnd
> > get matchChunk(tText,"(?s)<!--Footer Text-->(.*)</HTML>",tStart,tEnd)
> > if it is true then
> >   put replaceString into char tStart to tEnd of sourceString
> >   return sourceString
> > else
> >    answer "Matching error."
> > end if
> > end ReplaceFooter
> >
> > Keep in mind that this does not follow your rule "</HTML>" is on its own
> > line - it doesn't have to be. The regex (?s) tells MC to treat
> > 'sourceString' as if everything was on one line, so line breaks are
ignored.
> > If you want line breaks to be respected,  let me know and I'll give you
> > alternative code. But if this is for HTML, it shouldn't matter if
</HTML> is
> > on its own line or not.
>
>
> Hinduism Today
>
> Sivakatirswami
> Editor's Assistant/Production Manager
> katir at hindu.org
> www.HinduismToday.com, www.HimalayanAcademy.com,
> www.Gurudeva.org, www.hindu.org
>
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From fuegox at mac.com  Fri Apr 12 02:57:01 2002
From: fuegox at mac.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Fri Apr 12 02:57:01 2002
Subject: OS X Icons
In-Reply-To: <200204111604.MAA27252@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <57A4966C-4DE2-11D6-9C7A-003065B78238@mac.com>

On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 09:04  AM, use-revolution-
request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
>
> well my stack is coming along now and it's time to consider those nice 
> big
> icons in OS X, so ready to compiled my stack to an executable, is there
> anything I should do in RR and/or other bits of software out there for
> putting the large icons on it
>
> miock
>
> thanks


Miock,

You need to download the developer tools from Apple's website.  There 
are icon tools in there. Plus, resedit.  And, Graphic Converter.

These are the tools I use at least.  There may be other ways.

Graphic converter is used to bring over the large icon resources to your 
app.  They are too big to cut and paste in.  Res Edit has a 32k limit.

-Mark Talluto



From fuegox at mac.com  Fri Apr 12 03:04:01 2002
From: fuegox at mac.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Fri Apr 12 03:04:01 2002
Subject: My development stack
In-Reply-To: <200204120542.BAA10828@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <5A2CE5C8-4DE3-11D6-9C7A-003065B78238@mac.com>

On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 10:42  PM, use-revolution-
request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
>
> I want to make a stack to help me in development and I'm not sure
> how to start.
>
> I want it to act like browse even though pointer (edit) is selected.
Just make sure you set the style of the stack to palette.  This will do 
the trick.
>
> I want to know which card and stack I'm working on.
hmmm..  I guess you could use the send command to check the card num of 
the stack you are working on every few second(s).
>
> I want to make sure I don't fool with rev stacks.
I wouldn't either
>
> I might want to change the text in the rev script edit field.
Just go the text menu option and change the font and size.  It (the menu 
"text") is greyed, but it works.  Once you use it, the grey effect is 
gone.

>
> Is this doable?
>
> Dar Scott

Mark Talluto



From mike at essex-web.com  Fri Apr 12 04:40:01 2002
From: mike at essex-web.com (Michael Foy)
Date: Fri Apr 12 04:40:01 2002
Subject: OS X Icons
References: <57A4966C-4DE2-11D6-9C7A-003065B78238@mac.com>
Message-ID: <007401c1e1fd$7ac83080$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>

it's the transparancy issue that was giving me all the grief, nice to see
ResEdit still out there and doing it's jack-in-the-box stuff

with all the freebee stuff out there the one I found how to use and of most
use was Icon machine lll (at $25.00) (ouch)(well I know it's not really
ouch, but I only need to make 3 icons, so that's over $6.00 each)(bah!
humbug), it's a neat program.

thanks mark







From subscriber at btopenworld.com  Fri Apr 12 05:36:01 2002
From: subscriber at btopenworld.com (Subscriber)
Date: Fri Apr 12 05:36:01 2002
Subject: Puzzling with ads on magazine pages (Off Topic ?)
References: <B8DAE0A9.16A63%terry@discovery.nl>
Message-ID: <007401c1e177$74fcb1c0$1201a8c0@server>

Ahhhhhh a classic Operational Research 'Packing' Problem. Comes in many
shapes and forms. These problems 'seem' to be quite simple, until you start
looking at the options. Take a look at

http://arp.anu.edu.au/www/software/piclay/html/piclaydemo.html

Which states "Arranging pictures or photographs on a wall or a sheet of
paper can be viewed as a layout problem that consists in placing a set of
rectangles on a large rectangle so that there are no overlaps, and all edges
are parallel to either the vertical or horizontal edge of the large
rectangle..." (includes JAVA source code if required).

This should give you ideas about how to approach the problem. Otherwise
search on 'Operational Research Packing' on the web. You'll find there's no
right answer and that everyone else tells you their solution is
better/faster/more efficient.

Have Fun !

Gary Rathbone


----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Vogelaar" <terry at discovery.nl>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 5:41 AM
Subject: Puzzling with ads on magazine pages


> I need to make a program that figures out how a couple of rectangles fit
> best into a number of larger rects. OK, this sounds too cunfusing. I need
to
> make a program that fits several advertisements on 12 magazine pages. And
I
> want Revolution to figure out what ad should be placed where. None of the
> ads has a standard width or height. The ads don't need to align, however.
As
> long as they fit and as long as they don't overlap.
>
> Challenging, isn't it?
>
> Any suggestions to get started?
>
> Terry
> http://www.discovery.nl
>
>
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> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
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From preid at reidit.co.uk  Fri Apr 12 08:33:02 2002
From: preid at reidit.co.uk (Peter Reid)
Date: Fri Apr 12 08:33:02 2002
Subject: COM Port Handshaking
Message-ID: <p05100305b8dc83c1241f@[192.168.181.1]>

I'm trying to connect to some analytical equipment and extract data 
from its RS232C port.  I've got comms working but it's clearly not 
handshaking since some commands don't get through properly and some 
data coming back is incomplete.

Can someone tell how to set up a PC COM port for hardware or software 
handshaking.  Any other advice or examples of COM port working would 
be appreciated.

Cheers

Peter
-- 
Peter Reid
Reid-IT Limited, Loughborough, Leics., UK
Tel: +44 (0)1509 268843 Fax: +44 (0)870 052 7576
E-mail: preid at reidit.co.uk
Web: http://www.reidit.co.uk


From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Apr 12 08:34:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri Apr 12 08:34:01 2002
Subject: New registry keys
Message-ID: <9306EF45-4E10-11D6-BDF6-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

Will setRegistry() automatically make keys?

(This is one area where I'd rather not experiment.)

Dar Scott



From BradAllen at mac.com  Fri Apr 12 09:24:01 2002
From: BradAllen at mac.com (Brad Allen)
Date: Fri Apr 12 09:24:01 2002
Subject: Reports - one more time
In-Reply-To: <C134F7B2-4DAC-11D6-87F5-000393598038@mac.com>
References: <C134F7B2-4DAC-11D6-87F5-000393598038@mac.com>
Message-ID: <a05101506b8dc8bc71011@[207.13.30.31]>

Nine to Five Software made a fantastic report generating tool for 
HyperCard, called Reports Datapro. I don't know if they're still in 
business, but a tool similar to that would be great for Revolution.

Reports had a section-oriented layout tool, with sections for break 
summaries, sub-summaries, grand summaries, headers, footers, and a 
main body. It had a sort and select tool which acted on a HyperCard 
stack in a way similar to flat file databases. The report generation 
could be controlled by scripts, and as the report generated, messages 
flowed up the message hierarchy to provide strong scripted control of 
report generation. It was a nice tool.

Unfortunately, report generation was a tiny sub-nice market in the 
already small market of HyperCard developers. I doubt Nine to Five 
software made much money on their product. If anyone wanted to create 
a similar product for Revolution, they'd face a similar financial 
obstacle.

However, since Rev can communicate with external databases, the 
reporting tools for those databases are available to Rev.


-- 


From steve at messimercomputing.com  Fri Apr 12 09:31:01 2002
From: steve at messimercomputing.com (Steve Messimer)
Date: Fri Apr 12 09:31:01 2002
Subject: Dev Project
Message-ID: <B8DC59B8.591%steve@messimercomputing.com>

Dar Scott said:

> I want to make a stack to help me in development and I'm not sure
> how to start.
> 
> I want it to act like browse even though pointer (edit) is selected.

Not sure what you mean here.

> I want to know which card and stack I'm working on.

If you create a plug-in you can always get the name of the topStack and the
name or ID of the current card.

example:

put the short name of topStack into fld "objStackName"
put the id of the current card of the topStack into fld "objCardID"
-- I use the id because the plug-in that I am making can't be sure that a
card will always be named.  Of course, depending on what you want to do you
may want to store this info in variables.  I place it in flds because I want
to be sure where the Objects I am making are being created.

> 
> I want to make sure I don't fool with rev stacks.


It sounds like you need to make a plug-in.  This isn't well documented but
is relatively easy to do. Basically you create a stack and drop it in the
plug-ins folder.

 
> I might want to change the text in the rev script edit field.

Do you mean that you want to change one object's script via an event
executed in another Object (eg a btn click )

put the script of btn (fld, cd etc. ) objName into scriptChanger
-- then parse the info and make changes as needed

Completely change the script

on mouseUp
   set the script of grp myGrp to the newScript of me.
end mouseUp

-- In this instance I have created a custom property ( newScript ) to store
an alternative script for the grp myGroup.  Me is the Object that contains
the custom property  and the mouseUp handler. Once you have stored the
script as a custom property you can use it to modify any object's script.

You could also store the text of the handler in a fld and then

set the script of grp myGrp to fld "scriptHolder"

> 
> Dar Scott




From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Apr 12 10:01:00 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri Apr 12 10:01:00 2002
Subject: COM Port Handshaking
In-Reply-To: <p05100305b8dc83c1241f@[192.168.181.1]>
Message-ID: <D8877A36-4E1C-11D6-BDF6-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Friday, April 12, 2002, at 06:32 AM, Peter Reid wrote:

> Can someone tell how to set up a PC COM port for hardware or 
> software handshaking.  Any other advice or examples of COM port 
> working would be appreciated.
>
The device on the other end needs to understand the handshake.  
Check your manual for that.  Also, if you use hardware handshaking, 
then the cable needs to be wired for it.  The recommended cable for 
the equipment might also provide a clue as to handshaking.

Use the serialControlString property to set up handshaking before 
opening the COM port.

For software handshaking, include "xon=on" in your string.

For hardware handshaking, use one of the hardware control 
substrings.  I have not used these yet, but the doc says it is the 
same as the the string for the mode command in Windows.  The 
documentation for that is slightly different in important ways.  I 
suspect you want "rts=hs", but I'm just guessing.  I'd be pleased 
to learn what you find out.

Some equipment cannot talk and walk at the same time.  For some you 
should not send a command until you have the complete response from 
the previous command.  Also, some equipment will send unsolicited 
information and that might confuse your code.  In this case set up 
response handling to be always on and independent of commands.

ASCII data?  If the response might includes nulls, remove or change 
those before putting the response into a field.  Also, you might 
need to do some end-of-line transformations.

Before you get too far into handshaking, you might want to look at 
your scripts with an eye on timing.

Dar Scott








From jan.decroos at groepvanroey.be  Fri Apr 12 10:28:03 2002
From: jan.decroos at groepvanroey.be (Jan Decroos)
Date: Fri Apr 12 10:28:03 2002
Subject: rename&revcopyfile
In-Reply-To: <200204111606.MAA27391@www.runrev.com>
References: <200204111606.MAA27391@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <fc.0073fc4600073e2c3b9aca00de756ecd.74053@groepvanroey.be>

use-revolution at lists.runrev.com writes:
>there is a tiny bug in the "revlibrary.rev", script of button "revCommon"
>
>....
>on revCopyFile pSrcFile, pDestFile
>   if the platform is "MacOS" then
>     if "applescript" is in the alternateLanguages then
>       do revAppleScriptFull(copyFile,pSrcFile,pDestFile) as applescript
>     else return "Error: AppleScript not installed"
>   else if the platform is "Win32" then
>     revSetWindowsShellCommand
>     set the itemDel to "/"
>   ####   put item -1 of pSrcFile into tFileName
>   ####  not necessary, see below
>
>     set the itemDel to comma
>  ####  get shell ("copy" && 
>revWindowsFromUnixPath(quote&pSrcFile&quote) && 
>revWindowsFromUnixPath(quote&pDestFile&"\"&tFileName&quote))
>  #### wont work, does not even give an error
>  #### 1 concenating too much... ;-)
>  ####pDestFile contains the complete path to the destination-file 
>including the filename.
>
>  get shell ("copy" && revWindowsFromUnixPath(quote&pSrcFile&quote) && 
>revWindowsFromUnixPath(quote&pDestFile&quote))
>#### this works
>
>   else
>     get shell ("cp -f" && quote&pSrcFile&quote && quote&pDestFile&quote)
>   end if
>   return the result
>end revCopyFile


The original reCopyFile was made in assumption the second argument is a FOLDER,
despite the name (pDestFile).

I've changed some scripts and tested it for MacOS 9.2 (classic)

the script replace the scripts in the revCommon stack in revLibrary.

What's changed and what should still be done ?

1. revCopyFile
- 2nd argument can now be a volume, folder of  file name
- AppleScript part changed so the file can be copied to the 
		- another folder (copy file)
		- another disk (copy file)
		- the same folder with another file name (duplicate file)
- it the pDestination (file) already exists, it will be deleted (should it?)
just like in the UNIX part (cp -f ... )
- windows part : used pDestination which contains the fullpath name of the new
file

2. revApplescriptFull :
- case "duplicateFile" added
- getASDestKind added to check destination's kind (folder or disk) (earlier
could not copy to "/powerBook HD" for instance)

3. TO DO :
- revPathtoApplescript : should take care of aliasses?? (if an alias is in the
path, should it be resolved ?) 
- the test  if the "Desktop Folder" is in pPath should be changed if running
under macOS 9.2 Classic (under Mac OS X)
   (AppleScript's pathname should not stop at "desktop Folder" (only under
'pure' OS 9), but should place it in the real path structure under OSX.  Maybe
this is solved when previous "todo" is done because desktop folder is an alias

Here my scripts.  Please comment...

on revCopyFile pSrcFile, pDestination
  set the itemDel to "/"
  put last item of pSrcFile into lSrcFName
  -- "/powerBook HD" is not a folder, "/Powerbook HD/" is a folder
  if the number of items of pDestination = 2 and last char of pDestination <>
"/" then put "/" after pDestination
  if there is a folder pDestination then
    if last char of pDestination <> "/" then put "/" after pDestination
    put lSrcFName after pDestination
  end if
  if pDestination = pSrcFile then return "Execution error : source file and
destination file are identical !"
  put (item 1 to -2 of pSrcFile)&"/" into lSrcFldr
  put (item 1 to -2 of pDestination)&"/" into lDestFldr
  put last item of pDestination into lDesFName
  if there is not a folder lDestFldr then
    return "Execution error : invalid destination folder !"
  end if
  -- make it consistent to UNIX "cp -f ..."
  if there is a file pDestination then delete file pDestination
  if the platform is "MacOS" then
    if "applescript" is in the alternateLanguages then
      if lSrcFldr = lDestFldr then
        do revAppleScriptFull(duplicateFile,pSrcFile,lDestFldr) as applescript
        if "error" is not in the result then
          do "tell application" && quote & "Finder" & quote & cr & tab & "set
the name of" && the result && "to" && quote & lDesFName & quote && cr & "end
tell" as applescript
        end if
      else
        do revAppleScriptFull(copyFile,pSrcFile,lDestFldr) as applescript
        if "execution error" is not in the result then
          if lSrcFName <> lDesFName then
            rename file (lDestFldr & lSrcFName) to pDestination
          end if
        end if
      end if
    else return "Error: AppleScript not installed"
  else if the platform is "Win32" then
    revSetWindowsShellCommand
    get shell ("copy" && revWindowsFromUnixPath(quote&pSrcFile&quote) &&
revWindowsFromUnixPath(quote&pDestination&quote))
  else
    get shell ("cp -f" && quote&pSrcFile&quote && quote&pDestination&quote)
  end if
  return the result
end revCopyFile

function getASDestKind pPath
  set the itemDel to "/"
  if the number of items of pPath = 2 then get "disk"
  else get "folder"
  return it
end getASDestKind

function revApplescriptFull pfunction,pSrc,pDest
  switch pfunction
  case "deleteFolder"
    put "tell application" && quote & "Finder" & quote & cr & tab & "delete
folder" && revPathtoApplescript(pSrc) && cr & "end tell" into tApplescriptfull
    exit switch
  case "copyFolder"
    put getASDestKind(pDest) into lKind
    put "tell application" && quote & "Finder" & quote & cr & tab & "copy
folder" && revPathtoApplescript(pSrc) && "to "&lKind &&
revPathtoApplescript(pDest) && cr & "end tell" into tApplescriptfull
    exit switch
  case "copyFile"
    put getASDestKind(pDest) into lKind
    put "tell application" && quote & "Finder" & quote & cr & tab & "copy file"
&& revPathtoApplescript(pSrc) && "to "&lKind && revPathtoApplescript(pDest) &&
cr & "end tell" into tApplescriptfull
    exit switch
  case "duplicateFile"
    put "tell application" && quote & "Finder" & quote & cr & tab & "duplicate
file" && revPathtoApplescript(pSrc) && cr & "end tell" into tApplescriptfull
    exit switch
  case "moveFolder"
    put getASDestKind(pDest) into lKind
    put "tell application" && quote & "Finder" & quote & cr & tab & "move
folder" && revPathtoApplescript(pSrc) && "to "&lKind &&
revPathtoApplescript(pDest) && cr & "end tell" into tApplescriptfull
    exit switch
  end switch
  return tApplescriptfull
end revApplescriptFull

Jan



From JacksHyperInfo at aol.com  Fri Apr 12 11:41:01 2002
From: JacksHyperInfo at aol.com (JacksHyperInfo at aol.com)
Date: Fri Apr 12 11:41:01 2002
Subject: Cross-platform question
Message-ID: <9c.1e429996.29e85074@aol.com>

I built a stack with a substack in windows 98 using Rev 1.0- I e-mailed the 
file to my imac 9.2 and opened it with Rev. 1.1-It opens but when I try to 
work on the file it crashes with a type 3 error message.   What am I doing 
wrong?

Thanks for the help
Jack


From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Fri Apr 12 12:20:01 2002
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Fri Apr 12 12:20:01 2002
Subject: popUp btn
Message-ID: <p05100300b8dcc5e68fec@[10.0.1.201]>

Hi,


I made a btn with a popUp menu with menuItems and submenu items

one
two
	oneofTwo
	twoofTwo
three
four
	oneoffour
	twooffour


when i choose a menuItem (one or three)
the selectedText return the chosen one

when I choose a subMenuItem (oneofTwo,...)
the selectedText is empty ?????

What's wrong ?
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be
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From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Apr 12 12:31:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri Apr 12 12:31:01 2002
Subject: Using MC 2.4.2
In-Reply-To: <004401c1e1e4$1ad3dd50$e90e48a6@mckinley.dom>
Message-ID: <181F0392-4E2E-11D6-BDF6-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 11:36 PM, Ken Ray wrote:

> One thing I forgot... you need to use MC 2.4.2 in order to use 
> this code.

I've seen comments like the one above on this list.

How do I "use MC 2.4.2"?

I guess I could drop stacks made with Revolution on the app and see 
how they work for that version of MC.

Can I make a standalone with the latest MC that runs the Revolution 
development environment?  (Using a dummy top stack or something.)  
Would I want to?  I assume there may be some incompatibilities and 
my license may not work.

Can I go back and forth between an MC development environment and 
the Revolution development environment when working on a stack?  
(Are there some custom properties in Revolution stacks that I don't 
know about?)

Dar Scott





From fuegox at mac.com  Fri Apr 12 12:41:01 2002
From: fuegox at mac.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Fri Apr 12 12:41:01 2002
Subject: OS X Icons
In-Reply-To: <200204121609.MAA01490@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <ED7D0504-4E3B-11D6-9B69-003065B78238@mac.com>

On Friday, April 12, 2002, at 09:09  AM, use-revolution-
request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> it's the transparancy issue that was giving me all the grief, nice to 
> see
> ResEdit still out there and doing it's jack-in-the-box stuff
>
> with all the freebee stuff out there the one I found how to use and of 
> most
> use was Icon machine lll (at $25.00) (ouch)(well I know it's not really
> ouch, but I only need to make 3 icons, so that's over $6.00 each)(bah!
> humbug), it's a neat program.
>
> thanks mark


You make the alpha mask in GC.  That will get you your transparency.



-Mark



From k_major at osnabrueck.netsurf.de  Fri Apr 12 12:54:01 2002
From: k_major at osnabrueck.netsurf.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri Apr 12 12:54:01 2002
Subject: popUp btn
In-Reply-To: <p05100300b8dcc5e68fec@[10.0.1.201]>
Message-ID: <D70F8500-4E3D-11D6-AAC5-000A27B49A96@osnabrueck.netsurf.de>

Bon soir mon ami :-)

> Hi,
>
> I made a btn with a popUp menu with menuItems and submenu items
> one
> two
> ???????oneofTwo
> ???????twoofTwo
> three
> four
> ??????oneoffour
> ??????twooffour
>
> when i choose a menuItem (one or three)
> the selectedText return the chosen one
> when I choose a subMenuItem (oneofTwo,...)
> the selectedText is empty ?????
> What's wrong ?

Did you insert a coin ?
Just kidding ;-)

Submenus are repesented like this in RR: two|oneofTwo

So you have to script something like:

on menupick quoi
  set the itemdel to "|" ## this is not a small L or capital i. it's the 
"vertical bar" alt-7 on a mac
  ### here a "switch...case" statement would be helpful or something like:
   if the number of items of quoi > 1 then
    ### do something with item 2 of quoi
   else
   ### do something with quoi
   end if
end menupick

Hint for all:
No need to reset the itemdelimiter !
That does the engine for us :-)


Hope this helps

Au revoir

Klaus Major
k_major at osnabrueck.netsurf.de



From troy at rpsystems.net  Fri Apr 12 13:13:01 2002
From: troy at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Fri Apr 12 13:13:01 2002
Subject: Cross-platform question
In-Reply-To: <9c.1e429996.29e85074@aol.com>
Message-ID: <658BC4AE-4E40-11D6-8BF1-000393853D6C@rpsystems.net>

On Friday, April 12, 2002, at 11:00 AM, JacksHyperInfo at aol.com wrote:

> I built a stack with a substack in windows 98 using Rev 1.0- I e-mailed 
> the
> file to my imac 9.2 and opened it with Rev. 1.1-It opens but when I try 
> to
> work on the file it crashes with a type 3 error message.   What am I 
> doing
> wrong?

This is a memory shortage error. In all likelihood your iMac does not 
have sufficient memory assigned to the Rev application.

--
Troy
RPSystems
www.rpsystems.net



From delay at pobox.com  Fri Apr 12 13:16:00 2002
From: delay at pobox.com (delay)
Date: Fri Apr 12 13:16:00 2002
Subject: Is revolution right for my project?
Message-ID: <012801c1e24d$edeebd90$2d9b9b3f@750laptop>

I am looking to develop a fairly advanced email application with builtin
spam filtering, etc.  I am new to desktop application programming and
looking at learning runtime revolution or realbasic most likely.  I
currently know perl and php, so I am not completely new to programming.

My question is... are there any components that deal with the smtp, pop3,
and imap protocols that can be used with runtime revolution. I was only able
to find this on the SMTP and POP3 protocols for revolution.
http://dark.unitz.ca/~shaosean/  It looks like he is still working on
them...  Has anyone developed these protocols?  I wasn't really looking to
do the low level part of the programming dealing with the sockets themselves
as this would probably take me longer than the program itself...  However if
I did decide to work on this... Is there aywhere I could look for
information on developing these?

In general I like the programming environment of revolution and I definitely
like the fact that the application can be built for multiple platforms.  I
also like the fact that it can make use of regular expressions.  Which is a
big part of perl and I would need for many features I intend to implement...
Can my application be developed with runtime revolution or would I be better
looking at a different solution?

Also is there any information on the speed in which revolution can process
info with regular expressions?  I guess I could write something in perl and
then write it in revolution and test the speeds but I was wondering if
anyone had already done this?  Also once an application is developed in
general is the compiled program faster in revolution or realbasic?  Sorry
for all the newbie questions....

Thanks for any info,
-Delay




From JacksHyperInfo at aol.com  Fri Apr 12 13:37:01 2002
From: JacksHyperInfo at aol.com (JacksHyperInfo at aol.com)
Date: Fri Apr 12 13:37:01 2002
Subject: Cross-platform question
Message-ID: <69.255f4dcd.29e8825b@aol.com>

In a message dated 4/12/02 2:11:32 PM, troy at rpsystems.net writes:

<< n Friday, April 12, 2002, at 11:00 AM, JacksHyperInfo at aol.com wrote:

> I built a stack with a substack in windows 98 using Rev 1.0- I e-mailed 
> the
> file to my imac 9.2 and opened it with Rev. 1.1-It opens but when I try 
> to
> work on the file it crashes with a type 3 error message.   What am I 
> doing
> wrong?

This is a memory shortage error. In all likelihood your iMac does not 
have sufficient memory assigned to the Rev application.

--
Troy
RPSystems
www.rpsystems.net
 >>

Thanks for the info-i increased the memory to 20000k and still got the same 
behavior-What's my next step/

Jack


From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Fri Apr 12 14:09:01 2002
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (Ludovic Th=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=E9?=bault)
Date: Fri Apr 12 14:09:01 2002
Subject: Convert PICT object into graphic object ?
Message-ID: <20020412210344.4668FC%00000000@laposte.net>

Hello,

I've a PICT image (with vector not bitmap) with many "objects" (like
polygon..).
I want to transform each object in a Rev graphic, to change their
attributes with a script.

It is possible, or i need to redraw all ?

-- 
Ludovic THEBAULT
(Sorry for my poooor english :-)


From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Fri Apr 12 14:11:01 2002
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Fri Apr 12 14:11:01 2002
Subject: return key
Message-ID: <p05100300b8dcdf6f8fa2@[10.0.1.201]>

Hi,

I have a fld which locktext is false.
The fld has "move to next fld when return/tab key is pressed" is checked.
At the side of the fld, a btn "OK" with "auto-click when return/enter 
key is pressed" is checked.


I'd like the user type one only line in the fld, then hit the return 
key to activate the OK btn.

How to proceed ?
when I hit the return key, the fld is no more selected but hte OK btn 
is not hitted.
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Apr 12 14:26:01 2002
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri Apr 12 14:26:01 2002
Subject: Using MC 2.4.2
References: <181F0392-4E2E-11D6-BDF6-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <00d401c1e256$ebc44d60$e90e48a6@mckinley.dom>

Dar,

Sorry about that comment. I sometimes forget what list I'm on. ;-)

If you have both MC and Rev, you can take Rev stacks, change the extension
to ".mc" and open them in MetaCard, and vice-versa. Of course, you will only
be able to use the development environment of the program you're using, but
at least you can do it.

If you don't have both, and only have Rev, you'll need to wait until Rev is
upgraded to use the 2.4.2 engine. You can tell what version of the engine
Rev uses by opening the Message Box and typing "put the version", and
hitting Return/Enter. Rev 1.1.1 uses MC 2.4.1; the next version of Rev will
most likely use MC 2.4.2 as the engine, which is currently in "gamma" (or
"release candidate") form.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dar Scott" <dsc at swcp.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 10:58 AM
Subject: Using MC 2.4.2


>
> On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 11:36 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
>
> > One thing I forgot... you need to use MC 2.4.2 in order to use
> > this code.
>
> I've seen comments like the one above on this list.
>
> How do I "use MC 2.4.2"?
>
> I guess I could drop stacks made with Revolution on the app and see
> how they work for that version of MC.
>
> Can I make a standalone with the latest MC that runs the Revolution
> development environment?  (Using a dummy top stack or something.)
> Would I want to?  I assume there may be some incompatibilities and
> my license may not work.
>
> Can I go back and forth between an MC development environment and
> the Revolution development environment when working on a stack?
> (Are there some custom properties in Revolution stacks that I don't
> know about?)
>
> Dar Scott
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Fri Apr 12 15:16:00 2002
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Fri Apr 12 15:16:00 2002
Subject: Reports - one more time
In-Reply-To: <a05101506b8dc8bc71011@[207.13.30.31]>
References: <C134F7B2-4DAC-11D6-87F5-000393598038@mac.com>
 <a05101506b8dc8bc71011@[207.13.30.31]>
Message-ID: <p05100300b8dca6625478@[10.0.1.202]>

>Nine to Five Software made a fantastic report generating tool for 
>HyperCard, called Reports Datapro. I don't know if they're still in 
>business, but a tool similar to that would be great for Revolution.
>
>Reports had a section-oriented layout tool, with sections for break 
>summaries, sub-summaries, grand summaries, headers, footers, and a 
>main body. It had a sort and select tool which acted on a HyperCard 
>stack in a way similar to flat file databases. The report generation 
>could be controlled by scripts, and as the report generated, 
>messages flowed up the message hierarchy to provide strong scripted 
>control of report generation. It was a nice tool.
>
>Unfortunately, report generation was a tiny sub-nice market in the 
>already small market of HyperCard developers. I doubt Nine to Five 
>software made much money on their product. If anyone wanted to 
>create a similar product for Revolution, they'd face a similar 
>financial obstacle.
>

I'd like to say that royal software made something more easier and 
wider in use than datapro and the name was : printreport. That was a 
brilliant external. I dream of something like that for revolution...
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From JAMES.G.YATES at saic.com  Fri Apr 12 15:20:01 2002
From: JAMES.G.YATES at saic.com (Yates, Glen)
Date: Fri Apr 12 15:20:01 2002
Subject: return key
Message-ID: <33F0B58BF432D211B72200805FEFAAD905A64F7D@hun-its-exs01.saic.com>

> -----Original Message-----
> From: yves COPPE [mailto:yvescoppe at skynet.be]
> Hi,
> 
> I have a fld which locktext is false.
> The fld has "move to next fld when return/tab key is pressed" 
> is checked.
> At the side of the fld, a btn "OK" with "auto-click when return/enter 
> key is pressed" is checked.
> 
> 
> I'd like the user type one only line in the fld, then hit the return 
> key to activate the OK btn.

	on enterInField
	  send mouseUp to button "OK"
	end enterInField

	on returnInField
	  send enterInField to me
	end returnInField


That should do it.

-Glen Yates


From JacksHyperInfo at aol.com  Fri Apr 12 15:39:01 2002
From: JacksHyperInfo at aol.com (JacksHyperInfo at aol.com)
Date: Fri Apr 12 15:39:01 2002
Subject: Rev Classic Crashing
Message-ID: <6a.1e451b54.29e89f09@aol.com>

Rev 1.1 Mac version is crashing regularly.  What should the memory allocation 
be for the rev. application?  

Jack



From chipp at chipp.com  Fri Apr 12 15:48:01 2002
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Fri Apr 12 15:48:01 2002
Subject: Using MC 2.4.2
In-Reply-To: <181F0392-4E2E-11D6-BDF6-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <MPELJJGBBDPBNCHJHAOOEEKCCGAA.chipp@chipp.com>

Hi Dar,

I've successfully run RR using the MC engine. (Copy the mc.exe into the rev
folder and change it's name to Revolution.exe). I believe you should have a
license for both RR and MC in order to do this ---- but there are some
problems.

I have found that sometimes RR won't do a successful BUILD when the MC
engine is installed. I forget the error code, but I remember "incompatible
engine installed" or something like it. So, it's okay for playing around on,
but I don't think I'd use it in production unless you can reliably do
distribution builds.

Also, to my knowledge, neither MC nor RR support this -- so if you've got
bugs you'll have a hard time with support --not to mention: How do you know
where the bug is?

I've got the Corral Plugin at
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/RunRev/Plugins.htm which puts the
versions and data in the msg box -- pretty handy because RR doens't do it in
the About screen.

After playing around with different engines, I found enough problems to
encourage me to stay with the mc.exe using MC and revolution.exe using RR.

-Chipp

> -----Original Message-----
> From: use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com
> [mailto:use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Dar Scott
> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 10:58 AM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Using MC 2.4.2
>
>
>
> On Thursday, April 11, 2002, at 11:36 PM, Ken Ray wrote:
>
> > One thing I forgot... you need to use MC 2.4.2 in order to use
> > this code.
>
> I've seen comments like the one above on this list.
>
> How do I "use MC 2.4.2"?
>
> I guess I could drop stacks made with Revolution on the app and see
> how they work for that version of MC.
>
> Can I make a standalone with the latest MC that runs the Revolution
> development environment?  (Using a dummy top stack or something.)
> Would I want to?  I assume there may be some incompatibilities and
> my license may not work.
>
> Can I go back and forth between an MC development environment and
> the Revolution development environment when working on a stack?
> (Are there some custom properties in Revolution stacks that I don't
> know about?)
>
> Dar Scott
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From tbandi at swissonline.ch  Fri Apr 12 15:50:02 2002
From: tbandi at swissonline.ch (Till Bandi)
Date: Fri Apr 12 15:50:02 2002
Subject: Reports - one more time
In-Reply-To: <a05101506b8dc8bc71011@[207.13.30.31]>
Message-ID: <29155058-4E56-11D6-B876-003065C286B0@swissonline.ch>

I miss Reports Datapro very much!
I did hope that Tuviah Snyders  MetaCard Report Generator would allow us 
to have similar possibilities. At the time I tried it, but it did not 
work for me and since then I hoped there would be a new version. But 
there was never any further information if the beta test has finished or 
why there was no news about it. The link still exists but I was not able 
to download the stack anymore. 
(http://www.xworlds.com/metacard/contributors/mcrg.htm).
Maybe Tuviah is listening and can give us more information?

Till

Am Freitag den, 12. April 2002, um 15:23, schrieb Brad Allen:

> Nine to Five Software made a fantastic report generating tool for 
> HyperCard, called Reports Datapro. I don't know if they're still in 
> business, but a tool similar to that would be great for Revolution.
>
> Reports had a section-oriented layout tool, with sections for break 
> summaries, sub-summaries, grand summaries, headers, footers, and a main 
> body. It had a sort and select tool which acted on a HyperCard stack in 
> a way similar to flat file databases. The report generation could be 
> controlled by scripts, and as the report generated, messages flowed up 
> the message hierarchy to provide strong scripted control of report 
> generation. It was a nice tool.
>
> Unfortunately, report generation was a tiny sub-nice market in the 
> already small market of HyperCard developers. I doubt Nine to Five 
> software made much money on their product. If anyone wanted to create a 
> similar product for Revolution, they'd face a similar financial 
> obstacle.
>
> However, since Rev can communicate with external databases, the 
> reporting tools for those databases are available to Rev.
>
>
> -- _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>
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From troy at rpsystems.net  Fri Apr 12 15:53:01 2002
From: troy at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Fri Apr 12 15:53:01 2002
Subject: Rev Classic Crashing
In-Reply-To: <6a.1e451b54.29e89f09@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CC91E4D0-4E56-11D6-8BF1-000393853D6C@rpsystems.net>

On Friday, April 12, 2002, at 04:35 PM, JacksHyperInfo at aol.com wrote:

> Rev 1.1 Mac version is crashing regularly.  What should the memory 
> allocation
> be for the rev. application?

The editing environment is rather heavy on memory. I use about 60 megs 
when working in OS9.

--
Troy
RPSystems
www.rpsystems.net



From Fred_D_Yocum at mail.mcc.org  Fri Apr 12 16:00:00 2002
From: Fred_D_Yocum at mail.mcc.org (Fred_D_Yocum at mail.mcc.org)
Date: Fri Apr 12 16:00:00 2002
Subject: Newbie Font and Quicktime questions
Message-ID: <85256B99.004DEC2D.00@mail.mcc.org>

So, I am finally cracking my nuckles and (after about six weeks of reading posts
and going through tutorials getting down to the business of building something I
have two questions

Fonts - In the font menu is the option "Use Owners font" I am assuming that this
is like the object/stack structure with the reference going up (or down) the
branches until it reaches ? Where is the first referencing of the font
attribute?  I can specify any of the fonts that are on my system but since this
is an application that is going to be distributed over all Mac/Win.Linux systems
I should probably stick to? If this were web design I could use list
"Helevetica, Arial, sans-serif", is this handled in the Profile Manager (the one
tutorial I have yet to do)?

Quicktime
I can use quicktime effects and display movies in cards. I the quick time
functionality embedded in the distributed application or am I going to have to
ensure that the user has Quicktime installed on their system?

many thanks, FDYocum




From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Apr 12 16:33:05 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri Apr 12 16:33:05 2002
Subject: Using MC 2.4.2
In-Reply-To: <MPELJJGBBDPBNCHJHAOOEEKCCGAA.chipp@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <A2C70D7E-4E5B-11D6-8196-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Friday, April 12, 2002, at 02:44 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> After playing around with different engines, I found enough problems to
> encourage me to stay with the mc.exe using MC and revolution.exe 
> using RR.

I'll follow your lead.  That sounds like a good idea.

Dar Scott



From dsc at swcp.com  Fri Apr 12 17:45:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Fri Apr 12 17:45:01 2002
Subject: Dev Project
In-Reply-To: <B8DC59B8.591%steve@messimercomputing.com>
Message-ID: <5F8C5C30-4E23-11D6-BDF6-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Friday, April 12, 2002, at 07:30 AM, Steve Messimer wrote:

>> I want it to act like browse even though pointer (edit) is selected.
>
> Not sure what you mean here.

 From looking at topStack as you suggested below and then 
discovering mode, I realize that what I probably want is a stack 
whose mode is not 1.

Mark suggested setting the style to palette.  If I set it to 
palette, can I ever change it again?

One way to make the mode not 1 I discovered from the docs is to 
have cantModify set to true.  Is that a one-way operation?  Will I 
be able to set it to false?

>> I want to know which card and stack I'm working on.
>
> If you create a plug-in you can always get the name of the 
> topStack and the
> name or ID of the current card.
>
> example:
>
> put the short name of topStack into fld "objStackName"
...

Do I need to check that the mode of the topStack is 1?

>
>>
>> I want to make sure I don't fool with rev stacks.
>
>
> It sounds like you need to make a plug-in.  This isn't well 
> documented but
> is relatively easy to do. Basically you create a stack and drop it 
> in the
> plug-ins folder.

Can I assume the mode of a rev stack is never 1?

A plugin sounds cool.

>
>> I might want to change the text in the rev script edit field.
>
> Do you mean that you want to change one object's script via an event
> executed in another Object (eg a btn click )

I want to insert text while editing the script.  So, I want to know 
the, uh, path or long name of the field of the rev script editor.  
And I need to know whether that is discouraged or frowned upon.

I'd rather not make my own script editor.

Dar Scott




From kurtkaufman at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 12 18:45:01 2002
From: kurtkaufman at hotmail.com (Kurt Kaufman)
Date: Fri Apr 12 18:45:01 2002
Subject: Text-To-Speech/Mac OS X
Message-ID: <F99EpjwGXSXCWV8S0g9000005d5@hotmail.com>

Does anyone know of an external that will allow R.R. access to 
text-to-speech on Mac OS X?
Thanks, Kurt

_________________________________________________________________
Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com



From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Fri Apr 12 20:19:01 2002
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Fri Apr 12 20:19:01 2002
Subject: Rev Classic Crashing
In-Reply-To: <CC91E4D0-4E56-11D6-8BF1-000393853D6C@rpsystems.net>
References: <CC91E4D0-4E56-11D6-8BF1-000393853D6C@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <a05100314b8dd35342cdb@[206.117.139.34]>

At 4:49 PM -0400 4/12/02, Troy Rollins wrote:
>On Friday, April 12, 2002, at 04:35 PM, JacksHyperInfo at aol.com wrote:
>
>> Rev 1.1 Mac version is crashing regularly.  What should the memory allocation
>> be for the rev. application?
>
>The editing environment is rather heavy on memory. I use about 60 megs when working in OS9.

This assumes you have enough free memory apart from the allocation to Revolution. You should always make sure to have free memory available for Revolution independent of the memory allocated to Revolution.

As a demonstration, set the allocation to the default (15,000) and run Revolution. Immediately switch to the Finder and select About This Computer on the Apple menu. You should see Revolution taking something in excess of 15,000 -- maybe 20,000 to 30,000, depending on circumstances. This is because Revolution (like many other apps on the Mac) allocates memory dynamically -- as dynamically as is possible on Mac OS 9.

Now do some work in Revolution. Open some projects. Play with some windows. Read the documentation. Do a tutorial. As you do these things, Revolution is allocating more memory to support those activities. You could see Revolution's allocation in the About This Computer dialog grow to as much as 60 or 70k, or possibly even more -- it depends on what you open and the requirements to open it.

The consequence of this is that it's critical for Revolution to have memory to allocate. If you assign too much to Revolution in the Get Info dialog, you are actually _taking memory away_ from Revolution, because it's not designed to take advantage of the extra you've assigned it, and there is less to grab dynamically.

If you run out of memory, Revolution will allocate until there is practically none left. What I see at that point is that the desktop takes forever to update. If I move a window, I'll see the desktop picture redraw bit by bit, and the icons on the desktop update individually. That's a sure sign that it's time to quit Revolution and start again. More memory in your computer prevents this.
-- 

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com



From JacksHyperInfo at aol.com  Fri Apr 12 21:37:00 2002
From: JacksHyperInfo at aol.com (JacksHyperInfo at aol.com)
Date: Fri Apr 12 21:37:00 2002
Subject: Rev Classic Crashing
Message-ID: <4a.9c7e1f2.29e8f2bb@aol.com>

Thanks fjor the explanation-i have 128 meg in the Imac and I have nothing 
else open-your right -it builds to 70meg-and if I edit a file it crashes!

Why does it run so smooth on windows and so marginal on the imac?

Is my answer to add another 128meg!

Exactly how would you set the get info box on rev?

Thanks again-I need to solve this quickly so I can build several 
applications!

Jack


From troy at rpsystems.net  Fri Apr 12 21:56:01 2002
From: troy at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Fri Apr 12 21:56:01 2002
Subject: Rev Classic Crashing
In-Reply-To: <4a.9c7e1f2.29e8f2bb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8983E412-4E89-11D6-B006-000393853D6C@rpsystems.net>

On Friday, April 12, 2002, at 10:32 PM, JacksHyperInfo at aol.com wrote:

> Thanks fjor the explanation-i have 128 meg in the Imac and I have 
> nothing
> else open-your right -it builds to 70meg-and if I edit a file it 
> crashes!
>
> Why does it run so smooth on windows and so marginal on the imac?

The iMac is not the problem so much as the OS. Rev rocks on OSX.

The Rev environment is a big hog. Not too much way around it, it does a 
lot, but needs some serious resources. Since Windows virtual memory is 
so much more sophisticated than that of OS9, you can get away with a lot 
less horsepower on a Win machine. On Mac OS9, you basically need "real" 
horsepower since the "virtual" is almost worthless.

Nothing makes OS9 run better than more physical RAM, and shutting off 
virtual memory altogether. It really is a case of the more RAM the 
better, and giving plenty to REV makes it pretty happy. Snappier to work 
with, reduced crashes, etc.

OS9 with 128 meg is pretty marginal for development work (sad but true, 
a Windows machine with 128 meg can fly. - note that I am writing this on 
my Mac.) 128 is OK for "home use", but as you start to get serious stuff 
running, you'll need more. Yes, I would say you may want to add some RAM 
to the iMac.


--
Troy
RPSystems
www.rpsystems.net



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Fri Apr 12 22:15:00 2002
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Fri Apr 12 22:15:00 2002
Subject: New registry keys
In-Reply-To: <9306EF45-4E10-11D6-BDF6-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <B8DCEFDC.5ED6%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Dar Scott wrote:

> Will setRegistry() automatically make keys?
> 
> (This is one area where I'd rather not experiment.)

Yes.  And experimenting is fine.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director

Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
Email: scott at tactilemedia.com
Web: www.tactilemedia.com



From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Fri Apr 12 23:48:01 2002
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Fri Apr 12 23:48:01 2002
Subject: Rev Classic Crashing
In-Reply-To: <4a.9c7e1f2.29e8f2bb@aol.com>
References: <4a.9c7e1f2.29e8f2bb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <a05100300b8dd608fffba@[188.9.94.76]>

At 10:32 PM -0400 4/12/02, JacksHyperInfo at aol.com wrote:
>Thanks fjor the explanation-i have 128 meg in the Imac and I have nothing 
>else open-your right -it builds to 70meg-and if I edit a file it crashes!
>
>Why does it run so smooth on windows and so marginal on the imac?

Others have answered the Windows vs. Mac issue pretty accurately, but I run Revolution on a 128MB PowerBook with OS 9 with virtually no problems, so the goal is to figure out what the difference is. Can you give us some more details on what you're doing that leads to crashes?
-- 

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com


From dk42 at mac.com  Sat Apr 13 00:30:01 2002
From: dk42 at mac.com (David Kwinter)
Date: Sat Apr 13 00:30:01 2002
Subject: Cross-platform XCMDs?
Message-ID: <039BB9C4-4E9F-11D6-B250-003065C7D368@mac.com>

Thanks for the many suggestions with my recent bugs, this one however 
may be of a trickier variety.

I'm trying to make an XCMD to read the headers out of Auto-Cad standard 
.DWG files and return them as simple, delimited data.

I'm using the source code of a simple example C program - 
http://www.OpenDWG.org/ - and learning along the way - putting it into 
the shell XCMD I found in the XCMD cookbook - 
http://www.mactech.com/articles/mactech/Vol.04/04.06/XCMDCookBook/

In the code the top line of the following chunk confuses me. Is it 
possible to make a cross platform external? Does anyone know if I need 
to work with OpenDWG's C code for their Windows example program instead?

#define exampleprintf printf  /* defined as something else for Windows 
pgms */

#include "prnstuff.h"      /* this file contains routines for printing 
out */
                            /* various info being read to verify that 
the */
                            /* program is working */

#include "odio.h"

I don't see many external issues on this list, but I think this problem 
could provide some fundamental info for all. Thanks for any help.

David Kwinter
(Proud New Revolution Developer) - btw, I'd contribute more these day 
but I've been having exams.



From BradAllen at mac.com  Sat Apr 13 00:38:01 2002
From: BradAllen at mac.com (Brad Allen)
Date: Sat Apr 13 00:38:01 2002
Subject: Reports - one more time
In-Reply-To: <a05101506b8dc8bc71011@[207.13.30.31]>
References: <C134F7B2-4DAC-11D6-87F5-000393598038@mac.com>
 <a05101506b8dc8bc71011@[207.13.30.31]>
Message-ID: <a05101508b8dd72591a59@[207.13.30.31]>

>Unfortunately, report generation was a tiny sub-nice market in the 
>already small market of

Oops. That's an unfortunate typo. I meant to say "sub-niche", not "sub-nice."
-- 


From BradAllen at mac.com  Sat Apr 13 00:38:09 2002
From: BradAllen at mac.com (Brad Allen)
Date: Sat Apr 13 00:38:09 2002
Subject: Rev Classic Crashing
In-Reply-To: <a05100314b8dd35342cdb@[206.117.139.34]>
References: <CC91E4D0-4E56-11D6-8BF1-000393853D6C@rpsystems.net>
 <a05100314b8dd35342cdb@[206.117.139.34]>
Message-ID: <a05101509b8dd7318472c@[207.13.30.31]>

>As a demonstration, set the allocation to the default (15,000) and 
>run Revolution. Immediately switch to the Finder and select About 
>This Computer on the Apple menu. You should see Revolution taking 
>something in excess of 15,000 -- maybe 20,000 to 30,000, depending 
>on circumstances. This is because Revolution (like many other apps 
>on the Mac) allocates memory dynamically -- as dynamically as is 
>possible on Mac OS 9.

Most other apps that use dynamic memory add to the system heap size. 
Rev's behavior is very unusual for a Mac app, at least in the way it 
increases its own RAM allocation rather than adding to the size of 
the system heap. I've never seen another Mac app do that.
-- 


From diskot123 at juno.com  Sat Apr 13 01:12:01 2002
From: diskot123 at juno.com (diskot123 at juno.com)
Date: Sat Apr 13 01:12:01 2002
Subject: use-revolution digest, Vol 1 #334 - 13 msgs
Message-ID: <20020413.020648.364.26.diskot123@juno.com>

>Frankly, I strongly believe that Julian dates should be the internal 
>format since that would provide us with a standard time measure that is 
>truly standard across all systems.
You can find this stuff all over the web. If you know a little JavaScript
you can convert the code from

http://www.bdl.fr/julianday_eng.html or
http://www.geocities.com/s_perona/ingles/juliano.htm

to Transcript. I agree that julian dates are more accurate..as it works
for all dates, but to get the correct julian day you need to convert
local time to universal time..which requires the longitude of the current
location...and then you need to adjust for daylight savings time:-)

Tuviah


From preid at reidit.co.uk  Sat Apr 13 03:53:01 2002
From: preid at reidit.co.uk (Peter Reid)
Date: Sat Apr 13 03:53:01 2002
Subject: COM Port Handshaking
In-Reply-To: <D8877A36-4E1C-11D6-BDF6-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
References: <D8877A36-4E1C-11D6-BDF6-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <p05100302b8dd9b3365f5@[192.168.181.1]>

>On Friday, April 12, 2002, at 06:32 AM, Peter Reid wrote:
>
>>Can someone tell how to set up a PC COM port for hardware or 
>>software handshaking.  Any other advice or examples of COM port 
>>working would be appreciated.
>>
>The device on the other end needs to understand the handshake. 
>Check your manual for that.  Also, if you use hardware handshaking, 
>then the cable needs to be wired for it.  The recommended cable for 
>the equipment might also provide a clue as to handshaking.

The cable is fully wired (8 lines + earthing) to support hardware 
handshaking.  Unfortunately the equipment is rather old, the manual 
rather thin on detail and no longer supported by the current 
manufacturer.  So I can't get any more detail from the original 
suppliers.  The comms settings on the equipment's physical control 
panel doesn't mention xon/xoff or any form of handshaking, just baud, 
word length (7/8 bit), stop bits & parity, line ending (CR/CR+LF), 
duplex (half/full).

>Use the serialControlString property to set up handshaking before 
>opening the COM port.
>
>For software handshaking, include "xon=on" in your string.
>
>For hardware handshaking, use one of the hardware control 
>substrings.  I have not used these yet, but the doc says it is the 
>same as the the string for the mode command in Windows.  The 
>documentation for that is slightly different in important ways.  I 
>suspect you want "rts=hs", but I'm just guessing.  I'd be pleased to 
>learn what you find out.

I've been experimenting with these, but find that sometimes only part 
of the command is received by the equipment.  All commands are 3 
character codes with optional numeric parameters. All commands are in 
7-bit ASCII.

>Some equipment cannot talk and walk at the same time.  For some you 
>should not send a command until you have the complete response from 
>the previous command.  Also, some equipment will send unsolicited 
>information and that might confuse your code.  In this case set up 
>response handling to be always on and independent of commands.

What I'm not sure of is the correct handshaking protocol and how I do 
this in Rev. How do I use CTS, DTR etc. assuming that these lines are 
being used (which the equipment manual implies that they are). Are 
there any messages associated with the COM ports that I can trigger 
on or wait on?

>ASCII data?  If the response might includes nulls, remove or change 
>those before putting the response into a field.  Also, you might 
>need to do some end-of-line transformations.

Yep, happy with this.

>Before you get too far into handshaking, you might want to look at 
>your scripts with an eye on timing.

Yep, happy with this issue as well

>Dar Scott

Thanks Dar for the feedback
-- 
Peter Reid
Reid-IT Limited, Loughborough, Leics., UK
Tel: +44 (0)1509 268843 Fax: +44 (0)870 052 7576
E-mail: preid at reidit.co.uk
Web: http://www.reidit.co.uk


From bvischer at datacomm.ch  Sat Apr 13 04:16:01 2002
From: bvischer at datacomm.ch (Bernhard Vischer)
Date: Sat Apr 13 04:16:01 2002
Subject: Reports DataPRO
Message-ID: <B8DDC44A.D83%bvischer@datacomm.ch>

The report generating tool, Reports DataPRO, mentioned by Brad Allen, is
marketed by Roval Software

http://www.royalsoftware.com/descriptions/

Bernhard Vischer



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From pixelbird at interisland.net  Sat Apr 13 04:52:01 2002
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Sat Apr 13 04:52:01 2002
Subject: Text-To-Speech/Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <F99EpjwGXSXCWV8S0g9000005d5@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <B8DD4E28.2E2E%pixelbird@interisland.net>

on 4/12/02 11:40 PM, Kurt Kaufman at kurtkaufman at hotmail.com wrote:

> Does anyone know of an external that will allow R.R. access to
> text-to-speech on Mac OS X?
> Thanks, Kurt
----------
I'm also extremely interested in this as well as Windows.

Ken N.



From dsc at swcp.com  Sat Apr 13 05:30:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sat Apr 13 05:30:01 2002
Subject: COM Port Handshaking
In-Reply-To: <p05100302b8dd9b3365f5@[192.168.181.1]>
Message-ID: <21468594-4EC8-11D6-BB46-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Saturday, April 13, 2002, at 02:49 AM, Peter Reid wrote:

> I've been experimenting with these, but find that sometimes only 
> part of the command is received by the equipment.  All commands 
> are 3 character codes with optional numeric parameters. All 
> commands are in 7-bit ASCII.

You mean something like this?

RD%23,19,0,0<cr>

I'm surprised that this is a problem.  Hmmm.  It may be the 
software is processing characters as they come in and doing the 
math for numeric parameters as they come in.  If the 
microcontroller has no UART, the software may be shifting data in 
itself.  If that is the case, the controller has only a short time 
to process each byte.

Try setting the stop bits to 2.

Try typing in commands from HyperTerminal with or without hardware 
handshaking.  I think "hardware handshaking" on it is RTS-CTS.  In 
any case, make sure the thing works with slow typing.  If not, then 
handshaking will not help.


> What I'm not sure of is the correct handshaking protocol and how I 
> do this in Rev. How do I use CTS, DTR etc. assuming that these 
> lines are being used (which the equipment manual implies that they 
> are). Are there any messages associated with the COM ports that I 
> can trigger on or wait on?

It is set when you open.  The serial driver will take care of the 
handshaking.  You don't have to do anything.  Just keep the device 
open.  However, you may need to wait until you get a complete 
response before you send another command, depending on the 
equipment.

The handshake lines were defined for terminal modem connections and 
equipment makers use them in inconsistent ways.

The Revolution docs don't exactly match the mode docs.  Also, the 
meaning may not be clear.  In some cases "on" means always on while 
the com port is open.  In some cases it means it is used as a 
handshake.  Look at the mode docs.  Here is my summary of mode:

octs=on      The computer looks at the CTS line (input) to control 
data output.
odsr=on      The computer looks at the DSR line (input) to control 
output.
dtr=on/off   The computer sets the DTR line (output) to the fixed value.
dtr=hs       The computer flips the DTR line as needed to control 
data input.
rts=on/off/hs    Like DTR
rts=tg       Use for RS485 control; RTS is on only then transmitting
idsr=on      Ignore input characters that come in while DSR 
(input=power on) is off.

Typical settings are octs=on rts=hs.

(Some codes are not in the Revolution docs.  It may be they don't 
apply to Macs or are ignored in all cases.)

If you still have trouble...

If you are using 3.1 or 95, upgrade.  Some old serial drivers get 
confused when handshake lines flip too fast.

Put in delays in your output scripts.

Scope on the handshake and data lines.

Dar Scott



From jeanne at runrev.com  Sat Apr 13 05:49:08 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Sat Apr 13 05:49:08 2002
Subject: Check-box & radio button
In-Reply-To: <20020411060115.89312.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <v03130324b8dd355c5920@[216.99.192.102]>

At 11:01 PM -0700 4/10/2002, Steve L wrote:
>How can you set up a check-box or radio type button to
>retain it's selection status (selected or deselected),
>so that when you reopen the stack it will show the
>saved selection status.

If you're saving the stack, the highlight state will be retained and will
still be there when you re-open it. If you're not saving the stack (for
example, if it's a standalone, which can't be saved), you'll need to save
the information somewhere - in a file, in another stack, etc. - and then
restore it when you open the stack.

If you can give more info I may be able to get more specific with an
example handler.

>On a field, I know that you script:
>
>on closefield
>Set the udirty to true
>end closefield

I suspect you got this from the Employee Database example, but this isn't
exactly what's going on. The Employee Database asks you whether to save
changes when you close the stack. To do this, it needs to figure out
whether there are changes that need to be saved. When a field's text is
changed, it sets the uDirty of the stack to true; then when you close the
stack, the closeStack handler checks whether the uDirty property is set to
true, and if it is, the handler knows there are changes that need to be
saved.

But this is all scripted behavior, and is specific to the Employee
Database. The uDirty is a custom property used by those scripts, and could
be called anything. It's not automatic.

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From jeanne at runrev.com  Sat Apr 13 05:49:29 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Sat Apr 13 05:49:29 2002
Subject: Custom property settings--narrow field
In-Reply-To: <20020410161035.86973.qmail@web20305.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20020410054949.38511.qmail@web11908.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <v03130325b8dd36c8ae80@[216.99.192.102]>

At 9:10 AM -0700 4/10/2002, Steve L wrote:
>When you enter the content of the new custom property
>in the field below the tables, the field is so narrow
>that the script entered is wrapped every few words,
>does this mess up the scripting format so that it is
>inoperable?

No. Script lines are logical lines, not screen lines - that is, Revolution
considers a script line to end when there's a return character. Word-wrap
in a narrow field does not affect this - it only affects appearance, it
doesn't add return characters.

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From jeanne at runrev.com  Sat Apr 13 05:49:50 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Sat Apr 13 05:49:50 2002
Subject: Revolution and Internet Applications
In-Reply-To: <a05101503b8d6ea37686a@[63.205.23.218]>
References: <B8D6E79D.6539%iansummerfield@btconnect.com>
 <B8D6E79D.6539%iansummerfield@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <v03130329b8dd3f70b752@[216.99.192.102]>

At 12:09 AM -0700 4/8/2002, Dan Shafer wrote:
>Beyond that, general Internet support seems to be lacking.  Of
>course, there could be more than meets the eye; without a manual,
>it's hard to say. The scripting dictionary is useful, but there's no
>categorization so I can't, e.g., easily find a list of all
>net-related stuff.

Go to the main documentation window, click "Development Guide", then click
"Networks & Communication" for such a list.

(I suppose I could change "Networks" to "Internet".)

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From jeanne at runrev.com  Sat Apr 13 05:50:11 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Sat Apr 13 05:50:11 2002
Subject: Newbie Font and Quicktime questions
In-Reply-To: <85256B99.004DEC2D.00@mail.mcc.org>
Message-ID: <v0313032db8ddaf7d0a64@[216.99.192.102]>

At 7:11 AM -0700 4/12/2002, Fred_D_Yocum at mail.mcc.org wrote:
>Fonts - In the font menu is the option "Use Owners font" I am assuming
>that this
>is like the object/stack structure with the reference going up (or down) the
>branches until it reaches ?

That's right. Font (and color) attributes inherit in the object hierarchy -
controls inherit from the card they're on, cards inherit from their stacks,
and so on. Each object inherits fonts and colors from its owner.

>Where is the first referencing of the font attribute?

When you build your application, the base fonts are set by the main stack
of the standalone. (If you don't specify a font anywhere, the engine sets
the defaults to Helvetica.)

>I can specify any of the fonts that are on my system but since this
>is an application that is going to be distributed over all Mac/Win.Linux
>systems
>I should probably stick to? If this were web design I could use list
>"Helevetica, Arial, sans-serif", is this handled in the Profile Manager
>(the one
>tutorial I have yet to do)?

Not as such, although you can use the Profile Manager along with a bit of
scripting to create a cascading fonts list. The basic approach would be to
create a profile for each possible font, and in your startup handler, check
the fontNames function to see which one to use.

Or, if all the fonts you're considering are close enough to the same size
that you won't need to adjust button widths and so on to fit, and you're
only planning to use one font, you can simply set your standalone's
textFont on startup. Everything else (that doesn't have its own font
properties set) will inherit from the main stack of the standalone, and you
won't need to bother with the Profile Manager.

>Quicktime
>I can use quicktime effects and display movies in cards. I the quick time
>functionality embedded in the distributed application or am I going to have to
>ensure that the user has Quicktime installed on their system?

QuickTime must be installed for the QT-based effects to work - the engine
simply calls the QuickTime routines for this.

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From jeanne at runrev.com  Sat Apr 13 05:50:34 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Sat Apr 13 05:50:34 2002
Subject: Newbie question
In-Reply-To: <p04310100b8d78fd4289d@[194.222.69.66]>
References: <200204081603.MAA20642@www.runrev.com>
 <200204081603.MAA20642@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <v0313032eb8ddb214a65e@[216.99.192.102]>

At 11:24 AM -0700 4/8/2002, Edmund Boyd wrote:
>I'm interested in compiling a database application (using cards as
>records) for Windows (I use a Mac), but compiled stacks don't seem to
>be able to add new cards. Am I missing something obvious? Must data
>be held in a text file and imported at startup? (I don't want to use
>an external database as Valentina is too expensive for me to license.)

It's true you can't save a standalone once it's created. (A running
application can't save itself on Unix or Windows, and for compatibility
this limitation is also enforced on Mac OS.) So it needs to be in a
separate file.

However, there's no reason this file can't be a stack - it makes most
sense, I think, to place utility items such as your splash screen and menu
bar in the standalone, and set up a database template as a substack. Once
your standalone is built, to create a database, you can clone this
substack, saving it as a new stack file. You can either put it in the same
folder as your app, or allow the user to choose a location, depending on
whether the app will only use one database or can use any of several
user-created stacks.

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From jeanne at runrev.com  Sat Apr 13 05:51:05 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Sat Apr 13 05:51:05 2002
Subject: Dev Project
In-Reply-To: <5F8C5C30-4E23-11D6-BDF6-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
References: <B8DC59B8.591%steve@messimercomputing.com>
Message-ID: <v03130330b8ddb362f4a2@[216.99.192.102]>

At 7:41 AM -0700 4/12/2002, Dar Scott wrote:
>>> I want it to act like browse even though pointer (edit) is selected.
>
> From looking at topStack as you suggested below and then
>discovering mode, I realize that what I probably want is a stack
>whose mode is not 1.
>
>Mark suggested setting the style to palette.  If I set it to
>palette, can I ever change it again?
>
>One way to make the mode not 1 I discovered from the docs is to
>have cantModify set to true.  Is that a one-way operation?  Will I
>be able to set it to false?

Actually, what you need is for the stack to be something other than
topLevel. This means you can change it to be a palette, modeless dialog, or
modal dialog. The cantModify doesn't affect the pointer-versus-browse tool.
(You can change the cantModify back and forth as often as you want,
though.) Modeless is probably what you want - it behaves the most like a
normal window.

You can either set the style property to modeless, or (the preferred way)
use the modeless command to display it as modeless. You can either use the
command in a script, or if the stack is already open, use the contextual
menu to switch back and forth.


>>> I might want to change the text in the rev script edit field.
>>
>> Do you mean that you want to change one object's script via an event
>> executed in another Object (eg a btn click )
>
>I want to insert text while editing the script.  So, I want to know
>the, uh, path or long name of the field of the rev script editor.
>And I need to know whether that is discouraged or frowned upon.

Well, it's not supported but I wouldn't say it's discouraged. Just remember
to make good backups. ;-)

I'm actually not completely sure how you'd go about this, because the
script editor may have different names depending on the circumstances. (All
script editor windows are clones of the Properties window, so it depends.)

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From wmb at internettrainer.com  Sat Apr 13 06:13:01 2002
From: wmb at internettrainer.com (Wolfgang M. Bereuter)
Date: Sat Apr 13 06:13:01 2002
Subject: Rev Classic Crashing
In-Reply-To: <200204130817.EAA22829@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <B8DDDE6F.AC8E%wmb@internettrainer.com>

am 13.04.2002 10:17 Uhr schrieb use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com
unter use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com:

>Rev 1.1 Mac version is crashing regularly.  What should the memory
>allocation
> be for the rev. application?

do you mean rev 1.1 - or was this a typo? Now we have 1.1.1...
Rev is getting better (stablke) and better with every update. But i have
learned from the first rev beta on: There are 2 fellows wich dont like to
stay together under OS 9: Rev and Internet Explorer
If you have them open together or/and maybee other apps too. Close, every
time when possible, one of them, then you will have a more quiet life in the
future ;)

regards
Wolfgang M. Bereuter

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From cyberscope at dca.net  Sat Apr 13 08:43:01 2002
From: cyberscope at dca.net (Gene Kennedy)
Date: Sat Apr 13 08:43:01 2002
Subject: Text-To-Speech/Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <B8DD4E28.2E2E%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <B8DDAD8E.3B3%cyberscope@dca.net>

on 4/13/02 4:53 AM, Ken Norris (dialup) at pixelbird at interisland.net wrote:

> on 4/12/02 11:40 PM, Kurt Kaufman at kurtkaufman at hotmail.com wrote:
> 
>> Does anyone know of an external that will allow R.R. access to
>> text-to-speech on Mac OS X?
>> Thanks, Kurt
> ----------
> I'm also extremely interested in this as well as Windows.
> 
> Ken N.



How about:

on mouseUp
    put "The text I want spoken." into myVar
    Do "say " &quote& myVar &quote as Applescript
end mouseUp


Gene Kennedy



From themacguy at mac.com  Sat Apr 13 08:56:01 2002
From: themacguy at mac.com (Barry Levine)
Date: Sat Apr 13 08:56:01 2002
Subject: Text-to-Speech
Message-ID: <69BB55BC-4EE5-11D6-A463-003065BC131C@mac.com>

The link to the Text-to-Speech external (three others included, as well).

<http://www.runrev.com/revolution/developers/developerdownloads/externalscollection.
html>

--------------------------------------------------------
Barry Jay Levine
"The Mac Guy"
Macintosh Troubleshooting, System Engineering, Training,
AppleShare/OSX Server Setup, System Upgrades and Enhancements
On-Site service for K20, Business, Consumer
Phone/VoiceMail: 915-581-1105
             Fax: 915-581-8167
           eMail: themacguy at mac.com

MacOS X: It does. You can. It will.
WindowsXP: Insert wallet into Drive A: Press any key to empty
--------------------------------------------------------



From harrison at all-auctions.com  Sat Apr 13 10:52:01 2002
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Richard Harrison)
Date: Sat Apr 13 10:52:01 2002
Subject: Text-To-Speech/Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <B8DDAD8E.3B3%cyberscope@dca.net>
Message-ID: <B8DDCB8A.7E3%harrison@all-auctions.com>

on 4/13/2002 10:40 AM, Gene Kennedy at cyberscope at dca.net wrote:

> 
> 
> How about:
> 
> on mouseUp
> put "The text I want spoken." into myVar
> Do "say " &quote& myVar &quote as Applescript
> end mouseUp
> 
> 
> Gene Kennedy

Gene,

This works great!  How'd you find this one?

Anyway to change voices?

Thanks,

Rick Harrison



From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Sat Apr 13 11:15:00 2002
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sat Apr 13 11:15:00 2002
Subject: Rev Classic Crashing
In-Reply-To: <a05101509b8dd7318472c@[207.13.30.31]>
References: <CC91E4D0-4E56-11D6-8BF1-000393853D6C@rpsystems.net>
 <a05100314b8dd35342cdb@[206.117.139.34]>
 <a05101509b8dd7318472c@[207.13.30.31]>
Message-ID: <a05100300b8de061e5fe6@[188.9.94.76]>

At 12:34 AM -0500 4/13/02, Brad Allen wrote:
>>As a demonstration, set the allocation to the default (15,000) and run Revolution. Immediately switch to the Finder and select About This Computer on the Apple menu. You should see Revolution taking something in excess of 15,000 -- maybe 20,000 to 30,000, depending on circumstances. This is because Revolution (like many other apps on the Mac) allocates memory dynamically -- as dynamically as is possible on Mac OS 9.
>
>Most other apps that use dynamic memory add to the system heap size. Rev's behavior is very unusual for a Mac app, at least in the way it increases its own RAM allocation rather than adding to the size of the system heap. I've never seen another Mac app do that.

I think the Mac is more accurate about reporting memory usage today than it once was. Here are some apps on my hard drive that seem to be taking more than I gave them:

AppleWorks
Eudora
Microsoft Word
Photoshop
-- 

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com


From JacksHyperInfo at aol.com  Sat Apr 13 13:33:01 2002
From: JacksHyperInfo at aol.com (JacksHyperInfo at aol.com)
Date: Sat Apr 13 13:33:01 2002
Subject: Rev Classic Crashing
Message-ID: <180.6b67c8c.29e9d2d7@aol.com>

Yes- I designed a stack with a substack on Windows 98 in rev 1.0-then I 
e-mailed it to my imac running os9.2 with 128 meg using rev 1.1.1.   It 
opened fine and I can navigate thru the cards with buttons but when I go into 
editing and try to select an image or a field to edit-it crashes immediately 
and 100% of the time.  Got any ideas!
I've tryed to allocate more memory with the same result.

Jack


From troy at rpsystems.net  Sat Apr 13 13:41:01 2002
From: troy at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Sat Apr 13 13:41:01 2002
Subject: Rev Classic Crashing
In-Reply-To: <180.6b67c8c.29e9d2d7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <7C72A1DE-4F0D-11D6-8540-000393853D6C@rpsystems.net>

On Saturday, April 13, 2002, at 02:28 PM, JacksHyperInfo at aol.com wrote:

>  It
> opened fine and I can navigate thru the cards with buttons but when I 
> go into
> editing and try to select an image or a field to edit-it crashes 
> immediately
> and 100% of the time.  Got any ideas!
> I've tryed to allocate more memory with the same result.

I guess we can assume that the machine is otherwise functionally stable?
Any other software running at the same time? Any specific extensions 
that could be causing issues?
--
Troy
RPSystems
www.rpsystems.net



From JacksHyperInfo at aol.com  Sat Apr 13 14:35:01 2002
From: JacksHyperInfo at aol.com (JacksHyperInfo at aol.com)
Date: Sat Apr 13 14:35:01 2002
Subject: Rev Classic Crashing
Message-ID: <f7.199b377e.29e9e181@aol.com>

Yes imac is running fine otherwise and no other software running other than 
the finder!

