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Richard Hench
henchr at jenkintown.org
Mon Nov 26 07:54:00 EST 2001
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> 001 - "Mark MacKenzie (Shaw)" < - Re: Was HTML Text Files
> 002 - Philip Usher <usher at iqcis - Re: Digest use-revolution.v001.n139
> 003 - "Ted" <tedl at voyager.net> - Re: System Requirements for Rev
> 004 - Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at ins - Re: Error type - 192, now error type 3
> 005 - Jacqueline Landman Gay <j - Re: Features I like, and features I wish for
> 006 - Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at ins - Re: Digest use-revolution.v001.n139
> 007 - Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at ins - Re: Was HTML Text Files
> 008 - Scott Raney <raney at metaca - Re: System requirements for Rev
> 009 - Peter Reid <preid at reidit. - Rev 1.1 External Collection?
> 010 - Scott Rossi <scott at tactil - Re: Was HTML Text Files
> 011 - Terry Judd <tsj at unimelb.e - Re: Was HTML Text Files
> 012 - "Mark MacKenzie (Shaw)" < - Re: PC Control Shift right click on
> Application Overiew Window
> 013 - Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at ins - Re: Was HTML Text Files
> 014 - "Jeanne A. E. DeVoto" <je - Re: WindowsXP Documentation Translation Bug
> 015 - "Jeanne A. E. DeVoto" <je - Re: Animation Question
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> From: "Mark MacKenzie (Shaw)" <markmac at shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: Was HTML Text Files
> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 07:40:17 -0600
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> Thanks for the feedback and suggestions. The training wheels are still on
> but the axle nuts are loosing!
>
> HTML fields are functioning as I need them too now. The background is
> invisible as desired.
>
> Am I correct in my assumption that a floating pallet stack window cannot
> have an invisible background such that a larger stack beneath shows through?
> This is where I originally went wrong and became confused.
>
> Next question: Is it possible to protect resource media from copiers
> without using the Valentina XCMD and its ability to hold blob references.
> Is this possible within the basic Revolution framework? Reliable techniques
> to achieve this are of great concern to us and our clients. Let me hasten
> to add that my usual projects are resource rich and I use file references to
> keep the stacks from bloating beyond reasonable limits.
>
> With iShell I use a companion encrypted database product which handles all
> resource file reference and storage within the encrypted database. A
> beautiful and fast solution. (After looking carefully at Valentina I wonder
> if "iPackager" is not based on the main Valentina engine.)
>
> Regards
> Mark MacKenzie
> Chief Techno-Mage
> Historical Treasures & Ancient Arts
> www.digitalheritage.ca
> markmac at shaw.ca
>
>
>
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> From: Philip Usher <usher at iqcisp.com>
> Subject: Re: Digest use-revolution.v001.n139
> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:56:26 -0600
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> on 11/22/01 5:45 AM, use-revolution-errors at www.runrev.com at
> use-revolution-errors at www.runrev.com wrote:
>
>>> I wish I had more control of overall Preference type stuff. Like
>>> whether help windows open in front of other windows or you have to
>>> drag them out. Like always colorizing scripts.
>>
>> I'm not completely sure what you mean by "help windows open in front of
>> other windows" - they shouldn't open behind other windows, certainly - but
>> if you can describe more completely I may be able to put it on the feature
>> request list.
>
>
> When you're in the script window and you open the Transcript Help window to
> look up a term, it appears behind the script window where you can't see it.
> It would be more helpful if it appeared in front of the script window.
>
>
>
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> From: "Ted" <tedl at voyager.net>
> Subject: Re: System Requirements for Rev
> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:11:12 -0500
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> On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, John Cuccio wrote in part:
>
>> Since I was unable to get rev 1.1 development to run under Mac OS 7.5.5
>> then will a stand alone work under this system.
>
>> The Doc said 7.1 or higher.
>
>> I would like my program to be able to run under 7.5.5 and up on 68k
> machines.
>
> John:
>
> I recently built a simple three-card test standalone in Rev 1.1, and I tested
> it on OS 7.5.5.
>
> It crashed the system on any attempt to navigate from the opening card (an
> identical standalone built in 1.0 worked fine on the same system). I reported
> this to RunRev, and they are no doubt investigating this.
>
> Ted
>
>
>
>
>
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> From: Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com>
> Subject: Re: Error type - 192, now error type 3
> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 08:54:34 -0800
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> At 8:54 AM -0800 11/22/01, Greg Wills wrote:
>> Thanks Geoff
>> Yep, QT 3 was the problem. QT 4.1 did the trick to solve the Error type 3
>> issue - that seemed to be associated with the visual effect call?
