[Use-revolution] Re: Digest use-revolution.v001.n142

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>     001 - shrap at mail.geko.net.au (N - Button colors
>     002 - Troy Rollins <troy at rpsyst - Re: I Don't Understand Why This Is
>     003 - "Mark MacKenzie (Shaw)" < - Re:  I Don"t Understand Why This 
> Is
>     004 - Lee Perham <leep at mac.com> - Dead rev stack
>     005 - Retiarius <lists at retiariu - Screen Fade in Rev?
>     006 - JacksHyperInfo at aol.com    - Compatibility Question
>     007 - "Jeanne A. E. DeVoto" <je - Re: Button colors
>     008 - "Jeanne A. E. DeVoto" <je - Re: Requests
>     009 - "Jeanne A. E. DeVoto" <je - Re: Dead rev stack
>     010 - "Marian Petrides, M.D." < - Re: Compatibility Question
>     011 - Ian Bridges <inperson at pnc - Re post - Masking graphics
>     012 - Scott Rossi <scott at tactil - Re: Screen Fade in Rev?
>     013 - John Cuccio <jcuccio at pacb - Stackfiles Property
>     014 - John Cuccio <jcuccio at pacb - Re: Stackfiles Property
>     015 - Matt Denton <matt.denton@ - Acrobat again
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> From: shrap at mail.geko.net.au (Neil Phillips)
> Subject: Button colors
> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 00:08:53 +1100
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>
> Hi All,
> I can't seem to get the colors to work properly for buttons in 
> Revolution
> 1.1. The colors work properly in version 1.0. In 1.1 I can set the
> foreground color ok but the other colors cannot be set by the Colors and
> Patterns palette or by a script. I've tried it out on a blue and white 
> G3
> running System 9.04 and a G4 Cube running System 9.1. Both machines have
> plenty of ram.
>
> Field colors can be set ok.
>
> Is this a bug or am I missing something?
>
>
> What works and what doesn't.
>
> Foreground - ok
> Background - no good
> hilite - no good
> top color - no good
> shadow - no good
> focus - no good
>
> Cheers
>
> Neil
>
>
>
>
> --------------- MESSAGE use-revolution.v001.n142.2 ---------------
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> From: Troy Rollins <troy at rpsystems.net>
> Subject: Re: I Don't Understand Why This Is
> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 09:18:28 -0500
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>
> Mark MacKenzie (Shaw)  wrote:
>
>> As far as I can see when inspecting the stacks and the cards properties
>> there is nothing which would account for this discrepancy in reporting
>> behaviour.
>
> Mark,
> While not a complete answer - you could try using the keyword constant
> "comma" - I have found to have better luck with those when inserting 
> into a
> script for display...
>
> The discrepancy... I'm not sure.
>
> --
> Troy
> RPSystems
> www.rpsystems.net
>
>
>
> --------------- MESSAGE use-revolution.v001.n142.3 ---------------
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> From: "Mark MacKenzie (Shaw)" <markmac at shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re:  I Don"t Understand Why This Is
> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 12:58:02 -0600
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> Okay I have solved my own problem but in doing so have uncovered a 
> trait of
> Rev's which I have some recollection is shared by HC or SuperCard.
>
> My original problem arose because I was putting the "subStacks" directly
> into a scrolling list field and then referencing this field line by 
> line in
> a repeat structure to get the cardIDs of a multistack project.
>
> Although the resulting list looked good there is something wrong when 
> you
> simply grab the line as a variable and use it as a stack reference.
>
> When I changed the manner of putting the substacks into this field by 
> using
> the button script:
>
> on mouseup
>   local ListOfStacks
>   local NumInStackList
>   put empty into field "Open Stacks"
>   put the substacks of stack "BookCover" into ListOfStacks
>   put the number of lines of ListOfStacks into NumInStackList
>   if NumInStackList > 0 then
>     repeat until NumInStackList = 0
>       put line NumInStackList of ListOfStacks & "," after field "Open
> Stacks"
>       if NumInStackList > 1 then
>         put return after field "Open Stacks"
>       end if
>       subtract 1 from NumInStackList
>     end repeat
>   end if
> end mouseup
>
> I can now work with the resulting field line by line.  I have also 
> inserted
> ","s so that selecting the first item of the line is possible.
>
> The secondary problem I refer to above is if the "substacks" function
> results in a LIST, why cannot this be simply put into a list field 
> directly.