Jack


From ambassador at FourthWorld.com  Sat Apr 13 15:11:01 2002
From: ambassador at FourthWorld.com (Richard Gaskin)
Date: Sat Apr 13 15:11:01 2002
Subject: getting paid
In-Reply-To: <200204101240.IAA09138@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <B8DDDDF8.16EEC%ambassador@FourthWorld.com>

Doug Ivers writes:

> I'm still trying to figure out how to protect my time investment.  Don't get
> me wrong, I love the shareware idea, but the reality is that few users get
> around to paying.

Some resources:

"The Plain Truth About Piracy" - Ambrosia Software
<http://www.AmbrosiaSW.com/cgi-bin/ubb/newsdisplay.cgi?action=topics&number=
14&article=000052>


"Protect your software: tips and recommendations"
<http://www.scalabium.com/articles/protection.htm>


"Anti Cracking FAQ"
<http://www.inner-smile.com/nocrack.phtml>


-- 
 Richard Gaskin 
 Fourth World Media Corporation
 Custom Software and Web Development for All Major Platforms
 Developer of WebMerge 1.9: Publish any Database on Any Site
 ___________________________________________________________
 Ambassador at FourthWorld.com       http://www.FourthWorld.com
 Tel: 323-225-3717                       AIM: FourthWorldInc



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sat Apr 13 15:15:01 2002
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Sat Apr 13 15:15:01 2002
Subject: Week number
Message-ID: <p05100300b8de409ea874@[10.0.1.201]>

Hi,


I'd like something not so difficult (I hope so) :

How to calculate the week number of a date

So, we are today 04/13/2002 (13/04/2002 in Europe).

We are week number 15

I'd like a script which calculates this number : "15" for a given date (today)

Thanks.
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From dsc at swcp.com  Sat Apr 13 15:21:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sat Apr 13 15:21:01 2002
Subject: Dev Project
In-Reply-To: <v03130330b8ddb362f4a2@[216.99.192.102]>
Message-ID: <F7F528DA-4EE2-11D6-A374-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Saturday, April 13, 2002, at 04:10 AM, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote:

> Actually, what you need is for the stack to be something other than
> topLevel. This means you can change it to be a palette, modeless 
> dialog, or
> modal dialog.

Thanks!

> The cantModify doesn't affect the pointer-versus-browse tool.
> (You can change the cantModify back and forth as often as you want,
> though.)

Uh.  It does for me.  In some contexts I have to click browse and 
then arrow to see the affect.

> You can either use the
> command in a script, or if the stack is already open, use the 
> contextual
> menu to switch back and forth.

Control click on a window that is modeless does nothing.  The 
object menu allows me to get to the card and stack properties under 
some conditions--when no topLevel is available?  But, stack 
properties don't control style.  I found two ways:

1.  Type in a line in the message box.
2.  Ta-Dah!  The GO menu comes alive in the Application Overview if 
a stack is selected.  It does just what I want!  Cool!

I've been having trouble editing the revExample plugin.  I have no 
control-click menu and in most contexts can't get to the card or 
stack properties.  The style is topLevel and cantModify is false, 
so I'm baffled.  I'll put this aside for now.


>
>>>> I might want to change the text in the rev script edit field.
...
> I'm actually not completely sure how you'd go about this, because the
> script editor may have different names depending on the 
> circumstances. (All
>
I might settle on putting text into the clipboard until the plugins 
get an SDK interface.

Dar Scott



From dk42 at mac.com  Sat Apr 13 15:34:01 2002
From: dk42 at mac.com (David Kwinter)
Date: Sat Apr 13 15:34:01 2002
Subject: Week number
In-Reply-To: <p05100300b8de409ea874@[10.0.1.201]>
Message-ID: <51246A32-4F1D-11D6-9136-003065C7D368@mac.com>

This is a pretty abstract way of going about it but I think it works. 
Check it for bugs, I wrote it up in a few minutes..

on mouseup
   put 0 into totalSecs
   put word 4 of the long date into yr
   put 1969 into sYr
   repeat
     add 1 to sYr
     if sYr=yr then exit repeat
     put "no" into leapYear
     if "." is not in sYr/4 then
       put "yes" into leapYear
       if "." is in sYr/100 then
         put "no" into leapYear
         if "." is not in sYr/2000 then
           put "yes" into leapYear
         end if
       end if
     end if

     if leapYear="no" then put 365 into daysThisYear
     else put 366 into daysThisYear
     add daysThisYear*60*60*24 to totalSecs

   end repeat
   put the seconds-totalSecs into netSecsThisYr

   put netSecsThisYr/60/60/24/7 into netWeek

   set itemDelimiter to "."
   put item 1 of netWeek into thisWeek
   answer "This week is #"&thisWeek&" of the year!"

end mouseup




On Saturday, April 13, 2002, at 04:12 PM, yves COPPE wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> I'd like something not so difficult (I hope so) :
>
> How to calculate the week number of a date
>
> So, we are today 04/13/2002 (13/04/2002 in Europe).
>
> We are week number 15
>
> I'd like a script which calculates this number : "15" for a given date 
> (today)
>
> Thanks.
> -- Greetings.
>
> Yves COPPE
>
> Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From dk42 at mac.com  Sat Apr 13 15:44:01 2002
From: dk42 at mac.com (David Kwinter)
Date: Sat Apr 13 15:44:01 2002
Subject: Ram Management
Message-ID: <B66735A2-4F1E-11D6-9136-003065C7D368@mac.com>

A revolution-build server program I have crashes reliably anywhere 
between the 1500-1800th repeat in a script that needs to make >9000 laps 
to complete. I know that the crash comes right as my computer runs out 
of ram. Is there an easy way to monitor the free system ram and quit 
then relaunch the program? I could make the script resume easily enough, 
but what's the best way of measuring when the ram's about the dry up?



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sat Apr 13 16:02:01 2002
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Sat Apr 13 16:02:01 2002
Subject: Week number
In-Reply-To: <51246A32-4F1D-11D6-9136-003065C7D368@mac.com>
References: <51246A32-4F1D-11D6-9136-003065C7D368@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p05100301b8de4c496690@[10.0.1.201]>

>This is a pretty abstract way of going about it but I think it 
>works. Check it for bugs, I wrote it up in a few minutes..
>
>on mouseup
>   put 0 into totalSecs
>   put word 4 of the long date into yr
>   put 1969 into sYr
>   repeat
>     add 1 to sYr
>     if sYr=yr then exit repeat
>     put "no" into leapYear
>     if "." is not in sYr/4 then
>       put "yes" into leapYear
>       if "." is in sYr/100 then
>         put "no" into leapYear
>         if "." is not in sYr/2000 then
>           put "yes" into leapYear
>         end if
>       end if
>     end if
>
>     if leapYear="no" then put 365 into daysThisYear
>     else put 366 into daysThisYear
>     add daysThisYear*60*60*24 to totalSecs
>
>   end repeat
>   put the seconds-totalSecs into netSecsThisYr
>
>   put netSecsThisYr/60/60/24/7 into netWeek
>
>   set itemDelimiter to "."
>   put item 1 of netWeek into thisWeek
>   answer "This week is #"&thisWeek&" of the year!"
>
>end mouseup
>



Fine !

But how to proceed for another date than today.

What's the number of the week for another given date ?

thanks.

-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From jeanne at runrev.com  Sat Apr 13 16:04:01 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Sat Apr 13 16:04:01 2002
Subject: Dev Project
In-Reply-To: <F7F528DA-4EE2-11D6-A374-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
References: <v03130330b8ddb362f4a2@[216.99.192.102]>
Message-ID: <v03130334b8de4b369e67@[216.99.192.102]>

At 6:32 AM -0700 4/13/2002, Dar Scott wrote:
>> You can either use the
>> command in a script, or if the stack is already open, use the
>> contextual
>> menu to switch back and forth.
>
>Control click on a window that is modeless does nothing.

You have to use control-command-shift-click (or control-shift-right-click).
This is the key combination that works with the Browse tool.

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From dk42 at mac.com  Sat Apr 13 16:47:00 2002
From: dk42 at mac.com (David Kwinter)
Date: Sat Apr 13 16:47:00 2002
Subject: Week number
In-Reply-To: <p05100301b8de4c496690@[10.0.1.201]>
Message-ID: <6DC503FE-4F27-11D6-9136-003065C7D368@mac.com>

This is my last whack at it.. there's definitely got to be a better way. 
But these seems to work.
Just specify your month, day & year in the first few lines...


on mouseup
   put the seconds into nowSecs
   put "12" into theMonth
   put "31" into theDay
   put "2002" into theYear
   put "no" into leapThisYear
   if "." is not in theYear/4 then
     put "yes" into leapThisYear
     if "." is in theYear/100 then
       put "no" into leapThisYear
       if "." is not in theYear/2000 then
         put "yes" into leapThisYear
       end if
     end if
   end if
   if theMonth>01 then add 31 to dayCount
   if theMonth>02 then add 28 to dayCount
   if leapThisYear="yes" then add 1 to dayCount
   if theMonth>03 then add 31 to dayCount
   if theMonth>04 then add 30 to dayCount
   if theMonth>05 then add 31 to dayCount
   if theMonth>06 then add 30 to dayCount
   if theMonth>07 then add 31 to dayCount
   if theMonth>08 then add 31 to dayCount
   if theMonth>09 then add 30 to dayCount
   if theMonth>10 then add 31 to dayCount
   if theMonth>11 then add 30 to dayCount
   set itemDelimiter to "/"
   add theDay to dayCount
   put dayCount*24*60*60 into furtherSecsThisYear

   put 0 into totalSecs

   put 1969 into sYr
   repeat
     add 1 to sYr
     if sYr=theYear then exit repeat
     put "no" into leapYear
     if "." is not in sYr/4 then
       put "yes" into leapYear
       if "." is in sYr/100 then
         put "no" into leapYear
         if "." is not in sYr/2000 then
           put "yes" into leapYear
         end if
       end if
     end if

     if leapYear="no" then put 365 into daysThisYear
     else put 366 into daysThisYear
     add daysThisYear*60*60*24 to totalSecs

   end repeat
   put (totalSecs+furtherSecsThisYear)-totalSecs into netSecsThisYr

   put netSecsThisYr/60/60/24/7 into netWeek

   set itemDelimiter to "."
   put item 1 of netWeek into thisWeek
   answer thisWeek

end mouseup



From michael at GreppyDreppies.com  Sat Apr 13 17:30:00 2002
From: michael at GreppyDreppies.com (Michael D Mays)
Date: Sat Apr 13 17:30:00 2002
Subject: Week number
In-Reply-To: <p05100300b8de409ea874@[10.0.1.201]>
Message-ID: <B8DE1A8E.5ABA2%michael@GreppyDreppies.com>

on mouseUp
  ask "What date?"
  convert it to dateItems
  put it into yearStart
  put "1,1" into item 2 to 3 of yearStart
  convert yearStart to dateItems
  put (item 7 yearStart-1)* 86400 into dayDif
  convert yearStart to seconds
  convert it to seconds
  answer "Week"&&(it-yearStart+dayDif)/86400  div 7 +1&&"of the year."
end mouseUp

michael

yves COPPE of yvescoppe at skynet.be wrote the following on 4/13/02 3:12 PM

> Hi,
> 
> I'd like something not so difficult (I hope so) :
> 
> How to calculate the week number of a date
> So, we are today 04/13/2002 (13/04/2002 in Europe).
> We are week number 15
> I'd like a script which calculates this number : "15" for a given date (today)
> 
> Thanks.



From michael at GreppyDreppies.com  Sat Apr 13 18:01:01 2002
From: michael at GreppyDreppies.com (Michael D Mays)
Date: Sat Apr 13 18:01:01 2002
Subject: Ram Management
In-Reply-To: <B66735A2-4F1E-11D6-9136-003065C7D368@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B8DE2201.5ABF1%michael@GreppyDreppies.com>

use the hasMemory function.

If you know your loop uses 10000 bytes then at the beginning of the loop
insert
  if hasMemory(15000) is false exit repeat

michael

David Kwinter of dk42 at mac.com wrote the following on 4/13/02 3:40 PM

> A revolution-build server program I have crashes reliably anywhere
> between the 1500-1800th repeat in a script that needs to make >9000 laps
> to complete. I know that the crash comes right as my computer runs out
> of ram. Is there an easy way to monitor the free system ram and quit
> then relaunch the program? I could make the script resume easily enough,
> but what's the best way of measuring when the ram's about the dry up?



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Sat Apr 13 20:51:01 2002
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Sat Apr 13 20:51:01 2002
Subject: Text-to-Speech
In-Reply-To: <69BB55BC-4EE5-11D6-A463-003065BC131C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B8DDD0B1.2E50%pixelbird@interisland.net>

on 4/13/02 6:50 AM, Barry Levine at themacguy at mac.com wrote:

> The link to the Text-to-Speech external (three others included, as well).
> 
> <http://www.runrev.com/revolution/developers/developerdownloads/externalscolle
> ction.
> html>
----------
Thanks Barry,
Ken N.



From pixelbird at interisland.net  Sat Apr 13 20:51:24 2002
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Sat Apr 13 20:51:24 2002
Subject: Text-To-Speech/Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <B8DDAD8E.3B3%cyberscope@dca.net>
Message-ID: <B8DDD03F.2E50%pixelbird@interisland.net>

on 4/13/02 7:40 AM, Gene Kennedy at cyberscope at dca.net wrote:

> on mouseUp
> put "The text I want spoken." into myVar
> Do "say " &quote& myVar &quote as Applescript
> end mouseUp
----------
Very nice. Why didn't I think of that? Many thanks Gene.

Thanks...now what about Windows? What's the best voice selection for
Windows? Anyone? I know the external can make Rev speak, but what is the
advice on implementing it? i.e., would it be better practice to call
different handlers (Mac vs. PC/Windows) to speak, or change the whole
concept in the stack operations foe Windows, because having to use the
external?

Best regards,
Ken N.



From kurtkaufman at hotmail.com  Sat Apr 13 21:21:01 2002
From: kurtkaufman at hotmail.com (Kurt Kaufman)
Date: Sat Apr 13 21:21:01 2002
Subject: Text-To-Speech/Mac OS X
Message-ID: <F129dm5UxP9Fekzabtn00000fa0@hotmail.com>

>From: Richard Harrison <harrison at all-auctions.com>

[...]

> > on mouseUp
> > put "The text I want spoken." into myVar
> > Do "say " &quote& myVar &quote as Applescript
> > end mouseUp
[...]
>
>Anyway to change voices?

Here's one way to specify a voice by name ("Princess" being a specific voice 
available to the Speech Manager):

on mouseUp
  put "The text I want spoken." into myVar
  Do "say " &quote& myVar &quote& " using " &quote& Princess &quote as 
Applescript
end mouseUp



-Kurt

_________________________________________________________________
Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com



From karlpet at mac.com  Sun Apr 14 01:14:01 2002
From: karlpet at mac.com (Karl Petersen)
Date: Sun Apr 14 01:14:01 2002
Subject: Rev Classic Crashing
In-Reply-To: <a05100314b8dd35342cdb@[206.117.139.34]>
References: <CC91E4D0-4E56-11D6-8BF1-000393853D6C@rpsystems.net>
 <a05100314b8dd35342cdb@[206.117.139.34]>
Message-ID: <p05100300b8dec7fd6c1e@[192.168.1.202]>

At 6:15 PM -0700 4/12/02, Geoff Canyon wrote:
>If you run out of memory, Revolution will allocate until there is 
>practically none left. What I see at that point is that the desktop 
>takes forever to update. If I move a window, I'll see the desktop 
>picture redraw bit by bit, and the icons on the desktop update 
>individually. That's a sure sign that it's time to quit Revolution 
>and start again.

If Rev allocates more and more memory to itself the longer it runs, 
won't it inevitably crash? To test this, I built a MacPPC app (20MB 
memory allocation, dynamic memory allocation tested both checked and 
unchecked) whose main routine saves 100 images to jpegs. Each time it 
runs that routine, the app grabs 15MB more RAM, until eventually it 
has allocated about 150MB to itself. It always crashes when the Mac's 
free RAM drops below 125MB. (I.1.1, MacOS 9.1, 512MB physical RAM)

Isn't it inevitable the app will crash when either 1) it can't 
allocate more memory to itself; or 2) it starves the Mac OS/other 
apps of memory? What am I missing? This just doesn't sound right.


From fuegox at mac.com  Sun Apr 14 01:19:01 2002
From: fuegox at mac.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Sun Apr 14 01:19:01 2002
Subject: New registry keys
In-Reply-To: <200204130817.EAA22829@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <ABAC05B4-4F6E-11D6-B025-003065B78238@mac.com>

On Saturday, April 13, 2002, at 01:17  AM, use-revolution-
request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> Recently, Dar Scott wrote:
>
>> Will setRegistry() automatically make keys?
>>
>> (This is one area where I'd rather not experiment.)
>
> Yes.  And experimenting is fine.
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director

I don't know if you are working on a Mac.  But if you do, or if you have 
one, you can use Virtual PC 5.  It has a new feature that allows you to 
undo any changes to your drive.  So if you feel like you screwed 
something up, you can go right back to a working stable drive at any 
time.

Just a thought for the Mac users out there developing for PCs too.  A 
decent Mac can do a good job for this.

-Mark Talluto



From fuegox at mac.com  Sun Apr 14 01:22:01 2002
From: fuegox at mac.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Sun Apr 14 01:22:01 2002
Subject: Dev Project
In-Reply-To: <200204130817.EAA22829@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <64658D2D-4F6F-11D6-B025-003065B78238@mac.com>

>
>
> On Friday, April 12, 2002, at 07:30 AM, Steve Messimer wrote:
>
>>> I want it to act like browse even though pointer (edit) is selected.
>>
>> Not sure what you mean here.
>
>  From looking at topStack as you suggested below and then
> discovering mode, I realize that what I probably want is a stack
> whose mode is not 1.
>
> Mark suggested setting the style to palette.  If I set it to
> palette, can I ever change it again?

Yes you can.  It can be changed any time you want.  Set the style of 
stack "blah blah" to default

>
> One way to make the mode not 1 I discovered from the docs is to
> have cantModify set to true.  Is that a one-way operation?  Will I
> be able to set it to false?
You can set this back and forth at will as well.

snip ...

> Dar Scott



From themacguy at mac.com  Sun Apr 14 01:37:00 2002
From: themacguy at mac.com (Barry Levine)
Date: Sun Apr 14 01:37:00 2002
Subject: Text-to-Speech on Windows
Message-ID: <5340ED28-4F71-11D6-B94E-003065BC131C@mac.com>

A friend of mine who is having software developed for him (not by me nor 
using Rev) mentioned to me that his developer (who has, apparently, done 
a lot of work for IBM) wants to use actual sound files rather than 
text-to-speech. The reasons are:
1. The quality of the synthetic speech is not good enough (but he 
doesn't like it on the Mac, either).
2. The software to make text-to-speech work on Windows requires the 
developer to virtually re-install Windows on the target machine; even 
then, there are so many factors that can prevent the speech synthesis 
from working on a PC.

Now, I will readily admit that I don't do Windows so I am simply 
repeating what I have been told and am not passing judgement on whether 
this is true or not.

Barry
--------------------------------------------------------
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"The Mac Guy"
Macintosh Troubleshooting, System Engineering, Training,
AppleShare/OSX Server Setup, System Upgrades and Enhancements

On-Site service for K20, Business, Consumer

Phone/VoiceMail: 915-581-1105
             Fax: 915-581-8167
           eMail: themacguy at mac.com

MacOS X: It does. You can. It will.

WindowsXP: Insert wallet into Drive A: Press any key to empty
--------------------------------------------------------



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sun Apr 14 03:38:01 2002
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Sun Apr 14 03:38:01 2002
Subject: Week number
In-Reply-To: <6DC503FE-4F27-11D6-9136-003065C7D368@mac.com>
References: <6DC503FE-4F27-11D6-9136-003065C7D368@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p05100302b8deeeb8154b@[10.0.1.201]>

>This is my last whack at it.. there's definitely got to be a better 
>way. But these seems to work.
>Just specify your month, day & year in the first few lines...
>
>on mouseup
>   put the seconds into nowSecs
>   put "12" into theMonth
>   put "31" into theDay
>   put "2002" into theYear
>   put "no" into leapThisYear
>   if "." is not in theYear/4 then
>     put "yes" into leapThisYear
>     if "." is in theYear/100 then
>       put "no" into leapThisYear
>       if "." is not in theYear/2000 then
>         put "yes" into leapThisYear
>       end if
>     end if
>   end if
>   if theMonth>01 then add 31 to dayCount
>   if theMonth>02 then add 28 to dayCount
>   if leapThisYear="yes" then add 1 to dayCount
>   if theMonth>03 then add 31 to dayCount
>   if theMonth>04 then add 30 to dayCount
>   if theMonth>05 then add 31 to dayCount
>   if theMonth>06 then add 30 to dayCount
>   if theMonth>07 then add 31 to dayCount
>   if theMonth>08 then add 31 to dayCount
>   if theMonth>09 then add 30 to dayCount
>   if theMonth>10 then add 31 to dayCount
>   if theMonth>11 then add 30 to dayCount
>   set itemDelimiter to "/"
>   add theDay to dayCount
>   put dayCount*24*60*60 into furtherSecsThisYear
>
>   put 0 into totalSecs
>
>   put 1969 into sYr
>   repeat
>     add 1 to sYr
>     if sYr=theYear then exit repeat
>     put "no" into leapYear
>     if "." is not in sYr/4 then
>       put "yes" into leapYear
>       if "." is in sYr/100 then
>         put "no" into leapYear
>         if "." is not in sYr/2000 then
>           put "yes" into leapYear
>         end if
>       end if
>     end if
>
>     if leapYear="no" then put 365 into daysThisYear
>     else put 366 into daysThisYear
>     add daysThisYear*60*60*24 to totalSecs
>
>   end repeat
>   put (totalSecs+furtherSecsThisYear)-totalSecs into netSecsThisYr
>
>   put netSecsThisYr/60/60/24/7 into netWeek
>
>   set itemDelimiter to "."
>   put item 1 of netWeek into thisWeek
>   answer thisWeek
>
>end mouseup
>
>


Fine, it does just what I want.
I made a fuction of your code BUT for an european date : "DD/MM/YYYY"
it can easily be adapted for an other format of date.
there was a previous discussion in the list about the date format
One may take the code of this date format to adapt the function in an 
international format


function WeekNr theDate
   set itemdelimiter to "/"
   put item 1 of theDate into theDay
   put item 2 of theDate into theMonth
   put item 3 of theDate into theYear
   set itemdelimiter to comma
   --put "12" into theMonth
   --put "31" into theDay
   --put "2002" into theYear
   put "no" into leapThisYear
   if "." is not in theYear/4 then
     put "yes" into leapThisYear
     if "." is in theYear/100 then
       put "no" into leapThisYear
       if "." is not in theYear/2000 then
         put "yes" into leapThisYear
       end if
     end if
   end if
   if theMonth>01 then add 31 to dayCount
   if theMonth>02 then add 28 to dayCount
   if leapThisYear="yes" then add 1 to dayCount
   if theMonth>03 then add 31 to dayCount
   if theMonth>04 then add 30 to dayCount
   if theMonth>05 then add 31 to dayCount
   if theMonth>06 then add 30 to dayCount
   if theMonth>07 then add 31 to dayCount
   if theMonth>08 then add 31 to dayCount
   if theMonth>09 then add 30 to dayCount
   if theMonth>10 then add 31 to dayCount
   if theMonth>11 then add 30 to dayCount
   set itemDelimiter to "/"
   add theDay to dayCount
   put dayCount*24*60*60 into furtherSecsThisYear

   put 0 into totalSecs

   put 1969 into sYr
   repeat
     add 1 to sYr
     if sYr=theYear then exit repeat
     put "no" into leapYear
     if "." is not in sYr/4 then
       put "yes" into leapYear
       if "." is in sYr/100 then
         put "no" into leapYear
         if "." is not in sYr/2000 then
           put "yes" into leapYear
         end if
       end if
     end if
   
     if leapYear="no" then put 365 into daysThisYear
     else put 366 into daysThisYear
     add daysThisYear*60*60*24 to totalSecs
   
   end repeat
   put (totalSecs+furtherSecsThisYear)-totalSecs into netSecsThisYr

   put netSecsThisYr/60/60/24/7 into netWeek

   set itemDelimiter to "."
   put item 1 of netWeek into thisWeek
   add "1" to thisWeek
   return thisWeek
end WeekNr
-- 


From Marian.Petrides at sm13.texas.rr.com  Sun Apr 14 04:51:01 2002
From: Marian.Petrides at sm13.texas.rr.com (Marian.Petrides at sm13.texas.rr.com)
Date: Sun Apr 14 04:51:01 2002
Subject: Rev Classic Crashing
In-Reply-To: <7C72A1DE-4F0D-11D6-8540-000393853D6C@rpsystems.net>
Message-ID: <D407926B-4F18-11D6-BE06-0003936D5826@earthlink.net>

FWIW, in retrospect I had a similar problem going from 1.0 on MAC to 1.1 
(not 1.1.1) on PC.  I think I also emailed the file to myself, although 
I might have sneaker-netted it using a floppy disk.  For me, the problem 
came when I tried to change fonts.

Alas, I can not recall any other details, nor can I recall how I 
eventually fixed the problem--although I suspect I just went back to v 
1.0 on the PC side.

I guess my point is that this may be a problem related to going from one 
platform to another at the same time as going from 1.0 to 1.1.   Just a 
thought...

Marian

On Saturday, April 13, 2002, at 01:37 PM, Troy Rollins wrote:

>
> On Saturday, April 13, 2002, at 02:28 PM, JacksHyperInfo at aol.com wrote:
>
>>  It
>> opened fine and I can navigate thru the cards with buttons but when I 
>> go into
>> editing and try to select an image or a field to edit-it crashes 
>> immediately
>> and 100% of the time.  Got any ideas!
>> I've tryed to allocate more memory with the same result.
>
> I guess we can assume that the machine is otherwise functionally stable?
> Any other software running at the same time? Any specific extensions 
> that could be causing issues?
> --
> Troy
> RPSystems
> www.rpsystems.net
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From tbandi at swissonline.ch  Sun Apr 14 05:50:01 2002
From: tbandi at swissonline.ch (Till Bandi)
Date: Sun Apr 14 05:50:01 2002
Subject: Reports DataPRO
In-Reply-To: <B8DDC44A.D83%bvischer@datacomm.ch>
Message-ID: <CB137555-4F94-11D6-A733-003065C286B0@swissonline.ch>

don't you mean print report? Nine To Five sold Reports DataPro. I think 
it is still sold. The new adress is

http://www.rpControl.com/

Till Bandi


Am Samstag den, 13. April 2002, um 11:17, schrieb Bernhard Vischer:

> The report generating tool, Reports DataPRO, mentioned by Brad Allen, 
> is marketed by Roval Software
>
> http://www.royalsoftware.com/descriptions/
>
> Bernhard Vischer
>
>
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From derekbronston at earthlink.net  Sun Apr 14 10:21:00 2002
From: derekbronston at earthlink.net (Derek)
Date: Sun Apr 14 10:21:00 2002
Subject: creating text files
Message-ID: <B8DF167B.263D%derekbronston@earthlink.net>


This seems like a dumb question but I am a bit new new to Revolution, I am
much more used to php , and c style programming. I am trying to create a
text file with a name based on a variable  but this doesn't seem to be
straight froward. Open file requires a string  and doesn't seem to accept a
variable in place of the string , and set filename only seems to work for
images and players?? is there some escape symbols i can use or a way to
rename a text file ?

Thanks 

derek



From johng at cablespeed.com  Sun Apr 14 10:35:01 2002
From: johng at cablespeed.com (John)
Date: Sun Apr 14 10:35:01 2002
Subject: Rev Classic Crashing
In-Reply-To: <p05100300b8dec7fd6c1e@[192.168.1.202]>
Message-ID: <B27E76BD-4FBC-11D6-933A-003065847600@cablespeed.com>

This sounds more like a bug than a "feature".  It is also a bit 
disturbing to have your built application leaking memory.  Perhaps you 
should consider posting this bug on the "improve" list to make sure the 
problem is noted.

Just a thought,
John Miskimins

On Saturday, April 13, 2002, at 11:10 PM, Karl Petersen wrote:
>
> If Rev allocates more and more memory to itself the longer it runs, 
> won't it inevitably crash? To test this, I built a MacPPC app (20MB 
> memory allocation, dynamic memory allocation tested both checked and 
> unchecked) whose main routine saves 100 images to jpegs. Each time it 
> runs that routine, the app grabs 15MB more RAM, until eventually it has 
> allocated about 150MB to itself. It always crashes when the Mac's free 
> RAM drops below 125MB. (I.1.1, MacOS 9.1, 512MB physical RAM)
>
> Isn't it inevitable the app will crash when either 1) it can't allocate 
> more memory to itself; or 2) it starves the Mac OS/other apps of 
> memory? What am I missing? This just doesn't sound right.



From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Sun Apr 14 10:39:00 2002
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun Apr 14 10:39:00 2002
Subject: Rev Classic Crashing
In-Reply-To: <p05100300b8dec7fd6c1e@[192.168.1.202]>
References: <CC91E4D0-4E56-11D6-8BF1-000393853D6C@rpsystems.net>
 <a05100314b8dd35342cdb@[206.117.139.34]>
 <p05100300b8dec7fd6c1e@[192.168.1.202]>
Message-ID: <a05100301b8df51dc9dd9@[188.9.94.76]>

At 11:10 PM -0700 4/13/02, Karl Petersen wrote:
>If Rev allocates more and more memory to itself the longer it runs, won't it inevitably crash? To test this, I built a MacPPC app (20MB memory allocation, dynamic memory allocation tested both checked and unchecked) whose main routine saves 100 images to jpegs. Each time it runs that routine, the app grabs 15MB more RAM, until eventually it has allocated about 150MB to itself. It always crashes when the Mac's free RAM drops below 125MB. (I.1.1, MacOS 9.1, 512MB physical RAM)
>
>Isn't it inevitable the app will crash when either 1) it can't allocate more memory to itself; or 2) it starves the Mac OS/other apps of memory? What am I missing? This just doesn't sound right.

Yes, if you continually allocate new resources, you will eventually run out of memory. If you reuse resources, or delete old ones and create new ones, your memory use should hover around a certain amount. So it depends on how your code is written. Can you post the code you're using?
-- 

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com


From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Sun Apr 14 10:46:01 2002
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Sun Apr 14 10:46:01 2002
Subject: Week number
In-Reply-To: <p05100302b8deeeb8154b@[10.0.1.201]>
References: <6DC503FE-4F27-11D6-9136-003065C7D368@mac.com>
 <p05100302b8deeeb8154b@[10.0.1.201]>
Message-ID: <a05100302b8df52dcd9f7@[206.117.139.34]>

At 10:34 AM +0200 4/14/02, yves COPPE wrote:
>>   if "." is not in theYear/4 then
>>     put "yes" into leapThisYear
>>     if "." is in theYear/100 then
>>       put "no" into leapThisYear
>>       if "." is not in theYear/2000 then
>>         put "yes" into leapThisYear

I'm pretty sure that last number should be 400, not 2000. Doesn't the week number also depend on how you count the first week of the year -- which depends on where Wednesday falls?
-- 

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com


From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sun Apr 14 13:14:01 2002
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Sun Apr 14 13:14:01 2002
Subject: creating text files
In-Reply-To: <B8DF167B.263D%derekbronston@earthlink.net>
References: <B8DF167B.263D%derekbronston@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <p05100301b8df75dc8fe2@[10.0.1.201]>

Hi,

you have yout text in a variable : Mytext
the name of your textfile is another variable : myFileName

so you ask where you want to save your text

ask file "Where do you want to save your text" with myFileName
if it is empty then exit to top
put it into filepath
open file filepath
write Mytext to file filepath
close file fielpath


Hope this help.
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sun Apr 14 13:15:51 2002
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Sun Apr 14 13:15:51 2002
Subject: Week number
In-Reply-To: <a05100302b8df52dcd9f7@[206.117.139.34]>
References: <6DC503FE-4F27-11D6-9136-003065C7D368@mac.com>
 <p05100302b8deeeb8154b@[10.0.1.201]>
 <a05100302b8df52dcd9f7@[206.117.139.34]>
Message-ID: <p05100300b8df6b761e60@[10.0.1.201]>

>At 10:34 AM +0200 4/14/02, yves COPPE wrote:
>>>    if "." is not in theYear/4 then
>>>      put "yes" into leapThisYear
>>>      if "." is in theYear/100 then
>>>        put "no" into leapThisYear
>>>        if "." is not in theYear/2000 then
>>>          put "yes" into leapThisYear
>
>I'm pretty sure that last number should be 400, not 2000. Doesn't 
>the week number also depend on how you count the first week of the 
>year -- which depends on where Wednesday falls?
>--
>
>regards,
>
>Geoff Canyon
>gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com
>_


Yes, you're right. Thank you for the correction.
I invite everybody who plan to use the function to make the correction.

Thanks.
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From JacksHyperInfo at aol.com  Sun Apr 14 13:45:01 2002
From: JacksHyperInfo at aol.com (JacksHyperInfo at aol.com)
Date: Sun Apr 14 13:45:01 2002
Subject: Rev Classic Crashing
Message-ID: <f5.1a4d350e.29eb272a@aol.com>

On that note -Is it possible to get version 1.0 for the mac.

Jack


From pixelbird at interisland.net  Sun Apr 14 16:09:01 2002
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Sun Apr 14 16:09:01 2002
Subject: Rev Classic Crashing
In-Reply-To: <4a.9c7e1f2.29e8f2bb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <B8DF3E62.2E84%pixelbird@interisland.net>

on 4/12/02 7:32 PM, JacksHyperInfo at aol.com at JacksHyperInfo at aol.com wrote:

> Thanks fjor the explanation-i have 128 meg in the Imac and I have nothing
> else open-your right -it builds to 70meg-and if I edit a file it crashes!
> 
> Why does it run so smooth on windows and so marginal on the imac?
> 
> Is my answer to add another 128meg!
----------
Hi Jack,

Its' me. Ken Norris. Fancy meeting you here! To answer your first question:

In a word,'Yes'.

Best regards,



From dsc at swcp.com  Sun Apr 14 16:34:00 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sun Apr 14 16:34:00 2002
Subject: Text-To-Speech/Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <F129dm5UxP9Fekzabtn00000fa0@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <E62CEF1D-4FEE-11D6-8C30-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Sunday, April 14, 2002, at 02:17 AM, Kurt Kaufman wrote:

> on mouseUp
>  put "The text I want spoken." into myVar
>  Do "say " &quote& myVar &quote& " using " &quote& Princess &quote 
> as Applescript
> end mouseUp
>
This is fun!  And can be handy for a mock-up before recording is made.

AND you can use English phonemic and "prosodic" symbols.

Just "say" things like this:

[[inpt PHON]]
DUH kAEt IHn ~DUH hAEt
[[inpt TEXT]]

The table I found to do this is here:
http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/mac/Sound/Sound-201.html

See also,
http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/mac/Sound/Sound-200.html

It is missing the er vowel (as in bird) which is needed for most 
dialects of American English.  You can approximate it with 
"<<<IX>>r".  It also doesn't have syllabic l, m and n.  I used 
">l", ">>>m", and ">>n" for those below, but they may not work in 
other contexts.  The last is often after a glottal stop and I 
used "<<%" for that.  Some speakers in New England make a 
distinction between the first vowel in father and the vowel in cot, 
so I fiddled with the vowel there, but I doubt whether such 
speakers would agree with me.

Here is what I got:

The [[inpt PHON]]f>AAD<<<IX>>r b<<<IX>>rd
[[inpt TEXT]] chased after the [[inpt PHON]] lIHd>l kIH<<%>>n
%%lIHs>>n tUW DUH >>rIHD>>>m [[inpt TEXT]]

I wasn't able to make it say "Loch Ness".

And you can sometimes roughly approximate foreign language:

[[inpt PHON]]
mOWSIYmOWSIY% dOWn<<AAt<<AA dEHs k<<<AA
[[inpt TEXT]]

Hmmm.  I have the SIL IPA fonts on my machine...

Dar Scott



From JohnRule at aol.com  Sun Apr 14 16:57:00 2002
From: JohnRule at aol.com (JohnRule at aol.com)
Date: Sun Apr 14 16:57:00 2002
Subject: Satndalone icons
Message-ID: <16c.c161324.29eb543b@aol.com>

I cannot seem to get the document icon to work in my standalone. The 
application icon shows up fine. I am expecting to see the document icon when 
I save any file from my application...is this not the way it works?

Thanks,
John


From pixelbird at interisland.net  Sun Apr 14 17:14:01 2002
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Sun Apr 14 17:14:01 2002
Subject: Text-to-Speech on Windows
In-Reply-To: <5340ED28-4F71-11D6-B94E-003065BC131C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B8DF4D8E.2EC9%pixelbird@interisland.net>

on 4/13/02 11:31 PM, Barry Levine at themacguy at mac.com wrote:

> A friend of mine who is having software developed for him (not by me nor
> using Rev) mentioned to me that his developer (who has, apparently, done
> a lot of work for IBM) wants to use actual sound files rather than
> text-to-speech. The reasons are:
> 1. The quality of the synthetic speech is not good enough (but he
> doesn't like it on the Mac, either).
> 2. The software to make text-to-speech work on Windows requires the
> developer to virtually re-install Windows on the target machine; even
> then, there are so many factors that can prevent the speech synthesis
> from working on a PC.
----------
My mom has macular degeneration and can't see the computer screen well
enough to see her email, which she regularly gets from the family members.
This means she won't get her mail until someone comes and D/L's it and reads
it to her.

I want to write a RR program that imports the email text and reads it aloud
to her. She's used to this sort of thing from using 'Books on tape' and can
probably do it herself if someone can set the computer to run email from a
single key, and the RR program from another key.

If your friend's developer can show us how to make this happen using real
sound files, he may be able to bank a whole lot of moola in a hurry. I'd
give him $200 right now if he can show me how to make that happen.

Best regards,
Ken N.



From jeanne at runrev.com  Sun Apr 14 17:27:01 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Sun Apr 14 17:27:01 2002
Subject: creating text files
In-Reply-To: <B8DF167B.263D%derekbronston@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <v0313033bb8dfadbdc3b9@[216.99.192.102]>

At 11:20 AM -0700 4/14/2002, Derek wrote:
>This seems like a dumb question but I am a bit new new to Revolution, I am
>much more used to php , and c style programming. I am trying to create a
>text file with a name based on a variable  but this doesn't seem to be
>straight froward.

Suppose your filename is in a variable called "myFile". This will create
the file and put the contents of field 1 into it:

  put field 1 into URL ("file:" & myFile)

If the variable myFile contains a pathname, the file is created where
specified; otherwise, it's created in the defaultFolder (by default, this
is the same folder as the application).

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From drvaughan55 at mac.com  Sun Apr 14 18:22:01 2002
From: drvaughan55 at mac.com (David Vaughan)
Date: Sun Apr 14 18:22:01 2002
Subject: Rev Classic Crashing
In-Reply-To: <B8DF3E62.2E84%pixelbird@interisland.net>
Message-ID: <D8D4ADB1-4FFD-11D6-AF9E-000393598038@mac.com>

On Monday, April 15, 2002, at 07:10 , Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:

> on 4/12/02 7:32 PM, JacksHyperInfo at aol.com at JacksHyperInfo at aol.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks fjor the explanation-i have 128 meg in the Imac and I have 
>> nothing
>> else open-your right -it builds to 70meg-and if I edit a file it 
>> crashes!
>>
>> Why does it run so smooth on windows and so marginal on the imac?
>>
>> Is my answer to add another 128meg!
> ----------
> Hi Jack,
>
> Its' me. Ken Norris. Fancy meeting you here! To answer your first 
> question:
>
> In a word,'Yes'.

...or, get OS X under which it runs like silk....then add 128MB anyway.

cheers
David
>
> Best regards,
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From katir at hindu.org  Sun Apr 14 20:11:01 2002
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Sun Apr 14 20:11:01 2002
Subject: Quotes Required Around Keys in 2 Dimensional Arrays?
In-Reply-To: <200204131605.MAA31630@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <B8DF4B91.9E84%katir@hindu.org>

I use arrays mostly in CGI's and have found that quotes are required around
the key to pass its value... but this does not appear to be documented..

in the following example, if I don't quote the key "email" inside the
brackets, nothing is returned. But there is no mention of this in the
documentation... is there something I am missing?


## this is the beginning of a script.cgi that processes
## data submitted by an HTML form by POST:

on startUp
 read from stdin until empty
    put  urlDecode (it)  into tDataIn
    split tDataIn by "&" and "="
    put isWellFormedMailtoScheme (tDataIn ["email"]) into emailCheck
    switch emailCheck
      case "False"
      put badEmail(fixYourEmail) into tResponse
      break     
      case "True"

etc.

#######

Now in the above example, using (tDataIn[email]) will not work...it passes
empty to the email checker which then breaks.

This is not a big deal (putting quotes around the keys) but it was an
unexpected requirement... other posts I have on the MC list and here don't
use quotes... so, am I doing something wrong?

Hinduism Today

Sivakatirswami
Editor's Assistant/Production Manager
katir at hindu.org 
www.HinduismToday.com, www.HimalayanAcademy.com,
www.Gurudeva.org, www.hindu.org

Read The Master Course Lesson of the Day at
http://www.gurudeva.org/lesson.shtml



From shaosean at unitz.ca  Sun Apr 14 20:24:01 2002
From: shaosean at unitz.ca (Shao Sean)
Date: Sun Apr 14 20:24:01 2002
Subject: Quotes Required Around Keys in 2 Dimensional Arrays?
References: <B8DF4B91.9E84%katir@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <006501c1e41b$325696f0$88b15bd1@lanfear>

> Now in the above example, using (tDataIn[email]) will not work...it passes
> empty to the email checker which then breaks.

without the quotes it thinks you're using a variable to say the name of the
key

example:

local vCow, vaAnimalSounds
put "cow" into vCow
put "oink" into vaAnimalSounds["pig"]
put "moo" into vaAnimalSounds["cow"]
put vaAnimalSounds[vCow]  -- displays "moo"
put vaAnimalSounds[cow]  -- displays nothing
put vaAnimalSounds["cow"]  -- displays "moo"


personal i'd really love to have stronger array support (like in PHP or even
REALbasic) as trying to use arrays is very limited (as i've found)..



From dsc at swcp.com  Sun Apr 14 20:38:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sun Apr 14 20:38:01 2002
Subject: Quotes Required Around Keys in 2 Dimensional Arrays?
In-Reply-To: <006501c1e41b$325696f0$88b15bd1@lanfear>
Message-ID: <F39BFD42-5010-11D6-851C-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Sunday, April 14, 2002, at 07:16 PM, Shao Sean wrote:

> personal i'd really love to have stronger array support (like in 
> PHP or even
> REALbasic) as trying to use arrays is very limited (as i've found)..

I haven't used arrays yet, but expect to.  I'm curious as to what 
you mean.  Are there limits on the size of data or keys?  Are there 
limits on the array size?  Is array manipulation slow, making your 
array functions slow?

Dar Scott



From shaosean at unitz.ca  Sun Apr 14 20:50:01 2002
From: shaosean at unitz.ca (Shao Sean)
Date: Sun Apr 14 20:50:01 2002
Subject: Quotes Required Around Keys in 2 Dimensional Arrays?
References: <F39BFD42-5010-11D6-851C-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <007301c1e41e$dc79dbd0$88b15bd1@lanfear>

* multi-dimension array are weird, especially when you're trying to loop
through them
* i haven't successfully been able to pass an array as a parameter to a
function/handler (if someone has, please let me know how)

after those i really haven't even touched arrays until yesterday for the
project we're working on, but the array is a simple one-dimension array, but
there is one piece of the puzzle where passing multi-dimension arrays would
be very handy..



From drvaughan55 at mac.com  Sun Apr 14 21:28:01 2002
From: drvaughan55 at mac.com (David Vaughan)
Date: Sun Apr 14 21:28:01 2002
Subject: Quotes Required Around Keys in 2 Dimensional Arrays?
In-Reply-To: <007301c1e41e$dc79dbd0$88b15bd1@lanfear>
Message-ID: <EB005A78-5017-11D6-AF9E-000393598038@mac.com>

On Monday, April 15, 2002, at 11:42 , Shao Sean wrote:

> * multi-dimension array are weird, especially when you're trying to loop
> through them
> * i haven't successfully been able to pass an array as a parameter to a
> function/handler (if someone has, please let me know how)

This script passes an array as parameter to another handler. Is there 
something different you are after (other than less silly programs of 
course)?

on mouseUp
   put "moo" into ansn["cow"]
   put "miaow" into ansn["cat"]
   put "woof" into ansn["dog"]
   freddo ansn
end mouseUp

on freddo frog
   put frog["cat"]
end freddo
   -- puts miaow in the message box

>
> after those i really haven't even touched arrays until yesterday for the
> project we're working on, but the array is a simple one-dimension 
> array, but
> there is one piece of the puzzle where passing multi-dimension arrays 
> would
> be very handy..
Rev uses content-addressable arrays. To create a multi-dimensional array 
just enter two keys. For example:
on mouseUp
   put "moo" into ansn["cat",1]
   put "miaow" into ansn["cat",2]
   put "woof" into ansn["cat",3]
   freddo ansn
end mouseUp

on freddo frog
   ask "enter 1-3"
   put frog["cat",it]
end freddo

Actually, it is still a single dimensional array with an extended key 
but it looks and works like a multi-dimensional one...

cheers
David

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From shaosean at unitz.ca  Sun Apr 14 21:34:01 2002
From: shaosean at unitz.ca (Shao Sean)
Date: Sun Apr 14 21:34:01 2002
Subject: Quotes Required Around Keys in 2 Dimensional Arrays?
References: <EB005A78-5017-11D6-AF9E-000393598038@mac.com>
Message-ID: <00b401c1e424$f973dc80$88b15bd1@lanfear>

> This script passes an array as parameter to another handler. Is there
> something different you are after (other than less silly programs of
> course)?

unless i was doing something completely different, it didn't work for me
(i'll test in a bit and if it works they i'll be happier than a pig in mud
;-)


> Actually, it is still a single dimensional array with an extended key
> but it looks and works like a multi-dimensional one...

i'll answer about multi-dimensions in a short while, just got a new build of
the project and am all giddy to test =)



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Mon Apr 15 01:47:00 2002
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Mon Apr 15 01:47:00 2002
Subject: RevPrinttext
Message-ID: <p05100300b8e0269af7a5@[10.0.1.202]>

Hi,

Is it possible, when using revprinttext to choose the font in which 
the text will be printed ?

Thanks.
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From jeanne at runrev.com  Mon Apr 15 03:44:00 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Mon Apr 15 03:44:00 2002
Subject: Quotes Required Around Keys in 2 Dimensional Arrays?
In-Reply-To: <B8DF4B91.9E84%katir@hindu.org>
References: <200204131605.MAA31630@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <v0313033fb8e0069fa5a9@[216.99.192.102]>

At 6:06 PM -0700 4/14/2002, Sivakatirswami wrote:
>I use arrays mostly in CGI's and have found that quotes are required around
>the key to pass its value... but this does not appear to be documented.

As far as I've been able to tell, key names are treated like literals -
which is to say that it's not an absolute requirement that they be quoted,
but you'll get problems if one is a variable name or reserved word, so it's
much better style to quote them.

I'll put a note in appropriate spots in the documentation to clarify this.

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From jeanne at runrev.com  Mon Apr 15 03:44:25 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Mon Apr 15 03:44:25 2002
Subject: RevPrinttext
In-Reply-To: <p05100300b8e0269af7a5@[10.0.1.202]>
Message-ID: <v03130341b8e03aa3de51@[216.99.192.102]>

At 11:43 PM -0700 4/14/2002, yves COPPE wrote:
>Is it possible, when using revprinttext to choose the font in which
>the text will be printed ?

Yes. There is an undocumented fourth parameter to revPrintText, which is a
field reference. The font, size, and style are taken from this field. For
example, suppose you have a field named "Big Font" that's 24-point Geneva
bold, and you want to print text in 24-point Geneva bold. The following
command will do this:

  revPrintText "Some Text","Header Text","Footer Text", \
     the long name of field "Big Font"

As with revPrintField, you must use an expression that evaluates to a field
reference, not a field reference itself. For example, this will not work:
  revPrintText "Some Text","header","footer",field "Big Font"

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From mdmays at airmail.net  Mon Apr 15 06:21:01 2002
From: mdmays at airmail.net (Michael D Mays)
Date: Mon Apr 15 06:21:01 2002
Subject: Week number
In-Reply-To: <p05100302b8deeeb8154b@[10.0.1.201]>
Message-ID: <B8E020E1.5BE09%mdmays@airmail.net>

Weeks are always seven days or 604800 seconds.

You can find the seconds for the first day of any year by doing this
(theYear is the year you are working in)
  put theYear&",1,1,0,0,0" into theYear
  convert theYear to seconds

Next you can find the seconds for the date you have in question (theDay is
the day in question and theMonth is the month in question)
  put theYear&","&themonth&","&theDay&","0,0,0" into theDate
  convert theDate to seconds

Now figure out how many weeks between the first day of the year and the date
you have in question
  put ((theDate-theMonth) div 604800) +1 into theWeeks

If the first day of the year is a Mon then the above calculates a week from
Mon to Sun as a week. If the first day of the year is a Thus the above
calculates a week from Thus to Wed and so on.

If you want the week to begin on a particular day you need to know the day
of the week the year begins. The following handler is 'hard wired' for a Mon
to Sun week and uses the above information to calculate the week number:

on mouseUp
  ask "What date?"
  convert it to dateItems
  put it into yearStart
  put "1,1" into item 2 to 3 of yearStart
  convert yearStart to dateItems
  put (item 7 yearStart-1)* 86400 into dayDif
  convert yearStart to seconds
  convert it to seconds
  answer "Week"&&(it-yearStart+dayDif)/86400  div 7 +1&&"of the year."
end mouseUp

If you want to change the day the week starts then a more general solution
for dayDif is needed.

You don't need to worry about leap year or how many days are in a month. The
convert function and the length of a week in seconds takes care of this
naturally. 

michael

yves COPPE of yvescoppe at skynet.be wrote the following on 4/14/02 3:34 AM

>> This is my last whack at it.. there's definitely got to be a better
>> way. But these seems to work.
>> Just specify your month, day & year in the first few lines...
>> 
>> on mouseup
>>  put the seconds into nowSecs
>>  put "12" into theMonth
>>  put "31" into theDay
>>  put "2002" into theYear
>>  put "no" into leapThisYear
>>  if "." is not in theYear/4 then
>>   put "yes" into leapThisYear
>>   if "." is in theYear/100 then
>>    put "no" into leapThisYear
>>    if "." is not in theYear/2000 then
>>     put "yes" into leapThisYear
>>    end if
>>   end if
>>  end if
>> if theMonth>01 then add 31 to dayCount
>> if th



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Mon Apr 15 06:56:01 2002
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Mon Apr 15 06:56:01 2002
Subject: Week number
In-Reply-To: <B8E020E1.5BE09%mdmays@airmail.net>
References: <B8E020E1.5BE09%mdmays@airmail.net>
Message-ID: <p05100300b8e06ee4f3a3@[10.0.1.202]>

>Weeks are always seven days or 604800 seconds.
>
>You can find the seconds for the first day of any year by doing this
>(theYear is the year you are working in)
>   put theYear&",1,1,0,0,0" into theYear
>   convert theYear to seconds
>
>Next you can find the seconds for the date you have in question (theDay is
>the day in question and theMonth is the month in question)
>   put theYear&","&themonth&","&theDay&","0,0,0" into theDate
>   convert theDate to seconds
>
>Now figure out how many weeks between the first day of the year and the date
>you have in question
>   put ((theDate-theMonth) div 604800) +1 into theWeeks
>
>If the first day of the year is a Mon then the above calculates a week from
>Mon to Sun as a week. If the first day of the year is a Thus the above
>calculates a week from Thus to Wed and so on.
>
>If you want the week to begin on a particular day you need to know the day
>of the week the year begins. The following handler is 'hard wired' for a Mon
>to Sun week and uses the above information to calculate the week number:
>
>on mouseUp
>   ask "What date?"
>   convert it to dateItems
>   put it into yearStart
>   put "1,1" into item 2 to 3 of yearStart
>   convert yearStart to dateItems
>   put (item 7 yearStart-1)* 86400 into dayDif
>   convert yearStart to seconds
>   convert it to seconds
>   answer "Week"&&(it-yearStart+dayDif)/86400  div 7 +1&&"of the year."
>end mouseUp
>
>If you want to change the day the week starts then a more general solution
>for dayDif is needed.
>
>You don't need to worry about leap year or how many days are in a month. The
>convert function and the length of a week in seconds takes care of this
>naturally.
>
>michael
>


I have a problem with the convert command :
if you use a european format of date and ask "convert", it cannot work

for example :

today
  US : 04/15/2002
Eur : 15/04/2002

when you ask what date and answer : 15/04/2002 : the script cannot run to end.

what to do ??
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From themacguy at mac.com  Mon Apr 15 08:32:01 2002
From: themacguy at mac.com (Barry Levine)
Date: Mon Apr 15 08:32:01 2002
Subject: Text-to-Speech
In-Reply-To: <200204150745.DAA13658@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <58FC456C-5074-11D6-B581-003065BC131C@mac.com>

Ken,

I was not 100% clear about what the developer was going to do. The sound 
files he is going to create are for a relatively simple educational 
game. The "sounds" are actual words or phrases and they will be linked 
to specific fields containing those specific words or phrases. This 
means that what he is doing is not really "text-to-speech" but just 
playing pre-existing sound files based upon some programmatical logic.

However, your mom's situation can be addressed using the text-to-speech 
external on a Mac. Why not get her a Mac?

Barry
--------------
On Monday, April 15, 2002, at 01:45  AM, use-revolution-
request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

> My mom has macular degeneration and can't see the computer screen well
> enough to see her email, which she regularly gets from the family 
> members.
> This means she won't get her mail until someone comes and D/L's it and 
> reads
> it to her.
>
> I want to write a RR program that imports the email text and reads it 
> aloud
> to her. She's used to this sort of thing from using 'Books on tape' and 
> can
> probably do it herself if someone can set the computer to run email 
> from a
> single key, and the RR program from another key.
>
> If your friend's developer can show us how to make this happen using 
> real
> sound files, he may be able to bank a whole lot of moola in a hurry. I'd
> give him $200 right now if he can show me how to make that happen.
>
> Best regards,
> Ken N.
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From kurtkaufman at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 15 09:51:01 2002
From: kurtkaufman at hotmail.com (Kurt Kaufman)
Date: Mon Apr 15 09:51:01 2002
Subject: TTS, RR and OS X
Message-ID: <F2515vNkfdpdLLe3N4v000020b4@hotmail.com>

Please forgive me if this is gradually becoming a bit off-topic. As someone 
who has worked a bit (using SuperCard) with the speech "in-line" commands-

http://homepage.mac.com/usefulsoftware/

then click on the "SimpleSong" link

-I have since noted OS X apparently "chokes" on extended spoken strings, 
whereas the same string will function as expected in OS 9.  To illustrate, 
play one of the "songs" in OS 9 SimpleText or even via "Classic" (although 
the performance is somewhat degraded in Classic, at least on a 500 mHz 2001 
iBook), and the complete extended string is "sung".  Paste the same into a 
RR field, then using Applescript OR the available external, and the speech 
garbles and is truncated.  In the case of the external, subsequent calls for 
speech appear to remain garbled. Maybe this has to do with my workaround 
with commas to allow for extended pitch stipulations? (see below, example).  
I'm not sure if email text-wrapping will destroy the necessary formatting, 
but you can try pasting the example "song" below into SimpleText and then 
into a RR field for testing; you'll see what I mean.


[[pmod 0]] [[pbas 59]][[rate 100]]i [[pbas 60]][[rate 300]]would [[pbas 
62]][[rate 100]]while [[pbas 59]][[rate 200]]ah [[pbas 55]][[rate 100]]way 
[[pbas 57]][[rate 200]]the [[pbas 59]][[rate 200]]ow [[pbas 55]][[rate 
50]]ers [[pbas 57]][[rate 200]]cuhn [[pbas 59]][[rate 100]]vir [[pbas 
55]][[rate 200]]sing [[pbas 52]][[rate 100]]with [[pbas 54]][[rate 200]]the 
[[pbas 55]][[rate 200]]flauw [[pbas 52]][[rate 50]]ers [[pbas 50]][[rate 
200]]cun [[pbas 50]][[rate 100]]sult [[pbas 50]][[rate 200]]ting [[pbas 
50]][[rate 100]]with [[pbas 50]][[rate 200]]the [[pbas 50]][[rate 50]]rain 
[[cmnt]] [[slnc 500]] [[cmnt]] [[slnc 500]] [[cmnt]] [[slnc 500]] [[pbas 
55]][[rate 100]]and [[pbas 54]][[rate 200]]my [[pbas 52]][[rate 50]]head 
[[pbas 64]][[rate 100]]ide [[pbas 62]][[rate 200]]be [[pbas 60]][[rate 
100]]scrat [[pbas 59]][[rate 200]]chin [[pbas 57]][[rate 100]]while [[rate 
10000]]u, [[pbas 55]][[rate 200]]my [[pbas 54]][[rate 100]]thoughts [[pbas 
54]][[rate 200]]were [[pbas 66]][[rate 100]]biz [[pbas 64]][[rate 200]]zee 
[[pbas 62]][[rate 100]]hatch [[pbas 60]][[rate 200]]chin [[pbas 59]][[rate 
100]]if [[pbas 57]][[rate 200]]i [[pbas 55]][[rate 100]]own [[pbas 
55]][[rate 200]]lee [[pbas 55]][[rate 200]]had [[pbas 55]][[rate 200]]ah 
[[pbas 55]][[rate 25]]brain


I suppose the problem lies with OS X and not with RR, since both OS X 
Applescript and external exhibit similar behavior.

-Kurt


_________________________________________________________________
Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com



From michael at GreppyDreppies.com  Mon Apr 15 10:21:01 2002
From: michael at GreppyDreppies.com (Michael D Mays)
Date: Mon Apr 15 10:21:01 2002
Subject: Week number
In-Reply-To: <p05100300b8e06ee4f3a3@[10.0.1.202]>
Message-ID: <B8E05920.5C022%michael@GreppyDreppies.com>

yves COPPE of yvescoppe at skynet.be wrote the following on 4/15/02 6:52 AM

> when you ask what date and answer : 15/04/2002 : the script cannot run to end.
> 
> what to do ??
My bet is your system date format is not set to DD/MM/YYYY or Revolution
wants the date to be "MM/DD/YYYY. If your system date format is set to
DD/MM/YYYY then you will need to write a function which populates the
dateitems. EG if the date is 15/4/2002 then substitute these lines for the
first convert statement:
on mouseUp
 ask "What date?"
 put the itemDelimiter into oldID
 set the itemDelimiter to "/"
 put item 3 of it into theYear
 put item 2 of it into theMonth
 put item1 of it into theDay
 set the itemDelimiter to oldID
 get theYear&","&theMonth&","&theDay
 put it into yearStart
 put "1,1" into item 2 to 3 of yearStart
 convert yearStart to dateItems
 put (item 7 yearStart-1)* 86400 into dayDif
 convert yearStart to seconds
 convert it to seconds
 answer "Week"&&(it-yearStart+dayDif)/86400  div 7 +1&&"of the year."
end mouseUp

michael



From JacksHyperInfo at aol.com  Mon Apr 15 10:35:02 2002
From: JacksHyperInfo at aol.com (JacksHyperInfo at aol.com)
Date: Mon Apr 15 10:35:02 2002
Subject: missing JPG. images
Message-ID: <7CD2F723.3B5E8908.F9E90534@aol.com>

I have built both a stack and a standalone application that contain jpg images.  They look fine on the original build but when I transfer them to another computer the images are missing. Why aren't images saved as a permanent part of the file or standalone?

jack


From pixelbird at interisland.net  Mon Apr 15 11:47:01 2002
From: pixelbird at interisland.net (Ken Norris (dialup))
Date: Mon Apr 15 11:47:01 2002
Subject: Text-to-Speech
In-Reply-To: <58FC456C-5074-11D6-B581-003065BC131C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B8E05284.2F14%pixelbird@interisland.net>

on 4/15/02 6:26 AM, Barry Levine at themacguy at mac.com wrote:

> I was not 100% clear about what the developer was going to do. The sound
> files he is going to create are for a relatively simple educational
> game. The "sounds" are actual words or phrases and they will be linked
> to specific fields containing those specific words or phrases. This
> means that what he is doing is not really "text-to-speech" but just
> playing pre-existing sound files based upon some programmatical logic.
----------
I was pretty sure about that.
----------
> However, your mom's situation can be addressed using the text-to-speech
> external on a Mac. Why not get her a Mac?
----------
That's a good idea in my opinion, but another choice may be to record
messages into a compressed format and send it as an attachment. But that
would mean a little extra work on both ends, the right software, etc.

Thank you,
Ken N.



From lrivers at realsoftware.com  Mon Apr 15 11:50:01 2002
From: lrivers at realsoftware.com (Lorin Rivers)
Date: Mon Apr 15 11:50:01 2002
Subject: Is revolution right for my project?
In-Reply-To: <200204121951.PAA11397@www.runrev.com>
References: <200204121951.PAA11397@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a0510151fb8e0b29106de@[10.0.1.9]>

>I am looking to develop a fairly advanced email application with builtin
>spam filtering, etc.  I am new to desktop application programming and
>looking at learning runtime revolution or realbasic most likely.  I
>currently know perl and php, so I am not completely new to programming.
>
>My question is... are there any components that deal with the smtp, pop3,
>and imap protocols that can be used with runtime revolution. I was only able
>to find this on the SMTP and POP3 protocols for revolution.
>http://dark.unitz.ca/~shaosean/  It looks like he is still working on
>them...  Has anyone developed these protocols?  I wasn't really looking to
>do the low level part of the programming dealing with the sockets themselves
>as this would probably take me longer than the program itself...  However if
>I did decide to work on this... Is there aywhere I could look for
>information on developing these?

There are also pop3 and smtp classes for REALbasic on our ftp server:

<ftp://ftp.realsoftware.com/CodeExamples/Sockets_Serials/E-Mail/>

>In general I like the programming environment of revolution and I definitely
>like the fact that the application can be built for multiple platforms.  I
>also like the fact that it can make use of regular expressions.  Which is a
>big part of perl and I would need for many features I intend to implement...
>Can my application be developed with runtime revolution or would I be better
>looking at a different solution?

REALbasic compiles native, double-clickable single-file executables 
for Mac, Mac OS X, and Windows. Our RegEx engine is PCRE.

>Also is there any information on the speed in which revolution can process
>info with regular expressions?  I guess I could write something in perl and
>then write it in revolution and test the speeds but I was wondering if
>anyone had already done this?  Also once an application is developed in
>general is the compiled program faster in revolution or realbasic?  Sorry
>for all the newbie questions....

I believe that while REALbasic compiles, Runtime does not. REALbasic 
is royalty free as well.

>Thanks for any info,
>-Delay

-- 
/NOTE: NEW ADDRESS & PHONE/
Lorin Rivers                      mailto:lrivers at realsoftware.com
Vice President of Marketing       512.328.REAL (7325) x712 v
REAL Software                     512.328.7372 f
1705 South Capital of Texas Hwy.  http://www.realsoftware.com
Suite 310                         REALbasic: the powerful, easy-to-use
Austin, Texas 78746               tool for creating your own software
                                   for Macintosh, Mac OS X, and Windows.


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Apr 15 12:21:00 2002
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon Apr 15 12:21:00 2002
Subject: missing JPG. images
References: <7CD2F723.3B5E8908.F9E90534@aol.com>
Message-ID: <003b01c1e4a0$ef8e1150$7c00a8c0@mckinley.dom>

Jack,

Most likely you did not fully import them, but imported a *reference* to
them. This is the distiction between the "Import As Control" and "New
Referenced Control" options in the File menu in Rev. The first will import
it completely, the second will link an image object in your stack to the JPG
on disk. A simple way to see if this is the case is to open up the
properties palette for an image and go to the Image tab. If the field "Link
to File" is not empty, you are linking out to your JPGs on disk. If it *is*
empty, then you have embedded the picture.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: <JacksHyperInfo at aol.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 10:31 AM
Subject: missing JPG. images


> I have built both a stack and a standalone application that contain jpg
images.  They look fine on the original build but when I transfer them to
another computer the images are missing. Why aren't images saved as a
permanent part of the file or standalone?
>
> jack
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Mon Apr 15 12:35:01 2002
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Mon Apr 15 12:35:01 2002
Subject: Week number
In-Reply-To: <B8E05920.5C022%michael@GreppyDreppies.com>
References: <B8E05920.5C022%michael@GreppyDreppies.com>
Message-ID: <p05100300b8e0bdfd8905@[10.0.1.202]>

>yves COPPE of yvescoppe at skynet.be wrote the following on 4/15/02 6:52 AM
>
>>  when you ask what date and answer : 15/04/2002 : the script cannot 
>>run to end.
>>
>>  what to do ??
>My bet is your system date format is not set to DD/MM/YYYY or Revolution
>wants the date to be "MM/DD/YYYY. If your system date format is set to
>DD/MM/YYYY then you will need to write a function which populates the
>dateitems. EG if the date is 15/4/2002 then substitute these lines for the
>first convert statement:
>on mouseUp
>  ask "What date?"
>  put the itemDelimiter into oldID
>  set the itemDelimiter to "/"
>  put item 3 of it into theYear
>  put item 2 of it into theMonth
>  put item1 of it into theDay
>  set the itemDelimiter to oldID
>  get theYear&","&theMonth&","&theDay
>  put it into yearStart
>  put "1,1" into item 2 to 3 of yearStart
>  convert yearStart to dateItems
>  put (item 7 yearStart-1)* 86400 into dayDif
>  convert yearStart to seconds
>  convert it to seconds
>  answer "Week"&&(it-yearStart+dayDif)/86400  div 7 +1&&"of the year."
>end mouseUp
>
>michael
>




In fact I see with the debugger I have another problem :

when i creta a btn with

on mouseUp
put "2002,04,15"  into tmp
convert tmp to dateitems
answer tmp # gives : "2002,04,15"
convert tmp to seconds
answer tmp # gives : "2002,04,15"
end mouseUp

So your code doesn't work.

i always stay with "2002,04,15" without any conversion.

So it is  not a problem of date format (DD/MM/YYYY or MM/DD/YYYY)
but the convert command doesn't work correctly for me.
It must be a bug because your code works fine in hypercard !!
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From tnally at aga-engineers.com  Mon Apr 15 12:49:01 2002
From: tnally at aga-engineers.com (Tomas Nally)
Date: Mon Apr 15 12:49:01 2002
Subject: Is revolution right for my project?
Message-ID: <790DC7E6CB96224DBC5D5D7F8AA92BDD1B66B6@bigez.aga-engineers.com>

somebody wrote:

>However if I did decide to work on this... Is there aywhere I could look for
>information on developing these?

to which Lorin Rivers lrivers@<ourcompany>.com replied:

>There are also pop3 and smtp classes for <our product> on our ftp server:
<ftp://ftp.{snipped}.com/


Amazing!  Can advertising and promotion be any more cost-effective
than when you use the communcation vehicles paid for by the SWEAT
OF YOUR COMPETITORS to hock your own product?

Perhaps if Lorin responds to every post, he can drive his company's
advertising costs down to zero!


Tom Nally, New Orleans




From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Mon Apr 15 13:43:01 2002
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Mon Apr 15 13:43:01 2002
Subject: Is revolution right for my project?
In-Reply-To: <012801c1e24d$edeebd90$2d9b9b3f@750laptop>
References: <012801c1e24d$edeebd90$2d9b9b3f@750laptop>
Message-ID: <a05100307b8e0cb70c9df@[206.117.139.34]>

At 1:14 PM -0500 4/12/02, delay wrote:
>I am looking to develop a fairly advanced email application with builtin
>spam filtering, etc.  I am new to desktop application programming and
>looking at learning runtime revolution or realbasic most likely.  I
>currently know perl and php, so I am not completely new to programming.
>
>My question is... are there any components that deal with the smtp, pop3,
>and imap protocols that can be used with runtime revolution. I was only able
>to find this on the SMTP and POP3 protocols for revolution.
>http://dark.unitz.ca/~shaosean/  It looks like he is still working on
>them...  Has anyone developed these protocols?  I wasn't really looking to
>do the low level part of the programming dealing with the sockets themselves
>as this would probably take me longer than the program itself...  However if
>I did decide to work on this... Is there aywhere I could look for
>information on developing these?

As far as I know, those are the best examples of the protocols. I've seen other examples of Shao Sean's work, and the code is extremely clean and well-thought-out, so I would expect the same with the SMTP and POP3 clients. By the way, I wouldn't worry too much about digging in to the protocols -- generally they're fairly straightforward and well-documented. The RFCs are the place to start.

>In general I like the programming environment of revolution and I definitely
>like the fact that the application can be built for multiple platforms.  I
>also like the fact that it can make use of regular expressions.  Which is a
>big part of perl and I would need for many features I intend to implement...
>Can my application be developed with runtime revolution or would I be better
>looking at a different solution?

Revolution is an excellent candidate for such a solution, for exactly the reasons you've already mentioned.

>Also is there any information on the speed in which revolution can process
>info with regular expressions?  I guess I could write something in perl and
>then write it in revolution and test the speeds but I was wondering if
>anyone had already done this?  Also once an application is developed in
>general is the compiled program faster in revolution or realbasic?  Sorry
>for all the newbie questions....

I haven't done any benchmarks of Revolution vs. Perl, but Revolution is, in general, very fast. I would expect it to hold its own against Perl. Regarding Revolution vs. REALbasic I have done some benchmarks. It depends on the solution being developed. There are areas where REALbasic is faster. Text manipulation certainly isn't one of them. For a program like this, you're better off with Revolution.

Disclaimer: I'm biased. I'm also honest. The above is verifiable.
-- 

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com



From derekbronston at earthlink.net  Mon Apr 15 13:51:01 2002
From: derekbronston at earthlink.net (Derek)
Date: Mon Apr 15 13:51:01 2002
Subject: re dynamic pop ups 
Message-ID: <B8E0993F.2677%derekbronston@earthlink.net>


Hello ,

question , I want to populate pop up menus dynamically from data i have
stored in a data file , how to do this?? is there a tutorial out there about
this or does anyone know off hand /

Thanks

derek




From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Apr 15 13:53:01 2002
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon Apr 15 13:53:01 2002
Subject: Is revolution right for my project?
References: <790DC7E6CB96224DBC5D5D7F8AA92BDD1B66B6@bigez.aga-engineers.com>
Message-ID: <005901c1e4ad$e802b050$7c00a8c0@mckinley.dom>

Now, now...