>> Greg
>
> Visual Effects sounds like a fair bet.
>
> gc
>
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> From: Jacqueline Landman Gay <jacque at hyperactivesw.com>
> Subject: Re: Features I like, and features I wish for
> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 11:11:28 -0500
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> At 2:15 PM -0800 11/18/2001, Shari wrote:
>>
>> Once I created a menu (menubar type menu), now I have to click on the
>> Toolbox or Application Overview to have the full set of development
>> menus. Otherwise, when I'm in the stack, the only menus up there are
>> the ones I created. I wish that weren't so. Once I release it,
>> obviously I want only my menus up there, but during development I
>> want both sets of menus.
>
> One thing I do sometimes is set the editMenus of the stack to true. On a
> Mac, that puts the menu bar into the stack window (the way it will be on
> a Windows machine.) You can see both sets of menus that way, and pull
> down items from either. It also shows you how the stack will look to
> Windows users.
>
> --
> Jacqueline Landman Gay | jacque at hyperactivesw.com
> HyperActive Software | HypActSftw at aol.com
> Custom hypermedia solutions | http://www.hyperactivesw.com
> 612.724.1596 | 612.724.1562 - fax
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> From: Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com>
> Subject: Re: Digest use-revolution.v001.n139
> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:09:56 -0800
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>
> At 8:56 AM -0600 11/22/01, Philip Usher wrote:
>> When you're in the script window and you open the Transcript Help window to
>> look up a term, it appears behind the script window where you can't see it.
>> It would be more helpful if it appeared in front of the script window.
>
> You can change the help window to a palette as well. The drawback is that it
> shrinks in the process and displays only basic information on the topic.
>
> One thing that I've found is that, because the script is a palette window, you
> can still interact with the help window -- navigate, find other commands, etc.
>
> regards,
>
> gc
>
>
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> From: Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com>
> Subject: Re: Was HTML Text Files
> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 10:17:14 -0800
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> References: <200111221339.IAA01496 at www.runrev.com>
> In-Reply-To: <200111221339.IAA01496 at www.runrev.com>
>
> At 7:40 AM -0600 11/22/01, Mark MacKenzie (Shaw) wrote:
>> Am I correct in my assumption that a floating pallet stack window cannot
>> have an invisible background such that a larger stack beneath shows through?
>> This is where I originally went wrong and became confused.
>
> No, you can't (easily) make one window show through another. On the Mac, at
> least, there is a way to do this that doesn't have anything to do with
> Revolution. It involves using a special window type, and that's about all I
> know about it. There used to be a thing called Odo (the shape-shifting
> character on Star Trek: Deep Space 9) that would do this, and QuickTime 5 has
> it built in. I don't know how they're doing it.
>
>> Next question: Is it possible to protect resource media from copiers
>> without using the Valentina XCMD and its ability to hold blob references.
>> Is this possible within the basic Revolution framework? Reliable techniques
>> to achieve this are of great concern to us and our clients. Let me hasten
>> to add that my usual projects are resource rich and I use file references to
>> keep the stacks from bloating beyond reasonable limits.
>>
>> With iShell I use a companion encrypted database product which handles all
>> resource file reference and storage within the encrypted database. A
>> beautiful and fast solution. (After looking carefully at Valentina I wonder
>> if "iPackager" is not based on the main Valentina engine.)
>
> How serious do you want the protection to be? I don't think Revolution cares
> about the type or extension of a file, so it should be possible to have all
> the images, sounds, etc., show as generic to the file system. It wouldn't stop
> someone from importing them to Photoshop, though.
>
> regards,
>
> gc
>
>
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>
> From: Scott Raney <raney at metacard.com>
> Subject: Re: System requirements for Rev
> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 12:11:36 -0700 (MST)
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> In-Reply-To: <200111221145.GAA31800 at www.runrev.com>
>
> On Wed, 21 Nov 2001 John Cuccio <jcuccio at pacbell.net> wrote:
>> Subject: System requirements for Rev
>>
>> Since I was unable to get rev 1.1 development to run under Mac OS 7.5.5
>> then will a stand alone work under this system.
>>
>> The Doc said 7.1 or higher.
>
> This should still be the case, at least for 68K systems. I think PPC
> systems all have to have 7.5 or later anyway.
>
>> I would like my program to be able to run under 7.5.5 and up on 68k
>> machines.
