Still here. Still prefer the MC IDE. Had to reinstall it from scratch and for a minute thought I was going to have to post a Help Me but finally figured it out and am up and running again. Thank you that we still have the choice! Shari -- Dogs and bears, sports and cars, and patriots t-shirts http://www.gityasome.com WlND0WS and MAClNT0SH shareware http://www.gypsyware.com