To be fair, the original post said:

>I am looking to develop a fairly advanced email application with builtin
>spam filtering, etc.  I am new to desktop application programming and
>looking at learning runtime revolution or realbasic most likely.

Note "revolution or realbasic most likely". I'm no fan of RealBasic, but
IMHO it was OK for for Lorin to respond to this. He has not provided
unsolicited advertisement for RealBasic on this list (AFAIK), and has only
been responding to posts that included "RealBasic" in them.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tomas Nally" <tnally at aga-engineers.com>
To: "Revolution-Use" <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: Is revolution right for my project?


> somebody wrote:
>
> >However if I did decide to work on this... Is there aywhere I could look
for
> >information on developing these?
>
> to which Lorin Rivers lrivers@<ourcompany>.com replied:
>
> >There are also pop3 and smtp classes for <our product> on our ftp server:
> <ftp://ftp.{snipped}.com/
>
>
> Amazing!  Can advertising and promotion be any more cost-effective
> than when you use the communcation vehicles paid for by the SWEAT
> OF YOUR COMPETITORS to hock your own product?
>
> Perhaps if Lorin responds to every post, he can drive his company's
> advertising costs down to zero!
>
>
> Tom Nally, New Orleans
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution




From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Apr 15 14:38:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon Apr 15 14:38:01 2002
Subject: Is revolution right for my project?
In-Reply-To: <a05100307b8e0cb70c9df@[206.117.139.34]>
Message-ID: <BDFCFFF8-50A7-11D6-90BC-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Monday, April 15, 2002, at 12:39 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote:

> As far as I know, those are the best examples of the protocols. 
> I've seen other examples of Shao Sean's work, and the code is 
> extremely clean and well-thought-out, so I would expect the same 
> with the SMTP and POP3 clients. By the way, I wouldn't worry too 
> much about digging in to the protocols -- generally they're fairly 
> straightforward and well-documented. The RFCs are the place to 
> start.

I agree.  I'm looking at the RFCs for a project I'm working on 
today.  However, if the "advanced mail application" will have SSL 
and authentication options, those should be added after some 
experience.

Folks should look for Shao Sean's mail stacks at runrev; the other 
location mentioned by Delay does not seem to have them.

> I haven't done any benchmarks of Revolution vs. Perl, but 
> Revolution is, in general, very fast. I would expect it to hold 
> its own against Perl. Regarding Revolution vs. REALbasic I have 
> done some benchmarks. It depends on the solution being developed. 
> There are areas where REALbasic is faster. Text manipulation 
> certainly isn't one of them. For a program like this, you're 
> better off with Revolution.
>
Yes.  Benchmarks are the right way to compare speed.  I don't thing 
the comparison of compiled vs not compiled is that useful.  
Compiled code can be inefficient and might simply call a sequence 
of way-too-general functions.  Interpreted code can be optimized 
and (in the case of FORTH-like interpreters in some environments) 
very fast.

Here is how long it takes to do some simple things in Revolution on 
my 300 MHz Blue and White:
(locals: a and b are numbers, n is "0.000009", leta is "a"; us 
means microsecond(s); test is a trivial handler.)
   --put (a * b) into x  -- 6 us
   --put (empty & empty) into x -- 7 us
   --put (a & empty) into x -- 185 us (about 180 us to convert 
number to string)
   --put (a & "a") into x -- 185 us
   --put empty into x  -- 3.1 us
   --put a into x  -- 2.7 us
   --put "a" into x  -- 2.7 us
   --put a + n into x -- 40 us (includes converting string to number)
   --put n into x -- 3.1 us
   --put a + b into x  -- 6 us
   --put leta into x  -- 3.1 us
   --put leta after leta  -- 5 us
   --put leta into field "ms"  -- 8.4 ms <-- note units
   --put n into field "ms"  -- 8.4 ms <--
   --set the backgroundColor of field "ms" to yellow -- 12.5 ms <--
   --open datagram socket to "10.0.0.1:12347" -- 350 us (14 us on 
failure)
   --put "a" into x["a"] -- 16 us
   --test -- 17 us
   --send "test" -- 23 us typ
   --send "test" to me -- 26 us typ
   --send "test" to me in 200 milliseconds -- 23 us typ
   --send "test" to me in 0.2 seconds -- 26 us typ
   --select button "first" -- 95 ms <--  (hint, hint)

This is the time in the handler.  Many of these will use processor 
time out of the handler.

With speeds like these, what do I care about compiled or not?

Dar Scott







From shaosean at unitz.ca  Mon Apr 15 15:02:01 2002
From: shaosean at unitz.ca (Shao Sean)
Date: Mon Apr 15 15:02:01 2002
Subject: Week number
References: <B8E05920.5C022%michael@GreppyDreppies.com> <p05100300b8e0bdfd8905@[10.0.1.202]>
Message-ID: <000d01c1e4b7$5f4e2730$88b15bd1@lanfear>

> on mouseUp
> put "2002,04,15"  into tmp
> convert tmp to dateitems
> answer tmp # gives : "2002,04,15"
> convert tmp to seconds
> answer tmp # gives : "2002,04,15"
> end mouseUp

the format you have chosen to use is in the dateItems format and i believe
you need to pass all 7 items..

put "2002,4,15,0,0,0,0" into tmp

also, if you're trying to convert non-US dates, try using the "system"
modifier

convert "15/4/2002" to dateItems -- US date
convert "4/15/2002" from short system date to dateItems -- non-US date



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Mon Apr 15 15:03:01 2002
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon Apr 15 15:03:01 2002
Subject: Is revolution right for my project?
In-Reply-To: <a0510151fb8e0b29106de@[10.0.1.9]>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0204151258150.25525-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Doesn't Rev compile on-the-fly like Hypercard?  And when saved as a
standalone, doesn't this mean the file is compiled into an executable?

Judy

On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Lorin Rivers wrote:

> I believe that while REALbasic compiles, Runtime does not. REALbasic
> is royalty free as well.



From tbandi at swissonline.ch  Mon Apr 15 15:04:01 2002
From: tbandi at swissonline.ch (Till Bandi)
Date: Mon Apr 15 15:04:01 2002
Subject: Week number
In-Reply-To: <p05100300b8e06ee4f3a3@[10.0.1.202]>
Message-ID: <38193632-50AB-11D6-AEB1-003065C286B0@swissonline.ch>

it seems to me that you did not use the useSystemDate
(put line << set the useSystemDate to true>> in the handler before you 
start to convert.)

That should solve your problems

Till

Am Montag den, 15. April 2002, um 13:52, schrieb yves COPPE:
>
> I have a problem with the convert command :
> if you use a european format of date and ask "convert", it cannot work
>
> for example :
>
> today
>  US : 04/15/2002
> Eur : 15/04/2002
>
> when you ask what date and answer : 15/04/2002 : the script cannot run 
> to end.
>
> what to do ??
> -- Greetings.
>
> Yves COPPE
>
> Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Mon Apr 15 15:04:10 2002
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Mon Apr 15 15:04:10 2002
Subject: Is revolution right for my project?
In-Reply-To: <790DC7E6CB96224DBC5D5D7F8AA92BDD1B66B6@bigez.aga-engineers.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0204151259190.25525-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

He won't have been the first...  You should have seen 'the competition'
(not necessarily Rev) on the Hypercard and Supercard lists... And probably
a few others from what I've heard.

Judy

On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Tomas Nally wrote:

> Amazing!  Can advertising and promotion be any more cost-effective
> than when you use the communcation vehicles paid for by the SWEAT
> OF YOUR COMPETITORS to hock your own product?



From michael at GreppyDreppies.com  Mon Apr 15 15:12:01 2002
From: michael at GreppyDreppies.com (Michael D Mays)
Date: Mon Apr 15 15:12:01 2002
Subject: Week number
In-Reply-To: <p05100300b8e0bdfd8905@[10.0.1.202]>
Message-ID: <B8E09D5E.5C2B5%michael@GreppyDreppies.com>

yves COPPE of yvescoppe at skynet.be wrote the following on 4/15/02 12:31 PM

> on mouseUp
> put "2002,04,15"  into tmp
> convert tmp to dateitems
> answer tmp # gives : "2002,04,15"
> convert tmp to seconds
> answer tmp # gives : "2002,04,15"
> end mouseUp

Shao Sean pointed out the error in my dateItem construction
 get theYear&","&theMOnth&","&theDay&",0,0,0,0"
should work and if you substitute where needed
 convert "4/15/2002" from short system date to dateItems
in the orginal handler you want have to build the dateItems string.

michael



From k_major at osnabrueck.netsurf.de  Mon Apr 15 15:18:01 2002
From: k_major at osnabrueck.netsurf.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Mon Apr 15 15:18:01 2002
Subject: re dynamic pop ups 
In-Reply-To: <B8E0993F.2677%derekbronston@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <8643FF7B-50AD-11D6-B4D3-000A27B49A96@osnabrueck.netsurf.de>

Hi Derek,

> Hello ,
>
> question , I want to populate pop up menus dynamically from data i have
> stored in a data file , how to do this?? is there a tutorial out there 
> about
> this or does anyone know off hand /
>
> Thanks
>
> derek

this is an easy one ;-)

Just "put" your data into the button that acts as a popup.

Example:

on mouseenter
   put yourdata into bnt "yourpopup"
end mouseenter

RR is fast enough, so the button will popup "filled" :-)

Hope this helps...


Regards

Klaus Major
k_major at osnabrueck.netsurf.de



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 15 15:29:01 2002
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon Apr 15 15:29:01 2002
Subject: FTP port ?
In-Reply-To: <000d01c1e4b7$5f4e2730$88b15bd1@lanfear>
Message-ID: <20020415202510.62794.qmail@web11905.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi all,

I seem to have run into a snag with RR and its
internet features.

I'm trying to build a remote text file editor, and
part of the interface will be a browser allowing
people to edit certain files on a remote server.

Therefor, I need to download a filelist of a directory
on a remote server via FTP.
Hence I used:

  put URL "ftp://<name>:<paswd>@<server-url>:3001/"
into fld "Browser"

As you can see, the ftp-server runs on a different
port than the standard port, and somehow RR deems that
quite unfunny, as the result is:

  error not a valid port

When I use a different ftp-client, I can acces files
and folders at that port on that server, so that's not
the issue.

Is this a limitation / bug and (perhaps more
important) is there a way to circumvent this ?

Best regards,

Jan Schenkel.

"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and mor foolish
at the same time."  (De Rochefoucald)

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From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Mon Apr 15 15:43:01 2002
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Mon Apr 15 15:43:01 2002
Subject: Week number
In-Reply-To: <B8E09D5E.5C2B5%michael@GreppyDreppies.com>
References: <B8E09D5E.5C2B5%michael@GreppyDreppies.com>
Message-ID: <p05100300b8e0ea5257cb@[10.0.1.201]>

>yves COPPE of yvescoppe at skynet.be wrote the following on 4/15/02 12:31 PM
>
>  > on mouseUp
>>  put "2002,04,15"  into tmp
>>  convert tmp to dateitems
>>  answer tmp # gives : "2002,04,15"
>>  convert tmp to seconds
>>  answer tmp # gives : "2002,04,15"
>>  end mouseUp
>
>Shao Sean pointed out the error in my dateItem construction
>  get theYear&","&theMOnth&","&theDay&",0,0,0,0"
>should work and if you substitute where needed
>  convert "4/15/2002" from short system date to dateItems
>in the orginal handler you want have to build the dateItems string.
>
>michael
>
>_______________________________________________


THE SOLUTION

ask "What date ?"
if it is empty then exit to top
convert it from short system date to dateItems


and it runs fine

Thanks to all the "helpers"

-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From csilverm at acs.ryerson.ca  Mon Apr 15 16:01:01 2002
From: csilverm at acs.ryerson.ca (Charles Silverman)
Date: Mon Apr 15 16:01:01 2002
Subject: Is revolution right for my project?
In-Reply-To: <200204151944.PAA31658@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <B8E0B6F3.247B%csilverm@acs.ryerson.ca>

If memory serves, Scott of MetaCard was somewhat active on the SuperCard
list back in the days when that list was well-populated, making sure that we
knew what Metacard could do specific to questions that came up regarding
various SuperCard issues. So it goes.


>He won't have been the first...  You should have seen 'the competition'
>(not necessarily Rev) on the Hypercard and Supercard lists... And probably
>a few others from what I've heard.

Judy

On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, Tomas Nally wrote:

>> Amazing!  Can advertising and promotion be any more cost-effective
>> than when you use the communcation vehicles paid for by the SWEAT
>> OF YOUR COMPETITORS to hock your own product?

-Charles Silverman



From kevin at runrev.com  Mon Apr 15 16:15:01 2002
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Mon Apr 15 16:15:01 2002
Subject: Is revolution right for my project?
In-Reply-To: <a0510151fb8e0b29106de@[10.0.1.9]>
Message-ID: <B8E0FDF9.57B9%kevin@runrev.com>

On 15/4/02 4:45 pm, Lorin Rivers <lrivers at realsoftware.com> wrote:

>> In general I like the programming environment of revolution and I definitely
>> like the fact that the application can be built for multiple platforms.  I
>> also like the fact that it can make use of regular expressions.  Which is a
>> big part of perl and I would need for many features I intend to implement...
>> Can my application be developed with runtime revolution or would I be better
>> looking at a different solution?
> 
> REALbasic compiles native, double-clickable single-file executables
> for Mac, Mac OS X, and Windows. Our RegEx engine is PCRE.

Revolution complies native, double-clickable single-file executables for
Mac, Mac OS X, Windows, Linux, Linux PPC, and all popular breeds of Unix,
including Solaris, BSD and more.  It can also run facelessly on all
platforms except Mac OS 9, allowing you to do background tasks such as
server side CGI processing.  Our RegEx engine is has been integrated since
version 1.0.

>> Also is there any information on the speed in which revolution can process
>> info with regular expressions?  I guess I could write something in perl and
>> then write it in revolution and test the speeds but I was wondering if
>> anyone had already done this?  Also once an application is developed in
>> general is the compiled program faster in revolution or realbasic?  Sorry
>> for all the newbie questions....
> 
> I believe that while REALbasic compiles, Runtime does not. REALbasic
> is royalty free as well.

Actually, Revolution does compile.  There are different forms of
compilation, and Revolution is technically a compiled language, not an
interpreted one.  It virtually compiles and is ready to run instantly.  Its
performance is still similar to that of REALBasic.  One or other may be
faster in certain areas, but they are in the same ballpark performance wise.

Revolution also allows editing on all supported platforms, REALBasic does
not.

Revolution is royalty free.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
Tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165.  Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707.



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 15 16:35:01 2002
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon Apr 15 16:35:01 2002
Subject: More: FTP port ?
In-Reply-To: <20020415202510.62794.qmail@web11905.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20020415213109.9798.qmail@web11907.mail.yahoo.com>

> Hi all,
> 
> I seem to have run into a snag with RR and its
> internet features.
> 
> I'm trying to build a remote text file editor, and
> part of the interface will be a browser allowing
> people to edit certain files on a remote server.
> 
> Therefor, I need to download a filelist of a
> directory
> on a remote server via FTP.
> Hence I used:
> 
>   put URL "ftp://<name>:<paswd>@<server-url>:3001/"
> into fld "Browser"

Hmm, this didn't work out quite right if you read your
email via yahoo, so let me reiterate...

   put URL "ftp://[name]:[paswd]@[host]:3001/"
into fld "Browser"

> As you can see, the ftp-server runs on a different
> port than the standard port, and somehow RR deems
> that
> quite unfunny, as the result is:
> 
>   error not a valid port

UPDATE:
When I specify the host by its ip-number, I get the
error that it's not a valid port.
But when I specify the host by its domain name, I get
the error that it's an incorrect login.

The truth of the matter is, that I don't have access
on the standard port, but I do have access on the
other port.

Is there a way to remind RR to take the port number
into account ?

Best regards,

Jan Schenkel.

__________________________________________________
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From derekbronston at earthlink.net  Mon Apr 15 17:18:00 2002
From: derekbronston at earthlink.net (Derek)
Date: Mon Apr 15 17:18:00 2002
Subject: re dynamic pop ups 
In-Reply-To: <8643FF7B-50AD-11D6-B4D3-000A27B49A96@osnabrueck.netsurf.de>
Message-ID: <B8E0C9B9.268C%derekbronston@earthlink.net>

on 4/15/02 1:15 PM, Klaus Major at k_major at osnabrueck.netsurf.de wrote:
Hi Klaus, 
Thanks , that helps, the next problem though is assigning seperate values
that is really what is stumping me.

derek
> Hi Derek,
> 
>> Hello ,
>> 
>> question , I want to populate pop up menus dynamically from data i have
>> stored in a data file , how to do this?? is there a tutorial out there
>> about
>> this or does anyone know off hand /
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> derek
> 
> this is an easy one ;-)
> 
> Just "put" your data into the button that acts as a popup.
> 
> Example:
> 
> on mouseenter
> put yourdata into bnt "yourpopup"
> end mouseenter
> 
> RR is fast enough, so the button will popup "filled" :-)
> 
> Hope this helps...
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Klaus Major
> k_major at osnabrueck.netsurf.de
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Mon Apr 15 18:54:01 2002
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Mon Apr 15 18:54:01 2002
Subject: FTP port ?
In-Reply-To: <20020415202510.62794.qmail@web11905.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20020415202510.62794.qmail@web11905.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p05101500b8e0fdaeceb5@[192.168.123.3]>

At 1:25 pm -0700 15/4/02, Jan Schenkel wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I seem to have run into a snag with RR and its
>internet features.
>
>I'm trying to build a remote text file editor, and
>part of the interface will be a browser allowing
>people to edit certain files on a remote server.
>
>Therefor, I need to download a filelist of a directory
>on a remote server via FTP.
>Hence I used:
>
>   put URL "ftp://<name>:<paswd>@<server-url>:3001/"
>into fld "Browser"
>
>As you can see, the ftp-server runs on a different
>port than the standard port, and somehow RR deems that
>quite unfunny, as the result is:
>
>   error not a valid port
>
>When I use a different ftp-client, I can acces files
>and folders at that port on that server, so that's not
>the issue.
>
>Is this a limitation / bug and (perhaps more
>important) is there a way to circumvent this ?

Unfortunately, it's a current limitation for ftp urls. Only the 
standard ftp port is supported. The only way get round this right now 
is to edit the libUrl library script directly.

Alternative ports for ftp should be supported in a future release.

Cheers
Dave Cragg
(Current libUrl caretaker)




From karlpet at mac.com  Mon Apr 15 20:53:01 2002
From: karlpet at mac.com (Karl Petersen)
Date: Mon Apr 15 20:53:01 2002
Subject: Rev Classic Crashing
In-Reply-To: <B27E76BD-4FBC-11D6-933A-003065847600@cablespeed.com>
References: <B27E76BD-4FBC-11D6-933A-003065847600@cablespeed.com>
Message-ID: <p05100300b8e09f496ce1@[192.168.1.202]>

Yes, John, the RAM allocation problem I see is beginning to look like 
a bug. My routine has the following line, which causes Rev to 
allocate a chunk of RAM that it never releases:

    export image "sample image" to file "sample file" as JPEG

So does this:

    export image "sample image" to URL ("binfile:" & pPathName) as JPEG

The amount of "lost" memory (allocated to Rev but never released) is 
driven by the size of the exported image. A 320x240 image loses about 
350K. My handler creates and exports a series of 100 images, which 
loses about 32MB of RAM each time it runs. Eventually it will cause 
the Mac to crash.

Is there some memory-management feature of 'export image' that this 
newbie has missed? (Yes, my routine remembers to delete the 100 
newly-created images, so they can't be soaking up memory.)

Karl


At 8:31 AM -0700 4/14/02, John wrote:
>This sounds more like a bug than a "feature".  It is also a bit 
>disturbing to have your built application leaking memory.  Perhaps 
>you should consider posting this bug on the "improve" list to make 
>sure the problem is noted.
>
>Just a thought,
>John Miskimins
>
>On Saturday, April 13, 2002, at 11:10 PM, Karl Petersen wrote:
>>
>>If Rev allocates more and more memory to itself the longer it runs, 
>>won't it inevitably crash? To test this, I built a MacPPC app (20MB 
>>memory allocation, dynamic memory allocation tested both checked 
>>and unchecked) whose main routine saves 100 images to jpegs. Each 
>>time it runs that routine, the app grabs 15MB more RAM, until 
>>eventually it has allocated about 150MB to itself. It always 
>>crashes when the Mac's free RAM drops below 125MB. (I.1.1, MacOS 
>>9.1, 512MB physical RAM)
>>
>>Isn't it inevitable the app will crash when either 1) it can't 
>>allocate more memory to itself; or 2) it starves the Mac OS/other 
>>apps of memory? What am I missing? This just doesn't sound right.



From JacksHyperInfo at aol.com  Mon Apr 15 21:29:01 2002
From: JacksHyperInfo at aol.com (JacksHyperInfo at aol.com)
Date: Mon Apr 15 21:29:01 2002
Subject: Message box in standalones
Message-ID: <18a.67fe344.29ece587@aol.com>

Is it possible to include the message box and its functions in standalone 
applications?

Jack


From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Tue Apr 16 00:01:00 2002
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Tue Apr 16 00:01:00 2002
Subject: Rev Classic Crashing
In-Reply-To: <p05100300b8e09f496ce1@[192.168.1.202]>
References: <B27E76BD-4FBC-11D6-933A-003065847600@cablespeed.com>
 <p05100300b8e09f496ce1@[192.168.1.202]>
Message-ID: <a05100300b8e15f2b8db7@[188.9.94.76]>

At 6:49 PM -0700 4/15/02, Karl Petersen wrote:
>   export image "sample image" to file "sample file" as JPEG
> [eats memory]

I wrote a routine that did the above 200 times in a row, and saw no increase over time. So I wonder if some resource/buffer is being allocated for the command that isn't being given up, but that doesn't get _re_allocated, meaning that it's not a leak but just an extra requirement. Not sure.
-- 

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com


From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Tue Apr 16 00:06:01 2002
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Tue Apr 16 00:06:01 2002
Subject: Message box in standalones
In-Reply-To: <18a.67fe344.29ece587@aol.com>
References: <18a.67fe344.29ece587@aol.com>
Message-ID: <a05100301b8e15fedbb4e@[206.117.139.34]>

>Is it possible to include the message box and its functions in standalone 
>applications?
>
>Jack
>_______________________________________________
>use-revolution mailing list
>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution

Sure -- but there is a lot to the message box that you probably don't need. Do you really want people to be able to examine front scripts, global variables, etc.?
-- 

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com


From kmajor at metascape.org  Tue Apr 16 01:57:00 2002
From: kmajor at metascape.org (Klaus Major)
Date: Tue Apr 16 01:57:00 2002
Subject: re dynamic pop ups 
In-Reply-To: <B8E0C9B9.268C%derekbronston@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <6BA3ADD9-5106-11D6-BF06-003065D52E8E@metascape.org>

Hi Derek,

> on 4/15/02 1:15 PM, Klaus Major at k_major at osnabrueck.netsurf.de wrote:
> Hi Klaus,
> Thanks , that helps, the next problem though is assigning seperate 
> values
> that is really what is stumping me.
>
> derek

don't worry, we'll make that, too ;-)

Could you give me a short example, please ?

Regards


Klaus Major
kmajor at metascape.org



From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Apr 16 03:38:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue Apr 16 03:38:01 2002
Subject: calling functions in controls and groups
Message-ID: <C695441F-5114-11D6-8448-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

I keep coming up with situations where I want to call a function in 
a particular object.  In some cases custom properties might be 
appropriate, but it most cases they don't seem to be the right way 
to go.

I know about call for handlers.  Anything similar for functions?

Dar Scott



From shaosean at unitz.ca  Tue Apr 16 03:45:01 2002
From: shaosean at unitz.ca (Shao Sean)
Date: Tue Apr 16 03:45:01 2002
Subject: SMTP & POP3 [was - Re: Is revolution right for my project?]
References: <012801c1e24d$edeebd90$2d9b9b3f@750laptop> <a05100307b8e0cb70c9df@[206.117.139.34]>
Message-ID: <003b01c1e521$fcd8e980$88b15bd1@lanfear>

Geoff Canyon wrote:
> As far as I know, those are the best examples of the protocols. I've seen
other
> examples of Shao Sean's work, and the code is extremely clean and well-
> thought-out, so I would expect the same with the SMTP and POP3 clients.

first, thanks for the compliment ^_^

second, i'm re-working the SMTP and POP3 sockets to use the "with message"
form of the write/read socket commands.. i am also tidying the code up a
little more and adding in error handling (sadly i think i'll have to break
backwards compatibility, but it should be worth it).. basically i'm trying
to bring my coding inline with the way RunRev has their external code
written (easy to use functions/handlers)

and finally, i also have an IMAPv4 socket in the works for anyone else who
may require that functionality..


and Dar Scott wrote:
> Folks should look for Shao Sean's mail stacks at runrev; the other
> location mentioned by Delay does not seem to have them.

i do apologize for this.. i took them offline when i re-did my website as i
was in the middle of also re-doing the sockets themselves.. personally i
just figured no-one had actually ever looked at them let alone used them..
new SMTP socket should be available within a week's time.. POP3 socket
should follow shortly behind..


currently i'm involved with matt denton (on this list 'hi matt' *waves*)
working a nice new project that should be of use to all us runrev users,
i'll post more as it progresses (shh for now matt ;-)



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 16 03:48:01 2002
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Tue Apr 16 03:48:01 2002
Subject: calling functions in controls and groups
In-Reply-To: <C695441F-5114-11D6-8448-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <20020416084438.89309.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Dar Scott <dsc at swcp.com> wrote:
> I keep coming up with situations where I want to
> call a function in 
> a particular object.  In some cases custom
> properties might be 
> appropriate, but it most cases they don't seem to be
> the right way 
> to go.
> 
> I know about call for handlers.  Anything similar
> for functions?
> 
> Dar Scott
> 

I wouldn't know if there's one specifically for
functions, but handlers can return a value too ;
whatever you 'return' will be put in 'the result'.

Hope this helps,

Jan Schenkel.

"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish
at the same time."  (De Rochefoucald)

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Apr 16 05:13:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue Apr 16 05:13:01 2002
Subject: calling functions in controls and groups
In-Reply-To: <20020416084438.89309.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0191DA1E-5122-11D6-8448-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Tuesday, April 16, 2002, at 02:44 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote:

> I wouldn't know if there's one specifically for
> functions, but handlers can return a value too ;
> whatever you 'return' will be put in 'the result'.
>
> Hope this helps,

It does!  It does!

Somehow I jump in but miss these details.

Dar Scott



From harrison at all-auctions.com  Tue Apr 16 10:22:01 2002
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Tue Apr 16 10:22:01 2002
Subject: User Level and Password Protection
In-Reply-To: <20020416084438.89309.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B8E1B911.83A%harrison@all-auctions.com>

Hi there,

I used to protect my Hypercard stacks
by using a password to change the
user level.  That way I was able to
control who saw my stack and who didn't.

Why was this standard abandoned by Revolution?

Now it is looking like anyone who owns a copy
of Revolution can see my code.  It is no wonder
to me that everyone is upset about this.

Any work arounds?

Thanks in advance,

Rick Harrison



From rcozens at pon.net  Tue Apr 16 10:45:01 2002
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Tue Apr 16 10:45:01 2002
Subject: Quotes Required Around Keys in 2 Dimensional Arrays?
In-Reply-To: <007301c1e41e$dc79dbd0$88b15bd1@lanfear>
References: <F39BFD42-5010-11D6-851C-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
 <007301c1e41e$dc79dbd0$88b15bd1@lanfear>
Message-ID: <a05100300b8e1ee49552a@[216.126.184.64]>

>but
>there is one piece of the puzzle where passing multi-dimension arrays would
>be very handy..

Hi Shao Sean,

Is there some reason the following won't work for you?

>You can also set up arrays of three dimensions or more using 
>multiple delimiters:
>
>From my post of 7 Jan, 2002:
>
>>>
>function getElement xCoord,yCoord,zCoord,xDelim,yDelim,zDelim,zaArray
>   put the itemDelimiter into savedDelimiter
>   set the itemDelimiter to zDelim
>   get item zCoord of zaArray
>   set the itemDelimiter to yDelim
>   get item yCoord of it
>   set the itemDelimiter to xDelim
>   get item xCoord of it
>   set the itemDelimiter to savedDelimiter
>   return it
>end getElement
><<

Pare it down to two elements, write a putElement function to reverse 
the process, and you're in business.

For simple two-dimensional arrays of numbers (also text if there are 
no imbedded commas), one can simply reference elements by item and 
line.  Eg: myArray[4,55] is "item 4 of line 55 of myArray".

BTW, I believe I have seen some statements to the effect that it is 
not necessary to save & reset the itemDelimiter in RunRev because the 
itemDelimiter setting in the handler does not persist after the 
handler quits as it does in HyperTalk.  Can anyone confirm or refute 
that?
-- 

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)


From rcozens at pon.net  Tue Apr 16 10:46:31 2002
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Tue Apr 16 10:46:31 2002
Subject: calling functions in controls and groups
In-Reply-To: <C695441F-5114-11D6-8448-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
References: <C695441F-5114-11D6-8448-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <a05100303b8e1f2684cea@[216.126.184.64]>

>I know about call for handlers.  Anything similar for functions?

Dar,

FWIW, in this foole's vocabulary "handler" is a generic term 
referring to commands and functions.

The differences between calling a command or a function:

1.  Function calls place arguments inside parentheses, and the 
parentheses must be present even if no arguments are passed. 
Arguments to commands are passed as a comma-delimited list without 
parentheses.

2.  Syntax for a function focuses on the function's result, eg: put 
myFunction() into anyThing.  Syntax for a command is simply the 
command name followed by any arguments.

3.  As noted in 2, the value returned by the function is manipulated 
automatically by the calling syntax.  When calling a command, one 
must then call the result function to get any value returned by the 
command...of course the command can also update containers and 
controls.

Hope this helps.
-- 

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)


From karlpet at mac.com  Tue Apr 16 10:52:01 2002
From: karlpet at mac.com (Karl Petersen)
Date: Tue Apr 16 10:52:01 2002
Subject: Rev Classic Crashing
In-Reply-To: <a05100300b8e15f2b8db7@[188.9.94.76]>
References: <B27E76BD-4FBC-11D6-933A-003065847600@cablespeed.com>
 <p05100300b8e09f496ce1@[192.168.1.202]>
 <a05100300b8e15f2b8db7@[188.9.94.76]>
Message-ID: <p05100300b8e1f5934201@[192.168.1.202]>

At 9:58 PM -0700 4/15/02, Geoff Canyon wrote:
>I wrote a routine that did the above 200 times in a row, and saw no 
>increase over time. So I wonder if some resource/buffer is being 
>allocated for the command that isn't being given up, but that 
>doesn't get _re_allocated, meaning that it's not a leak but just an 
>extra requirement. Not sure.

Thanks for testing that, Geoff. I'm running Mac OS 9.1; perhaps that 
explains our different result.

I'll post the problem code in the Improve list to be checked out there.

Karl


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Tue Apr 16 10:54:01 2002
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Tue Apr 16 10:54:01 2002
Subject: User Level and Password Protection
References: <B8E1B911.83A%harrison@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <004201c1e55d$fd2c1b50$7c00a8c0@mckinley.dom>

Rick,

You *can* set a password for your stacks to prevent people from looking at
your scripts. (Look under the "password" property in the Transcript
Dictionary.) And you can set the "cantModify" of the stack to prevent people
from adding or changing data in your stacks. What you need to do manually
(if you need this at all) is to put something in to prevent certain people
from *looking* at the data in your stacks - this would need a login screen
or equivalent.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Harrison" <harrison at all-auctions.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 10:18 AM
Subject: User Level and Password Protection


> Hi there,
>
> I used to protect my Hypercard stacks
> by using a password to change the
> user level.  That way I was able to
> control who saw my stack and who didn't.
>
> Why was this standard abandoned by Revolution?
>
> Now it is looking like anyone who owns a copy
> of Revolution can see my code.  It is no wonder
> to me that everyone is upset about this.
>
> Any work arounds?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Rick Harrison
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From lists at retiariusenterprises.com  Tue Apr 16 12:56:01 2002
From: lists at retiariusenterprises.com (David Egbert)
Date: Tue Apr 16 12:56:01 2002
Subject: FunctionKeys
Message-ID: <B8E1BF14.1F2%lists@retiariusenterprises.com>

Is there a way to get the functionkey handler to work no matter where you
are in your project?  I was thinking that if you typed an F-Key while in a
text field, or having a focus on a button the message would pass through
until it got to the stack script (where the functionKey handle resides).  Is
there a global I can set that will pass this message all the way through?

Come to think of it, what is the message hierarchy in Rev?

Thanks in Advance!

--
Dave



From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Tue Apr 16 13:08:01 2002
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Dreamscape Software)
Date: Tue Apr 16 13:08:01 2002
Subject: MetaCard/Revolution Interaction with Hotline or Gnutella Protocols
Message-ID: <004701c1e571$192980a0$6b01a8c0@powercom.net>

I'd like to make MetaCard or Revolution work with the Hotline or Gnutella
Protocols, though I have no idea how to set that up in MetaCard.  Does
anyone have any ideas on how to interface with these protocols and use their
functions.

I'm more interested in the Hotline portion of it, but any help would be
wonderful.  Thanks.

Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software, Inc.
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/



From steve at messimercomputing.com  Tue Apr 16 13:18:01 2002
From: steve at messimercomputing.com (Steve Messimer)
Date: Tue Apr 16 13:18:01 2002
Subject: Rev vs RB my opinion
Message-ID: <B8E1E24D.5A3%steve@messimercomputing.com>

Hi all,

Here are my 2? on the Rev / RB issue.

I've had the opportunity to use both RB and Rev.  I was one of the thousands
of HC users abandoned when Apple decided not to upgrade HC. I really wanted
to use RB because of its great IDE and cross platform capabilities. I was
right on the verge of wading into its steep learning curve when along came
Rev. I thought,"Why spend a year or two getting up to speed w RB if you can
hit the bricks running with Rev?"  I mean, if I'm going to spend a year
learning the ins and outs of RB why not just pick up a few books on C++ and
purchase code warrior?

Rev gives me a great IDE, lots of widgets, and the possibility of making
pretty much anything I can imagine.  On top of all this, pretty much
everything I ever learned with HC applies. For an experienced HC or
SuperCard user there just isn't a down side.

If you have experience with Basic then Real Basic might be the tool for you.
If you are a HC user or you are new to programming Rev is definitely the
ticket.

Steve




From rcozens at pon.net  Tue Apr 16 13:55:01 2002
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Tue Apr 16 13:55:01 2002
Subject: calling functions in controls and groups
In-Reply-To: <a05100303b8e1f2684cea@[216.126.184.64]>
References: <C695441F-5114-11D6-8448-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
 <a05100303b8e1f2684cea@[216.126.184.64]>
Message-ID: <a05100301b8e21b10da5a@[216.229.107.37]>

Moi:

>FWIW, in this foole's vocabulary "handler" is a generic term 
>referring to commands and functions.

Dar, et al:

In looking to the MetaCard User Guide, I find there are four type of handlers:

	* Message Handlers
	* Function Handlers
	* SetProp Handlers
	* GetProp Handlers

I guess that makes a command a) an anachronism from HyperTalk, or b) 
a statement initiating a trigger to a message handler.
-- 

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)


From rcozens at pon.net  Tue Apr 16 13:55:37 2002
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Tue Apr 16 13:55:37 2002
Subject: FunctionKeys
In-Reply-To: <B8E1BF14.1F2%lists@retiariusenterprises.com>
References: <B8E1BF14.1F2%lists@retiariusenterprises.com>
Message-ID: <a05100302b8e21d285845@[216.229.107.37]>

>  what is the message hierarchy in Rev?

Hi Dave,

 From bottom to top:

	* control
	* card or group -- I don't know & am too lazy to test
	* group or card -- ditto
	* stack
	* stacks in use -- if any, in LIFO order
	* the MetaCard engine

I'm getting most of the above from the M/C User Guide, which places 
"Home stack" where I placed "stacks in use."  I don't believe "Home 
stack" is relevant in Revolution.

FWIW, at runtime you can get a list of the objects that are 
higher/lower in the message path than a specific object by targeting 
the object with a handler calling the backScripts/frontScripts 
function respectively.
-- 

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)


From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Tue Apr 16 14:12:01 2002
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Dreamscape Software)
Date: Tue Apr 16 14:12:01 2002
Subject: Message Box Functionality
Message-ID: <002601c1e57a$19912d00$6b01a8c0@powercom.net>

I'm making an Aqua Toolbar for MetaCard/Revolution that includes a custom
message box.  I've managed to get it to work most of the time via the "do"
command, but there are some commands that just won't work.

Simple commands that don't target card objects work fine.  As soon as you
target a card object then it starts to act up giving "Not Found" errors.
I'd like this Aqua Toolbar to be a wonderful addition to my programming
environment, but the message box bug is the only thing in my way.

Is there any way to make a text field behave just the same as the Message
Box field?


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software, Inc.
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/



From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Apr 16 14:18:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue Apr 16 14:18:01 2002
Subject: calling functions in controls and groups
In-Reply-To: <a05100303b8e1f2684cea@[216.126.184.64]>
Message-ID: <2CC16AF8-516E-11D6-9B51-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Tuesday, April 16, 2002, at 09:37 AM, Rob Cozens wrote:

> FWIW, in this foole's vocabulary "handler" is a generic term 
> referring to commands and functions.

I took the time to look at About... Commands and Functions, again.

And, yes, I was abusing the vocabulary.  I think the distinctive 
names are these:

message handler
function handler

Paraphrased from the docs...  You "create a custom command" by 
creating a message handler with the name of the command.

> When calling a command, one must then call the result function to 
> get any value returned by the command.

That is what I was missing!  Thanks!  This is clearly described in 
the doc, but I may have missed it because it was in the context of 
errors and because I didn't see return in the example code when I 
glanced at it.

Well, I was also missing the notion that I want "send" not "call"; 
call does some interesting things to context.  I had somehow gotten 
the notion that "send" was a trivial "send ... in ...".  Not so.  
The "send" command does not defer execution, but executes right 
away.  I have gotten values back with result().

I'm not sure when it is cleared.  It seems to be cleared upon 
usage.  The example in the doc seems to imply it is cleared at 
other times, too, but I haven't discovered what those are.

BTW, I have found one way to make callbacks that may or may not 
have handlers.  I use "send ... in 0 milliseconds".

I realize that in many cases what I want are handlers for custom 
properties.  (And if I get my "lambda" values to work, this will be 
fine in all cases.)

Dar Scott





From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Apr 16 15:07:00 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue Apr 16 15:07:00 2002
Subject: Message Path (was Re: FunctionKeys)
In-Reply-To: <a05100302b8e21d285845@[216.229.107.37]>
Message-ID: <0B07A875-5175-11D6-9B51-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Tuesday, April 16, 2002, at 12:50 PM, Rob Cozens wrote:

>>  what is the message hierarchy in Rev?
...
> From bottom to top:
>
> 	* control
> 	* card or group -- I don't know & am too lazy to test
> 	* group or card -- ditto
> 	* stack
> 	* stacks in use -- if any, in LIFO order
> 	* the MetaCard engine

The Rev doc is a little unclear here, too.

A quick experiment showed this message hierarchy segment:

control -- inner group -- outer group -- card

This is just what I want.  However, I don't know whether the inner 
before outer is because it is inner or because of something else, 
like layer.

It gets a little more complicated with backgrounds.

Dar Scott








From jeanne at runrev.com  Tue Apr 16 15:39:01 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Tue Apr 16 15:39:01 2002
Subject: FunctionKeys
In-Reply-To: <B8E1BF14.1F2%lists@retiariusenterprises.com>
Message-ID: <v0313034bb8e22d81a6e3@[216.99.192.102]>

At 10:44 AM -0700 4/16/2002, David Egbert wrote:
>Is there a way to get the functionkey handler to work no matter where you
>are in your project?  I was thinking that if you typed an F-Key while in a
>text field, or having a focus on a button the message would pass through
>until it got to the stack script (where the functionKey handle resides).  Is
>there a global I can set that will pass this message all the way through?

Depends on exactly what context you want it to work in.

- If you want the handler to be available throughout your application (once
built), put it in the stack script of the main stack. (That is, the stack
that will be the main stack of the standalone file.)

- If you want the handler to be available whenever you're in the
development environment, the best solution is probably a plugin.


>Come to think of it, what is the message hierarchy in Rev?

Take a look at "About Messages and the Message Path" in the Encyclopedia.
It's similar to HyperCard's, but not identical.

--
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http://www.runrev.com/




From jeanne at runrev.com  Tue Apr 16 15:39:21 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Tue Apr 16 15:39:21 2002
Subject: Quotes Required Around Keys in 2 Dimensional Arrays?
In-Reply-To: <a05100300b8e1ee49552a@[216.126.184.64]>
References: <007301c1e41e$dc79dbd0$88b15bd1@lanfear>
 <F39BFD42-5010-11D6-851C-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
 <007301c1e41e$dc79dbd0$88b15bd1@lanfear>
Message-ID: <v0313034fb8e23b36df55@[216.99.192.102]>

At 8:22 AM -0700 4/16/2002, Rob Cozens wrote:
>BTW, I believe I have seen some statements to the effect that it is
>not necessary to save & reset the itemDelimiter in RunRev because the
>itemDelimiter setting in the handler does not persist after the
>handler quits as it does in HyperTalk.  Can anyone confirm or refute
>that?

"Since the itemDelimiter is a local property, its value is reset to comma
when the current handler finishes executing. It retains its value only for
the current handler, and setting it in one handler does not affect its
value in other handlers it calls."

--
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Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Apr 16 16:17:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue Apr 16 16:17:01 2002
Subject: Message Path (was Re: FunctionKeys)
In-Reply-To: <v0313034bb8e22d81a6e3@[216.99.192.102]>
Message-ID: <C80B4E64-517E-11D6-9B51-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Tuesday, April 16, 2002, at 01:46 PM, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote:

>> Come to think of it, what is the message hierarchy in Rev?
>
> Take a look at "About Messages and the Message Path" in the 
> Encyclopedia.

I confess I read the first two entries of the rules and thought 
both rules might apply to the same control and really got 
confused.  I think the first rule applies to a control not in a 
group.

A rule that needs to be added to the list is one that applies to a 
group within another group.  I use lots of those.

Something funny does happen with backgrounds.  If the target is in 
a group that is not a background, no backgrounds are in the message 
path.  I'm not sure whether this is a bug or a doc problem.  Or a 
problem in my understanding of backgrounds.

Dar Scott



From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 16 16:23:01 2002
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Tue Apr 16 16:23:01 2002
Subject: Message Path (was Re: FunctionKeys)
In-Reply-To: <C80B4E64-517E-11D6-9B51-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <20020416211949.92654.qmail@web11905.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Dar,

--- Dar Scott <dsc at swcp.com> wrote:
> [snip]
> 
> Something funny does happen with backgrounds.  If
> the target is in 
> a group that is not a background, no backgrounds are
> in the message 
> path.  I'm not sure whether this is a bug or a doc
> problem.  Or a 
> problem in my understanding of backgrounds.
> 

Unlike HyperCard, there's no real background to which
the cards belong.
MetaCard has groups, which may be used to simulate a
large portion of background behaviour, and Transcript
may use it as a keyword for backward compatibility,
but cards don't belong to a background anymore.
That's why if a control is not in a 'background'
group, this group isn't part of the message chain.

Best regards,

Jan Schenkel.

"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish
at the same time."  (De Rochefoucald)

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From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Apr 16 16:46:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue Apr 16 16:46:01 2002
Subject: Message Path (was Re: FunctionKeys)
In-Reply-To: <20020416211949.92654.qmail@web11905.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <D8A79046-5182-11D6-9B51-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Tuesday, April 16, 2002, at 03:19 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote:

> MetaCard has groups, which may be used to simulate a
> large portion of background behaviour, and Transcript
> may use it as a keyword for backward compatibility,
> but cards don't belong to a background anymore.
> That's why if a control is not in a 'background'
> group, this group isn't part of the message chain.

Consider this structure:

card
     button 1
     group A
         group AA
             button 1AA
         button 1A
     background B  (group with background behavior checked)
         button 1B

A little mouseUp handler on each object that logs and passes shows this:

card -- background B -- stack
button 1 -- card -- background B -- stack
button 1AA -- group AA -- group A -- card -- stack
button 1A -- group A -- card -- stack
button 1B -- background B -- card -- stack

(No handlers change scripts to add or delete handlers.)

Both the card and button 1 see the background.  Button 1B sees the 
background in a different order.

But, I expected this:

button 1AA -- group AA -- group A -- card -- background B -- stack
button 1A -- group A -- card -- background B -- stack

Dar Scott





From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Apr 16 17:24:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue Apr 16 17:24:01 2002
Subject: mouseUp and ?? not in pendingMessages
Message-ID: <2E0B2987-5188-11D6-9B51-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

I noticed that mouseUp does not show up in pendingMessages.

What other "pending messages" do not show up in pendingMessages?

What about built-in callbacks?

Dar Scott



From scott at tactilemedia.com  Tue Apr 16 19:17:01 2002
From: scott at tactilemedia.com (Scott Rossi)
Date: Tue Apr 16 19:17:01 2002
Subject: mouseUp and ?? not in pendingMessages
In-Reply-To: <2E0B2987-5188-11D6-9B51-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <B8E20C3A.5F76%scott@tactilemedia.com>

Recently, Dar Scott wrote:

> I noticed that mouseUp does not show up in pendingMessages.
> 
> What other "pending messages" do not show up in pendingMessages?

I believe the only pending messages returned are those explicitly sent by
you:

   send myMsg to me in 10 seconds

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director

Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
Email: scott at tactilemedia.com
Web: www.tactilemedia.com



From JacksHyperInfo at aol.com  Tue Apr 16 19:33:01 2002
From: JacksHyperInfo at aol.com (JacksHyperInfo at aol.com)
Date: Tue Apr 16 19:33:01 2002
Subject: Message box in standalones
Message-ID: <c6.a115848.29ee1bc5@aol.com>

In a message dated 04/16/2002 1:03:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com writes:


> >Is it possible to include the message box and its functions in standalone 
> >applications?
> >
> >Jack
> >_______________________________________________
> >use-revolution mailing list
> >use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
> 
> Sure -- but there is a lot to the message box that you probably don't need. 
> Do you really want people to be able to examine front scripts, global 
> variables, etc.?
> -- 
> 
> regards,
> 
> Geoff Canyon
> gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com
> 

Thanks Geoff-How do you add the message box to stand alones-I'd like to 
experiment with it!

Jack
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From jeanne at runrev.com  Tue Apr 16 19:57:01 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Tue Apr 16 19:57:01 2002
Subject: mouseUp and ?? not in pendingMessages
In-Reply-To: <2E0B2987-5188-11D6-9B51-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <v03130351b8e26e4adf9c@[216.99.192.102]>

At 3:20 PM -0700 4/16/2002, Dar Scott wrote:
>I noticed that mouseUp does not show up in pendingMessages.

It does for me.

--
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Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Apr 16 20:28:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue Apr 16 20:28:01 2002
Subject: mouseUp and ?? not in pendingMessages
In-Reply-To: <v03130351b8e26e4adf9c@[216.99.192.102]>
Message-ID: <E816D6C9-51A1-11D6-9B51-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Tuesday, April 16, 2002, at 06:12 PM, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote:

> At 3:20 PM -0700 4/16/2002, Dar Scott wrote:
>> I noticed that mouseUp does not show up in pendingMessages.
>
> It does for me.

on mouseUp
   wait for 2 seconds  -- I click a couple times here.
   put linefeed & "=========" & linefeed & the pendingMessages after 
field "Report"
end mouseUp

A couple rev messages show up, but no mouse messages for the two clicks.

Yet I can see the mouseUp is processed three times.  It looks as 
though there is a separate pending-messages queue for certain kinds 
of messages.

I wonder which one is for callback messages.

Dar Scott





From jeanne at runrev.com  Tue Apr 16 20:33:01 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Tue Apr 16 20:33:01 2002
Subject: mouseUp and ?? not in pendingMessages
In-Reply-To: <E816D6C9-51A1-11D6-9B51-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
References: <v03130351b8e26e4adf9c@[216.99.192.102]>
Message-ID: <v03130353b8e2802a12c5@[216.99.192.102]>

At 6:24 PM -0700 4/16/2002, Dar Scott wrote:
>on mouseUp
>   wait for 2 seconds  -- I click a couple times here.
>   put linefeed & "=========" & linefeed & the pendingMessages after
>field "Report"
>end mouseUp
>
>A couple rev messages show up, but no mouse messages for the two clicks.

There's no reason it should. It's not in the pendingMessages at that point,
since you haven't used "send in time" to send a mouseUp message. The
pendingMessages lists messages that have been queued by "send in time", but
not yet sent.

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Apr 16 20:49:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue Apr 16 20:49:01 2002
Subject: mouseUp and ?? not in pendingMessages
In-Reply-To: <v03130353b8e2802a12c5@[216.99.192.102]>
Message-ID: <C0C5F0F0-51A4-11D6-9B51-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Tuesday, April 16, 2002, at 07:29 PM, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote:

> There's no reason it should. It's not in the pendingMessages at 
> that point,
> since you haven't used "send in time" to send a mouseUp message.

OK.  I guess pendingMessages is only for "pending messages" sent by 
"send in time".

If, during my execution of my handler, some mouse clicks come in, 
some "send in time" come due, and some call-backs are ready, in 
what order are these executed at the end of the handler?

Or, put another way.  When the engine has several choices as to 
what message to process, which one is?

If you have to run tests, well, I can do that.  But if there are 
exceptions for some call-backs or some input messages, then I might 
miss those.

Dar Scott




From themacguy at mac.com  Tue Apr 16 21:25:01 2002
From: themacguy at mac.com (Barry Levine)
Date: Tue Apr 16 21:25:01 2002
Subject: Metacard vs. Revolution
Message-ID: <A437B6D8-51A9-11D6-BEEC-003065BC131C@mac.com>

I know that Revolution uses the "Metacard engine". Why, then, do we have 
-both- Metacard and Revolution? What I mean by that is: Why does 
Metacard permit Revolution to utilize its "engine" when people buying 
Rev licenses are probably giving most of the money to Revolution with a 
small "engine fee"(?) going back to Metacard?

Maybe I'm not seeing the bigger picture or I have some other perspective 
problem.

I guess the other thing that sort of bothers me is this: If Metacard 
licenses its "engine" to Revolution, what happens if they decide -not- 
to license it at some time?

Barry
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From harrison at all-auctions.com  Tue Apr 16 23:54:01 2002
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Richard Harrison)
Date: Tue Apr 16 23:54:01 2002
Subject: User Level and Password Protection
In-Reply-To: <004201c1e55d$fd2c1b50$7c00a8c0@mckinley.dom>
Message-ID: <B8E27736.855%harrison@all-auctions.com>

on 4/16/2002 11:47 AM, Ken Ray at kray at sonsothunder.com wrote:

> Rick,
> 
> You *can* set a password for your stacks to prevent people from looking at
> your scripts. (Look under the "password" property in the Transcript
> Dictionary.) And you can set the "cantModify" of the stack to prevent people
> from adding or changing data in your stacks. What you need to do manually
> (if you need this at all) is to put something in to prevent certain people
> from *looking* at the data in your stacks - this would need a login screen
> or equivalent.
> 
> Ken Ray

Ken,

Thanks for directing me in the correct direction.

I'm not sure what you mean by something to prevent
certain people from *looking* at the data in my stack.

The only data they should be seeing is the data I want
to show to them.  Other data is all in hidden fields.
Could you be more verbose?

Thanks,

Rick




From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 17 00:19:01 2002
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Wed Apr 17 00:19:01 2002
Subject: Message Path (was Re: FunctionKeys)
In-Reply-To: <D8A79046-5182-11D6-9B51-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <20020417051502.19957.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Dar Scott <dsc at swcp.com> wrote:
> 
> Consider this structure:
> 
> card
>      button 1
>      group A
>          group AA
>              button 1AA
>          button 1A
>      background B  (group with background behavior
> checked)
>          button 1B
> 
> A little mouseUp handler on each object that logs
> and passes shows this:
> 
> card -- background B -- stack
> button 1 -- card -- background B -- stack
> button 1AA -- group AA -- group A -- card -- stack
> button 1A -- group A -- card -- stack
> button 1B -- background B -- card -- stack
> 
> (No handlers change scripts to add or delete
> handlers.)
> 
> Both the card and button 1 see the background. 
> Button 1B sees the 
> background in a different order.
> 
> But, I expected this:
> 
> button 1AA -- group AA -- group A -- card --
> background B -- stack
> button 1A -- group A -- card -- background B --
> stack
> 

That's why I said it simulates a _large_ portion of
background behaviour, and not everything *grin*
If you really need it to pass by the background B,
you'll have to hardwire a 'send' in the card script,
I'm afraid.

To long-time HyperCard users (I fell in love with HC
1.0 in a heartbeat) it's quite unnerving, but once you
know how things are, you can usually circumvent the
slight shifts in behaviour.
Moreover, I've come to use different substacks where I
would have used a background -- and as they can be
part of the stack or not, depending on decisions later
on in the project, that's quite convenient.

Best regards,

Jan Schenkel.

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From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Apr 17 00:36:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed Apr 17 00:36:01 2002
Subject: Message Path (was Re: FunctionKeys)
In-Reply-To: <20020417051502.19957.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8858E97C-51C4-11D6-9B51-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Tuesday, April 16, 2002, at 11:15 PM, Jan Schenkel wrote:

> Moreover, I've come to use different substacks where I
> would have used a background -- and as they can be
> part of the stack or not, depending on decisions later
> on in the project, that's quite convenient.

I'll take that as advice and will try that in time.

Dar Scott



From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Apr 17 00:45:01 2002
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed Apr 17 00:45:01 2002
Subject: assigning array data
Message-ID: <MDEBKFHHPGJAMBLMPEBKMEJFCEAA.chipp@chipp.com>

This should be a simple one. But, I can't get it. How do I explicitly assign
a value to an "n" dimensional array?

for instance: does this work?

put ["17","35"] into myarray[1,1]
put ["24","32"] into myarray[1,2]
.
.
.

thx,

Chipp
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From drvaughan55 at mac.com  Wed Apr 17 00:51:01 2002
From: drvaughan55 at mac.com (David Vaughan)
Date: Wed Apr 17 00:51:01 2002
Subject: assigning array data
In-Reply-To: <MDEBKFHHPGJAMBLMPEBKMEJFCEAA.chipp@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <9243B386-51C6-11D6-917B-000393598038@mac.com>


On Wednesday, April 17, 2002, at 03:41 , Chipp Walters wrote:

> This should be a simple one. But, I can't get it. How do I explicitly 
> assign a value to an "n" dimensional array?
> ?
> for instance: does this work?
> ?
> put ["17","35"] into myarray[1,1]
> put ["24","32"] into myarray[1,2]
> .
Chipp

Umm... what are you trying to do? Do you mean to put something like:
17 into 1,1
35 into 2,1
24 into 1,2 and
32 into 2,2?
Or are your trying to put the string "17,35" into 1,1?

How it is done in each case should be clear enough from the questions, 
but ask if it isn't.

regards
David
> .
> .
> ?
> thx,
> ?
> Chipp
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From chipp at chipp.com  Wed Apr 17 01:06:01 2002
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Wed Apr 17 01:06:01 2002
Subject: assigning array data
In-Reply-To: <9243B386-51C6-11D6-917B-000393598038@mac.com>
Message-ID: <MDEBKFHHPGJAMBLMPEBKKEJGCEAA.chipp@chipp.com>

David,
Got it. Thx!

-cw



-----Original Message-----
From: use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com
[mailto:use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of David Vaughan
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 10:47 PM
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Re: assigning array data


On Wednesday, April 17, 2002, at 03:41 , Chipp Walters wrote:


This should be a simple one. But, I can't get it. How do I explicitly assign
a value to an "n" dimensional array?

for instance: does this work?

put ["17","35"] into myarray[1,1]
put ["24","32"] into myarray[1,2]
.

Chipp

Umm... what are you trying to do? Do you mean to put something like:
17 into 1,1
35 into 2,1
24 into 1,2 and
32 into 2,2?
Or are your trying to put the string "17,35" into 1,1?

How it is done in each case should be clear enough from the questions, but
ask if it isn't.

regards
David

.
.

thx,

Chipp



From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Wed Apr 17 02:19:00 2002
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Wed Apr 17 02:19:00 2002
Subject: Metacard vs. Revolution
In-Reply-To: <A437B6D8-51A9-11D6-BEEC-003065BC131C@mac.com>
References: <A437B6D8-51A9-11D6-BEEC-003065BC131C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <a0510030bb8e2d13ebafd@[188.9.94.76]>

>I know that Revolution uses the "Metacard engine". Why, then, do we have -both- Metacard and Revolution? What I mean by that is: Why does Metacard permit Revolution to utilize its "engine" when people buying Rev licenses are probably giving most of the money to Revolution with a small "engine fee"(?) going back to Metacard?
>
>Maybe I'm not seeing the bigger picture or I have some other perspective problem.
>
>I guess the other thing that sort of bothers me is this: If Metacard licenses its "engine" to Revolution, what happens if they decide -not- to license it at some time?
>
>Barry

I'm sure they've worked it out so both are satisfied with the deal. Revolution is pursuing markets that MetaCard hasn't, doesn't, and isn't likely to. I would assume Revolution is covered so that MetaCard can't withdraw from the agreement.
-- 

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com


From jeanne at runrev.com  Wed Apr 17 02:30:01 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Wed Apr 17 02:30:01 2002
Subject: mouseUp and ?? not in pendingMessages
In-Reply-To: <C0C5F0F0-51A4-11D6-9B51-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
References: <v03130353b8e2802a12c5@[216.99.192.102]>
Message-ID: <v03130355b8e2934990e8@[216.99.192.102]>

At 6:45 PM -0700 4/16/2002, Dar Scott wrote:
>> There's no reason it should. It's not in the pendingMessages at
>> that point,
>> since you haven't used "send in time" to send a mouseUp message.
>
>OK.  I guess pendingMessages is only for "pending messages" sent by
>"send in time".

Right.

>If, during my execution of my handler, some mouse clicks come in,
>some "send in time" come due, and some call-backs are ready, in
>what order are these executed at the end of the handler?

In general, only one handler (or chain of handler, if one handler calls
another) is executing at a time. If a message comes in while the handler is
executing - either from a user event like a click, or a queued message from
"send in time" - that message starts through the message path after the
executing handler (and any calling handlers) are done.

To take a slightly complex example, suppose you have a button with a
mouseUp handler that looks like this:

  on mouseUp
    doSomething -- another handler, which takes a while to run
    doSomethingElse -- still another handler
  end mouseUp

And suppose the card script contains a returnKey handler.

When you click the button, the mouseUp handler starts executing. It calls
the doSomething handler, which (as noted above) takes a while to finish. If
you press Return while "doSomething" is executing, the returnKey handler
doesn't execute until *after* "doSomething" and its caller, the mouseUp
handler, are both finished. Only when the mouseUp handler exits does the
returnKey message get sent.

(The exception is if you've used "wait...with messages", in which case
messages sent during the wait can be handled before the handler with the
wait command is finished executing.)

If more than one event happens or queued message is sent while the mouseUp
is executing - for example, if you click again, then you type Return - the
messages are sent in the order received. (In this example, mouseUp would be
sent again, then returnKey.) It looks like in this situation, queued
messages are sent before any events are processed - I'll check on this to
be sure.

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Apr 17 03:08:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed Apr 17 03:08:01 2002
Subject: mouseUp and ?? not in pendingMessages
In-Reply-To: <v03130355b8e2934990e8@[216.99.192.102]>
Message-ID: <C6E65226-51D9-11D6-9B51-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Tuesday, April 16, 2002, at 09:11 PM, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote:

> It looks like in this situation, queued
> messages are sent before any events are processed - I'll check on 
> this to
> be sure.

That is the impression I have gotten.

And I'm learning the lingo:
queued "messages" are sent
"events" are processed

Dar Scott



From CARETTE.Pierre-Marie at wanadoo.fr  Wed Apr 17 03:40:01 2002
From: CARETTE.Pierre-Marie at wanadoo.fr (Pierre-Marie CARETTE)
Date: Wed Apr 17 03:40:01 2002
Subject: use-revolution digest, Vol 1 #346 - 16 msgs
In-Reply-To: <200204161449.KAA12050@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <B8E240AD.15E%CARETTE.Pierre-Marie@wanadoo.fr>

le 16/04/02 14:49, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com ?
use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com a ?crit?:

> Message box in standalones
rep for  JacksHyperInfo at aol.com

 I do otherwise

create a stack "messagesrack" with one field "messagefield"
and,  when you want, command to see it with palette command
If you want to write a command with this "message field" think to the
command "do"
and enjoy...



From steve at messimercomputing.com  Wed Apr 17 08:01:02 2002
From: steve at messimercomputing.com (Steve Messimer)
Date: Wed Apr 17 08:01:02 2002
Subject: Plug-in question
Message-ID: <B8E2E99E.5B2%steve@messimercomputing.com>

I have been working on a plug-in for sometime now.  I need to know how to
lock it down. In HC I would hust set the userlevel to the Browse mode.  As
there isn't such a thing in Rev I need some sort of alternative. Basically I
want to secure my code. Can I just make it a standalone?  This may be
problematic because I am not sure whether a Plug-in is an exacutable file
like a standalone.(probably not as it works within REV)

Anybody got some ideas

Steve

Stephen R. Messimer
Messimer Computing, Inc
2501 14th Ave South
Escanaba, MI 49829
www.messimercomputing.com






From mike at essex-web.com  Wed Apr 17 08:06:01 2002
From: mike at essex-web.com (Michael Foy)
Date: Wed Apr 17 08:06:01 2002
Subject: Compacting stacks and todays' newbie question
References: <20020416211949.92654.qmail@web11905.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00d301c1e60f$c6e244e0$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>

in HC when you delete cards etc, you had to compact a stack, I take it this
is not the case with Rev?

secondly, I have read the bits in the TD about

open file "fred.txt" for read

which is used in conjuction with
read  from file "fred.txt" until EOF

and I know IT is filled with the records, is that all at once? or do I put
the read in a loop

the problem I am trying to solve is to read the file (I have one card per
record) and I propose to  put each record into a field (call it field1) of
each card

so is this correct (well I know it isn'tbut am I close?)

put "fred.txt" into filename

open file filename for read
put 1 into i
repeat
    read from file filename until EOF
    put it into field field1 of card i
end repeat
close file filename


thanks

miock




From tnally at aga-engineers.com  Wed Apr 17 09:11:01 2002
From: tnally at aga-engineers.com (Tomas Nally)
Date: Wed Apr 17 09:11:01 2002
Subject: Metacard vs. Revolution
Message-ID: <790DC7E6CB96224DBC5D5D7F8AA92BDD1B66C0@bigez.aga-engineers.com>


Barry Wrote:

>I know that Revolution uses the "Metacard engine". Why, then, do we have 
>-both- Metacard and Revolution? What I mean by that is: Why does 
>Metacard permit Revolution to utilize its "engine" when people buying 
>Rev licenses are probably giving most of the money to Revolution with a 
>small "engine fee"(?) going back to Metacard?

This is a business question which, to me, is almost as interesting as
discussing the technology.  We can only presume that Metacard entered
into a business relationship with RunRev because they saw it as an
opportunity for a decent (long term) return on the costs required to
establish and maintain the relationship.  This is the same reason
why any other two companies may partner together.  

I remember Scott saying on other occasions that he acknowledged
the need for a fancier UI, but thought that his 
company was best served by committing the resources of the company
to improving the engine rather than the UI.  Rev represented
an opportunity to marry the engine to a pretty dang cool UI without
tying up the intellectual capital of the MetaCard organization
(presumably).  Of course, all this is speculation on my part.  

That's one reason why, despite the fact that I'm an infrequent
RunRev user, I always scan for any posts by Scott: the combination
of technological savvy with business savvy is very interesting.

>I guess the other thing that sort of bothers me is this: If Metacard 
>licenses its "engine" to Revolution, what happens if they decide -not- 
>to license it at some time?

I'm not a developer, but I guess developers always build products
with the assumption in the back of their mind that their development
tools will always be upgraded to some new version: each development
tool will be followed by a successor development tool.  I guess that's
quite reasonable: the long term viability of the product lines produced
 by a developer depends on the availability of these successor
development tools.  Therefore, the likelihood of NOT being offered a
successor development tool becomes part of the calculus of risk in
choosing the development tool.

Not being a developer, I currently have nothing at risk.  However,
many posters herein are developers, and they are placing their money
on the bet that the viability of RunRev will continue.  I'm hoping for
that, too, just because Rev seems like an outstanding product.  Even
if RunRev should falter, however, the risk is mitigated somewhat by
the fact that MetaCard has established some longevity (as measured in
computer industry time, rather than geological time).  Rev projects 
appear to transfer very easily to pure MetaCard projects.


---Tom Nally, New Orleans







From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Apr 17 09:28:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed Apr 17 09:28:01 2002
Subject: Compacting stacks and todays' newbie question
In-Reply-To: <00d301c1e60f$c6e244e0$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>
Message-ID: <C4787580-520E-11D6-9B51-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Wednesday, April 17, 2002, at 06:59 AM, Michael Foy wrote:

> read  from file "fred.txt" until EOF

This will read the entire file.

If you think you know what to do if the file is in a variable and 
the file is not huge, then you can also use the URL keyword to 
bring in the entire file at once.

Suppose you don't read it in all at once.  How you proceed depends 
a lot on how your file is structured.  You might be able to get by 
with something like this:

repeat ...
   read from file "Foy.db" until foyDbRecordEnd
   check result for eof, worry about partial and break out of loop
   translate record into a form to put into field
   put that into field
end repeat

In general a lot depends on the file format.
Is it ascii or binary?
What is a record?
   Is a single line?  (See TD on linefeed on end-of-line.)
   Multiple lines?  What separates them?
Fixed length or variable length?
et c.

In Revolution, you can bring in a file that is in an arbitrary file 
format.  Some will take more work than others.

Dar Scott



From rolfk at vetvir.unizh.ch  Wed Apr 17 09:44:00 2002
From: rolfk at vetvir.unizh.ch (Rolf Kocherhans)
Date: Wed Apr 17 09:44:00 2002
Subject: Stacks and Menus (Mac vers. Windows)
Message-ID: <p05101500b8e3361d276b@[130.60.97.38]>

I made an Internet application which downloads compressed Stacks from 
the internet, uncompresses them and displays them to be used.

The first downloaded Stack contains menus "File, Edit , etc" this 
Stack is like the starting point or Application menu, if you will, to 
download more Stacks which do not contain menus.

Now my question:

Under MacOS the menu is displayed all the time, and functional in all 
stacks, because it is in the Menu bar, but on windows its a different 
story.

There, the menus are displayed in the individual windows, is there a 
way to tell a stack, to use the menu from another stack, or do I have 
to implement the menus (which can be all the same, because i need 
only save , printing and cut,copy and paste) into all stacks so that 
windows users can use them in all the open stacks ?

Or is there any other way to get to my goal ?

Regards
Rolf


From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Wed Apr 17 09:48:01 2002
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Wed Apr 17 09:48:01 2002
Subject: how quit ?
Message-ID: <p05100300b8e33a4d0c8c@[10.0.1.202]>

Hi,

I've a mainstack with many substacks (on Mac)
to quit, I've written the following code (called by a menupick handler) :

on doquit
   put the openStacks into tstacks
   put the number of lines of tstacks into totLines
   repeat with x = totLines down to 1
     put line x of tstacks into tLine
     if tLine contains "Rev" then
       delete line x of tStacks
     end if
   end repeat
   filter tStacks with "*?"
   repeat for each line L in tStacks
     save stack L
     close stack L
   end repeat
end doquit

In rev, it works fine
in a standalone, nothing happens. I can't quit. Why ?
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From JohnRule at aol.com  Wed Apr 17 10:05:01 2002
From: JohnRule at aol.com (JohnRule at aol.com)
Date: Wed Apr 17 10:05:01 2002
Subject: MetaCard vs. Revolution
Message-ID: <6e.1b2fe519.29eee7bb@aol.com>

> I know that Revolution uses the "Metacard engine". Why, then, do we have 
> -both- Metacard and Revolution? What I mean by that is: Why does 
> Metacard permit Revolution to utilize its "engine" when people buying 
> Rev licenses are probably giving most of the money to Revolution with a 
> small "engine fee"(?) going back to Metacard?

> Maybe I'm not seeing the bigger picture or I have some other perspective 
> problem.


  Take a look at the licenses for both...there are some very important 
differences. For instance, if you make a product too close to Revolution's 
(i.e. you are taking business away from them) they can pull the plug on you, 
and sue for damages. Metacard does not have this 'stipulation', because they 
are the owner of the engine. If you do not need to provide editing features 
for your customers, then Revolution is the way to go (it has a much more 
'robust' interface)...otherwise you can 'cross-grade' to Metacard.

Someone please correct me if I have 'misread' the Revolution license...

JR



From mike at essex-web.com  Wed Apr 17 10:20:01 2002
From: mike at essex-web.com (Michael Foy)
Date: Wed Apr 17 10:20:01 2002
Subject: Compacting stacks and todays' newbie question
References: <C4787580-520E-11D6-9B51-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <002c01c1e622$ed20a260$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>

Dar

fields seperated by let's say pipe (|) and crlf at the end of each record
400 records, will split the record into the fields once I get thr record in,
standard ascii
standard serial variable length records.

mike






From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Apr 17 10:45:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed Apr 17 10:45:01 2002
Subject: Compacting stacks and todays' newbie question
In-Reply-To: <002c01c1e622$ed20a260$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>
Message-ID: <A0E821A6-5219-11D6-9B51-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Wednesday, April 17, 2002, at 09:17 AM, Michael Foy wrote:

> fields seperated by let's say pipe (|) and crlf at the end of each 
> record
> 400 records, will split the record into the fields once I get thr 
> record in,
> standard ascii
> standard serial variable length records.

Being lazy, I'd bring it all in at once with something like this:
put URL "file:data.txt" into fileData

And then process fileData

If you don't like how Revolution handles your end-of-line, then try 
this:
put URL "binfile:data.txt" into fileData

...and take care of end-of-line yourself.