>>
>> I was putting off upgrading the OS on that computer. But today Rev 1
>> froze two times and I lost about hours of work. Change HD with OS 8.1 so
>> I can run rev 1.1. I was having problems with 1. & 7.5.5 but nothing
>> this big. I think a system conflict somewhere. I am having to much fun
>> programming in rev to try to fix it.
>
> The PPC engine got broken on MacOS 7.X during the Carbon port (it was
> making Appearance Manager calls that aren't there). This should be
> fixed in the latest MetaCard engines. Not sure how this maps to RR
> versions yet, but the two should be fully synced up in the very near
> future (maybe RR 1.1.1?)
> Regards,
> Scott
>
> ********************************************************
> Scott Raney raney at metacard.com http://www.metacard.com
> MetaCard: You know, there's an easier way to do that...
>
>
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> From: Peter Reid <preid at reidit.co.uk>
> Subject: Rev 1.1 External Collection?
> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:52:17 +0000
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>
> Anyone worked out how to use the Externals Collection with Rev 1.1?
> I thought the features of the External Collection were being
> incorporated into Rev 1.1, but I can't see how and where.
>
> In particular, I'm looking for the equivalent to "ext_openFile" which
> will open a file in it's associated application. This works better
> than the "launch" command since it takes care of whether the
> application is open already.
>
> I'd like to produce a Mac OS X version of my stack and the original
> External Collection is not usable in this situation. Anyone found
> how to do this?
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
> --
> Peter Reid
> Reid-IT Limited, Loughborough, Leics., UK
> Tel: +44 (0)1509 268843 Fax: +44 (0)870 052 7576
> E-mail: preid at reidit.co.uk
> Web: http://www.reidit.co.uk
>
>
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>
> From: Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com>
> Subject: Re: Was HTML Text Files
> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 12:11:15 -0800
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> In-Reply-To: <200111221817.NAA07517 at www.runrev.com>
>
>>> Am I correct in my assumption that a floating pallet stack window cannot
>>> have an invisible background such that a larger stack beneath shows through?
>>> This is where I originally went wrong and became confused.
>>
>> No, you can't (easily) make one window show through another. On the Mac, at
>> least, there is a way to do this that doesn't have anything to do with
>> Revolution. It involves using a special window type, and that's about all I
>> know about it. There used to be a thing called Odo (the shape-shifting
>> character on Star Trek: Deep Space 9) that would do this, and QuickTime 5 has
>> it built in. I don't know how they're doing it.
>
> There is no such thing as a true "transparent" window. You can create the
> illusion of a window being transparent or translucent by taking a screenshot
> of the window's current position, displaying the screenshot as the
> background of the window and then drawing your interface elements on top of
> the screenshot. The tough thing about this technique is that if the user
> moves the window, you need to hide it before allowing the user to access it
> since the screenshot must be updated to reflect the window's new position on
> the desktop.
>
> BTW, Odo is for creating custom shaped windows (read: non-rectangular) and
> to date is pretty much the only way to get custom windows in MC Mac (unless
> someone has written something new).
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
>
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
> Email: scott at tactilemedia.com
> Web: www.tactilemedia.com
>
>
>
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>
> From: Terry Judd <tsj at unimelb.edu.au>
> Subject: Re: Was HTML Text Files
> Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 09:15:18 +1100
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed"
> References: <200111222011.PAA09622 at www.runrev.com>
> In-Reply-To: <200111222011.PAA09622 at www.runrev.com>
>
>>>> Am I correct in my assumption that a floating pallet stack window cannot
>>>> have an invisible background such that a larger stack beneath
>>>> shows through?
>>>> This is where I originally went wrong and became confused.
>>>
>>> No, you can't (easily) make one window show through another. On the Mac, at
>>> least, there is a way to do this that doesn't have anything to do with
>>> Revolution. It involves using a special window type, and that's about all I
>>> know about it. There used to be a thing called Odo (the shape-shifting
>>> character on Star Trek: Deep Space 9) that would do this, and
>>> QuickTime 5 has
>>> it built in. I don't know how they're doing it.
>>
>> There is no such thing as a true "transparent" window. You can create the
>> illusion of a window being transparent or translucent by taking a screenshot
>> of the window's current position, displaying the screenshot as the
>> background of the window and then drawing your interface elements on top of
>> the screenshot. The tough thing about this technique is that if the user
>> moves the window, you need to hide it before allowing the user to access it
>> since the screenshot must be updated to reflect the window's new position on
>> the desktop.
>
> I'm not sure how it does it but Audion (mp3 player from Panic
> www.panic.com) has live draggable translucent windows that display
> beautifully.