> I think I ran into this in HC or such and solved it similarly now that I
> think about it.
>
> Although the resulting list field looks similar when viewed in the 
> runtime
> there is obviously a structure difference.  What exactly is the 
> structure of
> the list returned by "substacks"?
>
> Regards
> Mark MacKenzie
> Chief Techno-Mage
> Historical Treasures & Ancient Arts
> www.digitalheritage.ca
> markmac at shaw.ca
>
>
>
>
>
> --------------- MESSAGE use-revolution.v001.n142.4 ---------------
>
> From: Lee Perham <leep at mac.com>
> Subject: Dead rev stack
> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 10:46:49 -0800
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>
> I had a similar problem. Your sub-stack is inheriting attributes from 
> your
> main stack. Check your openStack and openCard handlers. Make sure you 
> define
> which stack you want the attributes to apply.
>
> Lee Perham
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Cuccio" <jcuccio at pacbell.net>
> To: <use-revolution at www.runrev.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 1:50 PM
> Subject: Dead rev stack
>
>
>> This week has been a rev night mare.
>>
>> I have a stack with a substack. When I open the substack I get the 
>> unknown
>> error messagge.I go to the stack prperties, window open fine. Now press
> the
>> script tab, the square window show , that has the acutal error, but 
>> then
>> goes away so I can not see what the error is. Then a messagge commes 
>> up,
>> witth the stop hand, An unknown error occured. It is possible that a
>> property cannot be set to a value you have enteredl. I press the OK
> button.
>> Same message again I press OK. Then the Stack Properties window is
> showing.
>> So I go to click the script tab again same thing. It just keep 
>> repeating
> and
>> I can not get any Thing to open.
>>
>> If I do not open the substack every things works fine. The Sub stack is
>> doing something, but I can not fix it.
>>
>>
>> Is there a way to get the scripts out of that stack so that I can load
> them
>> into a new stack. So I can figure out what is going on.
>>
>> This stack was writen in rev 1.0 Same problem in rev 1.1 and different 
>> Mac
>> OS
>>
>
>
>
> --------------- MESSAGE use-revolution.v001.n142.5 ---------------
>
> From: Retiarius <lists at retiariusenterprises.com>
> Subject: Screen Fade in Rev?
> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 14:03:16 -0700
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>
> I need the screen to do a nice fade to black.
>
> Is that possible in Rev?
>
> Thanks.
>
> -Dave
>
>
>
> --------------- MESSAGE use-revolution.v001.n142.6 ---------------
>
> From: JacksHyperInfo at aol.com
> Subject: Compatibility Question
> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 16:03:49 EST
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>
> Are stacks that were created on 1.O compatible with 1.1?   What are the 
> best
> ways to get training on Revolution.  Are there any training seminars or
> videos,etc forthcoming?
>
> jack B
>
>
> --------------- MESSAGE use-revolution.v001.n142.7 ---------------
>
> From: "Jeanne A. E. DeVoto" <jeanne at runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Button colors
> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 12:55:24 -0800
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> In-Reply-To: <200111241313.IAA01596 at www.runrev.com>
>
> At 5:08 AM -0800 11/24/2001, Neil Phillips wrote:
>> I can't seem to get the colors to work properly for buttons in 
>> Revolution
>> 1.1. The colors work properly in version 1.0. In 1.1 I can set the
>> foreground color ok but the other colors cannot be set by the Colors 
>> and
>> Patterns palette or by a script. I've tried it out on a blue and white 
>> G3
>> running System 9.04 and a G4 Cube running System 9.1. Both machines 
>> have
>> plenty of ram.
>>
>> Field colors can be set ok.
>>
>> Is this a bug or am I missing something?
>
> What's going on is that with the new Appearance Manager support, 
> standard
> buttons are now drawn using the Mac OS appearance routines. Those 
> routines
> control the button appearance, so the only thing a script can control in
> them is the text color.
>
> You can do one of the following:
>
> - Change the lookAndFeel to "Macintosh" instead of "Appearance Manager" 
> (or
> choose from the Look and Feel submenu in the View menu).
>
> - Set the button's style to rectangle or roundRect intead of standard.
>
> Doing either or both of these will cause the button to be drawn by
> Revolution instead of by the operating system routines, allowing you to
> color it.
>
> --
> Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
> http://www.runrev.com/
> Runtime Revolution Limited - Power to the Developer!