You can use lineOffset() and/or other related functions to split up 
the data.

Dar Scott



From JohnRule at aol.com  Wed Apr 17 10:46:31 2002
From: JohnRule at aol.com (JohnRule at aol.com)
Date: Wed Apr 17 10:46:31 2002
Subject: password protection
Message-ID: <47.1b7f65a3.29eef168@aol.com>

> The only data they should be seeing is the data I want
> to show to them.  Other data is all in hidden fields.
> Could you be more verbose?


I just did a test...if you have any kind of 'Open' handler in your 
application (i.e. open stack anyStack), then some unscrupulous person could 
load their own 'ripper', and parse all of the objects in your 
application...including hidden fields. This is not safe. I also discovered 
that if you set the 'passkey' to a protected stack during runtime, the same 
trick can be applied (ripping). If you open an application that has been 
compiled as a stand-alone (but not password protected) in a text editor, I 
believe much of your scripting is visible as plain text (at least it was in 
earlier versions). I don't mean to scare anyone, but I have been 
investigating this area to see how protected my own code is...and I wanted to 
share this information so you can make your own code more protected' Please 
share any information you discover as well!

Speaking of 'ripper', wasn't there a stack called MCRipper? Does anyone know 
if this can actually 'steal' password protected Intellectual Property? It 
might behoove us to investigate this author.

I for one do not want to have to worry about what I write being accessed (at 
least easily). It is very 'stifling' to creative programming efforts...and 
lawsuits are always so ugly.

The best arrangement so far (for me) is to password protect everything, and 
have a few stacks that contain items that need to change. Luckily, I have a 
hardware/software product, and the software will not run without the hardware 
'key'. You might want to investigate other types of hardware 'keys'...

Sorry for being the 'propaganda' machine today. Again, please, someone 
correct me if I am wrong.

JR


From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Wed Apr 17 11:37:01 2002
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Dreamscape Software)
Date: Wed Apr 17 11:37:01 2002
Subject: Compacting stacks and todays' newbie question
References: <20020416211949.92654.qmail@web11905.mail.yahoo.com> <00d301c1e60f$c6e244e0$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>
Message-ID: <008401c1e62d$a2b6f2a0$6b01a8c0@powercom.net>

> put "fred.txt" into filename
>
> open file filename for read
> put 1 into i
> repeat
>     read from file filename until EOF
>     put it into field field1 of card i
> end repeat
> close file filename


From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Wed Apr 17 11:44:01 2002
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Dreamscape Software)
Date: Wed Apr 17 11:44:01 2002
Subject: Stacks and Menus (Mac vers. Windows)
References: <p05101500b8e3361d276b@[130.60.97.38]>
Message-ID: <009601c1e62e$a212a6e0$6b01a8c0@powercom.net>

> There, the menus are displayed in the individual windows, is there a
> way to tell a stack, to use the menu from another stack, or do I have
> to implement the menus (which can be all the same, because i need
> only save , printing and cut,copy and paste) into all stacks so that
> windows users can use them in all the open stacks ?
>
> Or is there any other way to get to my goal ?
>
> Regards
> Rolf

Well, I don't believe you can use the menus from another stack, but you can
setup your stack to use the MacOS Menu Bar instead of showing a custom menu
bar (like on Windows).  Inside the stack's properties, set the "Menu Bar"
property to the name of the stack's menuGroup.  That way when the stack is
loaded on a Mac the menus will appear in the MacOS Menu Bar, and on Windows
it will load in the Stack window.

There is also a command to hide the menuBar on the stack.  I would setup a
script to check with system the stack is being loaded on.  If it's a Mac
then hide the menuGroup.  If it's Windows then show the menuGroup.  Hope
that helps.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software, Inc.
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/



From rcozens at pon.net  Wed Apr 17 12:19:01 2002
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Wed Apr 17 12:19:01 2002
Subject: Compacting stacks and todays' newbie question
In-Reply-To: <00d301c1e60f$c6e244e0$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>
References: <20020416211949.92654.qmail@web11905.mail.yahoo.com>
 <00d301c1e60f$c6e244e0$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>
Message-ID: <a05100303b8e35765cd2c@[216.229.107.101]>

>in HC when you delete cards etc, you had to compact a stack, I take it this
>is not the case with Rev?

Hi Michael,

You are correct.  In HyperCard, only a portion of a stack (the 
current card?) is loaded in RAM at any one time...thus the constant 
updating to disk & the need to occasionally "compact" (basically 
write a fresh, non-fragmented copy of) a stack.  The MetaCard engine 
loads the entire stack in RAM when it is opened, and writes a fresh 
copy out when it is saved; thus compacting is not required.
-- 

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)


From rcozens at pon.net  Wed Apr 17 12:19:16 2002
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Wed Apr 17 12:19:16 2002
Subject: assigning array data
In-Reply-To: <MDEBKFHHPGJAMBLMPEBKMEJFCEAA.chipp@chipp.com>
References: <MDEBKFHHPGJAMBLMPEBKMEJFCEAA.chipp@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <a05100304b8e3591f34bf@[216.229.107.101]>

>This should be a simple one. But, I can't get it. How do I 
>explicitly assign a value to an "n" dimensional array?
>
>for instance: does this work?
>
>put ["17","35"] into myarray[1,1]
>put ["24","32"] into myarray[1,2]

Hi Chip,

No, that doesn't work, because RunRev's array notation is limited to 
one dimension.

See my post of 16 April:  Re: Quotes Required Around Keys in 2 
Dimensional Arrays?
-- 

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)
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From k_major at osnabrueck.netsurf.de  Wed Apr 17 12:22:00 2002
From: k_major at osnabrueck.netsurf.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed Apr 17 12:22:00 2002
Subject: Compacting stacks and todays' newbie question
In-Reply-To: <00d301c1e60f$c6e244e0$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>
Message-ID: <42615080-5227-11D6-86CB-000A27B49A96@osnabrueck.netsurf.de>

Hi Miock,

> in HC when you delete cards etc, you had to compact a stack, I take it 
> this
> is not the case with Rev?
> secondly, I have read the bits in the TD about
> open file "fred.txt" for read
>
> which is used in conjuction with
> read  from file "fred.txt" until EOF
>
> and I know IT is filled with the records, is that all at once? or do I 
> put
> the read in a loop

No loop, all at once.

> the problem I am trying to solve is to read the file (I have one card 
> per
> record) and I propose to  put each record into a field (call it field1) 
> of
> each card

Do you know how the records in the textfile are separated ?
With a CR or something ?
That would help.

> so is this correct (well I know it isn'tbut am I close?)

Yo, quite close ;-)

> put "fred.txt" into filename
> open file filename for read
> put 1 into i
> repeat
>     read from file filename until EOF
>     put it into field field1 of card i
> end repeat
> close file filename
>
> thanks
>
> miock

I think it would be effective to read the file into a var first.
Then parse the var and put it into some fields.

But we need more info about the records are stored.

Example: Each record is a "line" in your file -> CR separated.

Then you could script:

put url"file:fred.txt" into the_recs
put the num of cds into noc
repeat with i = 1 to noc
   put line i of the_recs into fld 1 of cd i
end repeat

you get the picture...


Regards


Klaus Major
k_major at osnabrueck.netsurf.de



From rcozens at pon.net  Wed Apr 17 12:37:01 2002
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Wed Apr 17 12:37:01 2002
Subject: assigning array data
In-Reply-To: <a05100304b8e3591f34bf@[216.229.107.101]>
References: <MDEBKFHHPGJAMBLMPEBKMEJFCEAA.chipp@chipp.com>
 <a05100304b8e3591f34bf@[216.229.107.101]>
Message-ID: <a05100301b8e361d540c4@[216.229.107.101]>

>>This should be a simple one. But, I can't get it. How do I 
>>explicitly assign a value to an "n" dimensional array?
>>
>>for instance: does this work?
>>
>>put ["17","35"] into myarray[1,1]
>>put ["24","32"] into myarray[1,2]
>
>Hi Chip,
>
>No, that doesn't work, because RunRev's array notation is limited to 
>one dimension.

But you could create a "quasi array" using keys:

   put someValue into myArray["1,1"]
   get myArray["1,2"]
-- 

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Apr 17 14:57:01 2002
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed Apr 17 14:57:01 2002
Subject: User Level and Password Protection
References: <B8E27736.855%harrison@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <021301c1e649$2f1215c0$420e48a6@mckinley.dom>

Rick,

Sure... sorry for being a little opaque. I believe someone on the list
earlier was using a stack to store images that he didn't want others who had
Revolution to be able to see (since they are copyright protected images).
Setting the password does not prevent someone from *opening* your stack; it
only prevents people from seeing your scripts. I was saying that there were
other methods necessary to prevent people from looking at card data that
could be implemented. But this doesn't seem to be needed in your case.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Harrison" <harrison at all-auctions.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2002 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: User Level and Password Protection


> on 4/16/2002 11:47 AM, Ken Ray at kray at sonsothunder.com wrote:
>
> > Rick,
> >
> > You *can* set a password for your stacks to prevent people from looking
at
> > your scripts. (Look under the "password" property in the Transcript
> > Dictionary.) And you can set the "cantModify" of the stack to prevent
people
> > from adding or changing data in your stacks. What you need to do
manually
> > (if you need this at all) is to put something in to prevent certain
people
> > from *looking* at the data in your stacks - this would need a login
screen
> > or equivalent.
> >
> > Ken Ray
>
> Ken,
>
> Thanks for directing me in the correct direction.
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by something to prevent
> certain people from *looking* at the data in my stack.
>
> The only data they should be seeing is the data I want
> to show to them.  Other data is all in hidden fields.
> Could you be more verbose?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rick
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From steve at messimercomputing.com  Wed Apr 17 15:00:01 2002
From: steve at messimercomputing.com (Steve Messimer)
Date: Wed Apr 17 15:00:01 2002
Subject: Plug-in question
Message-ID: <B8E2E99E.5B2%steve@messimercomputing.com>

I have been working on a plug-in for sometime now.  I need to know how to
lock it down. In HC I would hust set the userlevel to the Browse mode.  As
there isn't such a thing in Rev I need some sort of alternative. Basically I
want to secure my code. Can I just make it a standalone?  This may be
problematic because I am not sure whether a Plug-in is an exacutable file
like a standalone.(probably not as it works within REV)

Anybody got some ideas

Steve

Stephen R. Messimer
Messimer Computing, Inc
2501 14th Ave South
Escanaba, MI 49829
www.messimercomputing.com






From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Apr 17 15:00:10 2002
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed Apr 17 15:00:10 2002
Subject: how quit ?
References: <p05100300b8e33a4d0c8c@[10.0.1.202]>
Message-ID: <023a01c1e649$9c262070$420e48a6@mckinley.dom>

how quit ?Yves,

Any reason you can't do:

on doquit
  quit
end doquit

???

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: yves COPPE 
  To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 9:44 AM
  Subject: how quit ?


  Hi,


  I've a mainstack with many substacks (on Mac)
  to quit, I've written the following code (called by a menupick handler) :


  on doquit
    put the openStacks into tstacks
    put the number of lines of tstacks into totLines
    repeat with x = totLines down to 1
      put line x of tstacks into tLine
      if tLine contains "Rev" then
        delete line x of tStacks
      end if
    end repeat
    filter tStacks with "*?"
    repeat for each line L in tStacks
      save stack L
      close stack L
    end repeat
  end doquit


  In rev, it works fine
  in a standalone, nothing happens. I can't quit. Why ?
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From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Wed Apr 17 15:27:01 2002
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Wed Apr 17 15:27:01 2002
Subject: how quit ?
In-Reply-To: <023a01c1e649$9c262070$420e48a6@mckinley.dom>
References: <p05100300b8e33a4d0c8c@[10.0.1.202]>
 <023a01c1e649$9c262070$420e48a6@mckinley.dom>
Message-ID: <p05100300b8e389c07fa6@[10.0.1.201]>

>Yves,
>
>Any reason you can't do:
>
>on doquit
>   quit
>end doquit
>
>???
>


Does it "save" the stacksInUse ?

Yhanks.
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From shaosean at unitz.ca  Wed Apr 17 16:14:01 2002
From: shaosean at unitz.ca (Shao Sean)
Date: Wed Apr 17 16:14:01 2002
Subject: Plug-in question
References: <B8E2E99E.5B2%steve@messimercomputing.com>
Message-ID: <001101c1e653$a8cdd3e0$88b15bd1@lanfear>

try saving it as a standalone file and slapping a password on it..



From Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com  Wed Apr 17 16:45:01 2002
From: Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com (Roger.E.Eller at sealedair.com)
Date: Wed Apr 17 16:45:01 2002
Subject: Plug-in question
Message-ID: <OF839CA588.94FEA6CF-ON85256B9E.0076CDAD@sealedair.com>

I believe the syntax for that is as follows...

set the password of stack myStack to mypassword -- [with slap]

Sorry, I couldn't resist.   ;-D
~Roger






"Shao Sean" <shaosean at unitz.ca>@lists.runrev.com on 04/17/2002 05:05:52 PM

Please respond to use-revolution at lists.runrev.com

Sent by:  use-revolution-admin at lists.runrev.com


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try saving it as a standalone file and slapping a password on it..

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From drvaughan55 at mac.com  Wed Apr 17 17:29:01 2002
From: drvaughan55 at mac.com (David Vaughan)
Date: Wed Apr 17 17:29:01 2002
Subject: assigning array data
In-Reply-To: <a05100304b8e3591f34bf@[216.229.107.101]>
Message-ID: <01CA351C-5252-11D6-917B-000393598038@mac.com>


On Thursday, April 18, 2002, at 02:56 , Rob Cozens wrote:

> This should be a simple one. But, I can't get it. How do I explicitly 
> assign a value to an "n" dimensional array?
>
> ?
>
> for instance: does this work?
>
> ?
>
> put ["17","35"] into myarray[1,1]
>
> put ["24","32"] into myarray[1,2]
>
>
> Hi Chip,

Rob
>
> No, that doesn't work, because RunRev's array notation is limited to 
> one dimension.

Well, it is and it isn't, so to speak. Your approach seems rather 
complex when it can be handled in a virtual manner.
>
> See my post of 16 April:? Re: Quotes Required Around Keys in 2 
> Dimensional Arrays?

See my post on "assigning array data" of the same date.

cheers
David
> --
>
>
> Rob Cozens
> CCW, Serendipity Software Company
> http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm
>
> "And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
> Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."
>
> from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)
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From matt.denton at limelight.com.au  Wed Apr 17 18:09:01 2002
From: matt.denton at limelight.com.au (Matt Denton)
Date: Wed Apr 17 18:09:01 2002
Subject: Arrays and Custom Properties
In-Reply-To: <200204161603.MAA14631@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <78B848B4-5257-11D6-A190-0003930B4708@limelight.com.au>

Howdy.

Does anyone know if you can set arrays for custom properties?

I'm trying to do something like:

on mouseUp
   put 100 into myArray["this"]
   put 200 into myArray["that"]
   set the cMyArray of button "test" to myArray
end mouseUp

...but get an array error all the time.  I've got 200 objects in the 
array.

Do you know if my notation wrong?

Docs say you can:

> Custom Properties
> A custom property is a property that you define. You can create as many 
> custom properties for an object as you want, and put any kind of data 
> into them (even binary data). The value of a custom property can be a 
> string or array.

Anyone know what's wrong?  You can copy arrays between two containers 
quite easily so...

Probably simply notation...

Thanks for your help!

M@
Matt Denton



From signe.sanne at roman.uib.no  Thu Apr 18 02:07:01 2002
From: signe.sanne at roman.uib.no (Signe Marie Sanne)
Date: Thu Apr 18 02:07:01 2002
Subject: Arrays
Message-ID: <p05100300b8e41a824c8c@[129.177.205.244]>

Hello to Chip and all of you,

Just some small scripts to clarify for others the use of arrays 
(which I recently have tried to find out about):

on mouseUp
   put "Mia" into animals ["cat"]
   put "Baltus" into animals ["dog"]
   combine animals using cr and "="
   put animals into fld "ny"
end mouseUp

Fld "ny" now contains:
cat=Mia
dog=Baltus

You can then try out a "multidimensional" array like this:

on mouseUp
   put "Misse" into animals["cat","white",1]
   put "Tinne" into animals["cat","white",2]
   put "Vinne" into animals["cat","white",3]
  ---Or another way to do it:
#put "Misse,Tinne,Vinne" into temp
# repeat with i = 1 to number of items of temp
    # put item i of temp into animals["cat","white",i]
#  end repeat
------------------------------
   put "Monni" into animals["dog","brown",1]
   put "Tokke" into animals["dog","brown",2]
  ---Or another way to do it:
  # put "Monni,Tokke" into temp
   #repeat with i = 1 to number of items of temp
    # put item i of temp into animals["dog","brown",i]
   #end repeat
------------------------------
put "Minni" into animals["dog","white",1]
put "Tikke" into animals["dog","white",2]
   put "minni,Tikke" into temp
  ---Or another way to do it:
   #repeat with i = 1 to number of items of temp
    # put item i of temp into animals["dog","white",i]
  # end repeat
------------------
  combine animals using cr and "="
   put animals into fld "ny" --or use a variable
end mouseUp

Fld "ny" now contains:

cat,white,1=Misse
cat,white,2=Tinne
cat,white,3=Vinne
dog,brown,1=Monni
dog,brown,2=Tokke
dog,white,1=Minni
dog,white,2=Tikke

Then you can easily extract whatever data you want to extract...

Regards
Signe Marie Sanne
-- 

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Norway



From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Thu Apr 18 02:45:01 2002
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Thu Apr 18 02:45:01 2002
Subject: Arrays and Custom Properties
In-Reply-To: <78B848B4-5257-11D6-A190-0003930B4708@limelight.com.au>
References: <78B848B4-5257-11D6-A190-0003930B4708@limelight.com.au>
Message-ID: <p05101500b8e42857a7ed@[192.168.123.3]>

At 9:04 am +1000 18/4/02, Matt Denton wrote:
>Howdy.
>
>Does anyone know if you can set arrays for custom properties?
>
>I'm trying to do something like:
>
>on mouseUp
>   put 100 into myArray["this"]
>   put 200 into myArray["that"]
>   set the cMyArray of button "test" to myArray
>end mouseUp
>
>...but get an array error all the time.  I've got 200 objects in the array.

Try like this:

on mouseUp
   put 100 into myArray["this"]
   put 200 into myArray["that"]
   set the customProperties["cMyPropertySet"] of button "test" to myArray
end mouseUp

Cheers
Dave Cragg


From rolfk at vetvir.unizh.ch  Thu Apr 18 03:05:00 2002
From: rolfk at vetvir.unizh.ch (Rolf Kocherhans)
Date: Thu Apr 18 03:05:00 2002
Subject: Stacks and Menus (Mac vers. Windows)
Message-ID: <p05101502b8e420a81fe5@[130.60.97.38]>

Well maybe I did not explain well enough, I do want on the Mac side 
to have the menus in the menubar, and I do want the menus to be in 
the individual Windows of the Stacks on an PC.

So that a user from each platform has no problems to use the stacks !

My question was, how do i go about having menus distributed into 
several stacks ?
Is it possible at all ?

On a Mac, since the menu is displayed in the menubar you can open 10 
other Stacks after that, the menus work then for every open Stack.

On windows it is not so, because the menus are displayed in only one 
Stacks Window.

My question is, how do I go about, that every stack on Windows has 
cloned menus from the first loaded Stack ?

Can I say something like "Stack "Dialer" display the menues of Stack 
"Application Navigator"", or do I have to make menus in every Stack 
so that they are displayed in every window, on an PC !

I know that the second method works, but if I want to change a menu I 
have to change it in every Stack !

Cheers
Rolf

>Well, I don't believe you can use the menus from another stack, but you can
>setup your stack to use the MacOS Menu Bar instead of showing a custom menu
>bar (like on Windows).  Inside the stack's properties, set the "Menu Bar"
>property to the name of the stack's menuGroup.  That way when the stack is
>loaded on a Mac the menus will appear in the MacOS Menu Bar, and on Windows
>it will load in the Stack window.
>
>There is also a command to hide the menuBar on the stack.  I would setup a
>script to check with system the stack is being loaded on.  If it's a Mac
>then hide the menuGroup.  If it's Windows then show the menuGroup.  Hope
>that helps.
>
>Derek Bump


From webmaster at studioalice.se  Thu Apr 18 03:11:01 2002
From: webmaster at studioalice.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Magnus_von_Br=F6msen?=)
Date: Thu Apr 18 03:11:01 2002
Subject: Repeat for each line?
Message-ID: <3356EB42-52A3-11D6-A2A6-003065CCBD1A@studioalice.se>

Hi all Experts.

I have one list field ("articles") with this handler:

on addOrder
   repeat for each line x in field "articles"
     if the foregroundColor of x = 204,0,0 then
     put x after redLine
     end if
   end repeat
   put redLine into field "order"
end addOrder

I want every line there the color of the text is 204,0,0 (red) to be put 
in the variable redLine. I have read the help-file about repeat  several 
times, but I cant solve it. Please help...
This is the error I get:

  ? There was an Execution Error at 10:04:07 AM
Error description:  Object Name:
Object: field id 1281 of card id 1053 of stack "complete" of stack "/Big 
mama/Users/magnusvb/Documents/14 folder/STS 3 folder/Priser.rev"
--------------------
repeat for each line x in field "articles"
--------------------
Value: Basic	


The message "addOrder" is sent from a button outside the field:

on mouseUp
   send addOrder to field "articles"
end mouseUp

Thanks in advance
Magnus von Bromsen



From drvaughan55 at mac.com  Thu Apr 18 04:17:01 2002
From: drvaughan55 at mac.com (David Vaughan)
Date: Thu Apr 18 04:17:01 2002
Subject: revCopyFile
Message-ID: <8EF46478-52AC-11D6-852D-000393598038@mac.com>

I am trying to use revCopyFile for the first time. In the course of 
trying to work out why it does not do it for me, I put the following 
test script in the message box:

put "/Elsewhere/Users/davidv/Desktop/Telstra usage" into sPath
put "/Elsewhere/Users/davidv/tmp/" into dPath
put spath & return & dpath
revCopyFile spath,dpath

The message box shows the two paths as written above, but not copy 
happens (and nor if I include a file name as part of dPath).

If I switch the last two lines, thus:

put "/Elsewhere/Users/davidv/Desktop/Telstra usage" into sPath
put "/Elsewhere/Users/davidv/tmp/" into dPath
revCopyFile spath,dpath
put spath & return & dpath

Then not only does the copy not happen but the message box remains 
obstinately empty.

What gives, please?

thanks
David



From jeanne at runrev.com  Thu Apr 18 05:25:01 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Thu Apr 18 05:25:01 2002
Subject: Repeat for each line?
In-Reply-To: <3356EB42-52A3-11D6-A2A6-003065CCBD1A@studioalice.se>
Message-ID: <v03130309b8e44b1bee69@[216.99.198.98]>

At 1:06 AM -0700 4/18/2002, Magnus von Br?msen wrote:
>on addOrder
>   repeat for each line x in field "articles"
>     if the foregroundColor of x = 204,0,0 then

The problem here is that when you use this form of the repeat loop, your
variable "x" contains the actual text of the line. And a variable has no
foregroundColor as such - it's just the line contents - so no go. It's like
saying "if the foregroundColor of "foo" is 204,0,0".

Here's one alternative:

  on addOrder
    repeat with x = 1 to the number of lines of field "articles"
    -- with this form, "x" is the line number, not the contents
      if the foregroundColor of line x of field "articles" is "204,0,0"
      then put line x of field "articles" & return after redLine
    end repeat
    put redLine into field "order"
  end addOrder

That is pretty straightforward - you're checking every line in the field,
in order - but it is not very efficient. If the field "articles" has a lot
of lines, more speed may be needed. Here's another way that should be
faster:

  on addOrder
    repeat for each line thisLine in the htmlText of field "articles"
    -- "thisLine" contains the htmlText, and the htmlText contains
    -- tags for all the formatting, so you can check it for color:
      if "font color="#CC0000" is in thisLine
      then put thisLine & return after redLine
    end repeat
    set the htmlText of field "order" to redLine
    -- include the next line if you want to remove formatting from
    -- the "order" field (formatting is still there because you used
    -- the htmlText):
    put field "order" into field "order"
  end addOrder

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From webmaster at studioalice.se  Thu Apr 18 06:20:01 2002
From: webmaster at studioalice.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Magnus_von_Br=F6msen?=)
Date: Thu Apr 18 06:20:01 2002
Subject: Repeat for each line?
In-Reply-To: <v03130309b8e44b1bee69@[216.99.198.98]>
Message-ID: <9D1A16F4-52BD-11D6-A2A6-003065CCBD1A@studioalice.se>

Thanks Jeanne,
for your fast and excellent help!

It works great. So far I have only tried the first one (the field 
contains  max 50 lines). But I will try the others later.

Thanks.
Magnus


On torsdag, april 18, 2002, at 12:16 , Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote:

> At 1:06 AM -0700 4/18/2002, Magnus von Br?msen wrote:
>> on addOrder
>>   repeat for each line x in field "articles"
>>     if the foregroundColor of x = 204,0,0 then
>
> The problem here is that when you use this form of the repeat loop, your
> variable "x" contains the actual text of the line. And a variable has no
> foregroundColor as such - it's just the line contents - so no go. It's 
> like
> saying "if the foregroundColor of "foo" is 204,0,0".
>
> Here's one alternative:
>
>   on addOrder
>     repeat with x = 1 to the number of lines of field "articles"
>     -- with this form, "x" is the line number, not the contents
>       if the foregroundColor of line x of field "articles" is "204,0,0"
>       then put line x of field "articles" & return after redLine
>     end repeat
>     put redLine into field "order"
>   end addOrder
>
> That is pretty straightforward - you're checking every line in the 
> field,
> in order - but it is not very efficient. If the field "articles" has a 
> lot
> of lines, more speed may be needed. Here's another way that should be
> faster:
>
>   on addOrder
>     repeat for each line thisLine in the htmlText of field "articles"
>     -- "thisLine" contains the htmlText, and the htmlText contains
>     -- tags for all the formatting, so you can check it for color:
>       if "font color="#CC0000" is in thisLine
>       then put thisLine & return after redLine
>     end repeat
>     set the htmlText of field "order" to redLine
>     -- include the next line if you want to remove formatting from
>     -- the "order" field (formatting is still there because you used
>     -- the htmlText):
>     put field "order" into field "order"
>   end addOrder
>
> --
> Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
> Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
> http://www.runrev.com/
>
>
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From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 18 07:39:00 2002
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Thu Apr 18 07:39:00 2002
Subject: Stacks and Menus (Mac vers. Windows)
In-Reply-To: <p05101502b8e420a81fe5@[130.60.97.38]>
Message-ID: <20020418123529.96192.qmail@web11906.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Rolf,

First of all, on the Mac, the menubar actually
swtiches when you activate a different stack ; if the
two stacks have the same menubar, you don't notice
this, but it does happen.
You can easily test this by making two stacks, each
with a different menubar, and switching between them ;
this is actually a pretty neat feature, and it reminds
me of older applications that would add a menu item
depending on what object you are currently using,
instead of having a cluttered menubar with menus that
ren't applicable to what you're dloing at that time.

Now, without having tested this method, I think that
you should be able to "clone" the menubar of another
stack : as the menubar is actually implemented as a
group of popup-menu bttons, it should be possible to
"copy" and "paste" that group from one stack to
another.
Look at the Transcript documentation for the correct
syntax of the copy, paste and clone commands.

I'd place such a procedure in the openStack of each
stack so that it copies its menubar from the correct
'template' stack.
You might have to fiddle around a bit in order to find
the custom property that defines it as a mac menubar.

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish
at the same time."  (De Rochefoucald)

--- Rolf Kocherhans <rolfk at vetvir.unizh.ch> wrote:
> Well maybe I did not explain well enough, I do want
> on the Mac side 
> to have the menus in the menubar, and I do want the
> menus to be in 
> the individual Windows of the Stacks on an PC.
> 
> So that a user from each platform has no problems to
> use the stacks !
> 
> My question was, how do i go about having menus
> distributed into 
> several stacks ?
> Is it possible at all ?
> 
> On a Mac, since the menu is displayed in the menubar
> you can open 10 
> other Stacks after that, the menus work then for
> every open Stack.
> 
> On windows it is not so, because the menus are
> displayed in only one 
> Stacks Window.
> 
> My question is, how do I go about, that every stack
> on Windows has 
> cloned menus from the first loaded Stack ?
> 
> Can I say something like "Stack "Dialer" display the
> menues of Stack 
> "Application Navigator"", or do I have to make menus
> in every Stack 
> so that they are displayed in every window, on an PC
> !
> 
> I know that the second method works, but if I want
> to change a menu I 
> have to change it in every Stack !
> 
> Cheers
> Rolf

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From matt.denton at limelight.com.au  Thu Apr 18 08:19:01 2002
From: matt.denton at limelight.com.au (Matt Denton)
Date: Thu Apr 18 08:19:01 2002
Subject: Arrays and Custom Properties
In-Reply-To: <200204172210.SAA18227@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <41E5BAA0-52CE-11D6-97A8-0003930B4708@limelight.com.au>

Hello again,

Not sure if anyone responded to my [Q] earlier, I'm on Digest View and 
nuffin yet in my in-box.

I'm trying to confirm what I've now guessed about Custom Properties: you 
can use arrays with Properties but the Keys of your array essentially 
become the Property Sets.

Seems setting the customPropertySets is the only way to set up an array 
in a property, giving you a huge number of property sets if you have a 
huge array. In other words you can't set a property to an array, as a 
property is essentially one element in the array (named by the set).

Hope this is right and hope I didn't confuse anyone! Think it is like 
this: Property Set = array keys;  Property = key's value.

Of course I might be completely wrong but then I'd love to know how to 
set a Property to an array value (my original [Q]).  Anyway back to 
yummy scripting!

Chow,

M@
Matt Denton



From matt.denton at limelight.com.au  Thu Apr 18 08:41:00 2002
From: matt.denton at limelight.com.au (Matt Denton)
Date: Thu Apr 18 08:41:00 2002
Subject: Arrays and Custom Properties
In-Reply-To: <41E5BAA0-52CE-11D6-97A8-0003930B4708@limelight.com.au>
Message-ID: <4BD66143-52D1-11D6-97A8-0003930B4708@limelight.com.au>

Whoops, please ignore my last e-mail.  On closer examination of the 
customProperties documentation, seems like I was slightly wrong, out by 
one level.  Seems Sets are like array names; Properties are like array 
keys.  Accessing arrays is done by setting customProperties.

My sincerest apologies if I've confused anyone!  Best let a Rev expert 
clarify this completely after my little blunder in understanding (it is 
late here in Australia and I'm on my 2nd shift!)

Cheers,

M@
Matt Denton



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Apr 18 08:56:01 2002
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu Apr 18 08:56:01 2002
Subject: how quit ?
References: <p05100300b8e33a4d0c8c@[10.0.1.202]> <023a01c1e649$9c262070$420e48a6@mckinley.dom> <p05100300b8e389c07fa6@[10.0.1.201]>
Message-ID: <01a001c1e6df$eb04a450$7c00a8c0@mckinley.dom>

Good question. Most likely not. You should probably cycle through them and
save them before executing 'quit'.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "yves COPPE" <yvescoppe at skynet.be>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2002 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: how quit ?


> >Yves,
> >
> >Any reason you can't do:
> >
> >on doquit
> >   quit
> >end doquit
> >
> >???
> >
>
>
> Does it "save" the stacksInUse ?
>
> Yhanks.
> --
> Greetings.
>
> Yves COPPE
>
> Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From matt.denton at limelight.com.au  Thu Apr 18 09:46:01 2002
From: matt.denton at limelight.com.au (Matt Denton)
Date: Thu Apr 18 09:46:01 2002
Subject: Deleting elements out of an array
In-Reply-To: <4BD66143-52D1-11D6-97A8-0003930B4708@limelight.com.au>
Message-ID: <743158FC-52DA-11D6-97A8-0003930B4708@limelight.com.au>

Hey back again.

Here's a tip on deleting elements from an array:

You might expect the following to delete "firstElement":

on mouseUp
   put 100 into myArray["firstElement"]
   put 200 into myArray["secondElement"]
   delete myArray["firstElement"]
   put the keys of myArray
end mouseUp

...however if you are not explicit, delete assumes a global array.  You 
need this:

on mouseUp
   put 100 into myArray["firstElement"]
   put 200 into myArray["secondElement"]
   delete local myArray["firstElement"]  # <-- local has been added
   put the keys of myArray
end mouseUp

A small snag that trapped me up tonight.  Useful to know anyway and not 
in docs.

Chow and good night.

M@

Matt Denton



From shaosean at unitz.ca  Thu Apr 18 15:25:00 2002
From: shaosean at unitz.ca (Shao Sean)
Date: Thu Apr 18 15:25:00 2002
Subject: Deleting elements out of an array
References: <743158FC-52DA-11D6-97A8-0003930B4708@limelight.com.au>
Message-ID: <000501c1e716$0908e840$88b15bd1@lanfear>

actually the  first form you used:
> on mouseUp
>    put 100 into myArray["firstElement"]
>    put 200 into myArray["secondElement"]
>    delete myArray["firstElement"]
>    put the keys of myArray
> end mouseUp

will delete the whole variable, not just the entry you want..

use "delete variable myArray["firstElement"] will delete just the entry you
want..



From shaosean at unitz.ca  Thu Apr 18 15:28:01 2002
From: shaosean at unitz.ca (Shao Sean)
Date: Thu Apr 18 15:28:01 2002
Subject: Repeat for each line?
References: <v03130309b8e44b1bee69@[216.99.198.98]>
Message-ID: <001f01c1e716$776b9300$88b15bd1@lanfear>

>     repeat with x = 1 to the number of lines of field "articles"

i'd replace this line with

put the number of lines of field "articles" into vNumberOfLines
repeat with x = 1 to vNumberOfLines

this way the number of lines is only calculated once instead of through
every repeat..




From jeanne at runrev.com  Thu Apr 18 16:09:00 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Thu Apr 18 16:09:00 2002
Subject: Repeat for each line?
In-Reply-To: <001f01c1e716$776b9300$88b15bd1@lanfear>
References: <v03130309b8e44b1bee69@[216.99.198.98]>
Message-ID: <v0313030db8e4e56040a2@[216.99.198.98]>

At 1:20 PM -0700 4/18/2002, Shao Sean wrote:
>>     repeat with x = 1 to the number of lines of field "articles"
>
>i'd replace this line with
>
>put the number of lines of field "articles" into vNumberOfLines
>repeat with x = 1 to vNumberOfLines
>
>this way the number of lines is only calculated once instead of through
>every repeat..

It's only calculated once regardless.

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From derekbronston at earthlink.net  Thu Apr 18 18:40:01 2002
From: derekbronston at earthlink.net (Derek)
Date: Thu Apr 18 18:40:01 2002
Subject: losing code??
In-Reply-To: <743158FC-52DA-11D6-97A8-0003930B4708@limelight.com.au>
Message-ID: <B8E4D188.2740%derekbronston@earthlink.net>

has anyone else experienced this??
The script getting lost and replaced by  weird characters. Sometimes it
happens if it unexpectadly quits, but also it happens just going between
objects in the objects pallete? I've had this problem in OS 9,2 and OSX ,
mostly i use OSX .

Also the do command only seems to intermttently, and insert script doesn't
seem to really work at all??

thanks

derek




From shaosean at unitz.ca  Thu Apr 18 18:53:01 2002
From: shaosean at unitz.ca (Shao Sean)
Date: Thu Apr 18 18:53:01 2002
Subject: Repeat for each line?
References: <v03130309b8e44b1bee69@[216.99.198.98]> <v0313030db8e4e56040a2@[216.99.198.98]>
Message-ID: <001501c1e733$24ade8d0$88b15bd1@lanfear>

> It's only calculated once regardless.
that's nice to know =)  perhaps making a note in the docs about that? (i
thought i saw somewhere that it was calculated every pass, of course that
could have been a different language)



From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Thu Apr 18 20:57:01 2002
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah)
Date: Thu Apr 18 20:57:01 2002
Subject: Plug-in question
In-Reply-To: <p0510155eb8e385ad9c59@[192.168.1.2]>
Message-ID: <15AA7ECA-5338-11D6-8CAC-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

How about setting the password AND setting the stack's mode to palette.

Sarah

On Thursday, April 18, 2002, at 06:03  am, Steve Messimer wrote:

> I have been working on a plug-in for sometime now.  I need to know how 
> to
> lock it down. In HC I would hust set the userlevel to the Browse mode.  
> As
> there isn't such a thing in Rev I need some sort of alternative. 
> Basically I
> want to secure my code. Can I just make it a standalone?  This may be
> problematic because I am not sure whether a Plug-in is an exacutable 
> file
> like a standalone.(probably not as it works within REV)
>
> Anybody got some ideas
>
> Steve
>
> Stephen R. Messimer
> Messimer Computing, Inc
> 2501 14th Ave South
> Escanaba, MI 49829
> www.messimercomputing.com
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>




From jeanne at runrev.com  Thu Apr 18 21:24:01 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Thu Apr 18 21:24:01 2002
Subject: Repeat for each line?
In-Reply-To: <001501c1e733$24ade8d0$88b15bd1@lanfear>
References: <v03130309b8e44b1bee69@[216.99.198.98]>
 <v0313030db8e4e56040a2@[216.99.198.98]>
Message-ID: <v0313030eb8e51b6cf356@[216.99.198.98]>

At 4:45 PM -0700 4/18/2002, Shao Sean wrote:
>> It's only calculated once regardless.
>that's nice to know =)  perhaps making a note in the docs about that?

Like where it says in the dictionary under "repeat control structure":

"As with the for number times form described above, the startValue and
endValue are evaluated when the loop is first entered, and are not
re-evaluated as a result of any actions performed in the statementList."\

? ;-)

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From shaosean at unitz.ca  Thu Apr 18 21:28:01 2002
From: shaosean at unitz.ca (Shao Sean)
Date: Thu Apr 18 21:28:01 2002
Subject: Repeat for each line?
References: <v03130309b8e44b1bee69@[216.99.198.98]> <v0313030db8e4e56040a2@[216.99.198.98]> <v0313030eb8e51b6cf356@[216.99.198.98]>
Message-ID: <001f01c1e748$d796cb50$88b15bd1@lanfear>

> Like where it says in the dictionary under "repeat control structure":

that'd probably be the most logical spot, hence the reason why the majority
of us have missed it.. perhaps if it was stated in the splash screen as
well? ;-)



From iansummerfield at btconnect.com  Fri Apr 19 03:27:01 2002
From: iansummerfield at btconnect.com (Ian Summerfield)
Date: Fri Apr 19 03:27:01 2002
Subject: testing whether the value of a variable is an array
In-Reply-To: <v03130315b8db71254ca0@[216.99.192.102]>
Message-ID: <B8E4FFA0.69E7%iansummerfield@btconnect.com>

On 11/4/02 5:58 pm, "Jeanne A. E. DeVoto" <jeanne at runrev.com> scribed:

This "@v" business is new to me.   I'm presuming the @ is similar to using
VAR in PASCAL for parameters:

  function test(var v:integer);

Compared to

  function test(v:integer);

A pointer to the variable is passed rather than the content?  Is there
anything else hidden away like using ^ or ^^ to reference pointers and
handles?

Which give better performace, using @ for parameters or no @?  Is there a
point whereby you'd use @,  e.g. Variable is larger than 500 bytes?


>> Is there a clean way to test this?  Currently I'm using a pragmatic test:
>> 
>>    function isArray @v
>>      if v <> empty then return false
>>      return (the keys of v <> empty)
>>    end isArray
>> 
>> Is this reasonable?  Is there a more 'official' way?
> 




From iansummerfield at btconnect.com  Fri Apr 19 05:03:01 2002
From: iansummerfield at btconnect.com (Ian Summerfield)
Date: Fri Apr 19 05:03:01 2002
Subject: An easier way to edit scripts?
In-Reply-To: <F72961C9-4823-11D6-8611-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <B8E5A8E0.6A42%iansummerfield@btconnect.com>

On 5/4/02 12:30 am, "Dar Scott" <dsc at swcp.com> scribed:

> I'm still new to Revolution.  Editing scripts is painfully slow
> because I don't remember the name of a command or function, much
> less its syntax.  Trying to guess at the name by repeatedly typing
> ideas into the Transcript dictionary is slow.
> 
> Does the script editor provide any help for the forgetful like me?
> 
> Dar Scott
> 

I only just read your message, I can't see anyone replied.  Yes, Revolution
can help you a little.  Turn on it's clairvoyance mode, select "Auto
Complete" from the view menu.    Now you can type parts of command/function
names and they'll appear down the bottom,  this is useful is you can't
remember the exact command but know part of it,  try "click".  To use one of
the suggestions type command-1 command-2 or whatever,  it's command on a
MAC, possibly control on a PC?

Another tip,  the transcript dictionary becomes more useful if you type what
you're looking for and press OPTION-RETURN,  possibly ALT-RETURN on a PC.
Instead of searching the command names only it now searches the
descriptions.



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Fri Apr 19 07:15:01 2002
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Fri Apr 19 07:15:01 2002
Subject: arrays (again)
Message-ID: <p05100300b8e5b78574d3@[10.0.1.202]>

Hi,

I've much learned the last few days about arrays in the list.

So I can build arrays, multidimensionnal also and save them in properties.


   put myvarOne into temp
   repeat with i = 1 to the number of items of temp
     put item i of temp into myData["Student","name",i]
   end repeat

   put myvarTwo into temp
   repeat with i = 1 to the number of items of temp
     put item i of temp into myData["prof","name",i]
   end repeat


My last line of script is now  :

   set the customProperties["cData"] of stack "arraystest" to myData



Now comes another question :

In another handler :
how can I get from the newly created customProperty an element of the 
array "cData"

It's a multidimensionnal array and I like the following element :

"student","Name","3" : --data called from the custom "cdata" ?

how can I proceed  ?

thanks.
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From tedl at voyager.net  Fri Apr 19 13:20:00 2002
From: tedl at voyager.net (Ted)
Date: Fri Apr 19 13:20:00 2002
Subject: Losing Code?
Message-ID: <002001c1e7ce$62443140$b8ce59cf@egl>

Derek wrote in part:

>has anyone else experienced this??
>The script getting lost and replaced by  weird characters. Sometimes it
>happens if it unexpectadly quits, but also it happens just going between
>objects in the objects pallete? I've had this problem in OS 9,2 and OSX ,
>mostly i use OSX .

I have occasionally experienced this: An entire script would be replaced by
only one short line of symbols. It hasn't happened often enough to nail it
with a recipe.

Ted






From bvlahos at jpl.nasa.gov  Fri Apr 19 16:00:00 2002
From: bvlahos at jpl.nasa.gov (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Fri Apr 19 16:00:00 2002
Subject: OS X Sheets
Message-ID: <F6248259-53D7-11D6-B9CB-000393853DBC@jpl.nasa.gov>

How can I go about implementing something like the slide out sheets that 
OS X apps have?

Bill Vlahos



From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Fri Apr 19 16:19:00 2002
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Dreamscape Software)
Date: Fri Apr 19 16:19:00 2002
Subject: OS X Sheets
References: <F6248259-53D7-11D6-B9CB-000393853DBC@jpl.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <004201c1e7e7$4f564500$6b01a8c0@powercom.net>

> How can I go about implementing something like the slide out sheets that
> OS X apps have?

It's actually pretty easy.  I did it in my (soon to be released) program
WebCam LIVE.  What you do is this.  Make a field with the standard
"scanlines" background that all the Aqua windows use.  Then set the
transparency on the field so that some of the card shows through.  Setup
your "sheet" objects as you would like them to appear.  When you've got
everything situated how you want it, make all of the objects, including the
field, into a group called "sheet" or something.

Then what you need to do is make a script that does 1 thing.  It moves it
from offscreen above and down to where it's visible.  YOu can use the move
command to simulate the Aqua version...

    move group "sheet" from oldLocation to newLocation

You might also want to set the move speed to something that seems like the
norm.  Then in your sheet, make an OK button that performs the changes and
moves the group back out of view.

If you have any trouble getting yours to work then e-mail me and I'll send
you a copy of the stack with the sheet I made.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software, Inc.
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/





From gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com  Fri Apr 19 17:39:01 2002
From: gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com (Geoff Canyon)
Date: Fri Apr 19 17:39:01 2002
Subject: OS X Sheets
In-Reply-To: <004201c1e7e7$4f564500$6b01a8c0@powercom.net>
References: <F6248259-53D7-11D6-B9CB-000393853DBC@jpl.nasa.gov>
 <004201c1e7e7$4f564500$6b01a8c0@powercom.net>
Message-ID: <a05100315b8e64b4640a4@[206.117.139.34]>

>> How can I go about implementing something like the slide out sheets that
>> OS X apps have?
>
>It's actually pretty easy.  I did it in my (soon to be released) program
>WebCam LIVE.  What you do is this.  Make a field with the standard
>"scanlines" background that all the Aqua windows use.  Then set the
>transparency on the field so that some of the card shows through.  Setup
>your "sheet" objects as you would like them to appear.  When you've got
>everything situated how you want it, make all of the objects, including the
>field, into a group called "sheet" or something.
>
>Then what you need to do is make a script that does 1 thing.  It moves it
>from offscreen above and down to where it's visible.  YOu can use the move
>command to simulate the Aqua version...
>
>    move group "sheet" from oldLocation to newLocation
>
>You might also want to set the move speed to something that seems like the
>norm.  Then in your sheet, make an OK button that performs the changes and
>moves the group back out of view.
>
>If you have any trouble getting yours to work then e-mail me and I'll send
>you a copy of the stack with the sheet I made.
>
>
>Derek Bump
>Dreamscape Software, Inc.
>http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/
>


You can also do this with visual effects:

-- show the "sheet":
  show group sheet with visual effect scroll down

-- put the "sheet" away:
  hide group sheet with visual effect reveal up

You can control the display speed with the effectRate property. The advantage is that you don't have to do any housework if the group changes size. Just make sure it's at the top of the window, and that nothing else is layered above it (or you _can_ layer something above if that's your intent).
-- 

regards,

Geoff Canyon
gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com



From harrison at all-auctions.com  Fri Apr 19 18:24:01 2002
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Fri Apr 19 18:24:01 2002
Subject: Text-To-Speech Speed
In-Reply-To: <F129dm5UxP9Fekzabtn00000fa0@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <B8E61E83.896%harrison@all-auctions.com>

on 4/14/2002 2:17 AM, Kurt Kaufman at kurtkaufman at hotmail.com wrote:

> 
> Here's one way to specify a voice by name ("Princess" being a specific voice
> available to the Speech Manager):
> 
> on mouseUp
> put "The text I want spoken." into myVar
> Do "say " &quote& myVar &quote& " using " &quote& Princess &quote as
> Applescript
> end mouseUp
> 
> 
> 
> -Kurt
> 

Kurt,

I really like these AppleScripts.

Is there one for changing the speed of the voices too?

Thanks,

Rick Harrison




From PMDA at earthlink.net  Fri Apr 19 20:24:01 2002
From: PMDA at earthlink.net (Tariel Gogoberidze)
Date: Fri Apr 19 20:24:01 2002
Subject: arrays (again)
References: <200204191601.MAA15275@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3CC0C05C.8E4C6C0D@earthlink.net>

> Message: 11
> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:11:51 +0200
> From: yves COPPE <yvescoppe at skynet.be>
> Subject: arrays (again)

.......

> Now comes another question :
> 
> In another handler :
> how can I get from the newly created customProperty an element of the
> array "cData"
> 
> It's a multidimensionnal array and I like the following element :
> "student","Name","3" : --data called from the custom "cdata" ?
> 
> how can I proceed  ?
> 
> thanks.
> Yves COPPE



put myData ["student","name","3"] -- should work

Best Regards
Tariel Gogoberidze


From gsaylor at net-virtual.com  Fri Apr 19 22:50:01 2002
From: gsaylor at net-virtual.com (Greg Saylor)
Date: Fri Apr 19 22:50:01 2002
Subject: CGI, MacOS-X, etc..
In-Reply-To: <20020420034404.13705@mail.earthlink.net>
References: <20020420034404.13705@mail.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20020420034649.15762@mail.earthlink.net>

Hello,

I have completely switched email addresses to resolve the HTML problem.    ;-)

Now I've got a wierd one.. I read with (I'm not embarassed to admit)
*great* interest the CGI examples which have been posted recently...

I downloaded the darwin engine (this is a Mac OS-X system) and it does
indeed work....   However, I can't seem to get it to work with the
"valentina" xcmd... Is there a way to do this?... I tried adding that
little resource fork or whatever they talk about to the script, but that
didn't do it...  

Is this possible?..

- Greg



From gsaylor at net-virtual.com  Fri Apr 19 23:00:00 2002
From: gsaylor at net-virtual.com (Greg Saylor)
Date: Fri Apr 19 23:00:00 2002
Subject: Another CGI question...
Message-ID: <20020420035706.31951@mail.earthlink.net>

Another CGI/scripting question...   What if I want to use the mc as a
general-purpose scripting engine... Is there some way to send output to
STDOUT/STDERR and recieve input from same?....  I looked but couldn't
find anything... ;-(

- Greg



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sat Apr 20 00:43:01 2002
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Sat Apr 20 00:43:01 2002
Subject: arrays (again)
In-Reply-To: <3CC0C05C.8E4C6C0D@earthlink.net>
References: <200204191601.MAA15275@www.runrev.com>
 <3CC0C05C.8E4C6C0D@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <p05100300b8e6af6168ca@[10.0.1.202]>

>  > Message: 11
>>  Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 14:11:51 +0200
>>  From: yves COPPE <yvescoppe at skynet.be>
>>  Subject: arrays (again)
>
>.......
>
>>  Now comes another question :
>>
>>  In another handler :
>>  how can I get from the newly created customProperty an element of the
>>  array "cData"
>>
>>  It's a multidimensionnal array and I like the following element :
>>  "student","Name","3" : --data called from the custom "cdata" ?
>>
>>  how can I proceed  ?
>>
>>  thanks.
>>  Yves COPPE
>
>
>put myData ["student","name","3"] -- should work
>
>


No,
I'm asking how to get your above script line from the custom property 
called cData.

thanks
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From dsc at swcp.com  Sat Apr 20 01:55:00 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sat Apr 20 01:55:00 2002
Subject: Text-To-Speech Speed
In-Reply-To: <B8E61E83.896%harrison@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <003C1960-542B-11D6-966C-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Friday, April 19, 2002, at 05:20 PM, Rick Harrison wrote:

> Is there one for changing the speed of the voices too?

Try this:

on mouseUp
put "The text [[rate 50]] I want spoken." into myVar
Do "say " & quote & myVar & quote as Applescript
end mouseUp

Look here for all you can put into the text to be spoken:
http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/mac/Sound/Sound-193.html

(For example, learn about [[ rate ... ]] here:
http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/mac/Sound/Sound-200.html
http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/mac/Sound/Sound-190.html#MARKER-9-93
)

I found "say" options with "Open Dictionary..." in the Script Editor.

Dar Scott



From dsc at swcp.com  Sat Apr 20 02:05:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sat Apr 20 02:05:01 2002
Subject: TTS, RR and OS X
In-Reply-To: <F2515vNkfdpdLLe3N4v000020b4@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <60D722E0-542C-11D6-966C-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Monday, April 15, 2002, at 01:34 PM, Kurt Kaufman wrote:

> [[rate 10000]]u

Perhaps the truncation is related to this.

Dar



From jcuccio at pacbell.net  Sat Apr 20 04:06:01 2002
From: jcuccio at pacbell.net (John Cuccio)
Date: Sat Apr 20 04:06:01 2002
Subject: value feature or bug
Message-ID: <B8E67CD2.136E%jcuccio@pacbell.net>

Mac 8.1 & 9 Rev 1.1 & 1.1.1
I was having a problem with the value keyword

I thought the value keyword would handle any container whether it was in
quotes or not. HC was this may. So I had started programming in rev 1.0 it
worked that way. Then I started having problems with my code in rev
1.1,stopped working on this project. Now I started working on it in rev
1.1.1. Still having a problem. I figured out what is going on.

"4Kim" is in field 1

code-- put the value of field 1 into x  -- this works

4Kim is in  field 1

code-- put the value of field 1 into x  -- this does not work

kim 4 is in field 1

code-- put the value of field 1 into x  -- this does not work

Ki4m is in field 1

code-- put the value of field 1 into x  -- this works

4 is in field 1

code-- put the value of field 1 into x  -- this works


if the beginning of a word in a container is a number and the container is
not in quotes. The value keyword returns an error. But if it is in quotes
then it does not return Error. I tested this in Rev 1.0. This does not
happen.






From harrison at all-auctions.com  Sat Apr 20 10:51:01 2002
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Richard Harrison)
Date: Sat Apr 20 10:51:01 2002
Subject: Text-To-Speech Speed
In-Reply-To: <003C1960-542B-11D6-966C-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <B8E705E9.8A1%harrison@all-auctions.com>

on 4/20/2002 2:51 AM, Dar Scott at dsc at swcp.com wrote:

> on mouseUp
> put "The text [[rate 50]] I want spoken." into myVar
> Do "say " & quote & myVar & quote as Applescript
> end mouseUp

Dar,

Perfect, just what I was looking for!

Thanks for all the great reference material too!!!

Rick Harrison



From Doug_Ivers at lord.com  Sat Apr 20 11:00:01 2002
From: Doug_Ivers at lord.com (Ivers, Doug E)
Date: Sat Apr 20 11:00:01 2002
Subject: send ___ to me in ___ sec
Message-ID: <6150F6099DBED111852E0008C7241464063CA5EC@NTSRV-CRD04>

In a case where I want something to happen after all other scripts in the queue have competed...
For example, I need to do some clean up after a card is deleted.  The deletedCard message is sent before the delete, so I'm using this:

 on deleteCard
    send updateList to field "myList" in 0.5 sec
end deleteCard

This works on my machine, but may not work on all machines in all situations.  Is there a more elegant way?  How can I put the send command at the end of the currently scripts?
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From JohnRule at aol.com  Sat Apr 20 12:27:01 2002
From: JohnRule at aol.com (JohnRule at aol.com)
Date: Sat Apr 20 12:27:01 2002
Subject: 'hack' test results
Message-ID: <d4.164951a9.29f2fdf9@aol.com>

> The only data they should be seeing is the data I want
> to show to them.  Other data is all in hidden fields.
> Could you be more verbose?


I just did another 'hack' test...with MCRipper this time:

http://www.inspiredlogic.com/mc/ripper.html

It cannot 'rip' password protected stacks (at least I couldn't get it to) so 
that is a relief.

MCRipper will 'rip' invisible objects (including any text or scripts) even if 
the stack is password protected. So the conclusion...any information in text 
fields (even hidden fields) is not totally safe.

Solution:
  Load the information from the field into a variable...then delete the text 
from the field. You are still susceptable to any 'prying' if you give the 
users the capability to load any stack (i.e. I could load a stack that 
searches all variables). You may have to go so far as to binaryConvert your 
data to/from the variable, and even further encryption for 110% protection 
(maybe break the data into pieces, and put it into multiple variables). I 
wish we didn't have to worry about this...it kind of kills the 'creative' 
juices.

MCRipper looks like a useful tool actually (I think the authors intentions 
are honest)...nice work! 

I wonder if I can 'rip' MCRipper...hmmm.


JR


From Doug_Ivers at lord.com  Sat Apr 20 13:02:01 2002
From: Doug_Ivers at lord.com (Ivers, Doug E)
Date: Sat Apr 20 13:02:01 2002
Subject: arrowkey
Message-ID: <6150F6099DBED111852E0008C7241464049B37E0@NTSRV-CRD04>

Why isn't the arrowKey message implemented on Macs?  Will it be in the future?  As a fall-back solution, I tried the keyDown message, but it isn't sent when I hit the arrow keys, at least on my PowerBook G3 running OSX.

-- D
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From ludovic.thebault at laposte.net  Sat Apr 20 14:50:01 2002
From: ludovic.thebault at laposte.net (Ludovic Th=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=E9?=bault)
Date: Sat Apr 20 14:50:01 2002
Subject: arrowkey
In-Reply-To: <6150F6099DBED111852E0008C7241464049B37E0@NTSRV-CRD04>
References: <6150F6099DBED111852E0008C7241464049B37E0@NTSRV-CRD04>
Message-ID: <20020420214420.3153CA%00000000@laposte.net>

Ivers, Doug E wrote:
>Why isn't the arrowKey message implemented on Macs?  Will it be in the future?  As a fall-back solution, I tried the keyDown message, but it isn't sent when I hit the arrow keys, at least on my PowerBook G3 running OSX.

I've the same problem last hour ! but i found the solution :

try :
on rawkeydown thekey
put thekey -- to known the "value" of the arrowkey
pass rawkeydown
end rawkeydown


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sat Apr 20 15:51:01 2002
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat Apr 20 15:51:01 2002
Subject: 'hack' test results
References: <d4.164951a9.29f2fdf9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001c1e8ac$2aabddd0$49f1bc42@mckinley.dom>

John,

Suppose if you have an application that can load any stack that you issue
"lock messages" before opening the stack. This way, the opened stack won't
get any messages to start hacking the app. This is a pretty secure way to
go, IMHO.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: <JohnRule at aol.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 12:23 PM
Subject: 'hack' test results


> > The only data they should be seeing is the data I want
> > to show to them.  Other data is all in hidden fields.
> > Could you be more verbose?
>
>
> I just did another 'hack' test...with MCRipper this time:
>
> http://www.inspiredlogic.com/mc/ripper.html
>
> It cannot 'rip' password protected stacks (at least I couldn't get it to)
so
> that is a relief.
>
> MCRipper will 'rip' invisible objects (including any text or scripts) even
if
> the stack is password protected. So the conclusion...any information in
text
> fields (even hidden fields) is not totally safe.
>
> Solution:
>   Load the information from the field into a variable...then delete the
text
> from the field. You are still susceptable to any 'prying' if you give the
> users the capability to load any stack (i.e. I could load a stack that
> searches all variables). You may have to go so far as to binaryConvert
your
> data to/from the variable, and even further encryption for 110% protection
> (maybe break the data into pieces, and put it into multiple variables). I
> wish we didn't have to worry about this...it kind of kills the 'creative'
> juices.
>
> MCRipper looks like a useful tool actually (I think the authors intentions
> are honest)...nice work!
>
> I wonder if I can 'rip' MCRipper...hmmm.
>
>
> JR
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>






From lists at retiariusenterprises.com  Sat Apr 20 15:52:01 2002
From: lists at retiariusenterprises.com (Dave)
Date: Sat Apr 20 15:52:01 2002
Subject: OS X Sheets (Aqua Lines)
In-Reply-To: <004201c1e7e7$4f564500$6b01a8c0@powercom.net>
Message-ID: <B8E73029.59F%lists@retiariusenterprises.com>

>> How can I go about implementing something like the slide out sheets that
>> OS X apps have?

>It's actually pretty easy.
[snip]

Thanks for the tip Derek.  This is most helpful.

> Make a field with the standard
> "scanlines" background that all the Aqua windows use.

I'm a little confused about this.  Is there a parameter in the field that
allows you to set this?  Do you import an image an assign it as the bg of
the field (I didn't see any parameter that would allow this either).

Also, is there a helpful web page out there that explains more about when to
use aqua lines and when not to?  I want to make sure I'm doing things right.

Many Thanks.

--
David E.



From kurtkaufman at hotmail.com  Sat Apr 20 16:24:01 2002
From: kurtkaufman at hotmail.com (Kurt Kaufman)
Date: Sat Apr 20 16:24:01 2002
Subject: TTS, RR and OS X
Message-ID: <A552EBE2-54A4-11D6-A0F2-00039348A1E6@hotmail.com>

Dar Scott wrote:
 >
 > > [[rate 10000]]u
 >
 >Perhaps the truncation is related to this.

Yes; most likely.  It's a workaround to enable the OS 8/9 Speech Manager 
to accept  >  ca. 40 pitch stipulations within one spoken string (I hope 
I have my terminology is clear enough here). Apparently, a voice will 
simply revert to a monotone after about 40 stipulations.  So I include a 
comma which will allow me to start a "new" string (within the same "say" 
command) with more pitch stipulations .....but this comma interferes 
with the rhythm of the "song".....so I include a single "u" sound at an 
extremely fast rate right before the comma to speed it up (yes, I hear 
you all groaning, but it works, or. at least it did in OS 8/9).  It very 
well may be that OS X doesn't like this workaround/kludge/abomination, 
and I'd have to figure out another way of bypassing the 40-pitch 
limitation.  However, for all I know the OS X Speech Manager doesn't 
have this  limitation (somehow I doubt that's changed, though). If I 
have the time I'll experiment to see if I can fashion another solution...

Kurt



From macstacks at earthlink.net  Sat Apr 20 16:33:01 2002
From: macstacks at earthlink.net (Bruce A. Pokras)
Date: Sat Apr 20 16:33:01 2002
Subject: Control printing of PDF files?
Message-ID: <f05010400b8e78da6927f@[192.168.1.100]>

I am hoping that someone can tell me how to print PDF files on the 
Mac using Revolution. In HyperCard, I could print PDFs directly using 
the "print " command:

print [full path to PDF file] with [full path to Acrobat Reader]

However, in Revolution, the "print" command is only useful for 
printing cards. Also,  Acrobat Reader is not AppleScriptable.

Regards,

Bruce Pokras
mac-stacks at kagi.com
http://www.kagi.com/mac-stacks



From PMDA at earthlink.net  Sat Apr 20 17:40:00 2002
From: PMDA at earthlink.net (Tariel Gogoberidze)
Date: Sat Apr 20 17:40:00 2002
Subject: arrays (again)
References: <200204201601.MAA28992@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3CC1EB5A.FCDDB88@earthlink.net>


>From: yves COPPE <yvescoppe at skynet.be>
<Subject: Re: arrays (again)

<No,
<I'm asking how to get your above script line from the custom property
<called cData.

<My last line of script is now  :
<set the customProperties["cData"] of stack "arraystest" to myData
<how can I get from the newly created customProperty an element of the 
<array "cData"

<It's a multidimensionnal array and I like the following element :
<"student","Name","3" : --data called from the custom "cdata" ?

Sorry, I misunderstood you. If I  follow you this time then use...

on mouseUp
  put  the short name of this stack into MYstackName
  put the cData ["student","name","3"] of stack MYstackName
end mouseUp

Best regards
Tariel Gogoberidze


From harrison at all-auctions.com  Sat Apr 20 20:53:01 2002
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Sat Apr 20 20:53:01 2002
Subject: Check Menu Items?
In-Reply-To: <A552EBE2-54A4-11D6-A0F2-00039348A1E6@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <B8E792E8.8AC%harrison@all-auctions.com>

Hi there,

Does anyone know of an easy way to put a checkmark
next to an item that has been selected in a menubar
to indicate that the item is the currently selected
item?

Thanks in advance!

Rick Harrison



From jeanne at runrev.com  Sat Apr 20 21:44:01 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Sat Apr 20 21:44:01 2002
Subject: Another CGI question...
In-Reply-To: <20020420035706.31951@mail.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <v03130314b8e6b2438974@[216.99.198.98]>

At 8:57 PM -0700 4/19/2002, Greg Saylor wrote:
>Another CGI/scripting question...   What if I want to use the mc as a
>general-purpose scripting engine... Is there some way to send output to
>STDOUT/STDERR and recieve input from same?....  I looked but couldn't
>find anything... ;-(

You can use read to file and write to file with stderr, stdin, and stdout. E.g.

  write "Ummm...oops" to file stderr
  read from stdin until return

Look up "stdin", "stderr", and "stdout" in the dictionary.

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From dk42 at mac.com  Sun Apr 21 02:34:01 2002
From: dk42 at mac.com (David Kwinter)
Date: Sun Apr 21 02:34:01 2002
Subject: 'hack' test results
In-Reply-To: <000001c1e8ac$2aabddd0$49f1bc42@mckinley.dom>
Message-ID: <9AAC1478-54F9-11D6-9B12-003065C7D368@mac.com>

I'm wondering if there any specific security concerns with respect to 
communication using sockets. In my program I have a basic math algorithm 
that scrambles a username/password in different ways, each expiring 
after use. Without this the server ignores requests received. Is this 
justified, could these messages be intercepted? Another technique which 
I question the security of is the possibility for someone being able to 
fudge someone else's ip in the format 24.255.255.0|775158599 in a 
request (which I also look for to validate them).

As far as I can tell the authentication seems solid, but any bug could 
be disastrous.

Also, is there a way to ignore IP's at any level above the RunRev 
environment? (to prevent flooding)

Thanks for any input, and I apologize if I've overlooked this topic 
earlier on the list.

David Kwinter

> John,
>
> Suppose if you have an application that can load any stack that you 
> issue
> "lock messages" before opening the stack. This way, the opened stack 
> won't
> get any messages to start hacking the app. This is a pretty secure way 
> to
> go, IMHO.
>
> Ken Ray
> Sons of Thunder Software
> Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
> Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <JohnRule at aol.com>
> To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 12:23 PM
> Subject: 'hack' test results
>
>
>>> The only data they should be seeing is the data I want
>>> to show to them.  Other data is all in hidden fields.
>>> Could you be more verbose?
>>
>>
>> I just did another 'hack' test...with MCRipper this time:
>>
>> http://www.inspiredlogic.com/mc/ripper.html
>>
>> It cannot 'rip' password protected stacks (at least I couldn't get it 
>> to)
> so
>> that is a relief.
>>
>> MCRipper will 'rip' invisible objects (including any text or scripts) 
>> even
> if
>> the stack is password protected. So the conclusion...any information in
> text
>> fields (even hidden fields) is not totally safe.
>>
>> Solution:
>>   Load the information from the field into a variable...then delete the
> text
>> from the field. You are still susceptable to any 'prying' if you give 
>> the
>> users the capability to load any stack (i.e. I could load a stack that
>> searches all variables). You may have to go so far as to binaryConvert
> your
>> data to/from the variable, and even further encryption for 110% 
>> protection
>> (maybe break the data into pieces, and put it into multiple 
>> variables). I
>> wish we didn't have to worry about this...it kind of kills the 
>> 'creative'
>> juices.
>>
>> MCRipper looks like a useful tool actually (I think the authors 
>> intentions
>> are honest)...nice work!
>>
>> I wonder if I can 'rip' MCRipper...hmmm.
>>
>>
>> JR
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From dsc at swcp.com  Sun Apr 21 02:46:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sun Apr 21 02:46:01 2002
Subject: Check Menu Items?
In-Reply-To: <B8E792E8.8AC%harrison@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <580B416E-54FB-11D6-B8A6-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Saturday, April 20, 2002, at 07:49 PM, Rick Harrison wrote:

> Does anyone know of an easy way to put a checkmark
> next to an item that has been selected in a menubar
> to indicate that the item is the currently selected
> item?

I haven't worked with a menu bar, but this is how I did it with 
button menus.

Put !c at the start of the line for the menu item in the text of 
the button.  There is no need to pad out the other menu items; 
formatting is automatic.

You might be interested in _ for a line separator, ( to dim, and !r 
for a dot.  The ( can be combined with !c and (I assume) !r.

Dar Scott




From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sun Apr 21 03:35:01 2002
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Sun Apr 21 03:35:01 2002
Subject: arrays (again)
In-Reply-To: <3CC1EB5A.FCDDB88@earthlink.net>
References: <200204201601.MAA28992@www.runrev.com>
 <3CC1EB5A.FCDDB88@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <p05100300b8e827ef0095@[10.0.1.202]>

>
>Sorry, I misunderstood you. If I  follow you this time then use...
>
>on mouseUp
>   put  the short name of this stack into MYstackName
>   put the cData ["student","name","3"] of stack MYstackName
>end mouseUp
>
>Best regards
>Tariel Gogoberidze


Ok, that works fine now.
Another question : is it possible to go further in the manipulation of the data

for example

put the cdata["student","name"] of stack MyStackName into fld xxx

doesn't work.

I'd like to get the complete list of the names, not only the number 
"3" as in this axample, but the full list. So I've tried the line of 
script here above, but I get nothing.

thanks.
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From ehaskell at selfcorp.com  Sun Apr 21 04:24:01 2002
From: ehaskell at selfcorp.com (Edwin Haskell)
Date: Sun Apr 21 04:24:01 2002
Subject: chunk order restriction
In-Reply-To: <200203061702.MAA14162@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <A53C7B3E-5508-11D6-8F90-0030654C9E38@selfcorp.com>

when I run this script:

set the itemdelimiter to "\"
get last item of first word 1 of "abc\def ghij\kl"

I get this message:
Script compile error:
Error description: Chunk: bad chunk order (must be small to large)

I guess this means I can't put items in words like I can in Hypercard?
Is there a good reason for this restriction?



From drvaughan55 at mac.com  Sun Apr 21 04:47:01 2002
From: drvaughan55 at mac.com (David Vaughan)
Date: Sun Apr 21 04:47:01 2002
Subject: chunk order restriction
In-Reply-To: <A53C7B3E-5508-11D6-8F90-0030654C9E38@selfcorp.com>
Message-ID: <46112686-550C-11D6-BB04-000393598038@mac.com>

"...first word 1..."?

I assume you mean "first word" or "word 1".

Importantly, you also need to reduce confusion to Rev by parenthesising 
the second part of the expression, thus:

   get last item of (first word of "abc\def ghij\kl")

then it works (or did for me).

cheers
David

On Sunday, April 21, 2002, at 07:17 , Edwin Haskell wrote:

> when I run this script:
>
> set the itemdelimiter to "\"
> get last item of first word 1 of "abc\def ghij\kl"
>
> I get this message:
> Script compile error:
> Error description: Chunk: bad chunk order (must be small to large)
>
> I guess this means I can't put items in words like I can in Hypercard?
> Is there a good reason for this restriction?
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From sims at ezpzapps.com  Sun Apr 21 05:33:01 2002
From: sims at ezpzapps.com (sims)
Date: Sun Apr 21 05:33:01 2002
Subject: SMTP authentication
In-Reply-To: <9AAC1478-54F9-11D6-9B12-003065C7D368@mac.com>
References: <9AAC1478-54F9-11D6-9B12-003065C7D368@mac.com>
Message-ID: <v04220800b8e845887946@[10.0.1.2]>

Is anyone using Rev & sockets to send email in a way
that includes use of SMTP authentication?

