php

[Pierre Sahores]

On Tue, 2003-06-03 at 08:45, andu wrote:
> --On Tuesday, June 03, 2003 08:19:07 +0200 Pierre Sahores 
> <psahores at easynet.fr> wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 2003-05-31 at 18:56, andu wrote:
> >> Pierre, are you fluent in php? I just started to get serious about
> >> learning  it, do you think you could help me out with newbie questions
> >> once in a  while? Thanks.
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards, Andu Novac
> >>

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> 
> Merci Pierre for the script, something to study. The thing is (and this is 
> what I meant on the Xtalk mailing list) when I look for work and people 
> hear about something called metacard they turn their back to me and go to 
> someone who says php or asp. 
>

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> 
> Regards, Andu Novac
> 

Andu,

I had the same problems before with some clients who don't care about
the reality : they are not aware about what web services are but just
speaking about them and because they are paying them self with "empty
words", they thinks to become experts in what they are singing about...
They are just stupid guys out of the scope of the web apps reality !

Scott makes all his best as a genial xtalk designer. We, the developers,
needs to go head, against the ones (aka Apple, Oracle and others) that
killed the xtalk maket share for years because they understood that RAD
alike Hypercard or Oracle Media Objects went lots too power full to be
lets in the clients in-house developers hands...

Do you know that Microsoft Visual Interdev was first designed under
MacOS in using Supercard. Do you know that Reneault Cars Inc. is still
using an Hypercard solution as a pieces stocks documentation database.
Do you know that the first AI tool developed at the TOTAL/ELF petroleum
compagny was grounded on Hypercard + C libraries...

For me, it's no doubt that, to the end, the XTalks are going to come
back in front of the scene. The only question in suspend is to know when
: next year, in five, in teen years ? 

PHP is a great tool each time we need to build a web-aware end-user
interface dedicated to connect over TCP/IP SQL databases servers. In
others words, PHP is one of the bests tools available today to embed in
web pages SQL queries... no least, no more...

PHP is a small unusable toy if we need to run complexes calculations
(AI, statistics, conditional and recursive calculations, complexes
authentifications unavailable in using LDAP methods, etc...), if we
wants get the best speed in serving our replies to the web or if we
needs a power full enough RAD to build professional grade ERP solutions.

Here, the available applications servers development suite are almost
very expensive, difficult to use, very slow running in production mode 
(WebSphere, Weblogic, WebObjects, Oracle WAS,.. - J2EE based -
mainframes computers power needed) and not as power full as a great
xtalk can be.

For my own, lots of peoples i know don't like what i'm doing in a way
they can't understand... On the other hand, an happy few of clients and
bosses are asking me for products they could'nt never have or pay in
using others development ways. Theses peoples are always impressed to
get the results they asked me for some weeks before and, because that,
they are always asking me for more and more : i'm happy too and gets
enough money to go head...

Because, behind Java, Metacard is the only one development tool able to
build for any platform, the intelligent people are able to understand
that the Metacard developers are not always only comic guys ;-)

Apache+PHP+Metacard+PostgreSQL lets us do the top available apps any
client can expect to use. If, in about marketing tasks, i just say that
i'm using Apache+PHP+PostgreSQL to get the projects out, the clients can
feel they are controlling the development cycle and i know that they
will need me to update the apps, in fact, grounded on a metacard
client-server daemon.

Is'nt the developers life a complex and interesting thing ?

Best, Pierre