>
>
>
>
> --------------- MESSAGE use-revolution.v001.n142.8 ---------------
>
> From: "Jeanne A. E. DeVoto" <jeanne at runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Requests
> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 12:32:34 -0800
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> References: <200111221145.GAA31800 at www.runrev.com>
>  <200111221145.GAA31800 at www.runrev.com>
> In-Reply-To: <200111231825.NAA24569 at www.runrev.com>
>
> At 10:24 AM -0800 11/23/2001, Shari wrote:
>> Transcript Dictionary, under "intersect".  It describes intersect as
>> it applies to arrays, but not to objects intersecting each other.
>
> I think you're looking at the intersect command. The intersect function 
> is
> what describes whether objects overlap. They should be right next to 
> each
> other in the Dictionary listing, and in the dictionary itself.
>
>>> There's an option to turn on automatic colorization in the 
>>> Preferences (in
>>> the Script Editor pane).
>>
>> If you paste the script in, you must manually colorize it.
>
> Aha, I see. I'll put in a feature request.
>
> --
> Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
> http://www.runrev.com/
> Runtime Revolution Limited - Power to the Developer!
>
>
>
>
> --------------- MESSAGE use-revolution.v001.n142.9 ---------------
>
> From: "Jeanne A. E. DeVoto" <jeanne at runrev.com>
> Subject: Re: Dead rev stack
> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 12:59:44 -0800
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> In-Reply-To: <200111231952.OAA25428 at www.runrev.com>
>
> At 11:50 AM -0800 11/23/2001, John Cuccio wrote:
>> I have a stack with a substack. When I open the substack I get the 
>> unknow
>> error messagge.I go to the stack prperties, window open fine. Now 
>> press the
>> script tab, the square window show , that has the acutal error, but 
>> then
>> goes away so I can not see what the error is. Then a messagge commes 
>> up,
>> witth the stop hand, An unknown error occured. It is possible that a
>> property cannot be set to a value you have enteredl. I press the OK 
>> button.
>> Same message again I press OK. Then the Stack Properties window is 
>> showing.
>> So I go to click the script tab again same thing. It just keep 
>> repeating and
>> I can not get any Thing to open.
>
> The first thing I would try here is temporarily turning on Suppress 
> Errors
> and Suppress Messages in the Development menu. Then open the substack. 
> If
> it opens OK under those circumstances, open its script, and find and
> comment out for the moment any openCard, preOpenCard, openStack,
> preOpenStack, or openBackground handler. Then close it, turn off the
> Suppress options, and open it again.
>
> If it works, you now at least have the error narrowed down to something 
> in
> one of those handlers. You can remove the comments, line by line, and go
> through each bit of the suspect handlers to figure out where the problem
> might be.
>
> --
> Jeanne A. E. DeVoto ~ jeanne at runrev.com
> http://www.runrev.com/
> Runtime Revolution Limited - Power to the Developer!
>
>
>
>
> --------------- MESSAGE use-revolution.v001.n142.10 ---------------
>
> From: "Marian Petrides, M.D." <mpetrides at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: Compatibility Question
> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 16:10:52 -0600
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; 
> x-mac-creator="4D4F5353"
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>
> Jack.
>
> Rev 1.0 files can be opened in 1.1 and function essentially the same
> with a few minor exceptions.
>
> Transcript is essentially a superset of HyperTalk, so a good way to get
> started with Rev (after you've read through the dox that come with Rev)
> is to buy a book about HyperCard if you can find one.  I particularly
> like Danny Goodman's books.
>
> Can't answer the last question.
>
> Marian
> On Saturday, November 24, 2001, at 03:03 PM, JacksHyperInfo at aol.com
> wrote:
>
> Are stacks that were created on 1.O compatible with 1.1?   What are the
> best
> ways to get training on Revolution.  Are there any training seminars or
> videos,etc forthcoming?
>
> jack B
>
>
> Marian Petrides, M.D.
>
> mpetrides at earthlink.net
> mpetrides at pathology.umsmed.edu
>
>
>
> --------------- MESSAGE use-revolution.v001.n142.11 ---------------
>
> From: Ian Bridges <inperson at pnc.com.au>
> Subject: Re post - Masking graphics
> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 11:49:09 +1100
> MIME-Version: 1.0
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>
> I posted this a while ago with (surprisingly) no response...
>
>> is there a way to clip a picture to a region eg a polygon,
>> without assembling an array of masking graphics?