I'd like to learn how to script SMTP authentication...

atb

sims


From kurtkaufman at hotmail.com  Sun Apr 21 09:46:00 2002
From: kurtkaufman at hotmail.com (Kurt Kaufman)
Date: Sun Apr 21 09:46:00 2002
Subject: Mac OS X distribution shown as "Classic"
Message-ID: <41DAB59A-5536-11D6-8BC4-00039348A1E6@hotmail.com>

Please forgive me if this is a FAQ:  I've noticed that RR Mac OS X 
builds are defined as "Classic" applications in their "Get Info" windows 
(with a fixed memory setting!); is this the case for all "Carbon" apps 
or perhaps an odd configuration peculiar to my own system?
Thanks, Kurt



From kurtkaufman at hotmail.com  Sun Apr 21 09:49:01 2002
From: kurtkaufman at hotmail.com (Kurt Kaufman)
Date: Sun Apr 21 09:49:01 2002
Subject: TTS, RR and OS X
Message-ID: <AB0584D9-5536-11D6-8BC4-00039348A1E6@hotmail.com>

I wrote:
"...It very well may be that OS X doesn't like this 
workaround/kludge/abomination, and I'd have to figure out another way of 
bypassing the 40-pitch limitation.  However, for all I know the OS X 
Speech Manager doesn't have this  limitation..."

It doesn't, apparently.  Very Good News!
-Kurt



From matt.denton at limelight.com.au  Sun Apr 21 10:16:01 2002
From: matt.denton at limelight.com.au (Matt Denton)
Date: Sun Apr 21 10:16:01 2002
Subject: The returned URL
In-Reply-To: <200204210938.FAA13194@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <1E165215-553A-11D6-ADFB-0003930B4708@limelight.com.au>

Hello all,

I've got a URL that points to a CGI script, returning a different URL 
and data.  The URL looks something like:

	"http://somesite.com/search/city?p=tokyo"

but returns quite a different URL:

	"http://somesite.com/result"

I'm trying to work out if there is a way to find the returned URL and 
not just the data.  I've tried half a dozen ways, no luck.

Can this be done?  This is all new to me.

Cheers and thanks!

M@
Matt Denton



From harrison at all-auctions.com  Sun Apr 21 10:25:00 2002
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Sun Apr 21 10:25:00 2002
Subject: Check Menu Items?
In-Reply-To: <580B416E-54FB-11D6-B8A6-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <B8E85140.8B7%harrison@all-auctions.com>

on 4/21/2002 3:42 AM, Dar Scott at dsc at swcp.com wrote:

> 
> On Saturday, April 20, 2002, at 07:49 PM, Rick Harrison wrote:
> 
>> Does anyone know of an easy way to put a checkmark
>> next to an item that has been selected in a menubar
>> to indicate that the item is the currently selected
>> item?
> 
> I haven't worked with a menu bar, but this is how I did it with
> button menus.
> 
> Put !c at the start of the line for the menu item in the text of
> the button.  There is no need to pad out the other menu items;
> formatting is automatic.
> 
> You might be interested in _ for a line separator, ( to dim, and !r
> for a dot.  The ( can be combined with !c and (I assume) !r.
> 
> Dar Scott
> 

Dar,

The !c checkmarks the menuitem, but I need to have this
done dynamically depending on which item the user selects.
The checkmark doesn't go on and off accordingly.  Have I
missed something?  Where in the documentation did you find
this little nugget?

Thanks,

Rick Harrison



From harrison at all-auctions.com  Sun Apr 21 10:35:00 2002
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Sun Apr 21 10:35:00 2002
Subject: 'hack' test results
In-Reply-To: <d4.164951a9.29f2fdf9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <B8E8538B.8B8%harrison@all-auctions.com>

on 4/20/2002 1:23 PM, JohnRule at aol.com at JohnRule at aol.com wrote:

>> The only data they should be seeing is the data I want
>> to show to them.  Other data is all in hidden fields.
>> Could you be more verbose?
> 
> 
> I just did another 'hack' test...with MCRipper this time:
> 
> http://www.inspiredlogic.com/mc/ripper.html
> 
> It cannot 'rip' password protected stacks (at least I couldn't get it to) so
> that is a relief.
> 
> MCRipper will 'rip' invisible objects (including any text or scripts) even if
> the stack is password protected. So the conclusion...any information in text
> fields (even hidden fields) is not totally safe.
> 
> Solution:
> Load the information from the field into a variable...then delete the text
> from the field. You are still susceptable to any 'prying' if you give the
> users the capability to load any stack (i.e. I could load a stack that
> searches all variables).  ...

John,

Yuk, we shouldn't have to be worrying about such things.

Perhaps Ken Ray's idea about "lock messages" before opening the stack
is the solution to prevent ripping.

I'm downloading MCRipper to play around with it myself to see what
evils it can really do.

Thanks for the hack tests!

Rick Harrison




From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Sun Apr 21 12:12:01 2002
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Sun Apr 21 12:12:01 2002
Subject: Check Menu Items?
In-Reply-To: <B8E85140.8B7%harrison@all-auctions.com>
References: <B8E85140.8B7%harrison@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <p05100300b8e8a247713d@[10.0.1.201]>

>
>The !c checkmarks the menuitem, but I need to have this
>done dynamically depending on which item the user selects.
>The checkmark doesn't go on and off accordingly.  Have I
>missed something?  Where in the documentation did you find
>this little nugget?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Rick Harrison
>


try :

   put text of me into tMenu
   get the menuHistory of me
   if char 1 of line it of tMenu = "!" then
     repeat 2
       delete char 1 of line it of tMenu
     end repeat
   else
     put "!c" before line it of tMenu
   end if
   set text of me to tMenu

I've done it so and it works.
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sun Apr 21 12:29:00 2002
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sun Apr 21 12:29:00 2002
Subject: Check Menu Items?
References: <B8E85140.8B7%harrison@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <004f01c1e959$24c18cf0$bb0e48a6@mckinley.dom>

Rick,

> The !c checkmarks the menuitem, but I need to have this
> done dynamically depending on which item the user selects.
> The checkmark doesn't go on and off accordingly.  Have I
> missed something?  Where in the documentation did you find
> this little nugget?


You need to do this manually by removing the !c when the menu item is
selected, and then putting it back in when it is selected again.

Here's an example:

on menuPick
  put the menuHistory of me into tSelection
  put me into tMenuItems
  if char 1 to 2 of line tSelection of tMenuItems = "!c" then
    delete char 1 to 2 of line tSelection of tMenuItems
  else
    put "!c" before line tSelection of tMenuItems
  end if
  put tMenuItems into me
end menuPick

This toggles the checkmark for a menu item in a popup menu button.

BTW: You can find this in the Revolution Documentation - click on the
"RoadMap" button, then click "Development Guide", then "Menus", then "menus
and the menu bar" (under the About section). Scroll down about half way to
"Special Effects In Menus".

Easy! ;-)

Hope this helps,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/



From martin at atwork.bdx.co.uk  Sun Apr 21 13:31:01 2002
From: martin at atwork.bdx.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Sun Apr 21 13:31:01 2002
Subject: 'hack' test results
In-Reply-To: <200204211602.MAA17694@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <l03130300b8e8b0d3d3e5@[195.92.6.120]>

Depending on what you're doing exactly, you might find that the "md5digest"
will help you out.
It generates a 128bit key from a string - eg a password string. I've been
using this key as the starting seed to encrypt/decrypt password and userid
combinations using a script of my own.
It then doesn't matter if anyone sees the encrypted string or the
decryption script, because without the key, neither is of any use.

Unless your application is requesting a password at runtime, or at any rate
at some point before your encrypted data are used, it probably won't help
you, but I thought I'd mention it anyway - FWIW.

martin baxter

>From: Rick Harrison <harrison at all-auctions.com>
>
>on 4/20/2002 1:23 PM, JohnRule at aol.com at JohnRule at aol.com wrote:
>
>>> The only data they should be seeing is the data I want
>>> to show to them.  Other data is all in hidden fields.
>>> Could you be more verbose?
>>
>John,
>
>Yuk, we shouldn't have to be worrying about such things.




From iansummerfield at btconnect.com  Sun Apr 21 16:30:00 2002
From: iansummerfield at btconnect.com (Ian Summerfield)
Date: Sun Apr 21 16:30:00 2002
Subject: BUG in CONVERT command - or I can't tell the time
Message-ID: <B8E8ECD9.6B69%iansummerfield@btconnect.com>

Maybe this only goes wrong under OS X.  I'm using OS X 10.1.4.  Maybe this
only goes wrong depending on your date and time setting,  I'm set to time
zone "United Kingdom" and my system indicates BST.

Revolution is ONE hour out with it's results using CONVERT,  I think they
have based something on GMT.


In the message box type:

Put 21600 into xxx
Convert xxx to short time
Xxx

Xxx contains 7:00; BUT that should be 6:00.  I get 6 from:

21600 seconds / 60 = 360 minutes
360 minutes / 60 = 6 hours

Now where did it get 7 from?  I don't see any mod function around to blame
(joke). 

My code used to work when we were on GMT,  so no doubt it has something to
do with the engine ignoring time zone settings. 



From dsc at swcp.com  Sun Apr 21 17:55:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sun Apr 21 17:55:01 2002
Subject: BUG in CONVERT command - or I can't tell the time
In-Reply-To: <B8E8ECD9.6B69%iansummerfield@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <4A142ABE-557A-11D6-91D9-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Sunday, April 21, 2002, at 03:25 PM, Ian Summerfield wrote:

> My code used to work when we were on GMT,  so no doubt it has 
> something to
> do with the engine ignoring time zone settings.

Your email shows +100 in the (original) date field, so I assume OS 
X knows BST.

Dar Scott



From michael at GreppyDreppies.com  Sun Apr 21 21:22:01 2002
From: michael at GreppyDreppies.com (Michael D Mays)
Date: Sun Apr 21 21:22:01 2002
Subject: BUG in CONVERT command - or I can't tell the time
In-Reply-To: <B8E8ECD9.6B69%iansummerfield@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <B8E8DD17.60BA4%michael@GreppyDreppies.com>

That is what the documentation says. 0 seconds is 12 midnight, Jan 1, 1970
GMT.

Or at least close to it. There are discrepancies with convert for zero(s)
seconds and -1 seconds.

  -2 secs -> 23:59:59
  -1 secs -> 12:00:00 mid GMT
  -0 secs -> 12:00:00 mid GMT
zero secs -> 0 (the result = invalid date)
   0 secs -> 0 (the result = invalid date)
  +0 secs -> 12:00:00 mid GMT
   1 secs -> 12:00:01

 get 0 -- and so on
 convert it to long time
 put it&&the result

michael

Ian Summerfield of iansummerfield at btconnect.com wrote the following on
4/21/02 4:25 PM

> Maybe this only goes wrong under OS X.  I'm using OS X 10.1.4.  Maybe this
> only goes wrong depending on your date and time setting,  I'm set to time
> zone "United Kingdom" and my system indicates BST.
> 
> Revolution is ONE hour out with it's results using CONVERT,  I think they
> have based something on GMT.



From dsc at swcp.com  Sun Apr 21 22:04:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sun Apr 21 22:04:01 2002
Subject: BUG in CONVERT command - or I can't tell the time
In-Reply-To: <B8E8DD17.60BA4%michael@GreppyDreppies.com>
Message-ID: <09660F37-559D-11D6-91D9-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Sunday, April 21, 2002, at 08:18 PM, Michael D Mays wrote:

> That is what the documentation says. 0 seconds is 12 midnight, Jan 
> 1, 1970
> GMT.

I get 6:00 PM

(I was sure 0 used to get an error for me, too, I'm not sure what's 
up with that.)

Look at at the original time header in the mail an you will see my 
time zone is -600.

So for me on OS X 10.1.3, Blue & White, Revolution 1.1.1, convert 
peeks at the current time zone.

Dar Scott



From harrison at all-auctions.com  Sun Apr 21 23:35:01 2002
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Sun Apr 21 23:35:01 2002
Subject: Check Menu Items?
In-Reply-To: <004f01c1e959$24c18cf0$bb0e48a6@mckinley.dom>
Message-ID: <B8E90A82.8C5%harrison@all-auctions.com>

on 4/21/2002 1:22 PM, Ken Ray at kray at sonsothunder.com wrote:
> 
> You need to do this manually by removing the !c when the menu item is
> selected, and then putting it back in when it is selected again.
> 
> Here's an example:
> 
> on menuPick
> put the menuHistory of me into tSelection
> put me into tMenuItems
> if char 1 to 2 of line tSelection of tMenuItems = "!c" then
> delete char 1 to 2 of line tSelection of tMenuItems
> else
> put "!c" before line tSelection of tMenuItems
> end if
> put tMenuItems into me
> end menuPick

Ken,

Thanks for the code snippet.

It didn't quite work for me the way I wanted it to,
but it was enough of a start that I was able to
work out the rest of the solution for myself.  I was
running into a problem where it was giving me just
the previous item selected and not the current one
chosen.

Thanks again,

Rick Harrison




From harrison at all-auctions.com  Sun Apr 21 23:37:00 2002
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Richard Harrison)
Date: Sun Apr 21 23:37:00 2002
Subject: Check Menu Items?
In-Reply-To: <p05100300b8e8a247713d@[10.0.1.201]>
Message-ID: <B8E90ABF.8C6%harrison@all-auctions.com>

on 4/21/2002 1:08 PM, yves COPPE at yvescoppe at skynet.be wrote:

> 
> try :
> 
> put text of me into tMenu
> get the menuHistory of me
> if char 1 of line it of tMenu = "!" then
> repeat 2
> delete char 1 of line it of tMenu
> end repeat
> else
> put "!c" before line it of tMenu
> end if
> set text of me to tMenu
> 
> I've done it so and it works.

Thanks for the code snippet!

Rick Harrison



From PMDA at earthlink.net  Mon Apr 22 02:17:01 2002
From: PMDA at earthlink.net (Tariel Gogoberidze)
Date: Mon Apr 22 02:17:01 2002
Subject: arrays (again)
References: <200204210935.FAA12985@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3CC3B61C.AA42ACCD@earthlink.net>

> Message: 13
> Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 10:31:38 +0200
> From: yves COPPE <yvescoppe at skynet.be>
> Subject: Re:arrays (again)
> >
> >on mouseUp
> >   put  the short name of this stack into MYstackName
> >   put the cData ["student","name","3"] of stack MYstackName
> >end mouseUp
> >
> >Best regards
> >Tariel Gogoberidze
> 
> Ok, that works fine now.
> Another question : is it possible to go further in the manipulation of the data
> 
> for example
> 
> put the cdata["student","name"] of stack MyStackName into fld xxx
> 
> doesn't work.
> 
> I'd like to get the complete list of the names, not only the number
> "3" as in this axample, but the full list. So I've tried the line of
> script here above, but I get nothing.

> Yves COPPE

Try this. It should be  more  efficient way  to do this but this example
should  work

on mouseUp
  put "Mark,Ann,Jim,kevin"  into myvarOne
  put myvarOne into temp
  repeat with i = 1 to the number of items of temp
    put item i of temp into myData["Student","name",i]
  end repeat
  put "Kate,Antonio,Scott"  into myvarTwo
  put myvarTwo into temp
  repeat with i = 1 to the number of items of temp
    put item i of temp into myData["prof","name",i]
  end repeat
  set the customProperties["cData"] of this stack to myData
  put  the short name of this stack into MYstackName
  -- put the cData ["student","name","3"] of stack MYstackName into OneElement
  set the customPropertySet of stack MYstackName to "cData"
  put customkeys of stack  MYstackName into MyList
  set the customPropertySet of stack MYstackName to empty -- to set it
back to default custom properties
  repeat with j= 1 to number of lines of MyList
    put the cData [line j of MyList] of stack MYstackName  into line j
of MyListContent
  end repeat
  
  put MyListContent  & cr & "=====" &cr &   mylist
  
end mouseUp

Best Regards
Tariel Gogoberidze


From shaosean at unitz.ca  Mon Apr 22 02:33:01 2002
From: shaosean at unitz.ca (Shao Sean)
Date: Mon Apr 22 02:33:01 2002
Subject: BUG in CONVERT command - or I can't tell the time
References: <B8E8ECD9.6B69%iansummerfield@btconnect.com>
Message-ID: <008501c1e9ce$d4c30550$88b15bd1@lanfear>

> Put 21600 into xxx
> Convert xxx to short time

try instead:
convert xxx to short system time



From gsaylor at net-virtual.com  Mon Apr 22 04:20:03 2002
From: gsaylor at net-virtual.com (Greg Saylor)
Date: Mon Apr 22 04:20:03 2002
Subject: CGI, MacOS-X, etc..
Message-ID: <20020420034404.13705@mail.earthlink.net>

Hello,

I have completely switched email addresses to resolve the HTML problem.    ;-)

Now I've got a wierd one.. I read with (I'm not embarassed to admit)
*great* interest the CGI examples which have been posted recently...

I downloaded the darwin engine (this is a Mac OS-X system) and it does
indeed work....   However, I can't seem to get it to work with the
"valentina" xcmd... Is there a way to do this?... I tried adding that
little resource fork or whatever they talk about to the script, but that
didn't do it...  

Is this possible?..

- Greg




From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Mon Apr 22 05:37:01 2002
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Mon Apr 22 05:37:01 2002
Subject: arrays (again)
In-Reply-To: <3CC3B61C.AA42ACCD@earthlink.net>
References: <200204210935.FAA12985@www.runrev.com>
 <3CC3B61C.AA42ACCD@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <p05100300b8e997093407@[10.0.1.202]>

>on mouseUp
>   put "Mark,Ann,Jim,kevin"  into myvarOne
>   put myvarOne into temp
>   repeat with i = 1 to the number of items of temp
>     put item i of temp into myData["Student","name",i]
>   end repeat
>   put "Kate,Antonio,Scott"  into myvarTwo
>   put myvarTwo into temp
>   repeat with i = 1 to the number of items of temp
>     put item i of temp into myData["prof","name",i]
>   end repeat
>   set the customProperties["cData"] of this stack to myData
>   put  the short name of this stack into MYstackName
>   -- put the cData ["student","name","3"] of stack MYstackName into OneElement
>   set the customPropertySet of stack MYstackName to "cData"
>   put customkeys of stack  MYstackName into MyList
>   set the customPropertySet of stack MYstackName to empty -- to set it
>back to default custom properties
>   repeat with j= 1 to number of lines of MyList
>     put the cData [line j of MyList] of stack MYstackName  into line j
>of MyListContent
>   end repeat
>
>   put MyListContent  & cr & "=====" &cr &   mylist
>
>end mouseUp
>
>Best Regards
>Tariel Gogoberidze


Thank you very much. it's just what I needed.

the line :
  set the customPropertySet of stack MYstackName to "cData"

I forgot the above line in my script. Now it's OK.

Again, thank you. May this help everyone who wants to use this 
powerfull and fast way of working with data.
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 22 06:31:01 2002
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Mon Apr 22 06:31:01 2002
Subject: CGI, MacOS-X, etc..
In-Reply-To: <20020420034404.13705@mail.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20020422112711.64489.qmail@web11903.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Greg Saylor <gsaylor at net-virtual.com> wrote:
> [snip]
>
> I downloaded the darwin engine (this is a Mac OS-X
> system) and it does
> indeed work....   However, I can't seem to get it to
> work with the
> "valentina" xcmd... Is there a way to do this?... I
> tried adding that
> little resource fork or whatever they talk about to
> the script, but that
> didn't do it...  
> 
> Is this possible?..
>

Hi Greg,

Resource-forks in files are a MacOS-only technology,
and even though Darwin is the core of MacOS X, it
doesn't have such features as the resource manager in
its APIs.

I'm not sure if all connections to databases via the
Database library are done through XCMDs -- but I'm
sure the RunRev people can answer that one.

If not, then don't use the Valentina XCMDs directly,
but work through the Database library, as I'd expect
that to be availabke on any platform, right?

Best regards,

Jan Schenkel.

"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish
at the same time."  (De Rochefoucald)


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From michael at GreppyDreppies.com  Mon Apr 22 06:58:01 2002
From: michael at GreppyDreppies.com (Michael D Mays)
Date: Mon Apr 22 06:58:01 2002
Subject: BUG in CONVERT command - or I can't tell the time
In-Reply-To: <09660F37-559D-11D6-91D9-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <B8E955F3.60D87%michael@GreppyDreppies.com>

When it is 12 midnight in Edinburgh (GMT) it is 6:00 PM the day before here
in Dallas (CST) (no daylight savings time). And that is the way it should
be. If a child was born at zero seconds, okay 1 second, in Edinburgh a year
later in Dallas at 6:00:01 PM on Dec 31st she would be a year old.

IMO, date and time formats should only be used to display dates and times.
Aside from formatting issues, as illustrated here time and date formats have
'hidden parameters' such as where (time zone) and when (daylight savings
time) associated with them.

If you use time and date formats to to calculate time differences you will
find several glitches in your calculations. Daylight savings time can add
and subtract an hour and even give you a negative time (which can be
particularly troublesome).

Using the additional 'system' parameter doesn't solve these problems.

Use seconds or dateItems to store and calculate your dates and times if you
need to do calculations with them. Note, dateItems records the date and time
information as local.

michael

Dar Scott of dsc at swcp.com wrote the following on 4/21/02 10:00 PM

> On Sunday, April 21, 2002, at 08:18 PM, Michael D Mays wrote:
> 
>> That is what the documentation says. 0 seconds is 12 midnight, Jan
>> 1, 1970
>> GMT.
> 
> I get 6:00 PM
> 
> (I was sure 0 used to get an error for me, too, I'm not sure what's
> up with that.)



From niklas_almesjo at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 22 08:13:00 2002
From: niklas_almesjo at yahoo.com (Niklas Almesjö)
Date: Mon Apr 22 08:13:00 2002
Subject: simple encryption?
In-Reply-To: <200204211601.MAA17617@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20020422130945.24573.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com>

What's the simplest way to encrypt some textfiles? I don't need any
super-duper safe algorithm, only something that prevents novice users from
being able to read them.
thanks,
/Niklas Almesj?

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From mike at essex-web.com  Mon Apr 22 08:22:01 2002
From: mike at essex-web.com (Michael Foy)
Date: Mon Apr 22 08:22:01 2002
Subject: simple encryption?
References: <20020422130945.24573.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <004e01c1ea00$6dc65aa0$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>

rot13, what about a caeserian, get the ascii code of each letter and add 5
to it, save it, then read it back and convert it to ascii code minus 5 from
code get the character


----- Original Message -----
From: Niklas Almesj? <niklas_almesjo at yahoo.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 2:09 PM
Subject: simple encryption?


What's the simplest way to encrypt some textfiles? I don't need any
super-duper safe algorithm, only something that prevents novice users from
being able to read them.
thanks,
/Niklas Almesj?





From kevin at runrev.com  Mon Apr 22 08:46:02 2002
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Mon Apr 22 08:46:02 2002
Subject: Focus color
In-Reply-To: <04E03BBE-4087-11D6-935B-00306566C7B4@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <B8E9C20B.5B17%kevin@runrev.com>

On 26/3/02 6:59 am, Sarah Reichelt <sarahr at genesearch.com.au> wrote:

> How do I set the focus color for a field?
> 
> I have tried going to the color palette for both the stack & the field
> but no change to focus color seems to have any affect. Although the
> default focus color is show as black, I always get a mid-range grey no
> matter what I do. I have traversalOn set as instructed in the docs.

What aspect of the field are you actually trying to change?  Have you tried
the hiliteColor?

> Also, under Mac OS X, the accentColor is not set to the system's accent
> color. I think this worked under OS 9 but not OS X.

Thanks for the report - please send bugs to support at runrev.com (or if you
are a pro user to the improve-revolution list) rather than this list.

Kevin

Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
Tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165.  Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707.



From kevin at runrev.com  Mon Apr 22 08:47:35 2002
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Mon Apr 22 08:47:35 2002
Subject: Using 2-bit Fonts
In-Reply-To: <B8C5EDF5.5CBD%scott@tactilemedia.com>
Message-ID: <B8E9C27B.5B1A%kevin@runrev.com>

On 26/3/02 5:20 pm, Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com> wrote:

>> I'm building a Japanese language study application and am having problems
>> with the fields containing Japanese 2-bit fonts.
>> 
>> When the contents of a field are in something like Palatino or Helvetica,
>> everything works fine but of course the Japanese looks like nonsense.
>> 
>> When I set the same field and its contents to a Japanese font, like Osaka,
>> the text appears correctly,  but line breaks become wacky, I can't edit the
>> contents of the field, and clicktext and clickchunk return the entire line.
>> 
>> What's up?
> 
> Unfortunately, there are some limitations with double byte character fonts
> in MC/REV:
> 
> 1) They can't be input reliably, only displayed
> 
> 2) They must be manually wrapped using spaces as line breaks

Just to let you know: we're working on these as a high priority for a future
version of Revolution.

Kevin

Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
Tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165.  Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707.



From kevin at runrev.com  Mon Apr 22 08:49:05 2002
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Mon Apr 22 08:49:05 2002
Subject: MetaCard vs. Revolution
In-Reply-To: <6e.1b2fe519.29eee7bb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <B8E9C91E.5B1F%kevin@runrev.com>

On 17/4/02 3:59 pm, JohnRule at aol.com <JohnRule at aol.com> wrote:

>> I know that Revolution uses the "Metacard engine". Why, then, do we have
>> -both- Metacard and Revolution? What I mean by that is: Why does
>> Metacard permit Revolution to utilize its "engine" when people buying
>> Rev licenses are probably giving most of the money to Revolution with a
>> small "engine fee"(?) going back to Metacard?
> 
>> Maybe I'm not seeing the bigger picture or I have some other perspective
>> problem.
> 
> 
> Take a look at the licenses for both...there are some very important
> differences. For instance, if you make a product too close to Revolution's
> (i.e. you are taking business away from them) they can pull the plug on you,
> and sue for damages. Metacard does not have this 'stipulation', because they
> are the owner of the engine. If you do not need to provide editing features
> for your customers, then Revolution is the way to go (it has a much more
> 'robust' interface)...otherwise you can 'cross-grade' to Metacard.
> 
> Someone please correct me if I have 'misread' the Revolution license...

Anyone who creates anything of commercial value is protected by the laws of
copyright.  Revolution is a copyrighted work like any other.  We actually
allow you to use the scripts and code in Revolution in your own projects -
as there is a lot of good code in there you might want to use or learn from.
But allowing you to use them is not the same as allowing you to directly
compete with us by simply copy, paste, and presto start distributing
"Evolution, by Runtime Revelation".  This is the origin of this clause.  We
can only act on this clause if you create something that is clearly intended
to be in competition with Revolution itself.  Its a "don't bite the hand
that feeds you clause".  The Starter Kit limits do offer some protection,
but they are fairly lax limits.  Our contract was reviewed by our lawyers
and they recommended it.  In my view, it doesn't constitute a particularly
major clause that should affect anyone not trying to deliberately take
advantage of the open nature of Revolution to damage our business.  I've yet
to see this clause affect anyone...

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
Tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165.  Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707.



From kevin at runrev.com  Mon Apr 22 08:50:36 2002
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Mon Apr 22 08:50:36 2002
Subject: Metacard vs. Revolution
In-Reply-To: <A437B6D8-51A9-11D6-BEEC-003065BC131C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B8E9C957.5B1F%kevin@runrev.com>

On 17/4/02 3:20 am, Barry Levine <themacguy at mac.com> wrote:

> I know that Revolution uses the "Metacard engine". Why, then, do we have
> -both- Metacard and Revolution? What I mean by that is: Why does
> Metacard permit Revolution to utilize its "engine" when people buying
> Rev licenses are probably giving most of the money to Revolution with a
> small "engine fee"(?) going back to Metacard?
> 
> Maybe I'm not seeing the bigger picture or I have some other perspective
> problem.
> 
> I guess the other thing that sort of bothers me is this: If Metacard
> licenses its "engine" to Revolution, what happens if they decide -not-
> to license it at some time?

We do license technology from MetaCard corporation.  The license agreement
is complex and not publicly available.  But suffice to say that it is a long
term and mutually beneficial agreement which covers this type of question
and a whole lot more.  If you have any further questions, please feel free
to address them to me directly off list.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
Tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165.  Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707.



From kevin at runrev.com  Mon Apr 22 08:52:07 2002
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Mon Apr 22 08:52:07 2002
Subject: small business license
In-Reply-To: <20020409212102.49205.qmail@web20309.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B8E9CF87.5B23%kevin@runrev.com>

On 9/4/02 9:21 pm, Steve L <prodevm at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I was actually thinking about getting a small business
> license for Rev, however, upon reading the pricing I
> am confused:
> 
> The way I am understanding it is that you pay $299.99
> for the small business license and a year of
> updates/upgrades, then if you waht updates/upgrades
> beyond the first year, you must pay another $299.99
> per year.  
> 
> Is this right?  In order to have an updated program it
> is going to cost $299.99 per year?
> 
> If so, wow; I never heard of updates/upgrades costing
> as much as the product itself.
> 
> I'm I reading this right?

At present we are charging $299 for a one year updates pack for the SBE.  We
did consider charging $400 or $500 for the first years worth of license and
upgrades, but wanted to keep the cost of entry low for this type of
customer.

If you have to, then after the first year, you could wait for a period
before you purchase an updates pack.  So for example if you can wait six
months before purchasing updates and then purchase a year pack, then wait
another six months, the cost works out at $150 a year, and you still have
most of the updates.  But if you do need to be bang up to date all the time,
then it does cost more.

We don't sell the updates individually because then we would have to
differentiate between bug fixes and non bug fixes, price each one
individually, and process lots of small transactions.  This would have a
negative effect on the speed of producing updates for all our users.  So
you're either in for a year's worth of upgrades, or out.  But you can pick
which year periods you are in and which you are out to bring the cost down
if you need to.  You still have a working copy of Revolution and can keep it
roughly up to date.

In the future we may considering bringing the cost down some and introducing
a "restart charge" or something similar instead.  It depends on the feedback
we get and various other factors.  But that is the situation at present.  I
do hope you will consider a Small Business Edition as we think they are very
good value.  If you have any further questions, for a fast reply please
contact me off list.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
Tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165.  Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707.



From kmajor at metascape.org  Mon Apr 22 09:00:00 2002
From: kmajor at metascape.org (Klaus Major)
Date: Mon Apr 22 09:00:00 2002
Subject: simple encryption?
In-Reply-To: <004e01c1ea00$6dc65aa0$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>
Message-ID: <9541EDBC-55F8-11D6-AB77-003065D52E8E@metascape.org>

Hi Miock,

> rot13, what about a caeserian, get the ascii code of each letter and 
> add 5
> to it, save it, then read it back and convert it to ascii code minus 5 
> from
> code get the character
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Niklas Almesj? <niklas_almesjo at yahoo.com>
> To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 2:09 PM
> Subject: simple encryption?
>
>
> What's the simplest way to encrypt some textfiles? I don't need any
> super-duper safe algorithm, only something that prevents novice users 
> from
> being able to read them.
> thanks,
> /Niklas Almesj?

cool idea, could be mine ;-)

Although i would add at least 200 :-D


Regards

Klaus Major
kmajor at metascape.org



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Apr 22 09:29:01 2002
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon Apr 22 09:29:01 2002
Subject: simple encryption?
References: <20020422130945.24573.qmail@web12302.mail.yahoo.com> <004e01c1ea00$6dc65aa0$1965a4c2@essexweb.com>
Message-ID: <004001c1ea09$28d72c40$7c00a8c0@mckinley.dom>

Even easier... use one of the following built-in functions on the text:
"compress", "base64encode" or "mdi5digest"... you can always reverse it.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Foy" <mike at essex-web.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: simple encryption?


> rot13, what about a caeserian, get the ascii code of each letter and add 5
> to it, save it, then read it back and convert it to ascii code minus 5
from
> code get the character
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Niklas Almesj? <niklas_almesjo at yahoo.com>
> To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 2:09 PM
> Subject: simple encryption?
>
>
> What's the simplest way to encrypt some textfiles? I don't need any
> super-duper safe algorithm, only something that prevents novice users from
> being able to read them.
> thanks,
> /Niklas Almesj?
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Apr 22 10:19:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon Apr 22 10:19:01 2002
Subject: BUG in CONVERT command - or I can't tell the time
In-Reply-To: <B8E955F3.60D87%michael@GreppyDreppies.com>
Message-ID: <C5E39039-5603-11D6-9AF6-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Monday, April 22, 2002, at 05:53 AM, Michael D Mays wrote:

> When it is 12 midnight in Edinburgh (GMT) it is 6:00 PM the day 
> before here
> in Dallas (CST) (no daylight savings time).

I haven't been reading my mail well, Michael.  When I read Ian's 
mail the first time I thought he was complaining that he didn't get 
the offset.  When I read your's I thought you said he shouldn't.  
My cryptic one line response was not up to the job and your 
description did well.

> IMO, date and time formats should only be used to display dates 
> and times.
> Aside from formatting issues, as illustrated here time and date 
> formats have
> 'hidden parameters' such as where (time zone) and when (daylight 
> savings
> time) associated with them.

Daylight savings time seems to be applied in an interesting 
manner.  It seems it is applied if the time is in daylight savings 
time at the moment of calculation rather than the time/date being 
converted, even for the current year.  To do otherwise might be 
very hard, especially for future years, when the rules might have 
changed even again.

It would be nice if these hidden parameters could optionally be 
supplied.

How does one get the time zone and daylight savings settings?

Dar Scott



From harrison at all-auctions.com  Mon Apr 22 10:56:01 2002
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Mon Apr 22 10:56:01 2002
Subject: 'hack' test results
In-Reply-To: <d4.164951a9.29f2fdf9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <B8E9AA0D.8DD%harrison@all-auctions.com>

on 4/20/2002 1:23 PM, JohnRule at aol.com at JohnRule at aol.com wrote:
> 
> I just did another 'hack' test...with MCRipper this time:
> 
> http://www.inspiredlogic.com/mc/ripper.html
> 
> It cannot 'rip' password protected stacks (at least I couldn't get it to) so
> that is a relief.
> 
> MCRipper will 'rip' invisible objects (including any text or scripts) even if
> the stack is password protected. So the conclusion...any information in text
> fields (even hidden fields) is not totally safe.
> 

John,

I did a test with MCRipper.  I built a stand alone stack
which was password protected and used the encryption option.

MCRipper didn't even show the stack so I could open it.
Revolution also didn't see the stack.

How then do you believe that this is hackable?  Or have
I missed something somewhere?

Thanks,

Rick Harrison





From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Mon Apr 22 11:49:01 2002
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Dreamscape Software)
Date: Mon Apr 22 11:49:01 2002
Subject: OS X Sheets (Aqua Lines)
References: <B8E73029.59F%lists@retiariusenterprises.com>
Message-ID: <006c01c1ea1d$36693420$6b01a8c0@powercom.net>

> Thanks for the tip Derek.  This is most helpful.

It was no problem at all.

> > Make a field with the standard
> > "scanlines" background that all the Aqua windows use.
>
> I'm a little confused about this.  Is there a parameter in the field that
> allows you to set this?  Do you import an image an assign it as the bg of
> the field (I didn't see any parameter that would allow this either).

Well, I imported an image that I was going to use for the aqua scanlines,
and then I set the backPattern of the field to the ID of the image.  Then I
assigned the transparency.

> Also, is there a helpful web page out there that explains more about when
to
> use aqua lines and when not to?  I want to make sure I'm doing things
right.

Yes, there is.  Apple Computer has a set of guidelines for designing
applications on the MacOS.  The link for the Aqua Interface Guidelines is
the following...

http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/Essentials/AquaHIGuidelines/AHGIn
tro/Introductio__Guidelines.html

I would definately recomend using the guidelines.  Yes, the can be kind of
tedious sometimes, but they really do make anything you make look great.


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software, Inc.
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/



From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Apr 22 12:33:00 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon Apr 22 12:33:00 2002
Subject: OS X Sheets (Aqua Lines)
In-Reply-To: <006c01c1ea1d$36693420$6b01a8c0@powercom.net>
Message-ID: <70829A84-5616-11D6-9AF6-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Monday, April 22, 2002, at 10:46 AM, Dreamscape Software wrote:

> Well, I imported an image that I was going to use for the aqua 
> scanlines,
> and then I set the backPattern of the field to the ID of the 
> image.  Then I
> assigned the transparency.

I think I saw Aqua Lines in a Revolution pattern somewhere.  On the 
color palette?  Can that be used?

Dar Scott



From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Mon Apr 22 12:41:01 2002
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Dreamscape Software)
Date: Mon Apr 22 12:41:01 2002
Subject: OS X Sheets (Aqua Lines)
References: <70829A84-5616-11D6-9AF6-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <00d701c1ea24$5aff7d60$6b01a8c0@powercom.net>

> > Well, I imported an image that I was going to use for the aqua
> > scanlines,
> > and then I set the backPattern of the field to the ID of the
> > image.  Then I
> > assigned the transparency.
>
> I think I saw Aqua Lines in a Revolution pattern somewhere.  On the
> color palette?  Can that be used?

I really have no idea.  I use MetaCard over Revolution.  If it is in the
patterns, and it looks good, then I would say try it.  I'm supposing it
should work just the same.

Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software, Inc.
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/



From ehaskell at selfcorp.com  Mon Apr 22 13:38:00 2002
From: ehaskell at selfcorp.com (Edwin Haskell)
Date: Mon Apr 22 13:38:00 2002
Subject: Revolution as a cgi application?
In-Reply-To: <200204221601.MAA06750@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <91D7ACA9-561F-11D6-A584-0030654C9E38@selfcorp.com>

Does anyone know if it is possible to use revolution on a PC as a cgi 
application similar to what can be done with Hypercard in conjunction 
with  MacHTTP or WebStar using Apple Events?  I'm assuming it works on 
the Mac with OS9     (haven't tried it yet). What about on OSX with 
Apache?



From troy at rpsystems.net  Mon Apr 22 13:55:00 2002
From: troy at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Mon Apr 22 13:55:00 2002
Subject: Revolution as a cgi application?
In-Reply-To: <91D7ACA9-561F-11D6-A584-0030654C9E38@selfcorp.com>
Message-ID: <E8A62B9A-5621-11D6-9C68-000393853D6C@rpsystems.net>

On Monday, April 22, 2002, at 02:34 PM, Edwin Haskell wrote:

> Does anyone know if it is possible to use revolution on a PC as a cgi 
> application similar to what can be done with Hypercard in conjunction 
> with  MacHTTP or WebStar using Apple Events?  I'm assuming it works on 
> the Mac with OS9     (haven't tried it yet). What about on OSX with 
> Apache?

There has been an ongoing thread regarding this in this list (you can 
probably check the archives on the runrev site).

The bottom line is yes. I haven't tried this in OSX yet, but given that 
it is fully functional in Apache on Linux, I wouldn't expect any 
problems.

HTH

--
Troy
RPSystems
www.rpsystems.net



From tim11 at bellatlantic.net  Mon Apr 22 15:14:01 2002
From: tim11 at bellatlantic.net (Tim)
Date: Mon Apr 22 15:14:01 2002
Subject: Ftp woes
Message-ID: <B8E9E690.14BE%tim11@bellatlantic.net>

Hi, I?m having difficulties compressing and uploading a stack to my FTP
server. Here?s the code:


on mouseUp
  save stack "TestStack"
  put "PowerBookHD/Revolution Projects/TestStack.rev" into \
tLocalFile --TestStack is a Revolution Stack containing 3 other substacks
  put compress(tLocalFile) into URL
"ftp://myusername at domain.com:mypassword at ftp.business.earthlink.net/www/TestS
tack"
  close stack "TestStack"
end mouseUp

What am I missing? I?ve also tried URLEncode for user and pass, but to no
avail. Is it possible to upload stacks to ftp servers through Revolution?

TIA,
-- 
Tim

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From jeanne at runrev.com  Mon Apr 22 15:40:01 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Mon Apr 22 15:40:01 2002
Subject: Ftp woes
In-Reply-To: <B8E9E690.14BE%tim11@bellatlantic.net>
Message-ID: <v03130316b8ea2419fb3a@[216.99.192.154]>

At 1:10 PM -0700 4/22/2002, Tim wrote:
>     Hi, I'm having difficulties compressing and uploading a stack
>to my FTP server. Here's the code:
>
>
> on mouseUp
>   save stack "TestStack"
>   put "PowerBookHD/Revolution Projects/TestStack.rev" into \
> tLocalFile --TestStack is a Revolution Stack containing 3 other substacks
>   put compress(tLocalFile) into URL
>"ftp://myusername at domain.com:mypassword at ftp.business.earthlink.net/www/TestStack
>"
>   close stack "TestStack"
> end mouseUp
>
> What am I missing?

It looks like your second line ("put...") is the problem. This puts the
literal string into tLocalFile, which you don't want. Try substituting this:

  put URL "binfile:/PowerBookHD/Revolution Projects/TestStack.rev" \
     into tLocalFile

That should work.

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Mon Apr 22 16:04:00 2002
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Mon Apr 22 16:04:00 2002
Subject: Ftp woes
In-Reply-To: <B8E9E690.14BE%tim11@bellatlantic.net>
References: <B8E9E690.14BE%tim11@bellatlantic.net>
Message-ID: <p05111703b8ea240bffeb@[192.168.123.3]>

At 4:10 pm -0400 22/4/02, Tim wrote:
>Hi, I?m having difficulties compressing and uploading a stack to my
>FTP server. Here?s the code:
>
>
>on mouseUp
>  ?save stack "TestStack"
>  ?put "PowerBookHD/Revolution Projects/TestStack.rev" into \
>tLocalFile --TestStack is a Revolution Stack containing 3 other substacks
>  ?put compress(tLocalFile) into URL
>"ftp://myusername at domain.com:mypassword at ftp.business.earthlink.net/www/TestStack"
>  ?close stack "TestStack"
>end mouseUp
>

Two problems:

1.  with the file data (need to use "url" syntax)
2.  with the user name (need to urlEncode because of the "@" character)


put "/PowerBookHD/Revolution Projects/TestStack.rev" into tLocalFile
put "myusername at domain.com" into tName
put "ftp://" & urlEncode(tName) & ":mypassword" & "@" into tUrl
put "ftp.business.earthlink.net/www/TestStack" after tUrl
put url ("binfile:" & tLocalFile) into tData
put compress(tData) into url tUrl
if the result is not empty then
   answer the result ##error check
end if

If the password contains any "funny" characters, you should urlEncode 
that too. (but not the ":" separating the name and password)

Cheers
Dave Cragg


From patleroul at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 22 16:41:03 2002
From: patleroul at hotmail.com (patrick leroul)
Date: Mon Apr 22 16:41:03 2002
Subject: Simple scripts samples?
Message-ID: <F1179Ee4zadTMVwVn2000005a99@hotmail.com>

Hello everyone,

As a school teacher I am new to the concept of script writing, but I already 
have both hands in the grease up to the elbows. Revolution allows me to 
create simple but great programs for my students.
Evidently, the early stages of script writing it is still the main problem 
to overcome and my question is this one:
Would someone know where I could find a collection of already made up active 
scripts in Revolution format? I?m speaking of simple stacks, illustrating 
one function at a time, that would available for download to observe/edit. I 
know one can already find such demo stacks for HyperCard. I have not tried 
yet to import from this format: would this rather be the way to go?

Many thanks to the Revolution developer/support teams as well to all 
helpers.

patleroul at hotmail.com

_________________________________________________________________
MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: 
http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx



From drvaughan55 at mac.com  Mon Apr 22 16:56:01 2002
From: drvaughan55 at mac.com (David Vaughan)
Date: Mon Apr 22 16:56:01 2002
Subject: revCopyFile
In-Reply-To: <8EF46478-52AC-11D6-852D-000393598038@mac.com>
Message-ID: <30A47588-563B-11D6-A507-000393598038@mac.com>

I posted this last Thursday but as yet have no response. No-one have a 
problem with revCopyFile or this script?

The problem is that the copy fails silently. The bit about displaying 
the paths is simply to point out that the variables are mysteriously 
emptied by the failed copy attempt.

If there are no thoughts then I will shift it to the improve list as a 
possible bug.

thanks
David

On Thursday, April 18, 2002, at 07:13 , David Vaughan wrote:

> I am trying to use revCopyFile for the first time. In the course of 
> trying to work out why it does not do it for me, I put the following 
> test script in the message box:
>
> put "/Elsewhere/Users/davidv/Desktop/Telstra usage" into sPath
> put "/Elsewhere/Users/davidv/tmp/" into dPath
> put spath & return & dpath
> revCopyFile spath,dpath
>
> The message box shows the two paths as written above, but no copy 
> happens (and nor if I include a file name as part of dPath).
>
> If I switch the last two lines, thus:
>
> put "/Elsewhere/Users/davidv/Desktop/Telstra usage" into sPath
> put "/Elsewhere/Users/davidv/tmp/" into dPath
> revCopyFile spath,dpath
> put spath & return & dpath
>
> Then not only does the copy not happen but the message box remains 
> obstinately empty.
>
> What gives, please?
>
> thanks
> David
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From JohnRule at aol.com  Mon Apr 22 18:37:01 2002
From: JohnRule at aol.com (JohnRule at aol.com)
Date: Mon Apr 22 18:37:01 2002
Subject: MCRipper & password protection
Message-ID: <7d.261b39a6.29f5f79c@aol.com>

> I did a test with MCRipper.  I built a stand alone stack
> which was password protected and used the encryption option.

> MCRipper didn't even show the stack so I could open it.
> Revolution also didn't see the stack.

> How then do you believe that this is hackable?  Or have
> I missed something somewhere?

Actually, I set the password and did not restart Revolution, so the stack was 
not really password protected...sorry for the mis-information on this issue.

It does look like hidden fields in a password protected stack ARE protected, 
as well as variables (please someone verify).


JR


From derekbronston at earthlink.net  Mon Apr 22 21:11:01 2002
From: derekbronston at earthlink.net (Derek)
Date: Mon Apr 22 21:11:01 2002
Subject: VAriable sand quick time??
Message-ID: <B8EA3B04.27E6%derekbronston@earthlink.net>

Hello
 
This simple thing does not work any suggestions??

on menupick which_one


get  url ("file:data/" & which_one & "_info.txt")
set the filename of player "qtplay" to it

end menupick

the file it opens contains the path to a movie

thanks

derek



From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Mon Apr 22 21:38:01 2002
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah)
Date: Mon Apr 22 21:38:01 2002
Subject: VAriable sand quick time??
In-Reply-To: <p0510157bb8ea72e1594e@[192.168.0.100]>
Message-ID: <883DB69B-5662-11D6-8C80-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

2 separate problems come to mind:
Why does the file have an extension .txt if it is a movie file?
You are getting the contents of the file with the "get URL" line and 
then setting a filename to the contents rather than the name.

Use "answer file" to get the exact format of the file name. Then use 
that info in your menupick handler to generate the same format as 
returned by  the answer file. Instead of get URL, try:
	put "data/" & which_one & "_info.mov" into theFile -- fix this so 
it is a correct file path
	set the filename of player "qtplay" to theFile

Cheers,
Sarah

On Tuesday, April 23, 2002, at 12:09  pm, Derek wrote:

>
> Hello
>
> This simple thing does not work any suggestions??
>
> on menupick which_one
>
>
> get  url ("file:data/" & which_one & "_info.txt")
> set the filename of player "qtplay" to it
>
> end menupick
>
> the file it opens contains the path to a movie
>
> thanks
>
> derek
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>




From derekbronston at earthlink.net  Mon Apr 22 22:30:01 2002
From: derekbronston at earthlink.net (Derek)
Date: Mon Apr 22 22:30:01 2002
Subject: do/insert
Message-ID: <B8EA4D79.27E9%derekbronston@earthlink.net>

Has anyone had a problem with these not working? neither of them seem to
work for me?


do (the text of newfield)

Thanks derek



From drvaughan55 at mac.com  Mon Apr 22 22:48:01 2002
From: drvaughan55 at mac.com (David Vaughan)
Date: Mon Apr 22 22:48:01 2002
Subject: do/insert
In-Reply-To: <B8EA4D79.27E9%derekbronston@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <64030F5C-566C-11D6-A507-000393598038@mac.com>

On Tuesday, April 23, 2002, at 04:30 , Derek wrote:

>
> Has anyone had a problem with these not working? neither of them seem to
> work for me?
>
>
> do (the text of newfield)

Derek

Try:

   do field "newfield"

The Transcript Dictionary under "do" gives the other options.

regards
David
>
> Thanks derek
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From tim11 at bellatlantic.net  Tue Apr 23 00:55:01 2002
From: tim11 at bellatlantic.net (Tim)
Date: Tue Apr 23 00:55:01 2002
Subject: Ftp woes
In-Reply-To: <p05111703b8ea240bffeb@[192.168.123.3]>
Message-ID: <B8EA6E95.14E4%tim11@bellatlantic.net>

On 4/22/02 4:50 PM, "Dave Cragg" <dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk> wrote:

> At 4:10 pm -0400 22/4/02, Tim wrote:
>> Hi, I?m having difficulties compressing and uploading a stack to my
>> FTP server. Here?s the code:
>> 
>> 
>> on mouseUp
>>  ?save stack "TestStack"
>>  ?put "PowerBookHD/Revolution Projects/TestStack.rev" into \
>> tLocalFile --TestStack is a Revolution Stack containing 3 other substacks
>>  ?put compress(tLocalFile) into URL
>> "ftp://myusername at domain.com:mypassword at ftp.business.earthlink.net/www/TestSt
>> ack"
>>  ?close stack "TestStack"
>> end mouseUp
>> 
> 
> Two problems:
> 
> 1.  with the file data (need to use "url" syntax)
> 2.  with the user name (need to urlEncode because of the "@" character)
> 
> 
> put "/PowerBookHD/Revolution Projects/TestStack.rev" into tLocalFile
> put "myusername at domain.com" into tName
> put "ftp://" & urlEncode(tName) & ":mypassword" & "@" into tUrl
> put "ftp.business.earthlink.net/www/TestStack" after tUrl
> put url ("binfile:" & tLocalFile) into tData
> put compress(tData) into url tUrl
> if the result is not empty then
>  answer the result ##error check
> end if
> 
> If the password contains any "funny" characters, you should urlEncode
> that too. (but not the ":" separating the name and password)
> 
> Cheers
> Dave Cragg


That did it. Thanks a bunch! Is there a way to reverse engineer this so that
a shell stack could open this TestStack from the ftp server?

Thanks again,
-- 
Tim



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Tue Apr 23 01:04:01 2002
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Tue Apr 23 01:04:01 2002
Subject: find
Message-ID: <p05100300b8eaa5b59335@[10.0.1.202]>

Hi,

I'd like a script which search for all occurences of a word in a list 
and returns the number of all lines.


an example :

a list with :

Peter
John
Richard
John
George
John
Philip
Tom

So if i call the code for "John", the result should be :

2
4
6


I've tried with lineoffset but it gives only the first occurence.

thanks.
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Tue Apr 23 01:18:01 2002
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah)
Date: Tue Apr 23 01:18:01 2002
Subject: find
In-Reply-To: <p051015afb8eaa97c2589@[192.168.0.100]>
Message-ID: <5DF46943-5681-11D6-8C80-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

You need to use the optional third parameter for lineOffset which tells 
it how many lines to skip before it starts looking. The trick is to 
remember that the line number it returns is the line number starting 
after the skipped lines, so you need to add the two together to get the 
actual line number.

Here is the function I use. The mouseUp script that calls it assumes 
your list is in field 1.

on mouseUp
   put findLines(field 1, "John") into lineList
   answer lineList
end mouseUp

function findLines listToSearch, textToFind
   put empty into foundLines
   put 0 into startLine
   repeat
     put lineOffset(textToFind,listToSearch,startLine) into theLine
     if theLine = 0 then
       exit repeat
     else
       put (theLine+startLine) & cr after foundLines
       add theLine to startLine
     end if
   end repeat
   return foundLines
end findLines

Cheers,
Sarah


On Tuesday, April 23, 2002, at 04:02  pm, yves COPPE wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'd like a script which search for all occurences of a word in a list 
> and returns the number of all lines.
>
>
> an example :
>
> a list with :
>
> Peter
> John
> Richard
> John
> George
> John
> Philip
> Tom
>
> So if i call the code for "John", the result should be :
>
> 2
> 4
> 6
>
>
> I've tried with lineoffset but it gives only the first occurence.
>
> thanks.
> -- Greetings.
>
> Yves COPPE
>
> Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>




From drvaughan55 at mac.com  Tue Apr 23 01:26:00 2002
From: drvaughan55 at mac.com (David Vaughan)
Date: Tue Apr 23 01:26:00 2002
Subject: find
In-Reply-To: <p05100300b8eaa5b59335@[10.0.1.202]>
Message-ID: <6D1D6BDC-5682-11D6-A507-000393598038@mac.com>

On Tuesday, April 23, 2002, at 04:00 , yves COPPE wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'd like a script which search for all occurences of a word in a list 
> and returns the number of all lines.
>
>
> an example :
>
> a list with :
>
> Peter
> John
> Richard
> John
> George
> John
> Philip
> Tom
>
> So if i call the code for "John", the result should be :
>
> 2
> 4
> 6
>
>
> I've tried with lineoffset but it gives only the first occurence.

Yves

I noticed in the dictionary that the lineoffset function has an optional 
parameter which is "lines to skip" so I imagine a repeat loop using 
lineoffset and the line number last found (zero to start) would work, 
exiting the repeat loop when the lineoffset returned zero.

Without having tested this code, it could look like

put "John" into JeanMot
put empty into JeanList
put zero into skipSome
put lineOffSet(JeanMot,myList,skipSome) into gotit
repeat while gotit > 0
   put gotit and return after JeanList
   put lineOffSet(JeanWord,aList,skipSome) into gotit
end repeat
put JeanList

regards
David

>
> thanks.
> -- Greetings.
>
> Yves COPPE
>
> Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Tue Apr 23 01:55:01 2002
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Tue Apr 23 01:55:01 2002
Subject: Ftp woes
In-Reply-To: <B8EA6E95.14E4%tim11@bellatlantic.net>
References: <B8EA6E95.14E4%tim11@bellatlantic.net>
Message-ID: <p05111700b8eaaf34d487@[192.168.123.3]>

At 1:51 am -0400 23/4/02, Tim wrote:

>That did it. Thanks a bunch! Is there a way to reverse engineer this so that
>a shell stack could open this TestStack from the ftp server?

This will do it.

  put "myusername at domain.com" into tName
  put "ftp://" & urlEncode(tName) & ":mypassword" & "@" into tUrl
  put "ftp.business.earthlink.net/www/TestStack" after tUrl
  go stack decompress(url tUrl)

If it's a large stack and you want to show some kind of download 
status, consider using "load url" instead. Something like:

on mouseUp
  put "myusername at domain.com" into tName
  put "ftp://" & urlEncode(tName) & ":mypassword" & "@" into tUrl
  put "ftp.business.earthlink.net/www/TestStack" after tUrl
  load url tUrl with message "stackLoaded"
  send "showProgress" && quote & tUrl & quote to me in 100 milliseconds
end mouseUp

on showProgress pUrl
   if urlStatus(pUrl) is not among the items of "error,timeout,cached" then
    put urlStatus(pUrl) into field "status" ##or something sexier
    send "showProgress" && quote & pUrl & quote to me in 100 milliseconds
   end if
end showProgress

on stackLoaded pUrl, pStatus
  if pStatus is "cached" then
    go stack decompress(url pUrl)
    unload url pUrl ##assuming you don't need it again
  else
   #some error message here
   unload url pUrl
  end if
end stackLoaded

Cheers
Dave Cragg


From tim11 at bellatlantic.net  Tue Apr 23 02:59:01 2002
From: tim11 at bellatlantic.net (Tim)
Date: Tue Apr 23 02:59:01 2002
Subject: Ftp woes
In-Reply-To: <p05111700b8eaaf34d487@[192.168.123.3]>
Message-ID: <B8EA8BC9.14EC%tim11@bellatlantic.net>

Thanks again Dave! That was even more than I had expected. Great
functionality with download status. This will allow me to share one stack on
different platforms so that it's always updated. I'm assuming that download
status could be implemented for uploading as well.
-- 
Tim


On 4/23/02 2:51 AM, "Dave Cragg" <dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk> wrote:

> At 1:51 am -0400 23/4/02, Tim wrote:
> 
>> That did it. Thanks a bunch! Is there a way to reverse engineer this so that
>> a shell stack could open this TestStack from the ftp server?
> 
> This will do it.
> 
> put "myusername at domain.com" into tName
> put "ftp://" & urlEncode(tName) & ":mypassword" & "@" into tUrl
> put "ftp.business.earthlink.net/www/TestStack" after tUrl
> go stack decompress(url tUrl)
> 
> If it's a large stack and you want to show some kind of download
> status, consider using "load url" instead. Something like:
> 
> on mouseUp
> put "myusername at domain.com" into tName
> put "ftp://" & urlEncode(tName) & ":mypassword" & "@" into tUrl
> put "ftp.business.earthlink.net/www/TestStack" after tUrl
> load url tUrl with message "stackLoaded"
> send "showProgress" && quote & tUrl & quote to me in 100 milliseconds
> end mouseUp
> 
> on showProgress pUrl
>  if urlStatus(pUrl) is not among the items of "error,timeout,cached" then
>   put urlStatus(pUrl) into field "status" ##or something sexier
>   send "showProgress" && quote & pUrl & quote to me in 100 milliseconds
>  end if
> end showProgress
> 
> on stackLoaded pUrl, pStatus
> if pStatus is "cached" then
>   go stack decompress(url pUrl)
>   unload url pUrl ##assuming you don't need it again
> else
>  #some error message here
>  unload url pUrl
> end if
> end stackLoaded
> 
> Cheers
> Dave Cragg
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Tue Apr 23 04:07:01 2002
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Tue Apr 23 04:07:01 2002
Subject: find
In-Reply-To: <5DF46943-5681-11D6-8C80-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
References: <5DF46943-5681-11D6-8C80-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <p05100300b8ead3d42f2f@[10.0.1.202]>

>You need to use the optional third parameter for lineOffset which 
>tells it how many lines to skip before it starts looking. The trick 
>is to remember that the line number it returns is the line number 
>starting after the skipped lines, so you need to add the two 
>together to get the actual line number.
>
>Here is the function I use. The mouseUp script that calls it assumes 
>your list is in field 1.
>
>on mouseUp
>   put findLines(field 1, "John") into lineList
>   answer lineList
>end mouseUp
>
>function findLines listToSearch, textToFind
>   put empty into foundLines
>   put 0 into startLine
>   repeat
>     put lineOffset(textToFind,listToSearch,startLine) into theLine
>     if theLine = 0 then
>       exit repeat
>     else
>       put (theLine+startLine) & cr after foundLines
>       add theLine to startLine
>     end if
>   end repeat
>   return foundLines
>end findLines
>


Fantastic !
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From gwills at ozemail.com.au  Tue Apr 23 04:29:01 2002
From: gwills at ozemail.com.au (Greg Wills)
Date: Tue Apr 23 04:29:01 2002
Subject: Text selection
In-Reply-To: <200204230520.BAA19077@www.runrev.com>
References: <200204230520.BAA19077@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05001900b8ead409524e@[210.84.176.133]>

Hi Everyone

A few questions regarding selecting text in a field.

1.  I want to highlight a word that is clicked. I have had a number 
of tries, but seem to be only able to highlight the whole line.

2.  The second part of this action is to play a sound file of the 
word selected. The language that I am using has dashes and full stops 
(periods) in the word. eg. "yaka-yora" and "ki.yirriy". If I click on 
these words only the first (or second) part of the word is selected. 
Is there a way to click on the word and select the whole word and not 
be divided by the non-alphabet character?

regards
Greg Wills



From shaosean at unitz.ca  Tue Apr 23 04:33:01 2002
From: shaosean at unitz.ca (Shao Sean)
Date: Tue Apr 23 04:33:01 2002
Subject: Text selection
References: <200204230520.BAA19077@www.runrev.com> <a05001900b8ead409524e@[210.84.176.133]>
Message-ID: <000b01c1eaa8$d27dce30$88b15bd1@lanfear>

take a look at "grouping" text together



From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Tue Apr 23 04:44:00 2002
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Tue Apr 23 04:44:00 2002
Subject: Ftp woes
In-Reply-To: <B8EA8BC9.14EC%tim11@bellatlantic.net>
References: <B8EA8BC9.14EC%tim11@bellatlantic.net>
Message-ID: <p05111703b8eac9e315c3@[192.168.123.3]>

At 3:55 am -0400 23/4/02, Tim wrote:
>Thanks again Dave! That was even more than I had expected. Great
>functionality with download status. This will allow me to share one stack on
>different platforms so that it's always updated. I'm assuming that download
>status could be implemented for uploading as well.

Look at the libURLftpUpload entry in the Transcript dictionary.

Cheers
Dave Cragg


From gsaylor at net-virtual.com  Tue Apr 23 04:46:01 2002
From: gsaylor at net-virtual.com (Greg Saylor)
Date: Tue Apr 23 04:46:01 2002
Subject: CGI, MacOS-X, etc..
In-Reply-To: <200204221226.IAA32353@www.runrev.com>
References: <200204221226.IAA32353@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20020423094236.24762@mail.earthlink.net>

>Message: 14
>Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 04:27:11 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Jan Schenkel <janschenkel at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: CGI, MacOS-X, etc..
>To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>Reply-To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>
>
>--- Greg Saylor <gsaylor at net-virtual.com> wrote:
>> [snip]
>>
>> I downloaded the darwin engine (this is a Mac OS-X
>> system) and it does
>> indeed work....   However, I can't seem to get it to
>> work with the
>> "valentina" xcmd... Is there a way to do this?... I
>> tried adding that
>> little resource fork or whatever they talk about to
>> the script, but that
>> didn't do it...  
>> 
>> Is this possible?..
>>
>
>Hi Greg,
>
>Resource-forks in files are a MacOS-only technology,
>and even though Darwin is the core of MacOS X, it
>doesn't have such features as the resource manager in
>its APIs.
>
>I'm not sure if all connections to databases via the
>Database library are done through XCMDs -- but I'm
>sure the RunRev people can answer that one.
>
>If not, then don't use the Valentina XCMDs directly,
>but work through the Database library, as I'd expect
>that to be availabke on any platform, right?
>
>Best regards,
>
>Jan Schenkel.

Jan,

Thanks for your response...  I am not sure if what you are saying will
solve my problem though because it looks like the Valentina is only a
VXCMD -- even as part of Revolution....

My question though is: is there absolutely no other way to use a XCMD in
MacOS without using a resource fork?...  It seems the answer to this
question is a resounding "NO WAY".. Which makes me wonder that it seems
like a different method needs to be developed if possible....   It sucks
that with Windows all I have to do is copy a .dll file into the
Revolution folder and the functions become available, but at the same
time I don't have the development tools I need on the Windows platform...

It seems like this part of Revolution is not very well documented at best
and at worst does not seem to work very cleanly...  It seems odd to me
that I have to copy stuff into a resource fork just to use what amounts
to a shared library....  Further, that since Darwin does not seem to
support resource forks it becomes impossible to use it as a general-
purpose scripting tool because there is no way to use external functions...   

I am a bit sleepy right now, I've been up for too long trying to figure
this one out (and in fact, there does not seem to be a way to do it)... I
hope this makes sense.... ;-)

- Greg



From mail at richard-hillen.de  Tue Apr 23 04:59:01 2002
From: mail at richard-hillen.de (Richard Hillen)
Date: Tue Apr 23 04:59:01 2002
Subject: how to avoid deselcting by clicking?
Message-ID: <3CC53041.F627448C@richard-hillen.de>

Hello,

there is a field with some selected text.

I want to get the selected text by clicking at a button.

So I wrote in the buttonscript:

on mouseup
get the selectedtext of fld "xxx"
put it
end mouseup


Why is there nothing put? How to avoid deselecting by clicking at the button?

Thanx.

Richard Hillen.


From gsaylor at net-virtual.com  Tue Apr 23 05:01:01 2002
From: gsaylor at net-virtual.com (Greg Saylor)
Date: Tue Apr 23 05:01:01 2002
Subject: Revolution as a cgi application?
In-Reply-To: <200204230519.BAA19014@www.runrev.com>
References: <200204230519.BAA19014@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20020423095723.19254@mail.earthlink.net>

>Message: 4
>Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 14:51:09 -0400
>Subject: Re: Revolution as a cgi application?
>From: Troy Rollins <troy at rpsystems.net>
>To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>Reply-To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>
>
>On Monday, April 22, 2002, at 02:34 PM, Edwin Haskell wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know if it is possible to use revolution on a PC as a cgi 
>> application similar to what can be done with Hypercard in conjunction 
>> with  MacHTTP or WebStar using Apple Events?  I'm assuming it works on 
>> the Mac with OS9     (haven't tried it yet). What about on OSX with 
>> Apache?
>
>There has been an ongoing thread regarding this in this list (you can 
>probably check the archives on the runrev site).
>
>The bottom line is yes. I haven't tried this in OSX yet, but given that 
>it is fully functional in Apache on Linux, I wouldn't expect any 
>problems.
>
>HTH
>
>--
>Troy
>RPSystems
>www.rpsystems.net
>


I've been playing with this quite a bit and can definately confirm that
on any of the various UNIX-like versions (Darwin, *BSD, Solaris, etc)
that it is possible to use the metacard engine as a general-purpose
scripting tool... Since you can do this using the "!#" method, it can be
used as a cgi-script very easily....

However, there are some drawbacks which you might need to be aware of
which have been elegantly solved by other scripting languages (such as
PERL)...  Basically what it amounts to is that the metacard engine on the
various versions of UNIX (OS-X excluded because you can use the VXCMD
method of adding a resource fork to your stack and use external
functions) does not appear to be extensible in any way...  The only
method for utilizing external scripts is by running system commands,
which has some pretty heavy performance issues especially if you are
doing any sort of database work.....

In Windows apparently all you have to do is copy the DLL files into the
defaultFolder (answer defaultFolder helped me figure out what this was..
;-))...  It does not seem to support any of the newer MS "technology"
(but then again, since MS keeps changing the rules of the game how could
you possibly keep up with it all?)....

In MacOS you need to do some really hokey thing with adding a resource
fork to your stack... (It's very odd to me coming from a UNIX perspective)....

In UNIX there is not any way that I can percieve to do this and since for
the scripting part you need to use the Darwin engine (the OS-X engine
does not seem to be able to be executed from the command line?)...

So, in short, know what you are really trying to accomplish because, like
every tool, Revolution may not be the best choice for what you are
specifically trying to do....

By the way, if anyone knows (or even wants to speculate) about how my
information may not be correct about the UNIX/Darwin side of this I would
really appreciate any insight you might have....  I would like to be
wrong about my analysis... ;-)

- Greg



From shaosean at unitz.ca  Tue Apr 23 05:08:01 2002
From: shaosean at unitz.ca (Shao Sean)
Date: Tue Apr 23 05:08:01 2002
Subject: how to avoid deselcting by clicking?
References: <3CC53041.F627448C@richard-hillen.de>
Message-ID: <002101c1eaad$ba8ed850$88b15bd1@lanfear>

turn the "traversalOn" property to FALSE

look under the "button" tab on the properties palette (the first checkmark,
i have mine setup with the transcript words instead of easy words =)



From JohnRule at aol.com  Tue Apr 23 08:06:01 2002
From: JohnRule at aol.com (JohnRule at aol.com)
Date: Tue Apr 23 08:06:01 2002
Subject: Metacard vs. Revolution
Message-ID: <183.740db35.29f6b545@aol.com>

> We actually allow you to use the scripts and code in Revolution in your own 

> projects - as there is a lot of good code in there you might want to use or 

> learn from.

This is news to me...where is the documentation for this? What are the rules? 
Isn't this called 'reverse engineering'?

> But allowing you to use them is not the same as allowing you to directly
> compete with us by simply copy, paste, and presto start distributing
> "Evolution, by Runtime Revelation".

That's a good name!   ;-)

All kidding aside, this was such a gray area to me that I cross-graded to 
Metacard. I just wish you had some ground rules...I have no I idea when I am 
'biting' the hand. For instance, you say that by cutting and pasting 'your 
stuff' into my own application ("Evolution, by Runtime Revelation") would 
violate the license agreement. What if I created everything from scratch? 
What if I only created an environment that has all of the editing features 
native to the Metacard engine available to the user, but nothing like your 
animation manager, or the geometry manager? But what if I wanted to add 
something like that later? 

You see, there are too many questions, and no rules. I know this is not the 
place to talk about this, so I will end it by saying I imagine that my 
'paranoia' may subside someday, and I will have to pay the price to come 
back...your environment definitely deserves the accolades it has been 
getting.

JR


From steve at messimercomputing.com  Tue Apr 23 08:28:00 2002
From: steve at messimercomputing.com (Steve Messimer)
Date: Tue Apr 23 08:28:00 2002
Subject: locking stacks
Message-ID: <B8EAD8ED.5C5%steve@messimercomputing.com>

Hi,

This one is directed to the run rev folks.  I have noticed that when I try
to get into any of the components of RR to look at the code I am un able to
do so.  I have heard on the list that this is possible.  If so could someone
tell me how to do it.

If this isn't allowed I understand.

If they are locked could someone tell me the specific method used to
accomplish this. I have a plug-in about ready for testing an I want to be
able to lock it up tight before I distribute it.

Thanks

Steve


Stephen R. Messimer
Messimer Computing, Inc
2501 14th Ave South
Escanaba, MI 49829
www.messimercomputing.com




From PMDA at earthlink.net  Tue Apr 23 12:11:02 2002
From: PMDA at earthlink.net (Tariel Gogoberidze)
Date: Tue Apr 23 12:11:02 2002
Subject: find
References: <200204230519.BAA18965@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3CC592AC.5E3A7F35@earthlink.net>

> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 08:00:10 +0200
> From: yves COPPE <yvescoppe at skynet.be>
> Subject: find
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'd like a script which search for all occurences of a word in a list
> and returns the number of all lines.
> 
> an example :
> 
> a list with :
> 
> Peter
> John
> Richard
> John
> George
> John
> Philip
> Tom
> 
> So if i call the code for "John", the result should be :
> 
> 2
> 4
> 6
> --
> Greetings.
> 
> Yves COPPE

This script is from MetaCard example stack.It works not only on the list
but  on any text file and it is very fast.