>
> Terry...
>
>> BTW, Odo is for creating custom shaped windows (read: non-rectangular) and
>> to date is pretty much the only way to get custom windows in MC Mac (unless
>> someone has written something new).
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Scott Rossi
>> Creative Director
>>
>> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
>> Email: scott at tactilemedia.com
>> Web: www.tactilemedia.com
>
>
> --
> ___________________________________________________________________________
> Dr Terry Judd
>
> Lecturer in Instructional Design / Multimedia Developer
> Biomedical Multimedia Unit
> Faculty of Medicine, Dentistry & Health Sciences
> The University of Melbourne
> Email: t.judd at bmu.unimelb.edu.au
> Phone: 03 9344 0187
> Fax: 03 9344 4998
> ___________________________________________________________________________
>
>
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>
> From: "Mark MacKenzie (Shaw)" <markmac at shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: PC Control Shift right click on Application Overiew Window
> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 17:20:36 -0600
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
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>
> Thanks Jeanne, I was afraid this behaviour presaged a really trashed
> Revolution environment.
>
> It is good to know that " if you were to, say,
> accidentally delete objects from the App Overview, you could fix the
> problem simply by quitting and relaunching Revolution."
>
> Thanks Mark
>
>
>
>
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>
> From: Geoff Canyon <gcanyon at inspiredlogic.com>
> Subject: Re: Was HTML Text Files
> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 20:34:27 -0800
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> References: <200111222011.PAA09622 at www.runrev.com>
> In-Reply-To: <200111222011.PAA09622 at www.runrev.com>
>
> At 12:11 PM -0800 11/22/01, Scott Rossi wrote:
>> There is no such thing as a true "transparent" window.
>
> For comparison, check out the things they're doing with QuickTime:
>
> http://www.movtv.com/
>
> gc
>
>
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>
> From: "Jeanne A. E. DeVoto" <jeanne at runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: WindowsXP Documentation Translation Bug
> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 17:41:18 -0800
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> References: <200111202024.PAA03770 at www.runrev.com>
> In-Reply-To: <200111202119.QAA04616 at www.runrev.com>
>
> At 1:18 PM -0800 11/20/2001, Chipp Walters wrote:
>> Dont' know if anyone has seen this before, but I thought I'd mention it. The
>> Troubleshooting card in the Documentation Stack is somewhat corrupted. It
>> appears that the apostrophe character has been replaced by some unusual
>> other character. I believe I saw this on my Win98 machine as well... but I
>> know it's here on my WinXP machine.
>
> Thanks for the report.
>
> What's going on is that the Troubleshooting list didn't get properly
> converted to the ISO character set during the build of 1.1 (my fault). This
> will be fixed in the next docs release, of course, but meanwhile here's a
> quick fix:
>
> 1. Open to the Troubleshooting list in the docs stack and type this in the
> message box (all one line):
> set the completeContents of the mouseControl to macToISO(the
> completeContents of the mouseControl)
>
> 2. Move the mouse pointer over the scrolling list and press Return to
> execute the line. (To display the newly fixed text, you might have to set
> the popup menu above the field to "filter" and type a few characters, then
> backspace over it, or else go to another card and come back.)
>
> 3. When you're done, enter
> save stack "revDocs"
> into the message box and press Return.
>
> --
> Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
> http://www.runrev.com/
> Runtime Revolution Limited - Power to the Developer!
>
>
>
>
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>
> From: "Jeanne A. E. DeVoto" <jeanne at runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Animation Question
> Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 19:39:56 -0800
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> In-Reply-To: <200111202024.PAA03770 at www.runrev.com>
>
> At 12:18 PM -0800 11/20/2001, Magnus Stark wrote:
>> I am wondering if Revolution can do controlled animations? With
>> HyperCard we could make a controlled animation, such as have a button
>> that I set a sequence of setting icon images to repeat through, and the
>> sequence of icons to view through would be different depending on the
>> situation (such as a man running change to walking) - however, the
>> limitation was that since we're setting the icon image of the button, we
>> were limited to black/white 32x32 icons or whatever the size was.
>
> I think Scott's already discussed animated GIF control, but in answer to
> this part of your question, Rev supports icons of any size and full color,
> so you can do this sort of animation with fewer limitations in Rev.
>
> Revolution icons aren't ICON resources [since those are Mac-specific];
> instead, an icon is just an image. You set the icon property to the image
> name or ID to change the icon.
>
> --
> Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
> http://www.runrev.com/
> Runtime Revolution Limited - Power to the Developer!
>
>
>
>
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