>
> I would like to be able to change the shape of the mask/clip region and 
> the
> region of the underlying picture that is displayed with script control
>
> any ideas?
>
> Ian B
>
>
>
> --------------- MESSAGE use-revolution.v001.n142.12 ---------------
>
> From: Scott Rossi <scott at tactilemedia.com>
> Subject: Re: Screen Fade in Rev?
> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 17:35:42 -0800
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
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> In-Reply-To: <200111242104.QAA07286 at www.runrev.com>
>
> Recently, Retiarius wrote:
>
>> I need the screen to do a nice fade to black.
>>
>> Is that possible in Rev?
>
> There were some old gamma fade externals for MacOS that allow you to 
> fade to
> black, but they were not 100% reliable and if your stack crashed while 
> the
> monitor was black, you'd have to restart.  Here's one commercial link:
>
>   http://www.royalsoftware.com/descriptions/monitorFade.html
>
> You can also try searching for gamma fade, etc.
>
> As far as Windows goes, I have no clue...
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
>
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
> Email: scott at tactilemedia.com
> Web: www.tactilemedia.com
>
>
>
> --------------- MESSAGE use-revolution.v001.n142.13 ---------------
>
> From: John Cuccio <jcuccio at pacbell.net>
> Subject: Stackfiles Property
> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 19:11:43 -0800
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>
> What i am trying to do. I have a splash stack, I think that is what it 
> is
> called, that will take the user to other stacks. If I put go to stack 
> "stack
> X" Rev does not go there because rev does not know anything about this
> stack. So I think I need the stackfiles property. I do not want to load 
> the
> stacks into memory at this time because the user may not go to that 
> stack. I
> plan on having 16 different stacks.
>
> After reading the help file about Stacksfiles Property. This is what I 
> need.
> But I do not know how to list multiple stacks. The help file only shows 
> one
> stack. If this property can only do one stack. How Can I tell rev about
> multiple stacks or give rev a filepath to a stack ex: go to stack
> "/hard disk/folder/X.rev".
>
>
> Thank you
>
>
>
> --------------- MESSAGE use-revolution.v001.n142.14 ---------------
>
> From: John Cuccio <jcuccio at pacbell.net>
> Subject: Re: Stackfiles Property
> Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 19:19:47 -0800
> MIME-Version: 1.0
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> In-Reply-To: <B825A2E5.718%jcuccio at pacbell.net>
>
> on 11/24/01 7:17 PM, John Cuccio at jcuccio at pacbell.net wrote:
>
>> on 11/24/01 7:11 PM, John Cuccio at jcuccio at pacbell.net wrote:
>>
>>> What i am trying to do. I have a splash stack, I think that is what 
>>> it is
>>> called, that will take the user to other stacks. If I put go to stack 
>>> "stack
>>> X" Rev does not go there because rev does not know anything about 
>>> this stack.
>>> So I think I need the stackfiles property. I do not want to load the 
>>> stacks
>>> into memory at this time because the user may not go to that stack. I 
>>> plan on
>>> having 16 different stacks.
>>>
>>> After reading the help file about Stacksfiles Property. This is what 
>>> I need.
>>> But I do not know how to list multiple stacks. The help file only 
>>> shows one
>>> stack. If this property can only do one stack. How Can I tell rev 
>>> about
>>> multiple stacks or give rev a filepath to a stack ex: go to 
>>> stack      "/hard
>>> disk/folder/X.rev".
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you
>
>  I After I posted the first email I figured it out. I have to put each 
> one
> into a line of a variable then it will do it.
>
>  Solved my own question.
>
>
>
> --------------- MESSAGE use-revolution.v001.n142.15 ---------------
>
> From: Matt Denton <matt.denton at limelight.com.au>
> Subject: Acrobat again
> Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 21:20:15 +1100
> MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v475)
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> In-Reply-To: <200111240700.CAA29923 at www.runrev.com>
>
> Hello!
>
> (had a crash, not sure if last msg got through)
>
> I'm trying to find out what version of Acrobat is installed on a Mac or
> PC.  QTime is pretty easy, but what about other apps?  Is there a way to
> find out what apps are installed and version number?
>
> Searched through the extensive list but couldn't find it.  Maybe it is
> buried somewhere...
>
> Many thanks,
>
> M at tt!
>
> PS Rev is one of those packages you just start loving more and more!
> Amazing power in Transcript...
>
>
>
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