This  example  demonstrate the use of associative arrays. The script
parses a text file, count the occurance of each word, and display the
result in a field
on mouseUp
  put empty into field "result"
  answer file "Select a text file for input:"
  if it is empty then exit mouseUp
# let user know we're working on it
  set the cursor to watch
  put it into inputFile
  open file inputFile for read
  read from file inputFile until eof
  put it into fileContent
  close file inputFile
# wordCount is an associative array, its indexes are words
# with the contents of each element being number of times
# that word appears
  repeat for each word w in fileContent
    add 1 to wordCount[w]
  end repeat
# copy all the indexes that is in the wordCount associative array
  put keys(wordCount) into keyWords
# sort the indexes -- keyWords contains a list of elements in array
  sort keyWords
  repeat for each line l in keyWords
    put l & tab & wordCount[l] & return after displayResult
  end repeat
  put displayResult into field "result"
end mouseUp

Best regards
Tariel Gogoberidze


From diskot123 at juno.com  Tue Apr 23 13:13:01 2002
From: diskot123 at juno.com (diskot123 at juno.com)
Date: Tue Apr 23 13:13:01 2002
Subject: use-revolution digest, Vol 1 #360 - 13 msgs
Message-ID: <20020423.140755.360.3.diskot123@juno.com>

>My question though is: is there absolutely no other way to use a XCMD in
>MacOS without using a resource fork?...
Yes. XCMDs are HyperCard, SuperCard style externals that are supported on
MacOS to make porting from those products easier. All new external
development should be done using the external SDK which is distributed
with Revolution. These externals compile to code resources on Mac, DLLs
on Windows, and Executables on Unix systems to work cross platform. The
database library is implemented as a Revolution style external and as
such works cross platform (MacOS,OSX,Windows,Unix) and support Valentina
on Mac and Windows. 

>Further, that since Darwin does not seem to
>support resource forks it becomes impossible to use it as a general-
>purpose scripting tool because there is no way to use external
functions...   
For now you can write an external which contains functions which wraps
around a shared library. This is the way Valentina support works in the
database library (RevDB)..Rev specific functions were added to the VXCMD
product (Rev is not calling the normal VXCMD functions because it needs
to support the binding, binary data and a whole lot more) and RevDB just
calls through to the shared library.

If you need to call mach-o code on OSX you can compile the code as a
bundle and load it using the CFM Manager from the external.

Tuviah Snyder ~tuviah at runrev.com
http://www.runrev.com/
Runtime Revolution Limited - Power to the Developer!


From steve at hybride.com  Tue Apr 23 14:54:01 2002
From: steve at hybride.com (Steve Pelchat)
Date: Tue Apr 23 14:54:01 2002
Subject: How maximum lines into script ?
Message-ID: <3CC5A565.65EB8531@hybride.com>

Hi
How many lines can you put into a script of properties !!
Because I have a 1000 lines in my script and when I click to my button
and  go to my properties, my revolution close
at each time  I do that !!

It's weird !! Is it possible that revolution has a maximum of lines for
a script ?

best regards !

Steve Pelchat
steve at hybride.com
I/O Department
[Image]Hybride Technologies inc


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From Doug_Ivers at lord.com  Tue Apr 23 15:56:01 2002
From: Doug_Ivers at lord.com (Ivers, Doug E)
Date: Tue Apr 23 15:56:01 2002
Subject: send ___ to me in ___ sec
Message-ID: <6150F6099DBED111852E0008C7241464049B37F5@NTSRV-CRD04>

Isn't there a way to "send ___ to me when all currently running scripts are done"?  Or, "send ___ to me on first idle message"?

I want something to happen after all other scripts in the queue have competed...  surely this is a common need.
For example, I need to do some clean up after a card is deleted.  The deletedCard message is sent before the delete, so I'm using this:

 on deleteCard 
    send updateList to field "myList" in 0.1 sec 
end deleteCard 

This works on my machine, but may not work on all machines in all situations.  Is there a more elegant way?  How can I put the send command at the end of the currently running scripts?

Still hoping for a response from someone,

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From alex at mindlube.com  Tue Apr 23 16:40:00 2002
From: alex at mindlube.com (Alex Rice)
Date: Tue Apr 23 16:40:00 2002
Subject: realbasic or runrev?
Message-ID: <40F8F2E2-5702-11D6-BF18-0030653DEAA0@mindlube.com>

Hi, I'm developing a large application in REALbasic. I've recently 
become aware of RuntimeRev. and I think it might be a good alternative 
to RB for this type of app. I don't know *card development, so I am 
wondering how you *card developers think about apps such as this one:

This app has about 50 screens. The user is asked roughly 250 questions: 
multiple choice, text and selection type of questions, and the responses 
are stored in a REALdatabase. (a rather poor but small and embedded 
relational database). After answering the questions, the app calculates 
some reports (a bunch of not very complex math and lots of 
if-statements). The reports functions use CSV comma-separated data files 
for storing lookup tables of constant values. The reports are roughly 
500 lines x 6 columns. The report can be viewed within a listBox control 
(you might call it a tableview or a spreadsheet control) The app can 
also export the report to a formatted Excel file using MS Office 
Automation.

RB's strengths: In RB, I discovered that creating the numerous screens 
and linking the controls to the database fields went extremely fast.

RB's weaknesses: In RB I discovered that the static typing and 
pre-declared variables made a big dent in my productivity as I started 
coding the numerical calculations and the tedious job of hand-formatting 
the reports, in both sending data to the ListBox and sending data to the 
Excel export.

So that's the project. Are there any methodologies or plugins or 
conventional bits of wisdom how this app could be more easily produced 
in RunRev?

TIA

Alex Rice, Software Developer
Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
alex_rice at arc.to
alrice at swcp.com




From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Apr 23 16:55:00 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue Apr 23 16:55:00 2002
Subject: send ___ to me in ___ sec
In-Reply-To: <6150F6099DBED111852E0008C7241464049B37F5@NTSRV-CRD04>
Message-ID: <26CA5608-5704-11D6-BEEA-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Tuesday, April 23, 2002, at 02:51 PM, Ivers, Doug E wrote:

> Isn't there a way to "send ___ to me when all currently running 
> scripts are done"?? Or, "send ___ to me on first idle message"?
>
> I want something to happen after all other scripts in the queue 
> have competed...?surely this is a common need.

If what you want is to insert a script right after all those in the 
send queue, then try this:  Look at pending messages, find the 
message with the latest time (item 2) and then send right after 
that one.  If the list is empty send ... in 0.

(However if you have a message in the queue to remind you of 
something in 5 minutes, do you really want to queue a send behind 
that?)

However, not all queued messages show up there.  I know mouseUp as 
generated by a mouse click is not.  It may turn out that all 
Revolution generated messages are not.  I have gotten the 
impression that mouseUp and the like are called after ready 
messages in the send queue (pending messages).  Some Revolution 
messages are probably called directly from a command and not 
queued.  I would think deleteCard might be like that.

> For example, I need to do some clean up after a card is deleted.? 
> The deletedCard message is sent before the delete, so I'm using 
> this:
>
> ?on deleteCard
> ??? send updateList to field "myList" in 0.1 sec
> end deleteCard

I don't understand why or how this works.  How does the field exist 
after the card is gone?  Does this go to a field of the same name 
on the next card?

> This works on my machine, but may not work on all machines in all 
> situations.? Is there a more elegant way?? How can I put the send 
> command at the end of the currently?runningscripts?
>
I'm not sure what you mean by currently running.  I think unless 
you use wait with messages, only one handler--with handlers called 
by it (message handlers and functions) forming a "call stack"--is 
running.  Immediate execution is only in the deepest call.  I don't 
think of queued sends as running.  Or other queued messages.

If all you are doing is deleting the card in a script and want to 
run a script after all called handlers have finished (returned) and 
then the top handler (say a mouseUp) has finished, then all you 
need is send... in 0.

I'm still learning on this, myself.

Dar Scott



From drvaughan55 at mac.com  Tue Apr 23 17:52:01 2002
From: drvaughan55 at mac.com (David Vaughan)
Date: Tue Apr 23 17:52:01 2002
Subject: send ___ to me in ___ sec
In-Reply-To: <26CA5608-5704-11D6-BEEA-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <4D5283F4-570C-11D6-A507-000393598038@mac.com>

Doug

Dar has covered much of the issue but there is still one thing that 
puzzles me about your question. It implies that the "currently running 
scripts" are running in an order which is unknown to you, or else you 
would simply call your clean-up routine at the end of your last script. 
I assume the relevant scripts are your calls, not Rev messages. You can 
guarantee this by trapping the last Rev message (e.g. deleteCard) and 
sending from that, or using the preOpenCard message for the next card, 
which occurs after your other card has been deleted.

If you can not guarantee which is your last running script your options 
include:
- sending in a suitably long time.
- as Dar suggests, decide your send time by looking at the currently 
pending message list.
- having the clean-up script itself check the pending message list and, 
if the list is not empty, send itself at another short interval then 
exit.

regards
David

On Wednesday, April 24, 2002, at 07:50 , Dar Scott wrote:

>
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2002, at 02:51 PM, Ivers, Doug E wrote:
>
>> Isn't there a way to "send ___ to me when all currently running 
>> scripts are done"?? Or, "send ___ to me on first idle message"?
>>
>> I want something to happen after all other scripts in the queue have 
>> competed...?surely this is a common need.
>
> If what you want is to insert a script right after all those in the 
> send queue, then try this:  Look at pending messages, find the message 
> with the latest time (item 2) and then send right after that one.  If 
> the list is empty send ... in 0.
>
> (However if you have a message in the queue to remind you of something 
> in 5 minutes, do you really want to queue a send behind that?)
>
> However, not all queued messages show up there.  I know mouseUp as 
> generated by a mouse click is not.  It may turn out that all Revolution 
> generated messages are not.  I have gotten the impression that mouseUp 
> and the like are called after ready messages in the send queue (pending 
> messages).  Some Revolution messages are probably called directly from 
> a command and not queued.  I would think deleteCard might be like that.
>
>> For example, I need to do some clean up after a card is deleted.? The 
>> deletedCard message is sent before the delete, so I'm using this:
>>
>> ?on deleteCard
>> ??? send updateList to field "myList" in 0.1 sec
>> end deleteCard
>
> I don't understand why or how this works.  How does the field exist 
> after the card is gone?  Does this go to a field of the same name on 
> the next card?
>
>> This works on my machine, but may not work on all machines in all 
>> situations.? Is there a more elegant way?? How can I put the send 
>> command at the end of the currently?runningscripts?
>>
> I'm not sure what you mean by currently running.  I think unless you 
> use wait with messages, only one handler--with handlers called by it 
> (message handlers and functions) forming a "call stack"--is running.  
> Immediate execution is only in the deepest call.  I don't think of 
> queued sends as running.  Or other queued messages.
>
> If all you are doing is deleting the card in a script and want to run a 
> script after all called handlers have finished (returned) and then the 
> top handler (say a mouseUp) has finished, then all you need is send... 
> in 0.
>
> I'm still learning on this, myself.
>
> Dar Scott
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Apr 23 18:25:00 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue Apr 23 18:25:00 2002
Subject: Message order ( was send ___ to ...)
In-Reply-To: <4D5283F4-570C-11D6-A507-000393598038@mac.com>
Message-ID: <D389E3D9-5710-11D6-BEEA-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

Warning:  THIS SCRIPT WILL DELETE THE *NEXT* CARD!

Here are some scripts that illustrate what handler is executed 
next.  (It does not consider wait...with messages.)  On a test card 
you need button "order test", button "other button", and  field 
"Report".  You need a couple tiny handlers in the stack script.  
You also need some cards  behind this one to delete.  Clicking 
button "order test" will delete one card.

Button "order test"--

on mouseUp
   put empty into field "Report"
   send "log one" to me in 0
   send "log two" to me
   delete next card
   open socket to "127.0.0.1:12345" with message openCallback
   log "Click on other button NOW!."
   wait for 4 seconds  -- Time for you to click on button "other button"
   log "Don't click now."
   send "log three" to me in 0
end mouseUp

on openCallback socketID
   log "openCallback"
   close socket socketID
end openCallback

on socketClosed socketID
   log "socketClosed"
   close socket ocketID
end socketClosed

on socketError
   log "socketError"
   close socket socketID
end socketError


Button "other button":

on mouseUp
   log "other button"
end mouseUp


Stack:

on log s
   put s & linefeed after field "Report"
end log

on deleteCard
   log "card deleted"
end deleteCard

Here is the result:
2
card deleted
Click on other button NOW!.
Don't click now.
1
socketClosed
3
other button

This means...

1.  Executing a custom command occurs in line, even with "send to 
me" (without time).
2.  Some Revolution messages such as socketClosed are queued the 
same as "send socketClosed to me in .2 seconds".
3.  A handler called as result of command like "delete next card" 
will be called immediately.
4.  A handler called as result of an "event" (I'm not sure whether 
I got the right jargon) such as a mouse click is called after ready 
messages in pendingMessages().

I think one can guess which Revolution messages fit into which of 
2, 3 or 4, but there might be some surprises.

Dar Scott



From dsc at swcp.com  Tue Apr 23 18:39:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Tue Apr 23 18:39:01 2002
Subject: Message order ( was send ___ to ...)
In-Reply-To: <D389E3D9-5710-11D6-BEEA-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <AF44B48B-5712-11D6-BEEA-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Tuesday, April 23, 2002, at 05:21 PM, Dar Scott wrote:

> Here is the result:
> 2
> card deleted
> Click on other button NOW!.
> Don't click now.
> 1
> socketClosed
> 3
> other button

You might not get socketClosed.  Depending on your OS (and whether 
there is really a port listening at 12345) you might get 
openCallback (W2K), socketClosed (OS X) or maybe socketError.

(The TD says if the socket fails to open due to an error a 
socketError message is sent, however, I'm not sure whether a 
failure to open due to no listening port is actually an error.  On 
OS X a socketClosed is sent in that case.)

Dar Scott




From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Tue Apr 23 18:53:01 2002
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah)
Date: Tue Apr 23 18:53:01 2002
Subject: realbasic or runrev?
In-Reply-To: <p05101546b8eb85189e33@[192.168.0.100]>
Message-ID: <C0AD54B2-5714-11D6-8C80-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

Such a query usually produces a flood of emails, but I'll stick my neck 
out at this stage having been in the same position recently.

For creating the various displays (windows in RB, stacks or cards in 
Rev), the 2 are very similar. RB provides guidelines to fit with Apple's 
Human Interface rules, Rev doesn't.

Like you, I found that having to pre-define and type all variables was 
extremely annoying in RB. It may make a slight difference in final 
performance but it will lengthen your development time.

Where Rev (& any *card) shines is text manipulation. RB has the 
conventional MID, RIGHT, LEFT, INSTR type syntax although it has a 
useful function called NthField. Rev has extremely flexible and fast 
text chunking so that you can do things like:
	get word 2 of item 4 of line 76 of field "Data List"
	sort lines of fld "Addresses" by item 4 of each
and so on.

The RB listBox is good and Rev does not currently have an exact 
equivalent. It has scrolling list fields, but although these can have 
tab-separated columns, text too wide to fit in it's column will 
overflow, pushing the rest of that line over by an extra tab. There are 
work-arounds for this and a real Table object is supposedly on the way.

Rev has database support too, but in most cases it is unnecessary. Store 
your data in fields on a data stack and you will easily be able to 
access it, save it, print or or whatever you need. Rev doesn't have the 
built-in support for MS Office, but any data can be exported to a text 
file and imported into any spreadsheet or word-processor.

Download the Starter Kit and try a sub-section of your app. People here 
are always ready to help with any scripting questions you might have.

Cheers,
Sarah


On Wednesday, April 24, 2002, at 07:39  am, Alex Rice wrote:

> Hi, I'm developing a large application in REALbasic. I've recently 
> become aware of RuntimeRev. and I think it might be a good alternative 
> to RB for this type of app. I don't know *card development, so I am 
> wondering how you *card developers think about apps such as this one:
>
> This app has about 50 screens. The user is asked roughly 250 questions: 
> multiple choice, text and selection type of questions, and the 
> responses are stored in a REALdatabase. (a rather poor but small and 
> embedded relational database). After answering the questions, the app 
> calculates some reports (a bunch of not very complex math and lots of 
> if-statements). The reports functions use CSV comma-separated data 
> files for storing lookup tables of constant values. The reports are 
> roughly 500 lines x 6 columns. The report can be viewed within a 
> listBox control (you might call it a tableview or a spreadsheet 
> control) The app can also export the report to a formatted Excel file 
> using MS Office Automation.
>
> RB's strengths: In RB, I discovered that creating the numerous screens 
> and linking the controls to the database fields went extremely fast.
>
> RB's weaknesses: In RB I discovered that the static typing and 
> pre-declared variables made a big dent in my productivity as I started 
> coding the numerical calculations and the tedious job of 
> hand-formatting the reports, in both sending data to the ListBox and 
> sending data to the Excel export.
>
> So that's the project. Are there any methodologies or plugins or 
> conventional bits of wisdom how this app could be more easily produced 
> in RunRev?
>
> TIA
>
> Alex Rice, Software Developer
> Architectural Research Consultants, Inc.
> alex_rice at arc.to
> alrice at swcp.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>




From derekbronston at earthlink.net  Tue Apr 23 20:26:01 2002
From: derekbronston at earthlink.net (Derek)
Date: Tue Apr 23 20:26:01 2002
Subject: How maximum lines into script ?
In-Reply-To: <3CC5A565.65EB8531@hybride.com>
Message-ID: <B8EB7EFC.282B%derekbronston@earthlink.net>

on 4/2Y3/02 11:18 AM, Steve Pelchat at steve at hybride.com wrote:
Hello,
You are using the unlicensed atrarter kity which has  a 10 line limit you
can store external lines in hidden textfields and use the do command to
execute to surpas this to an extent.

do field "yourfield"

dere

Hi 
How many lines can you put into a script of properties !!
Because I have a 1000 lines in my script and when I click to my button and
go to my properties, my revolution close
at each time  I do that !!

It's weird !! Is it possible that revolution has a maximum of lines for a
script ? 

best regards ! Steve Pelchat
steve at hybride.com
I/O Department 
Hybride Technologies inc

 




From tim11 at bellatlantic.net  Tue Apr 23 21:09:01 2002
From: tim11 at bellatlantic.net (Tim)
Date: Tue Apr 23 21:09:01 2002
Subject: Ftp woes [Not over]
Message-ID: <B8EB8B17.152C%tim11@bellatlantic.net>

On 4/23/02 4:22 AM, "Dave Cragg" <dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk> wrote:

> At 3:55 am -0400 23/4/02, Tim wrote:
>> Thanks again Dave! That was even more than I had expected. Great
>> functionality with download status. This will allow me to share one stack on
>> different platforms so that it's always updated. I'm assuming that download
>> status could be implemented for uploading as well.
> 
> Look at the libURLftpUpload entry in the Transcript dictionary.
> 
> Cheers
> Dave Cragg

Just when I thought that everything was peachy, I realized that the stack
that I'm compressing and uploading to an ftp server gets uploaded, but does
not retain any changes. I have save stack "TestStack" in the script of the
shell stack, but when I download -decompress-and open that stack, no
modifications are visible. This is strange.

TIA,
-- 
Tim



From matt.denton at limelight.com.au  Tue Apr 23 21:23:01 2002
From: matt.denton at limelight.com.au (Matt Denton)
Date: Tue Apr 23 21:23:01 2002
Subject: Controlling the Clones
In-Reply-To: <200204231856.OAA32096@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <8DE438D8-5729-11D6-A9D9-0003930B4708@limelight.com.au>

Heya

RE: Controlling the Clones ;~*

I'm trying to work out a way to simply 'clone' a stack but keep it 
invisible.  The Clone stack has visible set to false.

Currently doing a rather convoluted Saving and renaming solution... 
works but we seek elegance!

Maybe this should be on the 'improve-rev' but wanted to see if anyone 
has done this before. Clone 'Invisible' keyword doesn't work.  Setting 
off-screen doesn't work (you get a flash).

Talking of Clones: K?ln (Cologne) Concert by Keith Jarret, an all time 
favorite album. Blows you mind!

Cheers

M@



From gsaylor at net-virtual.com  Tue Apr 23 21:53:01 2002
From: gsaylor at net-virtual.com (Greg Saylor)
Date: Tue Apr 23 21:53:01 2002
Subject: use-revolution digest, Vol 1 #361 - 3 msgs
In-Reply-To: <200204231856.OAA32059@www.runrev.com>
References: <200204231856.OAA32059@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20020424024935.749@mail.earthlink.net>

>Message: 2
>From: diskot123 at juno.com
>To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:07:54 -0400
>Subject: Re: use-revolution digest, Vol 1 #360 - 13 msgs
>Reply-To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>
>>My question though is: is there absolutely no other way to use a XCMD in
>>MacOS without using a resource fork?...
>Yes. XCMDs are HyperCard, SuperCard style externals that are supported on
>MacOS to make porting from those products easier. All new external
>development should be done using the external SDK which is distributed
>with Revolution. These externals compile to code resources on Mac, DLLs
>on Windows, and Executables on Unix systems to work cross platform. The
>database library is implemented as a Revolution style external and as
>such works cross platform (MacOS,OSX,Windows,Unix) and support Valentina
>on Mac and Windows. 
>
>>Further, that since Darwin does not seem to
>>support resource forks it becomes impossible to use it as a general-
>>purpose scripting tool because there is no way to use external
>functions...   
>For now you can write an external which contains functions which wraps
>around a shared library. This is the way Valentina support works in the
>database library (RevDB)..Rev specific functions were added to the VXCMD
>product (Rev is not calling the normal VXCMD functions because it needs
>to support the binding, binary data and a whole lot more) and RevDB just
>calls through to the shared library.
>
>If you need to call mach-o code on OSX you can compile the code as a
>bundle and load it using the CFM Manager from the external.
>
>Tuviah Snyder ~tuviah at runrev.com
>http://www.runrev.com/
>Runtime Revolution Limited - Power to the Developer!
>

I have read this a few times and I am even more confused now.....  I
don't even know how to explain my confusion....  So lets start with the
basics of Revolution...

I have no clue, by the way, what you mean by "CFM manager", "mach-o
code", or "bundle".....  I'm most familiar with UNIX (Solaris in
particular) which doesn't have this stuff.. My final application I want
to be deployed on MacOS, OS-X, and Windows -- but it's important that I
build it from UNIX....   Since OS-X is at least partially UNIX I am
looking for a way to build the underlying database using it...  Were it
not for these end-user platform requirements I would just use something
else, but MySQL and Oracle are hardly databases which should be deployed
in a desktop environment....

Problem #1: Basically I have a folder, after having installed the OS-X
version of Runtime Revolution which I bought last week (it was the
business edition or whatever I guess)....  I double-click the
"Revolution" icon and then go to "Tools" and then select "Database
Manager"...  I get a pop-up message which says "Database access is not
yet supported on OS X due to driver issues."....

Problem #2: In looking at the Valentina documentation it clearly does
support OS-X.... So now I am hunting for documentation on how to make it
work, which there doesn't appear to be any except the following:

    VXCMD consists from 2 parts:
    1) XFCN resource "Valentina" (PPC version) -- this is just small
function, which calls Valentina kernel.
    2) "Valentina engine" -- shared library which contain Valentina kernel.

    During development you need
    1) copy by ResEdit resource XFCN "Valentina" into your stack
    2) put the shared lib into "Extensions" folder or folder which
contains application HyperCard, SuperCard or MetaCard.
    When you build a release version of standalone stack/application you
need copy the shared lib into the folder of your final stack/application
(not in subfolder).

So I can surmise from this that this is neither of these options are what
you are referring to as a "Revolution style external"...  So back to the
Revolution documentation....  I find this stuff about "Rev_DB"...  I see
this "revdb_connect" -- finally something which looks familiar to me....
(at least the connect part).. However, upon reading that documentation it
says the following:

   revdb_connect(databaseType,host,databaseName,userName,password)

    use the revdb_connect function to connect to a database.

    Parameters:
    The databaseType is one of "MySQL","Oracle", or "ODBC".
    (etc.)

So this must not be it either.....

Problem #3: Okay, so now on top of all of this I want to use metacard as
a general-purpose scripting tool so I can build my Valentina database
from a command-line utility as part of an automated production process
(which is mostly implemented in PERL and C..)...

So I try to execute the "Revolution" executable and a screen full of
garbage...  So I try "open Revolution" (I remember this from my NeXT
days)...  That works, but it launches the gui....  Okay, so I do a little
test script:

    #!/usr/bin/open /usr/Revolution/Revolution

    on startup
        write "WTF!" to stdout
    end startup

This doesn't work....  So I think maybe it's something to do with the
fact it's a OS-X application and I am running in Darwin (???).. SO I
download the "Darwin.tar" from metacard.com, unzip it and stick it in /
usr/Revolution/Revolution/components/engines/Darwin....   I download it
from metacard.com because it does not look like the engines are stored on
the Revolution ftp server....   I change my script to:

    #!/usr/Revolution/components/engines/Darwin


    on startup
        write "WTF!" to stdout
    end startup


THis actually works, so I think I am getting somewhere.....  But, alas,
maybe not because all of the revdb functions are part of Revolution and
not metacard.....  In the components/engines folder I now have the
following files:

-rw-r--r--  1 wtf  staff  1675264 Apr 23 18:57 Bsd
-rwxr-xr-x  1 wtf  staff  2699332 Apr 15 02:45 Darwin
-rwxr-xr-x  1 wtf  staff        0 Dec 26 22:00 MacOS68k
-rwxr-xr-x  1 wtf  staff  1973678 Dec 26 21:59 MacOSPPC
-rwxr-xr-x  1 wtf  staff  1973678 Dec 26 21:58 MacOSfat

Sub-problem #3a:

The "Bsd" is there because I build a Bsd distribution just to make sure
that this is where it downloads the engines to...  However, when I
download the bsd.tar from metacard.com it is a difference size (1712128
bytes) -- not exactly instilling confidence that I am doing this right,
but there is no documentation to say one way or the other (which is the
most frustrating thing of all)....

... back to the main problem.....

Let me summarize it this way: where the heck is the OS-X engine??... 
Surely it's not the "Revolution" executable sitting in the Revolution
folder??....




So, the above are problems which I need to be solved, but I can't even
start because I can't find a good overview (or even a bad one) of how all
these pieces tie together.. All I am left with is more questions:

A. Where is the OS-X (not darwin) engine?
B. Can the OS-X (not darwin) engine be used for a general-purpose
scripting tool without launching the application?....
C. Can Valentina be used with the Darwin engine?...
D. Does the revdb work with the Darwin/OS-X engine (if it's available)?....  
   D1. If so, where can I get this engine?.. 
   D2. SHould I be using one from MetaCard or Revolution?...
   D3. Where is it?...
E. Is Valentina a "new model" XCMD or an "old model" XCMD?...  How come I
can't get it to work in OS-X without adding this xfcn resource to my
stack?.... 
D. Where is the RevDB library and how exactly do you get it to work with
OS-X when all indications show that not only is the Valentina database
not supported by it but that OS-X itself does not support RevDB "because
of driver issues"?...
E. Finally, does RevDB work with the "Darwin" engine, which seems to be
the only executable I can find which seems appropriate for deploying as a
general-purpose scripting tool on the OS-X platform?....   IF there is a
more appropriate executable to be using, what is it?....
F. Not that it matters currently because the one external I want to use
does not seem to work the "new way", but how the heck do I get these "new
way" externals to become available?.. Do I just copy them into the
"Revolution" folder and it picks them up?...   
G. It seems REALLY odd to me that there is no way to just specify the
darn external you want to make available to your application.. What if
it's some shared library that is part of the system, this method seems to
require that you copy that shared library/dll/whatever into another
location.....   It seems like you should be able to specify the externals
to use, for example:

    /usr/local/lib/libpdf.so
    /usr/lib/libc.so

.. this business about just sticking stuff somewhere and hoping it loads
seems very problematic.......



I can't go on anymore because the more I write the more frustrated I
become with my situation......



- Greg



From gsaylor at net-virtual.com  Tue Apr 23 21:59:00 2002
From: gsaylor at net-virtual.com (Greg Saylor)
Date: Tue Apr 23 21:59:00 2002
Subject: CGI, MacOS-X, etc (reposting with correct title)
In-Reply-To: <20020424024935.749@mail.earthlink.net>
References: <20020424024935.749@mail.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20020424025557.31021@mail.earthlink.net>

>Message: 2
>From: diskot123 at juno.com
>To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 14:07:54 -0400
>Subject: Re: use-revolution digest, Vol 1 #360 - 13 msgs
>Reply-To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>
>>My question though is: is there absolutely no other way to use a XCMD in
>>MacOS without using a resource fork?...
>Yes. XCMDs are HyperCard, SuperCard style externals that are supported on
>MacOS to make porting from those products easier. All new external
>development should be done using the external SDK which is distributed
>with Revolution. These externals compile to code resources on Mac, DLLs
>on Windows, and Executables on Unix systems to work cross platform. The
>database library is implemented as a Revolution style external and as
>such works cross platform (MacOS,OSX,Windows,Unix) and support Valentina
>on Mac and Windows. 
>
>>Further, that since Darwin does not seem to
>>support resource forks it becomes impossible to use it as a general-
>>purpose scripting tool because there is no way to use external
>functions...   
>For now you can write an external which contains functions which wraps
>around a shared library. This is the way Valentina support works in the
>database library (RevDB)..Rev specific functions were added to the VXCMD
>product (Rev is not calling the normal VXCMD functions because it needs
>to support the binding, binary data and a whole lot more) and RevDB just
>calls through to the shared library.
>
>If you need to call mach-o code on OSX you can compile the code as a
>bundle and load it using the CFM Manager from the external.
>
>Tuviah Snyder ~tuviah at runrev.com
>http://www.runrev.com/
>Rutime Revolution Limited - Power to the Developer!

I have read this a few times and I am even more confused now.....  I
don't even know how to explain my confusion....  So lets start with the
basics of Revolution...

I have no clue, by the way, what you mean by "CFM manager", "mach-o
code", or "bundle".....  I'm most familiar with UNIX (Solaris in
particular) which doesn't have this stuff.. My final application I want
to be deployed on MacOS, OS-X, and Windows -- but it's important that I
build it from UNIX....   Since OS-X is at least partially UNIX I am
looking for a way to build the underlying database using it...  Were it
not for these end-user platform requirements I would just use something
else, but MySQL and Oracle are hardly databases which should be deployed
in a desktop environment....

Problem #1: Basically I have a folder, after having installed the OS-X
version of Runtime Revolution which I bought last week (it was the
business edition or whatever I guess)....  I double-click the
"Revolution" icon and then go to "Tools" and then select "Database
Manager"...  I get a pop-up message which says "Database access is not
yet supported on OS X due to driver issues."....

Problem #2: In looking at the Valentina documentation it clearly does
support OS-X.... So now I am hunting for documentation on how to make it
work, which there doesn't appear to be any except the following:

VXCMD consists from 2 parts:
1) XFCN resource "Valentina" (PPC version) -- this is just small
function, which calls Valentina kernel.
2) "Valentina engine" -- shared library which contain Valentina kernel.

During development you need
1) copy by ResEdit resource XFCN "Valentina" into your stack
2) put the shared lib into "Extensions" folder or folder which
contains application HyperCard, SuperCard or MetaCard.
When you build a release version of standalone stack/application you
need copy the shared lib into the folder of your final stack/application
(not in subfolder).

So I can surmise from this that this is neither of these options are what
you are referring to as a "Revolution style external"...  So back to the
Revolution documentation....  I find this stuff about "Rev_DB"...  I see
this "revdb_connect" -- finally something which looks familiar to me....
(at least the connect part).. However, upon reading that documentation it
says the following:

revdb_connect(databaseType,host,databaseName,userName,password)

use the revdb_connect function to connect to a database.

Parameters:
The databaseType is one of "MySQL","Oracle", or "ODBC".
(etc.)

So this must not be it either.....

Problem #3: Okay, so now on top of all of this I want to use metacard as
a general-purpose scripting tool so I can build my Valentina database
from a command-line utility as part of an automated production process
(which is mostly implemented in PERL and C..)...

So I try to execute the "Revolution" executable and a screen full of
garbage...  So I try "open Revolution" (I remember this from my NeXT
days)...  That works, but it launches the gui....  Okay, so I do a little
test script:

#!/usr/bin/open /usr/Revolution/Revolution

on startup
write "WTF!" to stdout
end startup

This doesn't work....  So I think maybe it's something to do with the
fact it's a OS-X application and I am running in Darwin (???).. SO I
download the "Darwin.tar" from metacard.com, unzip it and stick it in /
usr/Revolution/Revolution/components/engines/Darwin....   I download it
from metacard.com because it does not look like the engines are stored on
the Revolution ftp server....   I change my script to:

#!/usr/Revolution/components/engines/Darwin


on startup
write "WTF!" to stdout
end startup


THis actually works, so I think I am getting somewhere.....  But, alas,
maybe not because all of the revdb functions are part of Revolution and
not metacard.....  In the components/engines folder I now have the
following files:

-rw-r--r--  1 wtf  staff  1675264 Apr 23 18:57 Bsd
-rwxr-xr-x  1 wtf  staff  2699332 Apr 15 02:45 Darwin
-rwxr-xr-x  1 wtf  staff        0 Dec 26 22:00 MacOS68k
-rwxr-xr-x  1 wtf  staff  1973678 Dec 26 21:59 MacOSPPC
-rwxr-xr-x  1 wtf  staff  1973678 Dec 26 21:58 MacOSfat

Sub-problem #3a:

The "Bsd" is there because I build a Bsd distribution just to make sure
that this is where it downloads the engines to...  However, when I
download the bsd.tar from metacard.com it is a difference size (1712128
bytes) -- not exactly instilling confidence that I am doing this right,
but there is no documentation to say one way or the other (which is the
most frustrating thing of all)....

... back to the main problem.....

Let me summarize it this way: where the heck is the OS-X engine??... 
Surely it's not the "Revolution" executable sitting in the Revolution
folder??....




So, the above are problems which I need to be solved, but I can't even
start because I can't find a good overview (or even a bad one) of how all
these pieces tie together.. All I am left with is more questions:

A. Where is the OS-X (not darwin) engine?
B. Can the OS-X (not darwin) engine be used for a general-purpose
scripting tool without launching the application?....
C. Can Valentina be used with the Darwin engine?...
D. Does the revdb work with the Darwin/OS-X engine (if it's available)?....  
D1. If so, where can I get this engine?.. 
D2. SHould I be using one from MetaCard or Revolution?...
D3. Where is it?...
E. Is Valentina a "new model" XCMD or an "old model" XCMD?...  How come I
can't get it to work in OS-X without adding this xfcn resource to my
stack?.... 
D. Where is the RevDB library and how exactly do you get it to work with
OS-X when all indications show that not only is the Valentina database
not supported by it but that OS-X itself does not support RevDB "because
of driver issues"?...
E. Finally, does RevDB work with the "Darwin" engine, which seems to be
the only executable I can find which seems appropriate for deploying as a
general-purpose scripting tool on the OS-X platform?....   IF there is a
more appropriate executable to be using, what is it?....
F. Not that it matters currently because the one external I want to use
does not seem to work the "new way", but how the heck do I get these "new
way" externals to become available?.. Do I just copy them into the
"Revolution" folder and it picks them up?...   
G. It seems REALLY odd to me that there is no way to just specify the
darn external you want to make available to your application.. What if
it's some shared library that is part of the system, this method seems to
require that you copy that shared library/dll/whatever into another
location.....   It seems like you should be able to specify the externals
to use, for example:

/usr/local/lib/libpdf.so
/usr/lib/libc.so

.. this business about just sticking stuff somewhere and hoping it loads
seems very problematic.......



I can't go on anymore because the more I write the more frustrated I
become with my situation......

Thank you very much for your earlier reply, I hope this clarifies the
situation....

- Greg



From fuegox at mac.com  Tue Apr 23 23:31:01 2002
From: fuegox at mac.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Tue Apr 23 23:31:01 2002
Subject: realbasic or runrev?
In-Reply-To: <200204240154.VAA09128@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <8F50E474-573B-11D6-85C6-003065B78238@mac.com>

On Tuesday, April 23, 2002, at 06:54  PM, use-revolution-
request at lists.runrev.com wrote:

...snip
> The RB listBox is good and Rev does not currently have an exact
> equivalent. It has scrolling list fields, but although these can have
> tab-separated columns, text too wide to fit in it's column will
> overflow, pushing the rest of that line over by an extra tab. There are
> work-arounds for this and a real Table object is supposedly on the way.
...snip


This will probably be in the next release of Rev.  It is now in the 
latest version of MC 2.4.2

Hang in there.

-Mark Talluto



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Tue Apr 23 23:58:01 2002
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Tue Apr 23 23:58:01 2002
Subject: send ___ to me in ___ sec
References: <200204240154.VAA09128@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3CC63A84.5070506@hyperactivesw.com>

"Ivers, Doug E" <Doug_Ivers at lord.com> wrote:

 > Isn't there a way to "send ___ to me when all currently running
 > scripts are done"?  Or, "send ___ to me on first idle message"?

I don't think so. As far as I can tell, the way you are doing it is a 
workable solution.

> For example, I need to do some clean up after a card is deleted.  The
> deletedCard message is sent before the delete, so I'm using this:
> 
>  on deleteCard=20
>     send updateList to field "myList" in 0.1 sec=20
> end deleteCard=20
> 
> This works on my machine, but may not work on all machines in all
> situations.  Is there a more elegant way?  How can I put the send
> command at the end of the currently running scripts?

I think if possible I'd just make sure that the "delete card" command is 
the last thing you do. It won't matter how long the "send..in" command 
waits, because it will always occur after the delete -- so it should 
work on any system.


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From katir at hindu.org  Wed Apr 24 00:24:00 2002
From: katir at hindu.org (Sivakatirswami)
Date: Wed Apr 24 00:24:00 2002
Subject: put array into custom property--how
In-Reply-To: <200204231856.OAA32019@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <B8EB6482.A03E%katir@hindu.org>

With all the array discussion this was probably asked and answered
but why doesn't this work?

put "Hello|Goodbye|and|but|" into smallDataBase
split smallDataBase with "|"
set the testArray of this stack to smallDataBase

??
Hinduism Today

Sivakatirswami
Editor's Assistant/Production Manager
katir at hindu.org 
www.HinduismToday.com, www.HimalayanAcademy.com,
www.Gurudeva.org, www.hindu.org

Read The Master Course Lesson of the Day at
http://www.gurudeva.org/lesson.shtml
ith all the array discussion this was probably asked and answered but I
missed it...

why doesn't this work? :

put "Hello|Goodbye|and|but|" into smallDataBase
split smallDataBase with "|"
set the testArray of this stack to smallDataBase



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Apr 24 00:32:00 2002
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed Apr 24 00:32:00 2002
Subject: send ___ to me in ___ sec
Message-ID: <3CC6427A.6030500@hyperactivesw.com>

Dar Scott <dsc at swcp.com> wrote:

 > Look at pending messages, find the
 > message with the latest time (item 2) and then send right after
 > that one.  If the list is empty send ... in 0.
...
  > However, not all queued messages show up there.

I think there may still be some confusion about this. Pending messages
contain only those messages that you decide your scripts should insert,
which you do by using the "send...in <time>" command. No native Rev
commands or events are ever placed in the pending messages queue. That
queue is yours and yours alone. The Rev engine has its own private queue
behind the scenes, which your scripts can't touch.

There is no need ever to "send in 0". Simply issue the command. These
two lines are equivalent:

    send "myHandler" to me in 0
    myHandler

Adding the "send" syntax just makes scripts harder to read and
complicates the pending messages queue. Unless there is a reason you
want to track that particular "myHandler" instance in the queue (can't
think of a reason why you'd need to though,) there is no reason to
specifically "send" it. This is valid, and normal, syntax:

    on mouseUp
      myHandler
    end mouseUp

(But maybe you know that and I missed something.)

Rev sends messages in the same order as events happen. Most events
generate specific  and predictable message sequences -- for example,
clicking a button generates:

   mousedown
   mousestilldown -- a few, not sure how many; in HyperCard the minimum is 3
   mouseup -- if the mouse is still in the object, or,
   mouserelease -- if the mouse is not still in the object

Other events generate other predictable sets of messages, always in the
same order.

If you have messages waiting in (your private) pendingMessages queue,
they are sent at the appropriate time and are inserted into the normal
stream of system messages whenever they come due. Your private pending
messages are time-based rather than event-based. They just get stuck
into the stream as needed.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com




From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Apr 24 01:28:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed Apr 24 01:28:01 2002
Subject: send ___ to me in ___ sec
In-Reply-To: <3CC6427A.6030500@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <DD8CDA1E-574B-11D6-BEEA-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Tuesday, April 23, 2002, at 11:28 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> I think there may still be some confusion about this. Pending messages
> contain only those messages that you decide your scripts should insert,
> which you do by using the "send...in <time>" command.

Pending messages contain those sent by "send ... in <time>" AND 
some Revolution
messages such as socketClosed.  (I haven't gotten into externals, 
but I wouldn't be surprised if they can insert into pending 
messages.)


> There is no need ever to "send in 0". Simply issue the command. These
> two lines are equivalent:
>
>    send "myHandler" to me in 0
>    myHandler

Those are not quite equivalent.  I think you mean these two are:

     send "myHandler" to me
     myHandler

This one...

     send "myHandler" to me in 0

...will be executed after any ready messages in pending messages.  
Also, according to the TD, no errorDialog message is sent upon 
errors in myHandler.

This form is handy for messages generated by a control or group 
that may not be handled in all places that it is copied to.  Also, 
you can test out the control or group before copying it to 
destination cards.  Just as one does not have to script a handler 
for socketClosed, the card and stack that use groups or controls 
that "send ... to me in 0" don't have to define them.


> Adding the "send" syntax just makes scripts harder to read and
> complicates the pending messages queue. Unless there is a reason you
> want to track that particular "myHandler" instance in the queue (can't
> think of a reason why you'd need to though,) there is no reason to
> specifically "send" it. This is valid, and normal, syntax:
>
>    on mouseUp
>      myHandler
>    end mouseUp
>
> (But maybe you know that and I missed something.)

I do know that, though that may have been hard to see.  I was 
addressing the problem of executing a handler right after all those 
currently in pending messages.  I think that is what was asked for 
though it may not be what was needed.  Perhaps you understood the 
question better than I and missed the direction I took because of 
my erroneous understanding.

>
> Rev sends messages in the same order as events happen. Most events
> generate specific  and predictable message sequences -- for example,
> clicking a button generates:
>
>   mousedown
>   mousestilldown -- a few, not sure how many; in HyperCard the 
> minimum is 3
>   mouseup -- if the mouse is still in the object, or,
>   mouserelease -- if the mouse is not still in the object
>
> Other events generate other predictable sets of messages, always in the
> same order.
>
> If you have messages waiting in (your private) pendingMessages queue,
> they are sent at the appropriate time and are inserted into the normal
> stream of system messages whenever they come due. Your private pending
> messages are time-based rather than event-based. They just get stuck
> into the stream as needed.

This may be misleading.  It seem that ready messages in the pending 
messages will be executed before any messages that might be 
generated by events even if event times mix with due times in the 
pending messages.  At least that is the way it is on my OS X.

It is even more complicated.  Suppose a handler takes a long time 
to execute.  (Bad style, normally, but suppose.)  Suppose some 
messages in pending messages come due and some mouse events come in 
during this execution.  After the handler completes then the due 
(ready) messages are executed and then, it seems in my scripts, 
only one message from events that came in, the one for the first 
event.  At least for mouseDown and mouseUp, the latter is lost.

Dar Scott



From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Wed Apr 24 02:12:01 2002
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Wed Apr 24 02:12:01 2002
Subject: Ftp woes [Not over]
In-Reply-To: <B8EB8B17.152C%tim11@bellatlantic.net>
References: <B8EB8B17.152C%tim11@bellatlantic.net>
Message-ID: <p05111702b8ec0887860b@[192.168.123.3]>

At 10:05 pm -0400 23/4/02, Tim wrote:

>Just when I thought that everything was peachy, I realized that the stack
>that I'm compressing and uploading to an ftp server gets uploaded, but does
>not retain any changes. I have save stack "TestStack" in the script of the
>shell stack, but when I download -decompress-and open that stack, no
>modifications are visible. This is strange.
>

For anyone following this thread, here are some follow-up exchanges 
between Tim and myself that took place off the list.

At 12:50 am +0100 24/4/02, Dave Cragg wrote:
>I can't be sure what's happening, but here's a guess. If I'm wrong,
>let me know.
>
>You opened the stack on the server by downloading using the method
>in the earlier mail. I.e.
>
>go stack decompress(url tUrl)
>
>This stack has no filename property as it was opened from data in
>RAM, not from a file.  If you try to save this stack, it will have
>no effect as there is no file to save to.
>
>To make changes, be sure you are opening the stack directly from the
>local file. Then save, and upload the file to the server again.

At 10:21 pm -0400 23/4/02, Tim wrote:
>So, I?m uploading the local version on my disk instead of the RAM version.
>How can I then save the RAM version to disk and then upload it? The point
>being, that I want the changes saved and uploaded, and then download the
>modified (changed) version again, etc., ad infinitum.


At 7:58 am +0100 24/4/02, Dave Cragg wrote:
>In that case, you'll have to temporarily save the changed stack to a
>file, and then upload the file.
>
>Something like this:
>
>##make whatever changes
>save this stack as <temp filename>
>put url ("binfile:" & <temp filename>) into tNewStackData
>libUrlFtpUpload compress(tNewStackData), <url>, <message>

Cheers
Dave Cragg


From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Apr 24 02:34:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed Apr 24 02:34:01 2002
Subject: send ___ to me in ___ sec
In-Reply-To: <DD8CDA1E-574B-11D6-BEEA-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <2B73B758-5755-11D6-BEEA-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Wednesday, April 24, 2002, at 12:24 AM, Dar Scott wrote:

> It is even more complicated.  Suppose a handler takes a long time 
> to execute.  (Bad style, normally, but suppose.)  Suppose some 
> messages in pending messages come due and some mouse events come 
> in during this execution.  After the handler completes then the 
> due (ready) messages are executed and then, it seems in my 
> scripts, only one message from events that came in, the one for 
> the first event.  At least for mouseDown and mouseUp, the latter 
> is lost.

I goofed.  I shouldn't have mentioned this since my testing was 
incomplete.

If I click once on a button during the execution of of a handler, 
only the mouseDown is executed, the mouseUp is not.

But...

If I click several times, then several events become messages.  
Some are lost.  Both mouseDown and mouseUp appear in those.

And after trying the single click test again, I find that sometimes 
the mouseUp handler is called.

So... strike all I said about only one event after a long execution 
of a handler.

(I don't know what to think of missing events.)

Dar Scott




From shaosean at unitz.ca  Wed Apr 24 02:46:01 2002
From: shaosean at unitz.ca (Shao Sean)
Date: Wed Apr 24 02:46:01 2002
Subject: [OT] new domain name to my website
Message-ID: <005101c1eb63$105c2b10$88b15bd1@lanfear>

sorry to post this, but it seems that a few people have found and gone to my
website (which contains source code to the runrev/mc projects that i work
on) i have gotten an easier to remember domain name:

http://www.shaosean.tk/
(check out www.dot.tk for more info about the .tk domain)

currently i'm busy working on a project (that's not listed) and will get
back to updating and creating new objects for everyone to use..



From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Wed Apr 24 04:23:09 2002
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Wed Apr 24 04:23:09 2002
Subject: send ___ to me in ___ sec
In-Reply-To: <3CC6427A.6030500@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <3CC6427A.6030500@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <p05111703b8ec24cd26ba@[192.168.123.3]>

At 12:28 am -0500 24/4/02, J. Landman Gay wrote:

>There is no need ever to "send in 0". Simply issue the command. These
>two lines are equivalent:
>
>    send "myHandler" to me in 0
>    myHandler

This is not quite true, Jacque. In the following script, commenting 
in and out the "in 0 seconds" produces different results.

on mouseUp
   send "myHandler" to me ##in 0 milliseconds
   put "HERE 1"
end mouseUp

on myHandler
   put "HERE 2"
end myHandler

Using the "in <time>" extension to the send command will cause the 
currently running handler to complete before the "called" handler is 
run. You can see an example of this in the libUrl library, which 
sends the user's callback message (from a "load url" command) in 0 
milliseconds. It does this to prevent the user's callback handler 
from becoming "intermingled" with the libUrl script. For example, the 
user's callback handler might do something (exit to top??) that would 
prevent the libUrl handler completing properly.


Cheers
Dave Cragg


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 24 04:25:17 2002
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Wed Apr 24 04:25:17 2002
Subject: send ___ to me in ___ sec
In-Reply-To: <DD8CDA1E-574B-11D6-BEEA-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <20020424092033.45836.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Dar Scott <dsc at swcp.com> wrote:
> 
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2002, at 11:28 PM, J. Landman
> Gay wrote:
> 
> > [snip]
> >
> > There is no need ever to "send in 0". Simply issue
> the command. These
> > two lines are equivalent:
> >
> >    send "myHandler" to me in 0
> >    myHandler
> 
> Those are not quite equivalent.  I think you mean
> these two are:
> 
>      send "myHandler" to me
>      myHandler
> 
> This one...
> 
>      send "myHandler" to me in 0
> 
> ...will be executed after any ready messages in
> pending messages.  
> 
>  [snip]
> 

_send "myHandler" to me in 0_ may be necessary if
there's a chance of an exit to top higher up in the
message chain.

e.g. if you want a field to be automatically formatted
as the user types, and you may or may not pass the
keydown event higher up, and it might get trapped
there for some reason, you may end up with an
unformatted field unless you use the send in 0 form.

> [snip]
> 
> >
> > If you have messages waiting in (your private)
> pendingMessages queue,
> > they are sent at the appropriate time and are
> inserted into the normal
> > stream of system messages whenever they come due.
> Your private pending
> > messages are time-based rather than event-based.
> They just get stuck
> > into the stream as needed.
> 
> This may be misleading.  It seem that ready messages
> in the pending 
> messages will be executed before any messages that
> might be 
> generated by events even if event times mix with due
> times in the 
> pending messages.  At least that is the way it is on
> my OS X.
> 

Actually, Dar, this is a normal consequence of the way
applications work : while they're busy they might or
might not capture the event of an impatient user
hammering the keyboard or clicking around.
It all depends on how they handle multiple tasks --
and I still have to see the first gui that is
inherently multi-threaded, so no wonder su much events
get missed.

I'd actually be much more inclined to lock messages
during a lengthy process, just to make sure the user
doesn't accidentally fire that lengthy process a
second time.

Also, in order to avoid data-race problems like in
Java's threaded environment, it's better if the
pending messages are handled first, and the gui events
afterwards.

Just my two euro-cents,

Jan Schenkel.

"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish
at the same time."  (De Rochefoucald)

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From kevin at runrev.com  Wed Apr 24 06:09:01 2002
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Wed Apr 24 06:09:01 2002
Subject: locking stacks
In-Reply-To: <B8EAD8ED.5C5%steve@messimercomputing.com>
Message-ID: <B8EC4FFC.5C6A%kevin@runrev.com>

On 23/4/02 2:25 pm, Steve Messimer <steve at messimercomputing.com> wrote:

> This one is directed to the run rev folks.  I have noticed that when I try
> to get into any of the components of RR to look at the code I am un able to
> do so.  I have heard on the list that this is possible.  If so could someone
> tell me how to do it.

It depends what scripts you want to edit - you can turn on the option to
show Rev frontScripts and backScripts in the Message Box which give you
access to some of the main "libraries".  You can turn on the "Show Rev UI
Stacks in Lists" option in the view menu, and also the option to allow
editing of scripts and the display of contextual menus on Rev stacks in the
Preferences.  At this point you have access to everything - Command Shift
right click a Rev stack to get a context menu, for example.  Be very careful
editing or viewing these scripts: if you break something we don't provide
support.

> If this isn't allowed I understand.
> 
> If they are locked could someone tell me the specific method used to
> accomplish this. I have a plug-in about ready for testing an I want to be
> able to lock it up tight before I distribute it.

To lock stacks for use as a Plug-in, use the "Build Files" option in
Distribution Builder and set a password.  Don't copy any development
resources.

Kevin

Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
Tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165.  Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707.



From gwills at ozemail.com.au  Wed Apr 24 08:27:01 2002
From: gwills at ozemail.com.au (Greg Wills)
Date: Wed Apr 24 08:27:01 2002
Subject: use-revolution digest, Vol 1 #360 - 13 msgs
In-Reply-To: <200204231604.MAA28839@www.runrev.com>
References: <200204231604.MAA28839@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05001900b8ec59b47cb0@[210.84.176.117]>

Thanks Shao for your suggestion.

I have had a play with grouping (now link in 1.1.1). I don't want the 
text to end up with a line under the text (as is in "set the 
textstyle property to link"). So it does not really solve my problem.

When the clicktext function is used it doesn't solve my problem 
either. As is says in the documentation -  "for example, clicking a 
hyphenated word only returns the part of the word that was clicked."

Setting the itemdelimiter has no effect in this situation.

Any suggestions please.

Greg


>Hi Everyone
>
>A few questions regarding selecting text in a field.
>
>1.  I want to highlight a word that is clicked. I have had a number
>of tries, but seem to be only able to highlight the whole line.
>
>2.  The second part of this action is to play a sound file of the
>word selected. The language that I am using has dashes and full stops
>(periods) in the word. eg. "yaka-yora" and "ki.yirriy". If I click on
>these words only the first (or second) part of the word is selected.
>Is there a way to click on the word and select the whole word and not
>be divided by the non-alphabet character?
>
>regards
>Greg Wills
>
>
>--__--__--
>
>Message: 6
>From: "Shao Sean" <shaosean at unitz.ca>
>To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
>Subject: Re: Text selection
>Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 05:25:31 -0400
>Reply-To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>
>take a look at "grouping" text together
>
>--__--__--


From janschenkel at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 24 08:59:01 2002
From: janschenkel at yahoo.com (Jan Schenkel)
Date: Wed Apr 24 08:59:01 2002
Subject: Text selection  (was Re: use-revolution digest, Vol 1 #360 - 13 msgs)
In-Reply-To: <a05001900b8ec59b47cb0@[210.84.176.117]>
Message-ID: <20020424135524.19888.qmail@web11904.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Greg Wills <gwills at ozemail.com.au> wrote:
> 
> I have had a play with grouping (now link in 1.1.1).
> I don't want the 
> text to end up with a line under the text (as is in
> "set the 
> textstyle property to link"). So it does not really
> solve my problem.
> 

Try any of the following equivalents

  hide groups
  set the showGroups to false
  set the underlineLinks to false

that should stop the underlines from appearing.

> When the clicktext function is used it doesn't solve
> my problem 
> either. As is says in the documentation -  "for
> example, clicking a 
> hyphenated word only returns the part of the word
> that was clicked."
> 

I tried it here with a simple field, containing the
text
"yadda yadda.blabla blabla" where i set the style of
the chunk "yadda.blabla" to 'link'

The field's script is

  on mouseUp
    answer the clickText
  end mouseUp

Now when I set the lockText of the field to true, and
click on the "yadda.blabla", the answer shows me the
complete text of the link: "yadda.blabla"

Your quote from the documentation refers to what
happens if the user clicks a word that isn't linked.

Hope this helped,

Jan Schenkel.

"As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish
at the same time."  (De Rochefoucald)

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From rjames at apple.com  Wed Apr 24 09:29:01 2002
From: rjames at apple.com (Richard James)
Date: Wed Apr 24 09:29:01 2002
Subject: Character sort
Message-ID: <B8EC1C8B.2CE0%rjames@apple.com>

Please help.

I need a quick way to ASCII sort the letters of a one word variable.

Thanks
Richard James
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From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Apr 24 10:04:00 2002
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed Apr 24 10:04:00 2002
Subject: send ___ to me in ___ sec
Message-ID: <3CC6C886.8020301@hyperactivesw.com>

Dave Cragg <dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk> wrote:

> Using the "in <time>" extension to the send command will cause the 
> currently running handler to complete before the "called" handler is 
> run.

I see. So in the original poster's question, the script could "send in 0 
milliseconds" within the deleteCard handler and it would always run 
after the card was deleted -- yes?

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From JAMES.G.YATES at saic.com  Wed Apr 24 10:10:00 2002
From: JAMES.G.YATES at saic.com (Yates, Glen)
Date: Wed Apr 24 10:10:00 2002
Subject: Character sort
Message-ID: <33F0B58BF432D211B72200805FEFAAD905A64F85@hun-its-exs01.saic.com>

Ok here's a shot at it:

  put "" into tempVariable
  put "" into outputVariable
  repeat for each char i in yourVariable
    put i & return after tempVariable
  end repeat
  sort lines of tempVariable
  repeat for each line i in tempVariable
    put i after outputVariable
  end repeat

I wrote this off the top of my head, maybe there's an easier way, but this
should work. Note: this does not change your original variable, but puts the
sorted data into a new variable "outputVariable". If you want your original
variable to be sorted and changed, then use the following code:

  put "" into tempVariable
  repeat for each char i in yourVariable
    put i & return after tempVariable
  end repeat
  sort lines of tempVariable
  put "" into yourVariable
  repeat for each line i in tempVariable
    put i after yourVariable
  end repeat

Hope this helps,
-Glen Yates

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard James [mailto:rjames at apple.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 9:26 AM
To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
Subject: Character sort


Please help.

I need a quick way to ASCII sort the letters of a one word variable.

Thanks
Richard James 


From diskot123 at juno.com  Wed Apr 24 10:23:00 2002
From: diskot123 at juno.com (diskot123 at juno.com)
Date: Wed Apr 24 10:23:00 2002
Subject: CGI, MacOS-X, etc
Message-ID: <20020424.111754.192.1.diskot123@juno.com>

>I have no clue, by the way, what you mean by "CFM manager", "mach-o
>code", or "bundle".....  I'm most familiar with UNIX (Solaris in
>particular) which doesn't have this stuff.. My final application I want
>to be deployed on MacOS, OS-X, and Windows -- but it's important that I
>build it from UNIX....   Since OS-X is at least partially UNIX I am
>looking for a way to build the underlying database using it...  Were it
>not for these end-user platform requirements I would just use something
>else, but MySQL and Oracle are hardly databases which should be deployed
>in a desktop environment....
Ah I took it my your questions, that you were interested in writing an
external.

>Problem #1: Basically I have a folder, after having installed the OS-X
>version of Runtime Revolution which I bought last week (it was the
>business edition or whatever I guess)....  I double-click the
>"Revolution" icon and then go to "Tools" and then select "Database
>Manager"...  I get a pop-up message which says "Database access is not
>yet supported on OS X due to driver issues."....
You are using the wrong version of Revolution. Download Revolution 1.1.1
which supports MySQL, and Valentina for OSX. 

>VXCMD consists from 2 parts:
>1) XFCN resource "Valentina" (PPC version) -- this is just small
>function, which calls Valentina kernel.
>2) "Valentina engine" -- shared library which contain Valentina kernel.
You have two options for using Valentina in Revolution. 
Use VXCMD which is from paradigmasoft and is a HyperCard style external
for classic, and I believe a Revolution style external for OSX (Carbon).
Or use RevDB in 1.1.1 which now supports Valentina. RevDB is part of
Revolution and has added support for Valentina in 1.1.1 and has the
advantage that it supporting binary data, binding, and you can use the
same syntax for all databases. 

Valentina engine is distributed with Revolution 1.1.1 for Mac, OSX and
Windows, and it should be ready to go right out of the box (so to speak),
 and the database manager tools now support Valentina, you can also find
database examples which work with Valentina at
http://www.runrev.com/revolution/developers/developerdownloads/usercontri
butions.html

You still need to license the Valentina engine from paradigmasoft either
way...but can use your VXCMD license for to license the Valentina engine
for RevDB.

To create and manage your Valentina database you can download VAPP,
http://www.paradigmasoft.com/product/vapp.html

If you would rather use VXCMD than RevDB for OSX, you can download it
from http://www.paradigmasoft.com/files/vxcmd.html..and look for the
carbon (OSX) version. Note that this is not supported by the distribution
builder,  database tools, database examples in Revolution as it requires
it's own special syntax, which is the reason RevDB added support for
Valentina (so you don't have to rewrite your scripts to speak to
different databases).

>revdb_connect(databaseType,host,databaseName,userName,password)
>use the revdb_connect function to connect to a database.
Check out the latest docs.

>Problem #3: Okay, so now on top of all of this I want to use metacard as
>a general-purpose scripting tool so I can build my Valentina database
>from a command-line utility as part of an automated production process
>(which is mostly implemented in PERL and C..)...
Right.

>B. Can the OS-X (not darwin) engine be used for a general-purpose
>scripting tool without launching the application?....
You could also build a windowless stack (with an invisible stack which
does xyz on openstack or startup and then closes). However I take it that
you are trying to build some sort CGI  or something like a unix shell
script that can be executed and write to STDOUT.

I would suggest  that you download the latest version of Revolution for
MacOS, and Windows (and if you have OSX, OSX). Hopefully by reading the
docs and using Valentina there things will start to fit together (at
least for other other platforms). I'll get back to you on the Darwin
questions, and possibly send you a sample script or stack working with
Valentina offlist.

Tuviah Snyder ~tuviah at runrev.com
http://www.runrev.com/
Rutime Revolution Limited - Power to the Developer!


From dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk  Wed Apr 24 11:53:01 2002
From: dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk (Dave Cragg)
Date: Wed Apr 24 11:53:01 2002
Subject: send ___ to me in ___ sec
In-Reply-To: <3CC6C886.8020301@hyperactivesw.com>
References: <3CC6C886.8020301@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <p05111704b8ec8d3ba1e4@[192.168.123.3]>

At 10:00 am -0500 24/4/02, J. Landman Gay wrote:
>Dave Cragg <dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>  Using the "in <time>" extension to the send command will cause the
>>currently running handler to complete before the "called" handler
>>is run.
>
>I see. So in the original poster's question, the script could "send
>in 0 milliseconds" within the deleteCard handler and it would always
>run after the card was deleted -- yes?
>

In the words of the social scientists, it depends what you mean by "always". :)

If the handler for the sent message is on the deleted card, then how 
does it run if the card has been deleted?

I guess there's only one way to find out, but I'll leave that for someone else.

(And apologies to the original poster. I didn't pay full attention to 
your original mail.)


Cheers
Dave Cragg


From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Apr 24 11:59:01 2002
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed Apr 24 11:59:01 2002
Subject: use-revolution digest, Vol 1 #360 - 13 msgs
References: <200204231604.MAA28839@www.runrev.com> <a05001900b8ec59b47cb0@[210.84.176.117]>
Message-ID: <006901c1ebb0$74338730$7c00a8c0@mckinley.dom>

Greg, you can set the 'underlineLinks' to false to hide the underlines.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Wills" <gwills at ozemail.com.au>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: use-revolution digest, Vol 1 #360 - 13 msgs


> Thanks Shao for your suggestion.
> 
> I have had a play with grouping (now link in 1.1.1). I don't want the 
> text to end up with a line under the text (as is in "set the 
> textstyle property to link"). So it does not really solve my problem.
> 
> When the clicktext function is used it doesn't solve my problem 
> either. As is says in the documentation -  "for example, clicking a 
> hyphenated word only returns the part of the word that was clicked."
> 
> Setting the itemdelimiter has no effect in this situation.
> 
> Any suggestions please.
> 
> Greg
> 
> 
> >Hi Everyone
> >
> >A few questions regarding selecting text in a field.
> >
> >1.  I want to highlight a word that is clicked. I have had a number
> >of tries, but seem to be only able to highlight the whole line.
> >
> >2.  The second part of this action is to play a sound file of the
> >word selected. The language that I am using has dashes and full stops
> >(periods) in the word. eg. "yaka-yora" and "ki.yirriy". If I click on
> >these words only the first (or second) part of the word is selected.
> >Is there a way to click on the word and select the whole word and not
> >be divided by the non-alphabet character?
> >
> >regards
> >Greg Wills
> >
> >
> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 6
> >From: "Shao Sean" <shaosean at unitz.ca>
> >To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
> >Subject: Re: Text selection
> >Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 05:25:31 -0400
> >Reply-To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> >
> >take a look at "grouping" text together
> >
> >--__--__--
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From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Apr 24 12:04:29 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed Apr 24 12:04:29 2002
Subject: send ___ to me in ___ sec
In-Reply-To: <20020424092033.45836.qmail@web11901.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <575D1E86-57A4-11D6-A944-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Wednesday, April 24, 2002, at 03:20 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote:

> I'd actually be much more inclined to lock messages
> during a lengthy process, just to make sure the user
> doesn't accidentally fire that lengthy process a
> second time.

The TD describes this as preventing card change messages from being 
called during a card transition.

What would be handy is a lock of some sort that one can use to 
cause all GUI events (including keyboard) during the lock period to 
be ignored.  Is there something like that?  Something close?

> Also, in order to avoid data-race problems like in
> Java's threaded environment, it's better if the
> pending messages are handled first, and the gui events
> afterwards.

Oh, I wasn't complaining.  I don't mind which way, but if I'm 
making stacks, I need to know which way it is.  I think it is fine 
this way.  It is good to know I can send in time 0 and know it will 
be executed before GUI events and I can take advantage of that.

My only concern, which I amended from "only one event" to "some 
events lost" in later mail, is that some events are lost.  If that 
can happen in general and is not a temporary feature on OS X, then 
I would like a way to lock out the queueing of gui events; they are 
no longer useful.

(I should note that I don't think I have ever seen the first event 
lost, so in very short, that is, fast, handlers, I wouldn't be 
concerned.)

Dar Scott




From kray at sonsothunder.com  Wed Apr 24 12:10:00 2002
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Wed Apr 24 12:10:00 2002
Subject: put array into custom property--how
References: <B8EB6482.A03E%katir@hindu.org>
Message-ID: <00e101c1ebb1$e4ea3ea0$7c00a8c0@mckinley.dom>

Try this:

on mouseUp
  put "Hello|Goodbye" into sdb
  split sdb by "|"
  put keys(sdb) into tKeyList
  repeat for each line tKey in tKeyList
    set the testArray[tKey] of this stack to sdb[tKey]
  end repeat
end mouseUp

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sivakatirswami" <katir at hindu.org>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 12:20 AM
Subject: put array into custom property--how


> With all the array discussion this was probably asked and answered
> but why doesn't this work?
> 
> put "Hello|Goodbye|and|but|" into smallDataBase
> split smallDataBase with "|"
> set the testArray of this stack to smallDataBase
> 
> ??
> Hinduism Today
> 
> Sivakatirswami
> Editor's Assistant/Production Manager
> katir at hindu.org 
> www.HinduismToday.com, www.HimalayanAcademy.com,
> www.Gurudeva.org, www.hindu.org
> 
> Read The Master Course Lesson of the Day at
> http://www.gurudeva.org/lesson.shtml
> ith all the array discussion this was probably asked and answered but I
> missed it...
> 
> why doesn't this work? :
> 
> put "Hello|Goodbye|and|but|" into smallDataBase
> split smallDataBase with "|"
> set the testArray of this stack to smallDataBase
> 
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From k_major at osnabrueck.netsurf.de  Wed Apr 24 12:13:03 2002
From: k_major at osnabrueck.netsurf.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed Apr 24 12:13:03 2002
Subject: send ___ to me in ___ sec
In-Reply-To: <575D1E86-57A4-11D6-A944-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <33360602-57A6-11D6-875E-000A27B49A96@osnabrueck.netsurf.de>

Hi Dar and all,

>
> On Wednesday, April 24, 2002, at 03:20 AM, Jan Schenkel wrote:
>
>> I'd actually be much more inclined to lock messages
>> during a lengthy process, just to make sure the user
>> doesn't accidentally fire that lengthy process a
>> second time.
>
> The TD describes this as preventing card change messages from being 
> called during a card transition.
>
> What would be handy is a lock of some sort that one can use to cause 
> all GUI events (including keyboard) during the lock period to be 
> ignored.  Is there something like that?  Something close?
>
>> Also, in order to avoid data-race problems like in
>> Java's threaded environment, it's better if the
>> pending messages are handled first, and the gui events
>> afterwards.
>
> Oh, I wasn't complaining.  I don't mind which way, but if I'm making 
> stacks, I need to know which way it is.  I think it is fine this way.  
> It is good to know I can send in time 0 and know it will be executed 
> before GUI events and I can take advantage of that.
>
> My only concern, which I amended from "only one event" to "some events 
> lost" in later mail, is that some events are lost.  If that can happen 
> in general and is not a temporary feature on OS X, then I would like a 
> way to lock out the queueing of gui events; they are no longer useful.
>
> (I should note that I don't think I have ever seen the first event 
> lost, so in very short, that is, fast, handlers, I wouldn't be 
> concerned.)
>
> Dar Scott

during this (loooong ;-) thread i have never seen "lock messages" or 
"set the lockmessages to true" in all the mails...

Maybe this could be of some use ?

Well, maybe not... ;-)

Best


Klaus Major
k_major at osnabrueck.netsurf.de



From karlpet at mac.com  Wed Apr 24 12:27:01 2002
From: karlpet at mac.com (Karl Petersen)
Date: Wed Apr 24 12:27:01 2002
Subject: revCopyFile
In-Reply-To: <30A47588-563B-11D6-A507-000393598038@mac.com>
References: <30A47588-563B-11D6-A507-000393598038@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p05100301b8ec8cead1e7@[192.168.1.202]>

David,

After the revCopyFile call, try looking at the result. If it is 
"execution error" then something went wrong with the AppleScript. (In 
the Mac OS, revCopyFile uses AppleScript to "tell" the Finder to copy 
the file to the destination folder. Presumably revCopyFile uses the 
Finder's "duplicate" AppleScript command.) If the result is a long 
expression showing the location of the new file, the AppleScript was 
successful.

Try adding something like this to your script. (The comments explain 
the result.)

   revCopyFile sPath,dPath -- in Mac OS, revCopyFile uses AppleScript 
to duplicate the file
   put the result into tResult

   if word -3 to -1 of tResult is ("of application" && quote & "Finder" & quote)
   then put "copied successfully" into tResult
   put sPath & return & dPath & return & tResult

   -- if the AppleScript is successful, the Finder returns a long expression
   -- beginning with the new file name, followed by all parent folder names,
   -- ending with these three words: of application "Finder"

   -- But if the AppleScript fails, revCopyFile returns "execution error"

   -- "execution error" occurs If the destination folder does not exist,
   -- or a file with that name already exists in the destination folder.
   -- The AppleScript probably returns a long error to revCopyFile, which in
   -- which in turn returns "execution error" to the calling handler.

   -- If AppleScript is disabled or not installed, revCopyFile
   -- returns "Error: AppleScript not installed"

   -- Although the Finder's "duplicate" AppleScript command accepts a parameter
   -- for replacing an existing file, apparently revCopyFile doesn't 
use that parameter.
   -- So it's the responsibility of the scriptor to delete that
   -- file before creating the duplicate. It's also the responsibility 
of the scriptor
   -- to create the destination folder, if that doesn't exist.

Presumably the Finder reports additional errors when permissions 
disallow copying a file to the destination folder.

Last resort: If revCopyFile fails when you KNOW the source file 
exists, and the destination folder exists, and there's not already a 
file with that name in the destination folder, try a script that 
calls revCopyFolder to copy a folder to another folder. For some 
reason my revCopyFile started to work after I tried revCopyFolder, 
which failed at first with a very strange "binary code error" or 
something, then it began to work. I'm not sure if I had done 
something wrong in my calls to revCopyFile and revCopyFolder or what. 
But after some more fiddling, both started to work.

Karl

On Thursday, April 18, 2002, at 07:13 , David Vaughan wrote:

>I am trying to use revCopyFile for the first time. In the course of 
>trying to work out why it does not do it for me, I put the following 
>test script in the message box:
>
>put "/Elsewhere/Users/davidv/Desktop/Telstra usage" into sPath
>put "/Elsewhere/Users/davidv/tmp/" into dPath
>put spath & return & dpath
>revCopyFile spath,dpath
>
>The message box shows the two paths as written above, but no copy 
>happens (and nor if I include a file name as part of dPath).
>
>If I switch the last two lines, thus:
>
>put "/Elsewhere/Users/davidv/Desktop/Telstra usage" into sPath
>put "/Elsewhere/Users/davidv/tmp/" into dPath
>revCopyFile spath,dpath
>put spath & return & dpath
>
>Then not only does the copy not happen but the message box remains 
>obstinately empty.
>
>What gives, please?



From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Apr 24 12:44:00 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed Apr 24 12:44:00 2002
Subject: send ___ to me in ___ sec
In-Reply-To: <33360602-57A6-11D6-875E-000A27B49A96@osnabrueck.netsurf.de>
Message-ID: <50BEEEFC-57AA-11D6-A944-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Wednesday, April 24, 2002, at 11:10 AM, Klaus Major wrote:

> during this (loooong ;-) thread i have never seen "lock messages" 
> or "set the lockmessages to true" in all the mails...
>
LOL!  Actually, Jan had brought it up and I commented on it in the 
mail you quoted.

> Maybe this could be of some use ?

My question, too.
>
> Well, maybe not... ;-)

So it seems from my casual reading of the Transcript Dictionary entries.

I hoping that our mentioning this will cause somebody to write, 
"Oh, you fools, not 'lock messages', you need _________________" or 
"The command "lock messages" will also __________."

Dar Scott




From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Apr 24 13:00:00 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed Apr 24 13:00:00 2002
Subject: send ___ to me in ___ sec
In-Reply-To: <50BEEEFC-57AA-11D6-A944-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <909B9CD8-57AC-11D6-A944-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Wednesday, April 24, 2002, at 11:40 AM, Dar Scott wrote:

> I hoping that our mentioning this will cause somebody to write, 
> "Oh, you fools, not 'lock messages', you need _________________" 
> or "The command "lock messages" will also __________."
>

I found it!

flushEvents()

I used Ian's cool tip of using option-return in the "find term" 
field to find words.  I searched for "event" (I'm figuring out the 
jargon) and after some AppleScript entries, I found it.  Thanks, 
Ian!

It would be nice to match these categories to messages or engine 
behavior.  I'm not sure what "disk" and "system" categories are.  
For example, I noticed that socket callBacks (at least a couple) 
are entered into pending messages.  I would guess that means those 
are not really "events", but I'm not sure.

Dar Scott



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Wed Apr 24 13:07:01 2002
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Wed Apr 24 13:07:01 2002
Subject: send ___ to me in ___ sec
Message-ID: <3CC6F371.6010109@hyperactivesw.com>

Dave Cragg <dcragg at lacscentre.co.uk> wrote:

> If the handler for the sent message is on the deleted card, then how 
> does it run if the card has been deleted?


I made the assumption that the handler being called referenced a 
background field, so it would still be available (a common scenario when 
updating a field list.) If "deleteCard" works the way it does in 
HyperCard, then I would expect an error if the script was referring to a 
card field, since as you say, the containing card would be gone.


-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From k_major at osnabrueck.netsurf.de  Wed Apr 24 16:29:01 2002
From: k_major at osnabrueck.netsurf.de (Klaus Major)
Date: Wed Apr 24 16:29:01 2002
Subject: send ___ to me in ___ sec
In-Reply-To: <50BEEEFC-57AA-11D6-A944-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <EC14E97A-57C9-11D6-875E-000A27B49A96@osnabrueck.netsurf.de>

Hi Dar,

>
> On Wednesday, April 24, 2002, at 11:10 AM, Klaus Major wrote:
>
>> during this (loooong ;-) thread i have never seen "lock messages" or 
>> "set the lockmessages to true" in all the mails...
> LOL!  Actually, Jan had brought it up and I commented on it in the mail 
> you quoted.

Blush...
How embarrassing...

Sorry, i have totally overseen this.

Maybe it should have been quoted, which is helpful in certain cases,
as we might have learned from an earlier thread ;-)

> ...
> I hoping that our mentioning this will cause somebody to write, "Oh, 
> you fools, not 'lock messages', you need
> _________________" or "The command "lock messages" will 
> also __________."
>
> Dar Scott


Regards


Klaus Major
k_major at osnabrueck.netsurf.de



From drvaughan55 at mac.com  Wed Apr 24 16:44:01 2002
From: drvaughan55 at mac.com (David Vaughan)
Date: Wed Apr 24 16:44:01 2002
Subject: Character sort
In-Reply-To: <33F0B58BF432D211B72200805FEFAAD905A64F85@hun-its-exs01.saic.com>
Message-ID: <EE91629A-57CB-11D6-A507-000393598038@mac.com>

On Thursday, April 25, 2002, at 01:03 , Yates, Glen wrote:

> Ok here's a shot at it:
>
>   put "" into tempVariable
>   put "" into outputVariable
>   repeat for each char i in yourVariable
>     put i & return after tempVariable
>   end repeat
>   sort lines of tempVariable
>   repeat for each line i in tempVariable
>     put i after outputVariable
>   end repeat

Just out of idle curiosity, I tried:

put ""rubbish" into theBin
set itemDelimiter to empty
sort items of theBin

Rev crashed.
Funny, that.

cheers
David

>
> I wrote this off the top of my head, maybe there's an easier way, but 
> this
> should work. Note: this does not change your original variable, but 
> puts the
> sorted data into a new variable "outputVariable". If you want your 
> original
> variable to be sorted and changed, then use the following code:
>
>   put "" into tempVariable
>   repeat for each char i in yourVariable
>     put i & return after tempVariable
>   end repeat
>   sort lines of tempVariable
>   put "" into yourVariable
>   repeat for each line i in tempVariable
>     put i after yourVariable
>   end repeat
>
> Hope this helps,
> -Glen Yates
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard James [mailto:rjames at apple.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2002 9:26 AM
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Character sort
>
>
> Please help.
>
> I need a quick way to ASCII sort the letters of a one word variable.
>
> Thanks
> Richard James
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From drvaughan55 at mac.com  Wed Apr 24 17:00:02 2002
From: drvaughan55 at mac.com (David Vaughan)
Date: Wed Apr 24 17:00:02 2002
Subject: revCopyFile
In-Reply-To: <p05100301b8ec8cead1e7@[192.168.1.202]>
Message-ID: <2ED59D2E-57CE-11D6-A507-000393598038@mac.com>

Karl, Jan and all

I have now received quite a few messages on this and am grateful for the 
assistance. I will not, however, be able to set aside time to test the 
various things properly until the weekend, so be patient with me. I am 
fairly confident the suggestions will help me resolve it at this stage.
And to the query of one of the responders, yes, "elsewhere" is the name 
of the hard disk on my portable. The desktop is somewhere. You have to 
have a convention :-)

thanks
david

On Thursday, April 25, 2002, at 03:23 , Karl Petersen wrote:

> David,
>
> After the revCopyFile call, try looking at the result. If it is 
> "execution error" then something went wrong with the AppleScript. (In 
> the Mac OS, revCopyFile uses AppleScript to "tell" the Finder to copy 
> the file to the destination folder. Presumably revCopyFile uses the 
> Finder's "duplicate" AppleScript command.) If the result is a long 
> expression showing the location of the new file, the AppleScript was 
> successful.
>
> Try adding something like this to your script. (The comments explain 
> the result.)
>
>   revCopyFile sPath,dPath -- in Mac OS, revCopyFile uses AppleScript to 
> duplicate the file
>   put the result into tResult
>
>   if word -3 to -1 of tResult is ("of application" && quote & 
> "Finder" & quote)
>   then put "copied successfully" into tResult
>   put sPath & return & dPath & return & tResult
>
>   -- if the AppleScript is successful, the Finder returns a long 
> expression
>   -- beginning with the new file name, followed by all parent folder 
> names,
>   -- ending with these three words: of application "Finder"
>
>   -- But if the AppleScript fails, revCopyFile returns "execution error"
>
>   -- "execution error" occurs If the destination folder does not exist,
>   -- or a file with that name already exists in the destination folder.
>   -- The AppleScript probably returns a long error to revCopyFile, 
> which in
>   -- which in turn returns "execution error" to the calling handler.
>
>   -- If AppleScript is disabled or not installed, revCopyFile
>   -- returns "Error: AppleScript not installed"
>
>   -- Although the Finder's "duplicate" AppleScript command accepts a 
> parameter
>   -- for replacing an existing file, apparently revCopyFile doesn't use 
> that parameter.
>   -- So it's the responsibility of the scriptor to delete that
>   -- file before creating the duplicate. It's also the responsibility 
> of the scriptor
>   -- to create the destination folder, if that doesn't exist.
>
> Presumably the Finder reports additional errors when permissions 
> disallow copying a file to the destination folder.
>
> Last resort: If revCopyFile fails when you KNOW the source file exists, 
> and the destination folder exists, and there's not already a file with 
> that name in the destination folder, try a script that calls 
> revCopyFolder to copy a folder to another folder. For some reason my 
> revCopyFile started to work after I tried revCopyFolder, which failed 
> at first with a very strange "binary code error" or something, then it 
> began to work. I'm not sure if I had done something wrong in my calls 
> to revCopyFile and revCopyFolder or what. But after some more fiddling, 
> both started to work.
>
> Karl
>
> On Thursday, April 18, 2002, at 07:13 , David Vaughan wrote:
>
>> I am trying to use revCopyFile for the first time. In the course of 
>> trying to work out why it does not do it for me, I put the following 
>> test script in the message box:
>>
>> put "/Elsewhere/Users/davidv/Desktop/Telstra usage" into sPath
>> put "/Elsewhere/Users/davidv/tmp/" into dPath
>> put spath & return & dpath
>> revCopyFile spath,dpath
>>
>> The message box shows the two paths as written above, but no copy 
>> happens (and nor if I include a file name as part of dPath).
>>
>> If I switch the last two lines, thus:
>>
>> put "/Elsewhere/Users/davidv/Desktop/Telstra usage" into sPath
>> put "/Elsewhere/Users/davidv/tmp/" into dPath
>> revCopyFile spath,dpath
>> put spath & return & dpath
>>
>> Then not only does the copy not happen but the message box remains 
>> obstinately empty.
>>
>> What gives, please?
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From dsc at swcp.com  Wed Apr 24 17:16:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Wed Apr 24 17:16:01 2002
Subject: Character sort
In-Reply-To: <EE91629A-57CB-11D6-A507-000393598038@mac.com>
Message-ID: <55A792AE-57D0-11D6-9998-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Wednesday, April 24, 2002, at 03:40 PM, David Vaughan wrote:

> Just out of idle curiosity, I tried:
>
> put ""rubbish" into theBin
> set itemDelimiter to empty
> sort items of theBin
>
> Rev crashed.
> Funny, that.

(I assume the extra " is a typo.)

If crashing or locking up is not the desired semantics, then it is 
reasonable to plea for one of these:

set itemDelimiter throws an error
sort throws an error
sort does something ideomatic such as sort the characters

You found it.  ;-)

Dar Scott



From lists at retiariusenterprises.com  Wed Apr 24 21:35:01 2002
From: lists at retiariusenterprises.com (Dave)
Date: Wed Apr 24 21:35:01 2002
Subject: Creating a Font menu
Message-ID: <B8ECC671.7AC%lists@retiariusenterprises.com>

I'd like to create a font menu that lists the fonts that are available on
the users system.

I've figured out how to setup a hierarchal menu, but couldn't figure out how
to setup the fonts.  Any tip would be greatly appreciated.

Many Thanks!


-- 
Dave
Retiarius Enterprises



From gsaylor at net-virtual.com  Wed Apr 24 22:47:01 2002
From: gsaylor at net-virtual.com (Greg Saylor)
Date: Wed Apr 24 22:47:01 2002
Subject: CGI, MacOS-X, etc
In-Reply-To: <200204241601.MAA23186@www.runrev.com>
References: <200204241601.MAA23186@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20020425034319.15161@mail.earthlink.net>

>Message: 8
>From: diskot123 at juno.com
>To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 11:17:54 -0400
>Subject: Re: CGI, MacOS-X, etc
>Reply-To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>
>You are using the wrong version of Revolution. Download Revolution 1.1.1
>which supports MySQL, and Valentina for OSX. 

Okay, I'm doing that as I write this...  Thanks!...

>
>>VXCMD consists from 2 parts:
>>1) XFCN resource "Valentina" (PPC version) -- this is just small
>>function, which calls Valentina kernel.
>>2) "Valentina engine" -- shared library which contain Valentina kernel.
>You have two options for using Valentina in Revolution. 
>Use VXCMD which is from paradigmasoft and is a HyperCard style external
>for classic, and I believe a Revolution style external for OSX (Carbon).
>Or use RevDB in 1.1.1 which now supports Valentina. RevDB is part of
>Revolution and has added support for Valentina in 1.1.1 and has the
>advantage that it supporting binary data, binding, and you can use the
>same syntax for all databases. 

I don't really care which way I do it....  It sounds like the RevDB way
may be a bit easier....  But, I do not see a way to create a database
with it... It seems once the database is created you can connect to it
and build/update tables using SQL commands..   Is that correct or am I
missing something?...

Does revdb pass the underlying SQL directly to do the database?... For
example, the Valentina engine does not support "select distinct"
statements, but MySQL and Oracle do.... Or does it have it's own SQL
parser?...


>>Problem #3: Okay, so now on top of all of this I want to use metacard as
>>a general-purpose scripting tool so I can build my Valentina database
>>from a command-line utility as part of an automated production process
>>(which is mostly implemented in PERL and C..)...
>Right.
>

WHat I don't understand is why there is an "engine" for Darwin, but not
one for OS-X.....  Am I doing this just completely wrong or what?....   I
have tried to create a scripts:

#!/usr/Revolution/components/engines/Darwin

on startup
    write "hey" to stdout
end startup

ANd that works fine... But, I cannot find an engine for Revolution..... 
The "Darwin" engine I got from the metacard.com site, there does not seem
to be one from the Revolution web site... Am I missing something here
too?...  Is Darwin not a supported environment from Revolution but is
supported on MEtacard?....


>>B. Can the OS-X (not darwin) engine be used for a general-purpose
>>scripting tool without launching the application?....
>You could also build a windowless stack (with an invisible stack which
>does xyz on openstack or startup and then closes). However I take it that
>you are trying to build some sort CGI  or something like a unix shell
>script that can be executed and write to STDOUT.

You are correct.. I want to generate a shell script which is executed as
part of the production process... I guess this can be a Revolution
windowless stack as you point out and that windowless stack just does a
"do" on the commands included in a text file and then exits... I think I
can work around this, somehow....  But, it's still rather confusing I
have to say... ;-(


>
>I would suggest  that you download the latest version of Revolution for
>MacOS, and Windows (and if you have OSX, OSX). Hopefully by reading the
>docs and using Valentina there things will start to fit together (at
>least for other other platforms). I'll get back to you on the Darwin
>questions, and possibly send you a sample script or stack working with
>Valentina offlist.

I definately look forward to your Darwin responses... It seems like there
are basicaly two environments here which are rather incompatible with
each other somehow...  For example, I can execute Darwin apps from the
command line, but not from OS-X... (I tried creating a shell script, and
when I double clicked it, it didn't work)....  And OS-X apps cannot
really be executed very easily from the command line, well you can use
that "open" command, but that is sort of odd because it always launches
it in the background.... So it's a bit problematic to tell when the
application has finished running, which would definately be a problem here...



>
>Tuviah Snyder ~tuviah at runrev.com
>http://www.runrev.com/
>Rutime Revolution Limited - Power to the Developer!

Thank you very much for your response.....  It was very helpful!... 

- Greg



From shaosean at unitz.ca  Wed Apr 24 23:30:01 2002
From: shaosean at unitz.ca (Shao Sean)
Date: Wed Apr 24 23:30:01 2002
Subject: Creating a Font menu
References: <B8ECC671.7AC%lists@retiariusenterprises.com>
Message-ID: <002201c1ec10$bf4cae30$88b15bd1@lanfear>

take a look at the "fontNames" function

----- Original Message ----- 
> I'd like to create a font menu that lists the fonts that are available on
> the users system.




From fuegox at mac.com  Thu Apr 25 00:57:01 2002
From: fuegox at mac.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Thu Apr 25 00:57:01 2002
Subject: Creating a Font menu
In-Reply-To: <200204250136.VAA00643@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <C3EEA153-5810-11D6-9D93-003065B78238@mac.com>

> I'd like to create a font menu that lists the fonts that are available 
> on
> the users system.
>
> I've figured out how to setup a hierarchal menu, but couldn't figure 
> out how
> to setup the fonts.  Any tip would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Many Thanks!
>
>
> --
> Dave
> Retiarius Enterprises


Dave,

This is the script I use for fonts in a menubar:
You will have to adjust the stack and group names to your needs though.


   --SET UP THE TEXT SIZES FOR THIS SYSTEM
   put "(Size" & return into button "text" of group "main menu" of stack 
"list"
   put tab & "7" & return after button "text" of group "main menu" of 
stack "list"
   put tab & "8" & return after button "text" of group "main menu" of 
stack "list"
   put tab & "10" & return after button "text" of group "main menu" of 
stack "list"
   put tab & "12" & return after button "text" of group "main menu" of 
stack "list"
   put tab & "15" & return after button "text" of group "main menu" of 
stack "list"
   put tab & "18" & return after button "text" of group "main menu" of 
stack "list"
   put tab & "20" & return after button "text" of group "main menu" of 
stack "list"
   put tab & "24" & return after button "text" of group "main menu" of 
stack "list"
   put tab & "28" & return after button "text" of group "main menu" of 
stack "list"
   put tab & "32" & return after button "text" of group "main menu" of 
stack "list"

   --SET UP THE FONTS FOR THIS SYSTEM
   put the fontnames into lFonts
   sort lFonts

   put "(Fonts" & return after button "text" of group "main menu" of 
stack "list"
   put the num of lines of lFonts into lRepeat
   repeat with x = 1 to lRepeat
     put tab & line x of lFonts & return after button "text" of group 
"main menu" of stack "list"
   end repeat

   --GET RID OF THE EXTRA SPACE AFTER ALL THE FONTS
   put the num of lines of button "text" of group "main menu" of stack 
"list" into tLines
   repeat 2
     delete line tLines of button "text" of group "main menu" of stack 
"list"
   end repeat


-Mark Talluto



From gwills at ozemail.com.au  Thu Apr 25 02:30:01 2002
From: gwills at ozemail.com.au (Greg Wills)
Date: Thu Apr 25 02:30:01 2002
Subject: Text selection
In-Reply-To: <200204241603.MAA23213@www.runrev.com>
References: <200204241603.MAA23213@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05001901b8ed5c446568@[210.84.176.85]>

Thanks Jan and Ken for your input to enable this to work.

I now have a field that has words that have punctuation in them 
grouped/linked. The clickedtext changes to red (and plays the 
appropriate sound file in my stack) and reverts to black when the 
mouse exits the field.

Such as;

on mouseEnter
   set the textstyle of char 11 to 20 of me to link --makes these 
characters "one word".
   set the underlineLinks to false
end mouseEnter

on mouseUp
   set the foregroundColor of the clicktext to "red" -- changes the 
mouse clicked word to red
   -- do things here
end mouseup

on mouseleave
   set the foregroundColor line 1 of field "one" to "black" -- returns 
the text to black
end mouseleave

regards
Greg




From jphurley at jps.net  Thu Apr 25 07:27:01 2002
From: jphurley at jps.net (Jim Hurley)
Date: Thu Apr 25 07:27:01 2002
Subject: Find
In-Reply-To: <200204230519.BAA18965@www.runrev.com>
References: <200204230519.BAA18965@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05010400b8eda3fb485b@[216.119.23.170]>

>
>I'd like a script which search for all occurences of a word in a list
>and returns the number of all lines.
>
>
>an example :
>
>a list with :
>
>Peter
>John
>Richard
>John
>George
>John
>Philip
>Tom
>
>So if i call the code for "John", the result should be :
>
>2
>4
>6
>

How about something like:

Assuming the list of names is in field 1 and the  line numbers are to 
go into field 1 then:

on mouseUp
   put getLines("John",field 1)into field 2
end mouseUp

function getLines tName, tNames
   repeat with i = 1 to the number of lines in tNames
     if tName is in line i of tNames then put i & return after results
   end repeat
   return results
end getLines
-- 
Jim Hurley


From kevin at runrev.com  Thu Apr 25 07:31:01 2002
From: kevin at runrev.com (Kevin Miller)
Date: Thu Apr 25 07:31:01 2002
Subject: CGI, MacOS-X, etc
In-Reply-To: <20020425034319.15161@mail.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <B8EDB4E0.5D0D%kevin@runrev.com>

On 25/4/02 4:43 am, Greg Saylor <gsaylor at net-virtual.com> wrote:

> ANd that works fine... But, I cannot find an engine for Revolution.....
> The "Darwin" engine I got from the metacard.com site, there does not seem
> to be one from the Revolution web site... Am I missing something here
> too?...  Is Darwin not a supported environment from Revolution but is
> supported on MEtacard?....

The URL for the Darwin engine is:

http://www.runrev.com/revolution/engines11/Darwin.gz

Folks, this is the Revolution list.

Kind regards,

Kevin

Kevin Miller <kevin at runrev.com> <http://www.runrev.com/>
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
Tel: +44 (0) 870 747 1165.  Fax: +44 (0)1639 830 707.



From gsaylor at net-virtual.com  Thu Apr 25 08:03:01 2002
From: gsaylor at net-virtual.com (Greg Saylor)
Date: Thu Apr 25 08:03:01 2002
Subject: RevDB performance, can I do this better?
In-Reply-To: <200204250136.VAA00643@www.runrev.com>
References: <200204250136.VAA00643@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20020425125947.19981@mail.earthlink.net>

Hello,

I am using the Valentina database with the revDB interface to it...

I have created a text file with a bunch of INSERT commands, there are 86
columns of data and about 1,000,000 rows in the database total, with the
"insert files" broken up to around 500 records each...  WHen I read one
of these files in and begin doing the insert it happens at about 1 record
per second....  I really don't think I can wait for 1,000,000 seconds to
do an update because the data gets refreshed weekly...

My code is something like this


put URL theFile into theData # theFile is the location of the data file
which is being worked on
put 1 into theCount
put the number of lines of theData into totalRecords
repeat foreach line theLine in theData
    put count+1 into theCount
    revDB_execute(gConnectionID,theLine);
    put theCount into field currentRecords
end repeat


The database currently has no index, but one of the fields is defined as
being "UNIQUE"....

I am very unfamiliar with both Revolution and Valentina so I don't know
if this is a problem in what I've done in Revolution, a problem with
Valentina, or a problem with with the revDB....

By the way, each insert is on it's own line.. I could not figure out how
to get the "bindings" to work yet and I'm not sure if it would help with
this issue anyways...

 -Greg





From steve at messimercomputing.com  Thu Apr 25 09:14:01 2002
From: steve at messimercomputing.com (Steve Messimer)
Date: Thu Apr 25 09:14:01 2002
Subject: re locking stacks
Message-ID: <B8ED86D2.5D7%steve@messimercomputing.com>

>> This one is directed to the run rev folks.  I have noticed that when I try
>> to get into any of the components of RR to look at the code I am un able to
>> do so.  I have heard on the list that this is possible.  If so could someone
>> tell me how to do it.
> 
> It depends what scripts you want to edit - you can turn on the option to
> show Rev frontScripts and backScripts in the Message Box which give you
> access to some of the main "libraries".  You can turn on the "Show Rev UI
> Stacks in Lists" option in the view menu, and also the option to allow
> editing of scripts and the display of contextual menus on Rev stacks in the
> Preferences.  At this point you have access to everything - Command Shift
> right click a Rev stack to get a context menu, for example.  Be very careful
> editing or viewing these scripts: if you break something we don't provide
> support.
> 
> 
>> If they are locked could someone tell me the specific method used to
>> accomplish this. I have a plug-in about ready for testing an I want to be
>> able to lock it up tight before I distribute it.
> 
> To lock stacks for use as a Plug-in, use the "Build Files" option in
> Distribution Builder and set a password.  Don't copy any development
> resources.


Kevin,

Thanks this is exactly the information I needed.  As far as the RR scripts
are concerned I just want to take a peek at a few of the scripts.  I am not
in the least interested in making any changes. What is more important to me
is looking at the way you all do your scripting.  I know how to write RR
code after a fashion, what I hope to learn is how to write the tightest most
efficient code. I think there may be a few hints about that in your stacks.

Your prompt reply is very much appreciated.

Steve



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Thu Apr 25 09:37:01 2002
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Thu Apr 25 09:37:01 2002
Subject: Find
References: <200204230519.BAA18965@www.runrev.com> <a05010400b8eda3fb485b@[216.119.23.170]>
Message-ID: <001e01c1ec65$d77dea50$7c00a8c0@mckinley.dom>

Jim,

> function getLines tName, tNames
>    repeat with i = 1 to the number of lines in tNames
>      if tName is in line i of tNames then put i & return after results
>    end repeat
>    return results
> end getLines

Just a quick caveat on your script... since you use "is in" you might get a
match on "John" for lines that say "Johnny" or "Johnson". One cool way
around this is to use the wholeMatches property and the lineOffset function:

function getLines tName,tNames
  set the wholeMatches to true
  put 0 into offsetLines
  put "" into returnVal
  repeat
    put lineOffset(tName,tNames,offsetLines) into tLine
    if tLine = 0 then exit repeat
    put (tLine+offsetLines) into line (the number of lines of returnVal)+1
of returnVal
    put (tLine+offsetLines) into offsetLines
  end repeat
  return returnVal
end getLines

Just my $0.02,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/



From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Thu Apr 25 10:14:00 2002
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Thu Apr 25 10:14:00 2002
Subject: send ___ to me in ___ sec
References: <200204250136.VAA00643@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3CC81C5F.5030008@hyperactivesw.com>

Dar Scott wrote:
> 
> I hoping that our mentioning this will cause somebody to write, 
> "Oh, you fools, not 'lock messages', you need _________________" 
> or "The command "lock messages" will also __________."

In HyperCard, locking messages only stops navigation messages such as 
opencard, closecard, etc. but allows other messages to pass. But I was 
under the impression that in MetaCard/Revolution, locking messages stops 
all messages. The MC docs, which differ from the Rev docs, indicate 
that's the case and my experience has been the same.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Apr 25 12:40:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu Apr 25 12:40:01 2002
Subject: lock messages (was send ___ to me in ___ sec)
In-Reply-To: <3CC81C5F.5030008@hyperactivesw.com>
Message-ID: <D60C2A0F-5872-11D6-83A7-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Thursday, April 25, 2002, at 09:10 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> In HyperCard, locking messages only stops navigation messages such 
> as opencard, closecard, etc. but allows other messages to pass. 
> But I was under the impression that in MetaCard/Revolution, 
> locking messages stops all messages. The MC docs, which differ 
> from the Rev docs, indicate that's the case and my experience has 
> been the same.

I ran a test.

I modified the script found in my mail to this list "Message order" 
on April 23.  (Be careful, all, it will delete cards.)  I added a 
lock to the top and an unlock to the bottom.  And tested.

The only change in the result is that the deleteCard handler was 
not executed.

All handlers invoked by sent messages and by events were executed.  
(I'm not sure whether "executed" is the right Rev term.)

I then inserted a wait...with messages.  That worked as it would 
without the lock.  The lock seems to have no effect on that as far 
as my testing went.

So, for the version of Revolution that I'm using, the Revolution 
documentation has the right description.  Perhaps there have been 
some changes along the way.

There may be some things I and my limited test are missing.

So, to control events, the flushEvents() function seems to be the 
way to go.  (I haven't tried it, only read about it.)

(I have gotten the MC manual and it has helped when I run into 
trouble.  If I'm still confused--or my code doesn't work--after 
looking at Revolution docs and the MC manual, then I go to the 
source, I "ask Revolution", that is, I probe the engine with some 
tests.  Some place in there, I ask on "use-revolution", of course.)

Dar Scott




From diskot123 at juno.com  Thu Apr 25 13:28:01 2002
From: diskot123 at juno.com (diskot123 at juno.com)
Date: Thu Apr 25 13:28:01 2002
Subject: RevDB performance, can I do this better?
Message-ID: <20020425.142222.372.7.diskot123@juno.com>

>My code is something like this
put URL theFile into theData # theFile is the location of the data file
which is being worked on
put 1 into theCount
put the number of lines of theData into totalRecords
repeat foreach line theLine in theData
    put count+1 into theCount
    revDB_execute(gConnectionID,theLine);
    put theCount into field currentRecords
end repeat


>I am very unfamiliar with both Revolution and Valentina so I don't know
>if this is a problem in what I've done in Revolution, a problem with
>Valentina, or a problem with with the revDB....
Bindings would make it easier to script. But it should not be going this
slow..I recall inserting over 1000 records in little over a second. If
this were a remote database (mysql, oracle) I would assume a slow
connection, but since it's Valentina and local it should be extremely
fast.

If possible send me a sample stack, and sample database offlist.

Tuviah Snyder ~tuviah at runrev.com
http://www.runrev.com/
Rutime Revolution Limited - Power to the Developer!


From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Thu Apr 25 13:51:01 2002
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Dreamscape Software)
Date: Thu Apr 25 13:51:01 2002
Subject: RevDB performance, can I do this better?
References: <200204250136.VAA00643@www.runrev.com> <20020425125947.19981@mail.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <001101c1ec89$c4e37440$6b01a8c0@powercom.net>

> put URL theFile into theData
> put 1 into theCount
> put the number of lines of theData into totalRecords
> repeat foreach line theLine in theData
>     put count+1 into theCount
>     revDB_execute(gConnectionID,theLine);
>     put theCount into field currentRecords
> end repeat

I may be reading this wrong, but I would handle the script like this...

    put url theFile into theData
    repeat with x=1 to (the number of lines in theData)
        revDB_execute(gConnectionID,x)
        put x into field "currentRecords"
    end repeat

I'm writing this assuming that x = theLine
(revDB_execute(gConnectionID,theLine)).  If x is the actuall line data, then
I would do the following...

    put url theFile into theData
    repeat with x=1 to (the number of lines in theData)
        revDB_execute(gConnectionID,(line x of theData))
        put x into field "currentRecords"
    end repeat

Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software, Inc.
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Thu Apr 25 15:29:01 2002
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Thu Apr 25 15:29:01 2002
Subject: array
Message-ID: <p05100300b8ee135cca25@[10.0.1.201]>

Hi,

I have a customProperty
the name is "cName"
its content :
student,1
prof,1
Student,2
prof,2


each line gives a name :

example :
student,1  ===> John
prof,1     ===> Tom


I'd like to add some data "on the fly"
so I start with a new handler
I have to call the custom property
add a line (without knowing how much are stored in the custom 
property) for example :
Peter = student,3

help is welcome. How to proceed ?

thanks.
-- 


From dk42 at mac.com  Thu Apr 25 16:49:01 2002
From: dk42 at mac.com (David Kwinter)
Date: Thu Apr 25 16:49:01 2002
Subject: Renaming a tab?
Message-ID: <CD97F7A6-5895-11D6-980D-003065C7D368@mac.com>

Hello all,

I would like to rename a tab of a button from a script. What's the key?

Thanks



From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Thu Apr 25 17:00:01 2002
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Dreamscape Software)
Date: Thu Apr 25 17:00:01 2002
Subject: Renaming a tab?
References: <CD97F7A6-5895-11D6-980D-003065C7D368@mac.com>
Message-ID: <002701c1eca4$2c6e43a0$6b01a8c0@powercom.net>

> Hello all,
>
> I would like to rename a tab of a button from a script. What's the key?
>
> Thanks

To do this all you need to do is put the new tab name into the button.
Let's say there are 4 tabs and you want to change the name of the 3rd tab,
your script would look like this...

put "New Tab Name" into line 3 of card button "tabbedButtonName"


Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software, Inc.
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/



From dsc at swcp.com  Thu Apr 25 18:00:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Thu Apr 25 18:00:01 2002
Subject: lock messages (was send ___ to me in ___ sec)
In-Reply-To: <D60C2A0F-5872-11D6-83A7-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <A0111482-589F-11D6-83A7-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

I couldn't figure out why my tests didn't jive with Jan's experience...

On Thursday, April 25, 2002, at 11:35 AM, Dar Scott wrote:

> I then inserted a wait...with messages.  That worked as it would 
> without the lock.  The lock seems to have no effect on that as far 
> as my testing went.

I exercised this some more.  That is not quite right.  A non-zero 
"wait...with messages" within a lock-unlock of messages will allow 
sent messages, but will consume and throw away gui events even 
those generated before the lock.  Events that come in after the 
"wait...with messages" will evoke handlers.

Jan, perhaps this is what you have seen.

(I'm on OS X.)

There is a way this makes sense.  Perhaps evoking handlers in "go" 
and "delete card" is somehow the same as evoking handlers when 
processing events.  Processing events right after the mouseUp 
handler in my test is outside the lock, so those were not 
affected.  Even so, this is a surprise to me.

> So, for the version of Revolution that I'm using, the Revolution 
> documentation has the right description.  Perhaps there have been 
> some changes along the way.

So, assuming the behavior I'm describing is the correct one and I 
haven't erred in my tests, then, the description is missing the 
interaction with "wait...with messages".

Dar Scott



From jeanne at runrev.com  Thu Apr 25 21:00:06 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Thu Apr 25 21:00:06 2002
Subject: links and groups (was Re: use-revolution digest, Vol 1 #360 - 13
 msgs)
In-Reply-To: <a05001900b8ec59b47cb0@[210.84.176.117]>
References: <200204231604.MAA28839@www.runrev.com>
 <200204231604.MAA28839@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <v03130329b8ee4114b0ab@[216.99.192.154]>

At 6:21 AM -0700 4/24/2002, Greg Wills wrote:
>I have had a play with grouping (now link in 1.1.1). I don't want the
>text to end up with a line under the text (as is in "set the
>textstyle property to link"). So it does not really solve my problem.

If you set the underlineLinks property to false, it will eliminate the
underline. (Also see the linkColor, visitedLinkColor, and activeLinkColor
if you want to turn off the color changes.) These properties are also
available on the Stack tab in the Properties palette - look on the
left-hand tab, near the bottom of the palette.

>When the clicktext function is used it doesn't solve my problem
>either. As is says in the documentation -  "for example, clicking a
>hyphenated word only returns the part of the word that was clicked."

The current docs say "If the textStyle of the clicked text is "group", the
returned value contains the entire text group." ("Link" should be
substituted for "group" in this sentence - the name of the style changed.)
So clicking a piece of linked/grouped text should return the entire text
group.

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From themacguy at mac.com  Fri Apr 26 00:32:01 2002
From: themacguy at mac.com (Barry Levine)
Date: Fri Apr 26 00:32:01 2002
Subject: Database functionality and tab stops in fields
Message-ID: <7E059F41-58D6-11D6-B0C8-000502E12568@mac.com>

G'day, listas!

Two sets of questions:

#1 - I've been trying to understand the scope of the "database" 
functionality available to me from within Revolution. If I grasp what 
the techno-babble is telling me, it seems I need some kind of database 
"engine" running in the background (Valentina?).

Is there some kind of "non-server-type" DB access available otherwise? 
Perhaps some kind of XCMD that would permit Revolution to "do the work" 
looking up the info in a local file? I'm thinking of something on the 
order of FileMaker as opposed to FileMaker Server. If that's not a good 
analogy, how about 4th Dimension as opposed to 4D Server?

#2 - (and this may be a feature request) - Sarah Reichelt was kind 
enough to detail a method of creating reports using the tab stops 
feature. It would be great if there was a way to specify -each- tab stop 
(like "30,100,150,100,150" meaning "30 pixels -or characters- from the 
left, then 100 more to the next tab stop, then 150 more to the next..., 
etc.). Perhaps this is what is meant by the "Table Object" I've seen 
mentioned on the runrev website?

I'll fill out the feature request at the website to add my $.02.

Thanks,
Barry
--------------------------------------------------------
Barry Jay Levine
"The Mac Guy"



From yvescoppe at skynet.be  Fri Apr 26 01:05:00 2002
From: yvescoppe at skynet.be (yves COPPE)
Date: Fri Apr 26 01:05:00 2002
Subject: Renaming a tab?
In-Reply-To: <CD97F7A6-5895-11D6-980D-003065C7D368@mac.com>
References: <CD97F7A6-5895-11D6-980D-003065C7D368@mac.com>
Message-ID: <p05100301b8ee99abc896@[10.0.1.202]>

>Hello all,
>
>I would like to rename a tab of a button from a script. What's the key?
>
>Thanks
>
>_______________________________________________
>use-revolution mailing list
>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution

You place a line in the text of the btn menu :

put "whatever" into line x of btn "yourbtnName"


cheers.
-- 
Greetings.

Yves COPPE

Email : yvescoppe at skynet.be


From kmajor at metascape.org  Fri Apr 26 02:42:00 2002
From: kmajor at metascape.org (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri Apr 26 02:42:00 2002
Subject: Database functionality and tab stops in fields
In-Reply-To: <7E059F41-58D6-11D6-B0C8-000502E12568@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5ED1E7A4-58E8-11D6-9DBC-003065D52E8E@metascape.org>

Hi Barry,

> G'day, listas!
>
> Two sets of questions:
>
> #1 - I've been trying to understand the scope of the "database" 
> functionality available to me from within Revolution. If I grasp what 
> the techno-babble is telling me, it seems I need some kind of database 
> "engine" running in the background (Valentina?).

it depends on the amount of data you will have to handle.

If the number of records is about up to 5000, then you could even use 
the "card"-metaphore
in RR as a database -> 1 card = 1 record.

Could even work with 10000 records, you should do some testing here

Otherwise you will need some sort of "database-engine" in the background.

We are using VALENTINA for some time now and i can say: Valentina 
rocks !!!!

It is FAST (did i emphasize FAST ?), fast, fast, reliable and fast.

And of course fast ;-). Yes fast...

And support is (almost) unbeatable...

(Thank you Ruslan :-)
(Spassiba :-)

> Is there some kind of "non-server-type" DB access available otherwise? 
> Perhaps some kind of XCMD that would permit Revolution to "do the work" 
> looking up the info in a local file? I'm thinking of something on the 
> order of FileMaker as opposed to FileMaker Server. If that's not a good 
> analogy, how about 4th Dimension as opposed to 4D Server?

Valentina is (to use your example) FileMaker. There is no a 
server-version of Valentina (yet, but they are already working on 
that ;-).

> #2 - (and this may be a feature request) - Sarah Reichelt was kind 
> enough to detail a method of creating reports using the tab stops 
> feature. It would be great if there was a way to specify -each- tab 
> stop (like "30,100,150,100,150" meaning "30 pixels -or characters- from 
> the left, then 100 more to the next tab stop, then 150 more to the 
> next..., etc.). Perhaps this is what is meant by the "Table Object" 
> I've seen mentioned on the runrev website?

Take a look at the "tabstops"-property. That will fulfill your needs ;-)

> I'll fill out the feature request at the website to add my $.02.

No feature request necessary in this case ;-)

> Thanks,
> Barry

Hope that helps.


Regards


Klaus Major
kmajor at metascape.org



From david at kwinter.ca  Fri Apr 26 03:11:00 2002
From: david at kwinter.ca (David Kwinter)
Date: Fri Apr 26 03:11:00 2002
Subject: Renaming a tab?
Message-ID: <6E2747E4-5895-11D6-980D-003065C7D368@kwinter.ca>

Hello all,

I would like to rename a tab of a button from a script. What's the key?

Thanks



From jcwall at jaguar1.usouthal.edu  Fri Apr 26 07:36:00 2002
From: jcwall at jaguar1.usouthal.edu (James C. Wall)
Date: Fri Apr 26 07:36:00 2002
Subject: Card Size
Message-ID: <200204261232.g3QCW5Q03918@jaguar1.usouthal.edu>

I would like to hear the advice of members of this list on what the 
preferred card size is for viewing on screen.  I have been using 640 x 
480 as the standard but this seems to waste a lot of real estate on the 
monitor.  I would like to move to a larger size but does this mean that I 
will be eliminating many potential users of the stacks that I develop?  
Any assistance with this problem would be appreciated.

Jim Wall


*******************************************
James C. Wall, Ph.D.
Professor
Department of Physical Therapy
University of South Alabama
1504 Springhill Avenue, Room 1214
Mobile AL 36604

        Phone:  (251) 434 3575
          Fax:  (251) 434 3822
       e-mail:  jcwall at jaguar1.usouthal.edu



From kmajor at metascape.org  Fri Apr 26 07:56:01 2002
From: kmajor at metascape.org (Klaus Major)
Date: Fri Apr 26 07:56:01 2002
Subject: Card Size
In-Reply-To: <200204261232.g3QCW5Q03918@jaguar1.usouthal.edu>
Message-ID: <574F3A5C-5914-11D6-9DBC-003065D52E8E@metascape.org>

Hi James,

> I would like to hear the advice of members of this list on what the
> preferred card size is for viewing on screen.  I have been using 640 x
> 480 as the standard but this seems to waste a lot of real estate on the
> monitor.  I would like to move to a larger size but does this mean 
> that I
> will be eliminating many potential users of the stacks that I develop?
> Any assistance with this problem would be appreciated.
>
> Jim Wall

we decided to have 1024*768 as our min. system-requirement.

We are living in 2002 !
You can buy 2 Ghz CPU's and a 23" monitor (if the money is available ;-),
so one really has to draw a line somewhere.

And if someone's idea of "multimedia" is a 486 (or Mac LC etc...) with
32 MB RAM and maybe a 8 bit, 14" monitor, well, ehmm, sorry ma'am...

5 years ago we de3cided to make 800*600 our min. sys-req.

But the times they are a changing, and so must standards/sys-req.

Compatibility is a fine thing.
But only to a certain degree !!!

C'mon, the "slowest" pc ypu can get nowadays starts at 800 Mhz...

Even if we might loose some customers, we decided to make this strict 
sys-req.


BUT if you are developing mostly for schools etc... you really might 
have to support
smaller screen-sizes, since schools do not have the most up-to-date 
hardware,
if at all...


Regards


Klaus Major
kmajor at metascape.org



From Doug_Ivers at lord.com  Fri Apr 26 08:22:01 2002
From: Doug_Ivers at lord.com (Ivers, Doug E)
Date: Fri Apr 26 08:22:01 2002
Subject: debugging
Message-ID: <6150F6099DBED111852E0008C7241464049B3806@NTSRV-CRD04>

Most of the time I feel like I'm debugging blindfolded.  Sometimes the debugger is helpful, but sometimes I have trouble with it hanging (or maybe just taking way too long to execute something like sort cards).

Anyway, right now I'm having problems because (I assume) one of my scripts the in message path is catching a system message, and I need to change that code so the message is passed.  Is there a way to query Revolution about where a message is getting trapped?


-- D


From martin at atwork.bdx.co.uk  Fri Apr 26 10:09:01 2002
From: martin at atwork.bdx.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Fri Apr 26 10:09:01 2002
Subject: setting htmltext makes field appear disabled
Message-ID: <l03130300b8ef19a2df11@[195.92.7.196]>

I just set the htmltext of a standard scrolling field for the first time
since I upgraded to the latest v111. When I do so the field takes the
appearance of a disabled field. The backcolor becomes light grey and black
text becomes a dark grey.
As soon as I click in the field to edit, and give it focus, the field
resumes the normal appearance of an editable field, ie the backcolor turns
white and the black text becomes black again.
I'm using release 1.1.1 on macOS

I can work around this but:

does this happen to other people?

rev didn't do this in previous versions did it - or am I misremembering?

martin baxter

m a r t i n

martin baxter Cambridge UK




From eijkhout at cs.utk.edu  Fri Apr 26 10:25:01 2002
From: eijkhout at cs.utk.edu (Victor Eijkhout)
Date: Fri Apr 26 10:25:01 2002
Subject: Card Size
In-Reply-To: <200204261410.KAA26393@www.runrev.com>
References: <200204261410.KAA26393@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05111715b8ef2088e0b0@[160.36.248.96]>

Just a consideration or two:

video projectors often don't go beyond 800x600, so if you need to 
give a presentation, don't go beyond that.

The other day I needed to install some software on my Mac and it 
conflicted with something. When I started up without extensions, the 
monitor came up in default 800x600 resolution, and I couldn't hit the 
OK button on the installer because it was not on my screen.

In other words: my vote is for 800x600.

-- 
Victor Eijkhout <eijkhout at cs.utk.edu>
tel: 865 974 9308 (W), 865 673 6998 (H), 865 974 8296 (F)
http://www.cs.utk.edu/~eijkhout/


From steve at messimercomputing.com  Fri Apr 26 10:36:00 2002
From: steve at messimercomputing.com (Steve Messimer)
Date: Fri Apr 26 10:36:00 2002
Subject: arrays
Message-ID: <B8EEEB9D.5E1%steve@messimercomputing.com>

Hi,

I'm having a bit of trouble with arrays.  I'm obviously doing something
wrong here.

I want to check whether or not a set of flds contain any data. So I have
created an array named answerCk and I have loaded the following fld names
into their respective keys.

  put "AFld" into answerCk[1]
  put "BFld" into answerCk[2]
  put "CFld" into answerCk[3]
  put "DFld" into answerCk[4]
  put "EFld" into answerCk[5]

Now I want to check each fld to see if it is empty [ this is th part that
doesn't work!]
  
  repeat with i = 1 to the number of keys in answerCk
    if fld answerCk[i] is empty then
      answer warning "Field" && answerCk[i] &&  "must contain an answer.
      Please type an answer and try again." with "OK"
      focus on fld answerCk[i]
      exit to top
    else
    end if
  end repeat

Thanks 

Steve

Stephen R. Messimer
Messimer Computing, Inc
2501 14th Ave South
Escanaba, MI 49829
www.messimercomputing.com





From steve at messimercomputing.com  Fri Apr 26 10:44:02 2002
From: steve at messimercomputing.com (Steve Messimer)
Date: Fri Apr 26 10:44:02 2002
Subject: tab order
Message-ID: <B8EEED6E.5E2%steve@messimercomputing.com>

Hi,

I have created a lot of grps with fields. I would like to set a new tab
order within the grp that supercedes the creation order of the fields.  I
can't seem to figure out how to do this. A feature much like the one
implemented in FileMaker Pro would be very useful here.

Any help will be much appreciated.

Thanks 

Steve

Stephen R. Messimer
Messimer Computing, Inc
2501 14th Ave South
Escanaba, MI 49829
www.messimercomputing.com




From g.chirinos at cantv.net  Fri Apr 26 10:45:03 2002
From: g.chirinos at cantv.net (Gustavo Chirinos)
Date: Fri Apr 26 10:45:03 2002
Subject: (no subject)
Message-ID: <9E49EA6C-5923-11D6-B099-0005024B0E7F@cantv.net>

Hi,

I'm just beginning to play with the Starter Kit of Revolution.
Have anybody been able to open a connection with a local MySQL database 
under OS X?

I have a local MySQL databases (installed and open through the Terminal) 
and would like to see how easy would be to create a front-end from 
Revolution.

Thanks in advance,
Gustavo Chirinos



From themacguy at mac.com  Fri Apr 26 11:06:01 2002
From: themacguy at mac.com (Barry Levine)
Date: Fri Apr 26 11:06:01 2002
Subject: Creating a database file
Message-ID: <F750290C-592E-11D6-BC72-000502E12568@mac.com>

Through the kind efforts of both the members of this list and the RunRev 
folks, I now understand how to use an existing Valentina database. 
However, how does one actually create the database file and define the 
fields?

Thanks,
Barry
--------------------------------------------------------
Barry Jay Levine
"The Mac Guy"
Macintosh Troubleshooting, System Engineering, Training,
AppleShare/OSX Server Setup, System Upgrades and Enhancements



From rcozens at pon.net  Fri Apr 26 11:10:01 2002
From: rcozens at pon.net (Rob Cozens)
Date: Fri Apr 26 11:10:01 2002
Subject: setting htmltext makes field appear disabled
In-Reply-To: <l03130300b8ef19a2df11@[195.92.7.196]>
References: <l03130300b8ef19a2df11@[195.92.7.196]>
Message-ID: <a05100302b8ef29ca93f2@[216.229.107.53]>

>I just set the htmltext of a standard scrolling field for the first time
>since I upgraded to the latest v111. When I do so the field takes the
>appearance of a disabled field. The backcolor becomes light grey and black
>text becomes a dark grey.
>As soon as I click in the field to edit, and give it focus, the field
>resumes the normal appearance of an editable field, ie the backcolor turns
>white and the black text becomes black again.
>I'm using release 1.1.1 on macOS

Hi Martin,

Same here: O/S 9, Rev 1.1.1, iBook & PBG3.
-- 

Rob Cozens
CCW, Serendipity Software Company
http://www.oenolog.com/who.htm

"And I, which was two fooles, do so grow three;
Who are a little wise, the best fooles bee."

from "The Triple Foole" by John Donne (1572-1631)


From jacque at hyperactivesw.com  Fri Apr 26 11:17:01 2002
From: jacque at hyperactivesw.com (J. Landman Gay)
Date: Fri Apr 26 11:17:01 2002
Subject: lock messages (was send ___ to me in ___ sec)
References: <200204261410.KAA26527@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3CC97CA3.1080305@hyperactivesw.com>

Dar Scott <dsc at swcp.com> wrote:

> A non-zero 
> "wait...with messages" within a lock-unlock of messages will allow 
> sent messages, but will consume and throw away gui events even 
> those generated before the lock.  Events that come in after the 
> "wait...with messages" will evoke handlers.

That's what I'd expect. Locking messages would lock out all the events 
in the native queue (what you called the "GUI" events, which is as good 
a description as any,) while still allowing a script's custom "sent" 
events to go through. I should have clarified my original post better.

-- 
Jacqueline Landman Gay         |     jacque at hyperactivesw.com
HyperActive Software           |     http://www.hyperactivesw.com



From JAMES.G.YATES at saic.com  Fri Apr 26 11:49:01 2002
From: JAMES.G.YATES at saic.com (Yates, Glen)
Date: Fri Apr 26 11:49:01 2002
Subject: Card Size
Message-ID: <33F0B58BF432D211B72200805FEFAAD905A64F86@hun-its-exs01.saic.com>

Well, I think it all depends on your specific application requirements,
target audience, etc.

On our last major project (2 years ago) we used 800x600, but suffered some
compromises in graphics quality i.e. we had to shrink some graphics down,
show only portions of a screen, etc. (It's a training application, so we
show screen shots from another app).

Now, this year we've moved up to 1024x768, and are much more happy with the
resulting look. And, with the popularity of 17" monitors, I expect we'll
stay at this resolution for some time.

Also, don't be stupid about screen sizes, always test your screen resolution
before displaying a card that may be bigger than it. Some apps, such as the
installer mentioned below, should be able to test the screen resolution, and
intelligently adjust itself to fit.

Just my 2 cents.

Glen Yates

> Just a consideration or two:
> 
> video projectors often don't go beyond 800x600, so if you need to 
> give a presentation, don't go beyond that.
> 
> The other day I needed to install some software on my Mac and it 
> conflicted with something. When I started up without extensions, the 
> monitor came up in default 800x600 resolution, and I couldn't hit the 
> OK button on the installer because it was not on my screen.
> 
> In other words: my vote is for 800x600.
> 
> -- 
> Victor Eijkhout <eijkhout at cs.utk.edu>


From kurtkaufman at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 26 12:03:01 2002
From: kurtkaufman at hotmail.com (Kurt Kaufman)
Date: Fri Apr 26 12:03:01 2002
Subject: MIDI & RR
Message-ID: <F4e3WYIgoFT3kMUVfNI00000973@hotmail.com>

Has anyone had experience using MIDI with RR?  My chief interest would be in 
being able to create files of MIDI data, rather than writing something to 
record "live" MIDI data.
-Kurt

_________________________________________________________________
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.



From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Fri Apr 26 12:10:01 2002
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Dreamscape Software)
Date: Fri Apr 26 12:10:01 2002
Subject: Card Size
References: <200204261232.g3QCW5Q03918@jaguar1.usouthal.edu>
Message-ID: <007001c1ed44$d4cdca20$6b01a8c0@powercom.net>

> I would like to hear the advice of members of this list on what the
> preferred card size is for viewing on screen.  I have been using 640 x
> 480 as the standard but this seems to waste a lot of real estate on the
> monitor.  I would like to move to a larger size but does this mean that I
> will be eliminating many potential users of the stacks that I develop?
> Any assistance with this problem would be appreciated.

My job is to convert Photoshop Documents to Web Pages, and one thing we
definately did was choose a screen resolution that we felt would be the
minimum for web pages.  All of the pages that I code are developed to look
fine on an 800X600 Resolution monitor.  I also try to write the pages so
they will look good on any sized monitor or bigger.

You have to consider is your audience.  If your looking to make some sort of
educational multimedia project, then you might want to consider targeting
the older computers.  Yes, they're very outdated, but a lot of schools are
still using Macintosh Centris 650's (I know this for a fact).  For that type
of audience it might be good idea to use 640X480.

Now if your going some other route, like something that requires a lot out
of the user, then you might just assume that the user is going to have a
relatively good setup, and will be able to handle 1024X768.

It all depends on what your target audience is.

Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software, Inc.
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Fri Apr 26 12:36:00 2002
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Fri Apr 26 12:36:00 2002
Subject: Database functionality and tab stops in fields
References: <7E059F41-58D6-11D6-B0C8-000502E12568@mac.com>
Message-ID: <004401c1ed47$ec87aca0$7c00a8c0@mckinley.dom>

Barry,

You can use DB access in Rev locally - the demonstration stack I created to
show off Rev's DB capabilities accesses a local MS Access database. You can
view/download it at:

http://www.runrev.com/revolution/info/compare/index.html

It's the "Revolution vs. VB" comparison.

Hope this helps,

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/


----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Levine" <themacguy at mac.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Friday, April 26, 2002 12:28 AM
Subject: Database functionality and tab stops in fields


> G'day, listas!
>
> Two sets of questions:
>
> #1 - I've been trying to understand the scope of the "database"
> functionality available to me from within Revolution. If I grasp what
> the techno-babble is telling me, it seems I need some kind of database
> "engine" running in the background (Valentina?).
>
> Is there some kind of "non-server-type" DB access available otherwise?
> Perhaps some kind of XCMD that would permit Revolution to "do the work"
> looking up the info in a local file? I'm thinking of something on the
> order of FileMaker as opposed to FileMaker Server. If that's not a good
> analogy, how about 4th Dimension as opposed to 4D Server?
>
> #2 - (and this may be a feature request) - Sarah Reichelt was kind
> enough to detail a method of creating reports using the tab stops
> feature. It would be great if there was a way to specify -each- tab stop
> (like "30,100,150,100,150" meaning "30 pixels -or characters- from the
> left, then 100 more to the next tab stop, then 150 more to the next...,
> etc.). Perhaps this is what is meant by the "Table Object" I've seen
> mentioned on the runrev website?
>
> I'll fill out the feature request at the website to add my $.02.
>
> Thanks,
> Barry
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Barry Jay Levine
> "The Mac Guy"
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From diskot123 at juno.com  Fri Apr 26 13:11:01 2002
From: diskot123 at juno.com (diskot123 at juno.com)
Date: Fri Apr 26 13:11:01 2002
Subject: Creating a database file
Message-ID: <20020426.140715.280.2.diskot123@juno.com>

>Through the kind efforts of both the members of this list and the RunRev

>folks, I now understand how to use an existing Valentina database. 
>However, how does one actually create the database file and define the 
>fields?
Using VAPP.

http://www.paradigmasoft.com/product/vapp.html

You can define the fields either in VAPP, or using SQL (create table).

The next version of RevDB will add a revdb_valentina command which will
allow you to call through to VXCMD functions (hey you need to license it
anyway so why make you choose), and revdb_DBRefToConnection and
revdb_CursorRefToCursor..enabling Rev users to be able to use the same
syntax across all database but be able to use Valentina (VXCMD) specific
functions if they need to (like creating a database). 

Tuviah Snyder ~ tuviah at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/


From diskot123 at juno.com  Fri Apr 26 13:12:01 2002
From: diskot123 at juno.com (diskot123 at juno.com)
Date: Fri Apr 26 13:12:01 2002
Subject: MySQL localhost
Message-ID: <20020426.140715.280.1.diskot123@juno.com>

>I have a local MySQL databases (installed and open through the Terminal)

>and would like to see how easy would be to create a front-end from 
>Revolution.
Very easy. The host to pass to revdb_connect would be localhost. You can
find database examples at
http://www.runrev.com/revolution/developers/developerdownloads/usercontri
butions.html

In particular you'll be interested in the software database demo..which
works with all databases. You'll find a text file with the SQL you would
need to create the necessary tables for the example. You may also want to
check out the scripts to the database manager which can be found under
the tools menu.


Tuviah Snyder ~ tuviah at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From g.chirinos at cantv.net  Fri Apr 26 14:48:03 2002
From: g.chirinos at cantv.net (Gustavo Chirinos)
Date: Fri Apr 26 14:48:03 2002
Subject: MySQL localhost
In-Reply-To: <20020426.140715.280.1.diskot123@juno.com>
Message-ID: <94D78520-5945-11D6-B9EE-0005024B0E7F@cantv.net>

Thanks for the info.
I downloaded the demo, but can't suceed in executing the SQL commands. I 
typed the database type (MySQL), host, database, user and password, and 
when pressing button "New Connection" get the following dialog message: 
"revdberr, restricted under current license". And I can't see any field 
or space where to type the SQL commands.

Reading through the online help I understand is necesary to install a 
MySQL library access. Is that true even for OS X? I haven't installed it 
yet, because it talks about putting files in the Extension folder... No 
such thing exist in OS X.

Thanks in advance.
Gustavo Chirinos
On viernes, abril 26, 2002, at 02:56  pm, diskot123 at juno.com wrote:

>> I have a local MySQL databases (installed and open through the 
>> Terminal)
>
>> and would like to see how easy would be to create a front-end from
>> Revolution.
> Very easy. The host to pass to revdb_connect would be localhost. You can
> find database examples at
> http://www.runrev.com/revolution/developers/developerdownloads/usercontri
> butions.html
>
> In particular you'll be interested in the software database demo..which
> works with all databases. You'll find a text file with the SQL you would
> need to create the necessary tables for the example. You may also want 
> to
> check out the scripts to the database manager which can be found under
> the tools menu.
>
>
> Tuviah Snyder ~ tuviah at runrev.com
> Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
> http://www.runrev.com/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From karlpet at mac.com  Fri Apr 26 16:58:01 2002
From: karlpet at mac.com (Karl Petersen)
Date: Fri Apr 26 16:58:01 2002
Subject: tab order
In-Reply-To: <B8EEED6E.5E2%steve@messimercomputing.com>
References: <B8EEED6E.5E2%steve@messimercomputing.com>
Message-ID: <p05100302b8ef7ad7ae9d@[192.168.1.202]>

At 11:41 AM -0400 4/26/02, Steve Messimer wrote:
>I would like to set a new tab order within the grp that supercedes 
>the creation order of the fields.

Steve, try an "on tabKey" handler. It can be placed in field script 
or if it makes better sense, at some other scripting level. The 
handler can use "word 2 of the selectedField" to identify which field 
the cursor is in, then "select text of <your next field>" to advance 
to the next field. Or, if the shiftKey is down, retreat to the 
preceding field.

Karl


From karlpet at mac.com  Fri Apr 26 16:58:42 2002
From: karlpet at mac.com (Karl Petersen)
Date: Fri Apr 26 16:58:42 2002
Subject: tab order
In-Reply-To: <B8EEED6E.5E2%steve@messimercomputing.com>
References: <B8EEED6E.5E2%steve@messimercomputing.com>
Message-ID: <p05100302b8ef7ad7ae9d@[192.168.1.202]>

At 11:41 AM -0400 4/26/02, Steve Messimer wrote:
>I would like to set a new tab order within the grp that supercedes 
>the creation order of the fields.

Steve, try an "on tabKey" handler. It can be placed in field script 
or if it makes better sense, at some other scripting level. The 
handler can use "word 2 of the selectedField" to identify which field 
the cursor is in, then "select text of <your next field>" to advance 
to the next field. Or, if the shiftKey is down, retreat to the 
preceding field.

Karl


From dsc at swcp.com  Sat Apr 27 04:10:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sat Apr 27 04:10:01 2002
Subject: read from process binary mode?
Message-ID: <ED133DC0-59BD-11D6-A285-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Windows 2000 when I read from process the carriage returns get 
converted to line feeds.  I expect this is an attempt to convert 
line ends to match Revolution line ends.

I'd like to turn this off.  Is there a way?

First of all, on Windows 2000 some applications use cr as end of 
line and some use cr lf.  In the latter case I end up with double 
lines.

Second, I have a place where I want to see what is really there.

Dar Scott



From tbandi at swissonline.ch  Sat Apr 27 05:13:01 2002
From: tbandi at swissonline.ch (Till Bandi)
Date: Sat Apr 27 05:13:01 2002
Subject: tab order
In-Reply-To: <p05100302b8ef7ad7ae9d@[192.168.1.202]>
Message-ID: <E31F6342-59C6-11D6-B93C-0003936B4B9C@swissonline.ch>

are you in edit-mode? If you have the group selected then choose the 
edit mood. Then - and as far as I can see only then - you can change the 
layer number. The arrows do in some cases (I have a imported 
hypercard-stack where they don't - not work.

Till

Am Freitag den, 26. April 2002, um 23:54, schrieb Karl Petersen:

> At 11:41 AM -0400 4/26/02, Steve Messimer wrote:
>> I would like to set a new tab order within the grp that supercedes the 
>> creation order of the fields.
>
> Steve, try an "on tabKey" handler. It can be placed in field script or 
> if it makes better sense, at some other scripting level. The handler 
> can use "word 2 of the selectedField" to identify which field the 
> cursor is in, then "select text of <your next field>" to advance to the 
> next field. Or, if the shiftKey is down, retreat to the preceding field.
>
> Karl
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From wmb at internettrainer.com  Sat Apr 27 07:47:01 2002
From: wmb at internettrainer.com (Wolfgang M. Bereuter)
Date: Sat Apr 27 07:47:01 2002
Subject: Card Size
In-Reply-To: <200204261601.MAA31231@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <B8F06946.AD21%wmb@internettrainer.com>

am 26.04.2002 18:01 Uhr schrieb use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com
unter use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com:

> The other day I needed to install some software on my Mac and it
> conflicted with something. When I started up without extensions, the
> monitor came up in default 800x600 resolution, and I couldn't hit the
> OK button on the installer because it was not on my screen.
> 
> In other words: my vote is for 800x600.

Me too. But thinking on the other Os?s wich have the menue in the window, I
have reduced the size a bit to: 744*552

regards
Wolfgang M. Bereuter

Learn easy with trainingsmaps?

INTERNETTRAINER Wolfgang M. Bereuter
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From lists at retiariusenterprises.com  Sat Apr 27 09:39:00 2002
From: lists at retiariusenterprises.com (Dave)
Date: Sat Apr 27 09:39:00 2002
Subject: DNS Lookup?
Message-ID: <B8F012F8.8DC%lists@retiariusenterprises.com>

Is there any way to do a DNS lookup inside Rev?

Just wondering out loud.


-- 
Dave
Retiarius Enterprises



From lists at retiariusenterprises.com  Sat Apr 27 10:19:01 2002
From: lists at retiariusenterprises.com (Dave)
Date: Sat Apr 27 10:19:01 2002
Subject: Creating a Font menu
In-Reply-To: <C3EEA153-5810-11D6-9D93-003065B78238@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B8F01C87.8E0%lists@retiariusenterprises.com>

Thanks Mark.
    This is exactly what I was looking for.

Now, how do you wire those menu items to actually do something?  Do you have
to dynamically create a huge script for that menu?

I haven't been able to find a property that gets returned when you select a
particular font.  Surely there there's such a thing in Rev.

Is there any kind of function that will determine what menu item you are
coming from?  Let's say I have a text menu that displays font, size and
style.  If I select a particular font in the font menu can I determine I'm
coming from the font menu are not some other?  If so, I could trap for that
menu item and create a much smaller routine to handle just fonts.

Any advice out there would be greatly appreciated.


Thanks!


-- 
Dave
Retiarius Enterprises




> Dave,
> 
> This is the script I use for fonts in a menubar:
> You will have to adjust the stack and group names to your needs though.



From dsc at swcp.com  Sat Apr 27 11:12:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sat Apr 27 11:12:01 2002
Subject: DNS Lookup?
In-Reply-To: <B8F012F8.8DC%lists@retiariusenterprises.com>
Message-ID: <EFD4F621-59F8-11D6-A5E7-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Saturday, April 27, 2002, at 08:34 AM, Dave wrote:

> Is there any way to do a DNS lookup inside Rev?

I believe hostNameToAddress() will do what you want.

Dar Scott




From diskot123 at juno.com  Sat Apr 27 13:58:01 2002
From: diskot123 at juno.com (diskot123 at juno.com)
Date: Sat Apr 27 13:58:01 2002
Subject: MySQL localhost
Message-ID: <20020427.145346.908.1.diskot123@juno.com>

>Reading through the online help I understand is necesary to install a 
>MySQL library access. Is that true even for OS X?
Revolution 1.1.1 is distributed with the MySQL drivers for Mac, and OSX,
so you may want to try downloading the latest version of 1.1.1.

Tuviah Snyder ~ tuviah at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/



From brasmussen at earthlink.net  Sat Apr 27 14:11:01 2002
From: brasmussen at earthlink.net (Bob Rasmussen)
Date: Sat Apr 27 14:11:01 2002
Subject: setting htmltext makes field appear disabled
References: <md5:6488379FA51EA28A08B5117347B87F32>
Message-ID: <3CCAF6BF.14067706@earthlink.net>

Martin,

Same here.  It didn't do this on previous versions (at least not on MacOS 9).

I've confirmed that the field isn't truly disabled, based on the settings of the field properties. It just looks as though it is.

My work around has been to do something like the following:

  set the htmlText of theField to myHTML
  set the enabled of theField to the enabled of theField

The second line is a no-op, leaving the field disabled if it truly is. If the field is enabled though, it restores the appearance to enabled.

Bob


> I just set the htmltext of a standard scrolling field for the first time
> since I upgraded to the latest v111. When I do so the field takes the
> appearance of a disabled field. The backcolor becomes light grey and black
> text becomes a dark grey.
> As soon as I click in the field to edit, and give it focus, the field
> resumes the normal appearance of an editable field, ie the backcolor turns
> white and the black text becomes black again.
> I'm using release 1.1.1 on macOS
>
> I can work around this but:
>
> does this happen to other people?
>
> rev didn't do this in previous versions did it - or am I misremembering?
>
> martin baxter
>
> m a r t i n
>
> martin baxter Cambridge UK



From shaosean at unitz.ca  Sat Apr 27 14:39:01 2002
From: shaosean at unitz.ca (Shao Sean)
Date: Sat Apr 27 14:39:01 2002
Subject: DNS Lookup?
References: <B8F012F8.8DC%lists@retiariusenterprises.com>
Message-ID: <001501c1ee22$31b419f0$88b15bd1@lanfear>

set the transcript dictionary to "filter" and type in "host".. there should
be four items returned, each doing something slightly different



From brasmussen at earthlink.net  Sat Apr 27 14:40:01 2002
From: brasmussen at earthlink.net (Bob Rasmussen)
Date: Sat Apr 27 14:40:01 2002
Subject: SIOUX and Revolution.out
Message-ID: <3CCAFD9F.BF7D7C97@earthlink.net>

I have a program that accesses a database via ODBC on MacOS 9.1.  The program
works without problems under Revolution 1.1.1B1.  However, under new version of
Revolution that was recently released (1.1.1), I am having a problem.

Whenever the program calls revdb_disconnect, a window appears with the title
"Revolution.out" and containing the words "disconnecting connection ??" where ??
is the most recent connection number.

In addition, three new menu items appear.  These are duplicate Apple, File, and
Edit menus with "About SIOUX" at the top of the Apple menu.  I am familiar with
Metrowerk?s SIOUX library (SIOUX = Standard Input Output UniX, pronounced
?sue?), but am surprised to see it here, unbidden.

I have found no way to suppress the appearance of SIOUX, nor have I found any
way to get rid of it, once it appears.

Since I'm not hearing of other complaints on this matter, I suspect I have a
configuration problem.  Any suggestions?

RR

p.s.  As a side note, the documentation of revdb_connect still has an erroneous
description

    The example is missing an argument.

    The description is not correct for ODBC connections, which
    require a data source name rather than a host name.




From dsc at swcp.com  Sat Apr 27 15:18:00 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sat Apr 27 15:18:00 2002
Subject: kill on Windows
Message-ID: <54A7BA84-5A1B-11D6-A5E7-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Windows 2000, sometimes a process does not quit upon close 
process.  I may need to kill it.

Is the signal number or signal name in the Revolution kill command 
completely ignored on Windows?

I'm hoping for something between the close process and a hard kill 
as far as severity.

Dar Scott



From gsaylor at net-virtual.com  Sat Apr 27 16:09:01 2002
From: gsaylor at net-virtual.com (Greg Saylor)
Date: Sat Apr 27 16:09:01 2002
Subject: For Tuviah
In-Reply-To: <200204271603.MAA13009@www.runrev.com>
References: <200204271603.MAA13009@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20020427210540.7292@mail.earthlink.net>

Tuviah,

I have sent you a couple of emails off-list, but I have not got anything
back from you yet.. I don't want to be a pain, I'm just wondering if I
sent them to the correct address?... tuviah at runrev.com is the address I
used....

Please let me know if you have recieved them so I can stop worrying.. ;-)

- Greg



From dsc at swcp.com  Sat Apr 27 16:25:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sat Apr 27 16:25:01 2002
Subject: TCP/IP External for Windows 2000
Message-ID: <A03123AA-5A24-11D6-A5E7-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

I know there is a TCP/IP suite within Revolution, but I'm looking 
for a different feature set.  Anybody know of an external (or 
several) with TCP/IP capability?

Or a generic glue layer I can access through "open driver"?

Other ideas?

Dar Scott



From shaosean at unitz.ca  Sat Apr 27 16:50:01 2002
From: shaosean at unitz.ca (Shao Sean)
Date: Sat Apr 27 16:50:01 2002
Subject: TCP/IP External for Windows 2000
References: <A03123AA-5A24-11D6-A5E7-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>
Message-ID: <004401c1ee34$80fb56b0$88b15bd1@lanfear>

> for a different feature set.
mm.. considering you can write any feature that you require using either the
TCP or UDP protocols, i'm personally confused by what you mean..




From jeanne at runrev.com  Sat Apr 27 20:28:01 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Sat Apr 27 20:28:01 2002
Subject: DNS Lookup?
In-Reply-To: <B8F012F8.8DC%lists@retiariusenterprises.com>
Message-ID: <v03130343b8f0af9ad889@[216.99.192.154]>

At 7:34 AM -0700 4/27/2002, Dave wrote:
>Is there any way to do a DNS lookup inside Rev?

Check out the hostNameToAddress function.

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From jeanne at runrev.com  Sat Apr 27 20:28:26 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Sat Apr 27 20:28:26 2002
Subject: Creating a Font menu
In-Reply-To: <B8F01C87.8E0%lists@retiariusenterprises.com>
References: <C3EEA153-5810-11D6-9D93-003065B78238@mac.com>
Message-ID: <v03130344b8f0afafdd92@[216.99.192.154]>

At 8:14 AM -0700 4/27/2002, Dave wrote:
>Now, how do you wire those menu items to actually do something?  Do you have
>to dynamically create a huge script for that menu?

Here's one example (this is for a simple Font menu):

  on menuPick theMenuItem
    -- the menuPick message is sent to the menu button
    -- when the user chooses a menu item
    set the textFont of the selectedChunk to theMenuItem
  end menuPick

>Is there any kind of function that will determine what menu item you are
>coming from?  Let's say I have a text menu that displays font, size and
>style.  If I select a particular font in the font menu can I determine I'm
>coming from the font menu are not some other?  If so, I could trap for that
>menu item and create a much smaller routine to handle just fonts.

If you're working with submenus, the levels of items are separated with a
vertical bar |. For example, if your menu has a "Font" submenu from which
you choose "Times", the parameter to the menuPick messsage is "Font|Times".

Here's a code example:

  on menuPick theMenuItem
    set the itemDelimiter to "|" - so we can easily separate the parts
    switch item 1 of theMenuItem
    case "Font"
       set the textFont of the selectedChunk to item 2 of theMenuItem
       break
    end switch
  end menuPick

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From jeanne at runrev.com  Sat Apr 27 20:29:00 2002
From: jeanne at runrev.com (Jeanne A. E. DeVoto)
Date: Sat Apr 27 20:29:00 2002
Subject: SIOUX and Revolution.out
In-Reply-To: <3CCAFD9F.BF7D7C97@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <v03130345b8f0b3d9d80a@[216.99.192.154]>

At 12:36 PM -0700 4/27/2002, Bob Rasmussen wrote:
>p.s.  As a side note, the documentation of revdb_connect still has an
>erroneous
>description
>
>    The example is missing an argument.

Which example? I just took a look, and they all seem to have the right
number of arguments.

>    The description is not correct for ODBC connections, which
>    require a data source name rather than a host name.

Is this incorrect?
"To use a DSN to identify an ODBC database, use the DSN as the host, and
leave the databaseName parameter empty."

--
Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/




From JacksHyperInfo at aol.com  Sat Apr 27 21:08:01 2002
From: JacksHyperInfo at aol.com (JacksHyperInfo at aol.com)
Date: Sat Apr 27 21:08:01 2002
Subject: error 15 
Message-ID: <f2.1ac1ac2d.29fcb2c3@aol.com>

When I open a standalone built on mac osx for mac 68k I get a error 15 and it 
won't open!  What's my problem?

Jack
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From kray at sonsothunder.com  Sat Apr 27 22:20:01 2002
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Sat Apr 27 22:20:01 2002
Subject: For Tuviah
References: <200204271603.MAA13009@www.runrev.com> <20020427210540.7292@mail.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <009701c1ee62$afecec30$310e48a6@mckinley.dom>

Greg,

Use diskot123 at juno.com... that's how I've gotten a hold of Tuviah in the
past (in fact, he posts using this email address).

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Saylor" <gsaylor at net-virtual.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 27, 2002 4:05 PM
Subject: For Tuviah


> Tuviah,
>
> I have sent you a couple of emails off-list, but I have not got anything
> back from you yet.. I don't want to be a pain, I'm just wondering if I
> sent them to the correct address?... tuviah at runrev.com is the address I
> used....
>
> Please let me know if you have recieved them so I can stop worrying.. ;-)
>
> - Greg
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From themacguy at mac.com  Sun Apr 28 02:05:01 2002
From: themacguy at mac.com (Barry Levine)
Date: Sun Apr 28 02:05:01 2002
Subject: DB creation (Vapp)
Message-ID: <D0400F74-5A75-11D6-B8C4-000502E12568@mac.com>

Thanks again to the listas. The Valentina app seems to be exactly what I 
need. There's even an AppleScript that allegedly creates the DB 
automatically when given the correct parameters.

You guys and gals are great! I get faster support from y'all than when I 
worked for Apple and needed support from them!

Regards,
Barry



From diskot123 at juno.com  Sun Apr 28 12:21:01 2002
From: diskot123 at juno.com (diskot123 at juno.com)
Date: Sun Apr 28 12:21:01 2002
Subject: For Tuviah
Message-ID: <20020428.131649.392.1.diskot123@juno.com>

>Use diskot123 at juno.com... that's how I've gotten a hold of Tuviah in the
>past (in fact, he posts using this email address).
Got the message greg (both of them)! Been having some temporary problems
sending mail using the RunRev address.


Tuviah Snyder ~ tuviah at runrev.com
Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
http://www.runrev.com/


From niklas_almesjo at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 28 14:07:01 2002
From: niklas_almesjo at yahoo.com (Niklas Almesjö)
Date: Sun Apr 28 14:07:01 2002
Subject: creating an installer?
In-Reply-To: <200204281603.MAA30784@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20020428190416.28276.qmail@web12304.mail.yahoo.com>

Has anyone created an installer using Rev? It shouldn't be that difficult,
right? Just add a couple of aliases to the start-menu and the desktop and
copy the folder to the right place..? But I've found that I would need
specialfolderpath("programs") to find the location of the programs-folder.
Is that possible to add to Rev?
Or is it smarter to use another app like Wise or Installshield for this?
Anyone know of a free installler-app?
thanks,
/Niklas Almesj?

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness
http://health.yahoo.com


From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sun Apr 28 14:26:01 2002
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com)
Date: Sun Apr 28 14:26:01 2002
Subject: creating an installer?
Message-ID: <p05100308b8f1fc300c10@[192.168.1.102]>

If it's a Mac installer you need, the Stuffit Installermaker is one 
of the best I've seen.
http://www.stuffit.com/installermaker/index.html   free demo

4D makes one:  (free demo)
http://www.4D.com/4DLINK/4DACTION/WEB_GetForm/4dinstallmakerdemo.shtml/init

many others listed at tracker.com:
http://www.versiontracker.com/mp/new_search.m?productDB=mac&mode=Quick&OS_Filter=MacOS&search=Installer


>Has anyone created an installer using Rev? It shouldn't be that difficult,
>right? Just add a couple of aliases to the start-menu and the desktop and
>copy the folder to the right place..? But I've found that I would need
>specialfolderpath("programs") to find the location of the programs-folder.
>Is that possible to add to Rev?
>Or is it smarter to use another app like Wise or Installshield for this?
>Anyone know of a free installler-app?
>thanks,
>/Niklas Almesj?
>
>__________________________________________________
>Do You Yahoo!?
>Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness
>http://health.yahoo.com
>_______________________________________________
>use-revolution mailing list
>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution


From derekbronston at earthlink.net  Sun Apr 28 15:09:01 2002
From: derekbronston at earthlink.net (derekbronston)
Date: Sun Apr 28 15:09:01 2002
Subject: sending data to a cgi?
Message-ID: <a0511170db8f231a7cd92@[4.3.92.147]>

Not quite sure why I can't get this to work:

I'm trying to send data from a text field to a cgi on a remote server.

essentially it is this


http://www.url/app.php?list=string one

any one have any suggestions , thanks


derek


From dsc at swcp.com  Sun Apr 28 15:44:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sun Apr 28 15:44:01 2002
Subject: sending data to a cgi?
In-Reply-To: <a0511170db8f231a7cd92@[4.3.92.147]>
Message-ID: <0931CB9A-5AE8-11D6-A352-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Sunday, April 28, 2002, at 05:09 PM, derekbronston wrote:

> http://www.url/app.php?list=string one

http://www.url/app.php?list=string%20one
http://www.url/app.php?list=string+one

If one of those fixes it, look at the URLEncode() function.

Dar Scott



From martin at atwork.bdx.co.uk  Sun Apr 28 17:13:01 2002
From: martin at atwork.bdx.co.uk (Martin Baxter)
Date: Sun Apr 28 17:13:01 2002
Subject: setting htmltext makes field appear disabled
In-Reply-To: <200204281604.MAA30810@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <l03130300b8f221905a67@[195.92.6.17]>

Bob,

That's a better workaround than mine. Actually I suspect that pretty much
any action would probably restore the appearance, but this particular
'no-action, action' has a certain 'poetic justness' about it.

martin

>I've confirmed that the field isn't truly disabled, based on the settings
>of the field properties. It just looks as though it is.
>
>My work around has been to do something like the following:
>
>  set the htmlText of theField to myHTML
>  set the enabled of theField to the enabled of theField
>
>The second line is a no-op, leaving the field disabled if it truly is. If
>the field is enabled though, it restores the appearance to enabled.
>
>Bob
>
>
>> I just set the htmltext of a standard scrolling field for the first time
>> since I upgraded to the latest v111. When I do so the field takes the
>> appearance of a disabled field. The backcolor becomes light grey and black
>> text becomes a dark grey.
>> As soon as I click in the field to edit, and give it focus, the field
>> resumes the normal appearance of an editable field, ie the backcolor turns
>> white and the black text becomes black again.
>> I'm using release 1.1.1 on macOS
>>
>>martin baxter




From michaell at unimelb.edu.au  Sun Apr 28 20:06:01 2002
From: michaell at unimelb.edu.au (Michael J. Lew)
Date: Sun Apr 28 20:06:01 2002
Subject: Open driver?
Message-ID: <p05001909b8f24a42eb2c@[128.250.229.137]>

Has anyone had any success with the "open driver" command on a Mac 
(OS 9.2)? I want to read data from the USB port and it certainly 
looks like the open driver command is what I want. However,  what are 
the drivers? Where are they? The docs make it sound like I can just 
call them by name (i.e. no mucking about with paths) but none of the 
files in my Extensions folder will open, even those that have 
"driver" in their names. Any file I name in the open driver command 
returns the "Can't open that file" message.

Specifically I would like to read data from my Griffin iMic USB 
adaptor. It doesn't come with any drivers, but uses the built in 
Audio Manager and the "Sound" control panel. I assume that the Audio 
manager is a driver and that I should be able to read from it with 
the driver commands. That doesn't seem to be the case.

I have fiddled a bit with OS X because the docs say that "On OS X and 
Unix systems, you can obtain a list of available devices by reading 
the file "/dev/tty"." but I can't find such a file, or even a "dev/" 
directory. Any additional info would be helpful because I feel a bit 
lost.

-- 
Michael J. Lew

Senior Lecturer
Department of Pharmacology
The University of Melbourne
Parkville 3010
Victoria
Australia

Phone +613 8344 8304

**
New email address: michaell at unimelb.edu.au
**


From dsc at swcp.com  Sun Apr 28 20:31:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Sun Apr 28 20:31:01 2002
Subject: Open driver?
In-Reply-To: <p05001909b8f24a42eb2c@[128.250.229.137]>
Message-ID: <2BFBA82B-5B10-11D6-B175-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Sunday, April 28, 2002, at 07:02 PM, Michael J. Lew wrote:

> Specifically I would like to read data from my Griffin iMic USB 
> adaptor.

You don't want to open the USB driver.  (Well, somebody might want 
to, but that is unlikely.)  That is a lower level driver.  
Normally, you would open a higher level driver that does what you 
want.

However, in this case, you probably just want the Revolution record 
command.

Dar Scott



From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Sun Apr 28 21:51:01 2002
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah)
Date: Sun Apr 28 21:51:01 2002
Subject: Focus color
In-Reply-To: <p05101574b8e9c4fe5a49@[192.168.0.100]>
Message-ID: <68132D94-5B1B-11D6-AE9A-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

>>  How do I set the focus color for a field?
>>
>>  I have tried going to the color palette for both the stack & the field
>>  but no change to focus color seems to have any affect. Although the
>>  default focus color is show as black, I always get a mid-range grey no
>>  matter what I do. I have traversalOn set as instructed in the docs.
>
> What aspect of the field are you actually trying to change?  Have you 
> tried
> the hiliteColor?
I'm trying to change the thick border that appears around the field if 
you have "Show Focus Border" turned on. I have tried changing 
focusColor, hiliteColor and all the other colors as well, but I never 
get anything other than grey for that particular part of the field.

I'm running OS X 10.1.4 and I always have the system hilite color set to 
yellow.

>
>>  Also, under Mac OS X, the accentColor is not set to the system's 
>> accent
>>  color. I think this worked under OS 9 but not OS X.
>
> Thanks for the report - please send bugs to support at runrev.com (or if 
> you
> are a pro user to the improve-revolution list) rather than this list.
Sorry, the email started off as a "use" and then changed in the middle.

Sarah




From derekbronston at mail.earthlink.net  Sun Apr 28 21:53:01 2002
From: derekbronston at mail.earthlink.net (derek bronston)
Date: Sun Apr 28 21:53:01 2002
Subject: MySQL localhost have you figured this out?
In-Reply-To: <20020427.145346.908.1.diskot123@juno.com>
References: <20020427.145346.908.1.diskot123@juno.com>
Message-ID: <a05111701b8f28ffe8915@[4.62.120.220]>

I'm actually just trying to figure out the connectiveity issues with 
OSX and revoultion have you gotten this working??


derek



>  >Reading through the online help I understand is necesary to install a
>>MySQL library access. Is that true even for OS X?
>Revolution 1.1.1 is distributed with the MySQL drivers for Mac, and OSX,
>so you may want to try downloading the latest version of 1.1.1.
>
>Tuviah Snyder ~ tuviah at runrev.com
>Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
>http://www.runrev.com/
>
>_______________________________________________
>use-revolution mailing list
>use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Sun Apr 28 21:53:12 2002
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah)
Date: Sun Apr 28 21:53:12 2002
Subject: Database functionality and tab stops in fields
In-Reply-To: <p05101573b8ee97b2f203@[192.168.0.100]>
Message-ID: <A407750E-5B1B-11D6-AE9A-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

On Friday, April 26, 2002, at 03:35  pm, Barry Levine wrote:

> Sarah Reichelt was kind enough to detail a method of creating reports 
> using the tab stops feature.
Thank you.

> It would be great if there was a way to specify -each- tab stop (like 
> "30,100,150,100,150" meaning "30 pixels -or characters- from the left, 
> then 100 more to the next tab stop, then 150 more to the next..., etc.)
There is a way:
	set the tabStops of fld "My List" to "30,100,150,100,150"
Turn the vertical grid on and you will see it happening.
Setting tabStops in the properties palette is also possible but the 
field is very short - just keep typing and it will work OK.

Sarah




From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Sun Apr 28 21:57:01 2002
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah)
Date: Sun Apr 28 21:57:01 2002
Subject: tab order
In-Reply-To: <p051015a3b8ef275d9e17@[192.168.0.100]>
Message-ID: <379B89CA-5B1C-11D6-AE9A-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

> I have created a lot of grps with fields. I would like to set a new tab
> order within the grp that supercedes the creation order of the 
> fields.  I
> can't seem to figure out how to do this. A feature much like the one
> implemented in FileMaker Pro would be very useful here.
>
> Any help will be much appreciated.
>
You can set the tab order by changing the layer of an object. Do this in 
the Properties palette by typing in a new layer number or clicking the 
back & forth arrows, or in various other places. The snag is that if 
your objects are in groups, there is a global setting that forbids 
relayering by default.

In the Message box, click on Global Properties (3rd button), type "rel" 
into the filter box and you will see "relayerGroupedControls". This is 
always set to true, but click on false and you will be able to do what 
you like.

Sarah




From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Sun Apr 28 22:30:01 2002
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah)
Date: Sun Apr 28 22:30:01 2002
Subject: Open driver?
In-Reply-To: <p05111713b8f24d047144@[192.168.0.100]>
Message-ID: <FECAE297-5B20-11D6-AE9A-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

> I have fiddled a bit with OS X because the docs say that "On OS X and 
> Unix systems, you can obtain a list of available devices by reading the 
> file "/dev/tty"." but I can't find such a file, or even a "dev/" 
> directory. Any additional info would be helpful because I feel a bit 
> lost.
>
This I can help with: you're going to have to use Terminal as dev is one 
of those hidden directories where Unix keeps it's secret system stuff.

Open Terminal and type "cd /dev", press Return or Enter.
Now type "tty" & press return/Enter.
In my case, I only have one entry which is "/dev/ttyp1" - I presume this 
is the internal modem.

However, this information doesn't help much as there seems to be no 
valid way to open this port. Every attempt returns "Can't open that 
file." which is supposed to be the error message if the driver doesn't 
exist. I have tried "open driver" & "open file".

My interest is in serial communications to various scientific 
instruments. I have done this on Mac OS 9.x with the commands for the 
"modem:" & "printer:" keywords, but not on OS X. If anyone has managed 
to open any port using OS X, I'd really like to hear about it.

Sarah




From jburtt at earthlink.net  Sun Apr 28 22:39:01 2002
From: jburtt at earthlink.net (John)
Date: Sun Apr 28 22:39:01 2002
Subject: Backdrops...
In-Reply-To: <200204271603.MAA12972@www.runrev.com>
References: <200204271603.MAA12972@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <a05010401b8f264b544de@[209.179.45.17]>

Testing a newly built standalone, I discovered that I've over-looked 
a problem with backdrops. In Windows, the backdrop covers all, 
including the task bar. If the stack is closed using the stack 
window's close button, the stack closes but the backdrop remains, 
leaving the user with a blank screen. This is also the case if the 
stack is minimized. On a Mac, it is the same, but at least the 
menubar is still visible. Obviously, I need to check out the iconify 
messages (or suspendStack?) and set the backdrop to none when this 
occurs. Is there a message sent that will cover all instances of a 
stack closing? I can't use the closeStack message because I have 
several stacks opening and closing in the same window. I am not very 
familiar with the Windows operating system and am wondering if their 
are other ways a user can close the stack that I should be aware of.

I'm also interested in what startUp and shutDown handlers others have 
found to be somewhat standard in most all the stacks they build. 
StartUp handlers I include in most instances are stack properties 
such as effectRate, decorations, visibility, location, ect. Common 
closeStack handlers I usually include are saving, (and now setting 
the backdrop to none), ect. Any other suggestions?

Thanks for listening,  John






From drvaughan55 at mac.com  Sun Apr 28 23:18:00 2002
From: drvaughan55 at mac.com (David Vaughan)
Date: Sun Apr 28 23:18:00 2002
Subject: Open driver?
In-Reply-To: <FECAE297-5B20-11D6-AE9A-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>
Message-ID: <9C390AA2-5B27-11D6-813C-000393598038@mac.com>

On Monday, April 29, 2002, at 01:27 , Sarah wrote:

>>
snip
>
> My interest is in serial communications to various scientific 
> instruments. I have done this on Mac OS 9.x with the commands for the 
> "modem:" & "printer:" keywords, but not on OS X. If anyone has managed 
> to open any port using OS X, I'd really like to hear about it.

Sarah

I raised this (serial access through USB drivers) several months ago and 
was promised access to the USB in Revolution, and am waiting 
patiently... I understand we may be waiting on Apple as much as on RR.

I can run HyperCard in the Classic environment under OS X and 
communicate through the USB using a suite of XCMDs, but nothing directly 
in OS X yet.

regards
David
>
> Sarah
>
>
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From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Sun Apr 28 23:33:01 2002
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Sun Apr 28 23:33:01 2002
Subject: Open driver?
Message-ID: <p05100304b8f27c5b2903@[192.168.1.102]>

Did you say you could run Hypercard in Classic? I thought it wouldn't 
run at all because it wasn't carbonized!

>
>I can run HyperCard in the Classic environment under OS X and 
>communicate through the USB using a suite of XCMDs, but nothing 
>directly in OS X yet.
>
>regards
>David


From drvaughan55 at mac.com  Sun Apr 28 23:43:01 2002
From: drvaughan55 at mac.com (David Vaughan)
Date: Sun Apr 28 23:43:01 2002
Subject: Open driver?
In-Reply-To: <p05100304b8f27c5b2903@[192.168.1.102]>
Message-ID: <10B57310-5B2B-11D6-813C-000393598038@mac.com>

On Monday, April 29, 2002, at 02:29 , Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Did you say you could run Hypercard in Classic? I thought it wouldn't 
> run at all because it wasn't carbonized!

Stephen

On receiving your e-mail in mail.app under OS X, I clicked on HyperCard 
in the dock, selected a serial-communicating stack and grabbed this 
picture which I have changed to a low-quality JPEG and zipped up to keep 
the e-mail size down. No problem running HyperCard as far as I can see.
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cheers
David
>
>>
>> I can run HyperCard in the Classic environment under OS X and 
>> communicate through the USB using a suite of XCMDs, but nothing 
>> directly in OS X yet.
>>
>> regards
>> David
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From drvaughan55 at mac.com  Sun Apr 28 23:50:01 2002
From: drvaughan55 at mac.com (David Vaughan)
Date: Sun Apr 28 23:50:01 2002
Subject: Open driver?
In-Reply-To: <p05100304b8f27c5b2903@[192.168.1.102]>
Message-ID: <2C3DA7D3-5B2C-11D6-813C-000393598038@mac.com>

Stephen

Further to my last response, my understanding consistent with my 
experience is that an app does not need to be carbonised to run under 
Classic. Carbonisation allows them to run either under OS X or 9.x as 
you please, but does not present the interface features or additional OS 
functions of a Cocoa app. Cocoa is OS X only. Some other apps I commonly 
use include Nisus, ithink, Data Desk and Analytica. As far as I know, 
none of these is carbonised. In fact, I can even run Resolve which was 
last updated in 1992. I very much doubt that Claris (or Informix who 
even earlier built the WingZ engine on which it was based) were thinking 
about Carbon then.

You may receive a more comprehensive and precise definition from a 
developer on the list.

regards
David

On Monday, April 29, 2002, at 02:29 , Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Did you say you could run Hypercard in Classic? I thought it wouldn't 
> run at all because it wasn't carbonized!
>
>>
>> I can run HyperCard in the Classic environment under OS X and 
>> communicate through the USB using a suite of XCMDs, but nothing 
>> directly in OS X yet.
>>
>> regards
>> David
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From sarahr at genesearch.com.au  Sun Apr 28 23:52:01 2002
From: sarahr at genesearch.com.au (Sarah)
Date: Sun Apr 28 23:52:01 2002
Subject: Open driver?
In-Reply-To: <p0511173eb8f27d48c150@[192.168.0.100]>
Message-ID: <50509F3F-5B2C-11D6-AE9A-0003937A97B8@genesearch.com.au>

Classic will run nearly all old apps - they don't have to be carbonized. 
If you want to run an app in OS X itself, taking advantage of the better 
memory management & multi-tasking, the app needs to be either carbonized 
or written natively in Cocoa or Java.

Sarah


On Monday, April 29, 2002, at 02:32  pm, Stephen Barncard wrote:

> Did you say you could run Hypercard in Classic? I thought it wouldn't 
> run at all because it wasn't carbonized!
>
>>
>> I can run HyperCard in the Classic environment under OS X and 
>> communicate through the USB using a suite of XCMDs, but nothing 
>> directly in OS X yet.
>>
>> regards
>> David
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>




From michaell at unimelb.edu.au  Mon Apr 29 00:50:00 2002
From: michaell at unimelb.edu.au (Michael J. Lew)
Date: Mon Apr 29 00:50:00 2002
Subject: Open driver?
Message-ID: <p05001900b8f28d1a5b13@[128.250.229.137]>

At 11:45 PM -0400 28/4/02, use-revolution-request at lists.runrev.com wrote:
>  > Specifically I would like to read data from my Griffin iMic USB
>>  adaptor.
>
>You don't want to open the USB driver.  (Well, somebody might want
>to, but that is unlikely.)  That is a lower level driver. 
>Normally, you would open a higher level driver that does what you
>want.
>
>However, in this case, you probably just want the Revolution record
>command.
>
>Dar Scott

Actually, I would like to use the iMic as a analog to digital 
converter. I need to read the data values rather than record the 
audio.

 From the sound of the other replies to my question, it sounds like 
this is not going to be possible.

So what is the "open driver" command for? What would be an example of 
a driver that it can open?




-- 
Michael J. Lew

Senior Lecturer
Department of Pharmacology
The University of Melbourne
Parkville 3010
Victoria
Australia

Phone +613 8344 8304

**
New email address: michaell at unimelb.edu.au
**


From fuegox at mac.com  Mon Apr 29 01:20:01 2002
From: fuegox at mac.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Mon Apr 29 01:20:01 2002
Subject: Creating a Font menu
In-Reply-To: <200204271603.MAA13009@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <A6FCCBBC-5B38-11D6-B202-003065B78238@mac.com>

> Thanks Mark.
>     This is exactly what I was looking for.
>
> Now, how do you wire those menu items to actually do something?  Do you 
> have
> to dynamically create a huge script for that menu?
>
> I haven't been able to find a property that gets returned when you 
> select a
> particular font.  Surely there there's such a thing in Rev.
>
> Is there any kind of function that will determine what menu item you are
> coming from?  Let's say I have a text menu that displays font, size and
> style.  If I select a particular font in the font menu can I determine 
> I'm
> coming from the font menu are not some other?  If so, I could trap for 
> that
> menu item and create a much smaller routine to handle just fonts.
>
> Any advice out there would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> --
> Dave
> Retiarius Enterprises

Dave,

Here is a script that goes in the menubar button.  You will need to 
modify it a bit for your needs.  But, it should give you an idea where 
to go.



on MenuPick which
   global tstackname, numprobs, tcompareFont
   set the itemDel to "|"
   put item 2 of which into newatt

   --FIGURE OUT WHERE SIZE ENDS AND FONTS BEGIN
   --AND FIGURE OUT WHERE TO PUT THE CHECK MARKS
   --FOR BOTH SIZE AND FONT
   put the num of lines of button "text" into tLines
   repeat with y = 1 to tLines
     if line y of button "text" is "Fonts" then put y into tFontLine
     put line y of button "text" into tcompareFont
     if tcompareFont = newatt then put y into tcheckLine --check font 
sizes
     if y >= tFontLine then
       --check fonts
       set the itemdel to tab
       put item 2 of tcompareFont into tcompareFont
       if tcompareFont = newatt then put y into tcheckLine
     end if
   end repeat

   set the itemDel to "|"
   switch item 1 of which

   case "Size"
     --CLEAR CHECK MARKS
     repeat with y = 1 to (tFontLine-1)
       if char 1 of line y of button "text" is "!" then delete char 1 to 
2 of line y of button "text"
     end repeat

     put "!c" before line tcheckLine of button "text"--checks this line

     lock screen
     put the number of groups of stack tstackname into ngroups
     repeat with i = 2 to ngroups

       put the number of fields of group i of stack tstackname into 
nfields
       repeat with x = 1 to nfields
         put the number of lines of field x of group i of stack 
tstackname into tlines

         repeat with y = 1 to tlines
           set the effective textSize of line y of field x of group i of 
stack tstackname to newatt
           set the effective textheight of field x of group i of stack 
tstackname to (newatt+4)
         end repeat
       end repeat
     end repeat

     --RESIZE ALL THE GROUPS FOR MAXIMUM EFFECIENCY OF SPACE
     send mouseup to button "resizer" of card "worksheet" of stack 
tstackname
     unlock screen


     --REDO PROBLEM NUMBERS IF NEEDED TO REALIGN THEM
     if numprobs = "yes" then
       nonumprobs
       numprobs
     end if
     break




   case "Fonts"
     --CLEAR CHECK MARKS
     repeat with y = tFontLine to tLines
       if char 1 of line y of button "text" is "!" then delete char 1 to 
2 of line y of button "text"
     end repeat

     put "!c" before line tcheckLine of button "text"--checks this line

     lock screen

     put the number of groups of stack tstackname into ngroups
     repeat with i = 2 to ngroups
       put the number of lines of field 1 of group i of stack tstackname 
into tlines

       repeat with y = 1 to tlines
         set the effective textfont of line y of field 1 of group i of 
stack tstackname to newatt
       end repeat
     end repeat

     unlock screen
     break


   end switch
end MenuPick



From fuegox at mac.com  Mon Apr 29 01:26:00 2002
From: fuegox at mac.com (Mark Talluto)
Date: Mon Apr 29 01:26:00 2002
Subject: creating an installer? 
In-Reply-To: <200204290344.XAA09247@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <7873AF2E-5B39-11D6-B202-003065B78238@mac.com>

>
> Has anyone created an installer using Rev? It shouldn't be that 
> difficult,
> right? Just add a couple of aliases to the start-menu and the desktop 
> and
> copy the folder to the right place..? But I've found that I would need
> specialfolderpath("programs") to find the location of the 
> programs-folder.
> Is that possible to add to Rev?
> Or is it smarter to use another app like Wise or Installshield for this?
> Anyone know of a free installler-app?
> thanks,
> /Niklas Almesj?

For the PC you can use:  install maker from clickteam.com

It is free!

-Mark Talluto



From dsc at swcp.com  Mon Apr 29 01:44:01 2002
From: dsc at swcp.com (Dar Scott)
Date: Mon Apr 29 01:44:01 2002
Subject: Open driver?
In-Reply-To: <p05001900b8f28d1a5b13@[128.250.229.137]>
Message-ID: <E2686A0E-5B3B-11D6-B175-0050E4C0B205@swcp.com>

On Sunday, April 28, 2002, at 11:46 PM, Michael J. Lew wrote:

> Actually, I would like to use the iMic as a analog to digital 
> converter. I need to read the data values rather than record the 
> audio.

You could try writing out the file with the record command and then 
reading in the file.  Don't use any compression.  This will require 
reading up on QuickTime, I think.  (Or maybe you can figure out the 
format just by looking.)

Audio input normally does not have any 0 Hz (DC) response.  This is 
fine if you are looking at Morse code tones or maybe engine noise, 
but crumby if you are looking at power supply voltages or strain 
gauge amplifiers from scales.  In other words, normally audio only 
measures AC.  However, I don't know the particulars of iMic.

Dar Scott




From extensor at cybonix.com  Mon Apr 29 02:11:01 2002
From: extensor at cybonix.com (Extensor)
Date: Mon Apr 29 02:11:01 2002
Subject: creating an installer? 
References: <7873AF2E-5B39-11D6-B202-003065B78238@mac.com>
Message-ID: <005201c1ef4d$226f8a20$15383fd1@kooky>

Hey Mark, thanks for the info on install maker!
I'm currently distributing my games using self-extracting winzip.

Extensor

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Talluto" <fuegox at mac.com>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 28, 2002 11:22 PM
Subject: Re: creating an installer?


> >
> > Has anyone created an installer using Rev? It shouldn't be that
> > difficult,
> > right? Just add a couple of aliases to the start-menu and the desktop
> > and
> > copy the folder to the right place..? But I've found that I would need
> > specialfolderpath("programs") to find the location of the
> > programs-folder.
> > Is that possible to add to Rev?
> > Or is it smarter to use another app like Wise or Installshield for this?
> > Anyone know of a free installler-app?
> > thanks,
> > /Niklas Almesj?
>
> For the PC you can use:  install maker from clickteam.com
>
> It is free!
>
> -Mark Talluto
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution




From gsaylor at net-virtual.com  Mon Apr 29 02:49:01 2002
From: gsaylor at net-virtual.com (Greg Saylor)
Date: Mon Apr 29 02:49:01 2002
Subject: use-revolution digest, Vol 1 #366 - 10 msgs
In-Reply-To: <200204251605.MAA11433@www.runrev.com>
References: <200204251605.MAA11433@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20020429074528.18851@mail.earthlink.net>

Kevin,

After typing "http://www.runrev.com/revolution/engines11" into my browser
I see several engines there (thanks Kevin), but I still do not see the
OS-X engine...  

Can someone please categorically answer the following questions:

Is the "OS-X" engine the "Revolution" application itself?...  Every
attempt I've made to determine this has failed.
If not, where is it?..   Every attempt I've made to locate it has failed.
If so, can I use it as a general-purpose scripting tool like I can the
"darwin" engine?.... Every attempt I've made to do so has failed.
Why isn't Darwin one of the targets when you "build" a distribution?... 
Is RevDB supported under darwin, in particular the Valentina database? 
When I attempt to execute the following script, it aborts with a signal
10.  Commenting out the "revDB_Connect" allows the script to execute

#!/usr/local/Revolution/components/engines/Darwin
on startup
    put "test.vdb" into theDatabase
    write theDatabase & linefeed to stdout
    put revdb_connect("Valentina","",theDatabase,,,,,"") into gConnectionID
    write gConnectionID & linefeed to stdout
end startup

Switching the first line to:

#!/usr/local/Revolution/Revolution

Just gives me a whole bunch of garbage when I try to execute it...


I did a little bit of research since someone mention CFM and Mach-O at
one point and I think I now understand that it seems like Mach-O is
"darwin related executables/libraries" and CFM is "OS-X related
executables/libraries".... However, I have seen some examples of calling
one from the other so it seems like it is possible (?) -- anbd others
where it seems like it's not possible (?)...  Is there some technical
reason why the Valentina CFM library included with Revolution could not
be used from the Revolution Darwin engine?.....

(Tuviah, I know you said you would look into a couple of those when you
got the chance, I am not trying to pressure you just clarify my questions
and point out some additional information I happened across....)...



- Greg



From moeb at swissonline.ch  Mon Apr 29 03:04:01 2002
From: moeb at swissonline.ch (Marco Sch=?ISO-8859-1?B?9g==?=nenberger)
Date: Mon Apr 29 03:04:01 2002
Subject: setting htmltext makes field appear disabled
Message-ID: <B8EF8A81.10A9%moeb@swissonline.ch>


>I just set the htmltext of a standard scrolling field for the first time
>since I upgraded to the latest v111. When I do so the field takes the
>appearance of a disabled field. The backcolor becomes light grey and black
>text becomes a dark grey.
>As soon as I click in the field to edit, and give it focus, the field
>resumes the normal appearance of an editable field, ie the backcolor turns
>white and the black text becomes black again.
>I'm using release 1.1.1 on macOS

I've already reported this off-list together with another htmltext-bug. I
think the problem was introduced with 1.1.1b2 and happens on my Mac with OS
9.2.2 as well as on Windows NT.

My work-around:
After setting the htmltext I add the following lines:
put return after fld x
delete last char of fld x


Marco



From stephenIC at barncard.com  Mon Apr 29 03:04:14 2002
From: stephenIC at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Mon Apr 29 03:04:14 2002
Subject: creating an installer?
In-Reply-To: <20020428190416.28276.qmail@web12304.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20020428190416.28276.qmail@web12304.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p05100306b8f1f9d37e2a@[192.168.1.102]>

If it's a Mac installer you need, the Stuffit Installermaker is one 
of the best I've seen.
http://www.stuffit.com/installermaker/index.html   free demo

4D makes one:  (free demo)
http://www.4D.com/4DLINK/4DACTION/WEB_GetForm/4dinstallmakerdemo.shtml/init

many others listed at tracker.com:
http://www.versiontracker.com/mp/new_search.m?productDB=mac&mode=Quick&OS_Filter=MacOS&search=Installer


>Has anyone created an installer using Rev? It shouldn't be that difficult,
>right? Just add a couple of aliases to the start-menu and the desktop and
>copy the folder to the right place..? But I've found that I would need
>specialfolderpath("programs") to find the location of the programs-folder.
>Is that possible to add to Rev?
>Or is it smarter to use another app like Wise or Installshield for this?
>Anyone know of a free installler-app?
>thanks,
>/Niklas Almesj?
>
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From gsaylor at net-virtual.com  Mon Apr 29 03:49:01 2002
From: gsaylor at net-virtual.com (Greg Saylor)
Date: Mon Apr 29 03:49:01 2002
Subject: Interesting piece of a puzzle found... Not sure how to finish
 piecing it together though...
In-Reply-To: <200204290344.XAA09247@www.runrev.com>
References: <200204290344.XAA09247@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <20020429084529.7645@mail.earthlink.net>

Hello,

I recently discovered some interesting things about the OS-X/Darwin
versions of Revolution....  Here are my findings:

I am making the assumption that the "Revolution" executable in the case
of OS-X is the equivalent of what is in the "components/engines" folders
for other platforms here.. If that assumption is incorrect then
everything changes....  This is a re-iteration of some previous posts I
have made, but I solved on of the bigger problems so I thought I'd
present it again.. Sorry if it is overly redundant...


Problem:  The "Darwin" engine does not support VXCMD's or the revDB api
with the Valentina "mode".
Solution: Use the "OS-X" engine (what other choice is there? ;-) )
-----
Problem:  The "Revolution" executable cannot be started from the command
line, it yields a bunch of gibberish....
Solution: Use the "open" command, this creates a problem because the
application is launched in the background.
-----
Problem:  How to launch a CFM binary without it launching into the background.
Solution: Create a shell script, I called mine "/usr/local/bin/Launch". 
In this shell script put the following:

#!/bin/sh
/System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Support/LaunchCFMApp $@

After creating the file do a "chmod 755" on it (chmod 755 /usr/local/bin/
Launch)

To start Revolution this way, use "Launch /usr/local/Revolution/
Revolution" (or wherever it is stored).
-----
Problem:  Revolution engine keeps launching in GUI mode.
Solution: [ No solution yet -- do you have one? ]
-----
Problem:  Revolution engine will not execute a script like the following:

#!/usr/local/bin/Launch /usr/local/Revolution/Revolution

on startup 
    write "hello world" & linefeed to stdout
end startup

In other words....  The OS-X engine doesn't seem to know (or care) about
stdout or have a way of executing scripts from the command line.....

Solution:  The only one I can think of is to write an invisible stack
application which will take an argument of a file and "do" the lines of
that file.  Are there any better ones?...
-----
Problem:  Can't find a way to feed a command-line argument to the OS-X
Revolution engine.
Solution: [ No solution yet, any ideas? ]
-----
Problem:  When "do"ing a script containing a bunch of transcript
commands, will I be restricted by the license in a built executable?
Solution: [ No analysis yet, should be easy to figure out though -- but
does anyone know off the top of your head? ]
-----

The interesting thing is that it *almost* looks like I can piece
something together here, if I can only figure out a solution to the last
few problems.....  It's a different angle then I was looking at it from
before (the Darwin side), but this seems possibly more practical....

Any additional thoughts?...

Thanks, as always, for the great response on this list...

- Greg



From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Mon Apr 29 04:45:01 2002
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Mon Apr 29 04:45:01 2002
Subject: Open driver?
Message-ID: <p05100308b8f28808e759@[192.168.1.102]>

David and Sara,

Thanks very much for this! I was under a totally wrong assumption. I 
have several one-of-a-kind apps in Hypercard that were designed by me 
just for my own use - the interface is too complex, not much error 
checking, etc that I have HOURS of time in on, and in fact had been 
holding me back from moving over to OS X at all. these little apps 
would have taken ages for me to move to Revolution or Supercard. Now 
I can just use Revolution for my future development.

sqb

>Classic will run nearly all old apps - they don't have to be 
>carbonized. If you want to run an app in OS X itself, taking 
>advantage of the better memory management & multi-tasking, the app 
>needs to be either carbonized or written natively in Cocoa or Java.
>
>Sarah
>
>
>On Monday, April 29, 2002, at 02:32  pm, Stephen Barncard wrote:
>
>>Did you say you could run Hypercard in Classic? I thought it 
>>wouldn't run at all because it wasn't carbonized!
>>
>>>
>>>I can run HyperCard in the Classic environment under OS X and 
>>>communicate through the USB using a suite of XCMDs, but nothing 
>>>directly in OS X yet.
>>>
>>>regards
>>>David


From bernie at thehairshow.co.uk  Mon Apr 29 05:27:01 2002
From: bernie at thehairshow.co.uk (Bernie)
Date: Mon Apr 29 05:27:01 2002
Subject: Another new kid on the block
Message-ID: <003201c1ef66$8d003bf0$c600a8c0@dev>

Hi List

I got the Starter Kit about 4 days ago and have been through the tuts and
playing with it quite a bit since then. I'm impressed, frustrated, excited
and confused!

I come from a very strong Visual Basic background which I've been using as
my main language for about 4 years.

I'm impressed about the ease of developing cross platform apps in Rev.

I'm frustrated because it is tough to come from one tool where I can do most
of what I want with my eyes shut to now having to look up things like how to
declare a variable!

I'm excited because I got through the tutorials in a few hours and have
progressed into an app that I was building with VB and have found that it
may be possible to do it all in Rev which would expand the reach of my
application.

I'm confused by the plain English of Transcript! I'm used to writing    x =
blah     rather than   put blah into x

I want to know if there are any other Rev users who come from a VB
background and, if so, how can we work together to write some tutorials or
whatever slanted to VB developers. It would sure help me right now to see a
comparison chart of how things are done in VB and their Rev equivalents.

Regards,
Bernie
"Users don't care if I write in VB, C++ or Revolution. Its all Geek to them"





From bernie at thehairshow.co.uk  Mon Apr 29 05:27:31 2002
From: bernie at thehairshow.co.uk (Bernie)
Date: Mon Apr 29 05:27:31 2002
Subject: creating an installer?
Message-ID: <003e01c1ef66$ab3d79c0$c600a8c0@dev>

There is an excellent and free installer program for Windows called Inno
Setup. I've used it for about 2 years. Don't know the url but just do a
search for Inno Setup.

Bernie

"Users don't care if I write in VB, C++ or Revolution. Its all Geek to them"





From mike at cyber-ny.com  Mon Apr 29 06:51:01 2002
From: mike at cyber-ny.com (Mike Brown)
Date: Mon Apr 29 06:51:01 2002
Subject: creating an installer? 
In-Reply-To: <7873AF2E-5B39-11D6-B202-003065B78238@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B8F2AB1A.26E9%mike@cyber-ny.com>

For Windows installers you can also use Setup Generator available for free
at download.com.  It works really well.  I've been using it for the last
year without any problems.

Mike Brown
Cyber-NY Interactive
34 East 23rd Street
New York, NY 10010

Phone: 212-475-2721
Toll Free: 1-888-70-CYBER
Web: www.cyber-ny.com



on 4/29/02 2:22 AM, Mark Talluto at fuegox at mac.com wrote:

>> 
>> Has anyone created an installer using Rev? It shouldn't be that
>> difficult,
>> right? Just add a couple of aliases to the start-menu and the desktop
>> and
>> copy the folder to the right place..? But I've found that I would need
>> specialfolderpath("programs") to find the location of the
>> programs-folder.
>> Is that possible to add to Rev?
>> Or is it smarter to use another app like Wise or Installshield for this?
>> Anyone know of a free installler-app?
>> thanks,
>> /Niklas Almesj?
> 
> For the PC you can use:  install maker from clickteam.com
> 
> It is free!
> 
> -Mark Talluto
> 
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution




From rev at thehairshow.co.uk  Mon Apr 29 07:07:01 2002
From: rev at thehairshow.co.uk (Bernie)
Date: Mon Apr 29 07:07:01 2002
Subject: Why doesn't this work?
Message-ID: <000c01c1ef76$67cdbb40$c600a8c0@dev>


From rev at thehairshow.co.uk  Mon Apr 29 07:18:01 2002
From: rev at thehairshow.co.uk (Bernie)
Date: Mon Apr 29 07:18:01 2002
Subject: Why doesn't this work?
Message-ID: <000701c1ef77$d8b3e720$c600a8c0@dev>

As with so many questions I've asked on various lists I figured out the
answer within two minutes of posting the question!



From g.chirinos at cantv.net  Mon Apr 29 12:21:01 2002
From: g.chirinos at cantv.net (Gustavo Chirinos)
Date: Mon Apr 29 12:21:01 2002
Subject: MySQL localhost
In-Reply-To: <20020427.145346.908.1.diskot123@juno.com>
Message-ID: <B887E663-5B8B-11D6-A25A-0005024B0E7F@cantv.net>

That's the version (1.1.1) I've downloaded.

Again, the problem is that I can't execute the sql commands, and when 
pressing the button "New Connection" get the error "revdberr, restricted 
under current license".

Any help?

Gustavo Chirinos


On s?bado, abril 27, 2002, at 03:53  pm, diskot123 at juno.com wrote:

>> Reading through the online help I understand is necesary to install a
>> MySQL library access. Is that true even for OS X?
> Revolution 1.1.1 is distributed with the MySQL drivers for Mac, and OSX,
> so you may want to try downloading the latest version of 1.1.1.
>
> Tuviah Snyder ~ tuviah at runrev.com
> Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
> http://www.runrev.com/
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From kray at sonsothunder.com  Mon Apr 29 12:28:00 2002
From: kray at sonsothunder.com (Ken Ray)
Date: Mon Apr 29 12:28:00 2002
Subject: Another new kid on the block
References: <003201c1ef66$8d003bf0$c600a8c0@dev>
Message-ID: <008e01c1efa2$66ff43b0$7c00a8c0@mckinley.dom>

Bernie,

I have a bunch of VB experience, and would like to work with you on this.
There is a partial comparison of VB and Rev in a sample database stack that
I built for RunRev. You can find it at:

http://www.runrev.com/revolution/info/compare/index.html

It's the "Revolution vs. VB" comparison.

I know what you mean about assignment, and there are definitely some things
from VB that I would *love* to have in Rev (IntelliSense and direct access
to system DLLs as a couple), but there is so much that you can do with Rev,
and the cross-platform deployment benefits are awesome.

Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Email: kray at sonsothunder.com
Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bernie" <bernie at thehairshow.co.uk>
To: <use-revolution at lists.runrev.com>
Sent: Monday, April 29, 2002 5:13 AM
Subject: Another new kid on the block


> Hi List
>
> I got the Starter Kit about 4 days ago and have been through the tuts and
> playing with it quite a bit since then. I'm impressed, frustrated, excited
> and confused!
>
> I come from a very strong Visual Basic background which I've been using as
> my main language for about 4 years.
>
> I'm impressed about the ease of developing cross platform apps in Rev.
>
> I'm frustrated because it is tough to come from one tool where I can do
most
> of what I want with my eyes shut to now having to look up things like how
to
> declare a variable!
>
> I'm excited because I got through the tutorials in a few hours and have
> progressed into an app that I was building with VB and have found that it
> may be possible to do it all in Rev which would expand the reach of my
> application.
>
> I'm confused by the plain English of Transcript! I'm used to writing    x
=
> blah     rather than   put blah into x
>
> I want to know if there are any other Rev users who come from a VB
> background and, if so, how can we work together to write some tutorials or
> whatever slanted to VB developers. It would sure help me right now to see
a
> comparison chart of how things are done in VB and their Rev equivalents.
>
> Regards,
> Bernie
> "Users don't care if I write in VB, C++ or Revolution. Its all Geek to
them"
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From g.chirinos at cantv.net  Mon Apr 29 16:51:00 2002
From: g.chirinos at cantv.net (Gustavo Chirinos)
Date: Mon Apr 29 16:51:00 2002
Subject: Fwd: MySQL localhost
Message-ID: <26AEEEBE-5BB2-11D6-BBE8-0005024B0E7F@cantv.net>

Ok. I could make the connection to MySQL, but found the following bug 
using the Database Manager under OS X.

Under the tab "Text Data" if I press the "New Connection to Database" 
button I get the error: "The application Revolution has unexpectedly 
quit".

The only way I can make the connection is as follow: first go under the 
tab "Binary Data" and press "Connect" and then "Disconnect", then move 
to tab "Text Data" and press the "New Connection to Database" button, 
then I successfully get the window to execute the queries.

Further info: using a PowerBook G3 (Wallstreet), OS X 10.1.4, 320 MB 
Ram, Revolution 1.1.1

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Gustavo Chirinos <g.chirinos at cantv.net>
> Date: lun. abri 29, 2002  01:11:10  pm America/Halifax
> To: use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> Subject: Re: MySQL localhost
>
> That's the version (1.1.1) I've downloaded.
>
> Again, the problem is that I can't execute the sql commands, and when 
> pressing the button "New Connection" get the error "revdberr, 
> restricted under current license".
>
> Any help?
>
> Gustavo Chirinos
>
>
> On s?bado, abril 27, 2002, at 03:53  pm, diskot123 at juno.com wrote:
>
>>> Reading through the online help I understand is necesary to install a
>>> MySQL library access. Is that true even for OS X?
>> Revolution 1.1.1 is distributed with the MySQL drivers for Mac, and 
>> OSX,
>> so you may want to try downloading the latest version of 1.1.1.
>>
>> Tuviah Snyder ~ tuviah at runrev.com
>> Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
>> http://www.runrev.com/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> use-revolution mailing list
>> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
>> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>>
>



From lists at retiariusenterprises.com  Mon Apr 29 20:00:01 2002
From: lists at retiariusenterprises.com (Dave)
Date: Mon Apr 29 20:00:01 2002
Subject: Drag and Drop onto App Icon
Message-ID: <B8F34804.A03%lists@retiariusenterprises.com>

Does a Rev. standalone support dropping files on the icon of the app and
opening those files in the app?

What needs to be done to set this kind of thing up?

Many Thanks!


-- 
Dave
Retiarius Enterprises



From mdmays at airmail.net  Mon Apr 29 20:08:01 2002
From: mdmays at airmail.net (Michael D Mays)
Date: Mon Apr 29 20:08:01 2002
Subject: Open driver?
In-Reply-To: <9C390AA2-5B27-11D6-813C-000393598038@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B8F357A3.66931%mdmays@airmail.net>

Which suit of XCMDs?

michael

David Vaughan of drvaughan55 at mac.com wrote the following on 4/28/02 11:14 PM

> I can run HyperCard in the Classic environment under OS X and
> communicate through the USB using a suite of XCMDs, but nothing directly
> in OS X yet.



From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Mon Apr 29 20:08:13 2002
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Dreamscape Software)
Date: Mon Apr 29 20:08:13 2002
Subject: Drag and Drop onto App Icon
References: <B8F34804.A03%lists@retiariusenterprises.com>
Message-ID: <011701c1efe3$1a448f80$6b01a8c0@powercom.net>

> Does a Rev. standalone support dropping files on the icon of the app and
> opening those files in the app?
>
> What needs to be done to set this kind of thing up?

I do know in HyperCard all you had to do was setup a "on appleEvent" handler
in your stack's script.  I'm assuming it's the same thing for
MetaCard/RunRev.  Of course, that's for a Mac.  On Windows...no idea.

Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software, Inc.
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/



From prodevm at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 29 22:35:01 2002
From: prodevm at yahoo.com (Steve L)
Date: Mon Apr 29 22:35:01 2002
Subject: Sell or distribute
Message-ID: <20020430033136.11069.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com>

Hello everyone,

If I wanted to sell or distribute a standalone program
that I developed, what must be done?  Can I just sell
or distribute it via the internet, or are there
procedures that must be done such as: registation,
copyright, etc?

Also, what is the deal with the beta testing?

I am new to this developing thing and I am not sure as
to the produres/requirements (if any) that apply prior
to selling or distributing software.

Thanks 

Steve 

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From brasmussen at earthlink.net  Mon Apr 29 23:00:01 2002
From: brasmussen at earthlink.net (Bob Rasmussen)
Date: Mon Apr 29 23:00:01 2002
Subject: SIOUX and Revolution.out
References: <200204281602.MAA30729@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3CCE15E9.2EB70C40@earthlink.net>

> At 12:36 PM -0700 4/27/2002, Bob Rasmussen wrote:
> >p.s.  As a side note, the documentation of revdb_connect still has an
> >erroneous
> >description
> >
> >    The example is missing an argument.
>
> Which example? I just took a look, and they all seem to have the right
> number of arguments.
>
The example I have is

    get revdb_connect("MySQL","www.example.com,","WeeklyRatesDB",mypassword)

with four arguments instead of 5.

>
>
> >    The description is not correct for ODBC connections, which
> >    require a data source name rather than a host name.
>
> Is this incorrect?
> "To use a DSN to identify an ODBC database, use the DSN as the host, and
> leave the databaseName parameter empty."
>
That would be correct, but my copy doesn't say that.  It doesn't mention DSN at
all.

I'm sending you a snapshot of the screen offlist to show you what I'm seeing

>
>
> --
> Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
> Runtime Revolution Limited - The Solution for Software Development
> http://www.runrev.com/
>



From drvaughan55 at mac.com  Mon Apr 29 23:06:01 2002
From: drvaughan55 at mac.com (David Vaughan)
Date: Mon Apr 29 23:06:01 2002
Subject: Open driver?
In-Reply-To: <B8F357A3.66931%mdmays@airmail.net>
Message-ID: <2F2AC79F-5BEF-11D6-AAC9-000393598038@mac.com>

On Tuesday, April 30, 2002, at 11:03 , Michael D Mays wrote:

> Which suite of XCMDs?

Harold Chesley's Serial Port Toolkit V2.6, comprising about fifteen 
separate XCMDs and XFCNs and dated 19 Feb 1990.

Kevin Calhoun (XFCN SerialHandler from the Dartmouth collection) and 
Danny Goodman (XCMD Comm) both do it in one handler (Harry even has a 
separate XFCN to return the version number) but I had some problems with 
each of them - doing nothing or crashing. Probably something wrong with 
my versions because there is nothing wrong with the people behind them. 
The Chesley kit is quite easy to use and seems to cover everything. I am 
doing receive only.

regards
David

>
> michael
>
> David Vaughan of drvaughan55 at mac.com wrote the following on 4/28/02 
> 11:14 PM
>
>> I can run HyperCard in the Classic environment under OS X and
>> communicate through the USB using a suite of XCMDs, but nothing 
>> directly
>> in OS X yet.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From drvaughan55 at mac.com  Mon Apr 29 23:09:01 2002
From: drvaughan55 at mac.com (David Vaughan)
Date: Mon Apr 29 23:09:01 2002
Subject: Serial Port Toolkit
In-Reply-To: <B8F357A3.66931%mdmays@airmail.net>
Message-ID: <7B5BEB93-5BEF-11D6-AAC9-000393598038@mac.com>

Michael

If you like I can send them to you.

regards
David

On Tuesday, April 30, 2002, at 11:03 , Michael D Mays wrote:

> Which suit of XCMDs?
>
> michael
>
> David Vaughan of drvaughan55 at mac.com wrote the following on 4/28/02 
> 11:14 PM
>
>> I can run HyperCard in the Classic environment under OS X and
>> communicate through the USB using a suite of XCMDs, but nothing 
>> directly
>> in OS X yet.
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
>



From shaosean at unitz.ca  Mon Apr 29 23:52:01 2002
From: shaosean at unitz.ca (Shao Sean)
Date: Mon Apr 29 23:52:01 2002
Subject: Sell or distribute
References: <20020430033136.11069.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <006601c1f001$b2a42560$88b15bd1@lanfear>

> If I wanted to sell or distribute a standalone program
with runrev, there are no royalities or licensing fees (other than what you
pay to get the development license) for selling a standalone program..

--
> or distribute it via the internet, or are there
you can easily distribute it via the internet and there are many services
already setup that will help you with the distribution and/or payments..
check in the archives for an earlier thread about this..

--
> procedures that must be done such as: registation, copyright, etc?
in my country (canada) the moment you write it and such, you have the
copyright to it (unless it's a work-for-hire).. you may want to spend some
time to make sure that you're not going to be using the same name as someone
else..

--
> Also, what is the deal with the beta testing?
usually you gather a group of people that you can trust and get them to sign
NDA's (i just threaten them.. it works the same ;-) but this sill depend on
what kind of software you are writing and the people you are getting to test
it (i've never gotten anyone to sign NDA's and nothing has ever been
leaked.. of course i put other things in there so i can tell who's copy was
leaked =)

--
> I am new to this developing thing and I am not sure as
welcome aboard.. =)



From harrison at all-auctions.com  Mon Apr 29 23:54:01 2002
From: harrison at all-auctions.com (Rick Harrison)
Date: Mon Apr 29 23:54:01 2002
Subject: MIDI & RR
In-Reply-To: <F4e3WYIgoFT3kMUVfNI00000973@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <B8F39AF6.9A2%harrison@all-auctions.com>

on 4/26/2002 12:59 PM, Kurt Kaufman at kurtkaufman at hotmail.com wrote:

> Has anyone had experience using MIDI with RR?  My chief interest would be in
> being able to create files of MIDI data, rather than writing something to
> record "live" MIDI data.
> -Kurt
> 
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Kurt,

Haven't any MIDI/RR experience, but I'm very interested in your
question.  Apparently no one else has any experience either or
they would have responded to your question.  Find out on the web
what the MIDI format file is comprised of.  See if you can get a
look at the guts of one, decode it a little so you understand it
and then go from there.  From that point on it shouldn't be too bad.

Good luck and I'm sure we'd all like to know of your progress and results.

Rick Harrison



From stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com  Tue Apr 30 01:08:01 2002
From: stephenREVOLUTION at barncard.com (Stephen Barncard)
Date: Tue Apr 30 01:08:01 2002
Subject: Serial Port Toolkit
Message-ID: <p05100302b8f3e1c512d9@[192.168.1.102]>

I thought post system 7 use of the serial port was encouraged to be 
done through the communication toolbox --

I have several stacks of XCMDs that use it, including one by Harry 
Chesley. Let me know. In fact, I have XCMDs for just about everything 
I've collected over the years...


sqb


From benr at cogapp.com  Tue Apr 30 04:56:01 2002
From: benr at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Tue Apr 30 04:56:01 2002
Subject: Drag and Drop onto App Icon
In-Reply-To: <B8F34804.A03%lists@retiariusenterprises.com>
Message-ID: <B8F426D0.232DE%benr@cogapp.com>

on 30/4/02 1:57 AM, Dave at lists at retiariusenterprises.com wrote:

> Does a Rev. standalone support dropping files on the icon of the app and
> opening those files in the app?

Yes.


> What needs to be done to set this kind of thing up?

On Mac, you need to catch the appleEvent message, checking for id of "odoc"
(open doc).   The data then gives the file information.

On Windows, since this always (?) results in launching a new instance of the
app, you need to put code in startup or openstack, according to the needs of
your project, to check the environment variables $1...$n, which will be the
file info.

One day there'll be an entry in the How To explaining this in more detail, I
believe.

Hope this helps.
 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866




From benr_mc at cogapp.com  Tue Apr 30 04:57:00 2002
From: benr_mc at cogapp.com (Ben Rubinstein)
Date: Tue Apr 30 04:57:00 2002
Subject: Sell or distribute
In-Reply-To: <006601c1f001$b2a42560$88b15bd1@lanfear>
Message-ID: <B8F4282C.232E1%benr_mc@cogapp.com>

on 30/4/02 5:44 AM, Shao Sean at shaosean at unitz.ca wrote:

>> procedures that must be done such as: registation, copyright, etc?

One item Shao didn't mention; you need to acknowledge that portions of the
code are copyright RunRev and MC - check the license for details.  The
simplest thing (which I believe is adequate, someone from RunRev please say
if not) assuming your software will only be distributed as bits, won't have
any packaging etc, is to make sure that you have an about box, and put the
necessary text in there.


Also, if you are distributing a Mac version, and you want it to have any
documents of its own, then you should give it a custom creator code, which
must be unique.  You can get these from a tool on Apple's web site (it's
free, it's quick).  If you're app doesn't create any documents of it's own,
then you should set the creator code to "????".

 
  Ben Rubinstein               |  Email: benr_mc at cogapp.com
  Cognitive Applications Ltd   |  Phone: +44 (0)1273-821600
  http://www.cogapp.com        |  Fax  : +44 (0)1273-728866




From michael at GreppyDreppies.com  Tue Apr 30 05:54:02 2002
From: michael at GreppyDreppies.com (Michael D Mays)
Date: Tue Apr 30 05:54:02 2002
Subject: Serial Port Toolkit
In-Reply-To: <7B5BEB93-5BEF-11D6-AAC9-000393598038@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B8F3E133.66E0C%michael@GreppyDreppies.com>

Are you using Apple's HyperCard serial port XCMDS to talk to a serial port
via a USB to serial port adapter?

I have Apple's XCMDs. If you have some others you are willing to share, I
would appreciate you sending them to me.

Thanks,

michael 

David Vaughan of drvaughan55 at mac.com wrote the following on 4/29/02 11:05 PM

> Michael
> 
> If you like I can send them to you.
> 
> regards
> David



From kurtkaufman at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 30 08:57:01 2002
From: kurtkaufman at hotmail.com (Kurt Kaufman)
Date: Tue Apr 30 08:57:01 2002
Subject: MIDI & RR
Message-ID: <DDF3FA54-5C41-11D6-A4C3-00039348A1E6@hotmail.com>

"...Haven't any MIDI/RR experience, but I'm very interested in your
question.... Find out on the web
what the MIDI format file is comprised of.? See if you can get a
look at the guts of one, decode it a little so you understand it
and then go from there....."

Rick,
Thanks for your post.  That's pretty much what I'm doing.  I'm hoping 
eventually to be able to directly access the "built-in" MIDI instruments 
(provided by Quicktime on Mac/Mac OS X) through a RR app, and at that 
point I will definitely need assistance from others.  (My copy of 
Codewarrior is very old, and I never did do much beyond textbook 
console-based programming in C.)

-Kurt



From chipp at chipp.com  Tue Apr 30 12:33:01 2002
From: chipp at chipp.com (Chipp Walters)
Date: Tue Apr 30 12:33:01 2002
Subject: Playback of mpg movies...
Message-ID: <MPELJJGBBDPBNCHJHAOOAEHHCHAA.chipp@chipp.com>

I've been trying to get the player to handle basic .mpg movies. I can get
them started, but they won't stop! The whole program locks up once it
starts. It seems like there aren't enough 'cycles' for RunRev to process
clicks.

Any ideas? (on a WinXP PC)

BTW - I assume RR (and MC) use Quicktime only to play .avi's. Correct?
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From troy at rpsystems.net  Tue Apr 30 13:01:01 2002
From: troy at rpsystems.net (Troy Rollins)
Date: Tue Apr 30 13:01:01 2002
Subject: Playback of mpg movies...
In-Reply-To: <MPELJJGBBDPBNCHJHAOOAEHHCHAA.chipp@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <C621BC3D-5C63-11D6-93A7-000393853D6C@rpsystems.net>

On Tuesday, April 30, 2002, at 01:31 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:

> BTW - I assume RR (and MC) use Quicktime only to play .avi's. Correct?

If so, that would be an odd choice. I LOVE everything about QuickTime, 
but its handling of AVI files would not be one of its principle selling 
points. I was under the impression that all "movie media" was happening 
via QuickTime (of course I'm Mac centric lately.)

--
Troy
RPSystems
www.rpsystems.net



From webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com  Tue Apr 30 13:16:01 2002
From: webmaster at dreamscapesoftware.com (Dreamscape Software)
Date: Tue Apr 30 13:16:01 2002
Subject: Playback of mpg movies...
References: <MPELJJGBBDPBNCHJHAOOAEHHCHAA.chipp@chipp.com>
Message-ID: <008b01c1f072$ab1fa3c0$6b01a8c0@powercom.net>

> I've been trying to get the player to handle basic .mpg movies. I can get
> them started, but they won't stop! The whole program locks up once it
> starts. It seems like there aren't enough 'cycles' for RunRev to process
> clicks.
>
> Any ideas? (on a WinXP PC)
>
> BTW - I assume RR (and MC) use Quicktime only to play .avi's. Correct?

I wrote a program to play MPEG movies on the Mac in MetaCard using
QuickTime.  What I've noticed is that the movie will play better if you
don't use the controller.  Also, make sure you try to stop the movie before
you switch to another tool (like the button tool, etc.).  When I was testing
the software, it played great, but when I was developing everything, it was
pretty bad.  I guess the best way to go is to use small MPEG movies while
developing, and use the large ones for testing.

I don't know if this will help, but that's what worked for me.  Oh, AVI
support in QuickTime is pretty flaky.  Some work, and some don't.  To get
DIVX AVI's to work I had to download 2 things.  1 component for QuickTime to
allow it to play.  And a utility to convert the DIVX MP3 track to something
that Quicktime can handle.

Derek Bump
Dreamscape Software, Inc.
http://www.dreamscapesoftware.com/



From JAMES.G.YATES at saic.com  Tue Apr 30 13:59:01 2002
From: JAMES.G.YATES at saic.com (Yates, Glen)
Date: Tue Apr 30 13:59:01 2002
Subject: Playback of mpg movies...
Message-ID: <33F0B58BF432D211B72200805FEFAAD905A64F88@hun-its-exs01.saic.com>

> On Tuesday, April 30, 2002, at 01:31 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
> 
> > BTW - I assume RR (and MC) use Quicktime only to play 
> .avi's. Correct?
> 
> If so, that would be an odd choice. 

Odd, but (somewhat) true.

RR and MC use Quicktime to play .avi's on Mac and Windows, and they use
xanim to play them on unix. On windows, however, you can set the property
dontUseQT to true, to disable the use of quicktime, and thus use windows
built in multimedia system for the player object, play command, and visual
effects.

-Glen Yates


From anthonyk at fastq.com  Tue Apr 30 14:59:01 2002
From: anthonyk at fastq.com (Tony)
Date: Tue Apr 30 14:59:01 2002
Subject: Stopping a handler
References: <200204301601.MAA11615@www.runrev.com>
Message-ID: <3CCF04C8.FBDAFCD4@fastq.com>

Is there a way to stop execution of a handler from
the keyboard? I execute long handlers of extensive
repeat loops and sometimes the total execution
time is 20 or more seconds. If I realize that I
did something wrong (the handler runs for a minute
or so..), I want to kill the execution.

In HC the apple and period combination stopped a
handler. Is there something similar in Rev?

Tony Kouvousis



From drvaughan55 at mac.com  Tue Apr 30 17:32:01 2002
From: drvaughan55 at mac.com (David Vaughan)
Date: Tue Apr 30 17:32:01 2002
Subject: Serial Port Toolkit
In-Reply-To: <B8F3E133.66E0C%michael@GreppyDreppies.com>
Message-ID: <AEA7F9D2-5C89-11D6-925C-000393598038@mac.com>

On Tuesday, April 30, 2002, at 08:50 , Michael D Mays wrote:

> Are you using Apple's HyperCard serial port XCMDS to talk to a serial 
> port
> via a USB to serial port adapter?
>
> I have Apple's XCMDs. If you have some others you are willing to 
> share, I
> would appreciate you sending them to me.

Michael

A stack of communications toolbox XCMDs, my old library of externals I 
have picked up and those I wrote (easier than separating out and 
documenting things again) and a text document on the sPort toolkit are 
travelling directly to you, since even zipped to 550KB it is a bit over 
the Rev limit of 15KB.

regards
David
>
> Thanks,
>
> michael
>
> David Vaughan of drvaughan55 at mac.com wrote the following on 4/29/02 
> 11:05 PM
>
>> Michael
>>
>> If you like I can send them to you.
>>
>> regards
>> David
>
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From bvlahos at jpl.nasa.gov  Tue Apr 30 17:47:01 2002
From: bvlahos at jpl.nasa.gov (Bill Vlahos)
Date: Tue Apr 30 17:47:01 2002
Subject: Stopping a handler
In-Reply-To: <3CCF04C8.FBDAFCD4@fastq.com>
Message-ID: <AE02A440-5C8B-11D6-B23E-000393853DBC@jpl.nasa.gov>

Same thing in Rev on a Mac. On Unix or Windows it is Control-period.

Bill Vlahos

On Tuesday, April 30, 2002, at 01:55 PM, Tony wrote:

> Is there a way to stop execution of a handler from
> the keyboard? I execute long handlers of extensive
> repeat loops and sometimes the total execution
> time is 20 or more seconds. If I realize that I
> did something wrong (the handler runs for a minute
> or so..), I want to kill the execution.
>
> In HC the apple and period combination stopped a
> handler. Is there something similar in Rev?
>
> Tony Kouvousis
>
> _______________________________________________
> use-revolution mailing list
> use-revolution at lists.runrev.com
> http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue Apr 30 18:25:01 2002
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue Apr 30 18:25:01 2002
Subject: MIDI & RR
In-Reply-To: <B8F39AF6.9A2%harrison@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0204301618030.8446-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Don't have anything *useful* to offer here (unless I look up the
reference) but this has been raised several times on the Hypercard list
lately (where it's less important given that Hypercard directly supports
midi-like scripted musical notation), but I seem to recall Scott Raney
saying that it would be almost trivial to write something for MC/Rev that
would do likewise if only someone were 'intrepid' enough.

I'll see if I can find the file format reference.

Judy

On Tue, 30 Apr 2002, Rick Harrison wrote:

> on 4/26/2002 12:59 PM, Kurt Kaufman at kurtkaufman at hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > Has anyone had experience using MIDI with RR?  My chief interest would be in
> > being able to create files of MIDI data, rather than writing something to
> > record "live" MIDI data.
k



From jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu  Tue Apr 30 18:26:00 2002
From: jperryl at ecs.fullerton.edu (Judy Perry)
Date: Tue Apr 30 18:26:00 2002
Subject: MIDI & RR
In-Reply-To: <B8F39AF6.9A2%harrison@all-auctions.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.33.0204301622450.8446-100000@titan.ecs.fullerton.edu>

Ahh, yes, here it is:

http://www.fortunecity.com/tinpan/faithfull/379/smf.html

Judy